why are these so called anti racists protesters such thugs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnLXK8-cz7U&feature=youtu.be

by the way

just to make things clear to the numbskulls

Islam is not a race

you can't be a racists by speaking out of its evils

ok?

duh  ::)

Because they are a bunch of gutless little pricks who hide behind balaclavas, masks and sunglasses.

They would turn up to the opening of an envelope because it gives them a chance to 'get it on' with anyone who happens to be around.

There is a term used to cover them...Dickwads

so who are the real Nazi's?


Quote:

Muslim Brotherhood was founded in Egypt in 1928 by a 22-year old Muslim named Hassan al-Banna, who admired Adolf Hitler's hatred of the Jews and persistently wrote to Hitler to express his admiration for Hitler, as well as his desire for collaboration with Hitler's Nazi Party. When Hitler rose to power, his Nazis supported al-Banna, a school teacher, to grow the Muslim Brotherhood into its ally in the Middle East; by 1938, the membership of Muslim Brotherhood topped 200,000. During World War II, members of the Muslim Brotherhood spied for Hitler's Nazis in the Middle East and fought for Hitler as Nazi troops in two specially formed Muslim Waffen-SS Handschar Divisions ('Handschar' is German for scimitar, the curved saber used by the Muslim troops of the Ottoman empire). Above is Hitler with Haj Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and a close ally of al-Banna, in Berlin, where he lived as Hitler's VIP guest from 1941 to 1945, before joining al-Banna in Egypt in 1946. The Muslim Nazi troops of the Waffen-SS Handschar Divisions are being reviewed by Haj Amin al-Husseini (right) and by the SS Reichsfuhrer Heinrich Himmler (below). Due to the large number of Muslim volunteers, the Handschar Divisions were the largest of Hitler's 38 Waffen-SS divisions After World War II, the Muslim Brotherhood continued to grow, supported this time by the West, which saw it as a counterweight to the threat of Soviet-backed Communism in the Middle East. By the late 1940s, Muslim Brotherhood numbered 500,000 members. While some of them built schools and medical clinics, other continued to engage in violence, including bombings, arsons and murders. In 1948, members of the Muslim Brotherhood assassinated the Egyptian Prime  MinisterMahmoud Fahmi al-Nuqrashi and participated in the invasion of the newly re-created nation of Israel. The Muslim Brotherhood's violent conflict with the Egyptian government, which also included the government's assassination of al-Banna and two failed Muslim Brotherhood assassination attempts on the Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser, eventually led to many of its leaders being jailed while others fled and established branches abroad, mostly in other Middle Eastern Arab nations but also in Europe, UK and USA. Concluding that it did not yet have the muscle to spread Islam by force, Muslim Brotherhood 'officially' renounced violence in the 1970s and switched to more cunning strategies detailed in its secret internal manifesto, "The Project". In 1987, Muslim Brotherhood in Israel created Hamas, whose members still use the Nazi salute (above) and read Hitler's Mein Kampf, which the Muslim Brotherhood re-titled, My Jihad, and translated into Arabic in the 1930s (Mein Kampf remains the #6 best-seller in the Muslim world today and a favorite among members of the Muslim Brotherhood). In 1989, the Muslim Brotherhood's Mujahedeen army pushed the Soviet army out of Afghanistan and then split. One of the factions became Al Qaeda, led by a Muslim Brotherhood-schooled Saudi named, Osama bin Laden.

red baron wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 2:32pm:

Because they are a bunch of gutless little pricks who hide behind balaclavas, masks and sunglasses. They would turn up to the opening of an envelope because it gives them a chance to 'get it on' with anyone who happens to be around. There is a term used to cover them...Dickwads

Don't police squads "hide behind balaclavas, masks and sunglasses"? Are they  a bunch of gutless little pricks? Dickwads?

No, they are the poor slobs who have to go and deal with these excuses for human excrement.

So that dainty little darlings like you are safe and cosy in your worm holes.

I notice both the pro and anti muslim mobs like to hide their faces gutless bastards.

ISIS bastards are also equally gutless hiding their faces so it will be hard to bring them before a world court.

red baron wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 2:50pm:

No, they are the poor slobs who have to go and deal with these excuses for human excrement. So that dainty little darlings like you are safe and cosy in your worm holes.

Your perspicacity has won you a bag of donut holes.

Sorry I couldn't offer you your usual gift box of Bondi Cigars. My production manager Lisa Jones is falling down on the job. Lisa is consumed with her latest innovation: turning wet farts into a consumer product.

Redmond Neck wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 3:09pm:

I notice both the pro and anti muslim mobs like to hide their faces gutless bastards. ISIS bastards are also equally gutless hiding their faces so it will be hard to bring them before a world court.

Have you noticed that the Cops do as well?

Aussie wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 3:14pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 3:09pm: I notice both the pro and anti muslim mobs like to hide their faces gutless bastards. ISIS bastards are also equally gutless hiding their faces so it will be hard to bring them before a world court. Have you noticed that the Cops do as well?

Facts are not something that Red Baron ascribes to.

Why do police need to conceal their identity? Are they embarrassed their neighbors will find out?

Perhaps they hide their identity because they don't want to become the face of the anti-Islam movement, given the number of Aussie Muslims who really are out to kill.

Those damned Islamians  >:( :o

freediver wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 3:18pm:

Perhaps they hide their identity because they don't want to become the face of the anti-Islam movement, given the number of Aussie Muslims who really are out to kill.

So you believe that Australian police are anti-Islam?

Do you have something you should be reporting to police about what you know of "Aussie Muslims who really are out to kill.

BlueBeard wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 2:31pm:

by the way just to make things clear to the numbskulls Islam is not a race you can't be a racists by speaking out of its evils ok? duh  ::)

No, but I'm sick of hearing this bullsh1t excuse from the bigots to try to justify their ignorance, bigotry and Islamophobia.

It mightn't be racist, but it is ignorant and bigoted.

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 3:22pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 3:18pm: Perhaps they hide their identity because they don't want to become the face of the anti-Islam movement, given the number of Aussie Muslims who really are out to kill. So you believe that Australian police are anti-Islam? Do you have something you should be reporting to police about what you know of "Aussie Muslims who really are out to kill.

I was referring to the protestors, though the police may well have the same concerns.

The authorities are already aware of over one hundred Aussie Muslims currently fighting for Islamic state, and a much broader support base behind them here back home. Unless you think we have miraculously exported every single Muslim extremist, then we have more still in the country. Is that what you think? Is this news to you? Do you want me to call the police and report what I see on the front page of the paper?


Quote:

It mightn't be racist, but it is ignorant and bigoted.

What exactly is ignorant and bigoted?

The Police were at Cronulla to keep the Peace and that's exactly what they did without fear or favour to either side.

Just what do you think the outcome would have been if they were not there.

Think it through doughboys.

red baron wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

The Police were at Cronulla to keep the Peace and that's exactly what they did without fear or favour to either side. Just what do you think the outcome would have been if they were not there. Think it through doughboys.

Wowee! Police actually doing something they are paid to do?

You have won your second bag of donut holes today. Wait! There's more. Lisa Jones will send you a wet fart as your mystery gift. Enjoy.

Please don't thank me.

Cronulla is a disgrace for both sides.

If you live in Australia you are Australian first and then Greek or Irish or Iranian or whatever.

red baron wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

The Police were at Cronulla to keep the Peace and that's exactly what they did without fear or favour to either side. Just what do you think the outcome would have been if they were not there. Think it through doughboys.

If the police weren't there to protect them the pro muslim terror lefty protesters would not have even turned up, they only turned up at all because they heard that there was going to be a police presence and they know that the pc rules of engagement forbid the police from defending themselves, so they go to attack the police and yell at the other mob safe in the knowledge that the police will take all of their sh1t and also protect them from the other idiotic mob too if they go on the attack. 

Basically the lefty pro islam terror protesters are as cowardly as their isis heros, they avoid a stand up fight preferring to target the weak, in this case the weak being the coppers who have had both hands tied around their balls in order to satisfy the politically correct. 

innocentbystander. wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 4:27pm:

red baron wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 4:08pm: The Police were at Cronulla to keep the Peace and that's exactly what they did without fear or favour to either side. Just what do you think the outcome would have been if they were not there. Think it through doughboys. If the police weren't there to protect them the pro muslim terror lefty protesters would not have even turned up, they only turned up at all because they heard that there was going to be a police presence and they know that the pc rules of engagement forbid the police from defending themselves, so they go to attack the police and yell at the other mob safe in the knowledge that the police will take all of their sh1t and also protect them from the other idiotic mob too if they go on the attack.  Basically the lefty pro islam terror protesters are as cowardly as their isis heros, they avoid a stand up fight preferring to target the weak, in this case the weak being the coppers who have had both hands tied around their balls in order to satisfy the politically correct.

Perhaps the police were protecting their off-duty mates in the fascist mob?

