The Catholics & now the Anglicans:


As far as butt slamming goes the Christians top the list.
The Muslims prefer beheading people.

The Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse


Convicted pedophiles expected to give evidence to inquiry
By ADAM LANGENBERG

Jan. 27, 2016, 1:41 p.m.


Quote:

A PEDOPHILE priest was promoted to Archdeacon of Burnie by a former Anglican Bishop who had been told of allegations he had behaved inappropriately with young boys, a royal commission has heard. The Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse is holding hearings in Hobart from Wednesday to Friday, February 5. In her opening address, Counsel Assisting Naomi Sharp said then Bishop of Tasmania Phillip Newell was made aware of allegations from three boys about inappropriate behaviour from Louis Daniels in 1987, then the chairman of the Church of England Boys Society. Daniels and former Tasmanian Priest Garth Hawkins, both convicted pedophiles, are the main focus of the inquiry relating to Tasmania. The inquiry will inquire into the response of the Anglican Dioceses of Tasmania, Adelaide, Brisbane and Sydney and the Anglican Church affiliated CEBS to allegations of child sexual abuse perpetrated by people involved with CEBS.

http://www.examiner.com.au/story/3690253/convicted-pedophiles-expected-to-give-evidence-to-inquiry/?cs=95

How many Muslim religious people are before the commission?

None - in my knowledge.

The first prize for child sexual abuse goes to the Christians.

I think the muslims would be too sh1t scared to complain.


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Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 8:43am:

How many Muslim religious people are before the commission? None - in my knowledge. The first prize for child sexual abuse goes to the Christians.

Oh bravo..clap clap clap for that piece of logic. Did you take a break from your Mensa meeting to bash out that piece of crap? Wowza.

Do you think in a society like Saudi Arabia people have the option to actually complain? It's a bit like a few hundred years ago in Christian countries where the complainant ends up being shamed.

Did it occur to you that places like churches are basically aggregators for paedophiles?

In KSA people are reluctant to take action when young girls are molested as their perverse culture will shame the abused and her family.

Now read this, and listen carefully....that's the sound of your farcical argument swirling around and going down the drain.

Some Muslims are fond of condemning western morality – alcoholism, nudity, premarital sex and homosexuality often being cited as examples. But Muslims do not have a monopoly on morality. In the west, child marriages and sex with children are illegal. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for many Muslim countries.

I recently saw the documentary on the Dancing Boys of Afghanistan. It exposed an ancient custom called "bacha bazi" (boy for play), where rich men buy boys as young as 11 from impoverished families for sexual slavery. The boys are dressed in women's clothes and made to dance and sing at parties, before being carted away by the men for sex. Owning boys is considered a symbol of status and one former warlord boasted of having up to 3,000 boys over a 20-year period, even though he was married, with two sons. The involvement of the police and inaction of the government means this form of child prostitution is widespread.

The moral hypocrisy is outrageous in a country where homosexuality is not only strictly forbidden but savagely punished, even between two consenting adults. However, men who sodomise young boys are not considered homosexuals or paedophiles. The love of young boys is not a phenomenon restricted to Afghanistan; homosexual pederasty is common in neighbouring Pakistan, too. In my view, repression of sexuality and extreme gender apartheid is to blame.

And in the Middle East, it's young girls who are considered desirable and men are able to satisfy their lusts legally through child marriages. In Yemen, more than a quarter of girls are married before the age of 15. Cases of girls dying during childbirth are not unusual, and recently, one 12-year-old child bride even died from internal bleeding following sexual intercourse. In another case, a 12-year-old girl was married to an 80-year-old man in Saudi Arabia.

So why is the practice of child marriage sanctioned in Muslim countries? Unfortunately, ultra-conservative religious authorities justify this old tribal custom by citing the prophet Muhammad's marriage to Aisha. They allege Aisha was nine years old when the prophet married her. But they focus conveniently on selected Islamic texts to support their opinions, while ignoring vast number of other texts and historical information, which suggests Aisha was much older, putting her age of marriage at 19. Child marriage is against Islam as the Qur'an is clear that intellectual maturity is the basis for deciding age of marriage, and not puberty, as suggested by these clerics.

Hi Gordy,
You are either a new member or a sock puppet.

I am referring only to the royal commission.
You are trying widen the scope of this thread.

forgiven

namaste

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 10:07am:

Hi Gordy, You are either a new member or a sock puppet. I am referring only to the royal commission. You are trying widen the scope of this thread. forgiven namaste

Ok  keeping it to the scope of the RC your logic is still rubbish.

Did it occur to you that the perpetrators of child abuse before the RC are from Christian and Catholic institutions because overwhelmingly boarding schools, orphanages, children's camps etc are run by religious groups.

Furthermore the majority of the historical cases occurred
before there were significant numbers of Muslims in Australia.

Lets hope there are adequate avenues in place for reporting sexual abuse within the Islamic community institutions so this doesn't occur in another place.

It's my belief that in a given population/culture there be a  similar percentages of people with a desire to abuse children, and the numbers of cases reported basically reflect the ability to report.

Now as for me being a sock puppet, take it up with the mod if you believe so or piss off.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 10:07am:

Hi Gordy, You are either a new member or a sock puppet. I am referring only to the royal commission. You are trying widen the scope of this thread. forgiven namaste

Rule 1 of 101 - Never leave your kids with a Christian

Its time wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 10:24am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 10:07am: Hi Gordy, You are either a new member or a sock puppet. I am referring only to the royal commission. You are trying widen the scope of this thread. forgiven namaste Rule 1 of 101 - Never leave your kids with a Christian

Yes - how many parents would leave their kids in the care of any church?

GordyL wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 10:23am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 10:07am: Hi Gordy, You are either a new member or a sock puppet. I am referring only to the royal commission. You are trying widen the scope of this thread. forgiven namaste Ok  keeping it to the scope of the RC your logic is still rubbish. Did it occur to you that the perpetrators of child abuse before the RC are from Christian and Catholic institutions because overwhelmingly boarding schools, orphanages, children's camps etc are run by religious groups. Furthermore the majority of the historical cases occurred before there were significant numbers of Muslims in Australia. Lets hope there are adequate avenues in place for reporting sexual abuse within the Islamic community institutions so this doesn't occur in another place. It's my belief that in a given population/culture there be a  similar percentages of people with a desire to abuse children, and the numbers of cases reported basically reflect the ability to report. Now as for me being a sock puppet, take it up with the mod if you believe so or piss off.

Lovely fella you are.

The fact is that Muslims are not before the royal commission.

It's Christians who have been doing all the butt slamming in Australia.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 10:28am:

GordyL wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 10:23am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 10:07am: Hi Gordy, You are either a new member or a sock puppet. I am referring only to the royal commission. You are trying widen the scope of this thread. forgiven namaste Ok  keeping it to the scope of the RC your logic is still rubbish. Did it occur to you that the perpetrators of child abuse before the RC are from Christian and Catholic institutions because overwhelmingly boarding schools, orphanages, children's camps etc are run by religious groups. Furthermore the majority of the historical cases occurred before there were significant numbers of Muslims in Australia. Lets hope there are adequate avenues in place for reporting sexual abuse within the Islamic community institutions so this doesn't occur in another place. It's my belief that in a given population/culture there be a  similar percentages of people with a desire to abuse children, and the numbers of cases reported basically reflect the ability to report. Now as for me being a sock puppet, take it up with the mod if you believe so or piss off. Lovely fella you are. The fact is that Muslims are not before the royal commission. It's Christians who have been doing all the butt slamming in Australia.

what about ISIS capturing and raping 12 yo yazidi girls ? Muslims have their pedophilia under the guise of religion.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 10:28am:

GordyL wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 10:23am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 10:07am: Hi Gordy, You are either a new member or a sock puppet. I am referring only to the royal commission. You are trying widen the scope of this thread. forgiven namaste Ok  keeping it to the scope of the RC your logic is still rubbish. Did it occur to you that the perpetrators of child abuse before the RC are from Christian and Catholic institutions because overwhelmingly boarding schools, orphanages, children's camps etc are run by religious groups. Furthermore the majority of the historical cases occurred before there were significant numbers of Muslims in Australia. Lets hope there are adequate avenues in place for reporting sexual abuse within the Islamic community institutions so this doesn't occur in another place. It's my belief that in a given population/culture there be a  similar percentages of people with a desire to abuse children, and the numbers of cases reported basically reflect the ability to report. Now as for me being a sock puppet, take it up with the mod if you believe so or piss off. Lovely fella you are. The fact is that Muslims are not before the royal commission. It's Christians who have been doing all the butt slamming in Australia.

So it's widely known there is just as much child abuse in other Islamic countries. Fact.

So your hypothesis is there is something about immigrating  to Australia that causes all Muslims to magically switch off their desire to abuse children.

Can you please give some details about this magical process?

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 10:26am:

Its time wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 10:24am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 10:07am: Hi Gordy, You are either a new member or a sock puppet. I am referring only to the royal commission. You are trying widen the scope of this thread. forgiven namaste Rule 1 of 101 - Never leave your kids with a Christian Yes - how many parents would leave their kids in the care of any church?

Scary to think , my kids will never step foot anywhere near those hotbeds of sexual predators.

GordyL wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 10:34am:

So it's widely known there is just as much child abuse in other Islamic countries. Fact. So your hypothesis is there is something about immigrating  to Australia that causes all Muslims to magically switch off their desire to abuse children. Can you please give some details about this magical process?

There are no Muslims before the Royal commission.


suck it up.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 10:42am:

GordyL wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 10:34am: So it's widely known there is just as much child abuse in other Islamic countries. Fact. So your hypothesis is there is something about immigrating  to Australia that causes all Muslims to magically switch off their desire to abuse children. Can you please give some details about this magical process? There are no Muslims before the Royal commission. suck it up.

Once again, until recently there have been very few Islamic institutions with easy access to children. That is the only reason why.

There are also no aliens, pygmies, Eskimos before the RC.

This lesson in logic is free.

The Christians are almost as bad as the Anglos, Bobbie - low IQ rates, weak genetics, high levels of retardation.

They need to be banned from.entering Australia. Until they are, our kids will never be safe.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 10:42am:

GordyL wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 10:34am: So it's widely known there is just as much child abuse in other Islamic countries. Fact. So your hypothesis is there is something about immigrating  to Australia that causes all Muslims to magically switch off their desire to abuse children. Can you please give some details about this magical process? There are no Muslims before the Royal commission. suck it up.

 


So you know to an absolute certainty that this royal commissions 'terms of reference' include investigating muslim religious community.

I dare say you won't find quite a few religious communities in there either, that's because that is how royal commissions work you dolt.

Their absence is not evidence of their innocence, genius.

Once we’ve banned the Christians and Anglos, Bobbie, we’ll work on the others.

The traitors and apologists will be dealt with in the fullness of time.

Karnal wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 10:53am:

Once we’ve banned the Christians and Anglos, Bobbie, we’ll work on the others. The traitors and apologists will be dealt with in the fullness of time.

The traitors and apologists like BigOl.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 11:00am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 10:53am: Once we’ve banned the Christians and Anglos, Bobbie, we’ll work on the others. The traitors and apologists will be dealt with in the fullness of time. The traitors and apologists like BigOl.

I would never apologise for your stupidity, booby

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 11:00am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 10:53am: Once we’ve banned the Christians and Anglos, Bobbie, we’ll work on the others. The traitors and apologists will be dealt with in the fullness of time. The traitors and apologists like BigOl.

Fancy trying to excuse these perpetrators. These people are no more than apologist scum.

Don’t they feel any sympathy for the children?

Karnal wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 11:05am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 11:00am: Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 10:53am: Once we’ve banned the Christians and Anglos, Bobbie, we’ll work on the others. The traitors and apologists will be dealt with in the fullness of time. The traitors and apologists like BigOl. Fancy trying to excuse these perpetrators. These people are no more than apologist scum. Don’t they feel any sympathy for the children?

bugger the children , woah.... settle down Christians, hands in pockets and zippers up.

Karnal wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 11:05am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 11:00am: Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 10:53am: Once we’ve banned the Christians and Anglos, Bobbie, we’ll work on the others. The traitors and apologists will be dealt with in the fullness of time. The traitors and apologists like BigOl. Fancy trying to excuse these perpetrators. These people are no more than apologist scum. Don’t they feel any sympathy for the children?

I didn't apologise for anyone, I just, as per usual, pointed out booby's cretinous commentary.

Im more than happy to kill every single pedo on the planet regardless of religious affiliation. So you have to ask why booby is denying the muslim pedo's crimes.

Check out his claim of muslim pedo's non-existence, that is a traitorous as you can get.

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 11:14am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 11:05am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 11:00am: Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 10:53am: Once we’ve banned the Christians and Anglos, Bobbie, we’ll work on the others. The traitors and apologists will be dealt with in the fullness of time. The traoitors and apologists like BigOl. Fancy trying to excuse these perpetrators. These people are no more than apologist scum. Don’t they feel any sympathy for the children? I didn't apologise for anyone, I just, as per usual, pointed out booby's cretinous commentary. Im more than happy to kill every single pedo on the planet regardless of religious affiliation. So you have to ask why booby is denying the muslim pedo's crimes. Check out his claim of muslim pedo's non-existence, that is a traitorous as you can get.

So you’re ready to kill priests and ministers, are you?

And you think that will excuse your trechery?

You people will be dealt with, don’t you worry about that.

