Its no surprise Murdoch's media is involved. The cartoon is devoid of humor and is insulting.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03525/610_3525906b.jpg

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/12049407/Australian-racist-cartoon-shows-starving-Indians-trying-to-eat-solar-panels.html


Quote:

A newspaper cartoon in Australia showing starving Indians attempting to eat solar panels with mango chutney has been criticised as racist and drawing on “a stereotype from the 1950s”. The cartoon, by Bill Leak, one of the nation’s best-known cartoonists, appeared in The Australian, a daily broadsheet published by Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp which has tended to take a sceptical approach to action on climate change. Chris Kenny, a columnist at the newspaper, told IBTimes India that the cartoon was "mocking the Paris deal for spending aid on climate instead of reducing poverty", adding that "solar panels are not the greatest need in developing world". But the cartoon prompted a tirade of criticism on social media and in the Indian media.

Leak, that's another word for taking a piss isn't it?

The Indian press automatically claims racism for any story about Indians living in Australia.

Remember the Indian man in Melbourne (in 2010) who 'claimed' that he was the victim of a racist attack by 4 Australian men who supposedly poured flammable fluid over him and his car and set them alight????

It was apparently quite ok for an Indian newspaper to depict Australian police as KKK members back then...


(Oh and incidentally, the guy from Melbourne got burned while trying to torch his own car, for the insurance money)

To me the cartoon says that they need food instead of solar panels. That's why they are eating the solar panels. What is racist about that??

the good ole boys wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 11:20am:

To me the cartoon says that they need food instead of solar panels. That's why they are eating the solar panels. What is racist about that??

Yes, that's what it says to anyone with a brain....so lefties are, of course, excluded..

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 11:24am:

the good ole boys wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 11:20am: To me the cartoon says that they need food instead of solar panels. That's why they are eating the solar panels. What is racist about that?? Yes, that's what it says to anyone with a brain....so lefties are, of course, excluded..

They can't help it I suppose. Being dumb is in their genes.

Maybe Leak was expressing the Australian credo of:

'If you can't drink it, fukk it, wear it or eat it, it ain't worth sh1t".

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 11:33am:

Maybe Leak was expressing the Australian credo of: 'If you can't drink it, bugger it, wear it or eat it, it ain't worth sh1t".

Or maybe he was expressing the Human credo of: "There's no point giving starving people  television sets, when what they want and need is a decent meal"??

Leak is a racist that has disgraced himself and Murdoch.

Inaccurate anyway, Indians starve because of their own cultural racism, not because of lack of resources.

ian wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 11:48am:

Inaccurate anyway, Indians starve because of their own cultural racism, not because of lack of resources.

Many more multiples of Indians starved to death under British rule than have starved since. British cultural racism?

the good ole boys wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 11:20am:

To me the cartoon says that they need food instead of solar panels. That's why they are eating the solar panels. What is racist about that??

That’s right, Homo. It also shows these Curries are so stupid they’ll eat anything if it comes with a bit of mango chutney.

It’s not racist.

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 11:44am:

Leak is a racist that has disgraced himself and Murdoch.

Nope, he is not a racist (based on that cartoon) and didn't disgrace anyone other than overly sensitive idiots..

Karnal wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 12:15pm:

the good ole boys wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 11:20am: To me the cartoon says that they need food instead of solar panels. That's why they are eating the solar panels. What is racist about that?? That’s right, Homo. It also shows these Curries are so stupid they’ll eat anything if it comes with a bit of mango chutney. It’s not racist.

Sorry, no Karnal...it shows that the people at the climate change conference are so stupid they think that the poor in India should eat solar panels..

the good ole boys wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 11:26am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 11:24am: the good ole boys wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 11:20am: To me the cartoon says that they need food instead of solar panels. That's why they are eating the solar panels. What is racist about that?? Yes, that's what it says to anyone with a brain....so lefties are, of course, excluded.. They can't help it I suppose. Being dumb is in their genes.

Exactly. Pointing out their inherent genetic mental inferiority can hardly be called racist.

Karnal wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 12:15pm:

the good ole boys wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 11:20am: To me the cartoon says that they need food instead of solar panels. That's why they are eating the solar panels. What is racist about that?? That’s right, Homo. It also shows these Curries are so stupid they’ll eat anything if it comes with a bit of mango chutney. It’s not racist.

You need to think about it on a  deeper Karnal Knowledge. It's making a blunt point and is nothing at all to do with stupid Indians love.

It's not funny.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 12:36pm:

It's not funny.

No, it's satire, aimed at the AGW/IPCC mob.

And as always, we get caught up squabbling over the word 'racist'.

Fine then: implying that Indians are so stupid to think solar panels will be edible with some mango chutney is racist bigoted.

Bill Leak s a family member b marriage and i'm not defending him on this one. It's racist.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 12:51pm:

And as always, we get caught up squabbling over the word 'racist'. Fine then: implying that Indians are so stupid to think solar panels will be edible with some mango chutney is racist bigoted.

And once again...that was NOT the implication.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 12:53pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 12:51pm: And as always, we get caught up squabbling over the word 'racist'. Fine then: implying that Indians are so stupid to think solar panels will be edible with some mango chutney is racist bigoted. And once again...that was NOT the implication.

Clearly it was.

mothra wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 12:53pm:

Bill Leak s a family member b marriage and i'm not defending him on this one. It's racist.

Poor bastard  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

mothra wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 12:57pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 12:53pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 12:51pm: And as always, we get caught up squabbling over the word 'racist'. Fine then: implying that Indians are so stupid to think solar panels will be edible with some mango chutney is racist bigoted. And once again...that was NOT the implication. Clearly it was.

No, "Clearly" (to normal people with functioning brains), it was a comment on the idea of giving hungry people the latest electrical gadgets....when what they actually need/want is FOOD and/or WATER. If you want to help the poor in India, give them crops and seeds with better yields per acre..Not much point in having the power to run your fridge when there's nothing to put in the fridge..

At the moment, giving them the means to light their homes, or power their tv sets doesn't really help the poor people in 3rd world countries, when they don't have enough to eat, or clean drinking water, or even homes that aren't made out of cardboard and plastic...

One of my favourite cartoons comes from Bill Leak.

Two Muslim women in burqas, with one saying to the other "Does my bomb look big in this"?

At the risk of being slammed for being insensitive..it's sort of like giving a deaf person a walkman...

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:24pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 12:57pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 12:53pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 12:51pm: And as always, we get caught up squabbling over the word 'racist'. Fine then: implying that Indians are so stupid to think solar panels will be edible with some mango chutney is racist bigoted. And once again...that was NOT the implication. Clearly it was. No, "Clearly" (to normal people with functioning brains), it was a comment on the idea of giving hungry people the latest electrical gadgets....when what they actually need/want is FOOD and/or WATER. If you want to help the poor in India, give them crops and seeds with better yields per acre..Not much point in having the power to run your fridge when there's nothing to put in the fridge.. At the moment, giving them the means to light their homes, or power their tv sets doesn't really help the poor people in 3rd world countries, when they don't have enough to eat, or clean drinking water, or even homes that aren't made out of cardboard and plastic...

Yet the implication is that these people don't recognise non-edible materials. It infers quite heavily that they are stupid.

mothra wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:38pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 1:24pm: mothra wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 12:57pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 12:53pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 12:51pm: And as always, we get caught up squabbling over the word 'racist'. Fine then: implying that Indians are so stupid to think solar panels will be edible with some mango chutney is racist bigoted. And once again...that was NOT the implication. Clearly it was. No, "Clearly" (to normal people with functioning brains), it was a comment on the idea of giving hungry people the latest electrical gadgets....when what they actually need/want is FOOD and/or WATER. If you want to help the poor in India, give them crops and seeds with better yields per acre..Not much point in having the power to run your fridge when there's nothing to put in the fridge.. At the moment, giving them the means to light their homes, or power their tv sets doesn't really help the poor people in 3rd world countries, when they don't have enough to eat, or clean drinking water, or even homes that aren't made out of cardboard and plastic... Yet the implication is that these people don't recognise non-edible materials. It infers quite heavily that they are stupid.

No, the implication is that they are SOOO hungry that they'll try to eat anything.

Not an inference about their intelligence, just about their desperation.

People who are starving will try to eat tree bark, if they don't have anything else to eat. Doesn't make THEM stupid, it makes the 'wealthy people' who send them tree bark instead of food look stupid..(I mean the UN and the world leaders at COP21 btw)

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:24pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 12:57pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 12:53pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 12:51pm: And as always, we get caught up squabbling over the word 'racist'. Fine then: implying that Indians are so stupid to think solar panels will be edible with some mango chutney is racist bigoted. And once again...that was NOT the implication. Clearly it was. No, "Clearly" (to normal people with functioning brains), it was a comment on the idea of giving hungry people the latest electrical gadgets....when what they actually need/want is FOOD and/or WATER. If you want to help the poor in India, give them crops and seeds with better yields per acre..Not much point in having the power to run your fridge when there's nothing to put in the fridge.. At the moment, giving them the means to light their homes, or power their tv sets doesn't really help the poor people in 3rd world countries, when they don't have enough to eat, or clean drinking water, or even homes that aren't made out of cardboard and plastic...

