Pregnant Somali asylum seeker Abyan had not ruled out abortion, FOI documents reveal

A Somali asylum seeker allegedly raped on Nauru had not ruled out terminating her pregnancy, documents obtained under Freedom of Information laws has revealed.n October, the 23-year-old woman, known as Abyan, was transferred to Australia for an abortion, an illegal procedure on Nauru, after the Federal Government's healthcare provider advised senior departmental staff "there are risks of deteriorating mental health and psychological distress".

But five days later, Immigration Minister Peter Dutton publicly stated Abyan decided not to proceed with the abortion and she was sent back to Nauru, still pregnant.

Mr Dutton also accused refugee advocates of lying about the situation.

Correspondence between senior staff at the Department of Immigration and Border Protection has now revealed why Abyan was removed from Australia.

A minute from Australian Border Force warned: "There is a risk that once in Australia [Abyan] will seek to join legal action which would prevent her return."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-02/pregnant-asylum-seeker-wanted-an-abortion-foi-documents-say/7064038


the piece of sh1t Dutton not only lied, but then accused others of lying about the situation. He should be removed from office.

The problem is that there was a danger she could use legal channels to remain in Australia.

One of the biggest benefits of off-shoring is the removal of avenues of them being able to stay.

That's my view anyway. I don't really give a toss about the rest of it.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 8:49am:

The problem is that there was a danger she could use legal channels to remain in Australia.

really? you think that's the problem? not the fact that a minister deliberately lied to the public and then tried to smear the reputation of others that defended her? that wasn't a problem for you?

This crew of rabble really is lower than a snakes belly in a wagon rut  >:(

I notice Andrei's run away now .... and he was so upset at being lied to when he thought Gillard lied  :D :D :D :D

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 8:49am:

The problem is that there was a danger she could use legal channels to remain in Australia. One of the biggest benefits of off-shoring is the removal of avenues of them being able to stay. That's my view anyway. I don't really give a toss about the rest of it.

..........yes, they once in a migration zone the ambulance chasing lawyers get rich tying up the courts at tax-payer's expense.....

Swagman wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 10:07am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 8:49am: The problem is that there was a danger she could use legal channels to remain in Australia. One of the biggest benefits of off-shoring is the removal of avenues of them being able to stay. That's my view anyway. I don't really give a toss about the rest of it. ..........yes, they once in a migration zone the ambulance chasing lawyers get rich tying up the courts at tax-payer's expense.....

And the fact that she is carrying the child of a rapist has nothing to do with it?

Bam wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 10:34am:

Swagman wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 10:07am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 8:49am: The problem is that there was a danger she could use legal channels to remain in Australia. One of the biggest benefits of off-shoring is the removal of avenues of them being able to stay. That's my view anyway. I don't really give a toss about the rest of it. ..........yes, they once in a migration zone the ambulance chasing lawyers get rich tying up the courts at tax-payer's expense..... And the fact that she is carrying the child of a rapist has nothing to do with it?

The child shouldn't be murdered because its father is a rapist.

libs lying ....


Fixed - that'll be pro rata of $1500 a day consultation fee....

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 8:49am:

The problem is that there was a danger she could use legal channels to remain in Australia.

If the Nauru government can't 1. protect vulnerable women from being raped and abused and 2. give raped women the option of abortion (which they currently don't) - then she absolutely should remain in Australia.

John Smith wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 8:51am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 8:49am: The problem is that there was a danger she could use legal channels to remain in Australia. really? you think that's the problem? not the fact that a minister deliberately lied to the public and then tried to smear the reputation of others that defended her? that wasn't a problem for you?

How unfair you don't seem to understand that there is an expectation that Labor will be a bit honest, with the Liberals there is no such expectation in any way.

They would almost be ashamed to be caught out in a truth, not that there is much chance of that occurring.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 10:42am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 8:49am: The problem is that there was a danger she could use legal channels to remain in Australia. If the Nauru government can't 1. protect vulnerable women from being raped and abused and 2. give raped women the option of abortion (which they currently don't) - then she absolutely should remain in Australia.

So nobody gets raped and abused in Australia?  ::)

F--k off ... Australia Centrelink is full.  :)

Swagman wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 10:55am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 10:42am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 8:49am: The problem is that there was a danger she could use legal channels to remain in Australia. If the Nauru government can't 1. protect vulnerable women from being raped and abused and 2. give raped women the option of abortion (which they currently don't) - then she absolutely should remain in Australia. So nobody gets raped and abused in Australia?  ::)

Fair point - we abuse asylum seekers wherever they go.

