https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/30644458/tax-changes-to-go-to-election-treasurer/

"The government's proposed changes to the tax system will be put to the Australian people ahead of this year's federal election, treasurer Scott Morrison says.

Mr Morrison is hoping the election will give the government a "strong mandate" in the Senate to implement economic reform.

"We have a very strong view about how we think we need to grow the Australian economy and that will be laid out in chapter and verse over the months and months that are ahead of this election," he told Sky News on Sunday."


(Grapper Editorial)..

Must be a quiet weekend day in Cambella - the startling announcement that the 'changes to the tax system' (you mean they're already decided on, but we'll be fed them one at a time so we won't get too startled and won't get to see the full picture and will be easy meat?), about which we are yet to hear one word of substance... will be taken by this government to an election.

So again we are on the horns of a dilemna as a voting public - we either take the feminist's party with their mandated 50/50 nonsense (bet that won't apply to nursing and public service and teaching and all the other 'soft' jobs'.. but everywhere else?  YOU BET!) .... affirmative action by any other name.... or we accept this bunch of bank robbers who will pillage and plunder the general public in the name of Trickle-Down and Economic Rationalism all the while trumpeting about it being the 'politics of envy' when people object to their fattening up their mates at our expense.... the never-ending 'privatisation' (the rape of public utilities and services) and tax cuts while the peasants pay more ... which we all know will never work...

Will no-one spare us from this Evil Government Of Two Parties?

BOTR!!

A Tale Of Two Governments... it was the worst of times... it was the worst of times.......

.......any tax reform will be gagged by the Ochlocrats

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 9:42am:

the startling announcement that the 'changes to the tax system' (you mean they're already decided on, but we'll be fed them one at a time so we won't get too startled and won't get to see the full picture and will be easy meat?)

Or they haven't been decided on, but will be and then announced before the election.

lee wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 11:21am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 9:42am: the startling announcement that the 'changes to the tax system' (you mean they're already decided on, but we'll be fed them one at a time so we won't get too startled and won't get to see the full picture and will be easy meat?) Or they haven't been decided on, but will be and then announced before the election.

Still peddling that line is he!  ::) ::) ::)

...tax is just the majority ripping off the minority.

 

Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 11:25am:

Still peddling that line is he!

Who? I was merely pointing out that there is more than one conclusion that can be reached.

If you try hard you might even think of one by yourself.

lee wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 11:33am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 11:25am: Still peddling that line is he! Who? I was merely pointing out that yjere is more than one conclusion that can be reached. If you try hard you might even think of one by yourself.

Not you fool Morriscum!

Tax change is most often not reform.

Once again we see a Liberal coming out and making a statement which tells us nothing at all.

Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 11:25am:

Still peddling that line is he!

Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 11:33am:

Not you fool Morriscum!

Can you give a reference for the first statement then?

lee wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 11:21am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 9:42am: the startling announcement that the 'changes to the tax system' (you mean they're already decided on, but we'll be fed them one at a time so we won't get too startled and won't get to see the full picture and will be easy meat?) Or they haven't been decided on, but will be and then announced before the election.

If they are not decided then why announce them ?

Swagman wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 11:27am:

...tax is just the majority ripping off the minority.

or the government ripping off everyone ?

lee wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 11:21am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 9:42am: the startling announcement that the 'changes to the tax system' (you mean they're already decided on, but we'll be fed them one at a time so we won't get too startled and won't get to see the full picture and will be easy meat?) Or they haven't been decided on, but will be and then announced before the election.

You think they haven't decided to increase the GST to 15% ?

Dnarever wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 11:36am:

If they are not decided then why announce them ?

'The government's proposed changes to the tax system will be put to the Australian '

They haven't announced anything, there are proposals. Some may become changes, some may drop by the wayside.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 11:44am:

You think they haven't decided to increase the GST to 15% ?

That is one proposal. Only time will tell if that goes further.

What happended to no new taxs , the Libs werent lying again were they

Mr Morrison must think the voting public are as stupid as Abbott and Hockey took them for....


Quote:

Mr Morrison also said government spending above 25 per cent of GDP was unsustainable, insisting efforts to bring the budget into the black were working. He said plans outlined in the budget to cut expenditure as a percentage of GDP from 25.9 per cent to 25.3 were on track, with a further 10 billion dollars in savings earmarked in the Mid-Year Economic and Fiscal Outlook in December.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/30644458/tax-changes-to-go-to-election-treasurer/

Nothing has changed!!!