Karnal wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 11:24am:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 11:14am: Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 11:05am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 11:00am: Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 10:53am: Once we’ve banned the Christians and Anglos, Bobbie, we’ll work on the others. The traitors and apologists will be dealt with in the fullness of time. The traoitors and apologists like BigOl. Fancy trying to excuse these perpetrators. These people are no more than apologist scum. Don’t they feel any sympathy for the children? I didn't apologise for anyone, I just, as per usual, pointed out booby's cretinous commentary. Im more than happy to kill every single pedo on the planet regardless of religious affiliation. So you have to ask why booby is denying the muslim pedo's crimes. Check out his claim of muslim pedo's non-existence, that is a traitorous as you can get. So you’re ready to kill priests and ministers, are you? And you think that will excuse your trechery? You people will be dealt with, don’t you worry about that.

What part of 'kill every pedo regardless of religious affiliation' escapes you, einstein?


Just because you and booby are covering up for the muslims doesn't make me the traitorous one. What's it like to be the protector of mussie pedos? You two are worse than the mussie pedos, without doubt.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 10:07am:

Hi Gordy, You are either a new member or a sock puppet. I am referring only to the royal commission. You are trying widen the scope of this thread. forgiven namaste

If Muslims are outside the scope of the thread, why did you put the thread on the Islam board with Muslims in the thread title?

freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 11:40am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 10:07am: Hi Gordy, You are either a new member or a sock puppet. I am referring only to the royal commission. You are trying widen the scope of this thread. forgiven namaste If Muslims are outside the scope of the thread, why did you put the thread on the Islam board with Muslims in the thread title?

Furthermore, by using the title "Christians worse than Muslims" he's laying precedent that one culture/religion is intrinsically worse than another. That's bound to blow up in your face when dealing with Muzzies :)

freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 11:40am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 10:07am: Hi Gordy, You are either a new member or a sock puppet. I am referring only to the royal commission. You are trying widen the scope of this thread. forgiven namaste If Muslims are outside the scope of the thread, why did you put the thread on the Islam board with Muslims in the thread title?

To add balance to the debate about religious people.

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 11:14am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 11:05am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 11:00am: Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 10:53am: Once we’ve banned the Christians and Anglos, Bobbie, we’ll work on the others. The traitors and apologists will be dealt with in the fullness of time. The traitors and apologists like BigOl. Fancy trying to excuse these perpetrators. These people are no more than apologist scum. Don’t they feel any sympathy for the children? I didn't apologise for anyone, I just, as per usual, pointed out booby's cretinous commentary. Im more than happy to kill every single pedo on the planet regardless of religious affiliation. So you have to ask why booby is denying the muslim pedo's crimes. Check out his claim of muslim pedo's non-existence, that is a traitorous as you can get.

We all know that Mohammad was a pedophile -

let's move on.

freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 11:40am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 10:07am: Hi Gordy, You are either a new member or a sock puppet. I am referring only to the royal commission. You are trying widen the scope of this thread. forgiven namaste If Muslims are outside the scope of the thread, why did you put the thread on the Islam board with Muslims in the thread title?

Do you sympathise with decent white children too, FD, or just the tinted Muslim ones?

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 12:14pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 11:14am: Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 11:05am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 11:00am: Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 10:53am: Once we’ve banned the Christians and Anglos, Bobbie, we’ll work on the others. The traitors and apologists will be dealt with in the fullness of time. The traitors and apologists like BigOl. Fancy trying to excuse these perpetrators. These people are no more than apologist scum. Don’t they feel any sympathy for the children? I didn't apologise for anyone, I just, as per usual, pointed out booby's cretinous commentary. Im more than happy to kill every single pedo on the planet regardless of religious affiliation. So you have to ask why booby is denying the muslim pedo's crimes. Check out his claim of muslim pedo's non-existence, that is a traitorous as you can get. We all know that Mohammad was a pedophile - let's move on.

You're getting slaughtered here. You pushing this one away looks like a Hippo's tail furiously flinging it's excrement as far away as possible.

GordyL wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 12:25pm:

You're getting slaughtered here. You pushing this one away looks like a Hippo's tail furiously flinging it's excrement as far away as possible.

Religion is being slaughtered here - not me.

It's time there was some balance -

not a whole section of Ozpolitic making out that Muslims
are the worst people while we ignore a royal commission
specifically looking at the most horrendous Christian crimes -

and guess what?

no Muslim butt slamming is being investigated because the criminals are all Christians at
the highest echelons of the church -
the most trusted Christians we could ever have.


In Australia right now - Christians are worse than Muslims.

Yes, Bobbie, but you’re ignoring the fact that the Muslims would be much worse if they had control of the church.

You have to agree with Big on that.

Karnal wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 12:37pm:

Yes, Bobbie, but you’re ignoring the fact that the Muslims would be much worse if they had control of the church. You have to agree with Big on that.

If a parent left their kids in the protection of a Muslim church
then the only thing they would have to worry about
is their kids getting brainwashed with Islam -
not getting their butt reamed out by a pedophile.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 12:14pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 11:14am: Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 11:05am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 11:00am: Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 10:53am: Once we’ve banned the Christians and Anglos, Bobbie, we’ll work on the others. The traitors and apologists will be dealt with in the fullness of time. The traitors and apologists like BigOl. Fancy trying to excuse these perpetrators. These people are no more than apologist scum. Don’t they feel any sympathy for the children? I didn't apologise for anyone, I just, as per usual, pointed out booby's cretinous commentary. Im more than happy to kill every single pedo on the planet regardless of religious affiliation. So you have to ask why booby is denying the muslim pedo's crimes. Check out his claim of muslim pedo's non-existence, that is a traitorous as you can get. We all know that Mohammad was a pedophile - let's move on.

Not just Mohammed, current Islamic culture endorses and encourages pedophilia. Hard to move on Bobby when apologists such as yourself refuse to admit this. and i will be here to remind you of it as often as required.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 12:10pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 11:40am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 10:07am: Hi Gordy, You are either a new member or a sock puppet. I am referring only to the royal commission. You are trying widen the scope of this thread. forgiven namaste If Muslims are outside the scope of the thread, why did you put the thread on the Islam board with Muslims in the thread title? To add balance to the debate about religious people.

By pretending to create a thread comparing Muslims and Christians then attempting to restrict one side of the debate? Muhammed himself had sex with Children and Muslims have endoresed the legalisation of pedophilia right here on this board, but here you are trying to make out the Christians are the problem.


Quote:

It's time there was some balance - not a whole section of Ozpolitic making out that Muslims are the worst people while we ignore a royal commission specifically looking at the most horrendous Christian crimes -

Would you like to be in charge of the new pedophilia board Bobby? You can talk about pedophilia and priests to your heart's content. It would be unfair not to.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 12:40pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:37pm: Yes, Bobbie, but you’re ignoring the fact that the Muslims would be much worse if they had control of the church. You have to agree with Big on that. If a parent left their kids in the protection of a Muslim church then the only thing they would have to worry about is their kids getting brainwashed with Islam - not getting their butt reamed out by a pedophile.

Ok so we've finally pinned you down.
You're saying categorically that Muslims don't abuse children.

Good point Bobby, all this focus on muzzies has taken the focus off the prolific sexual predators, otherwise known as, Christians, they have to be watched , at all times.

freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 12:45pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:10pm: freediver wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 11:40am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 10:07am: Hi Gordy, You are either a new member or a sock puppet. I am referring only to the royal commission. You are trying widen the scope of this thread. forgiven namaste If Muslims are outside the scope of the thread, why did you put the thread on the Islam board with Muslims in the thread title? To add balance to the debate about religious people. By pretending to create a thread comparing Muslims and Christians then attempting to restrict one side of the debate? Muhammed himself had sex with Children and Muslims have endoresed the legalisation of pedophilia right here on this board, but here you are trying to make out the Christians are the problem. Quote: It's time there was some balance - not a whole section of Ozpolitic making out that Muslims are the worst people while we ignore a royal commission specifically looking at the most horrendous Christian crimes - Would you like to be in charge of the new pedophilia board Bobby? You can talk about pedophilia and priests to your heart's content. It would be unfair not to.

OK - lets open the debate up to more than the Royal commission -
but let's confine it to Australia in the last 40 years.

No - I don't want a new board started on pedophilia.

The general board is enough whenever a new christian pedophile is convicted.

ian wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 12:40pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:14pm: BigOl64 wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 11:14am: Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 11:05am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 11:00am: Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 10:53am: Once we’ve banned the Christians and Anglos, Bobbie, we’ll work on the others. The traitors and apologists will be dealt with in the fullness of time. The traitors and apologists like BigOl. Fancy trying to excuse these perpetrators. These people are no more than apologist scum. Don’t they feel any sympathy for the children? I didn't apologise for anyone, I just, as per usual, pointed out booby's cretinous commentary. Im more than happy to kill every single pedo on the planet regardless of religious affiliation. So you have to ask why booby is denying the muslim pedo's crimes. Check out his claim of muslim pedo's non-existence, that is a traitorous as you can get. We all know that Mohammad was a pedophile - let's move on. Not just Mohammed.

Indeed.

"Hundreds of stories poured into the review held by law firm DLA Piper - from acts of ritual bastardisation to horrifying tales of brutal sexual assault against children as young as 13."

The ADF don't might a bit of kiddy fiddling.

Pedo Military

GordyL wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 12:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:40pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:37pm: Yes, Bobbie, but you’re ignoring the fact that the Muslims would be much worse if they had control of the church. You have to agree with Big on that. If a parent left their kids in the protection of a Muslim church then the only thing they would have to worry about is their kids getting brainwashed with Islam - not getting their butt reamed out by a pedophile. Ok so we've finally pinned you down. You're saying categorically that Muslims don't abuse children.

Hypothetical -
you have to leave your kids for 3 months at a religious institution.

Which one would you choose?

(a) Christian
(b) Muslim

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 12:49pm:

ian wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:40pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:14pm: BigOl64 wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 11:14am: Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 11:05am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 11:00am: Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 10:53am: Once we’ve banned the Christians and Anglos, Bobbie, we’ll work on the others. The traitors and apologists will be dealt with in the fullness of time. The traitors and apologists like BigOl. Fancy trying to excuse these perpetrators. These people are no more than apologist scum. Don’t they feel any sympathy for the children? I didn't apologise for anyone, I just, as per usual, pointed out booby's cretinous commentary. Im more than happy to kill every single pedo on the planet regardless of religious affiliation. So you have to ask why booby is denying the muslim pedo's crimes. Check out his claim of muslim pedo's non-existence, that is a traitorous as you can get. We all know that Mohammad was a pedophile - let's move on. Not just Mohammed. Indeed. "Hundreds of stories poured into the review held by law firm DLA Piper - from acts of ritual bastardisation to horrifying tales of brutal sexual assault against children as young as 13." The ADF don't might a bit of kiddy fiddling. Pedo Military

So watch out for ADF and Christians , right o , got it.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 12:50pm:

GordyL wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:46pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:40pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:37pm: Yes, Bobbie, but you’re ignoring the fact that the Muslims would be much worse if they had control of the church. You have to agree with Big on that. If a parent left their kids in the protection of a Muslim church then the only thing they would have to worry about is their kids getting brainwashed with Islam - not getting their butt reamed out by a pedophile. Ok so we've finally pinned you down. You're saying categorically that Muslims don't abuse children. Hypothetical - you have to leave your kids for 3 months at a religious institution. Which one would you choose? (a) Christian (b) Muslim

B for me

Its time wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 12:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:49pm: ian wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:40pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:14pm: BigOl64 wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 11:14am: Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 11:05am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 11:00am: Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 10:53am: Once we’ve banned the Christians and Anglos, Bobbie, we’ll work on the others. The traitors and apologists will be dealt with in the fullness of time. The traitors and apologists like BigOl. Fancy trying to excuse these perpetrators. These people are no more than apologist scum. Don’t they feel any sympathy for the children? I didn't apologise for anyone, I just, as per usual, pointed out booby's cretinous commentary. Im more than happy to kill every single pedo on the planet regardless of religious affiliation. So you have to ask why booby is denying the muslim pedo's crimes. Check out his claim of muslim pedo's non-existence, that is a traitorous as you can get. We all know that Mohammad was a pedophile - let's move on. Not just Mohammed. Indeed. "Hundreds of stories poured into the review held by law firm DLA Piper - from acts of ritual bastardisation to horrifying tales of brutal sexual assault against children as young as 13." The ADF don't might a bit of kiddy fiddling. Pedo Military So watch out for ADF and Christians , right o , got it.

Indeed.

They'll have your kid on his knees before you can say "free candy".

Started a Poll


Which institution would you leave your kids at?

The 3rd option should read -

I would never leave my kids at any religious institution -
I don't trust any religious people.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 12:50pm:

GordyL wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:46pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:40pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:37pm: Yes, Bobbie, but you’re ignoring the fact that the Muslims would be much worse if they had control of the church. You have to agree with Big on that. If a parent left their kids in the protection of a Muslim church then the only thing they would have to worry about is their kids getting brainwashed with Islam - not getting their butt reamed out by a pedophile. Ok so we've finally pinned you down. You're saying categorically that Muslims don't abuse children. Hypothetical - you have to leave your kids for 3 months at a religious institution. Which one would you choose? (a) Christian (b) Muslim

As I said before, I believe the % of people who abuse children is probably equal in any given culture but what effect the numbers is the ability to report the incidences.

I'd feel equally uncomfortable with either option.

Its time wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 12:52pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:50pm: GordyL wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:46pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:40pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:37pm: Yes, Bobbie, but you’re ignoring the fact that the Muslims would be much worse if they had control of the church. You have to agree with Big on that. If a parent left their kids in the protection of a Muslim church then the only thing they would have to worry about is their kids getting brainwashed with Islam - not getting their butt reamed out by a pedophile. Ok so we've finally pinned you down. You're saying categorically that Muslims don't abuse children. Hypothetical - you have to leave your kids for 3 months at a religious institution. Which one would you choose? (a) Christian (b) Muslim B for me

So you want your child to be abused AND learn to hate jews?