John Smith wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 8:46am:

A minute from Australian Border Force warned: "There is a risk that once in Australia [Abyan] will seek to join legal action which would prevent her return."

The illegals know this is how you rort the system - get onto Australian soil and the social apologists will do the rest

They will use the following methods
[list bull-redarrow]

Rape allegations

Children

Suicide attempts

Sew lips together

Hunger strike

Riots

Lie, Cheat



Therefore I will support ANY and ALL actions taken by ANY government to stop this rort

If the government has to lie 1,000,000 more times to stop 1 illegal from rorting - they do it with my full blessing and encouragement

I will then ask them to lie 1,000,000,000,000 more times if it means they will stop 2 illegals

Yet there are bashing's, rapes, murders and suicides in our detention facilities and our Government is lying about it....Mr Dutton and the Liberal Party are in denial about the situation in our off shore detention centres....Attacking the messenger does not change the message!!!

:-? :-? :-?

The way to stop hearing about these refugee problems is to vote in the ALP, the problems will still be there, or even get worse, but nobody will ever bring it up ever again.  ;D

Same thing happened to the anti war movement in the US when obama took office, it dissapeared overnight yet drone strikes tripled  ;D

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 12:21pm:

Yet there are bashing's, rapes, murders and suicides in our detention facilities and our Government is lying about it....Mr Dutton and the Liberal Party are in denial about the situation in our off shore detention centres....Attacking the messenger does not change the message!!! :-? :-? :-?

It does if the messenger is the message

Maqqa wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 12:01pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 8:46am: A minute from Australian Border Force warned: "There is a risk that once in Australia [Abyan] will seek to join legal action which would prevent her return." Therefore I will support ANY and ALL actions taken by ANY government to stop this rort If the government has to lie 1,000,000 more times to stop 1 illegal from rorting - they do it with my full blessing and encouragement I will then ask them to lie 1,000,000,000,000 more times if it means they will stop 2 illegals

Yep Macca is reliable he always supports Liberal lies.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 12:53pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 12:01pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 8:46am: A minute from Australian Border Force warned: "There is a risk that once in Australia [Abyan] will seek to join legal action which would prevent her return." Therefore I will support ANY and ALL actions taken by ANY government to stop this rort If the government has to lie 1,000,000 more times to stop 1 illegal from rorting - they do it with my full blessing and encouragement I will then ask them to lie 1,000,000,000,000 more times if it means they will stop 2 illegals Yep Macca is reliable he always supports Liberal lies.

Given my Muslim loving sentiments - the name is Meqqa

If the lies are to designed to keep illegals from breaking our laws - then lie away

Maqqa wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 12:58pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 12:53pm: Maqqa wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 12:01pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 8:46am: A minute from Australian Border Force warned: "There is a risk that once in Australia [Abyan] will seek to join legal action which would prevent her return." Therefore I will support ANY and ALL actions taken by ANY government to stop this rort If the government has to lie 1,000,000 more times to stop 1 illegal from rorting - they do it with my full blessing and encouragement I will then ask them to lie 1,000,000,000,000 more times if it means they will stop 2 illegals Yep Macca is reliable he always supports Liberal lies. Given my Muslim loving sentiments - the name is Meqqa If the lies are to designed to keep illegals from breaking our laws - then lie away

Good one - had to read that twice to get it.. first read said Maqqa.. just goes to show...

Maqqa wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 12:01pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 8:46am: A minute from Australian Border Force warned: "There is a risk that once in Australia [Abyan] will seek to join legal action which would prevent her return." The illegals know this is how you rort the system - get onto Australian soil and the social apologists will do the rest They will use the following methods [list bull-redarrow] Rape allegations Children Suicide attempts Sew lips together Hunger strike Riots Lie, Cheat Therefore I will support ANY and ALL actions taken by ANY government to stop this rort If the government has to lie 1,000,000 more times to stop 1 illegal from rorting - they do it with my full blessing and encouragement I will then ask them to lie 1,000,000,000,000 more times if it means they will stop 2 illegals

People should recognise and ignore now how pointless any post is from maqqa.  No standards (or at best double standards).  Government should never be lying - it's the rule of law.

