TONY Abbott has called for a religious revolution within Islam as he urges Australians to stop apologising for their Western values and culture.

Writing exclusively for The Daily Telegraph today — a week before the anniversary of the Sydney Lindt Cafe siege — the former prime ­minister warns of a “clash of civilisations” unless Islam ­undergoes a global reform.

In an article likely to invite controversy, Mr Abbott says Australia and the West can no longer live in denial about the “problem within Islam”, and that while most Muslims rejected terrorism, some were “all too ready to justify ‘death to the infidel’.”

“Islam needs to delegitimise the urge to ‘behead all those who insult the Prophet’ but only Muslims can do this,” Mr Abbott writes.

“Demonising Islam generally or all Muslims could bring on the ‘clash of civilisations’ that academic Samuel Huntington feared two decades back and make ‘Islam’s bloody borders’ even more dangerous.

“But we can’t remain in ­denial about the massive problem within Islam.

“Islam has never had its own version of the Reformation and the Enlightenment or a consequent acceptance of pluralism and the separation of church and state.”

Mr Abbott’s comments will be seen as reinforcing a growing number of Coalition MPs who have broken ranks with Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull and called on Muslim leaders to do more to counter violent extremism.

“Everyone interested in a safer world should reach out to ‘live and let live’ Muslims and encourage them to ­reclaim their faith from the zealots,” Mr Abbott writes.

“In Australia, that means talking to decent people who happen to be Muslim as well as to ‘official’ Muslims inclined to see ‘Islamophobia’ in any criticism.

“Surveys of British and French Muslims typically show up to 30 per cent sympathising with the aims if not the methods of Islamic State.

“Fortunately, there are numerous Muslim leaders who think their faith needs to modernise from the kill-or-be-killed milieu of the Prophet Mohammed.”

Praising US President Barack Obama for stepping up the military campaign against IS, Mr Abbott says it won’t be enough on its own.

“There also needs to be a concerted ‘hearts and minds’ campaign against the versions of Islam that make excuses for terrorists,” he writes.

Mr Abbott also warns of a cultural cringe preventing an honest debate about the issue and calls on Australians to proclaim the secular values on which the nation was built.

“It’s also time Australians stopped being apologetic about the values that have made our country as free, fair and prosperous as any on Earth,” Mr Abbott writes.

“It’s not culturally insensitive to demand loyalty to Australia ... we should be ready to proclaim the clear superiority of our culture to one that justifies killing people in the name of God.”

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/tony-abbott-says-islam-must-change-and-we-shouldnt-apologise-for-our-western-values/story-fni0cx12-1227638451535

Absolutely spot-on, Tony!

This is the real leader that australia needs..

Too bad he was back stabbed by treacherous no gooders >:(

He has just reaffirmed his limited scope.

More waffle that would only serve to make things worse, the type of comment that ISIS would love to see.

The best way to push more recruits to ISIS and make it more dangerous in Australia.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 5:44am:

He has just reaffirmed his limited scope. More waffle that would only serve to make things worse.

How would it make things worse? Islam desperately needs to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century. ISIS won't be defeated by military means alone. We need to make sure Muslims don't take up the radical branch of Islam that is causing so much death and destruction. We also need to stop top-toeing around Muslims with regard to our culture. They came here to live because of our culture. If we start hiding it for fear of offending others, then our society will turn to sh!t very quickly and unravel.

BlueBeard wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 5:41am:

This is the real leader that australia needs.. Too bad he was back stabbed by treacherous no gooders >:(

Too bad he didn't take over from Howard instead of Rudd taking over. Abbott was handed an impossible task of cleaning up the worst mess left behind by any government in history. Record debt, record deficit, high unemployment. Labor leaves nothing but carnage as its legacy every single time. Had he taken over from a competent government like Howards', he could've implemented the agenda he campaigned on and I think we'd have seen Tony re-elected with an even bigger majority.

I don't think an idiot who says he doesn't believe in gay marriage because of his religion, and who put together a policy specifically about religion (chaplaincy program) can talk about separation of church and state.

It's a shame that religious nut jobs like idiot Tony continuously muddy the debate.  Let us agnostics take care of this, and let the loony Christian worshippers stay awfully silent in the corner.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 5:44am:

He has just reaffirmed his limited scope. More waffle that would only serve to make things worse, the type of comment that ISIS would love to see. The best way to push more recruits to ISIS and make it more dangerous in Australia.

He is quite correct in many areas.  The Muslim world hasn't undergone enlightenment, and it's quite clear from the many religious states that value systems aren't shared.  Even indonesia, who is constantly used as an example of progressive Muslim country, went nuts over the death penalty.  That isn't politics - that's a society that has stemmed largely from a religious Muslim upbringing.