No one's arguing the validity of the point the cartoon is making - in my view it was a good point to make. But it was also racist. Believe it or not - a cartoon can be making a good point and be racist at the same time.

He should have stopped at "its no good you can't eat them" - that gets the point across perfectly. The inclusion of both the ape-like creature bashing a box with an axe because he's too stupid to know how to open it, as well as the man thinking that mango chutney will make glass and metal edible - is racist to any reasonable person.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:41pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 1:38pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 1:24pm: mothra wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 12:57pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 12:53pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 12:51pm: And as always, we get caught up squabbling over the word 'racist'. Fine then: implying that Indians are so stupid to think solar panels will be edible with some mango chutney is racist bigoted. And once again...that was NOT the implication. Clearly it was. No, "Clearly" (to normal people with functioning brains), it was a comment on the idea of giving hungry people the latest electrical gadgets....when what they actually need/want is FOOD and/or WATER. If you want to help the poor in India, give them crops and seeds with better yields per acre..Not much point in having the power to run your fridge when there's nothing to put in the fridge.. At the moment, giving them the means to light their homes, or power their tv sets doesn't really help the poor people in 3rd world countries, when they don't have enough to eat, or clean drinking water, or even homes that aren't made out of cardboard and plastic... Yet the implication is that these people don't recognise non-edible materials. It infers quite heavily that they are stupid. No, the implication is that they are SOOO hungry that they'll try to eat anything. Not an inference about their intelligence, just about their desperation.

I disagree. Strongly.

What is it with little brown people from the 3rd world and cartoons? You'd think they love some cheering up. They don't mind burning a flag or waving a beheading sign around themselves. Bloody hypocrites!!

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:43pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 1:24pm: mothra wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 12:57pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 12:53pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 12:51pm: And as always, we get caught up squabbling over the word 'racist'. Fine then: implying that Indians are so stupid to think solar panels will be edible with some mango chutney is racist bigoted. And once again...that was NOT the implication. Clearly it was. No, "Clearly" (to normal people with functioning brains), it was a comment on the idea of giving hungry people the latest electrical gadgets....when what they actually need/want is FOOD and/or WATER. If you want to help the poor in India, give them crops and seeds with better yields per acre..Not much point in having the power to run your fridge when there's nothing to put in the fridge.. At the moment, giving them the means to light their homes, or power their tv sets doesn't really help the poor people in 3rd world countries, when they don't have enough to eat, or clean drinking water, or even homes that aren't made out of cardboard and plastic... No one's arguing the validity of the point the cartoon is making - in my view it was a good point to make. But it was also racist. Believe it or not - a cartoon can be making a good point and be racist at the same time. He should have stopped at "its no good you can't eat them" - that gets the point across perfectly. The inclusion of both the ape-like creature bashing a box with an axe because he's too stupid to know how to open it, as well as the man thinking that mango chutney will make glass and metal edible - is racist to any reasonable person.

Agreed.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:43pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 1:24pm: mothra wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 12:57pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 12:53pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 12:51pm: And as always, we get caught up squabbling over the word 'racist'. Fine then: implying that Indians are so stupid to think solar panels will be edible with some mango chutney is racist bigoted. And once again...that was NOT the implication. Clearly it was. No, "Clearly" (to normal people with functioning brains), it was a comment on the idea of giving hungry people the latest electrical gadgets....when what they actually need/want is FOOD and/or WATER. If you want to help the poor in India, give them crops and seeds with better yields per acre..Not much point in having the power to run your fridge when there's nothing to put in the fridge.. At the moment, giving them the means to light their homes, or power their tv sets doesn't really help the poor people in 3rd world countries, when they don't have enough to eat, or clean drinking water, or even homes that aren't made out of cardboard and plastic... No one's arguing the validity of the point the cartoon is making - in my view it was a good point to make. But it was also racist. Believe it or not - a cartoon can be making a good point and be racist at the same time. He should have stopped at "its no good you can't eat them" - that gets the point across perfectly. The inclusion of both the ape-like creature bashing a box with an axe because he's too stupid to know how to open it, as well as the man thinking that mango chutney will make glass and metal edible - is racist to any reasonable person.

No, it was a comment on how useless solar panels (or wind turbines etc) would be to any 3rd world country full of starving, poor people.

It really wouldn't have mattered if the people in the cartoon were Indians, or Africans, or Asians...some soft c)ck overly sensitive idiot would have taken offence, because the cartoonist was a middle-class, white (possibly Christian) male...and THAT is all that this is about.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:45pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 1:43pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 1:24pm: mothra wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 12:57pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 12:53pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 12:51pm: And as always, we get caught up squabbling over the word 'racist'. Fine then: implying that Indians are so stupid to think solar panels will be edible with some mango chutney is racist bigoted. And once again...that was NOT the implication. Clearly it was. No, "Clearly" (to normal people with functioning brains), it was a comment on the idea of giving hungry people the latest electrical gadgets....when what they actually need/want is FOOD and/or WATER. If you want to help the poor in India, give them crops and seeds with better yields per acre..Not much point in having the power to run your fridge when there's nothing to put in the fridge.. At the moment, giving them the means to light their homes, or power their tv sets doesn't really help the poor people in 3rd world countries, when they don't have enough to eat, or clean drinking water, or even homes that aren't made out of cardboard and plastic... No one's arguing the validity of the point the cartoon is making - in my view it was a good point to make. But it was also racist. Believe it or not - a cartoon can be making a good point and be racist at the same time. He should have stopped at "its no good you can't eat them" - that gets the point across perfectly. The inclusion of both the ape-like creature bashing a box with an axe because he's too stupid to know how to open it, as well as the man thinking that mango chutney will make glass and metal edible - is racist to any reasonable person. No, it was a comment on how useless solar panels (or wind turbines etc) would be to any 3rd world country full of starving, poor people.

Do you think it was complimentary to those people Gizmo? Or did it belittle them?

Exactly right gizmo - third world starving poor people who resemble apes and go around smashing aid boxes with axes - and are too stupid to understand that mango chutney doesn't make glass and metal any more edible.

Bloody do-gooders don't mind belittling people when they use the terms houso and bogan.

mothra wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:48pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 1:45pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 1:43pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 1:24pm: mothra wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 12:57pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 12:53pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 12:51pm: And as always, we get caught up squabbling over the word 'racist'. Fine then: implying that Indians are so stupid to think solar panels will be edible with some mango chutney is racist bigoted. And once again...that was NOT the implication. Clearly it was. No, "Clearly" (to normal people with functioning brains), it was a comment on the idea of giving hungry people the latest electrical gadgets....when what they actually need/want is FOOD and/or WATER. If you want to help the poor in India, give them crops and seeds with better yields per acre..Not much point in having the power to run your fridge when there's nothing to put in the fridge.. At the moment, giving them the means to light their homes, or power their tv sets doesn't really help the poor people in 3rd world countries, when they don't have enough to eat, or clean drinking water, or even homes that aren't made out of cardboard and plastic... No one's arguing the validity of the point the cartoon is making - in my view it was a good point to make. But it was also racist. Believe it or not - a cartoon can be making a good point and be racist at the same time. He should have stopped at "its no good you can't eat them" - that gets the point across perfectly. The inclusion of both the ape-like creature bashing a box with an axe because he's too stupid to know how to open it, as well as the man thinking that mango chutney will make glass and metal edible - is racist to any reasonable person. No, it was a comment on how useless solar panels (or wind turbines etc) would be to any 3rd world country full of starving, poor people. Do you think it was complimentary to those people Gizmo? Or did it belittle them?

Neither actually. It DID, however, point out the sort of conditions that a fairly large percentage of people in India live in...Which was, I feel, sort of the purpose of the cartoon.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

Exactly right gizmo - third world starving poor people who resemble apes and go around smashing aid boxes with axes - and are too stupid to understand that mango chutney doesn't make glass and metal any more edible.

I suppose you want his  head cut off like what your brothers do when they hate a cartoon Gandalf?

the good ole boys wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:43pm:

What is it with little brown people from the 3rd world and cartoons? You'd think they love some cheering up. They don't mind burning a flag or waving a beheading sign around themselves. Bloody hypocrites!!

Spoken like a true racist.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

Exactly right gizmo - third world starving poor people who resemble apes and go around smashing aid boxes with axes - and are too stupid to understand that mango chutney doesn't make glass and metal any more edible.

NO gandalf....3rd world starving poor people who have been 'promised' something so incredibly useless to them, that it's almost obscene....And who are so desperate and hungry that they'll try to eat anything, if the rich nations aren't smart enough to send food...

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:52pm:

It DID, however, point out the sort of conditions that a fairly large percentage of people in India live in...Which was, I feel, sort of the purpose of the cartoon.

Do you think its a fair portrayal of Indian people as people who think mango chutney might make glass and metal edible?

mothra wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:53pm:

the good ole boys wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 1:43pm: What is it with little brown people from the 3rd world and cartoons? You'd think they love some cheering up. They don't mind burning a flag or waving a beheading sign around themselves. Bloody hypocrites!! Spoken like a true racist.

Going to dob me in now are you?

