Bill Shorten, the lowest rating leader in Newspoll history.
That figures.
While Malcolm's down to 60. Guess he can live with that.

And STILL a better option as PM than ANYONE the Lib/Nats have.

All these polls show is how ignorant the average voter is.

That's for his party to decide. I guess they have written off the next election anyway and look at Bill as a good caretaker.

the price you pay for beta male antics

While Shorten is clearly unpopular, a 1% shift is within the margin of error, so it's not a reasonable indicator anything has changed.

aquascoot wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 6:38am:

the price you pay for beta male antics

Rubbish!

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 6:17am:

Bill Shorten, the lowest rating leader in Newspoll history. That figures. While Malcolm's down to 60. Guess he can live with that.

Link or you're lying.

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 6:17am:

Malcolm's down to 60. Guess he can live with that.

What you're omitting is that Turnbull has had a significant 16-point reduction in his net satisfaction rating in the space of two weeks. The gloss is wearing off.

This is the best news I have read for some time.

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 6:17am:

Bill Shorten, the lowest rating leader in Newspoll history.

Isn't he now level with where turncoat was ? :D :D :D

Bam wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 7:55am:

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 6:17am: Malcolm's down to 60. Guess he can live with that. What you're omitting is that Turnbull has had a significant 16-point reduction in his net satisfaction rating in the space of two weeks. The gloss is wearing off.

a drop from 65% to 60% is 16 points reduction?

Maqqa wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 8:02am:

Bam wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 7:55am: bogarde73 wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 6:17am: Malcolm's down to 60. Guess he can live with that. What you're omitting is that Turnbull has had a significant 16-point reduction in his net satisfaction rating in the space of two weeks. The gloss is wearing off. a drop from 65% to 60% is 16 points reduction?

Net satisfaction rating

John Smith wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 8:01am:

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 6:17am: Bill Shorten, the lowest rating leader in Newspoll history. Isn't he now level with where turncoat was ? :D :D :D

Yes, he is at the same level Turnbull was.


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Lowest "Better Prime Minister" score Brendan Nelson holds the record with 7% (29 February-2 March 2008). Simon Crean (28–30 November 2003), Malcolm Turnbull (27-29 November 2009) and Bill Shorten (4-6 December 2015) recorded the equal-second lowest career low, with 14% .

Kytro wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 7:35am:

While Shorten is clearly unpopular, a 1% shift is within the margin of error, so it's not a reasonable indicator anything has changed.

Yes that's true. He could still be on a rating of almost universally detested instead of sinking to universally detested.

Correction:
1 when I mentioned 60% for Malcolm I might have confused it with his GoldmanSachs commission.

2 lowest leader figure should have been lowest in News poll history - Australian

Kat wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 6:27am:

And STILL a better option as PM than ANYONE the Lib/Nats have. All these polls show is how ignorant the average voter is.

You truly are delusional. You think you know better than 60% of voters? All your comments show is how ignorant and biased you are.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 9:11am:

Kat wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 6:27am: And STILL a better option as PM than ANYONE the Lib/Nats have. All these polls show is how ignorant the average voter is. You truly are delusional. You think you know better than 60% of voters? All your comments show is how ignorant and biased you are.

that proves absolutely nothing ... the majority of people voted in Abbott, and look what an absolute disaster he turned out to be. ;D ;D ;D

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 8:42am:

Correction: 1 when I mentioned 60% for Malcolm I might have confused it with his GoldmanSachs commission. 2 lowest leader figure should have been lowest in News poll history - Australian

Still wrong though, as Newspoll had Brandon Nelson at 9% while leader of the opposition.

Kytro wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 9:32am:

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 8:42am: Correction: 1 when I mentioned 60% for Malcolm I might have confused it with his GoldmanSachs commission. 2 lowest leader figure should have been lowest in News poll history - Australian Still wrong though, as Newspoll had Braendon Nelson at 97% while leader of the opposition.

Fixed it for you.

John Smith wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 9:14am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 9:11am: Kat wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 6:27am: And STILL a better option as PM than ANYONE the Lib/Nats have. All these polls show is how ignorant the average voter is. You truly are delusional. You think you know better than 60% of voters? All your comments show is how ignorant and biased you are. that proves absolutely nothing ... the majority of people voted in Abbott, and look what an absolute disaster he turned out to be. ;D ;D ;D

The same can be said of Rudd. He won convincingly and turned out to be the least successful and most tyrannical PM this country ever had. He also cried like a baby in Parliament.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 9:44am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 9:14am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 9:11am: Kat wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 6:27am: And STILL a better option as PM than ANYONE the Lib/Nats have. All these polls show is how ignorant the average voter is. You truly are delusional. You think you know better than 60% of voters? All your comments show is how ignorant and biased you are. that proves absolutely nothing ... the majority of people voted in Abbott, and look what an absolute disaster he turned out to be. ;D ;D ;D The same can be said of Rudd. He won convincingly and turned out to be the least successful and most tyrannical PM this country ever had. He also cried like a baby in Parliament.

