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U.N. Official Reveals Real Reason Behind Warming Scare Economic Systems: The alarmists keep telling us their concern about global warming is all about man's stewardship of the environment. But we know that's not true. A United Nations official has now confirmed this. At a news conference last week in Brussels, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of U.N.'s Framework Convention on Climate Change, admitted that the goal of environmental activists is not to save the world from ecological calamity but to destroy capitalism. "This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution," she said Read the rest here http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/021015-738779-climate-change-scare-tool-to-destroy-capitalism.htm#ixzz3hVNKOhsD

Complete bullshite.  Get with it Ajax, even shills gave up on that one some time ago.

There can be some nice gains made in manufacturing renewable equipment.

It's just the oil companies shatting themselves.  And I like that   ;D

Imagine how pissed of you would be if you made money pumping up stuff you didn't even have to make, then someone made it obsolete!

http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/files/2013/04/tantrum.jpg

random wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 4:25pm:

Complete bullshite.

Obviously you have never read what Christina Figueres said.

Here it is from the UN website.

http://www.unric.org/en/latest-un-buzz/29623-figueres-first-time-the-world-economy-is-transformed-intentionally

Of course that could be lies, promulgated by evil oil.

I must have missed the bit mention in the OP about 'destroy capitalism'. 

Did you see it?  Linky?

Did you see where an unelected body wants to transform the "economic development model"?

'"This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the industrial revolution. '

http://www.unric.org/en/latest-un-buzz/29623-figueres-first-time-the-world-economy-is-transformed-intentionally

This is the same model that we use in Australia.

Being an unelected body, what say will you get, in how you want your economy modified? You can't vote them out.

Yeah but I must have missed the bit mention in the OP about 'destroy capitalism'.

Did you see it?  Linky?

random wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:15pm:

Yeah but I must have missed the bit mention in the OP about 'destroy capitalism'. Did you see it?  Linky?

'completely alter the economic model' wasnt enough of a clue to you?

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:42pm:

random wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 5:15pm: Yeah but I must have missed the bit mention in the OP about 'destroy capitalism'. Did you see it?  Linky? 'completely alter the economic model' wasnt enough of a clue to you?

We already know he has trouble reading within the lines, let alone between.

He doesn't have an alternative economic model to compare; so it all must be good.

lee wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:49pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 5:42pm: random wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 5:15pm: Yeah but I must have missed the bit mention in the OP about 'destroy capitalism'. Did you see it?  Linky? 'completely alter the economic model' wasnt enough of a clue to you? We already know he has trouble reading within the lines, let alone between. He doesn't have an alternative economic model to compare; so it all must be good.

I am only an amateur psychologist but would love to understand the mind of a Climate Hysteric.  there is such delusion that it is extraordinary.  every single fact - EVERY FACT - has to be filtered thru the climate change belief set before it can be considered.  now of course NOAA and BOM are automating that concept by literally filtering climate data so the 'new facts' fit the belief set.

Im pretty sure that if sydney harbour iced up it would be blamed on global warming.  After all we have already seen ISIS blamed on global warming.

I'm still waiting for something to cite where the UN said they were out to destroy capitalism as claimed by the OP?

Till then I say bullshite to the OP.  Simple really.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:58pm:

now of course NOAA and BOM are automating that concept by literally filtering climate data so the 'new facts' fit the belief set.

I am afraid there you are wrong. BoM has merely stated they use "World's Best Practice"; it is not automated. It follows that NOAA is also not automated, if they also use "World's Best Practice".

'The Forum noted that the extent to which the development of the ACORN-SAT dataset from the raw data could be automated was likely to be limited, and that the process might better be described as a supervised process in which the roles of metadata and other information required some level of expertise and operator intervention. '

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/change/acorn-sat/documents/2015_TAF_report.pdf

And obviously you can't automate someone's thought processes.

random wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 6:16pm:

Simple really.

Ah, explains you completely.

lee wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 6:24pm:

random wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 6:16pm: Simple really. Ah, explains you completely.