Kat wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 3:47pm:

BlueBeard wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 2:31pm: by the way just to make things clear to the numbskulls Islam is not a race you can't be a racists by speaking out of its evils ok? duh  ::) No, but I'm sick of hearing this bullsh1t excuse from the bigots to try to justify their ignorance, bigotry and Islamophobia. It mightn't be racist, but it is ignorant and bigoted.

that's right, I'm 100% correct

its time you took a wakeup call son

and if I show intolerance towards people who's religion says to kill me because I don't believe in it then go get stuffed and take the first plane to Syria and see how you go living there

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 4:30pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 4:27pm: red baron wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 4:08pm: The Police were at Cronulla to keep the Peace and that's exactly what they did without fear or favour to either side. Just what do you think the outcome would have been if they were not there. Think it through doughboys. If the police weren't there to protect them the pro muslim terror lefty protesters would not have even turned up, they only turned up at all because they heard that there was going to be a police presence and they know that the pc rules of engagement forbid the police from defending themselves, so they go to attack the police and yell at the other mob safe in the knowledge that the police will take all of their sh1t and also protect them from the other idiotic mob too if they go on the attack.  Basically the lefty pro islam terror protesters are as cowardly as their isis heros, they avoid a stand up fight preferring to target the weak, in this case the weak being the coppers who have had both hands tied around their balls in order to satisfy the politically correct.  Perhaps the police were protecting their off-duty mates in the fascist mob?

You don't trust the police and you feel that ISIS may be a better bet when it comes to protecting your right to be a f--kin idiot, I realise that is how most of the idiot left like you think and grudgingly accept that yes the idiot left would be better off being islam rape bitches, it would be a fantasy dream come true for them. 

BlueBeard wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 4:37pm:

Kat wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 3:47pm: BlueBeard wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 2:31pm: by the way just to make things clear to the numbskulls Islam is not a race you can't be a racists by speaking out of its evils ok? duh  ::) No, but I'm sick of hearing this bullsh1t excuse from the bigots to try to justify their ignorance, bigotry and Islamophobia. It mightn't be racist, but it is ignorant and bigoted. that's right, I'm 100% correct its time you took a wakeup call son and if I show intolerance towards people who's religion says to kill me because I don't believe in it then go get stuffed and take the first plane to Syria and see how you go living there

Thanks for proving my point.

Ajax wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 4:27pm:

Cronulla is a disgrace for both sides. If you live in Australia you are Australian first and then Greek or Irish or Iranian or whatever.

not sure I agree with you 100% here

no nationality should come second if you live here

so you are

Australian
Greek Australian
Irish Australian

etc etc - we are all Australians

then there's the Islamic Terrorists who's only mission is to slowly take over and kill us, who all just happen to be Muslim  >:(

Kat wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 4:41pm:

BlueBeard wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 4:37pm: Kat wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 3:47pm: BlueBeard wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 2:31pm: by the way just to make things clear to the numbskulls Islam is not a race you can't be a racists by speaking out of its evils ok? duh  ::) No, but I'm sick of hearing this bullsh1t excuse from the bigots to try to justify their ignorance, bigotry and Islamophobia. It mightn't be racist, but it is ignorant and bigoted. that's right, I'm 100% correct its time you took a wakeup call son and if I show intolerance towards people who's religion says to kill me because I don't believe in it then go get stuffed and take the first plane to Syria and see how you go living there Thanks for proving my point.

that you are a Numbskull?

no problem - but I'm sure most of the Forum members already know that  ::)

BlueBeard wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 4:41pm:

not sure I agree with you 100% here no nationality should come second if you live here so you are Australian Greek Australian Irish Australian etc etc - we are all Australians

My mind and heart are Australian my blood is Greek.

I was born in Australia this is my country, I enjoy my Greek heritage but I'm Australian first.


Quote:

then there's the Islamic Terrorists who's only mission is to slowly take over and kill us, who all just happen to be Muslim  >:(

Yes they do proclaim to be muslims, but they don't just kill us cause we don't agree with them they have also murdered many other muslims that don't agree them.

They have killed more muslims than any other religion.

To me that makes them terrorists.

Most Nazis where probably protestants, that doesn't make most protestants Nazis.

more cowards like kat


Quote:

One middle aged woman draped in an Australian flag got caught in the crowd yesterday and was surrounded by up to 20 to 30 gutless Antifa members who shouted at her "take that fascist flag off now" Another man shouted "burn that flag and burn that woman"

http://i1030.photobucket.com/albums/y369/Bluebeard7/12314089_895519090562525_6918382056958153825_n_zpsxxmnbz3x.jpg

innocentbystander. wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 4:37pm:

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 4:30pm: innocentbystander. wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 4:27pm: red baron wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 4:08pm: The Police were at Cronulla to keep the Peace and that's exactly what they did without fear or favour to either side. Just what do you think the outcome would have been if they were not there. Think it through doughboys. If the police weren't there to protect them the pro muslim terror lefty protesters would not have even turned up, they only turned up at all because they heard that there was going to be a police presence and they know that the pc rules of engagement forbid the police from defending themselves, so they go to attack the police and yell at the other mob safe in the knowledge that the police will take all of their sh1t and also protect them from the other idiotic mob too if they go on the attack.  Basically the lefty pro islam terror protesters are as cowardly as their isis heros, they avoid a stand up fight preferring to target the weak, in this case the weak being the coppers who have had both hands tied around their balls in order to satisfy the politically correct.  Perhaps the police were protecting their off-duty mates in the fascist mob? You don't trust the police and you feel that ISIS may be a better bet when it comes to protecting your right to be a f--kin idiot, I realise that is how most of the idiot left like you think and grudgingly accept that yes the idiot left would be better off being islam rape bitches, it would be a fantasy dream come true for them.

Your fantasies are perverted delusions of a sick mind. Your hate is dementing you.

BlueBeard wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 5:03pm:

more cowards like kat

Yes this why they love muslim terrorists, they want to be just like them, they want to be given carte blanche to attack senior citizens, they would have chopped that old ladies head off if the police didn't intervene, the idiot left and the radical muslim are both effected by the same disease, insanity.

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 5:10pm:

Your fantasies are perverted delusions of a sick mind. Your hate is dementing you.

You are the one that has made it quite clear that you want to suck muslim cock until the cows come home if that is what it will take to keep the peace with the mad muslim.

So keep on sucking loser  ;D

BlueBeard wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 5:03pm:

more cowards like kat Quote: One middle aged woman draped in an Australian flag got caught in the crowd yesterday and was surrounded by up to 20 to 30 gutless Antifa members who shouted at her "take that fascist flag off now" Another man shouted "burn that flag and burn that woman" http://i1030.photobucket.com/albums/y369/Bluebeard7/12314089_895519090562525_6918382056958153825_n_zpsxxmnbz3x.jpg

DO grow a brain...

BlueBeard wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 4:42pm:

Kat wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 4:41pm: BlueBeard wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 4:37pm: Kat wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 3:47pm: BlueBeard wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 2:31pm: by the way just to make things clear to the numbskulls Islam is not a race you can't be a racists by speaking out of its evils ok? duh  ::) No, but I'm sick of hearing this bullsh1t excuse from the bigots to try to justify their ignorance, bigotry and Islamophobia. It mightn't be racist, but it is ignorant and bigoted. that's right, I'm 100% correct its time you took a wakeup call son and if I show intolerance towards people who's religion says to kill me because I don't believe in it then go get stuffed and take the first plane to Syria and see how you go living there Thanks for proving my point. that you are a Numbskull? no problem - but I'm sure most of the Forum members already know that  ::)

No, that you are an ignorant bigot.

innocentbystander. wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 5:27pm:

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 5:10pm: Your fantasies are perverted delusions of a sick mind. Your hate is dementing you. You are the one that has made it quite clear that you want to suck muslim cock until the cows come home if that is what it will take to keep the peace with the mad muslim. So keep on sucking loser  ;D

Whose yo daddy?

http://slightlywarped.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/fb_img_1449858994250.jpg

Kat wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 3:47pm:

BlueBeard wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 2:31pm: by the way just to make things clear to the numbskulls Islam is not a race you can't be a racists by speaking out of its evils ok? duh  ::) No, but I'm sick of hearing this bullsh1t excuse from the bigots to try to justify their ignorance, bigotry and Islamophobia. It mightn't be racist, but it is ignorant and bigoted.

Probably not as ignorant as you.

BlueBeard wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 2:20pm:

why are these so called anti racists protesters such thugs? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnLXK8-cz7U&feature=youtu.be

Great video

to the point

correct

& showing the anally retentive ANTIFA crew & supporters  just what they really are.

Gnads wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

Kat wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 3:47pm: BlueBeard wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 2:31pm: by the way just to make things clear to the numbskulls Islam is not a race you can't be a racists by speaking out of its evils ok? duh  ::) No, but I'm sick of hearing this bullsh1t excuse from the bigots to try to justify their ignorance, bigotry and Islamophobia. It mightn't be racist, but it is ignorant and bigoted. Probably not as ignorant as you.

Whatever ya reckon...

I'm still correct though, and your insults don't change that.

Kat wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 3:47pm:

BlueBeard wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 2:31pm: by the way just to make things clear to the numbskulls Islam is not a race you can't be a racists by speaking out of its evils ok? duh  ::) No, but I'm sick of hearing this bullsh1t excuse from the bigots to try to justify their ignorance, bigotry and Islamophobia. It mightn't be racist, but it is ignorant and bigoted.

What exactly is ignorant and bigoted?

freediver wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 6:56pm:

Kat wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 3:47pm: BlueBeard wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 2:31pm: by the way just to make things clear to the numbskulls Islam is not a race you can't be a racists by speaking out of its evils ok? duh  ::) No, but I'm sick of hearing this bullsh1t excuse from the bigots to try to justify their ignorance, bigotry and Islamophobia. It mightn't be racist, but it is ignorant and bigoted. What exactly is ignorant and bigoted?

90% if the anti-Islam rhetoric being thrown around the place.