Maqqa wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 12:58pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 12:53pm: Maqqa wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 12:01pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 8:46am: A minute from Australian Border Force warned: "There is a risk that once in Australia [Abyan] will seek to join legal action which would prevent her return." Therefore I will support ANY and ALL actions taken by ANY government to stop this rort If the government has to lie 1,000,000 more times to stop 1 illegal from rorting - they do it with my full blessing and encouragement I will then ask them to lie 1,000,000,000,000 more times if it means they will stop 2 illegals Yep Macca is reliable he always supports Liberal lies. Given my Muslim loving sentiments - the name is Meqqa If the lies are to designed to keep illegals from breaking our laws - then lie away

Funny how people are labelled as illegals while doing nothing illegal.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 2:16pm:

Funny how people are labelled as illegals while doing nothing illegal.

Yet the UN Refugee convention label them as illegal aliens  :o :o

Maqqa wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 2:18pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 2:16pm: Funny how people are labelled as illegals while doing nothing illegal. Yet the UN Refugee convention label them as illegal aliens  :o :o

Was it the ones from Mars ?

Do not suppose that you can quote a reference or article number ?

Dnarever wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 2:16pm:

Funny how people are labelled as illegals while doing nothing illegal.

Give them enough time and they will be illegal soon enough, but the idiot left regard the rorting of centrelink as worthy of a badge of honour so maybe they will never be viewed as illegal in their eyes, even after a stretch. 

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 3:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 2:16pm: Funny how people are labelled as illegals while doing nothing illegal. Give them enough time and they will be illegal soon enough, but the idiot left regard the rorting of centrelink as worthy of a badge of honour so maybe they will never be viewed as illegal in their eyes, even after a stretch.

You seem to think or more accurately to wander and ramble outside the box.

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 12:21pm:

Yet there are bashing's, rapes, murders and suicides in our detention facilities and our Government is lying about it....Mr Dutton and the Liberal Party are in denial about the situation in our off shore detention centres....Attacking the messenger does not change the message!!! :-? :-? :-?

So lets bring these thugs, rapists and murderers, not forgetting the odd terrorist or two, into Australia...open the doors...........maybe you would accommodate one or two eh philperth?

:-? :-? :-?

Swagman wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 10:37am:

Bam wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 10:34am: Swagman wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 10:07am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 8:49am: The problem is that there was a danger she could use legal channels to remain in Australia. One of the biggest benefits of off-shoring is the removal of avenues of them being able to stay. That's my view anyway. I don't really give a toss about the rest of it. ..........yes, they once in a migration zone the ambulance chasing lawyers get rich tying up the courts at tax-payer's expense..... And the fact that she is carrying the child of a rapist has nothing to do with it? The child shouldn't be murdered because its father is a rapist.

I didn't see you putting your name up to adopt it

Maqqa wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 12:01pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 8:46am: A minute from Australian Border Force warned: "There is a risk that once in Australia [Abyan] will seek to join legal action which would prevent her return." The illegals know this is how you rort the system - get onto Australian soil and the social apologists will do the rest They will use the following methods [list bull-redarrow] Rape allegations Children Suicide attempts Sew lips together Hunger strike Riots Lie, Cheat Therefore I will support ANY and ALL actions taken by ANY government to stop this rort If the government has to lie 1,000,000 more times to stop 1 illegal from rorting - they do it with my full blessing and encouragement I will then ask them to lie 1,000,000,000,000 more times if it means they will stop 2 illegals

why can't they just say you can't come in because we don't want you to gain access to our legal system? You were one of the biggest whingers on here about being lied to when it was about the carbon tax, now you ask them to lie  1,000,000,000,000 more times?

You are either
A. An idiot
B. A dumb hypocrite
C. all of the above

Fuzzball wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 3:18pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 12:21pm: Yet there are bashing's, rapes, murders and suicides in our detention facilities and our Government is lying about it....Mr Dutton and the Liberal Party are in denial about the situation in our off shore detention centres....Attacking the messenger does not change the message!!! :-? :-? :-? So lets bring these thugs, rapists and murderers, not forgetting the odd terrorist or two, into Australia...open the doors...........maybe you would accommodate one or two eh philperth? :-? :-? :-?

it was a pregnant woman .... don't try to change the topic.

Fuzzball wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 3:18pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 12:21pm: Yet there are bashing's, rapes, murders and suicides in our detention facilities and our Government is lying about it....Mr Dutton and the Liberal Party are in denial about the situation in our off shore detention centres....Attacking the messenger does not change the message!!! :-? :-? :-? So lets bring these thugs, rapists and murderers, not forgetting the odd terrorist or two, into Australia...open the doors...........maybe you would accommodate one or two eh philperth? :-? :-? :-?

You know they incarcerate criminals with asylum seeker, children too, on Nauru, don't you?

