Child care: Government downplays impact of predicted 14 per cent price rise by July 2017
By political reporter Francis Keany
ABC News Dec 2 2016


The Federal Government has promised its overhaul of the child care system will help keep costs down, amid predictions fees will rise by 14 per cent by July 2017.

The Department of Social Services expects the costs of long day care to increase 6.5 per cent this financial year, and 7.3 per cent by July 2017.   :(

In an answer tendered to a Senate Estimates committee on notice, the DSS said it does not include potential "behavioural changes" when the Federal Government's proposed child care overhaul comes into force.

That would mean fees for a handful of day care centres in Sydney could hit $200 a day, and $150 a day in parts of inner Melbourne.   :o

But Education Minister Simon Birmingham said most other centres would be much cheaper.

"And if they are being charged in some instances, they are clearly outliers and that's why I would encourage parents to scrutinise very carefully what they're being charged and to quiz those sorts of service providers," he said.

"Overall though, we are going, in our reforms, to apply an hourly fee limit of $11.50."

Mr Birmingham has promised a cap in terms of subsidised cost per hourly care, as well as streamlined subsidies for parents, as part of the changes.

Mr Birmingham said the Government's child care overhaul, which comes into force in 18 months' time, would put "downward pressure on prices".

"I know that there are real cost pressures out there which is why we are applying a new rate of childcare subsidy that we hope to get through the Parliament this year," he said.

But his Labor counterpart Kate Ellis said the changes would be detrimental, and the predicted increases would make child care too expensive for some families.   :(

"We know that many families will simply not be able to afford the cost of child care," she said.

She said the Government needed to take action to stop the increases as soon as possible.

"There will be absolutely nothing which is done to assist families until mid-2017, and even when the Government's reforms come into effect, modelling shows one in four families will be further worse off," she said.

Should be called "Child Storage".

They have to pay for Tonys rich mums PPL some how.

Its time wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:33am:

They have to pay for Tonys rich mums PPL some how.

Tony not PM now. PM name Malcolm...

at $50K/yr for childcare, why would a mum work? she'd need to make $70K just to cover it and what if she had three?

the govt causes the problem by mandating so many rules, so many staff and making it near impossible to run cheaply.

I fully agree with these changes. Why should parents who do not work get the same subsidies as parents who do work and contribute to the economy? It's just wrong. My wife and I both work and it irks us both to see parents at our kids' childcare centre getting the same or higher subsidies than we do when they don't work. As far as I am concerned, if they don't work, they get less in subsidies. I'm not saying that they should be banned from using childcare services, as the children do benefit academically from it. But if they're just using it as a babysitting service then of course they should be made to pay more. Finding places these days is extremely hard and I personally know a lot of parents who can't work at all or can't work full-time (despite wanting to) because they can't get their kids into the local childcare centre either 5 days a week or at all. That's wrong and it hurts the economy.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 7:53am:

at $50K/yr for childcare, why would a mum work? she'd need to make $70K just to cover it and what if she had three? the govt causes the problem by mandating so many rules, so many staff and making it near impossible to run cheaply.

It's not a babysitting service. It's not like in the early 80's when Council's ran the centres and they did a bit of learning with lots of playtime and painting under the watch of unqualified staff. These days staff need at least a TAFE Cert III, with room leaders needing a Diploma. The days are highly structured with lots of learning and of course, lots of fun too. My kids' childcare centre is great. With regard to the cost, yes it's expensive - very. I used to say (and still do) that childcare is like a second mortgage. If fees rise much more in future, I'll have to start saying that "having a mortgage is like a second childcare".

$200 - What a rip-off.

People should find a solo mother to leave their kids with &
pay with cash under the table.
Maybe $40 a day.

We need Uber child care.  :)

Bobby. wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 8:59am:

$200 - What a rip-off. People should find a solo mother to leave their kids with & pay with cash under the table. Maybe $40 a day.

bloody hell


lets see you mind a screaming kid for 8 hours for $40 a day.....

even when they are pretty good its still damn hard work..

shows you men have never done it full time.

cods wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 9:07am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 8:59am: $200 - What a rip-off. People should find a solo mother to leave their kids with & pay with cash under the table. Maybe $40 a day. bloody hell lets see you mind a screaming kid for 8 hours for $40 a day..... even when they are pretty good its still damn hard work.. shows you men have never done it full time.