So you haven't really stopped to think about it? You just like to throw around words like ignorant and bigoted, but to your credit you have learnt not to say racist?

Would you use these words to describe anti-Nazi protesters?

freediver wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 7:13pm:

So you haven't really stopped to think about it? You just like to throw around words like ignorant and bigoted, but to your credit you have learnt not to say racist? Would you use these words to describe anti-Nazi protesters?

one step at a time Freediver, one step at a time

some people are a bit slower than others, they have let the wool being pulled over their eyes and have forgotten to think for themselves

BlueBeard wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 2:31pm:

by the way just to make things clear to the numbskulls Islam is not a race you can't be a racists by speaking out of its e

The tinted races aren’t a race either. Blacks? Not a race. Curries, Chows, Boongs, Ragheads, not a race.

So no racism here, okay?

freediver wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 3:51pm:

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 3:22pm: freediver wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 3:18pm: Perhaps they hide their identity because they don't want to become the face of the anti-Islam movement, given the number of Aussie Muslims who really are out to kill. So you believe that Australian police are anti-Islam? Do you have something you should be reporting to police about what you know of "Aussie Muslims who really are out to kill. I was referring to the protestors, though the police may well have the same concerns. The authorities are already aware of over one hundred Aussie Muslims currently fighting for Islamic state, and a much broader support base behind them here back home. Unless you think we have miraculously exported every single Muslim extremist, then we have more still in the country. Is that what you think? Is this news to you? Do you want me to call the police and report what I see on the front page of the paper? Quote: It mightn't be racist, but it is ignorant and bigoted. What exactly is ignorant and bigoted?

Ban them.

Kill them.

Burn them.

Kat wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 3:47pm:

BlueBeard wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 2:31pm: by the way just to make things clear to the numbskulls Islam is not a race you can't be a racists by speaking out of its evils ok? duh  ::) No, but I'm sick of hearing this bullsh1t excuse from the bigots to try to justify their ignorance, bigotry and Islamophobia. It mightn't be racist, but it is ignorant and bigoted.

And im sick of hearing ignorant bigots like yourself,          .....whine, and whine, and whine, about Islamophobia.

Stop touching yourself.

And instead, explain yourself.



FURTHER......

Kat,

You are the one who is exposing [in your posts] your own ignorance and bigotry.



Kat,

It is not ignorance nor is it bigotry, to expose this information [below] about the tenets of ISLAM.

If it is,      .....then please explain,       .......how it is ignorance or bigotry, to expose this information [below] about the tenets of ISLAM.

Otherwise,      .....please stop your ignorant whining, and whining, and whining, and whining,      ....ad infinitum.


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THE KORAN      [n.b. the Koran is the primary 'religious' guide in life, for every moslem].....


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4



.



"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111



.


Kat,

In [your own] ignorance and bigotry,     ....it is you [and people JUST like you] who seek to SUPPRESS this information about the tenets of ISLAM.

You do this, because it is you, yourself, who is the ignorant bigot.

Persons like yourself, do not want the debate.

You seek only to suppress any discussion of the issue        [i.e. the real threat which ISLAM poses to Australia and to all Australians].



Now;

What is a bigot ?

Dictionary;
bigot = =
a person who is prejudiced in their views and intolerant of the opinions of others.

n.b.
Bigots, are those people who are,
".....intolerant of the opinions of others."



What is ignorance ?

Dictionary;
ignorant = = lacking knowledge or awareness in general.         (often ignorant of) uninformed about or unaware of a specific subject or fact.

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http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1449724120/39#39

Karnal wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 11:28pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 3:51pm: Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 3:22pm: freediver wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 3:18pm: Perhaps they hide their identity because they don't want to become the face of the anti-Islam movement, given the number of Aussie Muslims who really are out to kill. So you believe that Australian police are anti-Islam? Do you have something you should be reporting to police about what you know of "Aussie Muslims who really are out to kill. I was referring to the protestors, though the police may well have the same concerns. The authorities are already aware of over one hundred Aussie Muslims currently fighting for Islamic state, and a much broader support base behind them here back home. Unless you think we have miraculously exported every single Muslim extremist, then we have more still in the country. Is that what you think? Is this news to you? Do you want me to call the police and report what I see on the front page of the paper? Quote: It mightn't be racist, but it is ignorant and bigoted. What exactly is ignorant and bigoted? Ban them. Kill them. Burn them.

The 'them', to whom Karnal refers,       ....are the 'they' who promote this;

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THE KORAN      [n.b. the Koran is the primary 'religious' guide in life, for every moslem].....


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4



.



"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111






and here 'they' are, on the day when 'they' are NOT promoting "ISLAM is peace";

The 'them', to whom Karnal refers;

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IMAGE...
http://www.zionism-israel.com/ezine/Isllam2.jpg



THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST, 2006, IN LONDON READ.....

"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Massacre those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who mock Islam"
"Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way"
"Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way"
"Exterminate those who slander Islam"
"Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer"
"Islam will dominate the world"
"Freedom go to hell"
"Europe take some lessons from 9/11"
"Be prepared for the real Holocaust"
"BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders"




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IMAGE....
http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/08/27/1227038/812722-d0870956-2cc7-11e4-a978-2255e0b773c2.jpg

"Behead those who insult ISLAM"

Islamic Protest - IN AUSTRALIA - on the streets of Sydney from Hyde Park to George Streets, September 15, 2012.

Karnal wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 11:28pm:

Ban them. Kill them. Burn them.

The way that Karnal carries on,        .....you would think that it was a crime to SHOOT a rabid dog!

It isn't.

It would simply be a common-sense act, to shoot a rabid dog.



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IMAGE...
http://www.zionism-israel.com/ezine/Isllam2.jpg



THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST, 2006, IN LONDON READ.....

"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Massacre those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who mock Islam"
"Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way"
"Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way"
"Exterminate those who slander Islam"
"Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer"
"Islam will dominate the world"
"Freedom go to hell"
"Europe take some lessons from 9/11"
"Be prepared for the real Holocaust"
"BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders"




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IMAGE....
http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/08/27/1227038/812722-d0870956-2cc7-11e4-a978-2255e0b773c2.jpg

"Behead those who insult ISLAM"

Islamic Protest - IN AUSTRALIA - on the streets of Sydney from Hyde Park to George Streets, September 15, 2012.





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ADDENDUM;

Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1409991405/8#8

Quote:

Promoting and encouraging violent and unlawful acts is illegal. We live in a country in which the people supposedly respect the rule of law. Without widespread respect for the law of the land, we [our Australian society] would descend into being like Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Somalia, etc, etc - which is exactly what moslems are trying to achieve. Moslems want to destroy all of the institutions in Australia, which help to maintain a peaceful and functioning society. SUGGESTION; If you live in Australia and you don't like what ISLAM promotes          then you should contact your federal parliamentary representative - EXPLAIN TO HIM/HER WHY YOU DO NOT LIKE ISLAM AND MOSLEMS - and encourage your federal parliamentary representative to try to get ISLAM lawfully declared a proscribed [banned] group in Australia. Act within the law. Otherwise we are no better than moslems.

Yadda is a Muslim hate propagator.

freediver wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 7:13pm:

So you haven't really stopped to think about it? You just like to throw around words like ignorant and bigoted, but to your credit you have learnt not to say racist? Would you use these words to describe anti-Nazi protesters?

Oh, I've thought about it all right. Unlike some. And I 'throw words like bigot and ignorant around' because in
this context they are perfectly accurate descriptors of these people.

As for anti-nazi protestors - which ones?

If you meant the Intifa mob, then yes, I believe they are - because they also are labouring under ignorance.

Kat wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 6:50pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 6:41pm: Kat wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 3:47pm: BlueBeard wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 2:31pm: by the way just to make things clear to the numbskulls Islam is not a race you can't be a racists by speaking out of its evils ok? duh  ::) No, but I'm sick of hearing this bullsh1t excuse from the bigots to try to justify their ignorance, bigotry and Islamophobia. It mightn't be racist, but it is ignorant and bigoted. Probably not as ignorant as you. Whatever ya reckon... I'm still correct though, and your insults don't change that.

"Insults?" ...  ;D ;D

Similar to your insults is it?

You'll know when I'm insulting you precious. ::)

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 12:45am:

Yadda is a Muslim hate propagator.

Well, if you believe that, then report me to,      .....whoever.





Sun Tzu,

Yadda is not a moslem,         .....and i am not a hate propagator.              :)

Yadda is an educator,     .....but yes, i am expressing an opinion too.....

BUT I AM ALSO PRESENTING EVIDENCE, AND USING LOGIC AND REASONING, to substantuate my argument/opinion.




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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1449724120/40#40

Quote:

Yes [insert YOUR name here]. No need to enter into reasoned debate. No need to present an argument           [....that you would then have to be prepared to defend]. Just denigrate me. Just disparage me.

Sun Tzu,

The Koran, is a terrorist instruction manual.

And the >>> Koran <<< [along with the Hadith], is THE PRIMARY SOURCE OF RADICALISATION of moslems.

And every devout moslem, every moslem, holds a reverence for the Koran, as containing Allah's direct, spoken word.



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Any contest with my argument so far Sun Tzu ?????

Google;
Koran, is, a terrorist instruction manual

n.b.
The Koran is a holy guide [as per, Allah's words], as to how every moslem should live his life, every day.