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:55pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 1:50pm: Exactly right gizmo - third world starving poor people who resemble apes and go around smashing aid boxes with axes - and are too stupid to understand that mango chutney doesn't make glass and metal any more edible. NO gandalf....3rd world starving poor people who have been 'promised' something so incredibly useless to them, that it's almost obscene....And who are so desperate and hungry that they'll try to eat anything, if the rich nations aren't smart enough to send food...

I reckon even starving people are smart enough to know that the components of solar panels are not edible - even tinted ones.

Besides, why include the axe man - if not to make them seem more 'ape-like'?

the good ole boys wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:56pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 1:53pm: the good ole boys wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 1:43pm: What is it with little brown people from the 3rd world and cartoons? You'd think they love some cheering up. They don't mind burning a flag or waving a beheading sign around themselves. Bloody hypocrites!! Spoken like a true racist. Going to dob me in now are you?

I don't dob, i highlight.

Don't blame me for your ban. You deserved it, and i warned you.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:41pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 1:38pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 1:24pm: mothra wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 12:57pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 12:53pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 12:51pm: And as always, we get caught up squabbling over the word 'racist'. Fine then: implying that Indians are so stupid to think solar panels will be edible with some mango chutney is racist bigoted. And once again...that was NOT the implication. Clearly it was. No, "Clearly" (to normal people with functioning brains), it was a comment on the idea of giving hungry people the latest electrical gadgets....when what they actually need/want is FOOD and/or WATER. If you want to help the poor in India, give them crops and seeds with better yields per acre..Not much point in having the power to run your fridge when there's nothing to put in the fridge.. At the moment, giving them the means to light their homes, or power their tv sets doesn't really help the poor people in 3rd world countries, when they don't have enough to eat, or clean drinking water, or even homes that aren't made out of cardboard and plastic... Yet the implication is that these people don't recognise non-edible materials. It infers quite heavily that they are stupid. No, the implication is that they are SOOO hungry that they'll try to eat anything. Not an inference about their intelligence, just about their desperation.

They don't look very desperate to me, Gizmo. They look lazy.

Why would they be portrayed as hungry? There are no current famines in India. Food distribution is good. Hunger in India has not been reported in the media lately, and for good reason. Reportedly, Indians don't go hungry.

Solar panels are being proposed as a way of delivering electricity to the villages - farmers who grow food. India is not trying to meet a demand for food, it's trying to supply electricity to remote areas.

Why would anyone try to shift this focus to food?

the good ole boys wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:43pm:

What is it with little brown people from the 3rd world and cartoons? You'd think they love some cheering up. They don't mind burning a flag or waving a beheading sign around themselves. Bloody hypocrites!!

Now now, Homo. Islam is not a race, remember, so it can't be about brown peoples.

Or is it?

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:45pm:

because the cartoonist was a middle-class, white (possibly Christian) male...and THAT is all that this is about.

You're right, Gizmo. Indians do tend to be a tad sensitive about the way they're portrayed in the press by middle-class, white, (possibly Christian) males.

Why do you think this is?

As an aside, and related to what karnal said, one of the big mantras you'll hear from the coal lobby is that we have a moral obligation to supply the poor people of India with electricity. Turns out in fact that all this coal is only going towards maintaining and expanding the power for the rich and middle classes - the poor people, you see, simply don't have the required infrastructure built in their villages and shanty towns for the coal grid to supply them.

Its low-cost portable solar units that is the real big boom for India's poor - and these, not coal, is what is making the difference. I'm not sure if Bill Leak is a shameless sell-out of the coal industry - but shame on him anyway for such misleading propaganda - even apart from the racism.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 2:00pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 1:55pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 1:50pm: Exactly right gizmo - third world starving poor people who resemble apes and go around smashing aid boxes with axes - and are too stupid to understand that mango chutney doesn't make glass and metal any more edible. NO gandalf....3rd world starving poor people who have been 'promised' something so incredibly useless to them, that it's almost obscene....And who are so desperate and hungry that they'll try to eat anything, if the rich nations aren't smart enough to send food... I reckon even starving people are smart enough to know that the components of solar panels are not edible - even tinted ones. Besides, why include the axe man - if not to make them seem more 'ape-like'?

Of course the starving people know that...The point was to poke fun at the Gore-aid drinking politicians who think that renewable energy in general, and solar panels in particular, are a 'quick fix' for ALL of the worlds problems..

It's really quite surprising that you and the other "all white men are racist" patrol can't seem to wrap your heads around that point.

The World Leaders seem to be of the opinion that giving the poor in India solar panels will, magically, turn all the cardboard shacks into farm houses with lots and lots of crops and enough food to feed everyone..

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 2:27pm:

As an aside, and related to what karnal said, one of the big mantras you'll hear from the coal lobby is that we have a moral obligation to supply the poor people of India with electricity. Turns out in fact that all this coal is only going towards maintaining and expanding the power for the rich and middle classes - the poor people, you see, simply don't have the required infrastructure built in their villages and shanty towns that the coal grid could supply. Its low-cost portable solar units that is the real big boom for India's poor - and these, not coal, is what is making the difference. I'm not sure if Bill Leak is a shameless sell-out of the coal industry - but shame on him anyway for such misleading propaganda - even apart from the racism.

The current coal infrastructure is also notoriously inefficient. Daily blackouts are common in India.

Saying blackouts isn't racist. Electricity is not a race.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 2:27pm:

As an aside, and related to what karnal said, one of the big mantras you'll hear from the coal lobby is that we have a moral obligation to supply the poor people of India with electricity. Turns out in fact that all this coal is only going towards maintaining and expanding the power for the rich and middle classes - the poor people, you see, simply don't have the required infrastructure built in their villages and shanty towns for the coal grid to supply them. Its low-cost portable solar units that is the real big boom for India's poor - and these, not coal, is what is making the difference. I'm not sure if Bill Leak is a shameless sell-out of the coal industry - but shame on him anyway for such misleading propaganda - even apart from the racism.

Spot on.................. no lines - no power.... no running water - no loo....... and the rich live like Sultans.... and all our aid money ends up enhancing their education and position in their society while improving the lot of the cattle classes not one whit.....

Now you see the theory behind Pol Pot etc.... get 'em out in the hot sun to learn the value of manual labour amidst the snakes in the rice paddies...... that'll learn 'em......

Let me just string up a power line for you, Sahib... it will not take long.....

https://eclipsedbyjoy.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/india-powe-r-lines.jpg

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 2:27pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:00pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 1:55pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 1:50pm: Exactly right gizmo - third world starving poor people who resemble apes and go around smashing aid boxes with axes - and are too stupid to understand that mango chutney doesn't make glass and metal any more edible. NO gandalf....3rd world starving poor people who have been 'promised' something so incredibly useless to them, that it's almost obscene....And who are so desperate and hungry that they'll try to eat anything, if the rich nations aren't smart enough to send food... I reckon even starving people are smart enough to know that the components of solar panels are not edible - even tinted ones. Besides, why include the axe man - if not to make them seem more 'ape-like'? Of course the starving people know that...The point was to poke fun at the Gore-aid drinking politicians who think that renewable energy in general, and solar panels in particular, are a 'quick fix' for ALL of the worlds problems..

The problem of electricity supply, you mean?

Yes, I can see how people could make such a mistake, Gizmo - particularly at a conference designed to find a balance between the CO2 emissions of the rich and the poor.

Why wouldn't they be discussing mango chutney?

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 2:27pm:

The World Leaders seem to be of the opinion that giving the poor in India solar panels will, magically, turn all the cardboard shacks into farm houses with lots and lots of crops and enough food to feed everyone..

See my last post - cheap portable solar units are a huge booming industry in Indian slums.

As K said - Indians are not starving. This is in fact another facet of the bigotry - the assumption that all poor third world people are starving, and couldn't possibly have any use for modern technology. You belittle them by saying on their behalf that they don't need electricity - when in reality, this is exactly what they want - as demonstrated by the huge demand for these solar units in the slums and villages.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 2:27pm:

As an aside, and related to what karnal said, one of the big mantras you'll hear from the coal lobby is that we have a moral obligation to supply the poor people of India with electricity. Turns out in fact that all this coal is only going towards maintaining and expanding the power for the rich and middle classes - the poor people, you see, simply don't have the required infrastructure built in their villages and shanty towns for the coal grid to supply them.

Right..so would it make more sense for the UN/World governments to supply food, rather than electricity???....You can't eat electricity, whether it comes from solar panels(renewable power), or fossil fuel or even from nuclear..

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 2:34pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:27pm: As an aside, and related to what karnal said, one of the big mantras you'll hear from the coal lobby is that we have a moral obligation to supply the poor people of India with electricity. Turns out in fact that all this coal is only going towards maintaining and expanding the power for the rich and middle classes - the poor people, you see, simply don't have the required infrastructure built in their villages and shanty towns for the coal grid to supply them. Right..so would it make more sense for the UN/World governments to supply food, rather than electricity???....You can't eat electricity, whether it comes from solar panels(renewable power), or fossil fuel or even from nuclear..

Yes, Gizmo. Maybe the Paris Conference can call off the meeting on CO2 emissions and get everyone to send food to India instead.

That could work.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 2:33pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:27pm: The World Leaders seem to be of the opinion that giving the poor in India solar panels will, magically, turn all the cardboard shacks into farm houses with lots and lots of crops and enough food to feed everyone.. See my last post - cheap portable solar units are a huge booming industry in Indian slums.

