If you see a Paki on 14/2 whether man or woman, old or young I implore you to thrust a red rose in their hand and plant a big wet kiss on their lips and make sure you get some tongue action because Pakis are people too and need love like the rest of us.
Now as it happens I also think Valentine's day is vulgar due to the over inflated price of flowers and other crap but it's a cost I'll happily bear to make a Paki happy
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/mobile/asiapacific/avoid-valentine-s-day/2512460.html

This is another example of the sickness in Islam. Could be anything, Mickey Mouse comics, science, soap powder. Its unIslamic, and then they foam at the mouth with their Aliakbahs while shooting AK47s into the air.

But we are required by our bogus international obligations to treat them as equal.

issuevoter wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 9:09am:

This is another example of the sickness in Islam

why? because they resist western traditions?

Isn't that exactly what you are doing against Islam?

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 9:11am:

issuevoter wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 9:09am: This is another example of the sickness in Islam why? because they resist western traditions? Isn't that exactly what you are doing against Islam?

Are you suggesting we should embrace Islamic traditions like FGM-Child brides and executing homosexuals?

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 9:47am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 9:11am: issuevoter wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 9:09am: This is another example of the sickness in Islam why? because they resist western traditions? Isn't that exactly what you are doing against Islam? Are you suggesting we should embrace Islamic traditions like FGM-Child brides and executing homosexuals?

Not at all, I'm suggesting you should stop whinging about Muslims doing exactly what you are doing.

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 9:11am:

issuevoter wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 9:09am: This is another example of the sickness in Islam why? because they resist western traditions? Isn't that exactly what you are doing against Islam?

islam is the mother load of bad ideas.  We should never stop critising ideas

GordyL wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 10:04am:

islam is the mother load of bad ideas.  We should never stop critising ideas

they think the same about Western Ideas and yet you complain when they criticise it.

Yes John, but we are right and they are wrong... obviously.

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 9:11am:

issuevoter wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 9:09am: This is another example of the sickness in Islam why? because they resist western traditions? Isn't that exactly what you are doing against Islam?

You talk as if the two cultures were equal.

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 9:11am:

issuevoter wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 9:09am: This is another example of the sickness in Islam why? because they resist western traditions? Isn't that exactly what you are doing against Islam?

Why the sickness? Ask Gandalf, he's the expert.

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 10:08am:

GordyL wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 10:04am: islam is the mother load of bad ideas.  We should never stop critising ideas they think the same about Western Ideas and yet you complain when they criticise it.

Well I guess we all have to pick what we think is right and wrong. Some cultural practises don't float my boat but I'm indifferent about them as they’re harmless. Some are just wrong, and thought wrong by the overwhelming majority of people in THIS country.

GordyL wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 1:58pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 10:08am: GordyL wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 10:04am: islam is the mother load of bad ideas.  We should never stop critising ideas they think the same about Western Ideas and yet you complain when they criticise it. Well I guess we all have to pick what we think is right and wrong. Some cultural practises don't float my boat but I'm indifferent about them as they’re harmless. Some are just wrong, and thought wrong by the overwhelming majority of people in THIS country.

its not about picking right and wrong ... I don't like Islam (I'm not particularly fond of any religion) but I don't give a damn what they do over there. It's for them to sort out and they'll either sort it out or kill each other. We need to stay out of their business just like they need to stay out of ours. You can't drag yourself into their business and then complain when they object.

Soren wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 12:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 9:11am: issuevoter wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 9:09am: This is another example of the sickness in Islam why? because they resist western traditions? Isn't that exactly what you are doing against Islam? You talk as if the two cultures were equal.

you talk as if you think you are better.  :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 2:11pm:

GordyL wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 1:58pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 10:08am: GordyL wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 10:04am: islam is the mother load of bad ideas.  We should never stop critising ideas they think the same about Western Ideas and yet you complain when they criticise it. Well I guess we all have to pick what we think is right and wrong. Some cultural practises don't float my boat but I'm indifferent about them as they’re harmless. Some are just wrong, and thought wrong by the overwhelming majority of people in THIS country. its not about picking right and wrong ... I don't like Islam (I'm not particularly fond of any religion) but I don't give a damn what they do over there. It's for them to sort out and they'll either sort it out or kill each other. We need to stay out of their business just like they need to stay out of ours. You can't drag yourself into their business and then complain when they object.

I'm not a OMG the muzzies are coming hysteric however don't you think it's concerning people holding these types of views are coming here in ever increasing numbers?

This kinda makes it our beeswax.

There's no doubt about the fact that muslims / islam are the bottom of the human societal scale.

Refugee age fraud rampant in Sweden amid Muslim rape epidemic in Europe

February 3, 2016


Sweden, which is buckling under the enormous strain posed by Muslim refugees, is considering doing medical tests like X-rays of hands and teeth to confirm that unaccompanied minor children are, in fact, children.

Rampant reports of age fraud by refugees and alarming photos of "children" sporting full beards and adult-sized bodies have fueled growing suspicion that some refugees are claiming to be kids in order to secure asylum and housing, the Daily Mail reported. In the above photo, refugee Saad Alsaud claims to be 14.

The Swedish government is facing increased pressure to undertake age tests after Alexandra Mezher, a 22-year-old social worker, was stabbed to death while trying to break up a fight between two "teenage boys" at a home for unaccompanied minors in Molndal, Gothenburg.

Of the 163,000 Muslim refugees that arrived in Sweden in 2015, about 35,000 are unaccompanied minors. Migrants have a huge incentive to lie about their age: Minors have less chance of being deported and greater access to housing.

Hanif Bali, an Iranian-born lawmaker who arrived in Sweden as an unaccompanied minor at age 3, said it's important to separate adults from children because older refugees often bully younger ones at asylum centers and create a negative environment.

"Unaccompanied minors make up around 20% of asylum seekers but they cost about half the migration budget," Bali told Reuters.

“
Out of my own experience, because I have lived in these kinds of homes, the environment becomes much harsher when you have older people there.

You get prison rules and many children get caught up in the older people's trouble-making."

Police have been overwhelmed by the numerous calls they've received to manage the growing violence within Sweden's Muslim refugee population. Frustrated Swedish citizens are disgusted by the alarming crime wave in once-safe Sweden, including escalating sexual assaults, robberies and rapes by Muslims.

Meanwhile, Europe's unprecedented Muslim rape epidemic is festering after being censored by the media for years. Islamic law and tradition condones rape of "infidel" women; in fact, it's encouraged to help them "convert" to Islam.

Rape is considered the "woman's fault," because she would not have been raped if she had dressed modestly, or if she had stayed home like a "good Muslim woman." Rapes in Sweden and Norway — two of the most feminist and gender-equal countries in the world — have soared in recent years as their Muslim refugee/migrant populations have soared.