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CRIMINAL INTENT, IN THE MOSLEM HEART
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1252898491/0#0

Quote:

Every moslem in Australia [and indeed, every moslem on the planet], by self declaring as a moslem, is self declaring a criminal intent [by our laws] against local non-moslems. ISLAM is a criminal compact among moslems, to wage a violent 'religious' war against non-moslems ['disbelievers']. .....Basically, fundamentally, all ISLAMIC doctrine translates as enmity, and encourages [criminal] violence, towards ALL non-moslems.

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1

Quote:

"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac" - Yadda QUESTION; What about the innocent moslems ? IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems. How so [logically] ? QUESTION; How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ? QUESTION; How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],      ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ? QUESTION; How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],     ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

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The Koran, is a terrorist instruction manual.

And IMO, every non-moslem school child in Australia should open it, study it, and be exposed to its contents!     [....but NOT, under the direction of a moslem imam, or any moslem!]

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THE KORAN      [n.b. the Koran is the primary 'religious' guide in life, for every moslem].....


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4



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"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111



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Sun Tzu,

IN CONTRAST WITH YOUR ACCUSATION(S) AGAINST ME;

When i [or some other person like me], turns and accuses moslems of being members of a murderous death cult,      i can draw peoples attention to the evidence, and to the reasoning and the logic i use, to give my accusation credibility/validity.

I can prove [to any reasonable person] that my accusation IS NOT, empty 'name-calling'.


When i characterise, every moslem in Australia as a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac,     I CAN PROVE IT [to any reasonable person], USING EVIDENCE AND LOGIC AND REASONING.

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 12:45am:

Yadda is a Muslim hate propagator.

Sun Tzu,

Yadda is not a moslem,         .....and i am not a hate propagator.              :)

Yadda is an educator,     .....but yes, i am expressing an opinion too.....

BUT I AM ALSO PRESENTING EVIDENCE, AND USING LOGIC AND REASONING, to substantuate my argument/opinion.




Sun Tzu,

The Koran, is a document which full of HATE SPEECH!,     ......it is HATE SPEECH! which is directed towards people who are NOT moslems [because they are not moslems!].




And the >>> Koran <<< [along with the Hadith], is THE PRIMARY SOURCE OF RADICALISATION of moslems.

And every devout moslem, every moslem, holds a reverence for the Koran, as containing Allah's direct, spoken word.



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The Koran, is a document full of HATE SPEECH!

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THE KORAN      [n.b. the Koran is the primary 'religious' guide in life, for every moslem].....


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4



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"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111



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Google;
Koran, is, a terrorist instruction manual

n.b.
The Koran is a holy guide [as per, Allah's words], as to how every moslem should live his life, every day.


Any contest/disagreement with my argument so far Sun Tzu ?????            :)

yadda why are you so determined to ruin every thread with your constant dribble? can't you just post a comment without all the crap you attach to it??

John Smith wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 8:25am:

yadda why are you so determined to ruin every thread with your constant dribble? can't you just post a comment without all the crap you attach to it??

Why ?



Because on any public forum, you can get 1,000 opinions for zip [i.e. for no cost].

And an opinion, imo, presented by itself, isn't worth anything.

Not one brass razzo!

An opinion which sounds 'nice', but which is an opinion which is unsubstantiated [and which is presented in a forum, with even the absence of any reasoning, in its support], is worthless imo.




The only opinions which are worth something, which may have some value, imo,     .....are opinions and argument, which are presented with some substantuating evidence and reasoning, and logic.


e.g.

Yadda is a Muslim hate propagator.
- Sun Tzu

Sun Tzu, is wrong on both counts.           :)




And imo, it is not wrong, to both hate [and to try to expose], the intent, of persons who present [to a reasonable person], as latent wanna-be murderers.




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IMAGE....
http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/08/27/1227038/812722-d0870956-2cc7-11e4-a978-2255e0b773c2.jpg

"Behead those who insult ISLAM"

Islamic Protest - IN AUSTRALIA - on the streets of Sydney from Hyde Park to George Streets, September 15, 2012.





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IMAGE...
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/_admin/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/129.jpeg

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami



Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior January 18, 2012 Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong "...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance. When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-islamic-behavior/

More Muslim hate from Yadda.

Kat wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 5:14am:

freediver wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 7:13pm: So you haven't really stopped to think about it? You just like to throw around words like ignorant and bigoted, but to your credit you have learnt not to say racist? Would you use these words to describe anti-Nazi protesters? Oh, I've thought about it all right. Unlike some. And I 'throw words like bigot and ignorant around' because in this context they are perfectly accurate descriptors of these people. As for anti-nazi protestors - which ones? If you meant the Intifa mob, then yes, I believe they are - because they also are labouring under ignorance.

Do you appreciate the irony in labeling another group of people ignorant bigots without really knowing why?

freediver wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 12:46pm:

Kat wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 5:14am: freediver wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 7:13pm: So you haven't really stopped to think about it? You just like to throw around words like ignorant and bigoted, but to your credit you have learnt not to say racist? Would you use these words to describe anti-Nazi protesters? Oh, I've thought about it all right. Unlike some. And I 'throw words like bigot and ignorant around' because in this context they are perfectly accurate descriptors of these people. As for anti-nazi protestors - which ones? If you meant the Intifa mob, then yes, I believe they are - because they also are labouring under ignorance. Do you appreciate the irony in labeling another group of people ignorant bigots without really knowing why?

Oh I think he knows why FD - not everyone tiptoes around the constant stream of Islamophobic rhetoric with their hands over their ears screaming "lalala I'm not listening! Its all legitimate criticism of ideas!" - like you do.


moses wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 4:39pm:

The result to day is that if there's 1.5 billion muslims, half are men 750 million inbred low intellect muslim men all squatting down to urinate, murdering people to emulate muhammad.

- some people actually notice this sort of crap you know FD - even if you trip over yourself to avoid it.

So far the only explanation Kat has given for why 90% of them are ignorant bigots is that they are ignorant bigots. Sounds like prejudice to me.

There is no doubting there is a problem with radical Islam all over the world....I see nothing wrong with pointing this out and calling it for what it is....However just like I don't condemn all religious people for the failings of the few I stand by those who worship in peace!!!

:) :) :)

Never confuse the faith with the supposedly faithful.
Randy K. Milholland, Something Positive Comic, 10-19-06

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 3:11pm:

red baron wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 2:50pm: No, they are the poor slobs who have to go and deal with these excuses for human excrement. So that dainty little darlings like you are safe and cosy in your worm holes. Your perspicacity has won you a bag of donut holes. Sorry I couldn't offer you your usual gift box of Bondi Cigars. My production manager Lisa Jones is falling down on the job. Lisa is consumed with her latest innovation: turning wet farts into a consumer product.

Miam miam.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 2:41pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 12:46pm: Kat wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 5:14am: freediver wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 7:13pm: So you haven't really stopped to think about it? You just like to throw around words like ignorant and bigoted, but to your credit you have learnt not to say racist? Would you use these words to describe anti-Nazi protesters? Oh, I've thought about it all right. Unlike some. And I 'throw words like bigot and ignorant around' because in this context they are perfectly accurate descriptors of these people. As for anti-nazi protestors - which ones? If you meant the Intifa mob, then yes, I believe they are - because they also are labouring under ignorance. Do you appreciate the irony in labeling another group of people ignorant bigots without really knowing why? Oh I think he knows why FD - not everyone tiptoes around the constant stream of Islamophobic rhetoric with their hands over their ears screaming "lalala I'm not listening! Its all legitimate criticism of ideas!" - like you do. moses wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 4:39pm: The result to day is that if there's 1.5 billion muslims, half are men 750 million inbred low intellect muslim men all squatting down to urinate, murdering people to emulate muhammad. - some people actually notice this sort of crap you know FD - even if you trip over yourself to avoid it.

Yes, but you’re allowed to say that. Islam is not a race.

freediver wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 8:05pm:

So far the only explanation Kat has given for why 90% of them are ignorant bigots is that they are ignorant bigots. Sounds like prejudice to me.

They’re racists, FD. They want to take away the freeeedoms of decent white people everywhere.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 8:38pm:

There is no doubting there is a problem with radical Islam all over the world....I see nothing wrong with pointing this out and calling it for what it is....However just like I don't condemn all religious people for the failings of the few I stand by those who worship in peace!!! :) :) :) Never confuse the faith with the supposedly faithful. Randy K. Milholland, Something Positive Comic, 10-19-06

Sounds to me like you are confusing the faith with the faithful. Is it "radical Muslims" or "radical Islam" that you really have a problem with?

Do you have a problem with Islam?

freediver wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 9:36pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 8:38pm: There is no doubting there is a problem with radical Islam all over the world....I see nothing wrong with pointing this out and calling it for what it is....However just like I don't condemn all religious people for the failings of the few I stand by those who worship in peace!!! :) :) :) Never confuse the faith with the supposedly faithful. Randy K. Milholland, Something Positive Comic, 10-19-06 Sounds to me like you are confusing the faith with the faithful. Is it "radical Muslims" or "radical Islam" that you really have a problem with? Do you have a problem with Islam?

No!!!