I suppose it all depends on your definition of success. I don't think we have had a decent PM for some time. Only time will tell in regards to Malcolm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 9:11am:

Kat wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 6:27am: And STILL a better option as PM than ANYONE the Lib/Nats have. All these polls show is how ignorant the average voter is. You truly are delusional. You think you know better than 60% of voters? All your comments show is how ignorant and biased you are.

No.

I KNOW I do.

Answer please: has there ever been a Labor leader as unpopular as 14%?

But me no buts and if me no ifs, a Labor leader worse than 14%?

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 1:08pm:

Answer please: has there ever been a Labor leader as unpopular as 14%? But me no buts and if me no ifs, a Labor leader worse than 14%?

No. There has been two Liberals at or below this though.

Shorten is very unpopular. Mostly owing to the fact he appears incompetent

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 1:08pm:

Answer please: has there ever been a Labor leader as unpopular as 14%? But me no buts and if me no ifs, a Labor leader worse than 14%?

As I keep saying, Turnbull is basking in not being Tony Abbott. Thats pretty much the sum of his appeal at the moment - you really can't point at any actual leadership or policy achievements to explain his popularity. And while people are still giddy about the guy who isn't Tony Abbott, of course Shorten's appeal will suffer in comparison.

What we need to look at though is what happens when the honeymoon ends - and it is beginning to end now. How will he navigate policy directions in a party that he is basically committed to upholding the stinking carcass of Abbott's legacy? Now that will be interesting to see.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 1:43pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 1:08pm: Answer please: has there ever been a Labor leader as unpopular as 14%? But me no buts and if me no ifs, a Labor leader worse than 14%? As I keep saying, Turnbull is basking in not being Tony Abbott. Thats pretty much the sum of his appeal at the moment - you really can't point at any actual leadership or policy achievements to explain his popularity. And while people are still giddy about the guy who isn't Tony Abbott, of course Shorten's appeal will suffer in comparison. What we need to look at though is what happens when the honeymoon ends - and it is beginning to end now. How will he navigate policy directions in a party that he is basically committed to upholding the stinking carcass of Abbott's legacy? Now that will be interesting to see.

Grab the popcorn , its going to be a bumpy ride.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 9:44am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 9:14am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 9:11am: Kat wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 6:27am: And STILL a better option as PM than ANYONE the Lib/Nats have. All these polls show is how ignorant the average voter is. You truly are delusional. You think you know better than 60% of voters? All your comments show is how ignorant and biased you are. that proves absolutely nothing ... the majority of people voted in Abbott, and look what an absolute disaster he turned out to be. ;D ;D ;D The same can be said of Rudd. He won convincingly and turned out to be the least successful and most tyrannical PM this country ever had. He also cried like a baby in Parliament.

Rubbish ... Abbott couldn't even pass a single budget.

Why don't we wait and see if Abbott will take the leadership again :D :D

John Smith wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 1:53pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 9:44am: John Smith wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 9:14am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 9:11am: Kat wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 6:27am: And STILL a better option as PM than ANYONE the Lib/Nats have. All these polls show is how ignorant the average voter is. You truly are delusional. You think you know better than 60% of voters? All your comments show is how ignorant and biased you are. that proves absolutely nothing ... the majority of people voted in Abbott, and look what an absolute disaster he turned out to be. ;D ;D ;D The same can be said of Rudd. He won convincingly and turned out to be the least successful and most tyrannical PM this country ever had. He also cried like a baby in Parliament. Rubbish ... Abbott couldn't even pass a single budget. Why don't we wait and see if Abbott will take the leadership again :D :D

I will LMAO if he sticks around and goes on to win seat of Warringah , we know he will spend his entire time seeking revenge because if there is one thing we all know about abort is its what a vindictice carnt he is.

Democracy sucks, eh leftards? If only the ruling government was decided by the ABC/Faux facts.

double plus good wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 2:17pm:

Democracy sucks, eh leftards? If only the ruling government was decided by the ABC/Faux facts.

While democracy and the current system especially could be updated to be more representative, it sucks less than the alternatives.

I will freely admit I am relieved Abbott is no longer in charge, scared the hell out of me.