I have never had to look after a kid for a day -

just a few minutes would drive me crazy.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 8:59am:

$200 - What a rip-off. People should find a solo mother to leave their kids with & pay with cash under the table. Maybe $40 a day.

You seem to think childcare is just babysitting and watching the kids play. No. The staff teach the kids quite a lot of things (for which they require qualifications) and also must hold first aid qualifications (as kids can and do get hurt) and undergo working with kids checks. It's not a matter of simply playing with the kids - there's a lot more to it.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 9:09am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 8:59am: $200 - What a rip-off. People should find a solo mother to leave their kids with & pay with cash under the table. Maybe $40 a day. You seem to think childcare is just babysitting and watching the kids play. No. The staff teach the kids quite a lot of things (for which they require qualifications) and also must hold first aid qualifications (as kids can and do get hurt) and undergo working with kids checks. It's not a matter of simply playing with the kids - there's a lot more to it.

When I was a kid a local solo mother used to look after more than 10 kids on the cheap -
now it's just a money making racket.

( I have fond memories of staying there myself as a little kid )

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 8:05am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 7:53am: at $50K/yr for childcare, why would a mum work? she'd need to make $70K just to cover it and what if she had three? the govt causes the problem by mandating so many rules, so many staff and making it near impossible to run cheaply. It's not a babysitting service. It's not like in the early 80's when Council's ran the centres and they did a bit of learning with lots of playtime and painting under the watch of unqualified staff. These days staff need at least a TAFE Cert III, with room leaders needing a Diploma. The days are highly structured with lots of learning and of course, lots of fun too. My kids' childcare centre is great. With regard to the cost, yes it's expensive - very. I used to say (and still do) that childcare is like a second mortgage. If fees rise much more in future, I'll have to start saying that "having a mortgage is like a second childcare".

so much for paid maternity leave... enough will never be en ough....I said that from the word go..

we all want it NOW but we dont want to PAY for it...

my grandkids are now all in school...so you have options...what annoys me is... its now almost everyone elses problem when a couple decide to have a family....

first they want free medical.. then they want paying to be away from work.......then they start thinking...

oh thats right we now have the little darling...what happens now??..... lets go for free childcare untill the little MUST HAVE goes to school..

well its only fair isnt it??>.. I wouldnt have had the baby if the govt hadnt paid me to take time off... ::) ::) ::) ::)..

for goodness sakes.. you make these choices.... get on with it.. like we had too...

I cant believe the whining of this generation   whinge whinge and want want... >:( >:( >:(

Bobby. wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 9:11am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 9:09am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 8:59am: $200 - What a rip-off. People should find a solo mother to leave their kids with & pay with cash under the table. Maybe $40 a day. You seem to think childcare is just babysitting and watching the kids play. No. The staff teach the kids quite a lot of things (for which they require qualifications) and also must hold first aid qualifications (as kids can and do get hurt) and undergo working with kids checks. It's not a matter of simply playing with the kids - there's a lot more to it. When I was a kid a local solo mother used to look after more than 10 kids on the cheap - now it's just a money making racket. ( I have fond memories of staying there myself as a little kid )

And that was not a MONEY MAKING RACKET  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Bobby. wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 9:11am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 9:09am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 8:59am: $200 - What a rip-off. People should find a solo mother to leave their kids with & pay with cash under the table. Maybe $40 a day. You seem to think childcare is just babysitting and watching the kids play. No. The staff teach the kids quite a lot of things (for which they require qualifications) and also must hold first aid qualifications (as kids can and do get hurt) and undergo working with kids checks. It's not a matter of simply playing with the kids - there's a lot more to it. When I was a kid a local solo mother used to look after more than 10 kids on the cheap - now it's just a money making racket. ( I have fond memories of staying there myself as a little kid )

yes they were allowed to play in mud out the back.. they are not allowed too anymore....

