Freedom fighters or terrorists

By Charles C. Camosy

Americans love a good conspiracy theory. Oliver Stone's "JFK" was nominated for eight Academy Awards. "Truther" 9/11 documentaries have millions of hits on YouTube. Presidential candidate Donald Trump was a famous proponent of the view that Barack Obama is not an American citizen.

Now, with the latest in the "Star Wars" franchise, "The Force Awakens," about to be released, conspiracy theories about a galaxy far, far away are flying around like a swarm of buzz droids.

The last month has seen articles arguing that the Jedi are actually bad guys, that the genocidal destruction of the planet Alderaan by the Empire was "completely justified" and that Luke Skywalker turned to the dark side in his final fight with Darth Vader. (Why Luke urged his father to "let go of his hate" and embrace the good within him, the author did not say.)

Such notions are nothing new. In Kevin Smith's 1994 classic movie "Clerks," the character Randal was bothered by the destruction of Death Star II in "Return of the Jedi." Weren't there thousands of "independent contractors" working on the unfinished battle station, he asked. Wouldn't they have been "innocent victims" of "left-wing militants"?

Randal was suggesting that the Rebel Alliance was a terrorist organization. After all, the rebels were willing to kill innocent people to advance a political agenda.

As an academic ethicist who demands precision in moral judgments, I find this conspiracy theory one of the few worth taking seriously ― not least because it helps sharpen our moral reasoning about terrorism in general.

Let's examine what is meant by saying something is an act of terrorism. All terrorists kill innocent people, but not all who kill innocent people are terrorists. The difference lies in the intention of the person doing the killing. If the death of an innocent person was either your goal or the means by which you accomplished your goal, then you're a terrorist. If the death of innocent people was not intended, then you're not (though your action may be morally wrong).

Real-life examples illustrate the difference. In 2004, an al-Qaida-inspired group detonated 10 bombs on four commuter trains during Madrid's rush hour, killing almost 200 innocent people. Compare this with Israel's initial response to Hamas rocket attacks in 2014, a response that killed innocent Palestinians.

Though the Israeli response may have been disproportionate, it's a mistake to think of it as terrorism. Israel used TV and radio broadcasts, phone calls, text messages and even leaflets to warn innocent civilians to leave the areas that would be attacked. Israel's goal was to destroy Hamas' offensive capability. Far from targeting civilians, its military tried to warn those who were in the area that attacks were coming.

On the other hand, the Madrid bombers wanted to kill innocents as the means of achieving their objective: pushing Spain's national elections toward candidates who were against the Iraq war. In intentionally targeting innocent people for death, they committed a clearly terrorist act.

Now back to "Star Wars": What kind of act was the rebels' attack on Death Star II? Did they intentionally target the innocent contractors on board? Not at all.

Indeed, suppose the rebels found out that during the battle, the workers were actually on the nearby forest moon during a scheduled day off. Nothing about the rebel mission would have been thwarted. Like the Israelis in their attack on Hamas, the rebels surely foresaw that their assault would probably kill innocent people, but these deaths were not the means by which they accomplished their goal: eliminating the Empire's weapon of mass destruction. It wasn't terrorism.

But just because an act is not terrorism does not mean it is morally good. Lots of people, including me, believe that the Israeli response to Hamas, especially as it accelerated in the summer of 2014, was disproportionate to the evil Hamas had caused. Furthermore, the deaths of Palestinian innocents over the decades, even when unintended, make up a primary reason for the seemingly intractable and globally toxic Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

What about the rebel attack on Death Star II? It wasn't terrorism, but was it proportionate? If the history of the first battle station is anything to go by, the rebels could be confident that an unmolested Death Star II would have been used in a genocidal killing spree, destroying dozens of planets. The rebel attack, therefore, saved billions of lives, and was therefore a proportionate response.

"Star Wars" traditionalists can breathe easy. With due respect to the conspiracy theorists, the rebels are the good guys.


Charles C. Camosy is an associate professor of theological and social ethics at Fordham University. A more detailed version of this essay appears in the just-released book, "The Ultimate Star Wars and Philosophy: You Must Unlearn What You Have Learned." He wrote this for Los Angeles Times and copyright belongs to Tribune Content Agency, LLC.

Erdogan: Hamas made up of freedom fighters, not terrorists


Hamas premier Ismail Haniyeh is on his first official tour of the Muslim world • Turkey is trying to help efforts toward a reconciliation between the rival Palestinian Hamas and Fatah factions • Turkish prime minister insists Hamas is not a terrorist group but are rather "freedom fighters struggling to protect their land."

Tukey's prime minister on Sunday welcomed efforts toward reconciliation between the rival Palestinian factions during a meeting with the Hamas premier of the Gaza Strip, Turkey's state-run news agency reported.