So, unfortunately, idiot has a point. And by unfortunately what I mean is it's a shame his hipocrisy has some merit.  I'd prefer we got rid of all religion, but while we can't because the loonies would cry too much, at the very least we need to have a conversation on how we can possibly assimilate people who do come from quite a vastly different view of the world. 

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 6:04am:

I don't think an idiot who says he doesn't believe in gay marriage because of his religion, and who put together a policy specifically about religion (chaplaincy program) can talk about separation of church and state. It's a shame that religious nut jobs like idiot Tony continuously muddy the debate.  Let us agnostics take care of this, and let the loony Christian worshippers stay awfully silent in the corner.

More to the point, let them fix their own mess first. There is still ongoing fall out from decades of covered up child abuse on an horrendous scale - yet the stallwarts and protectors of the faith the abusers keep desperately pointing the finger outwards. Hardly apt judges of behaviour, character or morals...

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 6:12am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 6:04am: I don't think an idiot who says he doesn't believe in gay marriage because of his religion, and who put together a policy specifically about religion (chaplaincy program) can talk about separation of church and state. It's a shame that religious nut jobs like idiot Tony continuously muddy the debate.  Let us agnostics take care of this, and let the loony Christian worshippers stay awfully silent in the corner. More to the point, let them fix their own mess first. There is still ongoing fall out from decades of covered up child abuse on an horrendous scale - yet the stallwarts and protectors of the faith the abusers keep desperately pointing the finger outwards. Hardly apt judges of behaviour, character or morals...

I'd be interested on someone doing a proper study on this.

Ask Christians, 1st generation Muslims and 2nd generation Muslims the same values and tolerance questions. And let's do a test that can put to rest the question of how well people can assimilate based on their religious beliefs.

It's not a study by any stretch of the imagination, BUT, it gives some insight into that very question.....

http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/bible-quran-disguise-dutch-pranksters-youtube-1.3354446

At last he's come out of the closet on the national self-harm that immigrating Muslims means to Western nations - but all too late, of course, because he's no longer prime minister.

What the West needs are no-nonsense, no-political correctness prime ministers and presidents who while in office start openly dealing with the Islamic Menace that has arrived through decades of irresponsible and ignorant Muslim immigration programs.

Donald Trump is calling for an end to political correctness with regard to pretending not to notice the elephant-in-the-room.

Tony Abbott is now preaching to an international audience about the threat that Islam via Muslim immigration now poses for Western civilisation.

And the fact the Lefties are squealing like stuck pigs about this is proof positive that Trump and Abbott are on the right track.

link

I would have thought that as he is now writing for the 'tele', he and Marge and the Kids could afford a brand, spanking NEW fridge rather than buying secondhand on Gumtree.    As for his article, he has made another "Captains Call" on the race and religion of the day.  As a devout Christian, surely Abbott should concentrate on the problems within Christianity instead.

Vic wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 6:41am:

I would have thought that as he is now writing for the 'tele', he and Marge and the Kids could afford a brand, spanking NEW fridge rather than buying secondhand on Gumtree.    As for his article, he has made another "Captains Call" on the race and religion of the day.  As a devout Christian, surely Abbott should concentrate on the problems within Christianity instead.

He isn't paid for his articles numbnuts.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 6:44am:

Vic wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 6:41am: I would have thought that as he is now writing for the 'tele', he and Marge and the Kids could afford a brand, spanking NEW fridge rather than buying secondhand on Gumtree.    As for his article, he has made another "Captains Call" on the race and religion of the day.  As a devout Christian, surely Abbott should concentrate on the problems within Christianity instead. He isn't paid for his articles numbnuts.

So start another poll Zoob

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 6:44am:

Vic wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 6:41am: I would have thought that as he is now writing for the 'tele', he and Marge and the Kids could afford a brand, spanking NEW fridge rather than buying secondhand on Gumtree.    As for his article, he has made another "Captains Call" on the race and religion of the day.  As a devout Christian, surely Abbott should concentrate on the problems within Christianity instead. He isn't paid for his articles numbnuts.

There is a gawd.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 6:44am:

Vic wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 6:41am: I would have thought that as he is now writing for the 'tele', he and Marge and the Kids could afford a brand, spanking NEW fridge rather than buying secondhand on Gumtree.    As for his article, he has made another "Captains Call" on the race and religion of the day.  As a devout Christian, surely Abbott should concentrate on the problems within Christianity instead. He isn't paid for his articles numbnuts.

Yes, it shows.

Polls R Us....