Yes, but we should still roll out coal-fired electricity grids to half a billion people. Who cares if the technology is replaced by solar in a few years?

We can send India some food in the post.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 2:33pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:27pm: The World Leaders seem to be of the opinion that giving the poor in India solar panels will, magically, turn all the cardboard shacks into farm houses with lots and lots of crops and enough food to feed everyone.. See my last post - cheap portable solar units are a huge booming industry in Indian slums. As K said - Indians are not starving. This is in fact another facet of the bigotry - the assumption that all poor third world people are starving, and couldn't possibly have any use for modern technology. You belittle them by saying on their behalf that they don't need electricity - when in reality, this is exactly what they want - as demonstrated by the huge demand for these solar units in the slums and villages.

Well, tell that to the people living in the slums around New Delhi.

"India hurries to hide its poor
Officials want slums and beggars out of sight for the Commonwealth Games. Critics say they expected more from a nation that has long prided itself on its humanitarian policies.
October 01, 2010|By Mark Magnier, Los Angeles Times.

Reporting from New Delhi — The government people came one night in late September and built a partition covered with bright blue plastic sheeting and adorned with cartoonish tiger mascots and "Come Out and Play" slogans. It hid the slum known as Coolie Camp on the airport road where the foreigners pass.

Irfana Begum, 40, who collects garbage, must now lug her three-wheeled bicycle over about 300 feet of rocky ground to get to the road and make her living.

Begum, a 15-year resident of the slum, squatted in the dirt in a dusty sari, her bare feet adorned with toe rings. "They're trying to pretend that poor people don't exist in India, for their image," she said near a pile of plastic and glass bottles, cardboard and used vinyl sheeting.

"It really makes us angry," she said.

By hosting the Commonwealth Games, a mini- Olympics that begins Sunday and is to be attended by 71 nations, India hoped to propel New Delhi into the ranks of world-class cities such as London and New York and mirror Beijing's hosting of the 2008 Olympics.
ut amid bad planning, alleged corruption and shoddy workmanship, crews have barely finished the main sports venues, let alone various urban renewal projects. The result, residents and experts say, is an effort to hide the impoverished, including those in this slum near an athlete training center.

"I'm so appalled and angry at this," said Harsh Mander, a member of the ruling party's National Advisory Council after passing the cheerily camouflaged Coolie Camp. "Poverty is nothing to be ashamed of, but government and middle-class elements want to hide it."

The government has tried to rid the capital of beggars, and has used two "mobile court" trailers, with police and judges in tow, that grab and sentence panhandlers. Many receive one-year detentions in "beggar homes" or are temporarily exiled to neighboring states, leading to bureaucratic squabbles over who they "belong to."

Authorities have also cracked down on an estimated 300,000 street vendors, a significant burden on families who live hand to mouth. Daulat Ram, 50, a handicapped barber who lives in Coolie Camp, has seen his business decline precipitously since he was forced off the main road.

Most cities that host such mega-events resort to window dressing. Seoul expelled 720,000 people from their homes before the 1988 Olympics and shuttered dog-meat restaurants. Eight years later, Atlanta issued 9,000 arrest citations for the homeless. Athens removed hundreds of Roma, also known as Gypsies, before the 2004 Games."

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/oct/01/world/la-fg-india-hide-20101002

Sure..there are NO poor in India..right??? /sarc off

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 2:34pm:

Right..so would it make more sense for the UN/World governments to supply food, rather than electricity???....You can't eat electricity, whether it comes from solar panels(renewable power), or fossil fuel or even from nuclear..

LOL what??

Do Indians need food? As far as I know there are no starving people in India.

India's poor demonstrably want solar units. Who are you and who is Bill Leak to condescendingly tell them they really don't want it?

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 2:41pm:

Sure..there are NO poor in India..right??? /sarc off

*FACEPALM*

Karnal wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:34pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:27pm: As an aside, and related to what karnal said, one of the big mantras you'll hear from the coal lobby is that we have a moral obligation to supply the poor people of India with electricity. Turns out in fact that all this coal is only going towards maintaining and expanding the power for the rich and middle classes - the poor people, you see, simply don't have the required infrastructure built in their villages and shanty towns for the coal grid to supply them. Right..so would it make more sense for the UN/World governments to supply food, rather than electricity???....You can't eat electricity, whether it comes from solar panels(renewable power), or fossil fuel or even from nuclear.. Yes, Gizmo. Maybe the Paris Conference can call off the meeting on CO2 emissions and get everyone to send food to India instead. That could work.

Yes, in a way...Co2 emission 'might be' important to the idiots and countries who are stupid enough to believe the Greens/environmentalist mantra that industrial processes are responsible for everything that's wrong with the world...but surely feeding the poor and starving in less developed countries is as important (or MORE important) than making sure they can play their Xbox....

You said the people in the article are meant to look hungry, Gizmo, not poor. If we were talking about poverty, we'd be looking at the issue of wealth distribution. We might also address economic development, including transport, employment and energy solutions for people in rural India.

So it makes sense that you'd post a 5 year old article about poverty in Delhi.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 2:45pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:41pm: Sure..there are NO poor in India..right??? /sarc off *FACEPALM*

I hope you didn't hurt yourself with that *FACEPALM* Gandalf....

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 2:43pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:34pm: Right..so would it make more sense for the UN/World governments to supply food, rather than electricity???....You can't eat electricity, whether it comes from solar panels(renewable power), or fossil fuel or even from nuclear.. LOL what?? Do Indians need food? As far as I know there are no starving people in India. India's poor demonstrably want solar units. Who are you and who is Bill Leak to condescendingly tell them they really don't want it?

Now now, G, telling poor rural brown people in India what they want isn't racist.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 2:46pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:36pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:34pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:27pm: As an aside, and related to what karnal said, one of the big mantras you'll hear from the coal lobby is that we have a moral obligation to supply the poor people of India with electricity. Turns out in fact that all this coal is only going towards maintaining and expanding the power for the rich and middle classes - the poor people, you see, simply don't have the required infrastructure built in their villages and shanty towns for the coal grid to supply them. Right..so would it make more sense for the UN/World governments to supply food, rather than electricity???....You can't eat electricity, whether it comes from solar panels(renewable power), or fossil fuel or even from nuclear.. Yes, Gizmo. Maybe the Paris Conference can call off the meeting on CO2 emissions and get everyone to send food to India instead. That could work. Yes, in a way...Co2 emission 'might be' important to the idiots and countries who are stupid enough to believe the Greens/environmentalist mantra that industrial processes are responsible for everything that's wrong with the world...but surely feeding the poor and starving in less developed countries is as important (or MORE important) than making sure they can play their Xbox....

Yes, Gizmo, either that, or the cartoon just meant Indians are too dumb to work out what solar panels are.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 2:43pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:34pm: Right..so would it make more sense for the UN/World governments to supply food, rather than electricity???....You can't eat electricity, whether it comes from solar panels(renewable power), or fossil fuel or even from nuclear.. LOL what?? Do Indians need food? As far as I know there are no starving people in India. India's poor demonstrably want solar units. Who are you and who is Bill Leak to condescendingly tell them they really don't want it?

Really???....

"Well, tell that to the people living in the slums around New Delhi.

"India hurries to hide its poor
Officials want slums and beggars out of sight for the Commonwealth Games. Critics say they expected more from a nation that has long prided itself on its humanitarian policies.
October 01, 2010|By Mark Magnier, Los Angeles Times.

Reporting from New Delhi — The government people came one night in late September and built a partition covered with bright blue plastic sheeting and adorned with cartoonish tiger mascots and "Come Out and Play" slogans. It hid the slum known as Coolie Camp on the airport road where the foreigners pass.

Irfana Begum, 40, who collects garbage, must now lug her three-wheeled bicycle over about 300 feet of rocky ground to get to the road and make her living.

Begum, a 15-year resident of the slum, squatted in the dirt in a dusty sari, her bare feet adorned with toe rings. "They're trying to pretend that poor people don't exist in India, for their image," she said near a pile of plastic and glass bottles, cardboard and used vinyl sheeting.

"It really makes us angry," she said.

By hosting the Commonwealth Games, a mini- Olympics that begins Sunday and is to be attended by 71 nations, India hoped to propel New Delhi into the ranks of world-class cities such as London and New York and mirror Beijing's hosting of the 2008 Olympics.
ut amid bad planning, alleged corruption and shoddy workmanship, crews have barely finished the main sports venues, let alone various urban renewal projects. The result, residents and experts say, is an effort to hide the impoverished, including those in this slum near an athlete training center.

"I'm so appalled and angry at this," said Harsh Mander, a member of the ruling party's National Advisory Council after passing the cheerily camouflaged Coolie Camp. "Poverty is nothing to be ashamed of, but government and middle-class elements want to hide it."

The government has tried to rid the capital of beggars, and has used two "mobile court" trailers, with police and judges in tow, that grab and sentence panhandlers. Many receive one-year detentions in "beggar homes" or are temporarily exiled to neighboring states, leading to bureaucratic squabbles over who they "belong to."

Authorities have also cracked down on an estimated 300,000 street vendors, a significant burden on families who live hand to mouth. Daulat Ram, 50, a handicapped barber who lives in Coolie Camp, has seen his business decline precipitously since he was forced off the main road.