Fuzzball wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 3:18pm:

So lets bring these thugs, rapists and murderers, not forgetting the odd terrorist or two, into Australia...open the doors....

they did that over 200 yrs ago .... did you assimilate?

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 10:42am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 8:49am: The problem is that there was a danger she could use legal channels to remain in Australia. If the Nauru government can't 1. protect vulnerable women from being raped and abused and 2. give raped women the option of abortion (which they currently don't) - then she absolutely should remain in Australia.

how exactly do you do that? The entire globe breathlessly awaits your answer to the problem of rape.

John Smith wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 3:32pm:

Fuzzball wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 3:18pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 12:21pm: Yet there are bashing's, rapes, murders and suicides in our detention facilities and our Government is lying about it....Mr Dutton and the Liberal Party are in denial about the situation in our off shore detention centres....Attacking the messenger does not change the message!!! :-? :-? :-? So lets bring these thugs, rapists and murderers, not forgetting the odd terrorist or two, into Australia...open the doors...........maybe you would accommodate one or two eh philperth? :-? :-? :-? it was a pregnant woman .... don't try to change the topic.

Did I slap the back of your head?.......NO......So PO and mind your own business fool.

Fuzzball wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 3:48pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 3:32pm: Fuzzball wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 3:18pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 12:21pm: Yet there are bashing's, rapes, murders and suicides in our detention facilities and our Government is lying about it....Mr Dutton and the Liberal Party are in denial about the situation in our off shore detention centres....Attacking the messenger does not change the message!!! :-? :-? :-? So lets bring these thugs, rapists and murderers, not forgetting the odd terrorist or two, into Australia...open the doors...........maybe you would accommodate one or two eh philperth? :-? :-? :-? it was a pregnant woman .... don't try to change the topic. Did I slap the back of your head?.......NO......So PO and mind your own business fool.

you couldn't slap me on the back of the head even if someone held your hand while you were doing it. You don't like it, you piss off and spread your bullsh1t elsewhere

John Smith wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 3:52pm:

Fuzzball wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 3:48pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 3:32pm: Fuzzball wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 3:18pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 12:21pm: Yet there are bashing's, rapes, murders and suicides in our detention facilities and our Government is lying about it....Mr Dutton and the Liberal Party are in denial about the situation in our off shore detention centres....Attacking the messenger does not change the message!!! :-? :-? :-? So lets bring these thugs, rapists and murderers, not forgetting the odd terrorist or two, into Australia...open the doors...........maybe you would accommodate one or two eh philperth? :-? :-? :-? it was a pregnant woman .... don't try to change the topic. Did I slap the back of your head?.......NO......So PO and mind your own business fool. you couldn't slap me on the back of the head even if someone held your hand while you were doing it. You don't like it, you piss off and spread your bullsh1t elsewhere

The only BS comes out of your infantile mouth........now go and get your pat on the back little girl.....

Fuzzball wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 3:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 3:52pm: Fuzzball wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 3:48pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 3:32pm: Fuzzball wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 3:18pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 12:21pm: Yet there are bashing's, rapes, murders and suicides in our detention facilities and our Government is lying about it....Mr Dutton and the Liberal Party are in denial about the situation in our off shore detention centres....Attacking the messenger does not change the message!!! :-? :-? :-? So lets bring these thugs, rapists and murderers, not forgetting the odd terrorist or two, into Australia...open the doors...........maybe you would accommodate one or two eh philperth? :-? :-? :-? it was a pregnant woman .... don't try to change the topic. Did I slap the back of your head?.......NO......So PO and mind your own business fool. you couldn't slap me on the back of the head even if someone held your hand while you were doing it. You don't like it, you piss off and spread your bullsh1t elsewhere The only BS comes out of your infantile mouth........now go and get your pat on the back little girl.....

yes, cause that was such a grown up comment :D :D :D :D

you'd be better served slapping yourself on the back of the head ... you've made a total jackass of yourself today (again)

Fuzzball wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 3:18pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 12:21pm: Yet there are bashing's, rapes, murders and suicides in our detention facilities and our Government is lying about it....Mr Dutton and the Liberal Party are in denial about the situation in our off shore detention centres....Attacking the messenger does not change the message!!! :-? :-? :-? So lets bring these thugs, rapists and murderers, not forgetting the odd terrorist or two, into Australia...open the doors...........maybe you would accommodate one or two eh philperth? :-? :-? :-?

I am not advocating any such things....My comment was clearly aimed at the treatment of asylum seekers in detention and the Governments lying about it and covering enquiries in secrecy....The Government is not a law unto itself and must be held to account!!!