if you look after children in your home you have to have a licence to do so...

and these mothers expect the best these days but dont want to pay for it..

why should the mum go and earn something like $30 an hour... and expect to pay someone else in the region of $4 an hour..to mind their baby/child.....

aussie100percent wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 9:14am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 9:11am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 9:09am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 8:59am: $200 - What a rip-off. People should find a solo mother to leave their kids with & pay with cash under the table. Maybe $40 a day. You seem to think childcare is just babysitting and watching the kids play. No. The staff teach the kids quite a lot of things (for which they require qualifications) and also must hold first aid qualifications (as kids can and do get hurt) and undergo working with kids checks. It's not a matter of simply playing with the kids - there's a lot more to it. When I was a kid a local solo mother used to look after more than 10 kids on the cheap - now it's just a money making racket. ( I have fond memories of staying there myself as a little kid ) And that was not a MONEY MAKING RACKET  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

No - it was cheap & affordable - not like rip-offs these days.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 9:43am:

aussie100percent wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 9:14am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 9:11am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 9:09am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 8:59am: $200 - What a rip-off. People should find a solo mother to leave their kids with & pay with cash under the table. Maybe $40 a day. You seem to think childcare is just babysitting and watching the kids play. No. The staff teach the kids quite a lot of things (for which they require qualifications) and also must hold first aid qualifications (as kids can and do get hurt) and undergo working with kids checks. It's not a matter of simply playing with the kids - there's a lot more to it. When I was a kid a local solo mother used to look after more than 10 kids on the cheap - now it's just a money making racket. ( I have fond memories of staying there myself as a little kid ) And that was not a MONEY MAKING RACKET  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D No - it was cheap & affordable - not like rip-offs these days.

bobs nothing was cheap...in any day.....the difference then was there was no childcare places....posh ones with all the equipment all of which has to be paid for.. my daughter just after she left school worked in childcare.. she was also expected to weed the gardens... ::) ::).. for something like $3 a day.. to be honest I cant remember but it was a pittance..even then...... the staff now are equal I believe to most other trades....I mean if someone who cuts your hair earns more than someone who cares for your child.. something is wrong.,..

I know women who pay $300 every time they go to the hairdresser.....and think nothing of it...they also pay hundreds for skin care and nails....look at the cost of a personal trainer.... ::) ::) ::) ::)

think nothin gof it..

but whinge like crazy about paying for their children to be taken care of.. >:( >:( >:( >:(

cods wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 9:50am:

bobs nothing was cheap...in any day.....the difference then was there was no childcare places....posh ones with all the equipment all of which has to be paid for.. my daughter just after she left school worked in childcare.. she was also expected to weed the gardens... ::) ::).. for something like $3 a day.. to be honest I cant remember but it was a pittance..even then...... the staff now are equal I believe to most other trades....I mean if someone who cuts your hair earns more than someone who cares for your child.. something is wrong.,.. I know women who pay $300 every time they go to the hairdresser.....and think nothing of it...they also pay hundreds for skin care and nails....look at the cost of a personal trainer.... ::) ::) ::) ::) think nothin gof it.. but whinge like crazy about paying for their children to be taken care of.. >:( >:( >:( >:(

Come on Cods - get real -

who the hell can afford $1000 a week to look after one little snot nosed brat?

Bobby. wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 5:19pm:

cods wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 9:50am: bobs nothing was cheap...in any day.....the difference then was there was no childcare places....posh ones with all the equipment all of which has to be paid for.. my daughter just after she left school worked in childcare.. she was also expected to weed the gardens... ::) ::).. for something like $3 a day.. to be honest I cant remember but it was a pittance..even then...... the staff now are equal I believe to most other trades....I mean if someone who cuts your hair earns more than someone who cares for your child.. something is wrong.,.. I know women who pay $300 every time they go to the hairdresser.....and think nothing of it...they also pay hundreds for skin care and nails....look at the cost of a personal trainer.... ::) ::) ::) ::) think nothin gof it.. but whinge like crazy about paying for their children to be taken care of.. >:( >:( >:( >:( Come on Cods - get real - who the hell can afford $1000 a week to look after one little snot nosed brat?