GordyL wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 12:59pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:52pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:50pm: GordyL wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:46pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:40pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:37pm: Yes, Bobbie, but you’re ignoring the fact that the Muslims would be much worse if they had control of the church. You have to agree with Big on that. If a parent left their kids in the protection of a Muslim church then the only thing they would have to worry about is their kids getting brainwashed with Islam - not getting their butt reamed out by a pedophile. Ok so we've finally pinned you down. You're saying categorically that Muslims don't abuse children. Hypothetical - you have to leave your kids for 3 months at a religious institution. Which one would you choose? (a) Christian (b) Muslim B for me So you want your child to be abused AND learn to hate jews?

They are a lefty, so the answer would be definitely, yes.

Sick fkkk  >:( >:( >:(

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 12:50pm:

GordyL wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:46pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:40pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:37pm: Yes, Bobbie, but you’re ignoring the fact that the Muslims would be much worse if they had control of the church. You have to agree with Big on that. If a parent left their kids in the protection of a Muslim church then the only thing they would have to worry about is their kids getting brainwashed with Islam - not getting their butt reamed out by a pedophile. Ok so we've finally pinned you down. You're saying categorically that Muslims don't abuse children. Hypothetical - you have to leave your kids for 3 months at a religious institution. Which one would you choose? (a) Christian (b) Muslim

They're not a religious institution, however, I wouldn't leave my kids with the ADF under any circumstances.

"Hundreds of stories poured into the review held by law firm DLA Piper -

"from acts of ritual bastardisation to horrifying tales of brutal sexual assault against children as young as 13."

GordyL wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 12:57pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:50pm: GordyL wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:46pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:40pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:37pm: Yes, Bobbie, but you’re ignoring the fact that the Muslims would be much worse if they had control of the church. You have to agree with Big on that. If a parent left their kids in the protection of a Muslim church then the only thing they would have to worry about is their kids getting brainwashed with Islam - not getting their butt reamed out by a pedophile. Ok so we've finally pinned you down. You're saying categorically that Muslims don't abuse children. Hypothetical - you have to leave your kids for 3 months at a religious institution. Which one would you choose? (a) Christian (b) Muslim As I said before, I believe the % of people who abuse children is probably equal in any given culture but what effect the numbers is the ability to report the incidences. I'd feel equally uncomfortable with either option.

Traitor.

GordyL wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 12:59pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:52pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:50pm: GordyL wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:46pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:40pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:37pm: Yes, Bobbie, but you’re ignoring the fact that the Muslims would be much worse if they had control of the church. You have to agree with Big on that. If a parent left their kids in the protection of a Muslim church then the only thing they would have to worry about is their kids getting brainwashed with Islam - not getting their butt reamed out by a pedophile. Ok so we've finally pinned you down. You're saying categorically that Muslims don't abuse children. Hypothetical - you have to leave your kids for 3 months at a religious institution. Which one would you choose? (a) Christian (b) Muslim B for me So you want your child to be abused AND learn to hate jews?

Are you saying they would safer with Christians or the ADF? Think i would take my chances with the muzzies thanks all the same

We have one person here who would be happy to leave their kids with a Christian institution.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 1:14pm:

We have one person here who would be happy to leave their kids with a Christian institution.

Sick bugger  >:(

Its time wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 1:14pm:

GordyL wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:59pm: Its time wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:52pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:50pm: GordyL wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:46pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:40pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 12:37pm: Yes, Bobbie, but you’re ignoring the fact that the Muslims would be much worse if they had control of the church. You have to agree with Big on that. If a parent left their kids in the protection of a Muslim church then the only thing they would have to worry about is their kids getting brainwashed with Islam - not getting their butt reamed out by a pedophile. Ok so we've finally pinned you down. You're saying categorically that Muslims don't abuse children. Hypothetical - you have to leave your kids for 3 months at a religious institution. Which one would you choose? (a) Christian (b) Muslim B for me So you want your child to be abused AND learn to hate jews? Are you saying they would safer with Christians or the ADF? Think i would take my chances with the muzzies thanks all the same

In futurer, please learn to read what I wrote, not what you think I wrote.

This lesson in comprehension is free.


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As I said before, I believe the % of people who abuse children is probably equal in any given culture but what effect the numbers is the ability to report the incidences.

I'd feel equally uncomfortable with either option.


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Its time wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 1:16pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 1:14pm: We have one person here who would be happy to leave their kids with a Christian institution. Sick bugger  >:(

More like brave.

How can we trust them anymore?

Those at the top moved the pedophiles around to other places where they continued their depravity -

instead of calling the police.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 1:33pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 1:16pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 1:14pm: We have one person here who would be happy to leave their kids with a Christian institution. Sick bugger  >:( More like brave. How can we trust them anymore? Those at the top moved the pedophiles around to other places where they continued their depravity - instead of calling the police.

We still talking about the ADF?

Why do people practice child sexual abuse? In some cases it has religious and cultural roots.

I can find no religious or cultural source for the depravity of the pedophiles in our western society. This degenerate child abuse exists in groups of politicians, members of youth organizations, police forces, clergy etc. why do they do it? Does anybody have an honest answer?

It is against our laws, and against our religious and cultural views.

Thankfully we have progressed to the point where we have started to have royal commissions etc into this. I hope that the perpetrators are exposed and dealt with to the harshest and fullest extent of our laws.

I firmly believe to defeat it, you have to know the cause, what is it?

Is it just depraved homosexual lust in the case of the men, who do it to little boys, what is the real reason?

Merely railing on against Christianity will not solve anything, as to beat this depravity the so called priests would actually have to get closer to the teachings of the N.T. (Christ warned against harming Children)

Why do people from all walks of life in our society do it?

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I do know that in the case of India, child sexual abuse is rampant, it is part and parcel of the culture, as the following extracts from 2007 show us: 

child abuse in India

W.H.O. estimates that 150 million girls and 73 million boys under 18 have been subjected to forced sexual intercourse or other forms of sexual violence.

UNICEF estimated 3 million girls and women in sub-Saharan Africa, Egypt and Sudan are subjected to female genital mutilation every year.

Of the young adults (ages 18-24) interviewed, almost half of them reported having been physically or sexually abused as children.

So India has a culturally entrenched problem, which overwhelms our problems a thousand time over.

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Then we have the old favourite: muslims

Well the following best sums it all up


ISLAM WAS BORN OUT OF CHILD ABUSE AND RAPE tells us

Islam is the only major world religion where child marriage has the religious sanction of its prophet. Mohammed ‘married’ Aisha, his most notable wife, when she was six years old. The marriage was consummated when she was nine or ten at the latest[b]. Like so many marriages, it was the product of an alliance between her father and Mohammed. Aisha’s merchant father was Mohammed’s first ally outside his family, and went on to be Mohammed’s successor. That alliance was sealed with the sexual abuse of his little girl.

[b]Such arrangements are still common in the Muslim world today, where little girls are treated as gifts to seal an alliance.

Islam was born out of the brutal rape of a little girl. As the mother of the Sunni Caliphate, Aisha is not just an incidental figure. Her marriage to Mohammed lies at the heart of Islam. The alliance between her father and her abuser made Islam viable by giving its prophet his first real power base. After Mohammed’s death, her father used that connection to the Chief Prophet of Islam, to gain the political upper hand over Mohammed’s son-in-law in the civil war that arose afterward. And it was her father who oversaw the codification of the Koran in its written form.

The spread of the Islamic faith and the codification of the Koran were made possibly only through the rape of a little girl. And there is no way around that. Which is why child abuse remains a permanent part of Islam. To disavow it, is to disavow Islam’s Prophet and his successor, whom Sunni Islam associates with the codification of their religion’s holiest book. Muslims cannot tolerate gently mocking cartoons of their prophet. They certainly are not about to put him aside so that no more 9 year old girls get raped.

And how could they? One of the most awful Hadiths depicts Aisha’s mother taking her from her swing set, wiping her face and then bringing her inside and putting her on Mohammed’s lap. While everyone else left, Mohammed “consummated” his marriage with her. Another describes her friends coming over to play with dolls… after her marriage. Still another mentions that she had originally played with his own children.

There is nothing terribly new here. Child abuse predates Islam. It is not uncommon in the West. But in Islam, it is an organic part of the religion itself. Even when Muslims attempt to inhibit it, they must resort to convoluted arguments that Mohammed was given special sanctions to do what he did, because he was on another level than ordinary men. And so they cannot condemn the act itself, only distinguish between Mohammed’s “high-minded” sort of child abuse and that of ordinary people.

But Aisha is only the most notable example of the exploitation of women and little girls that was a major factor in the rise of Islam.

Islam was not only born out of the rape of Aisha, but out of the rape and slavery of countless women captured by Mohammed’s forces. The rape and abuse of those women was a recruitment tool for Islam. While Muslims who fight to conquer and subjugate non-Muslims are promised 72 virginal demon women in paradise,

continued below

from above

for many of the practically minded that was not enough incentive. They wanted their reward now. Mohammed’s forces looted the property of those they conquered and subjugated. But also kidnapped and sexually abused their wives and daughters.

When some of his men objected to raping married women in the presence of their husbands, Mohammed received one of his ever convenient revelations from Allah, which dissolved the marriages of captured women making it completely legal under Islamic law and morality for them to be raped. This is not just some ancient practice, it is used as sanction today to justify the rape of married women in the parts of the world both under and not under Islamic law.

The Burqa arose because of the need to distinguish between women who were married to Muslims and could not be touched, and all other women. By covering their bodies and faces, Muslim women showed that they were off limits. Other women on the other hand remained subject to assault. Rather than practice morality, Mohammed’s men made a point of marking their ‘property’ with a brand. The Burqa was that brand. It still works that way today. When Australia’s Grand Mufti justified the gang rape of Australian girls, he did it by comparing them to uncovered meat who were to blame for what happened to them. Women who adopt the Burqa and submit to Islam are moral. Those who do not are whores.

To Mohammed and his bandit raiders, women were another form of loot. Islam expanded by force and to recruit men to fight, they had to be offered some incentives. The chance to seize women, without having to pay a dowry or negotiate tribal alliances, or even marry them at all, provided them with a real incentive. Being able to grant divine sanction to any act, no matter how depraved, let Mohammed and his men do whatever they wanted.

Islam’s Prophet had been forced to marry an older woman for financial reasons, but after her death spoke constantly of finding a “young girl to play with”. From kidnapping and raping women to marrying his son’s wife to molesting a little girl who still played with dolls– Islam allowed Mohammed to indulge his worst impulses. Mohammed reached such a level of arrogance that when he wanted to set aside one of his wives’ marital rights, he received yet another convenient ‘revelation’ from Allah. At which point the Koran records Aisha as saying, “O Allah’s Apostle I do not see but that your Lord hurries in pleasing you.” Here the true nakedness of Islam is revealed. Mohammed’s Allah was nothing more than his pimp.

Islamists depict their religion as a defense against decadence, but their own prophet wallowed in decadence. Islam was a means of getting what he wanted, from women to wealth. While the prophets of other religions had tried to appeal to men’s higher impulses, Mohammed understood all along that he had to go lower than that. His religion legalized theft and rape. Demeaned women and destroyed entire cultures, all so that he and his men could profit from their misery. That understanding gave Mohammed the leverage he needed to destroy a region where religions and cultures had formerly co-existed, and turn it into the base of global terror.

Had Mohammed been a decent man, there never would have been an Islam. Had he been wealthy and powerful enough to engage all his appetites to their fullest, there would also have been no Islam. Islam exists only because Mohammed wanted more than he had. And didn’t want to work for it. The campaign of mass murder and ethnic cleansing created a religion of terror, but it was done in the service of greed. Like so many tyrants, from Hitler to Kim Jong Il, Mohammed had a vastly inflated ego completely out of proportion to his actual abilities. And like them, he knew that cunning and ruthlessness would take him further, than righteousness and hard work ever would. He saw his opponents as weak because they were unwilling to do what he did. And that made them easy prey. Mohammed and his men did not win because they were stronger. Certainly not because they were more righteous. They won because they were willing to do anything to win. And those they fought weren’t.

Unlike most dictators though, Mohammed’s legacy did not die with him. It was encoded in the Koran, carried forward by warlords and caliphs, by numberless tyrants who kill and enslave in the name of the Koran. His contempt for women and girls is also a part of that legacy.

Wherever it goes, Islam carries with it the toxic baggage of Mohammed. And inevitably rape and child abuse follow. There is no way around that. Islam was born out of child abuse and rape. It cannot exist without it.

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So it's definitely no contest for me, islam is the worst there is, India comes in next, the western world has at least got a chance to get it right as we know it's wrong and we are working on it.

Surely this Muhammed character was an extremist who was misinterpreting the real message of Islam?

freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 3:40pm:

Surely this Muhammed character was an extremist who was misinterpreting the real message of Islam?

Do the  Christians need a commandment that says they shall not fiddle with kiddies before they realise its not cricket ?

Its time wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 4:20pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 3:40pm: Surely this Muhammed character was an extremist who was misinterpreting the real message of Islam? Do the  Christians need a commandment that says they shall not fiddle with kiddies before they realise its not cricket ?

No - they just need to phone the police when they find out about kiddy fiddlers.

I am surprised that Gandalf didn't make a contribution on this Thread.

The poll is saying that we don't trust religious institutions with our kids.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 6:34am:

I am surprised that Gandalf didn't make a contribution on this Thread. The poll is saying that we don't trust religious institutions with our kids.

Sexual abuse is even prevalent within Tibetan Buddhist monasteries. It's not religion (they don't believe in God), it's groups of young males. Jail, the Navy, this board...