Sweden, which once boasted extremely low instances of rape, is now considered the "rape capital of the West." Gang rapes in Sweden have skyrocketed between 1995 and 2006, and the culprits in most cases were refugees or migrants from Muslim countries.


source

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 2:11pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 12:55pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 9:11am: issuevoter wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 9:09am: This is another example of the sickness in Islam why? because they resist western traditions? Isn't that exactly what you are doing against Islam? You talk as if the two cultures were equal. you talk as if you think you are better.  :D :D :D

Our culture is far superior.

ian wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 4:00pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 2:11pm: Soren wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 12:55pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 9:11am: issuevoter wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 9:09am: This is another example of the sickness in Islam why? because they resist western traditions? Isn't that exactly what you are doing against Islam? You talk as if the two cultures were equal. you talk as if you think you are better.  :D :D :D Our culture is far superior.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that they disagree with you

GordyL wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 2:19pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 2:11pm: GordyL wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 1:58pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 10:08am: GordyL wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 10:04am: islam is the mother load of bad ideas.  We should never stop critising ideas they think the same about Western Ideas and yet you complain when they criticise it. Well I guess we all have to pick what we think is right and wrong. Some cultural practises don't float my boat but I'm indifferent about them as they’re harmless. Some are just wrong, and thought wrong by the overwhelming majority of people in THIS country. its not about picking right and wrong ... I don't like Islam (I'm not particularly fond of any religion) but I don't give a damn what they do over there. It's for them to sort out and they'll either sort it out or kill each other. We need to stay out of their business just like they need to stay out of ours. You can't drag yourself into their business and then complain when they object. I'm not a OMG the muzzies are coming hysteric however don't you think it's concerning people holding these types of views are coming here in ever increasing numbers? This kinda makes it our beeswax.

we kinda don't give them an option when we go THERE and bomb their homes.

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 4:29pm:

GordyL wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 2:19pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 2:11pm: GordyL wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 1:58pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 10:08am: GordyL wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 10:04am: islam is the mother load of bad ideas.  We should never stop critising ideas they think the same about Western Ideas and yet you complain when they criticise it. Well I guess we all have to pick what we think is right and wrong. Some cultural practises don't float my boat but I'm indifferent about them as they’re harmless. Some are just wrong, and thought wrong by the overwhelming majority of people in THIS country. its not about picking right and wrong ... I don't like Islam (I'm not particularly fond of any religion) but I don't give a damn what they do over there. It's for them to sort out and they'll either sort it out or kill each other. We need to stay out of their business just like they need to stay out of ours. You can't drag yourself into their business and then complain when they object. I'm not a OMG the muzzies are coming hysteric however don't you think it's concerning people holding these types of views are coming here in ever increasing numbers? This kinda makes it our beeswax. we kinda don't give them an option when we go THERE and bomb their homes.

Really? Is that silly little Shia/Sunni schism which dates back a year or two totally the west's fault?  You do realise the vast overwhelming majority of Muslims are killed by muslims of another sect right?

I bet you bleated about the west propping up dictators which keep the lid on sectarian violence then blame the west for removing them.

We stir the drink but the ingredients were already there.

In your opinion what% is caused by the likes of Saudi, Turkey,  Iran and Egypt having a proxy little Shia/sunni party and the evil West....and of course the vermin Jeeeewwwwz :-?

So who snogged a Paki today? 

I spent nearly $1000 on taxis today and bought 50 litres of milk from 7-11 and not a single paki.

I was looking forward to locking lips with hot Paki guy.

GordyL wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 4:49pm:

Is that silly little Shia/Sunni schism which dates back a year or two totally the west's fault?

no, but muslim asylum seekers coming here are. The muslims have been killing each other for decades, like I said, leave them to sort themselves out, they'll either work it out or kill each other. Our dragging ourselves into it only makes us a target.


GordyL wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 4:49pm:

You do realise the vast overwhelming majority of Muslims are killed by muslims of another sect right?

yep ... nothing new. they've been doing so for centuries

GordyL wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 4:49pm:

I bet you bleated about the west propping up dictators which keep the lid on sectarian violence then blame the west for removing them.

I've always opposed the west going to Iraq the second time. I'm opposed to the west being there at all. We have dictators in Africa killing millions, but somehow the west avoids those areas. Is it the dictators they prop up, or the oil?


GordyL wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 4:49pm:

We stir the drink but the ingredients were already there.

petrol doesn't burn until you light it up


GordyL wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 4:49pm:

In your opinion what% is caused by the likes of Saudi, Turkey,  Iran and Egypt having a proxy little Shia/sunni party and the evil West....and of course the vermin Jeeeewwwwz Huh

I don't know nor do I  care .... like I said, we have no business getting involved in the middle east. If they want to kill each other, whilst sad, ultimately we have to let let them. The west trying to impose it's beliefs onto them only causes more bloodshed, except that it spreads beyond the boundaries of the middle east. 

We can't make them change, they have to want to change, until then, they live with the seeds they sow.

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 5:39pm:

GordyL wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 4:49pm: Is that silly little Shia/Sunni schism which dates back a year or two totally the west's fault? no, but muslim asylum seekers coming here are. The muslims have been killing each other for decades, like I said, leave them to sort themselves out, they'll either work it out or kill each other. Our dragging ourselves into it only makes us a target. GordyL wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 4:49pm: You do realise the vast overwhelming majority of Muslims are killed by muslims of another sect right? yep ... nothing new. they've been doing so for centuries GordyL wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 4:49pm: I bet you bleated about the west propping up dictators which keep the lid on sectarian violence then blame the west for removing them. I've always opposed the west going to Iraq the second time. I'm opposed to the west being there at all. We have dictators in Africa killing millions, but somehow the west avoids those areas. Is it the dictators they prop up, or the oil? GordyL wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 4:49pm: We stir the drink but the ingredients were already there. petrol doesn't burn until you light it up GordyL wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 4:49pm: In your opinion what% is caused by the likes of Saudi, Turkey,  Iran and Egypt having a proxy little Shia/sunni party and the evil West....and of course the vermin Jeeeewwwwz Huh I don't know nor do I  care .... like I said, we have no business getting involved in the middle east. If they want to kill each other, whilst sad, ultimately we have to let let them. The west trying to impose it's beliefs onto them only causes more bloodshed, except that it spreads beyond the boundaries of the middle east.  We can't make them change, they have to want to change, until then, they live with the seeds they sow.

I guess you think I'm a bomb them to oblivion hawk?
Guess what...I agree with you!!!
Make me omnipotent ruler of the planet and I'd push us towards any energy source other than oil from the Middle East.

Think of the money that was pissed away on IraqII and Afghanistan, USA could have converted it's energy economy to a mixture of gas, nuclear, solar, farts...what ever.

My goal would be to cut off every last dollar to Saudi Arabia, stop then sending their wahhabi crack pots to all corners of the globe and let the Muslims either butcher each other, or sort it out  IE, EVOLVE.

Knock on the door when you're ready to play nice.