::) ::) ::)

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 11:48am:

Mr Morrison must think the voting public are as stupid as Abbott and Hockey took them for.... Quote: Mr Morrison also said government spending above 25 per cent of GDP was unsustainable, insisting efforts to bring the budget into the black were working. He said plans outlined in the budget to cut expenditure as a percentage of GDP from 25.9 per cent to 25.3 were on track, with a further 10 billion dollars in savings earmarked in the Mid-Year Economic and Fiscal Outlook in December. https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/30644458/tax-changes-to-go-to-election-treasurer/ Nothing has changed!!! ::) ::) ::)

They counted the PPL as a 10 billion saving to the bottom line , something they never even got the chance to implement is a saving  :D :D :D

Its time wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 11:47am:

What happended to no new taxs , the Libs werent lying again were they

Was that Tony Abbott? He;s Gone.

Was that a promise from 2013? That's gone.

You want to live in Australia with increasing Social Security costs, Increasing Hospital costs and expect taxes not to go up?

What exactly did TA say?

'On August 16, 2011 Mr Abbott said: "A very clear message is going out from the Australian people to this government: there can be no tax collection without an election.'

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-01/fact-file-what-tony-abbott-promised-on-tax/5420226

Seems they are going to an election?

lee wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 11:53am:

Its time wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 11:47am: What happended to no new taxs , the Libs werent lying again were they Was that Tony Abbott? He;s Gone. Was that a promise from 2013? That's gone. You want to live in Australia with increasing Social Security costs, Increasing Hospital costs and expect taxes not to go up?

Your crew of retards killed 2 revenue streams because wait for it they were a burden to families and business , so lets get our stories straight , is the tax rise going to cost more than 550 annually and why dont the Libs have one single major resource project underway under there tenure?

Swagman wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 11:27am:

...tax is just the majority ripping off the minority.

I think, you may find that the REALITY is actually the other way around!

Richest 62 people as wealthy as half of world's population, says Oxfam

only higher wages, crackdown on tax dodging and higher investment in public services can stop divide widening.

The vast and growing gap between rich and poor has been laid bare in a new Oxfam report showing that the 62 richest billionaires own as much wealth as the poorer half of the world’s population.

Timed to coincide with this week’s gathering of many of the super-rich at the annual World Economic Forum in Davos, the report calls for urgent action to deal with a trend showing that 1% of people own more wealth than the other 99% combined.

Oxfam said that the wealth of the poorest 50% dropped by 41% between 2010 and 2015, despite an increase in the global population of 400m. In the same period, the wealth of the richest 62 people increased by $500bn (£350bn) to $1.76tn.

The charity said that, in 2010, the 388 richest people owned the same wealth as the poorest 50%. This dropped to 80 in 2014 before falling again in 2015.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jan/18/richest-62-billionaires-wealthy-half-world-population-combined
============================================
Credit Suisse confirm similar trends!
http://fortune.com/2015/10/14/1-percent-global-wealth-credit-suisse/

The thing is WE are MORE INTERLOCKED, than any other time in history, But with current trends EVERYONE WILL LOSE & THERE WILL BE NO WINNERS!

We desperately need Balance, which means both Revenue & Expenditure are in need of movement!

But, to start with Big Business, Global Business & Religions MUST PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE, WHICH THEY CURRENTLY DON'T!

Its time wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 11:59am:

lee wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 11:53am: Its time wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 11:47am: What happended to no new taxs , the Libs werent lying again were they Was that Tony Abbott? He;s Gone. Was that a promise from 2013? That's gone. You want to live in Australia with increasing Social Security costs, Increasing Hospital costs and expect taxes not to go up? Your crew of retards killed 2 revenue streams because wait for it they were a burden to families and business , so lets get our stories straight , is the tax rise going to cost more than 550 annually and why dont the Libs have one single major resource project underway under there tenure?

Nice attempt at deflection. ;)

lee wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 12:04pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 11:59am: lee wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 11:53am: Its time wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 11:47am: What happended to no new taxs , the Libs werent lying again were they Was that Tony Abbott? He;s Gone. Was that a promise from 2013? That's gone. You want to live in Australia with increasing Social Security costs, Increasing Hospital costs and expect taxes not to go up? Your crew of retards killed 2 revenue streams because wait for it they were a burden to families and business , so lets get our stories straight , is the tax rise going to cost more than 550 annually and why dont the Libs have one single major resource project underway under there tenure? Nice attempt at deflection. ;)

How is it a deflection , one only need to go back in these pages to see the mouth frothing from the right wing loonies on here about a CT and the savings for families , now less than 2 years later you're entertaining a rise in taxs  ;) cuckoo cuckoo  :D