:) :) :)

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 9:40pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 9:36pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 8:38pm: There is no doubting there is a problem with radical Islam all over the world....I see nothing wrong with pointing this out and calling it for what it is....However just like I don't condemn all religious people for the failings of the few I stand by those who worship in peace!!! :) :) :) Never confuse the faith with the supposedly faithful. Randy K. Milholland, Something Positive Comic, 10-19-06 Sounds to me like you are confusing the faith with the faithful. Is it "radical Muslims" or "radical Islam" that you really have a problem with? Do you have a problem with Islam? No!!! :) :) :)

Well they have a problem with you  :)

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 9:40pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 9:36pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 8:38pm: There is no doubting there is a problem with radical Islam all over the world....I see nothing wrong with pointing this out and calling it for what it is....However just like I don't condemn all religious people for the failings of the few I stand by those who worship in peace!!! :) :) :) Never confuse the faith with the supposedly faithful. Randy K. Milholland, Something Positive Comic, 10-19-06 Sounds to me like you are confusing the faith with the faithful. Is it "radical Muslims" or "radical Islam" that you really have a problem with? Do you have a problem with Islam? No!!! :) :) :)

Ah.....

I see that you are in agreement with easel .

Well, 1/2 so.....

easel said...
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1444209868/6#6

Quote:

There is nothing wrong with Muslims or Islam.

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 9:58am:

More Muslim hate from Yadda.

But i've told you Sun,      ....i'm not a moslem.

I'm not even a moslem impersonator!


:)

Yadda wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 10:37pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 9:40pm: freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 9:36pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 8:38pm: There is no doubting there is a problem with radical Islam all over the world....I see nothing wrong with pointing this out and calling it for what it is....However just like I don't condemn all religious people for the failings of the few I stand by those who worship in peace!!! :) :) :) Never confuse the faith with the supposedly faithful. Randy K. Milholland, Something Positive Comic, 10-19-06 Sounds to me like you are confusing the faith with the faithful. Is it "radical Muslims" or "radical Islam" that you really have a problem with? Do you have a problem with Islam? No!!! :) :) :) Ah..... I see that you are in agreement with easel . Well, 1/2 so..... easel said... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1444209868/6#6 Quote: There is nothing wrong with Muslims or Islam.

I never said there was not a problem with Islam....Perhaps you should try to read what people write instead of trying to prove a point???

::) ::) ::)

This is what i read, philperth.



philperth2010 wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 9:40pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 9:36pm: ..... ..... Do you have a problem with Islam? No!!! :) :) :)

Yadda wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 11:13pm:

This is what i read, philperth. philperth2010 wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 9:40pm: freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 9:36pm: ..... ..... Do you have a problem with Islam? No!!! :) :) :)

Yadda is a paid propagator of Muslim hate rants.

Yadda wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 11:13pm:

This is what i read, philperth. philperth2010 wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 9:40pm: freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 9:36pm: ..... ..... Do you have a problem with Islam? No!!! :) :) :)

Still having a problem with your comprehension....I clarified there is a problem with radical Islam as there is with all radicalisation in religion....Taking one statement out of context is something you do very poorly....The thread reads Islam Vs Free speech in Australia....Take your crap back to Israel were people will not challenge your hatred!!!

8-) 8-) 8-)

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 11:17pm:

Yadda wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 11:13pm: This is what i read, philperth. philperth2010 wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 9:40pm: freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 9:36pm: ..... ..... Do you have a problem with Islam? No!!! :) :) :) Yadda is a paid propagator of Muslim hate rants.

'So certain are you.'

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 11:20pm:

Yadda wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 11:13pm: This is what i read, philperth. philperth2010 wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 9:40pm: freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 9:36pm: ..... ..... Do you have a problem with Islam? No!!! :) :) :) Still having a problem with your comprehension....I clarified there is a problem with radical Islam as there is with all radicalisation in religion....Taking one statement out of context is something you do very poorly....The thread reads Islam Vs Free speech in Australia....Take your crap back to Israel were people will not challenge your hatred!!! 8-) 8-) 8-)

Ah, those hateful Jews eh!!!!!

They are lucky.

They are the luckiest people on the planet today.


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Numbers 22:9
And God came unto Balaam, and said, What men are these with thee?
10  And Balaam said unto God, Balak the son of Zippor, king of Moab, hath sent unto me, saying,
11  Behold, there is a people come out of Egypt, which covereth the face of the earth: come now, curse me them; peradventure I shall be able to overcome them, and drive them out.
12  And God said unto Balaam, Thou shalt not go with them; thou shalt not curse the people: for they are blessed.



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IMAGE....
http://www.protestwarrior.com/nimages/signs/large/pw_sign_22.gif

Yadda wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 11:29pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 11:20pm: Yadda wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 11:13pm: This is what i read, philperth. philperth2010 wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 9:40pm: freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 9:36pm: ..... ..... Do you have a problem with Islam? No!!! :) :) :) Still having a problem with your comprehension....I clarified there is a problem with radical Islam as there is with all radicalisation in religion....Taking one statement out of context is something you do very poorly....The thread reads Islam Vs Free speech in Australia....Take your crap back to Israel were people will not challenge your hatred!!! 8-) 8-) 8-) Ah, those hateful Jews eh!!!!! They are lucky. They are the luckiest people on the planet today. . Numbers 22:9 And God came unto Balaam, and said, What men are these with thee? 10  And Balaam said unto God, Balak the son of Zippor, king of Moab, hath sent unto me, saying, 11  Behold, there is a people come out of Egypt, which covereth the face of the earth: come now, curse me them; peradventure I shall be able to overcome them, and drive them out. 12  And God said unto Balaam, Thou shalt not go with them; thou shalt not curse the people: for they are blessed. . IMAGE.... http://www.protestwarrior.com/nimages/signs/large/pw_sign_22.gif

As I said there is a problem with radicalisation in all religions....I never said all Jews were hateful just you....Thank you for proving my point!!!

:) :) :)

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 11:43pm:

As I said there is a problem with radicalisation in all religions.... I never said all Jews were hateful just you.... Thank you for proving my point!!! :) :) :)

LOL



philperth2010,

And what point, exactly, do you think that i have proven for you ?

Please elaborate, and convince us all, of your worthy and 'certain' hypothesis.           :)

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 11:17pm:

Yadda wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 11:13pm: This is what i read, philperth. philperth2010 wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 9:40pm: freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 9:36pm: ..... ..... Do you have a problem with Islam? No!!! :) :) :) Yadda is a paid propagator of Muslim hate rants.

i dont see it that way.
if yadda posts excerpts from the koran and THESE are hateful, it really is not up to you to "shoot the messenger"

the solution is this

moderate muslims need to seize the agenda and be pro active in leading rallies, screaming down megaphones etc etc that they see the radical islamic elements as the enemy .

they need to get loud and proud.

they have plenty of ammunition.

it seems the islamic radicals have butchered dozens of children with downs syndrome in their latest purge.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/isis-issues-order-killing-children-7004891

post #73
Well said aquascoot !



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And;
"if yadda posts excerpts from the koran and THESE are hateful,"

....then isn't that hatred, a reflection upon the hatred inherent within ISLAM ?

Which is the point i am constantly trying to drive home,       .....in all of my posts relating to ISLAM, here on OzPol.       ......duh!

But that is the point, which the political left is never willing to acknowledge, nor confront.




IMAGE...
http://pickeringpost.com/kyola/resources/articles/Ninevah_ISIS_Gay_Execution-1200x700_c.jpg

Depicted, in the image above,     ....an aspect of ISLAMIC doctrine which the political left refuse to confront.

Though being 'gay', is one of the human rights which the political left always seek to defend, here, within the political [and the safe legislative] environment which exists within all Western nations.

The political left - what a bunch of absolute, craven hypocrites they really all are !

freediver wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 8:05pm:

So far the only explanation Kat has given for why 90% of them are ignorant bigots is that they are ignorant bigots. Sounds like prejudice to me.

I suppose 'ignorant' and 'bigot' could be considered subjective. So the question for you FD is what do you consider ignorant and bigoted? Is it like how you treat racism - ie not existent to the point where we ridicule it with really clever words like "wacist" whenever its mentioned?

I'm guessing Kat looks at the constant stream of comments from Yadda and Sprint and others. Many people would consider the comments by these posters as ignorant and bigoted. What do you think FD? Is saying things like every single muslim in a latent wannabe homocidal maniac bigoted? Or is saying that all muslims in Australia should be deported bigoted? Or how about labelling an assault by 15 thugs on a shop owner and his wife in Scotland for what happened in Paris as "totally justified"?

I'm genuinely interested in what you would consider ignorant and/or bigoted in regards to anti-Islamic rhetoric, because you have been notably silent on the topic. You seem to  be only interested in mocking the claim that anti-Islamic rhetoric can be bigoted or racist or ignorant - whenever it comes up.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 9:12am:

I suppose 'ignorant' and 'bigot' could be considered subjective. ..... ..... I'm guessing Kat looks at the constant stream of comments from Yadda and Sprint and others. Many people would consider the comments by these posters as ignorant and bigoted. What do you think FD? Is saying things like every single muslim in a latent wannabe homocidal maniac bigoted?

gandalf,

You call me a bigot       [...which i do deny].

And yet, you yourself, you deny the very real obligations, which are imposed upon you [by your deity, no less!!!, as per the content of the Koran], in remaining, being a moslem,

Why is that gandalf.

Why do you brush off, every reference, to your religious obligations of a moslem ?



e.g.

http://pickeringpost.com/story/the-apologist-for-islam-better-start-apologising/5676

Quote:

1. Is Mohamed the supreme example of a human being? 2. Does the Qur'an command muslims to 'obey Allah and the messenger?' 3. Do you follow the example of Mohamed? 4. Are you a true muslim if you reject the example of Mohamed and disobey the Qur'an?

gandalf,

You call me hateful and bigoted.....
[.....because of my analysis of ISLAM, and ISLAM's scripture, and because of my opinion, of what is motivating the vicious and inhuman behaviour of many moslems,      ....always, in those places, 'moslem lands', where moslems find themselves unrestrained by 'things' like Western laws.]