GordyL wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 4:58pm:

So who snogged a Paki today?  I spent nearly $1000 on t >:(axis today and bought 50 litres of milk from 7-11 and not a single paki. I was looking forward to locking lips with hot Paki guy.

Ah, effende, we are playing hard to get, isn’t it.

Insh’allah, one day you shall find. We will sell you fruit in a cup.

ian wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 4:00pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 2:11pm: Soren wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 12:55pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 9:11am: issuevoter wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 9:09am: This is another example of the sickness in Islam why? because they resist western traditions? Isn't that exactly what you are doing against Islam? You talk as if the two cultures were equal. you talk as if you think you are better.  :D :D :D Our culture is far superior.

You have mutton chops in your fine culture? Sultan jalfreezi? Saag biriyani? Kiboob?

It's all arranged Gordy. That's how Karnal met her husband.

For the right price, I can sell. Chip?

Karnal got swapped for 10 goats , a 1984 Econovan and 4 beheading DVDs. That's the standard going rate for a Paki princess like Karnal. Not a virgin, but a damned good breeder and subservient .

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 2:11pm:

GordyL wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 1:58pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 10:08am: GordyL wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 10:04am: islam is the mother load of bad ideas.  We should never stop critising ideas they think the same about Western Ideas and yet you complain when they criticise it. Well I guess we all have to pick what we think is right and wrong. Some cultural practises don't float my boat but I'm indifferent about them as they’re harmless. Some are just wrong, and thought wrong by the overwhelming majority of people in THIS country. its not about picking right and wrong ... I don't like Islam (I'm not particularly fond of any religion) but I don't give a damn what they do over there. It's for them to sort out and they'll either sort it out or kill each other. We need to stay out of their business just like they need to stay out of ours. You can't drag yourself into their business and then complain when they object.

Where do you stand on what they are doing over here?

Soren wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 6:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 2:11pm: GordyL wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 1:58pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 10:08am: GordyL wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 10:04am: islam is the mother load of bad ideas.  We should never stop critising ideas they think the same about Western Ideas and yet you complain when they criticise it. Well I guess we all have to pick what we think is right and wrong. Some cultural practises don't float my boat but I'm indifferent about them as they’re harmless. Some are just wrong, and thought wrong by the overwhelming majority of people in THIS country. its not about picking right and wrong ... I don't like Islam (I'm not particularly fond of any religion) but I don't give a damn what they do over there. It's for them to sort out and they'll either sort it out or kill each other. We need to stay out of their business just like they need to stay out of ours. You can't drag yourself into their business and then complain when they object. Where do you stand on what they are doing over here?

Yup I was going to ask the same thing.

Do you think all immigrants who come to Australia should be sat down and given a stern talking to about stuff that's on and not on? I'm not talking about a pop quiz to see if they know who Skippy and Don Bradman is.

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 2:11pm:

GordyL wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 1:58pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 10:08am: GordyL wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 10:04am: islam is the mother load of bad ideas.  We should never stop critising ideas they think the same about Western Ideas and yet you complain when they criticise it. Well I guess we all have to pick what we think is right and wrong. Some cultural practises don't float my boat but I'm indifferent about them as they’re harmless. Some are just wrong, and thought wrong by the overwhelming majority of people in THIS country. its not about picking right and wrong ... I don't like Islam (I'm not particularly fond of any religion) but I don't give a damn what they do over there. It's for them to sort out and they'll either sort it out or kill each other. We need to stay out of their business just like they need to stay out of ours. You can't drag yourself into their business and then complain when they object.

Do you agree with Brian that we have no right or even ability to criticise other nations and religions?

How far would you extend your silence? Would you still be telling us to mind our own business if they started methodically killing non-Muslims in an increasing number of countries? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion?


Quote:

I don't know nor do I  care .... like I said, we have no business getting involved in the middle east. If they want to kill each other, whilst sad, ultimately we have to let let them. The west trying to impose it's beliefs onto them only causes more bloodshed, except that it spreads beyond the boundaries of the middle east.

John do you think the best way to contain ISIS is to leave them alone?

GordyL wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 6:58pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 6:24pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 2:11pm: GordyL wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 1:58pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 10:08am: GordyL wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 10:04am: islam is the mother load of bad ideas.  We should never stop critising ideas they think the same about Western Ideas and yet you complain when they criticise it. Well I guess we all have to pick what we think is right and wrong. Some cultural practises don't float my boat but I'm indifferent about them as they’re harmless. Some are just wrong, and thought wrong by the overwhelming majority of people in THIS country. its not about picking right and wrong ... I don't like Islam (I'm not particularly fond of any religion) but I don't give a damn what they do over there. It's for them to sort out and they'll either sort it out or kill each other. We need to stay out of their business just like they need to stay out of ours. You can't drag yourself into their business and then complain when they object. Where do you stand on what they are doing over here? Yup I was going to ask the same thing. Do you think all immigrants who come to Australia should be sat down and given a stern talking to about stuff that's on and not on? I'm not talking about a pop quiz to see if they know who Skippy and Don Bradman is.

Not at all.

They should be chucked out the moment they cross the line of cultural incompatibility.

It is NOT for us to tell them what they are coming into. It is for THEM to find it out and to assimilate to it. They don't HAVE to come here. If they can't bother to assimilate, they can and should be thrown out.


After all, we are giving them a chance to BETTER their lives. Not a chance to sh!t into ours.


So fit in or farrk off is entirely correct.

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 2:11pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 12:55pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 9:11am: issuevoter wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 9:09am: This is another example of the sickness in Islam why? because they resist western traditions? Isn't that exactly what you are doing against Islam? You talk as if the two cultures were equal. you talk as if you think you are better.  :D :D :D

Absolutely I am in so far as I make the best of my culture (rather piss and poo on it like you do)

Danish, English, Italian, French, Spanish, German - European -  culture and civilisation are infinitely better than any, ANY Muslim Arabs version of culture.

It is not my making but I DO identify with them.   Who the hell wants to be a backward Muslim Arab when they could be Danish, English, Italian, French etc??

Soren wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 8:07pm:

GordyL wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 6:58pm: Soren wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 6:24pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 2:11pm: GordyL wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 1:58pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 10:08am: GordyL wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 10:04am: islam is the mother load of bad ideas.  We should never stop critising ideas they think the same about Western Ideas and yet you complain when they criticise it. Well I guess we all have to pick what we think is right and wrong. Some cultural practises don't float my boat but I'm indifferent about them as they’re harmless. Some are just wrong, and thought wrong by the overwhelming majority of people in THIS country. its not about picking right and wrong ... I don't like Islam (I'm not particularly fond of any religion) but I don't give a damn what they do over there. It's for them to sort out and they'll either sort it out or kill each other. We need to stay out of their business just like they need to stay out of ours. You can't drag yourself into their business and then complain when they object. Where do you stand on what they are doing over here? Yup I was going to ask the same thing. Do you think all immigrants who come to Australia should be sat down and given a stern talking to about stuff that's on and not on? I'm not talking about a pop quiz to see if they know who Skippy and Don Bradman is. Not at all. They should be chucked out the moment they cross the line of cultural incompatibility. It is NOT for us to tell them what they are coming into. It is for THEM to find it out and to assimilate to it. They don't HAVE to come here. If they can't bother to assimilate, they can and should be thrown out. After all, we are giving them a chance to BETTER their lives. Not a chance to sh!t into ours. So fit in or farrk off is entirely correct.