Most cities that host such mega-events resort to window dressing. Seoul expelled 720,000 people from their homes before the 1988 Olympics and shuttered dog-meat restaurants. Eight years later, Atlanta issued 9,000 arrest citations for the homeless. Athens removed hundreds of Roma, also known as Gypsies, before the 2004 Games."

Which particular survey says that the people in India want solar, rather than food??

Karnal wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 2:49pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:46pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:36pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:34pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:27pm: As an aside, and related to what karnal said, one of the big mantras you'll hear from the coal lobby is that we have a moral obligation to supply the poor people of India with electricity. Turns out in fact that all this coal is only going towards maintaining and expanding the power for the rich and middle classes - the poor people, you see, simply don't have the required infrastructure built in their villages and shanty towns for the coal grid to supply them. Right..so would it make more sense for the UN/World governments to supply food, rather than electricity???....You can't eat electricity, whether it comes from solar panels(renewable power), or fossil fuel or even from nuclear.. Yes, Gizmo. Maybe the Paris Conference can call off the meeting on CO2 emissions and get everyone to send food to India instead. That could work. Yes, in a way...Co2 emission 'might be' important to the idiots and countries who are stupid enough to believe the Greens/environmentalist mantra that industrial processes are responsible for everything that's wrong with the world...but surely feeding the poor and starving in less developed countries is as important (or MORE important) than making sure they can play their Xbox.... Yes, Gizmo, either that, or the cartoon just meant Indians are too dumb to work out what solar panels are.

Ah.  Yes......and not forgetting that.........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLkp_Dx6VdI

Quote:

Which particular survey says that the people in India want solar, rather than food??

Which particular survey says that the people of rural India want food rather than electricity, Gizmo?

Oh, that's right. It was in the cartoon.

Karnal wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 2:48pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:43pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:34pm: Right..so would it make more sense for the UN/World governments to supply food, rather than electricity???....You can't eat electricity, whether it comes from solar panels(renewable power), or fossil fuel or even from nuclear.. LOL what?? Do Indians need food? As far as I know there are no starving people in India. India's poor demonstrably want solar units. Who are you and who is Bill Leak to condescendingly tell them they really don't want it? Now now, G, telling poor rural brown people in India what they want isn't racist.

Good luck trying to spin a cartoon about the stupidity of the COP21 leaders into 'racism'...in the opinion of actual, intelligent people...(i.e, not YOU, or Gandalf or any of the other 'usual suspects')

Aussie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 2:52pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:49pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:46pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:36pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:34pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:27pm: As an aside, and related to what karnal said, one of the big mantras you'll hear from the coal lobby is that we have a moral obligation to supply the poor people of India with electricity. Turns out in fact that all this coal is only going towards maintaining and expanding the power for the rich and middle classes - the poor people, you see, simply don't have the required infrastructure built in their villages and shanty towns for the coal grid to supply them. Right..so would it make more sense for the UN/World governments to supply food, rather than electricity???....You can't eat electricity, whether it comes from solar panels(renewable power), or fossil fuel or even from nuclear.. Yes, Gizmo. Maybe the Paris Conference can call off the meeting on CO2 emissions and get everyone to send food to India instead. That could work. Yes, in a way...Co2 emission 'might be' important to the idiots and countries who are stupid enough to believe the Greens/environmentalist mantra that industrial processes are responsible for everything that's wrong with the world...but surely feeding the poor and starving in less developed countries is as important (or MORE important) than making sure they can play their Xbox.... Yes, Gizmo, either that, or the cartoon just meant Indians are too dumb to work out what solar panels are. Ah.  Yes......and not forgetting that......... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLkp_Dx6VdI

Maybe the cartoon was referring to medicine, Aussie. Maybe those stupid, lazy Indians are meant to be sick, and they think the solar panels are medicine.

Surely that could work too.

Karnal wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 2:52pm:

Quote: Which particular survey says that the people in India want solar, rather than food?? Which particular survey says that the people of rural India want food rather than electricity, Gizmo? Oh, that's right. It was in the cartoon.

"India's hunger 'shame': 3,000 children die every day, despite economic growth
Thursday Feb 16, 2012 6:52 AM
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Severely malnourished girl Rajni, 2, is weighed by health workers in Madhya Pradesh, India, February 1.

BY REUTERS
Crying as she is put on an electronic scale, two-year-old Rajini's naked shriveled frame casts a dark shadow over a rising India, where millions of children have little to eat.

The children are scrawny, listless and sick in this run-down nutrition clinic in central India with its intermittent power supply. If they survive they will grow up shorter, weaker and less smart than their better-fed peers.

Rajini weighs 5 kg (11 lb), about half of what she should.
"She's as light as a leaf, this can't be good," says her grandmother, Sushila Devi, poking her rib-protruding stomach in the clinic in Shivpuri district in Madhya Pradesh state.

Almost as shocking as India's high prevalence of child malnutrition is the country's failure to reduce it, despite the economy tripling between 1990 and 2005 to become Asia's third largest and annual per capita income rising to $489 from $96.

1 in 4 children malnourished, global report says

A government-supported survey last month said 42 percent of children under five are underweight - almost double that of sub-Saharan Africa - compared to 43 percent five years ago.

The statistic - which means 3,000 children dying daily due to illnesses related to poor diets - led Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to admit malnutrition was "a national shame" and was putting the health of the nation in jeopardy.

"It is a national shame. Child nutrition is a marker of the many things that are not going right for the poor of India," said Purnima Menon, research fellow on poverty, health and nutrition at the Institute of Food Policy Research Institute.

India's efforts to reduce the number of undernourished kids have been largely hampered by blighting poverty where many cannot afford the amount and types of food they need."

Of course I do understand that you need to 'blame' any middle class Australian for the failings of other countries economic systems...(which make YOU a really sad and silly, individual)

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 2:53pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:48pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:43pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:34pm: Right..so would it make more sense for the UN/World governments to supply food, rather than electricity???....You can't eat electricity, whether it comes from solar panels(renewable power), or fossil fuel or even from nuclear.. LOL what?? Do Indians need food? As far as I know there are no starving people in India. India's poor demonstrably want solar units. Who are you and who is Bill Leak to condescendingly tell them they really don't want it? Now now, G, telling poor rural brown people in India what they want isn't racist. Good luck trying to spin a cartoon about the stupidity of the COP21 leaders into 'racism'...in the opinion of actual, intelligent people...(i.e, not YOU, or Gandalf or any of the other 'usual suspects')

That's right, Gizmo. We're too dumb to work out what solar panels are too.

If those Indians are meant to be hungry, how come they have mango chutney?

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 2:56pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:52pm: Quote: Which particular survey says that the people in India want solar, rather than food?? Which particular survey says that the people of rural India want food rather than electricity, Gizmo? Oh, that's right. It was in the cartoon. "India's hunger 'shame': 3,000 children die every day, despite economic growth Thursday Feb 16, 2012 6:52 AM EMAIL    Severely malnourished girl Rajni, 2, is weighed by health workers in Madhya Pradesh, India, February 1. BY REUTERS Crying as she is put on an electronic scale, two-year-old Rajini's naked shriveled frame casts a dark shadow over a rising India, where millions of children have little to eat. The children are scrawny, listless and sick in this run-down nutrition clinic in central India with its intermittent power supply. If they survive they will grow up shorter, weaker and less smart than their better-fed peers. Rajini weighs 5 kg (11 lb), about half of what she should. "She's as light as a leaf, this can't be good," says her grandmother, Sushila Devi, poking her rib-protruding stomach in the clinic in Shivpuri district in Madhya Pradesh state. Almost as shocking as India's high prevalence of child malnutrition is the country's failure to reduce it, despite the economy tripling between 1990 and 2005 to become Asia's third largest and annual per capita income rising to $489 from $96. 1 in 4 children malnourished, global report says A government-supported survey last month said 42 percent of children under five are underweight - almost double that of sub-Saharan Africa - compared to 43 percent five years ago. The statistic - which means 3,000 children dying daily due to illnesses related to poor diets - led Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to admit malnutrition was "a national shame" and was putting the health of the nation in jeopardy. "It is a national shame. Child nutrition is a marker of the many things that are not going right for the poor of India," said Purnima Menon, research fellow on poverty, health and nutrition at the Institute of Food Policy Research Institute. India's efforts to reduce the number of undernourished kids have been largely hampered by blighting poverty where many cannot afford the amount and types of food they need." Of course I do understand that you need to 'blame' any middle class Australian for the failings of other countries economic systems...(which make YOU a really sad and silly, individual)

I know, Gizmo. But did you have to leave in the part about the intermittent power supply?

Karnal wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 2:57pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:53pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:48pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:43pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:34pm: Right..so would it make more sense for the UN/World governments to supply food, rather than electricity???....You can't eat electricity, whether it comes from solar panels(renewable power), or fossil fuel or even from nuclear.. LOL what?? Do Indians need food? As far as I know there are no starving people in India. India's poor demonstrably want solar units. Who are you and who is Bill Leak to condescendingly tell them they really don't want it? Now now, G, telling poor rural brown people in India what they want isn't racist. Good luck trying to spin a cartoon about the stupidity of the COP21 leaders into 'racism'...in the opinion of actual, intelligent people...(i.e, not YOU, or Gandalf or any of the other 'usual suspects') That's right, Gizmo. We're too dumb to work out what solar panels are too. If those Indians are meant to be hungry, how come they have mango chutney?