:D :D :D

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 5:51am:

BlueBeard wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 5:41am: This is the real leader that australia needs.. Too bad he was back stabbed by treacherous no gooders >:( Too bad he didn't take over from Howard instead of Rudd taking over. Abbott was handed an impossible task of cleaning up the worst mess left behind by any government in history. Record debt, record deficit, high unemployment. Labor leaves nothing but carnage as its legacy every single time. Had he taken over from a competent government like Howards', he could've implemented the agenda he campaigned on and I think we'd have seen Tony re-elected with an even bigger majority.

A competent govt like Howard. Pfft! Geez, lucky to be PM at the time of a boom but wasted all the boom time revenue and built huge levels of useless spending into the Budget and future Budgets.

Abbott was useless as Cabinet Minister, could not write and argue cabinet submissions. Howard kept him on as counterweight to Costello I think.

He was useless as PM as we saw, had to be deposed.

What abbott & now Turncoat is doing will leave a gigantic mess for Labor to clean up after the next election.

His poll numbers spoke loudly what the majority of Australians felt about his leadership

We as a nation we're seduced by the political correctness of gay marriage and said we will judge our leader on his gay marriage views

Maqqa wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 9:25am:

His poll numbers spoke loudly what the majority of Australians felt about his leadership We as a nation we're seduced by the political correctness of gay marriage and said we will judge our leader on his gay marriage views

You mean his views based on religion?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 9:29am:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 9:25am: His poll numbers spoke loudly what the majority of Australians felt about his leadership We as a nation we're seduced by the political correctness of gay marriage and said we will judge our leader on his gay marriage views You mean his views based on religion?

Ou views are based upon to various teachings throughout our lives either formally, informally and religious

The left seems to be sensitive and respectful to Islamic teaching but when it comes to Christianity the left condemns

You fight for people flopping their breasts out in parliament but want to attack others defending their own beliefs

Maqqa wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 9:35am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 9:29am: Maqqa wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 9:25am: His poll numbers spoke loudly what the majority of Australians felt about his leadership We as a nation we're seduced by the political correctness of gay marriage and said we will judge our leader on his gay marriage views You mean his views based on religion? Ou views are based upon to various teachings throughout our lives either formally, informally and religious The left seems to be sensitive and respectful to Islamic teaching but when it comes to Christianity the left condemns You fight for people flopping their breasts out in parliament but want to attack others defending their own beliefs

Seperation of church and state.  Politics has nothing to do with personal beliefs based on religious views.  Looks like you havent gone through enlightenment, droopy.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 9:43am:

Seperation of church and state.  Politics has nothing to do with personal beliefs based on religious views.  Looks like you havent gone through enlightenment, droopy.

Sure the church does not control the government but those in government have their believes based on religion

Our laws and government systems have their basis built upon Judeo-Christian values

Quote:

................“It’s also time Australians stopped being apologetic about the values that have made our country as free, fair and prosperous as any on Earth,” Mr Abbott writes. “It’s not culturally insensitive to demand loyalty to Australia ... we should be ready to proclaim the clear superiority of our culture to one that justifies killing people in the name of God.”.................

I feel good about Australia after reading that.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 10:16am:

Quote: ................“It’s also time Australians stopped being apologetic about the values that have made our country as free, fair and prosperous as any on Earth,” Mr Abbott writes. “It’s not culturally insensitive to demand loyalty to Australia ... we should be ready to proclaim the clear superiority of our culture to one that justifies killing people in the name of God.”................. I feel good about Australia after reading that.

Here's the thing the idiotic Left-wing nutjobs forget. The people who migrate to our country from all corners of the globe do so because of our way of life, our culture and our system of government and law. When the idiotic Left-wing nutjobs do things like stopping Easter or Christmas celebrations at public and private schools, for example, they are robbing those who migrated here of the opportunity to experience Australian culture, customs and beliefs. Most sane, level-headed people do not expect Muslims (for example) to adhere to Christian values and beliefs but they do expect them to respect Christian values and beliefs just as they would expect Christians to respect Muslim values and beliefs. This PC garbage is robbing Australia of its identity, of the very fabric of what made this country as great as it is and the reason for which so many people have made the decision to become Australian citizens. It is also slowly eroding one of the fundamental aspects of our society - pluralism, or accepting more than one point of view.

Maqqa wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 9:25am:

His poll numbers spoke loudly what the majority of Australians felt about his leadership We as a nation we're seduced by the political correctness of gay marriage and said we will judge our leader on his gay marriage views

Oh garbage, he was never good enough to be PM!