The problem is this lot loves their sky daddy way too much.
Give an inch.....

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Soren wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 8:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 2:11pm: Soren wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 12:55pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 9:11am: issuevoter wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 9:09am: This is another example of the sickness in Islam why? because they resist western traditions? Isn't that exactly what you are doing against Islam? You talk as if the two cultures were equal. you talk as if you think you are better.  :D :D :D Absolutely I am in so far as I make the best of my culture (rather piss and poo on it like you do) Danish, English, Italian, French, Spanish, German - European -  culture and civilisation are infinitely better than any, ANY Muslim Arabs version of culture. It is not my making but I DO identify with them.   Who the hell wants to be a backward Muslim Arab when they could be Danish, English, Italian, French etc??

piss and poo on it like I do? Exactly where have I done that Sore end? Is it because I haven't partaken of your hobby of crapping all over Muslims?

You see, someone who gets a kick out of pissing on others, can in my book, never call themselves superior. Someone truly superior wouldn't need to piss and poo on others down like you do.

As to who wants to be a Muslim ... it's the fastest growing religion in the world you drop kick.  :D :D :D

Soren wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 6:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 2:11pm: GordyL wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 1:58pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 10:08am: GordyL wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 10:04am: islam is the mother load of bad ideas.  We should never stop critising ideas they think the same about Western Ideas and yet you complain when they criticise it. Well I guess we all have to pick what we think is right and wrong. Some cultural practises don't float my boat but I'm indifferent about them as they’re harmless. Some are just wrong, and thought wrong by the overwhelming majority of people in THIS country. its not about picking right and wrong ... I don't like Islam (I'm not particularly fond of any religion) but I don't give a damn what they do over there. It's for them to sort out and they'll either sort it out or kill each other. We need to stay out of their business just like they need to stay out of ours. You can't drag yourself into their business and then complain when they object. Where do you stand on what they are doing over here?

you'll need to be more specific ... who are you talking about and what exactly are they doing ?

freediver wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 8:02pm:

Do you agree with Brian that we have no right or even ability to criticise other nations and religions?

criticism is one thing, and I have no problem with it if the criticism is valid. Continuous Muslim bashing  hidden under a veil of 'criticism' is another thing altogether and I don't agree with it.


freediver wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 8:02pm:

How far would you extend your silence? Would you still be telling us to mind our own business if they started methodically killing non-Muslims in an increasing number of countries?

Depends, are we still dropping bombs on them or not? You can't kill them then complain when they repay the favour. Your moral cushion is skewed by your beliefs.


freediver wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 8:02pm:

John do you think the best way to contain ISIS is to leave them alone?

Not leaving them alone is what created ISIS.

Quote:

criticism is one thing, and I have no problem with it if the criticism is valid. Continuous Muslim bashing  hidden under a veil of 'criticism' is another thing altogether and I don't agree with it.

Ah, so you think I should refrain from physically assaulting Muslims while posting on this forum to establish an alibi?


Quote:

Depends, are we still dropping bombs on them or not? You can't kill them then complain when they repay the favour. Your moral cushion is skewed by your beliefs.

So if ISIS for example continued to grow by slaughtering non-Muslims, you would tell us to mind our own business?


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Not leaving them alone is what created ISIS.

Muslims created ISIS John. Would you extend any of the responsibility to them?

Do you love Pakis?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 5:59am:

Ah, so you think I should refrain from physically assaulting Muslims while posting on this forum to establish an alibi?

now you're being deliberately obtuse


freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 5:59am:

So if ISIS for example continued to grow by slaughtering non-Muslims, you would tell us to mind our own business?

yes


freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 5:59am:

Muslims created ISIS John. Would you extend any of the responsibility to them?

rubbish. ISIS came about after western interference. Funny how many of the original leaders of ISIS were former  Republican Guard officers. Imagine what would have happened if we didn't go into Iraq II

Soren wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 8:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 2:11pm: Soren wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 12:55pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 9:11am: issuevoter wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 9:09am: This is another example of the sickness in Islam why? because they resist western traditions? Isn't that exactly what you are doing against Islam? You talk as if the two cultures were equal. you talk as if you think you are better.  :D :D :D Absolutely I am in so far as I make the best of my culture (rather piss and poo on it like you do)

We must all perform our ablutions, my friend. We must give back, no?

John Smith wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 7:55am:

freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2016 at 5:59am: Ah, so you think I should refrain from physically assaulting Muslims while posting on this forum to establish an alibi? now you're being deliberately obtuse freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2016 at 5:59am: So if ISIS for example continued to grow by slaughtering non-Muslims, you would tell us to mind our own business? yes freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2016 at 5:59am: Muslims created ISIS John. Would you extend any of the responsibility to them? rubbish. ISIS came about after western interference. Funny how many of the original leaders of ISIS were former  Republican Guard officers. Imagine what would have happened if we didn't go into Iraq II

John, at some stage people must be held accountable for their actions. After the USA rolled thru Iraq and into Baghdad there was but a brief moment of calm.

The destiny of the country was in it's own hands. They could have all held hands, let out a sigh of relief that Sadam was gone and got one with nation building.

But what happened? Two seconds later they started butchering each other along sectarian lines.

That is on them and no one else.

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 11:23pm:

[quote author=freediver link=1455373840/29#29 date=1455444170] Do you agree with Brian that we have no right or even ability to criticise other nations and religions?

criticism is one thing, and I have no problem with it if the criticism is valid. Continuous Muslim bashing  hidden under a veil of 'criticism' is another thing altogether and I don't agree with it.

I get it, bigots are taking cover in the guise of critiquing Islam. I've got nothing what so ever against Muslim people, but I have big problems with the ideology, and these problems are borne from real life experiences, not listening to Alan Jones or Bolt and sitting around frothing at the mouth saying 'the muzzies are coming'.

John, it's perfectly acceptable to say that a persons ideas or actions are fallible. A culture is just a collection of people. Some cultures are less better than others. Who would disagree that the Catholic Church's culture of celibate priests is flawed?