::) ::) ::)

Looks like they all support the lies, especially Macca who is lobbying for a billion or so more.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 5:55pm:

Looks like they all support the lies, especially Macca who is lobbying for a billion or so more.

Note to self : ....

conservatives now say lying is good.

Any action the government takes to stop these people from rorting the system - I support

If it means lying - go for it

Maqqa wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 9:33pm:

Any action the government takes to stop these people from rorting the system - I support If it means lying - go for it

why can't they stop them by telling the truth gumpy? they didn't lie to her they lied to their voting public. It's disgraceful behaviour and he should be removed for such blatant lying

Maqqa wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 12:01pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 8:46am: A minute from Australian Border Force warned: "There is a risk that once in Australia [Abyan] will seek to join legal action which would prevent her return." The illegals know this is how you rort the system - get onto Australian soil and the social apologists will do the rest They will use the following methods [list bull-redarrow] Rape allegations Children Suicide attempts Sew lips together Hunger strike Riots Lie, Cheat Therefore I will support ANY and ALL actions taken by ANY government to stop this rort If the government has to lie 1,000,000 more times to stop 1 illegal from rorting - they do it with my full blessing and encouragement I will then ask them to lie 1,000,000,000,000 more times if it means they will stop 2 illegals

You've wandered into the wrong thread.

This is a thread about an asylum seeker - not an "illegal".

Keep trying.

Maqqa wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 9:33pm:

Any action the government takes to stop these people from rorting the system - I support If it means lying - go for it

It is the Australian government rorting the system , refugees are meant to have reasonable access to the legal system, it is the politicians going to extraordinary lengths to circumvent the intentions of the UN agreements we are signed up to.

Maqqa wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 9:33pm:

Any action the government takes to stop these people from rorting the system - I support If it means lying - go for it

Is this the same Macca that cried for 3 years about one perceived lie by Julia Gillard ?

At least you make no pretence to not being a hypocrite.

John Smith wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 8:46am:

the piece of sh1t Dutton not only lied, but then accused others of lying about the situation. He should be removed from office.

You'd have to remove all Liberal politicians from office, if that's the standards you measure them by.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 10:22pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 9:33pm: Any action the government takes to stop these people from rorting the system - I support If it means lying - go for it Is this the same Macca that cried for 3 years about one perceived lie by Julia Gillard ? At least you make no pretence to not being a hypocrite.

If he government has to lie to stop these people from rorting the immigration system then I am all for it

JuLIAR was funny!!

Maqqa wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 5:15am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 10:22pm: Maqqa wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 9:33pm: Any action the government takes to stop these people from rorting the system - I support If it means lying - go for it Is this the same Macca that cried for 3 years about one perceived lie by Julia Gillard ? At least you make no pretence to not being a hypocrite. If he government has to lie to stop these people from rorting the immigration system then I am all for it JuLIAR was funny!!

They are not rorting anything.

Maqqa wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 5:15am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 10:22pm: Maqqa wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 9:33pm: Any action the government takes to stop these people from rorting the system - I support If it means lying - go for it Is this the same Macca that cried for 3 years about one perceived lie by Julia Gillard ? At least you make no pretence to not being a hypocrite. If he government has to lie to stop these people from rorting the immigration system then I am all for it JuLIAR was funny!!

How is wanting to have the right to an abortion after being raped in incarceration 'rorting' the system?

mothra wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 7:44am:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 5:15am: Dnarever wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 10:22pm: Maqqa wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 9:33pm: Any action the government takes to stop these people from rorting the system - I support If it means lying - go for it Is this the same Macca that cried for 3 years about one perceived lie by Julia Gillard ? At least you make no pretence to not being a hypocrite. If he government has to lie to stop these people from rorting the immigration system then I am all for it JuLIAR was funny!! How is wanting to have the right to an abortion after being raped in incarceration 'rorting' the system?

The liberals fear is based on the fact that once in Australia she would be subject to Australian Law and what is happening with off shore detention is not allowable under Australian law. It may not be possible to send her back once she was in Australia and covered by proper laws.

A big part of off shore processing is that it allows the government protection against Australia's legal system. The government need this protection to allow the many breaches of Australian Law that the process contains.

Maqqa wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 5:15am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 10:22pm: Maqqa wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 9:33pm: Any action the government takes to stop these people from rorting the system - I support If it means lying - go for it Is this the same Macca that cried for 3 years about one perceived lie by Julia Gillard ? At least you make no pretence to not being a hypocrite. If he government has to lie to stop these people from rorting the immigration system then I am all for it

You've wandered into the wrong thread.