Its time wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 2:12pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 1:53pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 9:44am: John Smith wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 9:14am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 9:11am: Kat wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 6:27am: And STILL a better option as PM than ANYONE the Lib/Nats have. All these polls show is how ignorant the average voter is. You truly are delusional. You think you know better than 60% of voters? All your comments show is how ignorant and biased you are. that proves absolutely nothing ... the majority of people voted in Abbott, and look what an absolute disaster he turned out to be. ;D ;D ;D The same can be said of Rudd. He won convincingly and turned out to be the least successful and most tyrannical PM this country ever had. He also cried like a baby in Parliament. Rubbish ... Abbott couldn't even pass a single budget. Why don't we wait and see if Abbott will take the leadership again :D :D I will LMAO if he sticks around and goes on to win seat of Warringah , we know he will spend his entire time seeking revenge because if there is one thing we all know about abort is its what a vindictice carnt he is.

And wasn't it hilarious listening to Joe Hockey today saying if he stayed it would only be to plot revenge against those who overthrew him.... and straight away everyone looked at Abbott  ;D

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 2:24pm:

Its time wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 2:12pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 1:53pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 9:44am: John Smith wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 9:14am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 9:11am: Kat wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 6:27am: And STILL a better option as PM than ANYONE the Lib/Nats have. All these polls show is how ignorant the average voter is. You truly are delusional. You think you know better than 60% of voters? All your comments show is how ignorant and biased you are. that proves absolutely nothing ... the majority of people voted in Abbott, and look what an absolute disaster he turned out to be. ;D ;D ;D The same can be said of Rudd. He won convincingly and turned out to be the least successful and most tyrannical PM this country ever had. He also cried like a baby in Parliament. Rubbish ... Abbott couldn't even pass a single budget. Why don't we wait and see if Abbott will take the leadership again :D :D I will LMAO if he sticks around and goes on to win seat of Warringah , we know he will spend his entire time seeking revenge because if there is one thing we all know about abort is its what a vindictice carnt he is. And wasn't it hilarious listening to Joe Hockey today saying if he stayed it would only be to plot revenge against those who overthrew him.... and straight away everyone looked at Abbott  ;D

Bitter in defeat bitter in victory .

Bam wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 7:55am:

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 6:17am: Malcolm's down to 60. Guess he can live with that. What you're omitting is that Turnbull has had a significant 16-point reduction in his net satisfaction rating in the space of two weeks. The gloss is wearing off.

why are you concerned with MALCs figures..

shouldnt you be worried about you know who???..

or am I miss reading the op..

when will lefties on here start worrying do you think??..
when Mr 14% comes in at Mr 9%....

maybe not even then.. ;D ;D ;D ;D

got to laugh as they seem more "concerned" with Malcs figures....

the same people  who they fell about laughing when he was Mr 17%...

remember those halcyon days... :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

Its time wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 2:38pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 2:24pm: Its time wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 2:12pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 1:53pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 9:44am: John Smith wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 9:14am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 9:11am: [quote author=Max_T link=1449519457/1#1 date=1449520057]And STILL a better option as PM than ANYONE the Lib/Nats have. All these polls show is how ignorant the average voter is. You truly are delusional. You think you know better than 60% of voters? All your comments show is how ignorant and biased you are. that proves absolutely nothing ... the majority of people voted in Abbott, and look what an absolute disaster he turned out to be. ;D ;D ;D The same can be said of Rudd. He won convincingly and turned out to be the least successful and most tyrannical PM this country ever had. He also cried like a baby in Parliament. Rubbish ... Abbott couldn't even pass a single budget. Why don't we wait and see if Abbott will take the leadership again :D :D I will LMAO if he sticks around and goes on to win seat of Warringah , we know he will spend his entire time seeking revenge because if there is one thing we all know about abort is its what a vindictice carnt he is. And wasn't it hilarious listening to Joe Hockey today saying if he stayed it would only be to plot revenge against those who overthrew him.... and straight away everyone looked at Abbott  ;D

hardly.  WASHINGTON..here he comes.

hey lefties..

this is about MR 14%..


I know well how you hate anyone changing the topic..

so tell us folks..

how does it feel to have a leader on 14%...


dont lets quibble...... is it ok with you guys??..


you dont seem to mention it...just wondering..

so far its been Malc Joe Tony.,..rudd... even dear old Democracy......anything but ....................

the man himself..

cods wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 2:56pm:

Bam wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 7:55am: bogarde73 wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 6:17am: Malcolm's down to 60. Guess he can live with that. What you're omitting is that Turnbull has had a significant 16-point reduction in his net satisfaction rating in the space of two weeks. The gloss is wearing off. why are you concerned with MALCs figures.. shouldnt you be worried about you know who???..