GordyL wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 9:05am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 15th, 2016 at 7:55am: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2016 at 5:59am: Ah, so you think I should refrain from physically assaulting Muslims while posting on this forum to establish an alibi? now you're being deliberately obtuse freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2016 at 5:59am: So if ISIS for example continued to grow by slaughtering non-Muslims, you would tell us to mind our own business? yes freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2016 at 5:59am: Muslims created ISIS John. Would you extend any of the responsibility to them? rubbish. ISIS came about after western interference. Funny how many of the original leaders of ISIS were former  Republican Guard officers. Imagine what would have happened if we didn't go into Iraq II John, at some stage people must be held accountable for their actions. After the USA rolled thru Iraq and into Baghdad there was but a brief moment of calm. The destiny of the country was in it's own hands.

Oh yes, that's why Uncle occupied the place and used the Iraqi treasury to pay his friends for contracts.

FD has a similar take on Uncle bringing democracy to Iraq, Gordy, but he won't say how. Given you have a similar belief, can I ask?

How did Uncle bring democracy to Iraq?

freediver wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 8:02pm:

How far would you extend your silence? Would you still be telling us to mind our own business if they started methodically killing non-Muslims in an increasing number of countries? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion?

Interesting question FD - by the way, how far would you extend your silence over the porkies and the "ban them, kill them, nuke them" attacks against muslims? If it led to killing of muslims in an increasing number of countries, would you continue grasping for endless diversions to avoid having to condemn them, or even address the issue at all? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion?

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 10:43am:

freediver wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 8:02pm: How far would you extend your silence? Would you still be telling us to mind our own business if they started methodically killing non-Muslims in an increasing number of countries? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion? Interesting question FD - by the way, how far would you extend your silence over the porkies and the "ban them, kill them, nuke them" attacks against muslims?

Oh, that's easy. This question will be met with resounding silence.

GordyL wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 9:13am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 11:23pm: [quote author=freediver link=1455373840/29#29 date=1455444170] Do you agree with Brian that we have no right or even ability to criticise other nations and religions? criticism is one thing, and I have no problem with it if the criticism is valid. Continuous Muslim bashing  hidden under a veil of 'criticism' is another thing altogether and I don't agree with it. I get it, bigots are taking cover in the guise of critiquing Islam. I've got nothing what so ever against Muslim people, but I have big problems with the ideology, and these problems are borne from real life experiences, not listening to Alan Jones or Bolt and sitting around frothing at the mouth saying 'the muzzies are coming'. John, it's perfectly acceptable to say that a persons ideas or actions are fallible. A culture is just a collection of people. Some cultures are less better than others. Who would disagree that the Catholic Church's culture of celibate priests is flawed?

I don't disagree with anything you've said there.

GordyL wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 9:05am:

. After the USA rolled thru Iraq and into Baghdad there was but a brief moment of calm.

they weren't ready for it ... that's why trying to make them won't work. It'll only work when they want it bad enough, until then they have to live with their decisions

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 11:12pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 8:15pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 2:11pm: Soren wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 12:55pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 9:11am: issuevoter wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 9:09am: This is another example of the sickness in Islam why? because they resist western traditions? Isn't that exactly what you are doing against Islam? You talk as if the two cultures were equal. you talk as if you think you are better.  :D :D :D Absolutely I am in so far as I make the best of my culture (rather piss and poo on it like you do) Danish, English, Italian, French, Spanish, German - European -  culture and civilisation are infinitely better than any, ANY Muslim Arabs version of culture. It is not my making but I DO identify with them.   Who the hell wants to be a backward Muslim Arab when they could be Danish, English, Italian, French etc?? piss and poo on it like I do? Exactly where have I done that Sore end? Is it because I haven't partaken of your hobby of crapping all over Muslims? You see, someone who gets a kick out of pissing on others, can in my book, never call themselves superior. Someone truly superior wouldn't need to piss and poo on others down like you do. As to who wants to be a Muslim ... it's the fastest growing religion in the world you drop kick.  :D :D :D

You are excusing and supporting the importation of people from a rape culture into the West on the basis they will overwhelm any culture that lets them in so why resist them.

That's maximum piss and poo on your own culture.

GordyL wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 6:58pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 6:24pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 2:11pm: GordyL wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 1:58pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 10:08am: GordyL wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 10:04am: islam is the mother load of bad ideas.  We should never stop critising ideas they think the same about Western Ideas and yet you complain when they criticise it. Well I guess we all have to pick what we think is right and wrong. Some cultural practises don't float my boat but I'm indifferent about them as they’re harmless. Some are just wrong, and thought wrong by the overwhelming majority of people in THIS country. its not about picking right and wrong ... I don't like Islam (I'm not particularly fond of any religion) but I don't give a damn what they do over there. It's for them to sort out and they'll either sort it out or kill each other. We need to stay out of their business just like they need to stay out of ours. You can't drag yourself into their business and then complain when they object. Where do you stand on what they are doing over here? Yup I was going to ask the same thing. Do you think all immigrants who come to Australia should be sat down and given a stern talking to about stuff that's on and not on? I'm not talking about a pop quiz to see if they know who Skippy and Don Bradman is.

Most of them should not be let in before we get to the sit down and stern talk bit.

Mass immigration is a political fraud and economic burden.

Australia has doubled its population at the same rate as the world - that means we have third world breeders who will radically transform this country and will send it down the bath of Brasil and other tribal societies. The individual will be supplanted by the tribal identity and corruption and nepotism will be everywhere.
I give it 50 years, no more. Australia will be just another corrupt, declining multiracial society like Brasil, South Africa, the US and Canada.


Culture matters. Indiscriminate mass immigration brings crap cultures to the fore and to dominance, eventually. The breeders will win. And the breeders are not sharing your culture.


"Lebanese- and Syrian-born residents have an average of four and 3.5 children respectively, whereas Australian-born women have 1.86....
To keep the math simple, take a population of 100,000, 90 per cent of whom have 1.86 kids per woman and 10 per cent of whom have four:

The 90,000 have 83,700 children;
The 10,000 have 20,000 children.

In turn:

The 83,700 have 77,841 children;
The 20,000 have 40,000 children.

And thereafter the minority is the majority. And all that growth is without a single new immigrant."

http://www.steynonline.com/7458/toss-another-western-society-on-the-barbie


Numbers. You can't ignore numbers.

But most of you will because being ignorant is 'noice'.

Soren wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 9:56pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 11:12pm: Soren wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 8:15pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 2:11pm: Soren wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 12:55pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 9:11am: issuevoter wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 9:09am: This is another example of the sickness in Islam why? because they resist western traditions? Isn't that exactly what you are doing against Islam? You talk as if the two cultures were equal. you talk as if you think you are better.  :D :D :D Absolutely I am in so far as I make the best of my culture (rather piss and poo on it like you do) Danish, English, Italian, French, Spanish, German - European -  culture and civilisation are infinitely better than any, ANY Muslim Arabs version of culture. It is not my making but I DO identify with them.   Who the hell wants to be a backward Muslim Arab when they could be Danish, English, Italian, French etc?? piss and poo on it like I do? Exactly where have I done that Sore end? Is it because I haven't partaken of your hobby of crapping all over Muslims? You see, someone who gets a kick out of pissing on others, can in my book, never call themselves superior. Someone truly superior wouldn't need to piss and poo on others down like you do. As to who wants to be a Muslim ... it's the fastest growing religion in the world you drop kick.  :D :D :D You are excusing and supporting the importation of people from a rape culture into the West on the basis they will overwhelm any culture that lets them in so why resist them. That's maximum piss and poo on your own culture.