And yet, you YOURSELF, absolutely refuse to acknowledge the hatred and the religious bigotry which is inherent within ISLAM.

And you refuse to acknowledge the legitimate ISLAMIC authority of, and the existence of, the hatred and the religious bigotry which is seen throughout almost all of authorised ISLAMIC scripture.



e.g.

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4



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ISLAMIC LAW....            !!!!!!!

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."



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gandalf,

You call me a bigot       [...which i do deny].

I call you, hypocrite, and, a denier of truth.

You are an infidel, imo.



Look the word up in a dictionary gandalf.



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gandalf, referring to my own statements.....

Quote:

.....Is saying things like every single muslim in a latent wannabe homocidal maniac bigoted?

Yaddas mitigation.....

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CRIMINAL INTENT, IN THE MOSLEM HEART
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1252898491/0#0

Quote:

Every moslem in Australia [and indeed, every moslem on the planet], by self declaring as a moslem, is self declaring a criminal intent [by our laws] against local non-moslems. ISLAM is a criminal compact among moslems, to wage a violent 'religious' war against non-moslems ['disbelievers']. .....Basically, fundamentally, all ISLAMIC doctrine translates as enmity, and encourages [criminal] violence, towards ALL non-moslems.

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1

Quote:

"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac" - Yadda QUESTION; What about the innocent moslems ? IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems. How so [logically] ? QUESTION; How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ? QUESTION; How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],      ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ? QUESTION; How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],     ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

translation: gandalf you are a bigot because you believe what I say you believe. Not because of anything you've actually said mind you.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 10:01am:

translation: gandalf you are a bigot            ......because you believe what I say you believe. Not because of anything you've actually said mind you.

gandalf,

IMO, you are a moslem.

Why so [logically] ?

Because you do, self-declare, as being a moslem.

And, imo, it is that condition which also makes you a religious bigot.




Why so [logically] ?

--------- >

Every moslem, is a moslem.

Every moslem, who self-declares, who insists, that he is a moslem,      .....is a person who is declaring that he chooses to follow and support ISLAM.

As a moslem, he/she is thereby choosing to follow and support what ISLAM is.

That is what a moslem is.



And, he does agree with, and support ALL of ISLAM's tenets and laws.

That is what a moslem is.


And every moslem reveres the example of Mohammed [Allah's messenger],     .... and every moslem is taught [from childhood] by his religion, that he aught to follow the example of Mohammed's life.      !!!!!

That is what a moslem is.



THE LIFE OF MOHAMMED [Allah's messenger], IS AN EXAMPLE TO THE MOSLEM,

.....IT IS AN EXAMPLE WHICH DECLARES, THAT MURDERING DISBELIEVERS, FOR YOUR 'RELIGION' IS HALAL [permitted]....

THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260



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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1414013899/0#0

Quote:

A moslem, is a person who chooses to embrace a philosophy [ISLAM], which teaches them [moslems] that it is 'lawful' for them [moslems], to kill those, who do not believe, as they believe. That is what a moslem is.

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/21#21

Quote:

THE PERSON WHO DECLARES HIMSELF TO BE, A MOSLEM  ------- > By definition, 'the moslem' is a person who 'subscribes' to the tenets and laws and 'ideals' of ISLAM. That, is the essential definition of a 'moslem'. And these monsters [moslems] live among us.

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Yadda said....

Quote:

All moslems are monsters in human form, imo. How do i justify such an accusation ? --------> Where is Tony-missing-in-action-Abbott ??? http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1421158879/6#6

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 9:12am:

freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 8:05pm: So far the only explanation Kat has given for why 90% of them are ignorant bigots is that they are ignorant bigots. Sounds like prejudice to me. I suppose 'ignorant' and 'bigot' could be considered subjective. So the question for you FD is what do you consider ignorant and bigoted? Is it like how you treat racism - ie not existent to the point where we ridicule it with really clever words like "wacist" whenever its mentioned? I'm guessing Kat looks at the constant stream of comments from Yadda and Sprint and others. Many people would consider the comments by these posters as ignorant and bigoted. What do you think FD? Is saying things like every single muslim in a latent wannabe homocidal maniac bigoted? Or is saying that all muslims in Australia should be deported bigoted? Or how about labelling an assault by 15 thugs on a shop owner and his wife in Scotland for what happened in Paris as "totally justified"? I'm genuinely interested in what you would consider ignorant and/or bigoted in regards to anti-Islamic rhetoric, because you have been notably silent on the topic. You seem to  be only interested in mocking the claim that anti-Islamic rhetoric can be bigoted or racist or ignorant - whenever it comes up.

Now now, G. Islam is not a race, so you can't be bigoted. Moslem == a follower of Islam, so it's perfectly justifiable to ban them, kill them, nuke them, etc.

The old boy favours intelligence and integrity, so the Muselman must be bashed, killed, carpetbombed, etc.

FD favours Freeeeedom, so Muslims must be detained, attacked, killed, etc, before they take away the freeeeeedoms of decent white people everywhere.

Herbie favours neo-Nazism, so Muslims need to be rounded up and gassed with their apologist friends in the fullness of time.

Y favours Karmic Christianity, so the Moslem needs to be stoned, burned, drowned, etc, and then sent to hell.

Sprint and Moses favour Christianity too. Your Muslim needs to be annihilated in a new holy war.

It may not happen overnight, G, but it will happen.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 9:40pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 9:36pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 8:38pm: There is no doubting there is a problem with radical Islam all over the world....I see nothing wrong with pointing this out and calling it for what it is....However just like I don't condemn all religious people for the failings of the few I stand by those who worship in peace!!! :) :) :) Never confuse the faith with the supposedly faithful. Randy K. Milholland, Something Positive Comic, 10-19-06 Sounds to me like you are confusing the faith with the faithful. Is it "radical Muslims" or "radical Islam" that you really have a problem with? Do you have a problem with Islam? No!!! :) :) :)

Are you saying you have no problem with Muslim terrorists, for example?

What in your mind is the difference between radical and non-radical Islam?


Quote:

I never said there was not a problem with Islam....

So you do have a problem with Islam?


Quote:

Perhaps you should try to read what people write instead of trying to prove a point???

Perhaps you could try to make sense.


Quote:

I suppose 'ignorant' and 'bigot' could be considered subjective. So the question for you FD is what do you consider ignorant and bigoted?

Thanks Gandalf. I can trust you to turn my efforts to make sense of Kat's posts around to a demand for me to clarify. Perhaps an example will do. Kat's post accusing a group of people of being ignorant and bigoted, without having a clue why, is ignorant and bigoted.


Quote:

I'm guessing Kat looks at the constant stream of comments from Yadda and Sprint and others.

She was not referring to them Gandalf.


Quote:

translation: gandalf you are a bigot because you believe what I say you believe. Not because of anything you've actually said mind you.

Gandalf can you apply the same logic to Kat's criticism of a bunch of people she doesn't know?

freediver wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 12:52pm:

Thanks Gandalf. I can trust you to turn my efforts to make sense of Kat's posts around to a demand for me to clarify. Perhaps an example will do. Kat's post accusing a group of people of being ignorant and bigoted, without having a clue why, is ignorant and bigoted.

It makes perfect sense to anyone not covering their ears and shouting "lalala! its all legitimate criticism of ideas!" I agree with Kat that 90% of anti-Islam rhetoric is bigoted and ignorant - a point that needs no clarification for anyone who hasn't got their heads buried in the sand. I referred to examples on this board because I believe they are representative of the general wider discourse on the subject. By the way, do you consider those examples I cited as bigoted? You haven't said.

freediver wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 12:52pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 9:40pm: freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 9:36pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 8:38pm: There is no doubting there is a problem with radical Islam all over the world....I see nothing wrong with pointing this out and calling it for what it is....However just like I don't condemn all religious people for the failings of the few I stand by those who worship in peace!!! :) :) :) Never confuse the faith with the supposedly faithful. Randy K. Milholland, Something Positive Comic, 10-19-06 Sounds to me like you are confusing the faith with the faithful. Is it "radical Muslims" or "radical Islam" that you really have a problem with? Do you have a problem with Islam? No!!! :) :) :) Are you saying you have no problem with Muslim terrorists, for example? What in your mind is the difference between radical and non-radical Islam? Quote: I never said there was not a problem with Islam.... So you do have a problem with Islam? [quote]Perhaps you should try to read what people write instead of trying to prove a point???

Perhaps you could try to make sense.


Quote:

I suppose 'ignorant' and 'bigot' could be considered subjective. So the question for you FD is what do you consider ignorant and bigoted?

Thanks Gandalf. I can trust you to turn my efforts to make sense of Kat's posts around to a demand for me to clarify. Perhaps an example will do. Kat's post accusing a group of people of being ignorant and bigoted, without having a clue why, is ignorant and bigoted.


Quote:

I'm guessing Kat looks at the constant stream of comments from Yadda and Sprint and others.

She was not referring to them Gandalf.


Quote:

translation: gandalf you are a bigot because you believe what I say you believe. Not because of anything you've actually said mind you.