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 11:02am:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 9:25am: His poll numbers spoke loudly what the majority of Australians felt about his leadership We as a nation we're seduced by the political correctness of gay marriage and said we will judge our leader on his gay marriage views Oh garbage, he was never good enough to be PM!

He had a good grasp on the pulse of ordinary Australians on matters that were important to them, such as stopping the boats and national security. That's why he consistently found support in his stance on those particular issues.

The Ahmadi muslims dropped the obligation for Jihad they are cool with separation of mosque and state.

The Ahmadi are persecuted by mainstream Islam for heretical reforms they cannot even call themselves muslims in Pakistan where they originated.
persecutionofahmadis.org

The persecution of Ahmadi muslims by mainstream Islam for heretical reforms shows how reluctant muslims are to do anything about their religion.

Maqqa wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 9:25am:

His poll numbers spoke loudly what the majority of Australians felt about his leadership We as a nation we're seduced by the political correctness of gay marriage and said we will judge our leader on his gay marriage views

I remember how you celebrated when Turbbull lost the leadership the first time and the Liberals finally had a Liberal leading the party.

We as a nation we're seduced by the political correctness of gay marriage and said we will judge our leader on his gay marriage views

The odds are 1/3 that this is the silliest comment posted today ?

Tony Abbott said....

Quote:

“It’s not culturally insensitive to demand loyalty to Australia ... we should be ready to proclaim the clear superiority of our culture to one that justifies killing people in the name of God.”

What is our culture Mr Abbott....You have evoked nationalistic propaganda and the idealism of an Australian culture which by all accounts is multi cultural....You claim superiority of "our" culture by using religious rhetoric where fanatics are used to justify your ideology against Islam....Your own justification in speaking out was because Australia is a secular society....Your message could not be any more divisive!!!

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Update....

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/muslims-dont-need-western-cultural-supremacists-to-tell-them-what-islam-needs-20151208-glj0d9.html

Tony, be  a good little backbencher and be seen not heard .

This is hopelessly naive point view.

You can't purposely reform religious interpretations, they are by their very nature irrational

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 11:50am:

What is our culture Mr Abbott....You have evoked nationalistic propaganda and the idealism of an Australian culture which by all accounts is multi cultural....You claim superiority of "our" culture by using religious rhetoric where fanatics are used to justify your ideology against Islam....Your own justification in speaking out was because Australia is a secular society....Your message could not be any more divisive!!!

Our culture is
(1) Shared culture before they got here
(2) Culture where we can take the piss out of each other without blowing each other up
(3) Culture where satirical cartoons is normal
(4) Culture where we eat pork and you eat pork
(5) Culture where we show our faces in public and the ones covering up are bank robbers
(6) Culture where you assimilate rather we pander to you

In all honesty he was going ok until he pulled out that "superiority of our culture" line

Anyway, a good response from a muslim academic (podcast)

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/mehmet-ozalp/7012810

Maqqa wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 1:01pm:

Shared culture before they got here

it's still a shared culture after they came here .... I lived surrounded by muslims for many years, great people


Maqqa wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 1:01pm:

Culture where we can take the piss out of each other without blowing each other up

when was the last time a muslim blew someone up in Australia?


Maqqa wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 1:01pm:

Culture where satirical cartoons is normal

Australia has stopped using satire?


Maqqa wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 1:01pm:

Culture where we eat pork and you eat pork

you mean where you eat what you like.  :D :D


Maqqa wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 1:01pm:

Culture where we show our faces in public and the ones covering up are bank robbers

no, it's a culture where you can choose to show your face if you like. It's not compulsory.


Maqqa wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 1:01pm:

Culture where you assimilate rather we pander to you

and you do that by pandering to Islamaphobes? :D :D

You will see that I made a general observation of events around the world

If you don't think satire is allowed - google Charlie Hebdo

Abbott hits the nail on the head again!


Yes but he should stop doing it though.

http://thumb9.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/1185467/302520506/stock-vector-you-hit-the-nail-on-the-head-illustration-302520506.jpg

Maqqa wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 1:45pm:

You will see that I made a general observation of events around the world If you don't think satire is allowed - google Charlie Hebdo

ohhh and here i was thinking we were discussing Australian culture  :D :D :D

Tony wants Islam to reform itself?

He DOES realise, I suppose, his Church has not reformed itself?  ;)

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 2:15pm:

Tony wants Islam to reform itself? He DOES realise, I suppose, his Church has not reformed itself?