Yes, old boy, but we let you in, and you want to oppress  the bastards. You also have an unlimited supply of stool. You stand against every value our culture is.about.

Still, I do feel.there’s hope for you yet. You’re always free to come to Pakistan, you know.

You’d love it.

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 2:11pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 12:55pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 9:11am: issuevoter wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 9:09am: This is another example of the sickness in Islam why? because they resist western traditions? Isn't that exactly what you are doing against Islam? You talk as if the two cultures were equal. you talk as if you think you are better.  :D :D :D

I know, as do you and everyone else, that Western culture is better in every way that Islamic culture. There is no contest. Western culture is simply better by any reckoning.

Soren wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 10:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 2:11pm: Soren wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 12:55pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 9:11am: issuevoter wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 9:09am: This is another example of the sickness in Islam why? because they resist western traditions? Isn't that exactly what you are doing against Islam? You talk as if the two cultures were equal. you talk as if you think you are better.  :D :D :D I know, as do you and everyone else, that Western culture is better in every way that Islamic culture. There is no contest. Western culture is simply better by any reckoning.

Why don't you try running that by an Islamic person, see if they 'know' it too!

John Smith wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 10:50pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 15th, 2016 at 10:46pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 2:11pm: Soren wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 12:55pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 9:11am: issuevoter wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 9:09am: This is another example of the sickness in Islam why? because they resist western traditions? Isn't that exactly what you are doing against Islam? You talk as if the two cultures were equal. you talk as if you think you are better.  :D :D :D I know, as do you and everyone else, that Western culture is better in every way that Islamic culture. There is no contest. Western culture is simply better by any reckoning. Why don't you try running that by an Islamic person, see if they 'know' it too!

Pedophiles don't feel what they do is wrong.  Sometimes one thing is better than another

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 10:43am:

freediver wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 8:02pm: How far would you extend your silence? Would you still be telling us to mind our own business if they started methodically killing non-Muslims in an increasing number of countries? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion? Interesting question FD - by the way, how far would you extend your silence over the porkies and the "ban them, kill them, nuke them" attacks against muslims? If it led to killing of muslims in an increasing number of countries, would you continue grasping for endless diversions to avoid having to condemn them, or even address the issue at all? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion?

If I was John Smith, I'd complain about you unfairly bringing it up more often than pedophile priests, or Islamic terrorists, and suggest you mind your own business.

Whereas FD would continue to ignore the issue and find endless diversions to avoid having to address it.

GordyL wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 10:58pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 15th, 2016 at 10:50pm: Soren wrote on Feb 15th, 2016 at 10:46pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 2:11pm: Soren wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 12:55pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 9:11am: issuevoter wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 9:09am: This is another example of the sickness in Islam why? because they resist western traditions? Isn't that exactly what you are doing against Islam? You talk as if the two cultures were equal. you talk as if you think you are better.  :D :D :D I know, as do you and everyone else, that Western culture is better in every way that Islamic culture. There is no contest. Western culture is simply better by any reckoning. Why don't you try running that by an Islamic person, see if they 'know' it too! Pedophiles don't feel what they do is wrong.  Sometimes one thing is better than another

pedophillia is illegal, being a muslim isn't

freediver wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 4:34am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 15th, 2016 at 10:43am: freediver wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 8:02pm: How far would you extend your silence? Would you still be telling us to mind our own business if they started methodically killing non-Muslims in an increasing number of countries? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion? Interesting question FD - by the way, how far would you extend your silence over the porkies and the "ban them, kill them, nuke them" attacks against muslims? If it led to killing of muslims in an increasing number of countries, would you continue grasping for endless diversions to avoid having to condemn them, or even address the issue at all? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion? If I was John Smith, I'd complain about you unfairly bringing it up more often than pedophile priests, or Islamic terrorists, and suggest you mind your own business.

no, if you were john smith you'd stop pretending you had any motive other than your real motive

John Smith wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 7:29am:

GordyL wrote on Feb 15th, 2016 at 10:58pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 15th, 2016 at 10:50pm: Soren wrote on Feb 15th, 2016 at 10:46pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 2:11pm: Soren wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 12:55pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 9:11am: issuevoter wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 9:09am: This is another example of the sickness in Islam why? because they resist western traditions? Isn't that exactly what you are doing against Islam? You talk as if the two cultures were equal. you talk as if you think you are better.  :D :D :D I know, as do you and everyone else, that Western culture is better in every way that Islamic culture. There is no contest. Western culture is simply better by any reckoning. Why don't you try running that by an Islamic person, see if they 'know' it too! Pedophiles don't feel what they do is wrong.  Sometimes one thing is better than another pedophillia is illegal, being a muslim isn't

Well I was using it as an example to explain the perception of right and wrong.

I think the way western secular democracies is much more righter than Muslim theocracies. I think you may even be able to say the proof is in he pudding for this one, given western secular democracies give rise to more wealth, equity and freedom of expression, no?

GordyL wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 7:38am:

Well I was using it as an example to explain the perception of right and wrong.

perhaps you should have taken the opportunity to explain to Soren the difference between 'everyone else' and 'Islamaphobes'

John Smith wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 7:41am:

GordyL wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 7:38am: Well I was using it as an example to explain the perception of right and wrong. perhaps you should have taken the opportunity to explain to Soren the difference between 'everyone else' and 'Islamaphobes'

There are some practices in Islam that are universally regarded as abhorrent.

There are now some people who label anyone to criticises these practices as islamophobes.

In your opinion, where on the spectrum does someone become an islamophobes? In your mind do they become an islamophobes if they critique even one aspect of Islam?

GordyL wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 7:52am:

There are some practices in Islam that are universally regarded as abhorrent.

don't disagree ... but I could probably pick a few 'abhorrent' practices in any religion if I wanted too.

GordyL wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 7:52am:

In your mind do they become an islamophobes if they critique even one aspect of Islam?

Usually, for me, it's when someone blames all of Islam for the practices of a few.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 6:43am:

Whereas FD would continue to ignore the issue and find endless diversions to avoid having to address it.

Google: taqiyya.

GordyL wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 7:52am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 7:41am: GordyL wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 7:38am: Well I was using it as an example to explain the perception of right and wrong. perhaps you should have taken the opportunity to explain to Soren the difference between 'everyone else' and 'Islamaphobes' There are some practices in Islam that are universally regarded as abhorrent.

Except by Muslims.