The OP isn't about anyone rorting the immigration system.

mothra wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 7:44am:

How is wanting to have the right to an abortion after being raped in incarceration 'rorting' the system?

Was there a rape?

Read the article again if you don't understand how they are rorting the system

Dnarever wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 9:41am:

The liberals fear is based on the fact that once in Australia she would be subject to Australian Law and what is happening with off shore detention is not allowable under Australian law. It may not be possible to send her back once she was in Australia and covered by proper laws. A big part of off shore processing is that it allows the government protection against Australia's legal system. The government need this protection to allow the many breaches of Australian Law that the process contains.

It's called mischievous litigation

The Greens group are using it to stop projects in Australia

They know they won't win but tie up the courts and use claim legal aid i.e. huge costs to Australia

Maqqa wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 11:32am:

mothra wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 7:44am: How is wanting to have the right to an abortion after being raped in incarceration 'rorting' the system? Was there a rape? Read the article again if you don't understand how they are rorting the system

There's no rorting of the immigration system in the OP.

You've either read a different story, or you are very confused.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 11:36am:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 11:32am: mothra wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 7:44am: How is wanting to have the right to an abortion after being raped in incarceration 'rorting' the system? Was there a rape? Read the article again if you don't understand how they are rorting the system There's no rorting of the immigration system in the OP. You've either read a different story, or you are very confused.

You've not read the article

Maqqa wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 11:38am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 11:36am: Maqqa wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 11:32am: mothra wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 7:44am: How is wanting to have the right to an abortion after being raped in incarceration 'rorting' the system? Was there a rape? Read the article again if you don't understand how they are rorting the system There's no rorting of the immigration system in the OP. You've either read a different story, or you are very confused. You've not read the article

I certainly have.

Now, the onus is on you to prove your claim that the immigration system is being rorted.

Your failure to do so, or an answer along the lines of "google is your friend", will render your argument invalid.

John Smith wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 8:46am:

Correspondence between senior staff at the Department of Immigration and Border Protection has now revealed why Abyan was removed from Australia. A minute from Australian Border Force warned: "There is a risk that once in Australia [Abyan] will seek to join legal action which would prevent her return."

White flag accepted.

There's no cure for your stupidity

Your time is up.

You failed to provide proof that the immigration system was being rorted, thus, your argument has now been deemed invalid.

No further correspondence will be entered into.

Maqqa wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 11:56am:

There's no cure for your stupidity

Personal attacks now?

Maqqa wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 12:01pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 8:46am: A minute from Australian Border Force warned: "There is a risk that once in Australia [Abyan] will seek to join legal action which would prevent her return." The illegals know this is how you rort the system - get onto Australian soil and the social apologists will do the rest They will use the following methods [list bull-redarrow] Rape allegations Children Suicide attempts Sew lips together Hunger strike Riots Lie, Cheat Therefore I will support ANY and ALL actions taken by ANY government to stop this rort If the government has to lie 1,000,000 more times to stop 1 illegal from rorting - they do it with my full blessing and encouragement I will then ask them to lie 1,000,000,000,000 more times if it means they will stop 2 illegals

You consider "using the law" to be a "rort"

Maqqa wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 11:34am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 9:41am: The liberals fear is based on the fact that once in Australia she would be subject to Australian Law and what is happening with off shore detention is not allowable under Australian law. It may not be possible to send her back once she was in Australia and covered by proper laws. A big part of off shore processing is that it allows the government protection against Australia's legal system. The government need this protection to allow the many breaches of Australian Law that the process contains. It's called mischievous litigation The Greens group are using it to stop projects in Australia They know they won't win but tie up the courts and use claim legal aid i.e. huge costs to Australia

The governments fear wasn't based on mischievous litigation their problem was that they knew she would win the case.

Kytro wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 2:20pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 12:01pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 8:46am: A minute from Australian Border Force warned: "There is a risk that once in Australia [Abyan] will seek to join legal action which would prevent her return." The illegals know this is how you rort the system - get onto Australian soil and the social apologists will do the rest They will use the following methods [list bull-redarrow] Rape allegations Children Suicide attempts Sew lips together Hunger strike Riots Lie, Cheat Therefore I will support ANY and ALL actions taken by ANY government to stop this rort If the government has to lie 1,000,000 more times to stop 1 illegal from rorting - they do it with my full blessing and encouragement I will then ask them to lie 1,000,000,000,000 more times if it means they will stop 2 illegals You consider "using the law" to be a "rort"