well you had better ask crook.. he is the one that starts PANIC threads.. so i am sure he has the answer..

havent you noticed bobs its always the end of the world when it comes to childcare....

this generation want it free....why not.. dont they deserve it having a child.. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

cant afford them dont have em..

cods wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 5:25pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 5:19pm: cods wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 9:50am: bobs nothing was cheap...in any day.....the difference then was there was no childcare places....posh ones with all the equipment all of which has to be paid for.. my daughter just after she left school worked in childcare.. she was also expected to weed the gardens... ::) ::).. for something like $3 a day.. to be honest I cant remember but it was a pittance..even then...... the staff now are equal I believe to most other trades....I mean if someone who cuts your hair earns more than someone who cares for your child.. something is wrong.,.. I know women who pay $300 every time they go to the hairdresser.....and think nothing of it...they also pay hundreds for skin care and nails....look at the cost of a personal trainer.... ::) ::) ::) ::) think nothin gof it.. but whinge like crazy about paying for their children to be taken care of.. >:( >:( >:( >:( Come on Cods - get real - who the hell can afford $1000 a week to look after one little snot nosed brat? well you had better ask crook.. he is the one that starts PANIC threads.. so i am sure he has the answer.. havent you noticed bobs its always the end of the world when it comes to childcare.... this generation want it free....why not.. dont they deserve it having a child.. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) cant afford them dont have em..

I already gave you the answer -
get a solo mother to look after the kids for a fraction of the cost.

Solo mothers are desperate for  money & you'd help them out.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 5:19pm:

cods wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 9:50am: bobs nothing was cheap...in any day.....the difference then was there was no childcare places....posh ones with all the equipment all of which has to be paid for.. my daughter just after she left school worked in childcare.. she was also expected to weed the gardens... ::) ::).. for something like $3 a day.. to be honest I cant remember but it was a pittance..even then...... the staff now are equal I believe to most other trades....I mean if someone who cuts your hair earns more than someone who cares for your child.. something is wrong.,.. I know women who pay $300 every time they go to the hairdresser.....and think nothing of it...they also pay hundreds for skin care and nails....look at the cost of a personal trainer.... ::) ::) ::) ::) think nothin gof it.. but whinge like crazy about paying for their children to be taken care of.. >:( >:( >:( >:( Come on Cods - get real - who the hell can afford $1000 a week to look after one little snot nosed brat?

How about one of the parents stay home and look after the kid?

Bobby. wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 8:59am:

$200 - What a rip-off. People should find a solo mother to leave their kids with & pay with cash under the table. Maybe $40 a day.

the only person who'd do it for $40/day are the people you dont want.  now if they had 5 kids they looked after for $70/day that would be different.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:03pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 8:59am: $200 - What a rip-off. People should find a solo mother to leave their kids with & pay with cash under the table. Maybe $40 a day. the only person who'd do it for $40/day are the people you don't want.  now if they had 5 kids they looked after for $70/day that would be different.

How judgmental Longy -

There are many responsible solo mothers who got
walked out on while holding a crying baby in their hands.

A christian like you should show some compassion.

You should be banned from your church.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:25pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 6:03pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 8:59am: $200 - What a rip-off. People should find a solo mother to leave their kids with & pay with cash under the table. Maybe $40 a day. the only person who'd do it for $40/day are the people you don't want.  now if they had 5 kids they looked after for $70/day that would be different. How judgmental Longy - There are many responsible solo mothers who got walked out on while holding a crying baby in their hands. A christian like you should show some compassion. You should be banned from your church.