Sorry, no it doesn't make Indians fools (although it DOES make YOU a FOOL) however it makes the World Leaders either naive, or stupid...and no amount of comments from you will actually make the cartoon in any way 'racist'...it simply makes the people in Australia who are bitching about (like you) incredibly dumb...notice I didn't say that any particular racial group was stupid, I just said YOU, as a person, was dumber than do sh!t..

Karnal wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 3:00pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:56pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:52pm: Quote: Which particular survey says that the people in India want solar, rather than food?? Which particular survey says that the people of rural India want food rather than electricity, Gizmo? Oh, that's right. It was in the cartoon. "India's hunger 'shame': 3,000 children die every day, despite economic growth Thursday Feb 16, 2012 6:52 AM EMAIL    Severely malnourished girl Rajni, 2, is weighed by health workers in Madhya Pradesh, India, February 1. BY REUTERS Crying as she is put on an electronic scale, two-year-old Rajini's naked shriveled frame casts a dark shadow over a rising India, where millions of children have little to eat. The children are scrawny, listless and sick in this run-down nutrition clinic in central India with its intermittent power supply. If they survive they will grow up shorter, weaker and less smart than their better-fed peers. Rajini weighs 5 kg (11 lb), about half of what she should. "She's as light as a leaf, this can't be good," says her grandmother, Sushila Devi, poking her rib-protruding stomach in the clinic in Shivpuri district in Madhya Pradesh state. Almost as shocking as India's high prevalence of child malnutrition is the country's failure to reduce it, despite the economy tripling between 1990 and 2005 to become Asia's third largest and annual per capita income rising to $489 from $96. 1 in 4 children malnourished, global report says A government-supported survey last month said 42 percent of children under five are underweight - almost double that of sub-Saharan Africa - compared to 43 percent five years ago. The statistic - which means 3,000 children dying daily due to illnesses related to poor diets - led Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to admit malnutrition was "a national shame" and was putting the health of the nation in jeopardy. "It is a national shame. Child nutrition is a marker of the many things that are not going right for the poor of India," said Purnima Menon, research fellow on poverty, health and nutrition at the Institute of Food Policy Research Institute. India's efforts to reduce the number of undernourished kids have been largely hampered by blighting poverty where many cannot afford the amount and types of food they need." Of course I do understand that you need to 'blame' any middle class Australian for the failings of other countries economic systems...(which make YOU a really sad and silly, individual) I know, Gizmo. But did you have to leave in the part about the intermittent power supply?

And exactly how much food would a constant power supply grow, for the people living in the slums in capital cities???

Gizmo, you can spin it any way you please (as you are) but the simple fact is that the cartoon does stereotype Indians as being too dumb to understand what a solar panel is, too dumb to use it for its intended purpose, and to make it edible (impossible) let's add not sugar.....but chutney....another direct barb at Indian culture.  They are also, of course, wearing rags, another false stereotype of a typical Indian.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 2:32pm:

Let me just string up a power line for you, Sahib... it will not take long..... https://eclipsedbyjoy.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/india-powe-r-lines.jpg

Not many of those will be power cables Grappler.  Can you guess what in fact most are?

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 3:18pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 3:00pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:56pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:52pm: Quote: Which particular survey says that the people in India want solar, rather than food?? Which particular survey says that the people of rural India want food rather than electricity, Gizmo? Oh, that's right. It was in the cartoon. "India's hunger 'shame': 3,000 children die every day, despite economic growth Thursday Feb 16, 2012 6:52 AM EMAIL    Severely malnourished girl Rajni, 2, is weighed by health workers in Madhya Pradesh, India, February 1. BY REUTERS Crying as she is put on an electronic scale, two-year-old Rajini's naked shriveled frame casts a dark shadow over a rising India, where millions of children have little to eat. The children are scrawny, listless and sick in this run-down nutrition clinic in central India with its intermittent power supply. If they survive they will grow up shorter, weaker and less smart than their better-fed peers. Rajini weighs 5 kg (11 lb), about half of what she should. "She's as light as a leaf, this can't be good," says her grandmother, Sushila Devi, poking her rib-protruding stomach in the clinic in Shivpuri district in Madhya Pradesh state. Almost as shocking as India's high prevalence of child malnutrition is the country's failure to reduce it, despite the economy tripling between 1990 and 2005 to become Asia's third largest and annual per capita income rising to $489 from $96. 1 in 4 children malnourished, global report says A government-supported survey last month said 42 percent of children under five are underweight - almost double that of sub-Saharan Africa - compared to 43 percent five years ago. The statistic - which means 3,000 children dying daily due to illnesses related to poor diets - led Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to admit malnutrition was "a national shame" and was putting the health of the nation in jeopardy. "It is a national shame. Child nutrition is a marker of the many things that are not going right for the poor of India," said Purnima Menon, research fellow on poverty, health and nutrition at the Institute of Food Policy Research Institute. India's efforts to reduce the number of undernourished kids have been largely hampered by blighting poverty where many cannot afford the amount and types of food they need." Of course I do understand that you need to 'blame' any middle class Australian for the failings of other countries economic systems...(which make YOU a really sad and silly, individual) I know, Gizmo. But did you have to leave in the part about the intermittent power supply? And exactly how much food would a constant power supply grow, for the people living in the slums in capital cities???

Good question, Gizmo. Perhaps we can put it on the agenda at the International Climate Conference.

Just to be on the safe side, we're changing it to a conference on world hunger.

Happy?

Aussie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 3:23pm:

Gizmo, you can spin it any way you please (as you are) but the simple fact is that the cartoon does stereotype Indians as being too dumb to understand what a solar panel is, too dumb to use it for its intended purpose, and to make it edible (impossible) let's add not sugar.....but chutney....another direct barb at Indian culture.  They are also, of course, wearing rags, another false stereotype of a typical Indian.

No, Aussie, it's a comment on the problem of malnutrition in Indian children. Gizmo has the 2012 article to prove it.

Ooooooooh. He made Indians look like plastic and metal eaters. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

:'( :'(

Aussie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 3:23pm:

Gizmo, you can spin it any way you please (as you are) but the simple fact is that the cartoon does stereotype Indians as being too dumb to understand what a solar panel is, too dumb to use it for its intended purpose, and to make it edible (impossible) let's add not sugar.....but chutney....another direct barb at Indian culture.  They are also, of course, wearing rags, another false stereotype of a typical Indian.

No, despite the nationality of your 'bride' the cartoon is not actually 'racist'...it is, in fact, a cynical shot at the COP21 fools who 'think' that solar panels are the be all and end all of the way to fix everything that's wrong with the world..

Karnal wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 3:41pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 3:23pm: Gizmo, you can spin it any way you please (as you are) but the simple fact is that the cartoon does stereotype Indians as being too dumb to understand what a solar panel is, too dumb to use it for its intended purpose, and to make it edible (impossible) let's add not sugar.....but chutney....another direct barb at Indian culture.  They are also, of course, wearing rags, another false stereotype of a typical Indian. No, Aussie, it's a comment on the problem of malnutrition in Indian children. Gizmo has the 2012 article to prove it.

Yes, it actually IS a comment on the malnutrition in Indian people..children AND adults...the date on the article is not a factor...

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 4:19pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 3:23pm: Gizmo, you can spin it any way you please (as you are) but the simple fact is that the cartoon does stereotype Indians as being too dumb to understand what a solar panel is, too dumb to use it for its intended purpose, and to make it edible (impossible) let's add not sugar.....but chutney....another direct barb at Indian culture.  They are also, of course, wearing rags, another false stereotype of a typical Indian. No, despite the nationality of your 'bride' the cartoon is not actually 'racist'...it is, in fact, a cynical shot at the COP21 fools who 'think' that solar panels are the be all and end all of the way to fix everything that's wrong with the world..

That's fine, Gizmo.  You keep telling yourself that.  Eventually you'll be convinced.  Meantime, I recognise racial bigotry via ridicule of a stereotype when I see it.

I've been looking at this cartoon over and over again and I can't work out what starvin' Marvin is doing in the background with the shovel behind his head. Is he about to "knock his family on the head" because they are done for??? Very interesting indeed.

racial stereotyping!!:'( :'(

Aussie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 4:24pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 4:19pm: Aussie wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 3:23pm: Gizmo, you can spin it any way you please (as you are) but the simple fact is that the cartoon does stereotype Indians as being too dumb to understand what a solar panel is, too dumb to use it for its intended purpose, and to make it edible (impossible) let's add not sugar.....but chutney....another direct barb at Indian culture.  They are also, of course, wearing rags, another false stereotype of a typical Indian. No, despite the nationality of your 'bride' the cartoon is not actually 'racist'...it is, in fact, a cynical shot at the COP21 fools who 'think' that solar panels are the be all and end all of the way to fix everything that's wrong with the world.. That's fine, Gizmo.  You keep telling yourself that.  Eventually you'll be convinced.  Meantime, I recognise racial bigotry via ridicule of a stereotype when I see it.