Bobby. wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 6:34am:

I am surprised that Gandalf didn't make a contribution on this Thread. The poll is saying that we don't trust religious institutions with our kids.

Perhaps he was respecting your demands that (despite the thread title) Muslims and Islam are outside the scope of this thread.

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 12:27pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 6:34am: I am surprised that Gandalf didn't make a contribution on this Thread. The poll is saying that we don't trust religious institutions with our kids. Perhaps he was respecting your demands that (despite the thread title) Muslims and Islam are outside the scope of this thread.

That's not quite right -

if there was evidence strong enough of Muslims in Australia
who were fiddling with kids then that would be OK to present as a counter argument.

this site tells us

The issue of forced marriages is back in the spotlight in Australia, following reports that an imam in NSW allegedly married a 12-year-old girl to a 26-year-old man.

The imam's been charged with solemnisation of a marriage by an unauthorised person, while the 26-year-old has been charged with multiple counts of having sex with a child.

this one says

A 12-year-old girl who was "married" in an Islamic ceremony in her family's Hunter Valley home fell pregnant but miscarried, a court has heard.

this one says

A 14-YEAR-OLD girl was forced into an Islamic marriage with a western Sydney drug gang member who raped and beat her and later physically abused their daughter. 

once again we have

Concern over high child bride statistics for Wollongong

A Sydney newspaper has published figures showing there are 23 child brides in the Wollongong region, second only to Wyong on the Central Coast with 26.

A Hunter Valley Imam who allegedly conducted a marriage between a 25 year old man and a 12 year old girl has been sacked and his visa


then we also have islamic female genital mutilation

Breaking the silence over genital mutilation horror

Across the nation, young girls are being mutilated in a brutal and barbaric practice that most Australians struggle to comprehend.

It seems child rape and abuse is accepted as a religius and cultural norm by muslims

Good work Moses -

you have come up with a strong counter argument.

Maybe those Mussies are just as bad as the Christians?

Rape and abuse of children is not accepted as normal in our western societies, it is regraded with detestable abhorrence by our community at large. It is practiced in secret with dread and brutality being used against the children.

The same cannot be said for muslims, their prophet was a pedophile rapist. Rape and abuse of children is practiced with the blessings of the state / religion / culture.

muslims are the worst.
 

moses wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 5:39pm:

Rape and abuse of children is not accepted as normal in our western societies, it is regraded with detestable abhorrence by our community at large. It is practiced in secret with dread and brutality being used against the children. The same cannot be said for muslims, their prophet was a pedophile rapist. Rape and abuse of children is practiced with the blessings of the state / religion / culture. muslims are the worst.

But are there any Islamic institutions where they take in young children
& sodomise their arses?

That's what the Catholics & Anglicans have been doing for 100s of years.

I don't know, do you?

However the following extracts from this site tell us that sex with boys seems to be wide spread.

E.G.:
that the practice, called “bacha bazi” — literally “boy play” – is the secret everyone knows with comments that it’s been around for 1000 years so why do we want to raise it now….. (My pet Jawa 2008)

&

And let’s not forget those immortal youths there to serve the Muslim male in paradise –

***Koran sura 56.17-18 They shall recline on jewelled couches face to face, and there shall wait on them immortal youths with bowls and ewers and a cup of purest wine ……..

***Koran sura 52.24 And there shall wait on them (the Muslim faithful males) young boys of their own, as fair as virgin pearls.

***Koran sura 76.19 They shall be attended by boys graced with eternal youth, who will seem like scattered pearls to the beholders.

If they aren’t for sex why are they so erotically described?

&


Dancing Boys and the sexual abuse of children:

The “bacha bereesh,” or boys without beards, may dress up as girls and dance for male patrons at parties in northern Afghanistan.
“Every boy tries to be the first. They are dressed in women’s clothes, have bells on their feet and have artificial breasts,” said Mohammad Yawar, a former mujahideen fighter against the Taliban and resident of the northern town of Pul-e Khumri. (Reuters 2008)
“Everyone tries to have the best, most handsome and good-looking boy,” said a former mujahideen commander, who
declined to be named. (Reuters 2008)

The article describes men who prefer boys to their wives and the rape of young boys.

Ahmad Jawad, aged 17, has been with a wealthy landowner for the past two years. “I am used to it. I love my lord. I love to dance and act like a woman and play with my owner,” he said. Asked what he would do when he got older, he said: “Once I grow up, I will be an owner and I will have my own boys.” (Reuters 2008)

There is a host more on the above site I believe it's widespread and fully accepted as the secret everybody knows about

Bobby. wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 4:03pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 12:27pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 6:34am: I am surprised that Gandalf didn't make a contribution on this Thread. The poll is saying that we don't trust religious institutions with our kids. Perhaps he was respecting your demands that (despite the thread title) Muslims and Islam are outside the scope of this thread. That's not quite right - if there was evidence strong enough of Muslims in Australia who were fiddling with kids then that would be OK to present as a counter argument.

Even if it wasn't tabled at the royal commission?

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 7:01pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 4:03pm: freediver wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 12:27pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 6:34am: I am surprised that Gandalf didn't make a contribution on this Thread. The poll is saying that we don't trust religious institutions with our kids. Perhaps he was respecting your demands that (despite the thread title) Muslims and Islam are outside the scope of this thread. That's not quite right - if there was evidence strong enough of Muslims in Australia who were fiddling with kids then that would be OK to present as a counter argument. Even if it wasn't tabled at the royal commission?

Yes - in fact it would show bias in the Royal Commission

for picking on Christians only.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 7:39pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 7:01pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 4:03pm: freediver wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 12:27pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 6:34am: I am surprised that Gandalf didn't make a contribution on this Thread. The poll is saying that we don't trust religious institutions with our kids. Perhaps he was respecting your demands that (despite the thread title) Muslims and Islam are outside the scope of this thread. That's not quite right - if there was evidence strong enough of Muslims in Australia who were fiddling with kids then that would be OK to present as a counter argument. Even if it wasn't tabled at the royal commission? Yes - in fact it would show bias in the Royal Commission for picking on Christians only.

Yes, but FD’s getting at the question of if. What if Muslims were responsible for the sinister practices of the church?

It’s something to blame Muslims for, you must admit.

Karnal wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 7:59pm:

Yes, but FD’s getting at the question of if. What if Muslims were responsible for the sinister practices of the church? It’s something to blame Muslims for, you must admit.

No he's not.
FD has been quite fair on this.

So have I.
If there is institutionalised kiddy bum banging going on caused
by Muslims then it should be reported on this thread.

Please give links & we'll send them to the Royal Commission.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 8:04pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 7:59pm: Yes, but FD’s getting at the question of if. What if Muslims were responsible for the sinister practices of the church? It’s something to blame Muslims for, you must admit. No he's not. FD has been quite fair on this. So have I. If there is institutionalised kiddy bum banging going on caused by Muslims then it should be reported on this thread. Please give links & we'll send them to the Royal Commission.

No worries. Does Muhammed’s child bride count?

Or how about Muhammed having that Jew tortured for his gold?

Please explain. With facts like these, we’ll have the tinted races banned in no time.

I reckon I could get a Muslim right here on this forum to express support for a 50+ year old man having sex with his neighbour's 9 year old daughter.

.

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 8:25pm:

I reckon I could get a Muslim right here on this forum to express support for a 50+ year old man having sex with his neighbour's 9 year old daughter.

Good work FD -

post proof & we'll send it off to the Royal Commission.

Sorry Bobby, the offender and victim are long dead. Muslims don't like to talk about it.

What's the matter Aussie? Cat got your tounge?

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 8:25pm:

I reckon I could get a Muslim right here on this forum to express support for a 50+ year old man having sex with his neighbour's 9 year old daughter.

But of course. You already have G’s confession in the Wiki, no?

That faith ratchet post should do - post that No one’ll open it. Try that, FD.

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 9:18pm:

Sorry Bobby, the offender and victim are long dead. Muslims don't like to talk about it. What's the matter Aussie? Cat got your tounge?

Not at all.  I stuffed up.  I have  not been following this Thread much.

Karnal wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 10:48am:

The Christians are almost as bad as the Anglos, Bobbie - low IQ rates, weak genetics, high levels of retardation. They need to be banned from.entering Australia. Until they are, our kids will never be safe.

Under population isn't an issue when we have Pakistani breeders like you pumping 5 to 10 kids into Australian society.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 8:43am:

How many Muslim religious people are before the commission? None - in my knowledge. The first prize for child sexual abuse goes to the Christians.

I thought Gandalf would make some contribution - but nothing?

Bobby. wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 9:29am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 8:43am: How many Muslim religious people are before the commission? None - in my knowledge. The first prize for child sexual abuse goes to the Christians. I thought Gandalf would make some contribution - but nothing?

Under Islamic sharia  law - homosexuals are killed -

as these christian priests are homosexuals they
wouldn't exist & therefore we wouldn't have a pedophilia problem.

Gandalf has still refrained from commenting.

Gandalf insists he rejects the idea of killing homosexuals, and he sees nothing wrong with a 50+ year old bloke named Muhammed (not the female athlete) marrying his neighbour's 6 year old daughter, as it was a marriage based on true love. And respect.

freediver wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 4:27pm:

Gandalf insists he rejects the idea of killing homosexuals, and he sees nothing wrong with a 50+ year old bloke named Muhammed (not the female athlete) marrying his neighbour's 6 year old daughter, as it was a marriage based on true love. And respect.

I think the poor child was 9 not 6 but still - that's just as bad.

Gandalf is like the Scarlet Pimpernel:

"We seek him here, we seek him there,
Those Frenchies seek him everywhere.
Is he in heaven?--Is he in hell?
That dammed, elusive Pimpernel"

She was nine when he had sex with her, though many modern Muslims will dispute the testimony of the girl involved regarding her own age in an effort to arrive at a more palatable conclusion, through a rather circuitous logic that is reminiscent of young earth creationism. Others will simply insist that there was grass on the wicket, though there is no evidence to back this up, other than an appeal to consequences - ie, there must have been, because otherwise Muhammed would be a pedophile.

He fell in love with her when she was six or earlier, and organised the betrothal ceremony/purchase when she was six. I believe there was a rather weird dream involved, where Muhammed had another of his convenient revelations.

freediver wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 4:45pm:

She was nine when he had sex with her, though many modern Muslims will dispute the testimony of the girl involved regarding her own age in an effort to arrive at a more palatable conclusion, through a rather circuitous logic that is reminiscent of young earth creationism. Others will simply insist that there was grass on the wicket, though there is no evidence to back this up, other than an appeal to consequences - ie, there must have been, because otherwise Muhammed would be a pedophile. He fell in love with her when she was six or earlier, and organised the betrothal ceremony/purchase when she was six. I believe there was a rather weird dream involved, where Muhammed had another of his convenient revelations.

Maybe the Scarlet Pimpernel can enlighten us?

Bobby. wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 4:47pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 4:45pm: She was nine when he had sex with her, though many modern Muslims will dispute the testimony of the girl involved regarding her own age in an effort to arrive at a more palatable conclusion, through a rather circuitous logic that is reminiscent of young earth creationism. Others will simply insist that there was grass on the wicket, though there is no evidence to back this up, other than an appeal to consequences - ie, there must have been, because otherwise Muhammed would be a pedophile. He fell in love with her when she was six or earlier, and organised the betrothal ceremony/purchase when she was six. I believe there was a rather weird dream involved, where Muhammed had another of his convenient revelations. Maybe the Scarlet Pimpernel can enlighten us?

He's online.

Sorry bobby, no idea what you are on about.

freediver wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 2:12pm:

Sorry bobby, no idea what you are on about.

Gandalf is like the Scarlet Pimpernel:

"We seek him here, we seek him there,
Those Frenchies seek him everywhere.
Is he in heaven?--Is he in hell?
That dammed, elusive Pimpernel"

I've got a Muslim pedophile story:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/10yearold-raped-by-iraqi-migrant-at-swimming-pool-in-vienna/news-story/69abed188e157e2f425d8c204fa50f17


10-year-old boy raped by Iraqi migrant at swimming pool in Vienna.

A 10-YEAR-OLD Austrian boy has been brutally raped at a public swimming pool by an Iraqi migrant, who told police the attack was a “sexual emergency”.

The attack occurred on December 22, when the boy was dragged into the change rooms by the 20-year-old migrant at the swimming pool in Vienna, Breitbart reports.

According to local news site Kronen Zeitung, the boy screamed for somebody to help but nobody heard him.

Afterwards, the young boy confided in a lifeguard about what had happened, while the Iraqi man continued to swim at the pool, diving off the three-metre board.

Police arrested the man at the scene and the boy was taken to hospital with severe internal injuries. The attacker told the police the rape was more or less out of frustration, dubbing it a “sexual emergency”.

Kronen Zeitung reported the man said he had not had sex for four months and had an excess of sexual energy. He admitted it was a huge mistake and knew it would scar the boy.

Police asked the man if it was against the law to have sex with 10-year-old boys in Iraq. “Such a thing is forbidden in any country of the world,” he said.

The man claimed to have sex with women but had not been intimate with his wife since the birth of their daughter, and she still lived in Iraq.

Police said the man entered Austria in September via the Balkans.

Originally published as Boy brutally raped at public pool

Maybe the Muslims are just as bad as the Christians? -

organisations full of depraved pedophiles.

Apparently muslims have been using the bacha bereesh to perform bacha bazi for over a millenium now.