you should be banned period. you and gay-nail could get married and live in his caravan somewhere drooling over a tesla.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:39pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 6:25pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 6:03pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 8:59am: $200 - What a rip-off. People should find a solo mother to leave their kids with & pay with cash under the table. Maybe $40 a day. the only person who'd do it for $40/day are the people you don't want.  now if they had 5 kids they looked after for $70/day that would be different. How judgmental Longy - There are many responsible solo mothers who got walked out on while holding a crying baby in their hands. A christian like you should show some compassion. You should be banned from your church. you should be banned period. you and gay-nail could get married and live in his caravan somewhere drooling over a tesla.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:39pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 6:25pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 6:03pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 8:59am: $200 - What a rip-off. People should find a solo mother to leave their kids with & pay with cash under the table. Maybe $40 a day. the only person who'd do it for $40/day are the people you don't want.  now if they had 5 kids they looked after for $70/day that would be different. How judgmental Longy - There are many responsible solo mothers who got walked out on while holding a crying baby in their hands. A christian like you should show some compassion. You should be banned from your church. you should be banned period. you and gay-nail could get married and live in his caravan somewhere drooling over a tesla.

You're a homosexual Longy -

it seems to be all you think about.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:55pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 6:39pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 6:25pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 6:03pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 8:59am: $200 - What a rip-off. People should find a solo mother to leave their kids with & pay with cash under the table. Maybe $40 a day. the only person who'd do it for $40/day are the people you don't want.  now if they had 5 kids they looked after for $70/day that would be different. How judgmental Longy - There are many responsible solo mothers who got walked out on while holding a crying baby in their hands. A christian like you should show some compassion. You should be banned from your church. you should be banned period. you and gay-nail could get married and live in his caravan somewhere drooling over a tesla. You're a homosexual Longy - it seems to be all you think about.

Longy should not be banned because of his homosexuality.

Perhaps you two should meet.

:-/

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:39pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 6:25pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 6:03pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 8:59am: $200 - What a rip-off. People should find a solo mother to leave their kids with & pay with cash under the table. Maybe $40 a day. the only person who'd do it for $40/day are the people you don't want.  now if they had 5 kids they looked after for $70/day that would be different. How judgmental Longy - There are many responsible solo mothers who got walked out on while holding a crying baby in their hands. A christian like you should show some compassion. You should be banned from your church. you should be banned period. you and gay-nail could get married and live in his caravan somewhere drooling over a tesla.

well it don't look like you'll be owning a tesla any time soon flogging dvd's on ebay :D LOL

not exactly the prestigious business you led everyone to believe you were running but it may be a good suppliment to the dole :D LOL

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:56pm:

Longy should not be banned because of his homosexuality. Perhaps you two should meet. :-/

Greggy,
why don't you hook up with Longy?  -

he's just like you - he loves bum.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 7:18pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 6:56pm: Longy should not be banned because of his homosexuality. Perhaps you two should meet. :-/ Greggy, why don't you hook up with Longy?  - he's just like you - he loves bum.

No prize for second, Booby.

Do you like Longy's arse?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 7:21pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 7:18pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 6:56pm: Longy should not be banned because of his homosexuality. Perhaps you two should meet. :-/ Greggy, why don't you hook up with Longy?  - he's just like you - he loves bum. No prize for second, Booby. Do you like Longy's arse?

I'm not interested in Longy's stinking backside but I know you are.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 7:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 7:21pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 7:18pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 6:56pm: Longy should not be banned because of his homosexuality. Perhaps you two should meet. :-/ Greggy, why don't you hook up with Longy?  - he's just like you - he loves bum. No prize for second, Booby. Do you like Longy's arse? I'm not interested in Longy's stinking backside but I know you are.

I'm interested in finding out how you know it stinks.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 7:24pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 7:23pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 7:21pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 7:18pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 6:56pm: Longy should not be banned because of his homosexuality. Perhaps you two should meet. :-/ Greggy, why don't you hook up with Longy?  - he's just like you - he loves bum. No prize for second, Booby. Do you like Longy's arse? I'm not interested in Longy's stinking backside but I know you are. I'm interested in finding out how you know it stinks.

All arses stink - you should know that - being a poofter.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 7:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 7:24pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 7:23pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 7:21pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 7:18pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 6:56pm: Longy should not be banned because of his homosexuality. Perhaps you two should meet. :-/ Greggy, why don't you hook up with Longy?  - he's just like you - he loves bum. No prize for second, Booby. Do you like Longy's arse? I'm not interested in Longy's stinking backside but I know you are. I'm interested in finding out how you know it stinks. All arses stink -

No, they don't.