Not only that, he also thinks that asylum seekers are "illegals".

mothra wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 3:38pm:

Fuzzball wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 3:18pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 12:21pm: Yet there are bashing's, rapes, murders and suicides in our detention facilities and our Government is lying about it....Mr Dutton and the Liberal Party are in denial about the situation in our off shore detention centres....Attacking the messenger does not change the message!!! :-? :-? :-? So lets bring these thugs, rapists and murderers, not forgetting the odd terrorist or two, into Australia...open the doors...........maybe you would accommodate one or two eh philperth? :-? :-? :-? You know they incarcerate criminals with asylum seeker, children too, on Nauru, don't you?

trouble is that is a myth.  but never let a fact interfere with a leftie rant.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 9:59pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 12:01pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 8:46am: A minute from Australian Border Force warned: "There is a risk that once in Australia [Abyan] will seek to join legal action which would prevent her return." The illegals know this is how you rort the system - get onto Australian soil and the social apologists will do the rest They will use the following methods [list bull-redarrow] Rape allegations Children Suicide attempts Sew lips together Hunger strike Riots Lie, Cheat Therefore I will support ANY and ALL actions taken by ANY government to stop this rort If the government has to lie 1,000,000 more times to stop 1 illegal from rorting - they do it with my full blessing and encouragement I will then ask them to lie 1,000,000,000,000 more times if it means they will stop 2 illegals You've wandered into the wrong thread. This is a thread about an asylum seeker - not an "illegal". Keep trying.

same thing pointless public servant.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 9:59pm: Maqqa wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 12:01pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 8:46am: A minute from Australian Border Force warned: "There is a risk that once in Australia [Abyan] will seek to join legal action which would prevent her return." The illegals know this is how you rort the system - get onto Australian soil and the social apologists will do the rest They will use the following methods [list bull-redarrow] Rape allegations Children Suicide attempts Sew lips together Hunger strike Riots Lie, Cheat Therefore I will support ANY and ALL actions taken by ANY government to stop this rort If the government has to lie 1,000,000 more times to stop 1 illegal from rorting - they do it with my full blessing and encouragement I will then ask them to lie 1,000,000,000,000 more times if it means they will stop 2 illegals You've wandered into the wrong thread. This is a thread about an asylum seeker - not an "illegal". Keep trying. same thing .

Not even close.

mothra wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 7:44am:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 5:15am: Dnarever wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 10:22pm: Maqqa wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 9:33pm: Any action the government takes to stop these people from rorting the system - I support If it means lying - go for it Is this the same Macca that cried for 3 years about one perceived lie by Julia Gillard ? At least you make no pretence to not being a hypocrite. If he government has to lie to stop these people from rorting the immigration system then I am all for it JuLIAR was funny!! How is wanting to have the right to an abortion after being raped in incarceration 'rorting' the system?

she didnt want one despite being pressured bny feminist lefties like you.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 11:54am:

White flag accepted.

there is no lamer statement from this. when you have to announce your own victory, everyone else just laughs.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 11:54am: White flag accepted. there is no lamer statement from this. when you have to announce your own victory, everyone else just laughs.

Can't help noticing that you have been dancing all over the place but stayed away from this actual topic, unlike Macca you have not openly supported lying but you also haven't condemned it.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 11:54am: White flag accepted. there is no lamer statement from this. when you have to announce your own victory, everyone else just laughs.

;D ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D

I actually agree with the highlighted comment

but what makes it even funnier is that of all the posters on this forum, you and Maria are the ones who announce your own victory more than any others

;D ;D ;D ;D

John Smith wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 7:14pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 6:28pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 11:54am: White flag accepted. there is no lamer statement from this. when you have to announce your own victory, everyone else just laughs. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I actually agree with the highlighted comment but what makes it even funnier is that of all the posters on this forum, you and Maria are the ones who announce your own victory more than any others ;D ;D ;D ;D

Longy/Maria always marks his own homework.

The guy is a joke.