Edit a rise in taxs thats going to cost wayyyy more than 550 bucks

lee wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 12:04pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 11:59am: lee wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 11:53am: Its time wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 11:47am: What happended to no new taxs , the Libs werent lying again were they Was that Tony Abbott? He;s Gone. Was that a promise from 2013? That's gone. You want to live in Australia with increasing Social Security costs, Increasing Hospital costs and expect taxes not to go up? Your crew of retards killed 2 revenue streams because wait for it they were a burden to families and business , so lets get our stories straight , is the tax rise going to cost more than 550 annually and why dont the Libs have one single major resource project underway under there tenure? Nice attempt at deflection. ;)

I would think it relevant if you want to be crying about the need to increase taxes then it should not be in the same period where you threw away tax income.

lee wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 11:53am:

Its time wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 11:47am: What happended to no new taxs , the Libs werent lying again were they Was that Tony Abbott? He;s Gone. Was that a promise from 2013? That's gone. You want to live in Australia with increasing Social Security costs, Increasing Hospital costs and expect taxes not to go up? What exactly did TA say? 'On August 16, 2011 Mr Abbott said: "A very clear message is going out from the Australian people to this government: there can be no tax collection without an election.' http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-01/fact-file-what-tony-abbott-promised-on-tax/5420226 Seems they are going to an election?

Abbott also said there would be no increase to the GST.

John Howard introduced a 10% GST that he promised would never be able to be increased.

GST debate: Scott Morrison backs need for option to raise tax as part of reforms

Quote:

Scott Morrison has opened the political new year softening Australians up for an increase in the GST, arguing that reform needs to be on the table if voters want personal income tax relief and a cut to corporate tax to boost economic growth.

I'll just quote the first paragraph here, it sums it up pretty well.

Hockey and Morrison allowed bracket creep to increase the burden of taxation on individuals. Now Morrison is saying that to remove bracket creep, we have to increase the GST.

The agenda is pretty clear: they have been wanting to force an increase in the GST from the very beginning. Even before 2013 election campaign, Abbott let slip the possibility of an increase to the GST. Starving the states of funds was intended to force the states to ask for the increase, and they have not ever ruled out the possibility.

This government wants to transfer more of the burden of taxation from businesses onto individuals.

Bam wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 12:30pm:

GST debate: Scott Morrison backs need for option to raise tax as part of reforms Quote: Scott Morrison has opened the political new year softening Australians up for an increase in the GST, arguing that reform needs to be on the table if voters want personal income tax relief and a cut to corporate tax to boost economic growth. I'll just quote the first paragraph here, it sums it up pretty well. Hockey and Morrison allowed bracket creep to increase the burden of taxation on individuals. Now Morrison is saying that to remove bracket creep, we have to increase the GST. The agenda is pretty clear: they have been wanting to force an increase in the GST from the very beginning. Even before 2013 election campaign, Abbott let slip the possibility of an increase to the GST. Starving the states of funds was intended to force the states to ask for the increase, and they have not ever ruled out the possibility. This government wants to transfer more of the burden of taxation from businesses onto individuals.

Straight out of the bag of the Libs dirty tricks once again

For mine, I won't believe one word any of these pack of ars8888oles say.They lied their way into power and will most certainly lie to stay in power. Lee, I really don't understand how you can try to cover up by saying 'that was Abbott'. It was the coalition parties and Morriscum the grub was a senior minister in that coalition. They lied then , they are lying now.

macman wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 1:02pm:

Lee, I really don't understand how you can try to cover up by saying 'that was Abbott'. It was the coalition parties and Morriscum the grub was a senior minister in that coalition. They lied then , they are lying now.

I also pointed out that they said politicians should take tax increases to an election. Do you disagree with that?

It was the worst of times.... it was the worst of times.... A Tale Of Two Parties......

What chance and choice does the voting public have in the next election?  Morrison will tell us that the economy is 'on track to recovery'and is looking good - if Labor get in they will discover massive 'black holes of Budget', will need to get a few mates in at full found AND $1500 A DAY (INDEXED) to drink coffee and shuffle papers around to come up with the Party line already decided... they'll give us 50/50 and the girls will screech for full PPL for two years out of the public pocket  and 50% women in every area of life apart from those already massively over-occupied by women.. if the LNP get in we'll have our pensions cut, our guts cut out by taxes, our family homes taxed as part of pension, and privatisation and off-shoring of everything until there's nothing left and the only people left standing are them and their mates, who'll all be sucking deeply of our life's blood every day.

We need a new Party NOW!