I'm simply providing balance to the discussion, cods. The kind of balance that is lacking when boge craps on about "labor" leaders when he knows full well that the Liberals have had two leaders with far worse figures.


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or am I miss reading the op.. when will lefties on here start worrying do you think??.. when Mr 14% comes in at Mr 9%.... maybe not even then.. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Yawn. 9% would still be better than the PPM ratings Nelson had against Rudd.


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got to laugh as they seem more "concerned" with Malcs figures.... the same people  who they fell about laughing when he was Mr 17%... remember those halcyon days... :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

Turnbull had 14% as his lowest PPM figures ... against Rudd.

Turnbull will be the Liberals' equivalent to Rudd. Initially popular, but when put under pressure his weakness will be exposed, people will see through him, he will start to look like a fool, and down his ratings will go. And he will decline, do you forget that he has done so once already?

He has had an easy ride from the media. EEEEEEASY. That ended last night on 7.30 when Sales asked him some difficult questions for the first time as PM, he was barely coherent when trying to fumble for a response. Your hero got OWNED. And it won't be the last time. The Ashby-Brough affair still has a while to run.

Yeah, we  should overhaul our demcratic system to allow a minority of pseudo - intellectual  Stalinists run the show.

double plus good wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 3:30pm:

Yeah, we  should overhaul our demcratic system to allow a minority of pseudo - intellectual  Stalinists run the show.

Is that how you see giving everyone representation. Letting them run the show?

It always amazes me how easily democracy is discarded when it inconveniences the argument   

Kytro wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 4:31pm:

double plus good wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 3:30pm: Yeah, we  should overhaul our demcratic system to allow a minority of pseudo - intellectual  Stalinists run the show. Is that how you see giving everyone representation. Letting them run the show? It always amazes me how easily democracy is discarded when it inconveniences the argument

Like when the senate opposes shite lib policy  ;D

cods wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 2:57pm:

Its time wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 2:38pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 2:24pm: Its time wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 2:12pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 1:53pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 9:44am: John Smith wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 9:14am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 9:11am: [quote author=Max_T link=1449519457/1#1 date=1449520057]And STILL a better option as PM than ANYONE the Lib/Nats have. All these polls show is how ignorant the average voter is. You truly are delusional. You think you know better than 60% of voters? All your comments show is how ignorant and biased you are. that proves absolutely nothing ... the majority of people voted in Abbott, and look what an absolute disaster he turned out to be. ;D ;D ;D The same can be said of Rudd. He won convincingly and turned out to be the least successful and most tyrannical PM this country ever had. He also cried like a baby in Parliament. Rubbish ... Abbott couldn't even pass a single budget. Why don't we wait and see if Abbott will take the leadership again :D :D I will LMAO if he sticks around and goes on to win seat of Warringah , we know he will spend his entire time seeking revenge because if there is one thing we all know about abort is its what a vindictice carnt he is. And wasn't it hilarious listening to Joe Hockey today saying if he stayed it would only be to plot revenge against those who overthrew him.... and straight away everyone looked at Abbott  ;D hardly.  WASHINGTON..here he comes.

Spokesman for the far right wing of the NRA or the KKK  ::)

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 9:11am:

Kat wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 6:27am: And STILL a better option as PM than ANYONE the Lib/Nats have. All these polls show is how ignorant the average voter is. You truly are delusional. You think you know better than 60% of voters? All your comments show is how ignorant and biased you are.

Roger That,,

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 9:44am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 9:14am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 9:11am: Kat wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 6:27am: And STILL a better option as PM than ANYONE the Lib/Nats have. All these polls show is how ignorant the average voter is. You truly are delusional. You think you know better than 60% of voters? All your comments show is how ignorant and biased you are. that proves absolutely nothing ... the majority of people voted in Abbott, and look what an absolute disaster he turned out to be. ;D ;D ;D The same can be said of Rudd. He won convincingly and turned out to be the least successful and most tyrannical PM this country ever had. He also cried like a baby in Parliament.

he also couldn't do one chin up..

Hilarious,,

cods wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 3:01pm:

hey lefties.. this is about MR 14%.. I know well how you hate anyone changing the topic.. so tell us folks.. how does it feel to have a leader on 14%... dont lets quibble...... is it ok with you guys??.. you dont seem to mention it...just wondering.. so far its been Malc Joe Tony.,..rudd... even dear old Democracy......anything but .................... the man himself..

I wouldn't consider the ALP "left", nor would I vote for any or the major parties, so I don't much care about how shorten is doing. He is obviously incapable of doing his current job well.

double plus good wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 2:17pm:

Democracy sucks, eh leftards? If only the ruling government was decided by the ABC/Faux facts.

..or mining companies  :o :o