Yes Abbott OWNED by another women pollie

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/09/tony-abbott-you-do-know-you-belong-to-a-church-that-has-not-reformed-dont-you


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Jesus Mary and Joseph, Tony Abbott. Did you just tell Muslims that they need a theological reformation, like Christianity has had? I know it was some time ago that you were in the seminary, but surely you remember that the Reformation created Protestantism. You and I are members of the unreformed strain of Christianity, the Roman Catholic church. You and I and our 1.2 billion fellow Catholics around the world have had no reformation. We are part of a church that has steadfastly refused to embrace, in both internal structures and theological development, modern concepts like democracy or gender equality. Sure, our church no longer runs Crusades and no longer says the Jews killed Jesus. I don’t think that suffices as a definition of a modern institution. Our church condemns homosexual people as sinful – and defines them as disordered – if they act on their sexual orientation, even in mutually loving, monogamous relationships. Our church denies women the ability to use modern technology and medicine to control their fertility, even though Pope Francis told us this year that we no longer “need to breed like rabbits.” Our church tells divorced people they have failed as Christians – even if the marriage was abusive or if their spouse was cheating on them – and denies them access to the sacraments.

To be fair though, the outcome that Abbott was most harking to in relation to the reformation was the separation of church and state. I think thats what he was basically calling for when he calls for a reformation in Islam.

I have to admit that when I first saw this thread I thought the title was “Abbott hits nail with his head!”  :D

Reminds me of something a Uni friend of mine said, about how recruits are selected for the various levels of Italian gardia. Those who could hit a nail with their head AND drive it in were put straight into the lowest level.

Wonder how abbott would go?  ;D

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 2:15pm:

Tony wants Islam to reform itself? He DOES realise, I suppose, his Church has not reformed itself?  ;)

The Christians stopped whacking heretics a long time ago

I believe that the general consensus amongst the idiot left is that they are simply not sucking muslim cock hard enough and this is the root cause of the problem so suck harder.

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 3:53pm:

I have to admit that when I first saw this thread I thought the title was “Abbott hits nail with his head!”  :D

That's because you're an illiterate idiot.

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 4:37pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 2:15pm: Tony wants Islam to reform itself? He DOES realise, I suppose, his Church has not reformed itself?  ;) The Christians stopped whacking heretics a long time ago

Exactly. It's the simple things that escape the Leftwads.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 4:50pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 3:53pm: I have to admit that when I first saw this thread I thought the title was “Abbott hits nail with his head!”  :D That's because you're an illiterate idiot.

Nah, it is because abbott is an illiterate protoNeanderthal thug with nothing but concrete above the neck!

The trouble with old Tones is once he became PM he was exposed to too many ASIO and Federal police secret reports on muslims, that would be enough to turn anyone into an islamaphobe.

Turnbull on the other hand is only new, by this time next year though he will have the same position on mussies as Donald Trump. 

Second hand turnbull is the new new ... in the libs.

https://youtu.be/KXGE2eBUdlQ

innocentbystander. wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 4:48pm:

I believe that the general consensus amongst the idiot left is that they are simply not sucking muslim cock hard enough and this is the root cause of the problem so suck harder.

While that is basically a joke the fact that many in the right are trying to push as many Muslims into radical options as possible is actually fact.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 8:51pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 4:48pm: I believe that the general consensus amongst the idiot left is that they are simply not sucking muslim cock hard enough and this is the root cause of the problem so suck harder. While that is basically a joke the fact that many in the right are trying to push as many Muslims into radical options as possible is actually fact.

Yes, the right are refusing to be cocksuckers, instead we poke and prod the mussies to see which ones are insane and when they pop their head up we blow it off.
There are lots of right wing mussies that get a laugh out of that too, they are the ones we don't mind keeping  :)

Dnarever wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 8:51pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 4:48pm: I believe that the general consensus amongst the idiot left is that they are simply not sucking muslim cock hard enough and this is the root cause of the problem so suck harder. While that is basically a joke the fact that many in the right are trying to push as many Muslims into radical options as possible is actually fact.

".....the fact that many in the right are trying to push as many Muslims into radical options as possible is actually fact."



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Yeah Dnarever,          ....coz it is the critics of ISLAM/moslems [in the West],         ....which is the principle cause of the radicalisation of moslems [in the West].

Coz, the radicalisation of moslems, has nothing at all to do with ISLAM itself.

/sarc off




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What, is a moslem ????????


Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.



ISLAM = =  ?????????

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"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4



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"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111




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THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260




ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."




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IMAGE...
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/_admin/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/129.jpeg

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami



Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior January 18, 2012 Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong "...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance. When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-islamic-behavior/




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Moslems and leftist apologists for moslems, 2015, must think we just came down in the last shower.

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easel said...
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1444209868/6#6

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There is nothing wrong with Muslims or Islam.