BOTR!

lee wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 2:14pm:

macman wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 1:02pm: Lee, I really don't understand how you can try to cover up by saying 'that was Abbott'. It was the coalition parties and Morriscum the grub was a senior minister in that coalition. They lied then , they are lying now. I also pointed out that they said politicians should take tax increases to an election. Do you disagree with that?

Abbott ruled out increasing the GST.

lee wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 11:44am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 11:36am: If they are not decided then why announce them ? 'The government's proposed changes to the tax system will be put to the Australian ' They haven't announced anything, there are proposals. Some may become changes, some may drop by the wayside.

Yes Morrison has come out and made another non announcement ? Why do you think they bother to publish him saying nothing ? Making non announcements and such ?

lee wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 11:21am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 9:42am: the startling announcement that the 'changes to the tax system' (you mean they're already decided on, but we'll be fed them one at a time so we won't get too startled and won't get to see the full picture and will be easy meat?) Or they haven't been decided on, but will be and then announced before the election.

nah ... they already have their policy sorted  ... this is just their way of testing the waters without actually announcing it. If it looks like the public will react badly, they'll say it was considered and discarded, if these 'non announcements' appear to have no repercussions, they'll see that as a green light to formerly proceed with the policy when they are ready.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 3:27pm:

Abbott ruled out increasing the GST.

Did Abbott increase the GST? I must have missed that.

There are two things to know about politics -

Politicians lie

and

The first rule for politicians-

Sincerity is what gets you elected; once you can fake that you've got it made.

perceptions_now wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 12:04pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 11:27am: ...tax is just the majority ripping off the minority.   I think, you may find that the REALITY is actually the other way around! Richest 62 people as wealthy as half of world's population, says Oxfam only higher wages, crackdown on tax dodging and higher investment in public services can stop divide widening. The vast and growing gap between rich and poor has been laid bare in a new Oxfam report showing that the 62 richest billionaires own as much wealth as the poorer half of the world’s population. Timed to coincide with this week’s gathering of many of the super-rich at the annual World Economic Forum in Davos, the report calls for urgent action to deal with a trend showing that 1% of people own more wealth than the other 99% combined. Oxfam said that the wealth of the poorest 50% dropped by 41% between 2010 and 2015, despite an increase in the global population of 400m. In the same period, the wealth of the richest 62 people increased by $500bn (£350bn) to $1.76tn. The charity said that, in 2010, the 388 richest people owned the same wealth as the poorest 50%. This dropped to 80 in 2014 before falling again in 2015. http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jan/18/richest-62-billionaires-wealthy-half-world-population-combined ============================================ Credit Suisse confirm similar trends! http://fortune.com/2015/10/14/1-percent-global-wealth-credit-suisse/ The thing is WE are MORE INTERLOCKED, than any other time in history, But with current trends EVERYONE WILL LOSE & THERE WILL BE NO WINNERS! We desperately need Balance, which means both Revenue & Expenditure are in need of movement! But, to start with Big Business, Global Business & Religions MUST PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE, WHICH THEY CURRENTLY DON'T!

Excellent post.

'I also pointed out that they said politicians should take tax increases to an election. Do you disagree with that?'

And I said they lie.


'There are two things to know about politics -

Politicians lie

and

The first rule for politicians-

Sincerity is what gets you elected; once you can fake that you've got it made'.


And you agreed with me.

macman wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 5:45pm:

And you agreed with me.

Chalk it up to dementia ;D ;D.

Although you didn't say anything about sincerity, but claimed a win.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 11:35am:

Tax change is most often not reform. Once again we see a Liberal coming out and making a statement which tells us nothing at all.

For example: a Keating GST is good and a Howard GST is not. A liberal tax cut is bad but a labor one is good.

IN summary: DNA is a hypocrite.

Bam wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 12:30pm:

GST debate: Scott Morrison backs need for option to raise tax as part of reforms Quote: Scott Morrison has opened the political new year softening Australians up for an increase in the GST, arguing that reform needs to be on the table if voters want personal income tax relief and a cut to corporate tax to boost economic growth. I'll just quote the first paragraph here, it sums it up pretty well. Hockey and Morrison allowed bracket creep to increase the burden of taxation on individuals. Now Morrison is saying that to remove bracket creep, we have to increase the GST. The agenda is pretty clear: they have been wanting to force an increase in the GST from the very beginning. Even before 2013 election campaign, Abbott let slip the possibility of an increase to the GST. Starving the states of funds was intended to force the states to ask for the increase, and they have not ever ruled out the possibility. This government wants to transfer more of the burden of taxation from businesses onto individuals.