Gandalf can you apply the same logic to Kat's criticism of a bunch of people she doesn't know?[/quote]

Good point, FD. If you can't get G to agree, try working on Phil for a few pages.

You can always go back to G, as you have. You'll get him eventually. If he ignores you, make something up. That usually works.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 1:17pm:

[quote author=freediver link=1449980422/80#80 date=1450147929] By the way, do you consider those examples I cited as bigoted? You haven't said.

Of course not, G. It's all about the ideas. You can't be bigoted against the Muselman. FD says that all the time. The Muselman is not a race, you know.

It's all about Freeeedom. The only thing you're allowed to say is ban them, kill them, nuke them.

Once again for FD....


Quote:

There is no doubting there is a problem with radical Islam all over the world....I see nothing wrong with pointing this out and calling it for what it is....However just like I don't condemn all religious people for the failings of the few I stand by those who worship in peace!!! :) :) :) Never confuse the faith with the supposedly faithful. Randy K. Milholland, Something Positive Comic, 10-19-06

I differentiate between radical nut jobs who use religion to promote hatred and see no problem pointing this out....I will not condemn all religious people for the actions of a few....What I do not do is throw bullshit semantics up to try and distort the real meanings of other peoples posts....I have made my point and do not need to indulge in a pissing contest with anyone!!!

:) :) :)

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 1:17pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 15th, 2015 at 12:52pm: Thanks Gandalf. I can trust you to turn my efforts to make sense of Kat's posts around to a demand for me to clarify. Perhaps an example will do. Kat's post accusing a group of people of being ignorant and bigoted, without having a clue why, is ignorant and bigoted. It makes perfect sense to anyone not covering their ears and shouting "lalala! its all legitimate criticism of ideas!" I agree with Kat that 90% of anti-Islam rhetoric is bigoted and ignorant - a point that needs no clarification for anyone who hasn't got their heads buried in the sand. I referred to examples on this board because I believe they are representative of the general wider discourse on the subject. By the way, do you consider those examples I cited as bigoted? You haven't said.

Again, that is not what Kat actually said. If you are going to agree with someone, you could at least check what you are agreeing with.


Quote:

I differentiate between radical nut jobs who use religion to promote hatred and see no problem pointing this out....

OK then, what is the difference? Is like asking what is the difference between a duck?


Quote:

What I do not do is throw bullshit semantics up to try and distort the real meanings of other peoples posts....

I am not trying to distort the meaning of what you posted, I am trying to make sense of it. You are all over the place. That is the whole point of semantics - words have meanings, and if you choose the wrong one, people will hear the opposite of what you intended.

freediver wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 7:56pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 15th, 2015 at 1:17pm: freediver wrote on Dec 15th, 2015 at 12:52pm: Thanks Gandalf. I can trust you to turn my efforts to make sense of Kat's posts around to a demand for me to clarify. Perhaps an example will do. Kat's post accusing a group of people of being ignorant and bigoted, without having a clue why, is ignorant and bigoted. It makes perfect sense to anyone not covering their ears and shouting "lalala! its all legitimate criticism of ideas!" I agree with Kat that 90% of anti-Islam rhetoric is bigoted and ignorant - a point that needs no clarification for anyone who hasn't got their heads buried in the sand. I referred to examples on this board because I believe they are representative of the general wider discourse on the subject. By the way, do you consider those examples I cited as bigoted? You haven't said. Again, that is not what Kat actually said. If you are going to agree with someone, you could at least check what you are agreeing with. Quote: I differentiate between radical nut jobs who use religion to promote hatred and see no problem pointing this out.... OK then, what is the difference? Is like asking what is the difference between a duck? [quote]What I do not do is throw bullshit semantics up to try and distort the real meanings of other peoples posts....

I am not trying to distort the meaning of what you posted, I am trying to make sense of it. You are all over the place. That is the whole point of semantics - words have meanings, and if you choose the wrong one, people will hear the opposite of what you intended.[/quote]

Tell me FD is your problem with Islam or religion in general???

:-? :-? :-?

Here you go fd...


Kat wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 7:00pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 6:56pm: Kat wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 3:47pm: BlueBeard wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 2:31pm: by the way just to make things clear to the numbskulls Islam is not a race you can't be a racists by speaking out of its evils ok? duh  ::) No, but I'm sick of hearing this bullsh1t excuse from the bigots to try to justify their ignorance, bigotry and Islamophobia. It mightn't be racist, but it is ignorant and bigoted. What exactly is ignorant and bigoted? 90% if the anti-Islam rhetoric being thrown around the place.

looks like kat said exactly what i claimed he/she said (highlighted). And i agree 100% with it.

Don't you think it is a little odd to describe statements as ignorant?


Quote:

Tell me FD is your problem with Islam or religion in general???

Islam in particular.

Am I right that you claim to not have a problem with Islamic extremists?

You appeared to be attempting to make a distinction between radical Islam and some other Islam. What do you see as the difference?

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 9:17pm:

Don't you think it is a little odd to describe statements as ignorant? Quote: Tell me FD is your problem with Islam or religion in general??? Islam in particular. Am I right that you claim to not have a problem with Islamic extremists? You appeared to be attempting to make a distinction between radical Islam and some other Islam. What do you see as the difference?

Were did I claim not to have a problem with Islamic extremists???

I believe your argument stems from the belief that Islam is an extremist religion and thus anyone who practices it is an extremist by association....If that is your view you are entitled to it and I will not try to convince you otherwise!!!

::) ::) ::)

Never try to reason the prejudice out of a man. It was not reasoned into him, and cannot be reasoned out.
Sydney Smith (1771 - 1845)

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 9:40pm:

Never try to reason the prejudice out of a man. It was not reasoned into him, and cannot be reasoned out. Sydney Smith (1771 - 1845)

That is an excellent quote.

mothra wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 9:41pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 9:40pm: Never try to reason the prejudice out of a man. It was not reasoned into him, and cannot be reasoned out. Sydney Smith (1771 - 1845) That is an excellent quote.

I have another one for you Mothra....

If religion is not part of the solution it is part of the problem!!!
Philperth2010

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 9:40pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 9:17pm: Don't you think it is a little odd to describe statements as ignorant? Quote: Tell me FD is your problem with Islam or religion in general??? Islam in particular. Am I right that you claim to not have a problem with Islamic extremists? You appeared to be attempting to make a distinction between radical Islam and some other Islam. What do you see as the difference? Were did I claim not to have a problem with Islamic extremists??? I believe your argument stems from the belief that Islam is an extremist religion and thus anyone who practices it is an extremist by association....If that is your view you are entitled to it and I will not try to convince you otherwise!!! ::) ::) ::) Never try to reason the prejudice out of a man. It was not reasoned into him, and cannot be reasoned out. Sydney Smith (1771 - 1845)

You said the problem was "radical Islam" and not to confuse the faith with the faithful, then descended into gibberish when asked for an explanation.

My 'argument' stems from all the nasty things that Muhammed did and said. Not that I have actually made any argument in this thread - just trying to figure out what you are on about. You are the one waffling endlessly on about "radical" and "extreme" Islam without knowing what you mean by these things.

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 10:28pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 9:40pm: freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 9:17pm: Don't you think it is a little odd to describe statements as ignorant? Quote: Tell me FD is your problem with Islam or religion in general??? Islam in particular. Am I right that you claim to not have a problem with Islamic extremists? You appeared to be attempting to make a distinction between radical Islam and some other Islam. What do you see as the difference? Were did I claim not to have a problem with Islamic extremists??? I believe your argument stems from the belief that Islam is an extremist religion and thus anyone who practices it is an extremist by association....If that is your view you are entitled to it and I will not try to convince you otherwise!!! ::) ::) ::) Never try to reason the prejudice out of a man. It was not reasoned into him, and cannot be reasoned out. Sydney Smith (1771 - 1845) You said the problem was "radical Islam" and not to confuse the faith with the faithful, then descended into gibberish when asked for an explanation. My 'argument' stems from all the nasty things that Muhammed did and said..

That, and they want to take away the freeeedoms of decent white people everywhere.

Don’t forget, FD, Islam is not a race. These people are tinted.

Karnal wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 10:49pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 10:28pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 9:40pm: freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 9:17pm: Don't you think it is a little odd to describe statements as ignorant? Quote: Tell me FD is your problem with Islam or religion in general??? Islam in particular. Am I right that you claim to not have a problem with Islamic extremists? You appeared to be attempting to make a distinction between radical Islam and some other Islam. What do you see as the difference? Were did I claim not to have a problem with Islamic extremists??? I believe your argument stems from the belief that Islam is an extremist religion and thus anyone who practices it is an extremist by association....If that is your view you are entitled to it and I will not try to convince you otherwise!!! ::) ::) ::) Never try to reason the prejudice out of a man. It was not reasoned into him, and cannot be reasoned out. Sydney Smith (1771 - 1845) You said the problem was "radical Islam" and not to confuse the faith with the faithful, then descended into gibberish when asked for an explanation. My 'argument' stems from all the nasty things that Muhammed did and said.. That, and they want to take away the freeeedoms of decent white people everywhere. Don’t forget, FD, Islam is not a race. These people are tinted.

Ban them. Deport them. Burn down their mosques.