The qur'an 56:17-18 52:24 76:19 describes little boys in glowing erotic terms while describing what it will be like in allah's brothel in the sky, where the muslims get a room full of houri's with big breasts, with all those little sexy toyboys hanging around the brothel, serving muslim men to their hearts content.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 2:18pm:

I've got a Muslim pedophile story: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/10yearold-raped-by-iraqi-migrant-at-swimming-pool-in-vienna/news-story/69abed188e157e2f425d8c204fa50f17 10-year-old boy raped by Iraqi migrant at swimming pool in Vienna. A 10-YEAR-OLD Austrian boy has been brutally raped at a public swimming pool by an Iraqi migrant, who told police the attack was a “sexual emergency”. The attack occurred on December 22, when the boy was dragged into the change rooms by the 20-year-old migrant at the swimming pool in Vienna, Breitbart reports. According to local news site Kronen Zeitung, the boy screamed for somebody to help but nobody heard him. Afterwards, the young boy confided in a lifeguard about what had happened, while the Iraqi man continued to swim at the pool, diving off the three-metre board. Police arrested the man at the scene and the boy was taken to hospital with severe internal injuries. The attacker told the police the rape was more or less out of frustration, dubbing it a “sexual emergency”. Kronen Zeitung reported the man said he had not had sex for four months and had an excess of sexual energy. He admitted it was a huge mistake and knew it would scar the boy. Police asked the man if it was against the law to have sex with 10-year-old boys in Iraq. “Such a thing is forbidden in any country of the world,” he said. The man claimed to have sex with women but had not been intimate with his wife since the birth of their daughter, and she still lived in Iraq. Police said the man entered Austria in September via the Balkans. Originally published as Boy brutally raped at public pool

That is NOT true bobby!!!

The rapist was not a moslem.       [...a moslem can't commit a crime like that]

Ask gandalf.




That Iraqi migrant rapist was probably an Iraqi Christian.

Eh bobby ???

Coz everyone knows that Christian's rape little boys.




So please stop slandering the good name of your moslem mates.

Yadda could have a point -

maybe he was a Christian!

UN panel rebukes Iran for child sex laws

Published: 7:54 am, Friday, 5 February 2016

Iran must reform laws that allows girls as young as nine to be executed for crimes or forced into sexual relations with older husbands, a United Nations watchdog says.

Iran continues to execute children and youths who committed crimes while under the age of 18, in violation of international standards, the UN Committee on the Rights of the Child said on Thursday, after its 18 independent experts reviewed Iran and 13 other countries.

'The age of criminal responsibility in Iran is discriminatory, it is lower and lower for girls, that is to say 9 lunar years while for boys it is 15.

At nine a girl can marry, even if the law sets the age at 13,' said Hynd Ayoubi Idrissi, a panel member.

Nine lunar years in the Iranian calendar is equivalent to 8 years and nine months, a UN spokeswoman said.

The age of criminal responsibility for boys is 15, but the age for girls at 9 is 'extremely low;', Idrissi said.

The experts deplored that Iran 'allows sexual intercourse with girls as young as 9 lunar years and that other forms of sexual abuse of even young children is not criminalised'.

They called for the age of sexual consent to be raised to 16.

'The Committee is seriously concerned about the reports of increasing numbers of girls at the age of 10 years or younger who are subjected to child and forced marriages to much older men.

'Girls suffered discrimination in the family, in the criminal justice system, in property rights, and elsewhere, while a legal obligation for girls to be subject to male guardianship is 'incompatible' with Tehran's treaty obligations, the panel said.

Iran made 'positive progress' last year with a new Criminal Procedure Code that introduced juvenile courts, but nevertheless there were very serious concerns, the panel's chairman Benyam Mezmur told a news briefing.

source

========================================================================

Then we have  “bacha bereesh,” or boys without beards, who are used by muslims men for “bacha bazi” — literally “boy play” / legal sodomy. 

this site explains it all

Muslim Man on Muslim Boy Love


First let us begin with the ETERNAL promises of Allah as provided by the Messenger: Quran 52:24  "..Round about them will serve, (devoted) to them, young male servants (handsome) as Pearls well-guarded..."

Also in Surah 76:19 Allah promises fresh youths to Muslim men:  "...And round about them shall go youths never altering in age; when you see them you will think them to be scattered pearls..."
 
Before we begin, you have to understand is that Western, man-made legal systems, (that have no basis in truth, because they are not sanctioned by Allah), put all the stress on the protection of the weaker members of the society, especially women and children. However, this is the first fallacy of man-made laws.

Infidels put stress on on protecting those that cannot wage Jihad, and have little use to Allah other than making babies and serving Muslim men.

Whereas in the case of the Islamic legal system it is the opposite. Allah has rightfully created the Islamic legal system (Sharia) to benefit those that fight in his name, namely Sharia is in the service of strong virile, productive men. Allah is merciful as he is gernerous in bestowing rights and the bounty of pleasures for those that fight in his Jihad.

In the verses about the beautiful youth of paradise, he nurtured in Muslims, a liking for sodomizing young boys. (see the Quranic quotes at the top of this post). All Muslims know that homosexuality is forbidden, however, we also know that this infraction is less serious than fornication with an unwed girl.

As you see Allah likened the young boys to pearls, in the same way as he did with Houris, pearl in Arabic poetry is a feminine sexual symbol. Islam considers boys and women as of the same gender hence a woman is considered a minor all her life in Islam (first she is the property of her father, then, her husband, and finally her son).

A woman is never considered an "adult" in the Western sense. Thus the confusion. However the feminine status of a boy is temporary and it ends with growing a beard. Islam does not consider it as sexual abuse but rather a mere PLAY as described in the following hadeeth, narrated by Bukhari.

What you must understand is the mercy of Allah and his Messenger, because if a Muslim man sodomizes a young boy, is not permitted to marry his mother. See this hadith at: The Sahih Collection of al-Bukhari - Book of Marriage - SunniPath ...

"...As for whom ever plays with a boy: if there is full penetration, then he shall not marry his mother..."

With the JUSTICE that Islam affords, I think it is pretty clear that no crime in the eyes of Allah has been committed, but the pleasure that a brave Muslim warrior has received from a young boy is the will of Allah!

continued in reply 97

Its time wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 10:24am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 10:07am: Hi Gordy, You are either a new member or a sock puppet. I am referring only to the royal commission. You are trying widen the scope of this thread. forgiven namaste Rule 1 of 101 - Never leave your kids with a Christian

Nor a Policeman.
Nor a politician.
Nor a teacher.
Nor a female teacher.
Nor your daughter alone, with a male swim coach.
Nor your daughter alone, with a male tennis coach.
Nor your daughter alone, with a male athletics coach.
Nor a piano tutor.
Nor a famous TV personality.

et al.

continued from reply 95

Look to the famous Islamic scholar and Jurist Imam ibn al-Jawzi (died 1200) said boldly : "He who claims that he experiences no sexual desire when looking at beautiful young boys is a liar."

Indeed, this pederasty is a practice that has been in place for 1400 years with Allah's blessing. However, you will see that there are Western forces out to malign and insult Islam, and in the endless oppression, infidels are trying to put an end to that which Allah has permitted.

Recently, in Pakistan there were over 500 cases of Islamic man on boy love "reported" (probably by Apostate Muslims and their co-conspirators Westerners) in Islamic schools, and this was revealed by Aamer Liaquat Hussain, a minister in the religious affairs Pakistani Minister. This is on top of the 2000 reports last year. (Thankfully, no pious Islamic brother has been successfully prosecuted by these man-made laws). Rightfully, this slanderer of Islam and the practices of the Messenger and that which Allah has made halal, has received death threats from clerics, and infuriated some religious political leaders.

Moreover, Islamic leaders recently at a parliamentary meeting, have demanded he apologize for insulting Islam!

Thus, we can see with the endless evidence found both in the holy texts of Islam and the religious convictions of those in positions of power within the Islamic society.

If there is no beard. It is not a man. Therefore it is not homosexuality, and totally within the rights of a Muslim man to take little boys, sodomize them and use them in the manner that Allah has pre-ordained.

So there we have it allah ordained sex with little boys, it is quiet o.k. as they have no beards so they really are little females.

They can be used for pleasure by the strong virile muslim man, as allah's law is made for them as a reward for their services.

We all know about the pedophile rings and individuals in western society, however normal decent people regard their actions with horror and absolute disgust. We hate them, they live their sordid lives in shame and secret, always being hunted by the law.

It is not the same in islamic society, child sexual abuse is rampant, and fully acepted by muslims as a pleasure given to them by allah.

Yadda wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 2:28pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 10:24am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 10:07am: Hi Gordy, You are either a new member or a sock puppet. I am referring only to the royal commission. You are trying widen the scope of this thread. forgiven namaste Rule 1 of 101 - Never leave your kids with a Christian Nor a Policeman. Nor a politician. Nor a teacher. Nor a female teacher. Nor your daughter alone, with a male swim coach. Nor your daughter alone, with a male tennis coach. Nor your daughter alone, with a male athletics coach. Nor a piano tutor. Nor a famous TV personality. et al.

Ban them.

moses wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 2:29pm:

If there is no beard. It is not a man. Therefore it is not homosexuality, and totally within the rights of a Muslim man to take little boys, sodomize them and use them in the manner that Allah has pre-ordained. So there we have it allah ordained sex with little boys, it is quiet o.k. as they have no beards so they really are little females. They can be used for pleasure by the strong virile muslim man, as allah's law is made for them as a reward for their services. We all know about the pedophile rings and individuals in western society, however normal decent people regard their actions with horror and absolute disgust. We hate them, they live their sordid lives in shame and secret, always being hunted by the law. It is not the same in islamic society, child sexual abuse is rampant, and fully acepted by muslims as a pleasure given to them by allah.

Strange. You seem to have missed this bit, Moses:


Quote:

Rightfully, this slanderer of Islam and the practices of the Messenger and that which Allah has made halal, has received death threats from clerics, and infuriated some religious political leaders.

I don't think it's right that such a view deserves death threats, but that's just me. There's an entire organization devoted to this argument in the good old US of A: the North American Man and Boy Love Association, or NAMBLA.

NAMBLA does not represent the views of most Americans, just as this guy, as your post states, does not represent the views of most Pakistani Muslims. Homosexuality - and paedophilia - is illegal in Pakistan, beard or no beard.

Alas, Moses, you can't have it both ways. Your arguments here consistently oscillate between two conflicting poles: what Islamic texts say, and what Muslims themselves do and say. When the texts say something different to what Muslims do, you change the meaning of the texts. You even have an ironic little epithet for this: it doesn't mean what it says.

As we've shown you, the Koran is benign in comparison to the Old Testament with all its death and torture. You have not been successful in explaining why Jews are not bloodthirsty murderers, based on the Torah. Equally, you have not been successful in explaining why Muslims are generally nice people, give or take a few. The Koran contains the ancient Muslim rules of war, but most Muslims are not at war. Your argument that Muslims must automatically be at war with non-Muslims has not been successful either. The Koran explicitly states that non-Muslims should be left alone, or treated fairly in Muslim states.

The fact that some Muslims do indeed believe that they are at war with infidels only proves that Muslims, like Christians, Jews or anybody else, can believe what they like, regardless of their religion. No one recites daily rubbish here about Christians, even though the history of Christianity has been brutal. No one foams away about Jews, even though the Old Testament demands that they cut out the tongues of nagging wives, among other things, or stone them to death for adultery.

Your arguments here are logically inconsistent. The fact that a few Muslims are homicidal maniacs does not, in itself, apply to all Muslims, just as the idea that all Christians and Jews are murderers is equally ridiculous.

When all this is pointed out to you, you blame the messenger, not the failed logic. You've had years here to present your case, but rather than look into it more closely, you simply restate the same thing more forcefully. You blame Muslims. You blame "apologists". You blame everyone but your own inability to present an argument that rests on facts and logic. Even when this failed logic is pointed out to you in your own posts (see above), you rant and rail against the inability of others to see your point. I might be wrong, but I don't think I've ever seen you own a mistake and acknowledge that some of your shots have clearly missed the mark.

If you want to show me where I'm wrong, please feel free. If I'm mistaken, I want to know why all the Muslims I've met and known are, in reality, devious homicidal maniacs who want to kill me, even when everything they do and say indicates that they don't. How can all the Muslims I know, including the one Muslim we have on this board, be tolerant, easy-going people with moderate and progressive views?

I'd really like to know, Moses. How could I possibly have gotten it so wrong?