But Rudd and Gillard did not allow bracket creep?  Or keating and Hawke?  THe hypocrisy you show is astounding since you criticise the Howard tax cuts which largely dealt with... BRACKET CREEP.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 3:27pm:

lee wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 2:14pm: macman wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 1:02pm: Lee, I really don't understand how you can try to cover up by saying 'that was Abbott'. It was the coalition parties and Morriscum the grub was a senior minister in that coalition. They lied then , they are lying now. I also pointed out that they said politicians should take tax increases to an election. Do you disagree with that? Abbott ruled out increasing the GST.

Without an election. Which he and Turnbull did.

Gillard ruled out a Carbon Tax too.  Your hypocrisy is shameless.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 6:12pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 3:27pm: lee wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 2:14pm: macman wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 1:02pm: Lee, I really don't understand how you can try to cover up by saying 'that was Abbott'. It was the coalition parties and Morriscum the grub was a senior minister in that coalition. They lied then , they are lying now. I also pointed out that they said politicians should take tax increases to an election. Do you disagree with that? Abbott ruled out increasing the GST. Without an election. Which he and Turnbull did. Gillard ruled out a Carbon Tax too.  Your hypocrisy is shameless.

She got caught up in semantics , she always said she was putting a price on carbon , it cost the consumer more so it was a tax , just like a medicare  co-payment is a tax and just like a debt levy is a tax and there is no disputing what any hike to the GST is , its a tax much larger than any CT.

The mining tax was designed to make a profit from the volume of ore extracted....Once it was removed mining companies increased production and drove down the commodity price....Abbott killed two birds with one stone!!!

::) ::) ::)

lee wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 3:51pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 3:27pm: Abbott ruled out increasing the GST. Did Abbott increase the GST? I must have missed that. There are two things to know about politics - Politicians lie and The first rule for politicians- Sincerity is what gets you elected; once you can fake that you've got it made.

Did Abbott increase the GST? I must have missed that.



From the day the Liberals took office they have been solidly working towards a GST increase.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 6:12pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 3:27pm: lee wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 2:14pm: macman wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 1:02pm: Lee, I really don't understand how you can try to cover up by saying 'that was Abbott'. It was the coalition parties and Morriscum the grub was a senior minister in that coalition. They lied then , they are lying now. I also pointed out that they said politicians should take tax increases to an election. Do you disagree with that? Abbott ruled out increasing the GST. Without an election. Which he and Turnbull did. Gillard ruled out a Carbon Tax too.  Your hypocrisy is shameless.

Without an election.

No you have already been shown that this is wrong.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 6:12pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 3:27pm: lee wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 2:14pm: macman wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 1:02pm: Lee, I really don't understand how you can try to cover up by saying 'that was Abbott'. It was the coalition parties and Morriscum the grub was a senior minister in that coalition. They lied then , they are lying now. I also pointed out that they said politicians should take tax increases to an election. Do you disagree with that? Abbott ruled out increasing the GST. Without an election. Which he and Turnbull did. Gillard ruled out a Carbon Tax too.  Your hypocrisy is shameless.

Gillard ruled out a Carbon Tax too

Longy spent 4 years crying about this broken promise, if you want to try some tears in this form start the topic and enjoy.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 6:46pm:

From the day the Liberals took office they have been solidly working towards a GST increase.

So they haven't increased the GST. Thanks for the confirmation

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 6:38pm:

The mining tax was designed to make a profit from the volume of ore extracted....Once it was removed mining companies increased production and drove down the commodity price....Abbott killed two birds with one stone!!!

Is the MRRP Mk1 or Mk 11?

Mk 1 - if the price fell the government would reimburse the mining companies. What would that be costing us now?

Swagman wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 11:27am:

...tax is just the majority ripping off the minority.

Oh give it a break already. The rich rip of the poor.

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 6:38pm:

The mining tax was designed to make a profit from the volume of ore extracted....Once it was removed mining companies increased production and drove down the commodity price....Abbott killed two birds with one stone!!! ::) ::) ::)

Good grief... now you want to blame the global commodity price plunge on Abbott?

Why don't you blame the US snowstorm on Abbott or solar flares?

Dnarever wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 6:48pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 6:12pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 3:27pm: lee wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 2:14pm: macman wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 1:02pm: Lee, I really don't understand how you can try to cover up by saying 'that was Abbott'. It was the coalition parties and Morriscum the grub was a senior minister in that coalition. They lied then , they are lying now. I also pointed out that they said politicians should take tax increases to an election. Do you disagree with that? Abbott ruled out increasing the GST. Without an election. Which he and Turnbull did. Gillard ruled out a Carbon Tax too.  Your hypocrisy is shameless. Without an election. No you have already been shown that this is wrong.