Are you familiar with toilet paper and showers, Booby?

Another thread ruined by a homosexual troll.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 7:53am:

at $50K/yr for childcare, why would a mum work? she'd need to make $70K just to cover it and what if she had three? the govt causes the problem by mandating so many rules, so many staff and making it near impossible to run cheaply.

Why must it be the mother who stays at home in your narrow mind?

Bobby. wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:55pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 6:39pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 6:25pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 6:03pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 8:59am: $200 - What a rip-off. People should find a solo mother to leave their kids with & pay with cash under the table. Maybe $40 a day. the only person who'd do it for $40/day are the people you don't want.  now if they had 5 kids they looked after for $70/day that would be different. How judgmental Longy - There are many responsible solo mothers who got walked out on while holding a crying baby in their hands. A christian like you should show some compassion. You should be banned from your church. you should be banned period. you and gay-nail could get married and live in his caravan somewhere drooling over a tesla. You're a homosexual Longy - it seems to be all you think about.

that would be you, gay-booby

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 6:10am:

Another thread ruined by a homosexual troll.

dont be so hard on yourself booby.

I have a chinese neighbour who runs 2 of these centres.
A very entrepreneurial man.

he has them overbooked and when the inspectors come out he shuffles kids between the 2 centres in his land rover discovery.

here on planet earth , which i call "reality" there is this thing called 'the system".

If you are paying 80 % of your take home pay in child storage , as heartless felon so appropriately called it, you are a grade 1 numptie.

Find yourself some contacts in the community and pay someone you trust under the table if you have too.

Big government is parasitic .
Big government schemes are parasitic.

be like my smart asian neighbour .
Milk the system by all means but dont let it milk you

aquascoot wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 7:30am:

I have a chinese neighbour who runs 2 of these centres. A very entrepreneurial man. he has them overbooked and when the inspectors come out he shuffles kids between the 2 centres in his land rover discovery. here on planet earth , which i call "reality" there is this thing called 'the system". If you are paying 80 % of your take home pay in child storage , as heartless felon so appropriately called it, you are a grade 1 numptie. Find yourself some contacts in the community and pay someone you trust under the table if you have too. Big government is parasitic . Big government schemes are parasitic. be like my smart asian neighbour . Milk the system by all means but dont let it milk you

for that he could end up in jail. 

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 7:43am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 7:30am: I have a chinese neighbour who runs 2 of these centres. A very entrepreneurial man. he has them overbooked and when the inspectors come out he shuffles kids between the 2 centres in his land rover discovery. here on planet earth , which i call "reality" there is this thing called 'the system". If you are paying 80 % of your take home pay in child storage , as heartless felon so appropriately called it, you are a grade 1 numptie. Find yourself some contacts in the community and pay someone you trust under the table if you have too. Big government is parasitic . Big government schemes are parasitic. be like my smart asian neighbour . Milk the system by all means but dont let it milk you for that he could end up in jail.

Chinese are results orientated people.
they go after what they want to achieve.
he wanted his son to get a degree so he hired an honors graduate to help him do his assignments (ie, the honours graduate did the work whilst the son cruised the town is his hotted up subaru).
He got his degree.

The chinese understand that the saying "were from the government and we're here to help" is a fairy storey for dumb chodes.

They value family and hard work and community.
i wouldnt dob him in, i'd give the guy a freaking medal .


And i say again, any aussie who is happy to pay 80 % of his take him pay for child care is so stupid he should be sterilised.

Work on getting some family and community ties.
if you have dozens of cousins and friends, start your own co op and pay cousin Carol $50 each per day and she can look after the kids til they reach prep.

What sort of garbage is this that kids need "educators" at this age.
they should be climbing trees and playing in the mud in cousin carols back yard

aquascoot wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 7:59am:

Chinese are results orientated people. they go after what they want to achieve. he wanted his son to get a degree so he hired an honors graduate to help him do his assignments (ie, the honours graduate did the work whilst the son cruised the town is his hotted up subaru). He got his degree.

