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Title: Government Admits Chemicals Are Killing Bees
Post by The Mechanic on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 6:13pm

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Federal Government Admits Neonicotinoids Are Killing Bees

Nancy Addison
Dallas, TX

11 Jan 2016 — The federal government released a report this week that finally admitted neonicotinoids are the cause of catastrophic bee deaths.

Peter Jenkins (attorney for the Center for Food Safety) said the EPA exempted pesticides used in seed coatings from standard regulations. “Unlike pesticides used as sprays or granular applications, those used as seed coatings carry no restrictions or mandatory safety measures when farmers and others handle them.

It’s a critical oversight because the vast majority of neonicotinoids are used in that format,” Jenkins said.
The report of imidacloprid is so critical the EPA “could potentially take action” to “restrict or limit the use” of the chemical by the end of this year, an agency email disclosed.

Use of clothianidin and other neonicotinoids is most worrisome, said Jim Frazier, professor of entomology at Penn State University, because the chemicals treat millions of acres of corn and other genetically modified plants throughout the U.S. Data show that the chemicals builds up over time in the soil, plants and trees, he said.

About 1/3 of our food supply comes from bee and insect-pollinated plants. Bees are responsible for 80 % of food pollination.

Brett Adee, a beekeeper lost more than 6,000 hives last spring when corn was planted, said a state investigation found his bees were poisoned by neonicotinoid poisons that were used on the seeds being planted on adjoining properties by his neighbors.

For more information go to: http://www.organichealthylifestyle.com/the-plight-of-pollinators-today/ or

http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpress.nsf/bd4379a92ceceeac8525735900400c27/63e7fb0e47b1aa3685257f320050a7e3!OpenDocument

Title: Re: Government Admits Chemicals Are Killing Bees
Post by The Mechanic on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 6:15pm

as I was saying last year..

These chemicals are killing our bees by the Millions..

but the forum Dunces would try to tell you it's

"climate change"

dur... :D

but here's the thing.. we are eating this crap..

every day we are eating more and more chemicals..

and we wonder why more and more people are getting cancer????

Title: Re: Government Admits Chemicals Are Killing Bees
Post by Sun Tzu on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 6:24pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 6:15pm:

You should seek treatment for your internal cranial bone cancer. There is evidently no brain for the cancer to attack so it attacked the most plentiful feature, bone!

Title: Re: Government Admits Chemicals Are Killing Bees
Post by Honky on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 6:24pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 6:15pm:

and we wonder why more and more people are getting cancer????

Cancer is just the tip of the iceberg.

Title: Re: Government Admits Chemicals Are Killing Bees
Post by Kytro on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 6:25pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 6:15pm:

First of all neonicotinoids have been suspected for a while and have been considered the most likely suspect on colony collapse disorder.

Climate change was never a real contender for that, though it is having an impact on the range of some bees, which is a different issue.

Secondly while neonicotinoids are chemicals, so is water. If a chemical substance is "bad" or not depends not if it is natural or not, but how it is used and the quantity.

Title: Re: Government Admits Chemicals Are Killing Bees
Post by innocentbystander. on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 6:30pm

Bees, who needs em, all they are good for is stinging you when you walk across the lawn barefoot, I for one will be glad to see the back of them.

Title: Re: Government Admits Chemicals Are Killing Bees
Post by Bojack Horseman on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 9:20pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 6:15pm:

and we wonder why more and more people are getting cancer????

Not really.

1. Better detection.
2. Since cancer is primarily a disease of aging the fact we are living longer and have less deaths due to other diseases inevitable means cancer rates are increasing.

Title: Re: Government Admits Chemicals Are Killing Bees
Post by Kytro on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 7:49am

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 6:30pm:

Bees, who needs em, all they are good for is stinging you when you walk across the lawn barefoot, I for one will be glad to see the back of them.

I hope you are not serious. 1/3 of the food we eat is pollination dependent and the majority of that work is done by bees.

Title: Re: Government Admits Chemicals Are Killing Bees
Post by cods on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 8:00am

what is Neonicotinoids.. ok its a chemical.. in which case why doesnt it come under the epa.... why doesnt it?.. we seem to have double standards on so many things.....I am sorry to hear this its a shocker..

you know we have an enormous amount of trees and blossom in Canberra but you hardly ever see a bee....

I have often wondered about that?..... in England we had the beautiful bumble bees..we dont have them here do we??...

Title: Re: Government Admits Chemicals Are Killing Bees
Post by Redneck on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 8:04am

cods wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 8:00am:

I would have to disagree with you there cods re Canberra

I have a Lemon tree that had a mass of flowers in spring I think it was, covered in bees including the tiny native ones, same for my Photinia hedge

Title: Re: Government Admits Chemicals Are Killing Bees
Post by The Mechanic on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 11:40am

cods wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 8:00am:

the American EPA are as crooked as a dogs hind leg..

they have allowed these Massive Chemical companies to put this onto the market without proper trials back in the earlier 2000s

companies like Bayer have been lying about this Colony disorder collapse (or whatever the name they made up for it)

its been THEIR chemicals all along like I've been saying forever..

if you follow the trail of some of these chemical executives you will find them within the US government and serving today under Obama...

these massive chemical companies are putting farmers into a corner so that in every turn they have to buy their GM seeds covered in chemicals for crops and also other chemicals to make them grow...

and you wonder why there's so much cancer around these days and getting worse???

blood testing trials have revealed, in Canada I think it was, that most people have at least 30 to 40 different chemicals in their blood.. with one man having 60 different types!!!

Title: Re: Government Admits Chemicals Are Killing Bees
Post by lee on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 11:45am

'What’s happening in Australia?