Really? How was I wrong? the Libs HAVENT increased the GST (so correct on that) and Gillard did promise no Carbon Tax and then brought one in (correct again).

Are you having truth problems again?

mariacostel wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 7:57am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 6:48pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 6:12pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 3:27pm: lee wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 2:14pm: macman wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 1:02pm: Lee, I really don't understand how you can try to cover up by saying 'that was Abbott'. It was the coalition parties and Morriscum the grub was a senior minister in that coalition. They lied then , they are lying now. I also pointed out that they said politicians should take tax increases to an election. Do you disagree with that? Abbott ruled out increasing the GST. Without an election. Which he and Turnbull did. Gillard ruled out a Carbon Tax too.  Your hypocrisy is shameless. Without an election. No you have already been shown that this is wrong. Really? How was I wrong? the Libs HAVENT increased the GST (so correct on that) and Gillard did promise no Carbon Tax and then brought one in (correct again). Are you having truth problems again?

Funny how my problem with truth relates so closely to your problem with comprehension.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1FVt5h5hnI

mariacostel wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 7:57am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 6:48pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 6:12pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 3:27pm: lee wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 2:14pm: macman wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 1:02pm: Lee, I really don't understand how you can try to cover up by saying 'that was Abbott'. It was the coalition parties and Morriscum the grub was a senior minister in that coalition. They lied then , they are lying now. I also pointed out that they said politicians should take tax increases to an election. Do you disagree with that? Abbott ruled out increasing the GST. Without an election. Which he and Turnbull did. Gillard ruled out a Carbon Tax too.  Your hypocrisy is shameless. Without an election. No you have already been shown that this is wrong. Really? How was I wrong? the Libs HAVENT increased the GST (so correct on that) and Gillard did promise no Carbon Tax and then brought one in (correct again). Are you having truth problems again?

The bit that is wrong is that Abbott never made any commitment relation to holding an election - he gave an open guarantee that there would be no GST increase. He committed that the Liberals would not be increasing the GST at all.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 6:11pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 12:30pm: GST debate: Scott Morrison backs need for option to raise tax as part of reforms Quote: Scott Morrison has opened the political new year softening Australians up for an increase in the GST, arguing that reform needs to be on the table if voters want personal income tax relief and a cut to corporate tax to boost economic growth. I'll just quote the first paragraph here, it sums it up pretty well. Hockey and Morrison allowed bracket creep to increase the burden of taxation on individuals. Now Morrison is saying that to remove bracket creep, we have to increase the GST. The agenda is pretty clear: they have been wanting to force an increase in the GST from the very beginning. Even before 2013 election campaign, Abbott let slip the possibility of an increase to the GST. Starving the states of funds was intended to force the states to ask for the increase, and they have not ever ruled out the possibility. This government wants to transfer more of the burden of taxation from businesses onto individuals. But Rudd and Gillard did not allow bracket creep?  Or keating and Hawke?  THe hypocrisy you show is astounding since you criticise the Howard tax cuts which largely dealt with... BRACKET CREEP.

This is called a straw man argument. You can't refute the actual point so you pretend that someone made a different point and try to refute that.

Morrison is using bracket creep to foist a GST increase onto an unwilling public. Did any of the other governments you mentioned try this tactic? No. Not one, not even Howard.

And as usual, your boring and inaccurate pro-Liberal bias fails to include Howard in the list of PMs that allowed bracket creep, and only acknowledged Howard's efforts to remove bracket creep with tax cuts.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 9:59am:

Funny how my problem with truth relates so closely to your problem with comprehension. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1FVt5h5hnI

"The GST doesn't change under the Coalition."

BROKEN PROMISE.

It has already changed - the GST now applies to all online purchases, it didn't before.

TAX CHANGES.. TAX CHANGES (read all about it)


You wouldn't read about it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QzH4KOf9Bs

The rich are getting richer -  the poor get the picture.

The ONLY changes that need to be made:

1/ Reinstate the carbon levy.

2/ Reinstate the MRRT.

3/ FORCE corporations and multi-nationals to pay their share.