Karnal wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 3:20pm:

moses wrote on Feb 8th, 2016 at 2:29pm: If there is no beard. It is not a man. Therefore it is not homosexuality, and totally within the rights of a Muslim man to take little boys, sodomize them and use them in the manner that Allah has pre-ordained. So there we have it allah ordained sex with little boys, it is quiet o.k. as they have no beards so they really are little females. They can be used for pleasure by the strong virile muslim man, as allah's law is made for them as a reward for their services. We all know about the pedophile rings and individuals in western society, however normal decent people regard their actions with horror and absolute disgust. We hate them, they live their sordid lives in shame and secret, always being hunted by the law. It is not the same in islamic society, child sexual abuse is rampant, and fully acepted by muslims as a pleasure given to them by allah. Strange. You seem to have missed this bit, Moses: Quote: Rightfully, this slanderer of Islam and the practices of the Messenger and that which Allah has made halal, has received death threats from clerics, and infuriated some religious political leaders. I don't think it's right that such a view deserves death threats, but that's just me. There's an entire organization devoted to this argument in the good old US of A: the North American Man and Boy Love Association, or NAMBLA. NAMBLA does not represent the views of most Americans, just as this guy, as your post states, does not represent the views of most Pakistani Muslims. Homosexuality - and paedophilia - is illegal in Pakistan, beard or no beard. Alas, Moses, you can't have it both ways. Your arguments here consistently oscillate between two conflicting poles: what Islamic texts say, and what Muslims themselves do and say. When the texts say something different to what Muslims do, you change the meaning of the texts. You even have an ironic little epithet for this: it doesn't mean what it says. As we've shown you, the Koran is benign in comparison to the Old Testament with all its death and torture. You have not been successful in explaining why Jews are not bloodthirsty murderers, based on the Torah. Equally, you have not been successful in explaining why Muslims are generally nice people, give or take a few. The Koran contains the ancient Muslim rules of war, but most Muslims are not at war. Your argument that Muslims must automatically be at war with non-Muslims has not been successful either. The Koran explicitly states that non-Muslims should be left alone, or treated fairly in Muslim states. The fact that some Muslims do indeed believe that they are at war with infidels only proves that Muslims, like Christians, Jews or anybody else, can believe what they like, regardless of their religion. No one recites daily rubbish here about Christians, even though the history of Christianity has been brutal. No one foams away about Jews, even though the Old Testament demands that they cut out the tongues of nagging wives, among other things, or stone them to death for adultery. Your arguments here are logically inconsistent. The fact that a few Muslims are homicidal maniacs does not, in itself, apply to all Muslims, just as the idea that all Christians and Jews are murderers is equally ridiculous. When all this is pointed out to you, you blame the messenger, not the failed logic. You've had years here to present your case, but rather than look into it more closely, you simply restate the same thing more forcefully. You blame Muslims. You blame "apologists". You blame everyone but your own inability to present an argument that rests on facts and logic. Even when this failed logic is pointed out to you in your own posts (see above), you rant and rail against the inability of others to see your point. I might be wrong, but I don't think I've ever seen you own a mistake and acknowledge that some of your shots have clearly missed the mark. If you want to show me where I'm wrong, please feel free. If I'm mistaken, I want to know why all the Muslims I've met and known are, in reality, devious homicidal maniacs who want to kill me, even when everything they do and say indicates that they don't. How can all the Muslims I know, including the one Muslim we have on this board, be tolerant, easy-going people with moderate and progressive views? I'd really like to know, Moses. How could I possibly have gotten it so wrong?

So who DOES represent the views of most Muslims?


And if nobody - why are we talking about the 'Muslim community' when they are evidently not a community - except in opposing whatever is non-Muslim. And there are more ways of opposing the kuffar than being a homicidal maniac or being the handler, enabler, supporter, tacit approver, unconvincing tut-tutter of homicidal manians. Inwardly, they are fractured and fractious, outwardly, they are united against all the kuffar. Opposing the kuffar IS what Islam is all about.

Ban all the militant kuffar-smiter. You know them by their pajamas, their beards, the way their bints dress. Lapsed Muslims are welcome, those who have hung ups about the kuffar should be barred.

Barred. And oppressed, no?

moses wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 2:28pm:

UN panel rebukes Iran for child sex laws Published: 7:54 am, Friday, 5 February 2016 Iran must reform laws that allows girls as young as nine to be executed for crimes or forced into sexual relations with older husbands, a United Nations watchdog says. Iran continues to execute children and youths who committed crimes while under the age of 18, in violation of international standards, the UN Committee on the Rights of the Child said on Thursday, after its 18 independent experts reviewed Iran and 13 other countries. 'The age of criminal responsibility in Iran is discriminatory, it is lower and lower for girls, that is to say 9 lunar years while for boys it is 15. At nine a girl can marry, even if the law sets the age at 13,' said Hynd Ayoubi Idrissi, a panel member. Nine lunar years in the Iranian calendar is equivalent to 8 years and nine months, a UN spokeswoman said. The age of criminal responsibility for boys is 15, but the age for girls at 9 is 'extremely low;', Idrissi said. The experts deplored that Iran 'allows sexual intercourse with girls as young as 9 lunar years and that other forms of sexual abuse of even young children is not criminalised'. They called for the age of sexual consent to be raised to 16. 'The Committee is seriously concerned about the reports of increasing numbers of girls at the age of 10 years or younger who are subjected to child and forced marriages to much older men. 'Girls suffered discrimination in the family, in the criminal justice system, in property rights, and elsewhere, while a legal obligation for girls to be subject to male guardianship is 'incompatible' with Tehran's treaty obligations, the panel said. Iran made 'positive progress' last year with a new Criminal Procedure Code that introduced juvenile courts, but nevertheless there were very serious concerns, the panel's chairman Benyam Mezmur told a news briefing. source ======================================================================== Then we have  “bacha bereesh,” or boys without beards, who are used by muslims men for “bacha bazi” — literally “boy play” / legal sodomy.  this site explains it all Muslim Man on Muslim Boy Love First let us begin with the ETERNAL promises of Allah as provided by the Messenger: Quran 52:24  "..Round about them will serve, (devoted) to them, young male servants (handsome) as Pearls well-guarded..." Also in Surah 76:19 Allah promises fresh youths to Muslim men:  "...And round about them shall go youths never altering in age; when you see them you will think them to be scattered pearls..."   Before we begin, you have to understand is that Western, man-made legal systems, (that have no basis in truth, because they are not sanctioned by Allah), put all the stress on the protection of the weaker members of the society, especially women and children. However, this is the first fallacy of man-made laws. Infidels put stress on on protecting those that cannot wage Jihad, and have little use to Allah other than making babies and serving Muslim men. Whereas in the case of the Islamic legal system it is the opposite. Allah has rightfully created the Islamic legal system (Sharia) to benefit those that fight in his name, namely Sharia is in the service of strong virile, productive men. Allah is merciful as he is gernerous in bestowing rights and the bounty of pleasures for those that fight in his Jihad. In the verses about the beautiful youth of paradise, he nurtured in Muslims, a liking for sodomizing young boys. (see the Quranic quotes at the top of this post). All Muslims know that homosexuality is forbidden, however, we also know that this infraction is less serious than fornication with an unwed girl. As you see Allah likened the young boys to pearls, in the same way as he did with Houris, pearl in Arabic poetry is a feminine sexual symbol. Islam considers boys and women as of the same gender hence a woman is considered a minor all her life in Islam (first she is the property of her father, then, her husband, and finally her son). A woman is never considered an "adult" in the Western sense. Thus the confusion. However the feminine status of a boy is temporary and it ends with growing a beard. Islam does not consider it as sexual abuse but rather a mere PLAY as described in the following hadeeth, narrated by Bukhari. What you must understand is the mercy of Allah and his Messenger, because if a Muslim man sodomizes a young boy, is not permitted to marry his mother. See this hadith at: The Sahih Collection of al-Bukhari - Book of Marriage - SunniPath ... "...As for whom ever plays with a boy: if there is full penetration, then he shall not marry his mother..."

There you go Bobby. Does an entire country count as an institution?

FD

Quote:

There you go Bobby. Does an entire country count as an institution?

It does count.

I have been proven wrong - girls as young as 9 raped lawfully! -

the Muslims are even worse than the Christians.

Karnal wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 3:20pm:

Homosexuality - and paedophilia - is illegal in Pakistan, beard or no beard.

of course it is. Theres only one problem, its never prosecuted because its culturally acceptable.

Quote:

A bid to ban child marriage in Pakistan utterly failed, after the Council of Islamic Ideology declared the legislation “anti-Islamic” and “blasphemous.” The bill didn’t even move past the first stage in the legislative process, The Express Tribune reports. It was almost immediately pulled Thursday by Pakistan Muslim League party’s Marvi Menon following condemnation from CII, whose job it is to advise the legislature on whether bills are compliant with Sharia law. In this case, the bill clearly violated Islamic law as tradition holds marriage as acceptable when a girl hits puberty.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/15/anti-pedophilia-bill-rejected-in-pakistan-as-anti-islamic/#ixzz3zd0gtdQT

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/15/anti-pedophilia-bill-rejected-in-pakistan-as-anti-islamic/#ixzz3zd0a2QvE

I wonder if the age of 9 is based on what Muhammed did?

Quote:

In this case, the bill clearly violated Islamic law as tradition holds marriage as acceptable when a girl hits puberty.

Good grief, what is this so called "Islamic law"??

How dare they disregard the irrefutable prophetic example of Muhammad banging a pre-pubescent girl??

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 7:13pm:

Quote: In this case, the bill clearly violated Islamic law as tradition holds marriage as acceptable when a girl hits puberty. Good grief, what is this so called "Islamic law"?? How dare they disregard the irrefutable prophetic example of Muhammad banging a pre-pubescent girl??

Dear Gandalf - aren't you appalled by your fellow Muslims having sex
with 9 year old girls in Iran legally?

Is it enough to make you renounce your religion?

Oh look, Bobby and his "muslim! Justify yourself!" inquisition.

With all due respect Bobby, get stuffed  :)

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 7:35pm:

Oh look, Bobby and his "muslim! Justify yourself!" inquisition. With all due respect Bobby, get stuffed  :)

Are you, or have you ever been, an Iranian?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 7:13pm:

Quote: In this case, the bill clearly violated Islamic law as tradition holds marriage as acceptable when a girl hits puberty. Good grief, what is this so called "Islamic law"?? How dare they disregard the irrefutable prophetic example of Muhammad banging a pre-pubescent girl??

Gandalf didn't you spend a long time arguing that Aisha must have gone through puberty before Muhammed had sex with her?

So far we have 2 clear examples of Islamic countries where pedophilia is normal practise and culturally acceptable. .We can also  include the whole of the middle east and Afghanistan as well. Yes, Christian countries are so much worse than Muslim ones.

ian wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 8:23pm:

So far we have 2 clear examples of Islamic countries where pedophilia is normal practise and culturally acceptable. .We can also  include the whole of the middle east and Afghanistan as well. .

Well, we don’t, but what about Indonesia, Ian?

You lived there, remember?

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 7:35pm:

Oh look, Bobby and his "muslim! Justify yourself!" inquisition. With all due respect Bobby, get stuffed  :)

Gandalf - you're part of a religion where a whole country
legalises pedophilia & you have no comment other
than "get stuffed".

Well - there are 9 year old girls getting stuffed in Iran & the law allows it. 

Iran is an Islamic republic & you believe in Islam.
You need to take a good look in the mirror.

Karnal wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 8:28pm:

ian wrote on Feb 8th, 2016 at 8:23pm: So far we have 2 clear examples of Islamic countries where pedophilia is normal practise and culturally acceptable. .We can also  include the whole of the middle east and Afghanistan as well. . Well, we don’t, but what about Indonesia, Ian? You lived there, remember?

this may help you

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JAKARTA— Indonesia's health ministry and child protection advocates are calling for chemical castration for convicted pedophiles. Under current Indonesian law, the maximum prison sentence for a convicted pedophile is 15 years; not long enough, according to a growing chorus of critics.

http://www.voanews.com/content/indonesia-considers-chemical-castration-for-pedophiles/1928840.html

quite a contrast to these middle eastern countries dont you think? Can you guess why? Put that super intellect of yours to work and impress us.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 6:46pm:

FD Quote: There you go Bobby. Does an entire country count as an institution? It does count. I have been proven wrong - girls as young as 9 raped lawfully! - the Muslims are even worse than the Christians.

Now are you sure bobby ?


Because, in the title of this thread, you declare; "Christians worse than Muslims"

And in post #1, you declare; "The first prize for child sexual abuse goes to the Christians."



Whereas, in post #103, you now declare; ".....the Muslims are even worse than the Christians."


bobby, you are obviously a very confused individual.

Please take care, and don't do anything silly, while you are unsupervised.



.



Dictionary;
cognitive dissonance = = the state of having inconsistent thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes.


Quote:

Cognitive dissonance Cognitive dissonance is a psychological term to define the condition that results whenever an individual attempts to hold two incompatible, if not contradictory, thoughts at the same time even in the face of mounting evidence to the contrary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance


OK bobby, you fail the definition of being a sufferer of cognitive dissonance.

[You'd changed your mind/opinon.]

But i'm still very worried about you.


Dictionary;
schizophrenia = = a long-term mental disorder of a type involving a breakdown in the relation between thought, emotion, and behaviour, leading to faulty perception, inappropriate actions and feelings, withdrawal from reality and personal relationships into fantasy and delusion, and a sense of mental fragmentation.


Hmmmm, 'inappropriate actions and feelings', eh!




QUESTION;
bobby, will you be issuing a general apology to Christians , in relation to the title and 'thrust' of this thread ?

OR, is it ok for you to 'violate' all Christians, in the way that you clearly have, because of the way that some FALSE Christians [i.e. Christian IMPERSONATORS] have behaved ???

bobby, are you going to acknowledge that those 'Christian' child molesters were actually violating the tenets of their faith ?



Matthew 19:14
....Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

Dear Yadda - I changed my mid after FD posted the truth about Iran.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 10:13pm:

Dear Yadda - I changed my mid after FD posted the truth about Iran.

So bobby, you will NOT, NOT, NOT, be issuing a general apology to Christians , in relation to the title and 'thrust' of this thread ?


And bobby, you are NOT, NOT, NOT, going to acknowledge that those 'Christian' child molesters were actually violating the tenets of 'their' faith ?



Matthew 19:14
....Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.




p.s.
Thank you bobby,         .....for reading the whole of my post #115.

:)

Yadda wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 10:21pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 8th, 2016 at 10:13pm: Dear Yadda - I changed my mid after FD posted the truth about Iran. So bobby, you will NOT, NOT, NOT, be issuing a general apology to Christians , in relation to the title and 'thrust' of this thread ? And bobby, you are NOT, NOT, NOT, going to acknowledge that those 'Christian' child molesters were actually violating the tenets of 'their' faith ? Matthew 19:14 ....Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven. p.s. Thank you bobby,         .....for reading the whole of my post #115. :)

No apology to Christians who are pedophiles.
I am sure there are many good Christians & Muslims.