I think he's my doctor.........

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 6:13am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 7:53am: at $50K/yr for childcare, why would a mum work? she'd need to make $70K just to cover it and what if she had three? the govt causes the problem by mandating so many rules, so many staff and making it near impossible to run cheaply. Why must it be the mother who stays at home in your narrow mind?

... because she expects and receives the kudos as 'primary caregiver' and all that goes with it.....

Can't have it all or or even both ways.... sorry 'bout that.... most women who thought they could 'have it all' and 'both ways' are doing it on their own, not just 'for themselves'.....

I suppose the cost of daycare was bound to get out of control once it became lucrative...... just another cause of the rising cost of living, and the demand on incomes due to the fact that in order to compete with this 'dual income family' a single has to get double what they should, meaning that then each member of the MADIF gets double what they should leaving the single behind again, and the whole cycle starts over again endlessly.

Add in job hoarding by MADIF members to make ends meet in the desperate scramble to make ends meet and prosper - something's got to give somewhere sometime...... it's happening right now.....

Worst thing that ever happened to this country - this mass introduction of women into the workforce.... created greater inequalities and inequities than it replaced....... and effectively destroyed the fabric of society, as occurred in the 'democracies' like Russia etc where women were 'equal'.

Look after your own bloody kids or don t have them. Stop expecting my tax dollars to do it for you. All childcare subsidies should be scrapped completely for everybody.

ian wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 10:15am:

Look after your own bloody kids or don t have them. Stop expecting my tax dollars to do it for you. All childcare subsidies should be scrapped completely for everybody.

well not everyone.....but honest to god I did not know of one person who put their children not only into childcare more or less from the day they were born......

but also into after school care...... in my day..

in other words some of these PARENTS.. do not have anything to do with their children from about 8am until 6pm... 5 days a week.......

thats disgraceful.....

cods wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 10:25am:

well not everyone.....but honest to god I did not know of one person who put their children not only into childcare more or less from the day they were born...... but also into after school care...... in my day.. in other words some of these PARENTS.. do not have anything to do with their children from about 8am until 6pm... 5 days a week....... thats disgraceful.....

Yes, and exactly why we have bred a generation of selfish pigs who couldnt give a bugger about anyone except themselves. The dollar cost to the community of subsidising childcare shows up across the board, crime, health, environment. The cost to our society is enormous. The best predictor of a childs healthy development is a parent at home. Always has been and always will be.

ian wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 10:30am:

cods wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 10:25am: well not everyone.....but honest to god I did not know of one person who put their children not only into childcare more or less from the day they were born...... but also into after school care...... in my day.. in other words some of these PARENTS.. do not have anything to do with their children from about 8am until 6pm... 5 days a week....... thats disgraceful..... Yes, and exactly why we have bred a generation of selfish pigs who couldnt give a bugger about anyone except themselves. The dollar cost to the community of subsidising childcare shows up across the board, crime, health, environment. The cost to our society is enormous. The best predictor of a childs healthy development is a parent at home. Always has been and always will be.

my granddaughters 5 yr old is a classic case.. he is already uncontrollable....she has been asked to remove him from the childcare....and has had to pick him up early! so many times we have lost count....when he starts school next month he will go into a special class..

fingers crossed no permanent damage is done....she put him in childcare at 3 months old.... as a single mum it was entirely FREE....

I am a pretty patient person but I admit he pushes me......very very defiant...afraid of no one...on one visit to her he climbed up the shelves of her linen cupboard and threw everything out....she said he does it all the time...and then he could be so sweet........we are now praying...

ian wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 10:15am:

Look after your own bloody kids or don t have them. Stop expecting my tax dollars to do it for you. All childcare subsidies should be scrapped completely for everybody.

dialed back som I agree. But stop making childcare some educational experience.  kids need to be kids. play, sleep, eat and nothing else. it is what prepares them for school - PLAY.  then we could halve the staff and halve the costs.  but no... the govt gets involvd and before long you will have a 1:1 ratio of staff with every one a PhD and it will 'only' cost $4000/week.