That's ALL that's necessary - forget all the LNP bullsh1t, that's it.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 12:24pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 7:57am: Dnarever wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 6:48pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 6:12pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 3:27pm: lee wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 2:14pm: macman wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 1:02pm: Lee, I really don't understand how you can try to cover up by saying 'that was Abbott'. It was the coalition parties and Morriscum the grub was a senior minister in that coalition. They lied then , they are lying now. I also pointed out that they said politicians should take tax increases to an election. Do you disagree with that? Abbott ruled out increasing the GST. Without an election. Which he and Turnbull did. Gillard ruled out a Carbon Tax too.  Your hypocrisy is shameless. Without an election. No you have already been shown that this is wrong. Really? How was I wrong? the Libs HAVENT increased the GST (so correct on that) and Gillard did promise no Carbon Tax and then brought one in (correct again). Are you having truth problems again? The bit that is wrong is that Abbott never made any commitment relation to holding an election - he gave an open guarantee that there would be no GST increase. He committed that the Liberals would not be increasing the GST at all.

He did no such thing, you ignoramus.  He said there would be no GST increase in his first term and that any such increase would be taken to an a election, which is exactly what the government has done.

You can be gobsmackingly obtuse.

Bam wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 12:32pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 6:11pm: Bam wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 12:30pm: GST debate: Scott Morrison backs need for option to raise tax as part of reforms Quote: Scott Morrison has opened the political new year softening Australians up for an increase in the GST, arguing that reform needs to be on the table if voters want personal income tax relief and a cut to corporate tax to boost economic growth. I'll just quote the first paragraph here, it sums it up pretty well. Hockey and Morrison allowed bracket creep to increase the burden of taxation on individuals. Now Morrison is saying that to remove bracket creep, we have to increase the GST. The agenda is pretty clear: they have been wanting to force an increase in the GST from the very beginning. Even before 2013 election campaign, Abbott let slip the possibility of an increase to the GST. Starving the states of funds was intended to force the states to ask for the increase, and they have not ever ruled out the possibility. This government wants to transfer more of the burden of taxation from businesses onto individuals. But Rudd and Gillard did not allow bracket creep?  Or keating and Hawke?  THe hypocrisy you show is astounding since you criticise the Howard tax cuts which largely dealt with... BRACKET CREEP. This is called a straw man argument. You can't refute the actual point so you pretend that someone made a different point and try to refute that. Morrison is using bracket creep to foist a GST increase onto an unwilling public. Did any of the other governments you mentioned try this tactic? No. Not one, not even Howard. And as usual, your boring and inaccurate pro-Liberal bias fails to include Howard in the list of PMs that allowed bracket creep, and only acknowledged Howard's efforts to remove bracket creep with tax cuts.

More deflection from the company-hating, labor-loving Bambi.  You cannot - simple cannot - complain about bracket creep over a mere 2 years while ignoring all the bracket creep of of Labor years. Nor can you continue to complain ludicrously about Howard-era tax cuts that RETURNED BRACKET CREEP. It is a gobsmackingly hypocritical position. Of course, that is your standard position on everything - hypocrisy.

Kat wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 12:53pm:

The ONLY changes that need to be made: 1/ Reinstate the carbon levy. 2/ Reinstate the MRRT. 3/ FORCE corporations and multi-nationals to pay their share. That's ALL that's necessary - forget all the LNP bullsh1t, that's it.

You are such a clown. With the original MRRT, the government would now be REIMBURSING the mining companies for low commodity prices. With the second MRRT the government  would be receiving $0.

Great idea. Only a bike assembler could come up with it.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 4:12pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 12:24pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 7:57am: Dnarever wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 6:48pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 6:12pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 3:27pm: lee wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 2:14pm: macman wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 1:02pm: Lee, I really don't understand how you can try to cover up by saying 'that was Abbott'. It was the coalition parties and Morriscum the grub was a senior minister in that coalition. They lied then , they are lying now. I also pointed out that they said politicians should take tax increases to an election. Do you disagree with that? Abbott ruled out increasing the GST. Without an election. Which he and Turnbull did. Gillard ruled out a Carbon Tax too.  Your hypocrisy is shameless. Without an election. No you have already been shown that this is wrong. Really? How was I wrong? the Libs HAVENT increased the GST (so correct on that) and Gillard did promise no Carbon Tax and then brought one in (correct again). Are you having truth problems again? The bit that is wrong is that Abbott never made any commitment relation to holding an election - he gave an open guarantee that there would be no GST increase. He committed that the Liberals would not be increasing the GST at all. He did no such thing, you ignoramus.  He said there would be no GST increase in his first term and that any such increase would be taken to an a election, which is exactly what the government has done. You can be gobsmackingly obtuse.

What you are saying is the retrospective position that conservatives wish was true.