Still waiting for something to back up claims.

http://breakouttheskinnygir.fatcow.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/thin.gif

Middle class progressives feel quietly guilty about the contradiction their lifestyle poses. Marx wrote,  'the personal is political'.  It follows that a socialist activist shouldn't be an affluent, comfortable, university educated consumer living in a peaceful country with low unemployment. What to do? What to do? Ban guns? Check. Abolish capital punishment?  Check. Land rights? Check. Equal rights for women?  Check. Flood the country with migrants? Check. How about we just make s.h.i.t up? We need never be lacking a cause to throw the guilt surrounding our own hypocrisy again.  That's what we'll do. Just make s.h.i.t up.

random wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 6:49pm:

lee wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 6:24pm: random wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 6:16pm: Simple really. Ah, explains you completely. Still waiting for something to back up claims. http://breakouttheskinnygir.fatcow.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/thin.gif

Once again - what claims did I make?

I'm waiting for Ajax or someone else to show where the UN said it is attacking Capitalism.  As claimed in the OP.

random wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 6:58pm:

I'm waiting for Ajax or someone else to show where the UN said it is attacking Capitalism.  As claimed in the OP.

Nice backdown, without admitting fault.

Nice attempt at a win, fail.

I so where did the UN say they were attacking Capitalism?  From Ajax or any sycophants of his will do.

random wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 7:29pm:

Nice attempt at a win, fail. I so where did the UN say they were attacking Capitalism?  From Ajax or any sycophants of his will do.

You expect explicit statements from a political body? You've never heard of plausible deniability? Wow.

random wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 4:25pm:

Complete bullshite.  Get with it Ajax, even shills gave up on that one some time ago. There can be some nice gains made in manufacturing renewable equipment. It's just the oil companies shatting themselves.  And I like that   ;D Imagine how pissed of you would be if you made money pumping up stuff you didn't even have to make, then someone made it obsolete! http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/files/2013/04/tantrum.jpg

If you can't understand what you are reading that's not my problem.

OP quote;

"executive secretary of U.N.'s Framework Convention on Climate Change, admitted that the goal of environmental activists is not to save the world from ecological calamity but to destroy capitalism."

Had a look and can't see where that was said.  Ajax is making shite up again.

random wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 8:34am:

OP quote; "executive secretary of U.N.'s Framework Convention on Climate Change, admitted that the goal of environmental activists is not to save the world from ecological calamity but to destroy capitalism." Had a look and can't see where that was said.  Ajax is making shite up again.

If you like your current lifestyle you better get with the times cause the environmental movement wants to destroy it.

Here's a quote from the pig that created agenda 21.


Quote:

“It is clear that current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle-class … involving high meat intake, consumption of large amounts of frozen and convenience foods, ownership of motor vehicles, small electric appliances, home and work place air- conditioning, and suburban housing are not sustainable .…  A shift is necessary toward lifestyles less geared to environmental damaging consumption patterns.” Maurice Strong who spearheaded the 1991 Rio Earth Summit wrote in the U.N.’s Conference on Environmental Development (UNCED) report "Isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsiblity to bring that about?" - Maurice Strong, founder of the UN Environment Programme "If we don't change, our species will not survive... Frankly, we may get to the point where the only way of saving the world will be for industrial civilization to collapse." -Maurice Strong quoted in the September 1, 1997 edition of National Review magazine

Maurice saviour of the world
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OP quote;

"executive secretary of U.N.'s Framework Convention on Climate Change, admitted that the goal of environmental activists is not to save the world from ecological calamity but to destroy capitalism."

Still can't see any reference by the UN to destroy capitalisim.  OP is bullshite.

random wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 9:50am:

OP quote; "executive secretary of U.N.'s Framework Convention on Climate Change, admitted that the goal of environmental activists is not to save the world from ecological calamity but to destroy capitalism." Still can't see any reference by the UN to destroy capitalisim.  OP is bullshite.

Here it is under your nose, if you can't understand it like I said its not my problem.


Quote:

"This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution," she said. Referring to a new international treaty environmentalists hope will be adopted at the Paris climate change conference later this year, she added: "This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model for the first time in human history." The only economic model in the last 150 years that has ever worked at all is capitalism. The evidence is prima facie: From a feudal order that lasted a thousand years, produced zero growth and kept workdays long and lifespans short, the countries that have embraced free-market capitalism have enjoyed a system in which output has increased 70-fold, work days have been halved and lifespans doubled. Read More http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/021015-738779-climate-change-scare-tool-to-destroy-capitalism.htm#ixzz3hVNKOhsD

Nice projection.  Projecting your fears onto a broad statement.  It could be hyper-capitalism?  Could be anything.

Where does it say it is out to destroy Capitalism?

BTW I wish they had said that, but what do you think has been, and is powering the UN? 