We all know that.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:39pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 6:28pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 11:54am: White flag accepted. there is no lamer statement from this. when you have to announce your own victory, everyone else just laughs. Can't help noticing that you have been dancing all over the place but stayed away from this actual topic, unlike Macca you have not openly supported lying but you also haven't condemned it.

you would be the last person around able to make that statement. you cannot accept a single fact not in accordance with your ideology.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:26pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 7:44am: Maqqa wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 5:15am: Dnarever wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 10:22pm: Maqqa wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 9:33pm: Any action the government takes to stop these people from rorting the system - I support If it means lying - go for it Is this the same Macca that cried for 3 years about one perceived lie by Julia Gillard ? At least you make no pretence to not being a hypocrite. If he government has to lie to stop these people from rorting the immigration system then I am all for it JuLIAR was funny!! How is wanting to have the right to an abortion after being raped in incarceration 'rorting' the system? she didnt want one despite being pressured bny feminist lefties like you.

you can't even read can you? who said she didn't want one? she wasn't given a choice

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:26pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 7:44am: Maqqa wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 5:15am: Dnarever wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 10:22pm: Maqqa wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 9:33pm: Any action the government takes to stop these people from rorting the system - I support If it means lying - go for it Is this the same Macca that cried for 3 years about one perceived lie by Julia Gillard ? At least you make no pretence to not being a hypocrite. If he government has to lie to stop these people from rorting the immigration system then I am all for it JuLIAR was funny!! How is wanting to have the right to an abortion after being raped in incarceration 'rorting' the system? she didnt want one despite being pressured bny feminist lefties like you.

Didn't read the OP, did you?

Feeling a bit foolish now?

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 7:25am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 6:39pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 6:28pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 11:54am: White flag accepted. there is no lamer statement from this. when you have to announce your own victory, everyone else just laughs. Can't help noticing that you have been dancing all over the place but stayed away from this actual topic, unlike Macca you have not openly supported lying but you also haven't condemned it. you would be the last person around able to make that statement. you cannot accept a single fact not in accordance with your ideology.

Makes me sound just like you.

you cannot accept a single fact

Much of your opinion is distant from fact. You probably get this impression because I disagree when you are wrong and that seems to be frequently.

John Smith wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:06am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 6:26pm: mothra wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 7:44am: Maqqa wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 5:15am: Dnarever wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 10:22pm: Maqqa wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 9:33pm: Any action the government takes to stop these people from rorting the system - I support If it means lying - go for it Is this the same Macca that cried for 3 years about one perceived lie by Julia Gillard ? At least you make no pretence to not being a hypocrite. If he government has to lie to stop these people from rorting the immigration system then I am all for it JuLIAR was funny!! How is wanting to have the right to an abortion after being raped in incarceration 'rorting' the system? she didnt want one despite being pressured bny feminist lefties like you. you can't even read can you? who said she didn't want one? she wasn't given a choice

she was but being the stupid fool that you are... you didnt know that

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 5:31pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 8:06am: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 6:26pm: mothra wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 7:44am: Maqqa wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 5:15am: Dnarever wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 10:22pm: Maqqa wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 9:33pm: Any action the government takes to stop these people from rorting the system - I support If it means lying - go for it Is this the same Macca that cried for 3 years about one perceived lie by Julia Gillard ? At least you make no pretence to not being a hypocrite. If he government has to lie to stop these people from rorting the immigration system then I am all for it JuLIAR was funny!! How is wanting to have the right to an abortion after being raped in incarceration 'rorting' the system? she didnt want one despite being pressured bny feminist lefties like you. you can't even read can you? who said she didn't want one? she wasn't given a choice she was but being the stupid fool that you are... you didnt know that

she didnt want one

This was one of the lies attributed to the Liberal minister, it is untrue.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:26pm:

she didnt want one despite being pressured bny feminist lefties like you.

Abyan 'made it clear she had not changed her mind'


......Abyan's position was immediately conveyed to the department........

.....Ms Tranter said Abyan's wishes were clear and they were misrepresented.......

....."The documents certainly suggest that in the case of Abyan that the department, at least two senior bureaucrats within the Department of Immigration and Border Protection were certainly aware that Abyan had not refused to have a termination," she said........

...."Either the minister was misinformed by his department about the actual circumstances around Abyan's case, in which case he'd have a serious problem, or he did know and again he would have a serious problem........

Dnarever wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 5:47pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 6:26pm: she didnt want one despite being pressured bny feminist lefties like you. Abyan 'made it clear she had not changed her mind' ......Abyan's position was immediately conveyed to the department........ .....Ms Tranter said Abyan's wishes were clear and they were misrepresented....... ....."The documents certainly suggest that in the case of Abyan that the department, at least two senior bureaucrats within the Department of Immigration and Border Protection were certainly aware that Abyan had not refused to have a termination," she said........ ...."Either the minister was misinformed by his department about the actual circumstances around Abyan's case, in which case he'd have a serious problem, or he did know and again he would have a serious problem........

neither of which amounts to a lie...

or at least 'lie' as it is understood in the actual english language