Did you know that Muslims are not allowed to criticise Islam or other Muslims in front of the kuffar?

Totalitarian group think is the order of the day, every day. Just like in Nazism. Islam is a form of national (Arab) socialism. Islam is Arab Nazism. It's expansive, it tolerates no opposition, it has universal criticism, it is cruel, zealous and violent, it is against the Jews (innovative disruption par excellence), it has an ingroup and an outgroup, it is abut tribal allegiance rather than individual merit.  It has the costumes, the bombastic architecture, the suspicion of intellect, the relentless lying  propaganda ('religion of peace').

Islam is Nazi.

Soren wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 8:00pm:

GordyL wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 7:52am: John Smith wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 7:41am: GordyL wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 7:38am: Well I was using it as an example to explain the perception of right and wrong. perhaps you should have taken the opportunity to explain to Soren the difference between 'everyone else' and 'Islamaphobes' There are some practices in Islam that are universally regarded as abhorrent. Except by Muslims. Did you know that Muslims are not allowed to criticise Islam or other Muslims in front of the kuffar? Totalitarian group think is the order of the day, every day. Just like in Nazism. Islam is a form of national (Arab) socialism. Islam is Arab Nazism. It's expansive, it tolerates no opposition, it has universal criticism, it is cruel, zealous and violent, it is against the Jews (innovative disruption par excellence), it has an ingroup and an outgroup, it is abut tribal allegiance rather than individual merit.  It has the costumes, the bombastic architecture, the suspicion of intellect, the relentless lying  propaganda ('religion of peace'). Islam is Nazi.

You’ve been reading the Sufi texts again, old boy, we can tell. University of Balogney?

Karnal wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 8:29pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 8:00pm: GordyL wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 7:52am: John Smith wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 7:41am: GordyL wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 7:38am: Well I was using it as an example to explain the perception of right and wrong. perhaps you should have taken the opportunity to explain to Soren the difference between 'everyone else' and 'Islamaphobes' There are some practices in Islam that are universally regarded as abhorrent. Except by Muslims. Did you know that Muslims are not allowed to criticise Islam or other Muslims in front of the kuffar? Totalitarian group think is the order of the day, every day. Just like in Nazism. Islam is a form of national (Arab) socialism. Islam is Arab Nazism. It's expansive, it tolerates no opposition, it has universal criticism, it is cruel, zealous and violent, it is against the Jews (innovative disruption par excellence), it has an ingroup and an outgroup, it is abut tribal allegiance rather than individual merit.  It has the costumes, the bombastic architecture, the suspicion of intellect, the relentless lying  propaganda ('religion of peace'). Islam is Nazi. You’ve been reading the Sufi texts again, old boy, we can tell. University of Balogney?

. Who would know that you would try and make it out to be nonsense, however its true. Islam is  against democracy and democratic rights, freedom of speech is banned in Islam. These are facts.

John Smith wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 7:30am:

freediver wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 4:34am: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 15th, 2016 at 10:43am: freediver wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 8:02pm: How far would you extend your silence? Would you still be telling us to mind our own business if they started methodically killing non-Muslims in an increasing number of countries? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion? Interesting question FD - by the way, how far would you extend your silence over the porkies and the "ban them, kill them, nuke them" attacks against muslims? If it led to killing of muslims in an increasing number of countries, would you continue grasping for endless diversions to avoid having to condemn them, or even address the issue at all? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion? If I was John Smith, I'd complain about you unfairly bringing it up more often than pedophile priests, or Islamic terrorists, and suggest you mind your own business. no, if you were john smith you'd stop pretending you had any motive other than your real motive

What motive am I pretending to have John, and what is my real motive?

freediver wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 7:30am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 7:30am: freediver wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 4:34am: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 15th, 2016 at 10:43am: freediver wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 8:02pm: How far would you extend your silence? Would you still be telling us to mind our own business if they started methodically killing non-Muslims in an increasing number of countries? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion? Interesting question FD - by the way, how far would you extend your silence over the porkies and the "ban them, kill them, nuke them" attacks against muslims? If it led to killing of muslims in an increasing number of countries, would you continue grasping for endless diversions to avoid having to condemn them, or even address the issue at all? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion? If I was John Smith, I'd complain about you unfairly bringing it up more often than pedophile priests, or Islamic terrorists, and suggest you mind your own business. no, if you were john smith you'd stop pretending you had any motive other than your real motive What motive am I pretending to have John, and what is my real motive?

you're pretending to care about womens rights, your real motive is muslim bashing.

John Smith wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 7:32am:

freediver wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 7:30am: John Smith wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 7:30am: freediver wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 4:34am: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 15th, 2016 at 10:43am: freediver wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 8:02pm: How far would you extend your silence? Would you still be telling us to mind our own business if they started methodically killing non-Muslims in an increasing number of countries? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion? Interesting question FD - by the way, how far would you extend your silence over the porkies and the "ban them, kill them, nuke them" attacks against muslims? If it led to killing of muslims in an increasing number of countries, would you continue grasping for endless diversions to avoid having to condemn them, or even address the issue at all? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion? If I was John Smith, I'd complain about you unfairly bringing it up more often than pedophile priests, or Islamic terrorists, and suggest you mind your own business. no, if you were john smith you'd stop pretending you had any motive other than your real motive What motive am I pretending to have John, and what is my real motive? you're pretending to care about womens rights, your real motive is muslim bashing.

It's certainly true that homophobes, misogynists etc take shelter in Muslim bashing which is obviously a tad hypocritical. This is expected by such people.

But what I find worse are people with progressive views on women, lgbt etc who in fear of the slightest chance of being labelled a racists side with theocrats, Muslim theocrats who hold repugnant views on just about everything they believe in.

Bizarre world eh?

ian wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 11:14pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 8:29pm: Soren wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 8:00pm: GordyL wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 7:52am: John Smith wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 7:41am: GordyL wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 7:38am: Well I was using it as an example to explain the perception of right and wrong. perhaps you should have taken the opportunity to explain to Soren the difference between 'everyone else' and 'Islamaphobes' There are some practices in Islam that are universally regarded as abhorrent. Except by Muslims. Did you know that Muslims are not allowed to criticise Islam or other Muslims in front of the kuffar? Totalitarian group think is the order of the day, every day. Just like in Nazism. Islam is a form of national (Arab) socialism. Islam is Arab Nazism. It's expansive, it tolerates no opposition, it has universal criticism, it is cruel, zealous and violent, it is against the Jews (innovative disruption par excellence), it has an ingroup and an outgroup, it is abut tribal allegiance rather than individual merit.  It has the costumes, the bombastic architecture, the suspicion of intellect, the relentless lying  propaganda ('religion of peace'). Islam is Nazi. You’ve been reading the Sufi texts again, old boy, we can tell. University of Balogney? . Who would know that you would try and make it out to be nonsense, however its true. Islam is  against democracy and democratic rights, freedom of speech is banned in Islam. These are facts.