Ismail Haniyeh is on an official tour of the Muslim world, his first trip outside the Gaza strip since the Islamist group took power in 2007. Turkey is trying to help efforts toward a reconciliation between the rival Palestinian Hamas and Fatah factions.

Haniyeh met Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu at the Turkish leader's Istanbul residence. Erdogan expressed hope that the Palestinians "attain an all-encompassing umbrella organization with strong democratic representation powers," the Anadolu News Agency reported.

After his meeting with Haniyeh in Ankara, Erdogan said that a solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict cannot be attained if Hamas is excluded from the peace process. According to Israel Radio, Erdogan rejected the definition of Hamas as a terrorist organization, insisting instead that the group was made up of "freedom fighters struggling to protect their land."

On Monday, the Hamas prime minister will meet the head of the IHH, an Islamic aid group whose Gaza-bound vessel the Mavi Marmara was the target of a deadly raid by Israeli troops in 2010 who boarded the boat as it sailed to Gaza in defiance of a naval blockade in place to prevent arms smuggling into the coastal strip. Turkey's ties with Israel, a former ally, deteriorated sharply over the flotilla raid that killed nine activists on the Turkish boat, and Erdogan has demanded that Israel lift all restrictions on the Palestinian territory.

Hamas officials say the goal of Haniyeh's trip is to improve ties with Muslim countries swept up in the uprisings shaking the Arab world.

Hamas and Fatah joined in a short-lived unity government following 2006 parliamentary elections. But the following year, the alliance shattered and Hamas seized control of the Gaza Strip during several days of fighting, leaving the Fatah-led Palestinian Authority in charge in the West Bank. Repeated attempts at reconciliation have failed, and both sides have cracked down on the other in their respective territories.

Reconciliation talks currently under way with Egyptian mediation appear to be making progress, with both Fatah and Hamas saying they hope to allow Palestinian elections to go ahead in 2012


http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_article.php?id=2465

Did the rebels believe all peopld of the e pire should not exist  and seek to kill every person who was part of the empire?

Theres your difference.  Thanks for sharing this loony nonsense.  Now i see where your ideology  comes from, just a bunch of apologists.

Did the rebels have mickey mouse tell kids to kill all the jews?

Hamas want to make Palestine an Islamic caliphate. So basically all peoples and religions will be under their control. All Jews will be forced to swim for it or be killed. Sounds like freedom to me???? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Just like Syria under ISIS.

Awwww, freedom fighters.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/20/hamas-charter-israeli-civilians-dying-ahmed-yousef

Poor freedom fighters.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/richard-cohen-hamas-must-repudiate-the-anti-semitism-in-its-charter/2014/04/28/d1ca019a-ceff-11e3-937f-d3026234b51c_story.html

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 9:21am:

Awwww, freedom fighters. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/20/hamas-charter-israeli-civilians-dying-ahmed-yousef

Yiftah Curiel, head spokesman for the Israeli Embassy in London.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 9:24am:

Poor freedom fighters. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/richard-cohen-hamas-must-repudiate-the-anti-semitism-in-its-charter/2014/04/28/d1ca019a-ceff-11e3-937f-d3026234b51c_story.html

In his July 18, 2006, column[11] he stated: "The greatest mistake Israel could make at the moment is to forget that Israel itself is a mistake. It is an honest mistake, a well-intentioned mistake, a mistake for which no one is culpable, but the idea of creating a nation of European Jews in an area of Arab Muslims (and some Christians) has produced a century of warfare and terrorism of the sort we are seeing now"

Richard Cohen

____ wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 9:27am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 10th, 2015 at 9:21am: Awwww, freedom fighters. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/20/hamas-charter-israeli-civilians-dying-ahmed-yousef Yiftah Curiel, head spokesman for the Israeli Embassy in London.

Which part of his opinion do you disagree with, and with citation explajn why.

____ wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 9:33am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 10th, 2015 at 9:24am: Poor freedom fighters. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/richard-cohen-hamas-must-repudiate-the-anti-semitism-in-its-charter/2014/04/28/d1ca019a-ceff-11e3-937f-d3026234b51c_story.html In his July 18, 2006, column[11] he stated: "The greatest mistake Israel could make at the moment is to forget that Israel itself is a mistake. It is an honest mistake, a well-intentioned mistake, a mistake for which no one is culpable, but the idea of creating a nation of European Jews in an area of Arab Muslims (and some Christians) has produced a century of warfare and terrorism of the sort we are seeing now" Richard Cohen

So you believe muslims cannot live amongst western values?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 9:34am:

____ wrote on Dec 10th, 2015 at 9:27am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 10th, 2015 at 9:21am: Awwww, freedom fighters. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/20/hamas-charter-israeli-civilians-dying-ahmed-yousef Yiftah Curiel, head spokesman for the Israeli Embassy in London. Which part of his opinion do you disagree with, and with citation explajn why.