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 10:28pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 9:40pm: freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 9:17pm: Don't you think it is a little odd to describe statements as ignorant? Quote: Tell me FD is your problem with Islam or religion in general??? Islam in particular. Am I right that you claim to not have a problem with Islamic extremists? You appeared to be attempting to make a distinction between radical Islam and some other Islam. What do you see as the difference? Were did I claim not to have a problem with Islamic extremists??? I believe your argument stems from the belief that Islam is an extremist religion and thus anyone who practices it is an extremist by association....If that is your view you are entitled to it and I will not try to convince you otherwise!!! ::) ::) ::) Never try to reason the prejudice out of a man. It was not reasoned into him, and cannot be reasoned out. Sydney Smith (1771 - 1845) You said the problem was "radical Islam" and not to confuse the faith with the faithful, then descended into gibberish when asked for an explanation. My 'argument' stems from all the nasty things that Muhammed did and said. Not that I have actually made any argument in this thread - just trying to figure out what you are on about. You are the one waffling endlessly on about "radical" and "extreme" Islam without knowing what you mean by these things.

I know Muslims (People who follow Islam) who are very nice people (Not FD) and believe they have a right to follow what ever bullshit they want....You on the other hand condemn all Muslims for the acts of extremists (People with extreme views)....Using your flawed analogy all Catholics are paedophiles (Catholic Priests) or at least support that behaviour...I know what I mean but you have no idea do you???

::) ::) ::)

It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument.
William G. McAdoo (1863 - 1941)

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 10:28pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 9:40pm: freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 9:17pm: Don't you think it is a little odd to describe statements as ignorant? Quote: Tell me FD is your problem with Islam or religion in general??? Islam in particular. Am I right that you claim to not have a problem with Islamic extremists? You appeared to be attempting to make a distinction between radical Islam and some other Islam. What do you see as the difference? Were did I claim not to have a problem with Islamic extremists??? I believe your argument stems from the belief that Islam is an extremist religion and thus anyone who practices it is an extremist by association....If that is your view you are entitled to it and I will not try to convince you otherwise!!! ::) ::) ::) Never try to reason the prejudice out of a man. It was not reasoned into him, and cannot be reasoned out. Sydney Smith (1771 - 1845) You said the problem was "radical Islam" and not to confuse the faith with the faithful, then descended into gibberish when asked for an explanation. My 'argument' stems from all the nasty things that Muhammed did and said. Not that I have actually made any argument in this thread - just trying to figure out what you are on about. You are the one waffling endlessly on about "radical" and "extreme" Islam without knowing what you mean by these things.

Who is Muhammed???

:-? :-? :-?

It is not necessary to understand things in order to argue about them.
Pierre Beaumarchais (1732 - 1799)

It's just a variation of the spelling  ::)

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 9:17pm:

Don't you think it is a little odd to describe statements as ignorant?

umm no. That statement is odd though

At least we've moved on from your idiotic line that I didn't know what Kat said.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 11:00pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 10:28pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 9:40pm: freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 9:17pm: Don't you think it is a little odd to describe statements as ignorant? Quote: Tell me FD is your problem with Islam or religion in general??? Islam in particular. Am I right that you claim to not have a problem with Islamic extremists? You appeared to be attempting to make a distinction between radical Islam and some other Islam. What do you see as the difference? Were did I claim not to have a problem with Islamic extremists??? I believe your argument stems from the belief that Islam is an extremist religion and thus anyone who practices it is an extremist by association....If that is your view you are entitled to it and I will not try to convince you otherwise!!! ::) ::) ::) Never try to reason the prejudice out of a man. It was not reasoned into him, and cannot be reasoned out. Sydney Smith (1771 - 1845) You said the problem was "radical Islam" and not to confuse the faith with the faithful, then descended into gibberish when asked for an explanation. My 'argument' stems from all the nasty things that Muhammed did and said. Not that I have actually made any argument in this thread - just trying to figure out what you are on about. You are the one waffling endlessly on about "radical" and "extreme" Islam without knowing what you mean by these things. I know Muslims (People who follow Islam) who are very nice people (Not FD) and believe they have a right to follow what ever bullshit they want....You on the other hand condemn all Muslims for the acts of extremists (People with extreme views)....Using your flawed analogy all Catholics are paedophiles (Catholic Priests) or at least support that behaviour...I know what I mean but you have no idea do you??? ::) ::) ::) It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument. William G. McAdoo (1863 - 1941)

phil - try to take the islamics out of islam.
the calls for violence out of the Koran
the violence moh did out of history.

you are living a fantasy world.
100's are murdered by muslims

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 11:00pm:

I know Muslims (People who follow Islam) who are very nice people (Not FD) and believe they have a right to follow what ever bullshit they want....

ISLAM you mean ???



philperth2010,

QUESTION;

Is your argument in this public forum,        ......that mainstream ISLAMIC doctrines, and that authoritative ISLAMIC scriptures,        .....do not in any way encourage religious bigotry and religious violence ?

And that you believe this,       ......because you "know Muslims (People who follow Islam) who are very nice people",      .....and those moslems who you 'know', have assured you that that circumstance was NOT so ???     !!!!

Is THAT, the argument which you are presenting on this public forum, philperth2010  ?????????



ISLAM = =  ?????????

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"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4



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"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111



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philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 11:00pm:

You on the other hand condemn all Muslims for the acts of extremists (People with extreme views)....

Moslems you mean ???

......who ARE following mainstream ISLAMIC doctrine,       doctrine which has the authority of being sanctioned within ISLAM's foundation religious texts.

Those moslems ????




Or is it your argument, philperth2010,          .....that persons who declare themselves to be moslems, DO NOT actually,        .....respect and follow the DICTATES of their faith  ?????????


Google;
Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."



Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.


philperth2010,

My own proposition and belief,        .....is that;

Every moslem, is a moslem.

Every moslem, who self-declares, and who insists, that he is a moslem,      .....is a person who is declaring that he chooses to follow and support ISLAM's teaching.

And that as a moslem,       ....he/she thereby, is choosing to endorse and support the declared tenets and laws of ISLAM.

That is what a moslem is.        .....imo.




philperth2010,

You seem to be laboring under the mistaken belief,       .....that all of this violent conduct [follow the link below], which is being carried out by myriad and diverse moslem groups,        .....is not sanctioned by mainstream ISLAMIC doctrines, and authoritative ISLAMIC scriptures.

QUESTION;

philperth2010,

Why would you harbour such a belief ?

Is it, because you "know Muslims (People who follow Islam) who are very nice people",      .....and the moslems you 'know', assured you that that circumstance was so ???     !!!!

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THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/





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philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 11:00pm:

Using your flawed analogy all Catholics are paedophiles (Catholic Priests) or at least support that behaviour...I know what I mean but you have no idea do you???

A completely specious argument/proposition philperth2010,       .....as i think that you well know.

Shame on you.       !!!!!



Dictionary;
specious = = superficially plausible, but actually wrong.        misleadingly attractive in appearance.


As you should well know, Jesus Christ [the inspiration for 'Christianity'] forbade the abuse of children.....

Matthew 18:5
.....whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
6  But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

Karnal wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 10:49pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 10:28pm: You said the problem was "radical Islam" and not to confuse the faith with the faithful, then descended into gibberish when asked for an explanation. My 'argument' stems from all the nasty things that Muhammed did and said.. That, and they want to take away the freeeedoms of decent white people everywhere. Don’t forget, FD, Islam is not a race. These people are tinted.

Islam is not a race.                 TRUE

These people are tainted.                 again, TRUE


Dictionary;
taint = =
1 a trace of a bad or undesirable quality or substance       a contaminating influence or effect.
2 an unpleasant smell.



Persons who freely choose to follow ISLAM, are certainly 'tainted',       .....in my opinion.



Yadda said....

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All moslems are monsters in human form, imo. How do i justify such an accusation ? --------> Where is Tony-missing-in-action-Abbott ??? http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1421158879/6#6

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 7:52am:

phil.... ..... you are living a fantasy world. 100's are murdered by muslims

What sprint said!



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THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

mothra wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 10:56pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 10:49pm: freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 10:28pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 9:40pm: freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 9:17pm: Don't you think it is a little odd to describe statements as ignorant? Quote: Tell me FD is your problem with Islam or religion in general??? Islam in particular. Am I right that you claim to not have a problem with Islamic extremists? You appeared to be attempting to make a distinction between radical Islam and some other Islam. What do you see as the difference? Were did I claim not to have a problem with Islamic extremists??? I believe your argument stems from the belief that Islam is an extremist religion and thus anyone who practices it is an extremist by association....If that is your view you are entitled to it and I will not try to convince you otherwise!!! ::) ::) ::) Never try to reason the prejudice out of a man. It was not reasoned into him, and cannot be reasoned out. Sydney Smith (1771 - 1845) You said the problem was "radical Islam" and not to confuse the faith with the faithful, then descended into gibberish when asked for an explanation. My 'argument' stems from all the nasty things that Muhammed did and said.. That, and they want to take away the freeeedoms of decent white people everywhere. Don’t forget, FD, Islam is not a race. These people are tinted. Ban them. Deport them. Burn down their mosques.

the first time I've seen you talk sense

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I know Muslims (People who follow Islam) who are very nice people (Not FD) and believe they have a right to follow what ever bullshit they want....You on the other hand condemn all Muslims for the acts of extremists (People with extreme views)....

There you go, being ignorant again.

What is this distinction between radical/extreme Islam and some other unnamed version of Islam that you keep going on about?


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Who is Muhammed???

You ask this in a thread about Islam?


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umm no. That statement is odd though

Ignorant means lacking knowledge. It is used (rationally) to describe people, not statements.