Fact is that he did promise no GST increase with no strings attached.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 4:15pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 12:32pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 6:11pm: Bam wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 12:30pm: GST debate: Scott Morrison backs need for option to raise tax as part of reforms Quote: Scott Morrison has opened the political new year softening Australians up for an increase in the GST, arguing that reform needs to be on the table if voters want personal income tax relief and a cut to corporate tax to boost economic growth. I'll just quote the first paragraph here, it sums it up pretty well. Hockey and Morrison allowed bracket creep to increase the burden of taxation on individuals. Now Morrison is saying that to remove bracket creep, we have to increase the GST. The agenda is pretty clear: they have been wanting to force an increase in the GST from the very beginning. Even before 2013 election campaign, Abbott let slip the possibility of an increase to the GST. Starving the states of funds was intended to force the states to ask for the increase, and they have not ever ruled out the possibility. This government wants to transfer more of the burden of taxation from businesses onto individuals. But Rudd and Gillard did not allow bracket creep?  Or keating and Hawke?  THe hypocrisy you show is astounding since you criticise the Howard tax cuts which largely dealt with... BRACKET CREEP. This is called a straw man argument. You can't refute the actual point so you pretend that someone made a different point and try to refute that. Morrison is using bracket creep to foist a GST increase onto an unwilling public. Did any of the other governments you mentioned try this tactic? No. Not one, not even Howard. And as usual, your boring and inaccurate pro-Liberal bias fails to include Howard in the list of PMs that allowed bracket creep, and only acknowledged Howard's efforts to remove bracket creep with tax cuts. More deflection from the company-hating, labor-loving Bambi.  You cannot - simple cannot - complain about bracket creep over a mere 2 years while ignoring all the bracket creep of of Labor years. Nor can you continue to complain ludicrously about Howard-era tax cuts that RETURNED BRACKET CREEP. It is a gobsmackingly hypocritical position. Of course, that is your standard position on everything - hypocrisy.

As far as I can see Morrison is the only person talking about Bracket creep and he isn't referring to himself.

To put it into perspective he wants to justify increasing the GST in order to temporarily fix bracket creep, now there is a great idea the biggest permanent tax increase in Australias's history in order to provide a temp adjustment to bracket creep.

But hold on the GST goes to the states and can not be used to do anything about any creeps.

Here is a government with debt and spending problems, bracket creep adds money to their income and helps towards the deficit, This is not a problem for government at all.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 4:47pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 4:12pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 12:24pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 7:57am: Dnarever wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 6:48pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 6:12pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 3:27pm: lee wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 2:14pm: macman wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 1:02pm: Lee, I really don't understand how you can try to cover up by saying 'that was Abbott'. It was the coalition parties and Morriscum the grub was a senior minister in that coalition. They lied then , they are lying now. I also pointed out that they said politicians should take tax increases to an election. Do you disagree with that? Abbott ruled out increasing the GST. Without an election. Which he and Turnbull did. Gillard ruled out a Carbon Tax too.  Your hypocrisy is shameless. Without an election. No you have already been shown that this is wrong. Really? How was I wrong? the Libs HAVENT increased the GST (so correct on that) and Gillard did promise no Carbon Tax and then brought one in (correct again). Are you having truth problems again? The bit that is wrong is that Abbott never made any commitment relation to holding an election - he gave an open guarantee that there would be no GST increase. He committed that the Liberals would not be increasing the GST at all. He did no such thing, you ignoramus.  He said there would be no GST increase in his first term and that any such increase would be taken to an a election, which is exactly what the government has done. You can be gobsmackingly obtuse. What you are saying is the retrospective position that conservatives wish was true. Fact is that he did promise no GST increase with no strings attached.

In his first term. That is a pretty big string. Why do you insist on being quite so openly and unashamedly a liar?

mariacostel wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 7:52pm:

In his first term. That is a pretty big string. Why do you insist on being quite so openly and unashamedly a liar?

Yet you are the one who never backs up his statements  and I have shown that what I have said is true.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 4:17pm:

Kat wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 12:53pm: The ONLY changes that need to be made: 1/ Reinstate the carbon levy. 2/ Reinstate the MRRT. 3/ FORCE corporations and multi-nationals to pay their share. That's ALL that's necessary - forget all the LNP bullsh1t, that's it. You are such a clown. With the original MRRT, the government would now be REIMBURSING the mining companies for low commodity prices. With the second MRRT the government  would be receiving $0. Great idea. Only a bike assembler could come up with it.

Far cough, troll.

When I want the dogs to bark, I'll rattle a plate.

Kat wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 10:00pm:

When I want the dogs to bark, I'll rattle a plate.

While chasing your tail?