It's an opinion piece with a bias. I just stated so other readers can keep it in mind when reading his opinion.

Not detracting from his right to state an opinion.

____ wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 9:45am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 10th, 2015 at 9:34am: ____ wrote on Dec 10th, 2015 at 9:27am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 10th, 2015 at 9:21am: Awwww, freedom fighters. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/20/hamas-charter-israeli-civilians-dying-ahmed-yousef Yiftah Curiel, head spokesman for the Israeli Embassy in London. Which part of his opinion do you disagree with, and with citation explajn why. It's an opinion piece with a bias. I just stated so other readers can keep it in mind when reading his opinion. Not detracting from his right to state an opinion.

Everyone can deduce its an opinion, and opinions have bias. Im asking you to tell me which parts of his opinion you disagree with, and with citations explain why.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 9:35am:

____ wrote on Dec 10th, 2015 at 9:33am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 10th, 2015 at 9:24am: Poor freedom fighters. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/richard-cohen-hamas-must-repudiate-the-anti-semitism-in-its-charter/2014/04/28/d1ca019a-ceff-11e3-937f-d3026234b51c_story.html In his July 18, 2006, column[11] he stated: "The greatest mistake Israel could make at the moment is to forget that Israel itself is a mistake. It is an honest mistake, a well-intentioned mistake, a mistake for which no one is culpable, but the idea of creating a nation of European Jews in an area of Arab Muslims (and some Christians) has produced a century of warfare and terrorism of the sort we are seeing now" Richard Cohen So you believe muslims cannot live amongst western values?

Western values?
I have no idea what you are talking about considering values are not constant across western nations and it's peoples.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 9:48am:

____ wrote on Dec 10th, 2015 at 9:45am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 10th, 2015 at 9:34am: ____ wrote on Dec 10th, 2015 at 9:27am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 10th, 2015 at 9:21am: Awwww, freedom fighters. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/20/hamas-charter-israeli-civilians-dying-ahmed-yousef Yiftah Curiel, head spokesman for the Israeli Embassy in London. Which part of his opinion do you disagree with, and with citation explajn why. It's an opinion piece with a bias. I just stated so other readers can keep it in mind when reading his opinion. Not detracting from his right to state an opinion. Everyone can deduce its an opinion, and opinions have bias. Im asking you to tell me which parts of his opinion you disagree with, and with citations explain why.

I am not here to discuss opinion articles, I are here to discuss Hamas and to disperse the myth that Hamas is a terror organisation.

It's about being efficient in my approach to an ultimate aim.

____ wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 9:53am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 10th, 2015 at 9:48am: ____ wrote on Dec 10th, 2015 at 9:45am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 10th, 2015 at 9:34am: ____ wrote on Dec 10th, 2015 at 9:27am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 10th, 2015 at 9:21am: Awwww, freedom fighters. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/20/hamas-charter-israeli-civilians-dying-ahmed-yousef Yiftah Curiel, head spokesman for the Israeli Embassy in London. Which part of his opinion do you disagree with, and with citation explajn why. It's an opinion piece with a bias. I just stated so other readers can keep it in mind when reading his opinion. Not detracting from his right to state an opinion. Everyone can deduce its an opinion, and opinions have bias. Im asking you to tell me which parts of his opinion you disagree with, and with citations explain why. I am not here to discuss opinion articles, I are here to discuss Hamas and to disperse the myth that Hamas is a terror organisation. It's about being efficient in my approach to an ultimate aim.

And you do this via 2 opinions, one claiming israel is darth vadar.  Ffs, forget it. Hamas are terrorists.  End of story, no point debating with a guy who doesnt know how.

____ wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 9:50am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 10th, 2015 at 9:35am: ____ wrote on Dec 10th, 2015 at 9:33am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 10th, 2015 at 9:24am: Poor freedom fighters. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/richard-cohen-hamas-must-repudiate-the-anti-semitism-in-its-charter/2014/04/28/d1ca019a-ceff-11e3-937f-d3026234b51c_story.html In his July 18, 2006, column[11] he stated: "The greatest mistake Israel could make at the moment is to forget that Israel itself is a mistake. It is an honest mistake, a well-intentioned mistake, a mistake for which no one is culpable, but the idea of creating a nation of European Jews in an area of Arab Muslims (and some Christians) has produced a century of warfare and terrorism of the sort we are seeing now" Richard Cohen So you believe muslims cannot live amongst western values? Western values? I have no idea what you are talking about considering values are not constant across western nations and it's peoples.

Yes, western democratic values.