Neonicotinoids have been used in Australia for more than 20 years and Australia continues to have one of the healthiest bee populations in the world. The Australian Pesticides and Veterinary Medicines Authority (APVMA) has reviewed research and information gathered from around world over the past few decades and in early 2014 concluded that:

“It’s clear that it’s not possible to attribute bee population declines in some parts of the world to the introduction of the neonicotinoid insecticides.”

The report concludes that overall, the introduction of neonicotinoids has probably reduced risks to the environment from the application of insecticides. The research suggests that, in Australia, the use of insecticides is not highly significant in changing bee populations, unless used incorrectly. Yates therefore actively promotes the safe use of these products, particularly when bees are present.'
http://www.yates.com.au/healthy-gardens-need-healthy-bees/research-on-threat-to-bee-population/#hFM4CpTFPZ45JYom.99

Title: Re: Government Admits Chemicals Are Killing Bees
Post by The Mechanic on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 11:48am

lee wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 11:45am:

More propaganda from a Chemical Company..

Title: Re: Government Admits Chemicals Are Killing Bees
Post by The Mechanic on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 11:48am

Quote:

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Title: Re: Government Admits Chemicals Are Killing Bees
Post by The Mechanic on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 11:54am

so people keep saying..

I don't see as many bees as I used to..

Quote:

It is understood that over the last 15 years, there have been many reasons why Australian beehive numbers have deteriorated to less than 50% of what they were 20 years ago.

Title: Re: Government Admits Chemicals Are Killing Bees
Post by Sprintcyclist on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 12:57pm

Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 8:04am:

cods wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 8:00am:

Those big fat velvet bumblebees are rare in Queensland.
I have seen a few in the past few years, we have lots of bee/bird attracting plants.

Maybe they are not so suited to the climate here?

Title: Re: Government Admits Chemicals Are Killing Bees
Post by lee on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 3:53pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 11:48am:

More propaganda from a Chemical Company..

And yet you didn't query the conclusion of The Australian Pesticides and Veterinary Medicines Authority (APVMA) .

Or are they shills for the chemical companies?

Title: Re: Government Admits Chemicals Are Killing Bees
Post by The Mechanic on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:14am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 12:57pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 8:04am:

cods wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 8:00am:

Those big fat velvet bumblebees are rare in Queensland.
I have seen a few in the past few years, we have lots of bee/bird attracting plants.

Maybe they are not so suited to the climate here?

the only place BumbleBees are in Australia is in Tasmania..

they believe that they were illegally brought into the country..

Bumblebees compete with local pollinators and also honey bees and because they are bigger they can muscle in on the goodies...

it also leaves less food for native birds...

if you want to see more bees in your garden... plant more BEE FRIENDLY plants..

they love lavender and hebe bushes.. especially French Lavender,.. sun flowers, roses, poppies, lemon trees, bluebells and many spring flowers

https://www.diggers.com.au/

Title: Re: Government Admits Chemicals Are Killing Bees
Post by cods on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:22am

Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 8:04am:

cods wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 8:00am:

you must have my share then.. shame on you...

Title: Re: Government Admits Chemicals Are Killing Bees
Post by cods on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:29am

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:14am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 12:57pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 8:04am:

cods wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 8:00am:

Those big fat velvet bumblebees are rare in Queensland.
I have seen a few in the past few years, we have lots of bee/bird attracting plants.

Maybe they are not so suited to the climate here?

I love the bumblebees gorgeous beasties.....however I am not growing lavender.. it goes mad and takes over I hate it...and now you know my secret I am a lousy gardener...I have a Lilac shrub but its not flowered this year...and a Crepe myrtle....is that any good... and lots of roses...and bulbs.......I do have butterflies... some really pretty ones...

Title: Re: Government Admits Chemicals Are Killing Bees
Post by Redneck on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 7:20am

cods wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:22am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 8:04am:

cods wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 8:00am:

you must have my share then.. shame on you...

Now dont get a bee in your bonnet cods

I am not disputing bee numbers are down but they are still around in some numbers at my place, I do know a bloke down the hill has a couple of hives so that might explain it.

Title: Re: Government Admits Chemicals Are Killing Bees
Post by The Mechanic on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 6:12am

cods wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:29am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:14am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 12:57pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 8:04am:

cods wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 8:00am:

Those big fat velvet bumblebees are rare in Queensland.
I have seen a few in the past few years, we have lots of bee/bird attracting plants.

Maybe they are not so suited to the climate here?

your French Lender only grows into a small bush as does Lavender Grosso

......................................

these guys have been fighting on the bees behalf for a number of years now

Hey Andrew,
You're part of a SumOfUs community that has done so much for the bees -- and the security of our food supply. Because of the pressure from SumOfUs members, one of the biggest home and garden supply stores has taken "neonic" pesticides off its shelves. Because of people-power, we were able to shake up Bayer's annual general meeting in Cologne, Germany two years running. We're supporting a vital legal battle to keep bee-killing pesticides banned in the Europe, while trying to spread the ban on the same chemicals in other parts of the world. SumOfUs members are helping to lead the fight to save the bees all over the planet.
Your support is crucial now. Our decision-makers need to see the vital research done by Jonathan Lundgren and his peers so they can finally ban these pesticides for good. We simply can't afford to let big corporations shut down researchers.

Title: Re: Government Admits Chemicals Are Killing Bees
Post by Gnads on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 12:07pm

Not just BAYER

Monsanto & Du Pont as well.

Plus there is the very real threat of the natural bee killer

the parasite Veroa Destructor which is as close as Papua New Guinea.

And I would agree ... there seem to be less bees than there used to be ...

taking into consideration that all commercial honey bees are not "native" to Australia anyway.