Christians who fiddle with kids are not real Christians & should be hanged -
and so should Muslims who rape kids arses & screw 9 year old girls.

I read most of your post - the first time!

ian wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 9:17pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 8th, 2016 at 8:28pm: ian wrote on Feb 8th, 2016 at 8:23pm: So far we have 2 clear examples of Islamic countries where pedophilia is normal practise and culturally acceptable. .We can also  include the whole of the middle east and Afghanistan as well. . Well, we don’t, but what about Indonesia, Ian? You lived there, remember? this may help you Quote: JAKARTA— Indonesia's health ministry and child protection advocates are calling for chemical castration for convicted pedophiles. Under current Indonesian law, the maximum prison sentence for a convicted pedophile is 15 years; not long enough, according to a growing chorus of critics. http://www.voanews.com/content/indonesia-considers-chemical-castration-for-pedophiles/1928840.html quite a contrast to these middle eastern countries dont you think? Can you guess why? Put that super intellect of yours to work and impress us.

Er, they’re Muslims?

Bobby. wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 10:28pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 8th, 2016 at 10:21pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 8th, 2016 at 10:13pm: Dear Yadda - I changed my mid after FD posted the truth about Iran. So bobby, you will NOT, NOT, NOT, be issuing a general apology to Christians , in relation to the title and 'thrust' of this thread ? And bobby, you are NOT, NOT, NOT, going to acknowledge that those 'Christian' child molesters were actually violating the tenets of 'their' faith ? Matthew 19:14 ....Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven. p.s. Thank you bobby,         .....for reading the whole of my post #115. :) No apology to Christians who are pedophiles. I am sure there are many good Christians & Muslims. Christians who fiddle with kids are not real Christians & should be hanged - and so should Muslims who rape kids arses & screw 9 year old girls. I read most of your post - the first time!

Oh yes, we are in full agreement,     ....you and i bobby.

We must not apologise to those Christian pedophiles.




And God bless all of the good moslems too, eh bobby!

Those moslems, who all revere the virtuous example, of Allah's messenger, Mohammed.

Yadda wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 10:50pm:

Oh yes, we are in full agreement,     ....you and i bobby. We must not apologise to those Christian pedophiles. And God bless all of the good moslems too, eh bobby! Those moslems, who all revere the virtuous example, of Allah's messenger, Mohammed.

Dear Yadda,
the problem is that both Christians & Muslims never read their own book properly -
they cherry pick the nice sounding passages.
ISIS picks the nasty passages.

I like some of the passages in the Bible -'
they are so well written.
It doesn't mean that I believe in sky fairies.

Karnal wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 10:44pm:

ian wrote on Feb 8th, 2016 at 9:17pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 8th, 2016 at 8:28pm: ian wrote on Feb 8th, 2016 at 8:23pm: So far we have 2 clear examples of Islamic countries where pedophilia is normal practise and culturally acceptable. .We can also  include the whole of the middle east and Afghanistan as well. . Well, we don’t, but what about Indonesia, Ian? You lived there, remember? this may help you Quote: JAKARTA— Indonesia's health ministry and child protection advocates are calling for chemical castration for convicted pedophiles. Under current Indonesian law, the maximum prison sentence for a convicted pedophile is 15 years; not long enough, according to a growing chorus of critics. http://www.voanews.com/content/indonesia-considers-chemical-castration-for-pedophiles/1928840.html quite a contrast to these middle eastern countries dont you think? Can you guess why? Put that super intellect of yours to work and impress us. Er, they’re Muslims?

try again.

wrote on :

I give up. What's the answer?

Bobby. wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 10:56pm:

I like some of the passages in the Bible -'

I don't believe you bobby.

.....but in any event, what i believe, can be of no importance to you.




Bobby. wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 10:56pm:

It doesn't mean that I believe in sky fairies.

Yadda wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 10:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 8th, 2016 at 10:28pm: No apology to Christians who are pedophiles. I am sure there are many good Christians & Muslims. Oh yes, we are in full agreement,     ....you and i bobby. We must not apologise to those Christian pedophiles. And God bless all of the good moslems too, eh bobby! Those moslems, who all revere the virtuous example, of Allah's messenger, Mohammed.

Hey bobby,   .....am i taking you out of context ???

And in what context, is associating Christians AND Christianity, with pedophiles, acceptable ?


Dictionary;
Christianity = = the religion based on the person and teachings of Jesus Christ; its beliefs and practices.




Dog,      .....bone.





Bobby. wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 10:56pm:

I like some of the passages in the Bible -'

Even those parts of the bible, where Jesus promotes pedophilia, bobby ???

freediver wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 8:14pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 8th, 2016 at 7:13pm: Quote: In this case, the bill clearly violated Islamic law as tradition holds marriage as acceptable when a girl hits puberty. Good grief, what is this so called "Islamic law"?? How dare they disregard the irrefutable prophetic example of Muhammad banging a pre-pubescent girl?? Gandalf didn't you spend a long time arguing that Aisha must have gone through puberty before Muhammed had sex with her?

Absurd allegation, where would you get such a crazy idea?

Karnal wrote Reply #99 - Yesterday at 3:20pm:
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what Islamic texts say, and what Muslims themselves do and say. When the texts say something different to what Muslims do, you change the meaning of the texts. You even have an ironic little epithet for this: it doesn't mean what it says.

"it doesn't mean what it says." is part of the tired old excuse strategy of muslims and their apologists. You're well aware of that, I believe.

Now to get to the muslim child rapists / murderers  / torturers etc., they are the ones who are following the verses of the qur'an / commands of allah / teachings and examples of muhammad.

Every muslim on this earth unequivocally believes that these verses, commands and teachings, are immutably perfect and can never to be changed.

So it's very simple karnal, muslims univocally accept these commands teachings and verses, then by definition muslims accept and support the child rape, murder, torture (name the islamic human rights atrocity of your choice) engendered by flagitious muslim doctrine.

moses wrote on Feb 9^th, 2016 at 3:28pm:

So it's very simple

Indeed.

It's almost as if it was entirely designed by the spirit of evilness isn't it Gandi?

I mean how the hell could you get anyone to believe the filth and persverision in the qur'an is pure and righteous?

By excogitation or accident?

How is it that muslims are brain dead zombies, living in a self imposed religious trance?

I know that inbreeding has created about 1/2 a billion, low intelligence illiterate muslims who can be led about by the nose, who will say and do anything.

You all think about nothing else during your entire waking life.

The sunnahs of the prophet while eating, sleeping, sitting, standing, drinking, cleaning you nose, having sex, going to the toilet, coming out of the toilet, putting on your shoes, getting dressed, getting undressed, having a dream, sitting down to pee, playing with your penis after you pee, wiping your clacker after you defecate, how to lie in bed correctly, etc. etc. etc. decree that you have to become a bunch of self imposed nutcases.

Now you're stuffed, after 1400 years of  demonism, spending your entire conscience lives brainwashing yourselves that it's all necessary in order that the satanic allah will one day rule the entire earth, and the muslim men will be in the big brothel in the sky, with all those houri's with big breasts and little boys with eyes like pearls, to pleasure the muslim men.

So how did it happen, was muhammad a tool of diabolism, or did it just happen by accident? 

You’re really trying to win them over.aren’t you, Moses?

Fishers of men, eh?

The psyche of the moslem [of every devout moslem] has become enthralled with the evil and with the perverse and evil authority, which ISLAM teaches, to all that fall under its demonic spell.


Dictionary;
enthral = =
1  capture the fascinated attention of.
2  enslave.


The spirit realm is real.

The influence which spirits [yes, multiple] can have upon men, is real.



"We sent not a messenger, but to be obeyed..........they ['believers'] can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction."
Koran 4.64, 65


"O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the messenger, and make not vain your deeds!"
Koran 47:33

Karnal wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 8:28pm:

ian wrote on Feb 8th, 2016 at 8:23pm: So far we have 2 clear examples of Islamic countries where pedophilia is normal practise and culturally acceptable. .We can also  include the whole of the middle east and Afghanistan as well. . Well, we don’t, but what about Indonesia, Ian? You lived there, remember?

Well, you don't go from 100 million to 250 million in 55 years without putting in some very vigorous horizontal folk dancing. No immigration either.
"The rate of early marriage and pregnancy has decreased sharply in Indonesia; however, it remains high in comparison to the rest of Asia." says Wiki.

They were at it hammer and thongs for decades but now it's hammer and thongs every other day. It's all that spicy food, I tell ya. Randy little brown people, insh'allah.

Yadda wrote on Feb 9^th, 2016 at 9:04am:

Even those parts of the bible, where Jesus promotes pedophilia, bobby ???

Provide a link please?

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 9^th, 2016 at 11:46am:

freediver wrote on Feb 8th, 2016 at 8:14pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 8th, 2016 at 7:13pm: Quote: In this case, the bill clearly violated Islamic law as tradition holds marriage as acceptable when a girl hits puberty. Good grief, what is this so called "Islamic law"?? How dare they disregard the irrefutable prophetic example of Muhammad banging a pre-pubescent girl?? Gandalf didn't you spend a long time arguing that Aisha must have gone through puberty before Muhammed had sex with her? Absurd allegation, where would you get such a crazy idea?

I forget. I am happy to accept that Muhammed almost certainly had sex with a prepubescent girl. Are you?


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JAKARTA— Indonesia's health ministry and child protection advocates are calling for chemical castration for convicted pedophiles.

Thanks Ian. It is nice to know these Muslim medical associations are promoting the use of involuntary medical procedures as legal punishment. Who says you need the hypocratic oath to prove you care?


Quote:

Christians who fiddle with kids are not real Christians & should be hanged - and so should Muslims who rape kids arses & screw 9 year old girls.

Would you apply the same standard to the profit Muhammed?

Sir Bobby,

Quote:

Christians who fiddle with kids are not real Christians & should be hanged - and so should Muslims who rape kids arses & screw 9 year old girls.

FD

Quote:

Would you apply the same standard to the profit Muhammed?

Yes - all pedophiles should be hanged from the highest lamp post nearest the courthouse.

Sir Bobby,

Quote:

Christians who fiddle with kids are not real Christians & should be hanged - and so should Muslims who rape kids arses & screw 9 year old girls.

FD

Quote:

Would you apply the same standard to the profit Muhammed?

Yes - all pedophiles should be hanged from the highest lamp post nearest the courthouse.

freediver wrote on Feb 9^th, 2016 at 6:50pm:

I am happy to accept that Muhammed almost certainly had sex with a prepubescent girl.

We know FD. That idiotic debate has come and gone.

And its even less of a revelation that you have no idea what I argued in that debate.

As I recall, you argued that she must have gone through puberty, because otherwise that would make Muhammed a pedophile.

Correct me if I am wrong.

ya think???  ;D ;D

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Muhammed was the first ancient leader to impose the age of consent of puberty. In Muhammed's time, girls were married off well below puberty. It was normal for girls to be sold off for a dowry to the bridegroom's parents to do domestic duties before they reached childbearing age.

Today, this still happens in India, Bangladesh and Pakistan. This is not a Muslim issue.

Karnal wrote on Feb 11^th, 2016 at 9:46am:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Muhammed was the first ancient leader to impose the age of consent of puberty.

Hence the concerted campaign to prove Muhammad was a hypocrite and a law unto himself.

As FD says - he's "happy to accept that Muhammed almost certainly had sex with a prepubescent girl" - despite what all the evidence says, and what virtually every muslim actually believes.

Quote:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Muhammed was the first ancient leader to impose the age of consent of puberty.

You are wrong.


Quote:

In Muhammed's time, girls were married off well below puberty.

You mean like Muhammed's favourite wife?


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This is not a Muslim issue.

When Muslims use Muhammed's example to maintain this standard, as many do, it is a Muslim issue. It is hard for Muslims to demand that what Muhammed did be considered wrong today, given that they hold him to be the eternal example for all mankind to follow. Do you think it is just a coincidence that this is a major problem across the Muslim world, regardless of the usual indicators for social progress such as wealth?


Quote:

As FD says - he's "happy to accept that Muhammed almost certainly had sex with a prepubescent girl" - despite what all the evidence says, and what virtually every muslim actually believes.

What evidence Gandalf?

Quote:

When Muslims use Muhammed's example to maintain this standard, as many do, it is a Muslim issue. It is hard for Muslims to demand that what Muhammed did be considered wrong today, given that they hold him to be the eternal example for all mankind to follow. Do you think it is just a coincidence that this is a major problem across the Muslim world, regardless of the usual indicators for social progress such as wealth?

Congratulations, FD, this is an answer. A good one too.

I can't see how it's hard for Muslims to claim what Muhammed did would be inappropriate today. Every Muslim I've discussed this with says exactly that - even Abu.

If this is a major problem in the Muslim world, feel free to show us. I've already shown you the that 50% of girls in India are married before the legal age of consent. From memory, 20-odd percent are married under 12.

This is not about religion per se. Women's rights are not universally non-existent in Muslim countries. Women's rights take a low priority in Middle Eastern and Subcontinental countries. The largest Muslim country, Indonesia, compares with other countries in its region on women's issues. The Philippines, a Catholic country, has a much higher number of reported rapes and violent crimes against women.

Religion seems to not have penetrated deeply-entrenched customs and culture surrounding gender. Honour killings are still prevalent in some parts of the world, despite Islamic prohibitions. The richest Muslim countries - Saudi Arabia and Qatar - do indeed treat women abysmally. And you're right, the usual economic indicators do not appear to have changed this.

But Saudi Arabia is not Indonesia. These countries have almost nothing in common when it comes to women's rights.