Moving away from carbon power is not incompatible with capitalism.  All that is required is to move to a Triple Bottom Line model and everything will at least be better than what is happening now.

random wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 10:06am:

Nice projection.  Projecting your fears onto a broad statement.  It could be hyper-capitalism?  Could be anything. Where does it say it is out to destroy Capitalism?

What is our current economic model...?


random wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 10:06am:

BTW I wish they had said that, but what do you think has been, and is powering the UN?

The World Bank. 


random wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 10:06am:

Moving away from carbon power is not incompatible with capitalism.  All that is required is to move to a Triple Bottom Line model and everything will at least be better than what is happening now.

Never said it was..??

Problem is through the environment movement these people control nations.

These pigs are the very ones that want a one world government otherwise their dreams for the environment can never be realised.

Hey random I want pollution cleaned up just as much as you do, but we can do it ourselves we don't need PIGS like Maurice Strong from half way around the world telling us how to do it.

But the bullshit continues in your OP.

this is a classic,

"a system in which output has increased 70-fold, work days have been halved and lifespans doubled."

My version of history says that socialism was responsible for the reduction of working ours, while the capitalist machine resisted to the end, it still is.  Today in Australia we have the removal of penalty rates for Sundays and the erosion of wages generally.  Working hours have been increasing beyond what people are paid for.

Lately, in connection with the penalty rate issue has been a media campaign to warm up the sheep for the introduction of 'tipping' as a norm in Australia.  This would create a tolerance for a further reduction of hospitality and catering wages with tipping making up the difference.

If you like capitalism so much move to America, it's home.  Seen the average wage there lately?  Free market capitalism has no soul, no conscience, humans are resources to be used. 

random wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 10:22am:

But the bullshit continues in your OP. this is a classic, "a system in which output has increased 70-fold, work days have been halved and lifespans doubled." My version of history says that socialism was responsible for the reduction of working ours, while the capitalist machine resisted to the end, it still is.  Today in Australia we have the removal of penalty rates for Sundays and the erosion of wages generally.  Working hours have been increasing beyond what people are paid for. Lately, in connection with the penalty rate issue has been a media campaign to warm up the sheep for the introduction of 'tipping' as a norm in Australia.  This would create a tolerance for a further reduction of hospitality and catering wages with tipping making up the difference. If you like capitalism so much move to America, it's home.  Seen the average wage there lately?  Free market capitalism has no soul, no conscience, humans are resources to be used.

You don't know what to say do you......????

Hey don't tell me about all these things I'm a working class man who's paying of his house and putting a couple of kids through the education system.

About penalty rates for the hospitality and catering industry I'm right behind the workers, by reducing the rates it will not create more jobs that is bullshit.

About tipping its always been apart of our culture, in addition to the wages.

I agree that tipping should not replace some aspect of your wages.

When I was going through the education system I worked in the hospitality industry.

Malcolm Turnball has no mandate to do anything until after the next election when he is voted in by the people rather than the party.

On the current economic model of capitalism that the western world has adopted since 1980, (Reagan, Thatcher and Hawke Keating) based on Milton Freidman's idea that you hand all power over to corporations and all else will sort itself is creating the greatest divide between rich and poor in our history.

Its nothing more than the rich hoarding all the wealth of the world at the expense of the middle class and poor.

There are better economic models of capitalism eg.
Keynesian Model.

How Milton Friedman's Capitalism came about..!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxxOIfrtYYY

random wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 10:22am:

My version of history says that socialism was responsible for the reduction of working ours, while the capitalist machine resisted to the end, it still is.

Which definition of "socialism: do you employ?

'n socialism Any theory or system of social organization which would abolish, entirely or in great part, the individual effort and competition on which modern society rests, and substitute for it coöperative action, would introduce a more perfect and equal distribution of the products of labor, and would make land and capital, as the instruments and means of production, the joint possession of the members of the community. The name is used to include a great variety of social theories and reforms which have more or less of this character.

n socialism that Christianity should be directly applied to the ordinary business of life, and that in view of this the present system of competition should give place to coöperative associations both productive and distributive, where all might work together as brothers;

n socialism that any outer change of the laborer's life, as aimed at in most socialistic schemes, would not suffice to settle the labor question, but that there must be an inner change brought about by education and elevation of character, especially through Christianity; and.

n socialism that the aid of the state should not be invoked further than to remove all hostile legislation. A similar scheme appeared somewhat earlier in France. The doctrines of Christian socialism, or similar doctrines under the same name, have been frequently advocated in the United States.

n socialism Specifically, in Germany, legislation, supported by Prince Bismarck, intended to improve the condition of the working-man. Among the measures included were the insurance of workmen against accident, sickness, and old age, and the establishment of cooperative associations under state protection. '

http://www.finedictionary.com/socialism.html

Or do you use one of your specific creation?