Of course you will...which doesn't mean that you are able to recognise anything close to 'racial bigotry' in any way, shape or form...since you are actually too stupid to 'notice' the difference  between sh!t and Shinola...

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 4:59pm:

you are actually too stupid to 'notice' the difference  between sh!t and Shinola...

Gizmo knows sh!t.

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:03pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 4:59pm: you are actually too stupid to 'notice' the difference  between sh!t and Shinola... Gizmo knows sh!t.

No, I don't actually 'know' YOU...so sorry..since you are actually sh!t, and I don't 'know you'....

the good ole boys wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 4:35pm:

racial stereotyping!!:'( :'(

No no, Homo, there’s no racism here. It’s just a bit of hunger-stereotyping.

the good ole boys wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 4:10pm:

Ooooooooh. He made Indians look like plastic and metal eaters. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

That’s right. It can hardly be called racism, It’s just a comment on their dietary habits.

Would you like mango chutney with that?

Aussie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 4:24pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 4:19pm: Aussie wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 3:23pm: Gizmo, you can spin it any way you please (as you are) but the simple fact is that the cartoon does stereotype Indians as being too dumb to understand what a solar panel is, too dumb to use it for its intended purpose, and to make it edible (impossible) let's add not sugar.....but chutney....another direct barb at Indian culture.  They are also, of course, wearing rags, another false stereotype of a typical Indian. No, despite the nationality of your 'bride' the cartoon is not actually 'racist'...it is, in fact, a cynical shot at the COP21 fools who 'think' that solar panels are the be all and end all of the way to fix everything that's wrong with the world.. That's fine, Gizmo.  You keep telling yourself that.  Eventually you'll be convinced.  Meantime, I recognise racial bigotry via ridicule of a stereotype when I see it.

Despite your Indian "bride"?

Karnal wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:19pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 4:24pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 4:19pm: Aussie wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 3:23pm: Gizmo, you can spin it any way you please (as you are) but the simple fact is that the cartoon does stereotype Indians as being too dumb to understand what a solar panel is, too dumb to use it for its intended purpose, and to make it edible (impossible) let's add not sugar.....but chutney....another direct barb at Indian culture.  They are also, of course, wearing rags, another false stereotype of a typical Indian. No, despite the nationality of your 'bride' the cartoon is not actually 'racist'...it is, in fact, a cynical shot at the COP21 fools who 'think' that solar panels are the be all and end all of the way to fix everything that's wrong with the world.. That's fine, Gizmo.  You keep telling yourself that.  Eventually you'll be convinced.  Meantime, I recognise racial bigotry via ridicule of a stereotype when I see it. Despite your Indian "bride"?

That's right.  I have special glasses I use in cases like this.  It would be quite wrong if anyone thought I knew anything about Indian stereotypes.

Bloody plastic eaters!!!

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:03pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 4:59pm: you are actually too stupid to 'notice' the difference  between sh!t and Shinola... Gizmo knows sh!t.

Yes I can, in fact recognize that most of what YOU post is , in fact SH!T...because you are actually Sun_Tzu..

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:27pm:

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 5:03pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 4:59pm: you are actually too stupid to 'notice' the difference  between sh!t and Shinola... Gizmo knows sh!t. Yes I can, in fact recognize that most of what YOU post is , in fact SH!T...because you are actually Sun_Tzu..

That’s because he’s a Chow, Gizmo.

That’s not racist, just pointing out a fact.

the good ole boys wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:27pm:

Bloody plastic eaters!!!

Bloody brown people plastic-eaters, you mean.

the good ole boys wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 4:34pm:

I've been looking at this cartoon over and over again and I can't work out what starvin' Marvin is doing in the background with the shovel behind his head. Is he about to "knock his family on the head" because they are done for??? Very interesting indeed.

he is smashing up the solar panels ready to fry...its easier to fit in the pan  in pieces


are we sending solar panels to India instead of food/??..... sounds about right.

.which country is making the most money out of selling solar panels???>.

I bet it isnt a Western country... ::) ::)..

someones rubbing their hands together and it aint us..

when you think of the "emission" to get these panels to their destination..  :D :D :D

I am sure someone has taken all that into account though.

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 11:52am:

ian wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 11:48am: Inaccurate anyway, Indians starve because of their own cultural racism, not because of lack of resources. Many more multiples of Indians starved to death under British rule than have starved since. British cultural racism?

Completely untrue, the British kept the caste system under control and outlawed such practises as Suttee. When they left the Indians went back to their own degenerate ways.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 2:43pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:34pm: Right..so would it make more sense for the UN/World governments to supply food, rather than electricity???....You can't eat electricity, whether it comes from solar panels(renewable power), or fossil fuel or even from nuclear.. LOL what?? Do Indians need food? As far as I know there are no starving people in India. India's poor demonstrably want solar units. Who are you and who is Bill Leak to condescendingly tell them they really don't want it?

Ive been there 3 times, the 3rd time last year. I walked around dead and starving people in  the streets of Delhi.   Its cultural, the lower castes are considered worthless as human beings.

And, yes, they really do sh!t in the streets, half a billion Indians have no access to toilets, of any kind. Their governnment does however possess nuclear weapons and has billions to develop a space program. Completely f***kd culture.

ian wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 6:59pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:43pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:34pm: Right..so would it make more sense for the UN/World governments to supply food, rather than electricity???....You can't eat electricity, whether it comes from solar panels(renewable power), or fossil fuel or even from nuclear.. LOL what?? Do Indians need food? As far as I know there are no starving people in India. India's poor demonstrably want solar units. Who are you and who is Bill Leak to condescendingly tell them they really don't want it? Ive been there 3 times, the 3rd time last year. I walked around dead and starving people in  the streets of Delhi.   Its cultural, the lower castes are considered worthless as human beings.

Really?  I've 'lived' in urban India with my in-laws, and not one such did I see.

ian wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 7:02pm:

And, yes, they really do sh!t in the streets, half a billion Indians have no access to toilets, of any kind. Their governnment does however possess nuclear weapons and has billions to develop a space program. Completely f***kd culture.

I've seen Frenchmen do the same in the gutters of Paris.

ian wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 7:02pm:

And, yes, they really do sh!t in the streets, half a billion Indians have no access to toilets, of any kind. Their governnment does however possess nuclear weapons and has billions to develop a space program. Completely f***kd culture.

Many of that 'half billion' choose not to use a dunny, rather than not have access to one.

Link.

Aussie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 7:04pm:

ian wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 6:59pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:43pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:34pm: Right..so would it make more sense for the UN/World governments to supply food, rather than electricity???....You can't eat electricity, whether it comes from solar panels(renewable power), or fossil fuel or even from nuclear.. LOL what?? Do Indians need food? As far as I know there are no starving people in India. India's poor demonstrably want solar units. Who are you and who is Bill Leak to condescendingly tell them they really don't want it? Ive been there 3 times, the 3rd time last year. I walked around dead and starving people in  the streets of Delhi.   Its cultural, the lower castes are considered worthless as human beings. Really?  I've 'lived' in urban India with my in-laws, and not one such did I see.

Of course you wont see them in higher caste "urban" India. I stayed in  Pahar Ganj in Delhi and made it a habit to walk to Connaught Square every day, all over the place. You wont see them from the swimming pool in your 5 star hotel either.

Aussie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 7:09pm:

ian wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 7:02pm: And, yes, they really do sh!t in the streets, half a billion Indians have no access to toilets, of any kind. Their governnment does however possess nuclear weapons and has billions to develop a space program. Completely f***kd culture. Many of that 'half billion' choose not to use a dunny, rather than not have access to one. Link.

Your link supports the opposite of your claim, did you read it? regardless, Indian culture is degenerate and they are the filthiest and weakest people in Asia, mainly due I suspect to thousands of years on inbreeding. this is the last genetics we need polluting our gene pool in this country.

ian wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 7:36pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 7:04pm: ian wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 6:59pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:43pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:34pm: Right..so would it make more sense for the UN/World governments to supply food, rather than electricity???....You can't eat electricity, whether it comes from solar panels(renewable power), or fossil fuel or even from nuclear.. LOL what?? Do Indians need food? As far as I know there are no starving people in India. India's poor demonstrably want solar units. Who are you and who is Bill Leak to condescendingly tell them they really don't want it? Ive been there 3 times, the 3rd time last year. I walked around dead and starving people in  the streets of Delhi.   Its cultural, the lower castes are considered worthless as human beings. Really?  I've 'lived' in urban India with my in-laws, and not one such did I see. Of course you wont see them in higher caste "urban" India. I stayed in  Pahar Ganj in Delhi and made it a habit to walk to Connaught Square every day, all over the place. You wont see them from the swimming pool in your 5 star hotel either.

What's with this 'higher caste' rubbish.  The dunny in the house I 'lived' in was a hole in the floor below the shower thing, and there was no swimming pool anywhere.

Fairbloodydinkum Ian, other people have been there, done that.  You are not the first Aussie to go to India.

ian wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 7:40pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 7:09pm: ian wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 7:02pm: And, yes, they really do sh!t in the streets, half a billion Indians have no access to toilets, of any kind. Their governnment does however possess nuclear weapons and has billions to develop a space program. Completely f***kd culture. Many of that 'half billion' choose not to use a dunny, rather than not have access to one. Link. Your link supports the opposite of your claim, did you read it? regardless, Indian culture is degenerate and they are the filthiest and weakest people in Asia, mainly due I suspect to thousands of years on inbreeding. this is the last genetics we need polluting our gene pool in this country.