Still, it's nice to see you joining in a discussion. I hope we get to see more of this.

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I can't see how it's hard for Muslims to claim what Muhammed did would be inappropriate today.

There is a specific Islamic law against it - do not forbid what Allah has allowed. I think these are Muhammed's own words.


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Every Muslim I've discussed this with says exactly that - even Abu.

Iran has 9 years as the age of consent. That's an aweful lot of Muslims you haven't spoken to. Of course Muslims living in western nations can't get away with openly promoting pedophilia in the name of Islam. But I think you'll find even Abu put caveats on his opposition to it. Gandalf too I think. Basically, if a similar situation arose, as tends to happen when Muslims have their way (ISIS, anyone?) it would be back on the table.


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If this is a major problem in the Muslim world, feel free to show us.

Ahem. Iran. 9 years of age. Same pedophilic standard as set by Muhammed. Do you think there might be some kind of link there?


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I've already shown you the that 50% of girls in India are married before the legal age of consent. From memory, 20-odd percent are married under 12.

Ah, so it is not a problem then?


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This is not about religion per se.

Except of course for the thing about Muhammed smacking a little girl.


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The Philippines, a Catholic country, has a much higher number of reported rapes and violent crimes against women.

LOL.


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Religion seems to not have penetrated deeply-entrenched customs and culture surrounding gender.

Not to the extent it has in the middle east, at least. Why do you think that is?

Sorry to see you return to form, FD. But at least get your facts right. The Iranian age of consent is 13.

When will you be defending the chastity of Hindu girls? When will you be championing the rights of Philippino women? 

But more importantly, when will you drop the multi-quote question and answer routine and engage in a reasonable discussion?

I blame Islam. it made you this way.

Quote:

But more importantly, when will you drop the multi-quote question and answer routine and engage in a reasonable discussion?

You mean vague waffle? Poo jokes perhaps?

wrote on :

That’s exactly what I mean.

You see? You’re getting better already.

freediver wrote on Feb 11^th, 2016 at 5:13pm:

Quote: But more importantly, when will you drop the multi-quote question and answer routine and engage in a reasonable discussion? You mean vague waffle? Poo jokes perhaps?

So calling Muslims out means you have to call out EVERYBODY else?

No criticism of Muslims and Islam is allowed UNLESS everyone who is also similarly primitive is also criticised? Is this the shifty way to dodge any criticism of Islam and Muslims?

As you can see,  the old boy asks the questions here.

It might have been something you mentioned, FD.

wrote on :
What is your criticism of Muslims and Islam, PB?

Hold forth like usual.

Karnal wrote on Feb 11^th, 2016 at 2:08pm:

Quote: When Muslims use Muhammed's example to maintain this standard, as many do, it is a Muslim issue. It is hard for Muslims to demand that what Muhammed did be considered wrong today, given that they hold him to be the eternal example for all mankind to follow. Do you think it is just a coincidence that this is a major problem across the Muslim world, regardless of the usual indicators for social progress such as wealth? Congratulations, FD, this is an answer. A good one too. I can't see how it's hard for Muslims to claim what Muhammed did would be inappropriate today. Every Muslim I've discussed this with says exactly that - even Abu. If this is a major problem in the Muslim world, feel free to show us. I've already shown you the that 50% of girls in India are married before the legal age of consent. From memory, 20-odd percent are married under 12. This is not about religion per se. Women's rights are not universally non-existent in Muslim countries. Women's rights take a low priority in Middle Eastern and Subcontinental countries. The largest Muslim country, Indonesia, compares with other countries in its region on women's issues. The Philippines, a Catholic country, has a much higher number of reported rapes and violent crimes against women. Religion seems to not have penetrated deeply-entrenched customs and culture surrounding gender. Honour killings are still prevalent in some parts of the world, despite Islamic prohibitions. The richest Muslim countries - Saudi Arabia and Qatar - do indeed treat women abysmally. And you're right, the usual economic indicators do not appear to have changed this. But Saudi Arabia is not Indonesia. These countries have almost nothing in common when it comes to women's rights. Still, it's nice to see you joining in a discussion. I hope we get to see more of this.

So - pedophilia is enshrined in law throughout the world?

Soren wrote on Feb 11^th, 2016 at 11:36pm:

wrote on : What is your criticism of Muslims and Islam, PB? Hold forth like usual.

Oh, I never criticize, old boy. If you can’t say something nice, don’t say anything at all, that’s my motto.

Oppress the bastards.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 12^th, 2016 at 6:45am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 11th, 2016 at 2:08pm: Quote: When Muslims use Muhammed's example to maintain this standard, as many do, it is a Muslim issue. It is hard for Muslims to demand that what Muhammed did be considered wrong today, given that they hold him to be the eternal example for all mankind to follow. Do you think it is just a coincidence that this is a major problem across the Muslim world, regardless of the usual indicators for social progress such as wealth? Congratulations, FD, this is an answer. A good one too. I can't see how it's hard for Muslims to claim what Muhammed did would be inappropriate today. Every Muslim I've discussed this with says exactly that - even Abu. If this is a major problem in the Muslim world, feel free to show us. I've already shown you the that 50% of girls in India are married before the legal age of consent. From memory, 20-odd percent are married under 12. This is not about religion per se. Women's rights are not universally non-existent in Muslim countries. Women's rights take a low priority in Middle Eastern and Subcontinental countries. The largest Muslim country, Indonesia, compares with other countries in its region on women's issues. The Philippines, a Catholic country, has a much higher number of reported rapes and violent crimes against women. Religion seems to not have penetrated deeply-entrenched customs and culture surrounding gender. Honour killings are still prevalent in some parts of the world, despite Islamic prohibitions. The richest Muslim countries - Saudi Arabia and Qatar - do indeed treat women abysmally. And you're right, the usual economic indicators do not appear to have changed this. But Saudi Arabia is not Indonesia. These countries have almost nothing in common when it comes to women's rights. Still, it's nice to see you joining in a discussion. I hope we get to see more of this. So - pedophilia is enshrined in law throughout the world?

Quite the opposite. Children are getting married off  despite the law. India has an age of consent of 16.

Karnal wrote Reply #142 - Yesterday at 2:08pm:

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I can't see how it's hard for Muslims to claim what Muhammed did would be inappropriate today. Every Muslim I've discussed this with says exactly that - even Abu. If this is a major problem in the Muslim world, feel free to show us. I've already shown you the that 50% of girls in India are married before the legal age of consent. From memory, 20-odd percent are married under 12.

Oh how the excuses flow. muslims around the world claim muhammad is the best of all examples for mankind, that he spoke for allah, that his teachings are immutably perfect and unchangeable.

As for India I'd  hazard a rough guess that it's primarily Hindu with a real injection of islamic values thrown into the ancient cultural practices of inhumane child (in particular girls) abuse.

Which really goes to show that the opponents of multiculturalism are on the money, other cultures do not have the enlightenment we in the Judaeo-Christian world have.   


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This is not about religion per se. Women's rights are not universally non-existent in Muslim countries. Women's rights take a low priority in Middle Eastern and Subcontinental countries. The largest Muslim country, Indonesia, compares with other countries in its region on women's issues. The Philippines, a Catholic country, has a much higher number of reported rapes and violent crimes against women. Religion seems to not have penetrated deeply-entrenched customs and culture surrounding gender. Honour killings are still prevalent in some parts of the world, despite Islamic prohibitions. The richest Muslim countries - Saudi Arabia and Qatar - do indeed treat women abysmally. And you're right, the usual economic indicators do not appear to have changed this.

Except when the perpetrators are citing their religion (as the muslims do) when they commit their depraved acts of child / girl abuse. I'd also say that Hinduism is right there as a major component of the cause of indian cultural child / girl abuse.

With regard to the Philippines can you give any figures as to how many of the rapes consist of muslims etc. raping christian girls?

I've reason to believe that it's very similar to the European experience, muslims are the rapists pushing the figures through the roof.

Karnal wrote on Feb 12^th, 2016 at 8:05am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 12th, 2016 at 6:45am: Karnal wrote on Feb 11th, 2016 at 2:08pm: Quote: When Muslims use Muhammed's example to maintain this standard, as many do, it is a Muslim issue. It is hard for Muslims to demand that what Muhammed did be considered wrong today, given that they hold him to be the eternal example for all mankind to follow. Do you think it is just a coincidence that this is a major problem across the Muslim world, regardless of the usual indicators for social progress such as wealth? Congratulations, FD, this is an answer. A good one too. I can't see how it's hard for Muslims to claim what Muhammed did would be inappropriate today. Every Muslim I've discussed this with says exactly that - even Abu. If this is a major problem in the Muslim world, feel free to show us. I've already shown you the that 50% of girls in India are married before the legal age of consent. From memory, 20-odd percent are married under 12. This is not about religion per se. Women's rights are not universally non-existent in Muslim countries. Women's rights take a low priority in Middle Eastern and Subcontinental countries. The largest Muslim country, Indonesia, compares with other countries in its region on women's issues. The Philippines, a Catholic country, has a much higher number of reported rapes and violent crimes against women. Religion seems to not have penetrated deeply-entrenched customs and culture surrounding gender. Honour killings are still prevalent in some parts of the world, despite Islamic prohibitions. The richest Muslim countries - Saudi Arabia and Qatar - do indeed treat women abysmally. And you're right, the usual economic indicators do not appear to have changed this. But Saudi Arabia is not Indonesia. These countries have almost nothing in common when it comes to women's rights. Still, it's nice to see you joining in a discussion. I hope we get to see more of this. So - pedophilia is enshrined in law throughout the world? Quite the opposite. Children are getting married off  despite the law. India has an age of consent of 16.

Not a policy you pursue with non-Muslim subjects. There you go all critical.

Very Paki.

Karnal wrote on Feb 12^th, 2016 at 8:05am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 12th, 2016 at 6:45am: Karnal wrote on Feb 11th, 2016 at 2:08pm: Quote: When Muslims use Muhammed's example to maintain this standard, as many do, it is a Muslim issue. It is hard for Muslims to demand that what Muhammed did be considered wrong today, given that they hold him to be the eternal example for all mankind to follow. Do you think it is just a coincidence that this is a major problem across the Muslim world, regardless of the usual indicators for social progress such as wealth? Congratulations, FD, this is an answer. A good one too. I can't see how it's hard for Muslims to claim what Muhammed did would be inappropriate today. Every Muslim I've discussed this with says exactly that - even Abu. If this is a major problem in the Muslim world, feel free to show us. I've already shown you the that 50% of girls in India are married before the legal age of consent. From memory, 20-odd percent are married under 12. This is not about religion per se. Women's rights are not universally non-existent in Muslim countries. Women's rights take a low priority in Middle Eastern and Subcontinental countries. The largest Muslim country, Indonesia, compares with other countries in its region on women's issues. The Philippines, a Catholic country, has a much higher number of reported rapes and violent crimes against women. Religion seems to not have penetrated deeply-entrenched customs and culture surrounding gender. Honour killings are still prevalent in some parts of the world, despite Islamic prohibitions. The richest Muslim countries - Saudi Arabia and Qatar - do indeed treat women abysmally. And you're right, the usual economic indicators do not appear to have changed this. But Saudi Arabia is not Indonesia. These countries have almost nothing in common when it comes to women's rights. Still, it's nice to see you joining in a discussion. I hope we get to see more of this. So - pedophilia is enshrined in law throughout the world? Quite the opposite. Children are getting married off  despite the law. India has an age of consent of 16.

We live in a disgusting world full of pedophiles.

It must be the End Times.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 12^th, 2016 at 9:48pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 12th, 2016 at 8:05am: Bobby. wrote on Feb 12th, 2016 at 6:45am: Karnal wrote on Feb 11th, 2016 at 2:08pm: Quote: When Muslims use Muhammed's example to maintain this standard, as many do, it is a Muslim issue. It is hard for Muslims to demand that what Muhammed did be considered wrong today, given that they hold him to be the eternal example for all mankind to follow. Do you think it is just a coincidence that this is a major problem across the Muslim world, regardless of the usual indicators for social progress such as wealth? Congratulations, FD, this is an answer. A good one too. I can't see how it's hard for Muslims to claim what Muhammed did would be inappropriate today. Every Muslim I've discussed this with says exactly that - even Abu. If this is a major problem in the Muslim world, feel free to show us. I've already shown you the that 50% of girls in India are married before the legal age of consent. From memory, 20-odd percent are married under 12. This is not about religion per se. Women's rights are not universally non-existent in Muslim countries. Women's rights take a low priority in Middle Eastern and Subcontinental countries. The largest Muslim country, Indonesia, compares with other countries in its region on women's issues. The Philippines, a Catholic country, has a much higher number of reported rapes and violent crimes against women. Religion seems to not have penetrated deeply-entrenched customs and culture surrounding gender. Honour killings are still prevalent in some parts of the world, despite Islamic prohibitions. The richest Muslim countries - Saudi Arabia and Qatar - do indeed treat women abysmally. And you're right, the usual economic indicators do not appear to have changed this. But Saudi Arabia is not Indonesia. These countries have almost nothing in common when it comes to women's rights. Still, it's nice to see you joining in a discussion. I hope we get to see more of this. So - pedophilia is enshrined in law throughout the world? Quite the opposite. Children are getting married off  despite the law. India has an age of consent of 16. We live in a disgusting world full of pedophiles. It must be the End Times.

Arse-covering and yeah-but-no-butting for the world’s biggest population, are we?

How OB of you.

Karnal wrote on Feb 12^th, 2016 at 10:37pm:

Arse-covering and yeah-but-no-butting for the world’s biggest population, are we? How OB of you.

OB?