Is Ajax related to Alan Jones and Monkton?

The AGW Conspiracy theory!

Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 11:36am:

Is Ajax related to Alan Jones and Monkton? The AGW Conspiracy theory!

Are you sure that those who believe that sceptics are being paid to refute AGW; are not themselves Conspiracy Theorists?

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:58pm:

I am only an amateur

Longweekend58 is an amateur human, a fake Christian, and a professional charlatan.

Sun Tzu has crawled back out from under the rock he so ignominiously disappeared to recently.
Shame to have him back!

Don't libel me again creep as you did in your thread recently moved to Relationships. I make a bad bad enemy.

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 2:13pm:

Sun Tzu has crawled back out from under the rock he so ignominiously disappeared to recently. Shame to have him back! Don't libel me again creep as you did in your thread recently moved to Relationships. I make a bad bad enemy.

Phew! Thank god for that!

You're bad at everything that's good: Bad enemy, bad friend, bad debater, bad human, and bad closet pom.

You're good at everything that's bad:
Intellectual, spiritual and moral constipation; Racism; misogyny; Islamophobia; bigotry; closet pomism; nonsensical blather; hate propagation.

Off with you misanthrope!

Your opinion of me is one thing, which matters not one jot, but do not libel me OK.

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 2:26pm:

Your opinion of me is one thing, which matters not one jot, but do not libel me OK.

You are just an anonymous figment on a BBS. How can you be libelled?

lee wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 6:23pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 5:58pm: now of course NOAA and BOM are automating that concept by literally filtering climate data so the 'new facts' fit the belief set. I am afraid there you are wrong. BoM has merely stated they use "World's Best Practice"; it is not automated. It follows that NOAA is also not automated, if they also use "World's Best Practice". 'The Forum noted that the extent to which the development of the ACORN-SAT dataset from the raw data could be automated was likely to be limited, and that the process might better be described as a supervised process in which the roles of metadata and other information required some level of expertise and operator intervention. ' http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/change/acorn-sat/documents/2015_TAF_report.pdf And obviously you can't automate someone's thought processes.

you misconstrued what I said. However, that fact that it is a manual process and subject to personal assessment is an extraordinary admission since it basically means they are GUESSING.  i thought the point of data was that it was not subjective.   in any other field of study you would be ridiculed, derided and possibly sacked (or worse).  but climate science is a law unto itself.

random wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 10:22am:

But the bullshit continues in your OP. this is a classic, "a system in which output has increased 70-fold, work days have been halved and lifespans doubled." My version of history says that socialism was responsible for the reduction of working ours, while the capitalist machine resisted to the end, it still is.  Today in Australia we have the removal of penalty rates for Sundays and the erosion of wages generally.  Working hours have been increasing beyond what people are paid for. Lately, in connection with the penalty rate issue has been a media campaign to warm up the sheep for the introduction of 'tipping' as a norm in Australia.  This would create a tolerance for a further reduction of hospitality and catering wages with tipping making up the difference. If you like capitalism so much move to America, it's home.  Seen the average wage there lately?  Free market capitalism has no soul, no conscience, humans are resources to be used.

your version of history is something you made up or read in Socialist WEekly.  you are just another latte-sipping socialist who I am tipping does not work.

I cant really see that the world is ready for a UN at this stage.
the UN will work when people reach a state of very high consciousness living.
If you go to a under 7's soccer match, you will see parents exhibiting competitiveness, tribalism and vicarious ego association.

If people are divided on something as trivial and unimportant, how can they be brought together on something as big as "planet earth"

One just needs to realise that this is the reality .

the people who advocate most strongly for the UN are those who are also mindlessly in  a position of low consciousness living where they seek to inflate their ego with fake moral superiority.

If the UN has an aim of world peace and cohesion, i see the leftie activists as "so far removed" from this aim, that they are not part of the solution, they are just another part of the problem.

get back to me in 500 years

With higher levels of consciousness there would not be any Nations to Unite.