Rubbish.

Further, if they ever got the schitts with us, they'd have landed, invaded and they'd be knocking on your front door within a week of their boots on Australian ground.

ian wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 7:40pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 7:09pm: ian wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 7:02pm: And, yes, they really do sh!t in the streets, half a billion Indians have no access to toilets, of any kind. Their governnment does however possess nuclear weapons and has billions to develop a space program. Completely f***kd culture. Many of that 'half billion' choose not to use a dunny, rather than not have access to one. Link. Your link supports the opposite of your claim, did you read it? regardless, Indian culture is degenerate and they are the filthiest and weakest people in Asia, mainly due I suspect to thousands of years on inbreeding. this is the last genetics we need polluting our gene pool in this country.

Forbidding mixing of the races isn’t racism, Ian. Who’d want their sister to marry a beggar in Pahar Ganj?

It’s just common sense. No mixing of the castes, thank you. These people are Curries.

Aussie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 7:42pm:

ian wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 7:36pm: Aussie wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 7:04pm: ian wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 6:59pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:43pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:34pm: Right..so would it make more sense for the UN/World governments to supply food, rather than electricity???....You can't eat electricity, whether it comes from solar panels(renewable power), or fossil fuel or even from nuclear.. LOL what?? Do Indians need food? As far as I know there are no starving people in India. India's poor demonstrably want solar units. Who are you and who is Bill Leak to condescendingly tell them they really don't want it? Ive been there 3 times, the 3rd time last year. I walked around dead and starving people in  the streets of Delhi.   Its cultural, the lower castes are considered worthless as human beings. Really?  I've 'lived' in urban India with my in-laws, and not one such did I see. Of course you wont see them in higher caste "urban" India. I stayed in  Pahar Ganj in Delhi and made it a habit to walk to Connaught Square every day, all over the place. You wont see them from the swimming pool in your 5 star hotel either. What's with this 'higher caste' rubbish.  The dunny in the house I 'lived' in was a hole in the floor below the shower thing, and there was no swimming pool anywhere. Fairbloodydinkum Ian, other people have been there, done that.  You are not the first Aussie to go to India.

Now now, Aussie. Ian’s been to Pahar Ganj. He had to step over starving fakirs on the way to Connaught Circus.

He wanted to save the 60 rp rickshaw fare, obviously.

Charlie Hebdo was attacked for insulting Mohammad and everyone almost universally condemned the attack....Free speech sometimes insults people but where would we be without it....I defend the Australian for having an opinion even if I do not agree with it!!!

:-? :-? :-?

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 9:14pm:

Charlie Hebdo was attacked for insulting Mohammad and everyone almost universally condemned the attack....Free speech sometimes insults people but where would we be without it....I defend the Australian for having an opinion even if I do not agree with it!!! :-? :-? :-?

Can you tell me what that opinion was, as expressed in that cartoon?  You are defending it, so I guess you must know what it is.

Oh, we all have the right to defend Bill Leak, Phil. The Australian’s not racist.

Australia is not a race.

Aussie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 9:26pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 9:14pm: Charlie Hebdo was attacked for insulting Mohammad and everyone almost universally condemned the attack....Free speech sometimes insults people but where would we be without it....I defend the Australian for having an opinion even if I do not agree with it!!! :-? :-? :-? Can you tell me what that opinion was, as expressed in that cartoon?  You are defending it, so I guess you must know what it is.

My guess it was a swipe at Global Warming and the resources being wasted to defeat it when people are starving....By the way I am not defending it I am defending free speech....OK!!!

::) ::) ::)

Quote:

the resources being wasted

So.......how did the cartoon make that point Mr P Perth?

Aussie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 9:41pm:

Quote: the resources being wasted So.......how did the cartoon make that point Mr P Perth?

By showing rural Indians are too stupid to know what to do with mail-order solar panels, Aussie.

As Gizmo said, you should know. You have an Indian "bride".

Aussie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 7:42pm:

ian wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 7:36pm: Aussie wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 7:04pm: ian wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 6:59pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:43pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:34pm: Right..so would it make more sense for the UN/World governments to supply food, rather than electricity???....You can't eat electricity, whether it comes from solar panels(renewable power), or fossil fuel or even from nuclear.. LOL what?? Do Indians need food? As far as I know there are no starving people in India. India's poor demonstrably want solar units. Who are you and who is Bill Leak to condescendingly tell them they really don't want it? Ive been there 3 times, the 3rd time last year. I walked around dead and starving people in  the streets of Delhi.   Its cultural, the lower castes are considered worthless as human beings. Really?  I've 'lived' in urban India with my in-laws, and not one such did I see. Of course you wont see them in higher caste "urban" India. I stayed in  Pahar Ganj in Delhi and made it a habit to walk to Connaught Square every day, all over the place. You wont see them from the swimming pool in your 5 star hotel either. What's with this 'higher caste' rubbish.  The dunny in the house I 'lived' in was a hole in the floor below the shower thing, and there was no swimming pool anywhere. Fairbloodydinkum Ian, other people have been there, done that.  You are not the first Aussie to go to India.

Im calling BS on the whole,.thing. You are full of it. You trapped yourself here. Starving people living in the streets everywhere in India. Youve never been there. Another one of Aussies fabrications.

Karnal wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 8:38pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 7:42pm: ian wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 7:36pm: Aussie wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 7:04pm: ian wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 6:59pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:43pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:34pm: Right..so would it make more sense for the UN/World governments to supply food, rather than electricity???....You can't eat electricity, whether it comes from solar panels(renewable power), or fossil fuel or even from nuclear.. LOL what?? Do Indians need food? As far as I know there are no starving people in India. India's poor demonstrably want solar units. Who are you and who is Bill Leak to condescendingly tell them they really don't want it? Ive been there 3 times, the 3rd time last year. I walked around dead and starving people in  the streets of Delhi.   Its cultural, the lower castes are considered worthless as human beings. Really?  I've 'lived' in urban India with my in-laws, and not one such did I see. Of course you wont see them in higher caste "urban" India. I stayed in  Pahar Ganj in Delhi and made it a habit to walk to Connaught Square every day, all over the place. You wont see them from the swimming pool in your 5 star hotel either. What's with this 'higher caste' rubbish.  The dunny in the house I 'lived' in was a hole in the floor below the shower thing, and there was no swimming pool anywhere. Fairbloodydinkum Ian, other people have been there, done that.  You are not the first Aussie to go to India. Now now, Aussie. Ian’s been to Pahar Ganj. He had to step over starving fakirs on the way to Connaught Circus. He wanted to save the 60 rp rickshaw fare, obviously.

here are no rickshaws in  Delhi or anywhere else in India. there was 30 years ago but they have since  been banned. Also a "fakir" is a word for a street magician, they dont starve, they make a good living and are never Dalits.

Karnal wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 8:35pm:

ian wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 7:40pm: Aussie wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 7:09pm: ian wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 7:02pm: And, yes, they really do sh!t in the streets, half a billion Indians have no access to toilets, of any kind. Their governnment does however possess nuclear weapons and has billions to develop a space program. Completely f***kd culture. Many of that 'half billion' choose not to use a dunny, rather than not have access to one. Link. Your link supports the opposite of your claim, did you read it? regardless, Indian culture is degenerate and they are the filthiest and weakest people in Asia, mainly due I suspect to thousands of years on inbreeding. this is the last genetics we need polluting our gene pool in this country. Forbidding mixing of the races isn’t racism, Ian. Who’d want their sister to marry a beggar in Pahar Ganj? It’s just common sense. No mixing of the castes, thank you. These people are Curries.

You need to lay of the booze.

Aussie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 7:44pm:

ian wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 7:40pm: Aussie wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 7:09pm: ian wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 7:02pm: And, yes, they really do sh!t in the streets, half a billion Indians have no access to toilets, of any kind. Their governnment does however possess nuclear weapons and has billions to develop a space program. Completely f***kd culture. Many of that 'half billion' choose not to use a dunny, rather than not have access to one. Link. Your link supports the opposite of your claim, did you read it? regardless, Indian culture is degenerate and they are the filthiest and weakest people in Asia, mainly due I suspect to thousands of years on inbreeding. this is the last genetics we need polluting our gene pool in this country. Rubbish. Further, if they ever got the schitts with us, they'd have landed, invaded and they'd be knocking on your front door within a week of their boots on Australian ground.

Lol, Indians invading us. A nation of shopkeepers, warriors, never.

Shopkeepers who are so stupid they’ll eat solar panels.

Shopkeepers aren’t a race either, Ian.

Aussie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 9:41pm:

Quote: the resources being wasted So.......how did the cartoon make that point Mr P Perth?

Very poorly and I could be wrong....However I believe the cartoon was taking a swipe at Global Warming as a waste of time and money that could be put to better use....I never said I agreed with it!!!

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Karnal wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 12:03am:

Shopkeepers who are so stupid they’ll eat solar panels. Shopkeepers aren’t a race either, Ian.

No. they are a nation. As i stated. I suggest you lay off the booze.