Of course they're not facts. No one has been able to convince me of this for the past 7 years, and I'm easy.

I believe everything I read.

GordyL wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 7:46am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 7:32am: freediver wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 7:30am: John Smith wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 7:30am: freediver wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 4:34am: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 15th, 2016 at 10:43am: freediver wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 8:02pm: How far would you extend your silence? Would you still be telling us to mind our own business if they started methodically killing non-Muslims in an increasing number of countries? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion? Interesting question FD - by the way, how far would you extend your silence over the porkies and the "ban them, kill them, nuke them" attacks against muslims? If it led to killing of muslims in an increasing number of countries, would you continue grasping for endless diversions to avoid having to condemn them, or even address the issue at all? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion? If I was John Smith, I'd complain about you unfairly bringing it up more often than pedophile priests, or Islamic terrorists, and suggest you mind your own business. no, if you were john smith you'd stop pretending you had any motive other than your real motive What motive am I pretending to have John, and what is my real motive? you're pretending to care about womens rights, your real motive is muslim bashing. It's certainly true that homophobes, misogynists etc take shelter in Muslim bashing which is obviously a tad hypocritical.

Homosexuals and the LGBT community like to promote the idea that they have cause, for a natural alliance with the the moslem community,        ....coz clearly the moslem community are just another minority, who are suffering from the prejudices of the majority, just like themselves.......

And the moslem community are happy to foster that idea.    

The idea that as a minority group, homosexuals and LGBT have a natural alliance and affinity with the the moslem community.

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http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2013/05/26/1226650/626045-grand-mufti-ibrahim-abu-mohamed.jpg

Australian Grand Mufti Dr Ibrahim Abu Mohammed


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-10/muslim-village-media-slams-abbotts-islam-hate-speech/7018264

Quote:

Australia's Grand Mufti Ibrahim Abu Mohammad has taken issue with Mr Abbott's call for a reformation within Islam. "Islam is not in any need of reformation since... the normative principles and practices of the religion [ISLAM!] allow Muslims to harmoniously coexist within pluralist societies that are based on the universal values of compassion and justice," he said.

COMMENT by Yadda;
All moslems are filthy stinking liars!!!





QUESTION;
In places where secularism and pluralism is NOT PROTECTED IN LAW, and in places where there is NOT PROTECTION IN LAW for homosexuals and the LGBT community,
.....in those places, how does ISLAM, and how do moslems, culturally, and lawfully, behave towards homosexuals and the LGBT community ?


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In places where 'the moslem' has no authority in making laws, 'the moslem' will often PRETEND to be a tolerant person, but;


All moslems are filthy stinking liars!!!
[....because,      .....moslems either, misrepresent ISLAM to those who are not moslems,
OR,
moslems will always refuse to acknowledge what is true, about ISLAM]


THE TRUTH;
Moslems are not tolerant people.

The moslem is not permitted by his religion, to be tolerant of people who are not moslems.

That fact, is an article of faith, for every moslem.



Do some Googling;

"Malaysia's Prime Minister: LGBTs, liberalism, and pluralism are enemies of Islam"

"Last Malaysian Hindu temple in central Kuala Lumpur condemned, given five days to vacate"

"Malaysian temple condemned, temple staff and devotees given 15 minutes to leave"

"Malaysian government views LGBT community as a 'spreading problem' to be stopped"

"Malaysian deputy prime minister: Islam not compatible with freedom, liberal thought"

"Yet another Malaysian non-Muslim house of worship demolished"

"Malaysian state holding seminar on "threat of Christianity" "

"A message from Malaysia's king: "Muslims need to emulate Prophet Muhammad" "



Checkout news reports from secular, liberal, democratic, Indonesia, the 'crucial US ally'.....

http://www.jihadwatch.org/category/indonesia




And checkout news reports from secular, liberal, democratic, Malaysia, 'the partner of the West'.....

http://www.jihadwatch.org/category/Malaysia





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GordyL wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 7:46am:

Bizarre world eh?

Yeah, there are a lot of deeply deluded people, who hate truth,        .....out there!

And you are one of them.

John Smith wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 7:32am:

freediver wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 7:30am: John Smith wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 7:30am: freediver wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 4:34am: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 15th, 2016 at 10:43am: freediver wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 8:02pm: How far would you extend your silence? Would you still be telling us to mind our own business if they started methodically killing non-Muslims in an increasing number of countries? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion? Interesting question FD - by the way, how far would you extend your silence over the porkies and the "ban them, kill them, nuke them" attacks against muslims? If it led to killing of muslims in an increasing number of countries, would you continue grasping for endless diversions to avoid having to condemn them, or even address the issue at all? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion? If I was John Smith, I'd complain about you unfairly bringing it up more often than pedophile priests, or Islamic terrorists, and suggest you mind your own business. no, if you were john smith you'd stop pretending you had any motive other than your real motive What motive am I pretending to have John, and what is my real motive? you're pretending to care about womens rights, your real motive is muslim bashing.

So how do you explain my support for the rights of Muslim women?

GordyL wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 7:46am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 7:32am: freediver wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 7:30am: John Smith wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 7:30am: freediver wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 4:34am: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 15th, 2016 at 10:43am: freediver wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 8:02pm: How far would you extend your silence? Would you still be telling us to mind our own business if they started methodically killing non-Muslims in an increasing number of countries? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion? Interesting question FD - by the way, how far would you extend your silence over the porkies and the "ban them, kill them, nuke them" attacks against muslims? If it led to killing of muslims in an increasing number of countries, would you continue grasping for endless diversions to avoid having to condemn them, or even address the issue at all? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion? If I was John Smith, I'd complain about you unfairly bringing it up more often than pedophile priests, or Islamic terrorists, and suggest you mind your own business. no, if you were john smith you'd stop pretending you had any motive other than your real motive What motive am I pretending to have John, and what is my real motive? you're pretending to care about womens rights, your real motive is muslim bashing. It's certainly true that homophobes, misogynists etc take shelter in Muslim bashing which is obviously a tad hypocritical. This is expected by such people. But what I find worse are people with progressive views on women, lgbt etc who in fear of the slightest chance of being labelled a racists side with theocrats, Muslim theocrats who hold repugnant views on just about everything they believe in. Bizarre world eh?

I generally agree, if they restrict themselves to criticising a particular incident or person/s. But if the only time someone makes a comment is to make a derogatory or negative comment about a particular race or religion, then it's pretty obvious that they are racists etc. My views do not change how your views are seen, even if my views may be flawed. 

freediver wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 11:46am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 7:32am: freediver wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 7:30am: John Smith wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 7:30am: freediver wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 4:34am: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 15th, 2016 at 10:43am: freediver wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 8:02pm: How far would you extend your silence? Would you still be telling us to mind our own business if they started methodically killing non-Muslims in an increasing number of countries? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion? Interesting question FD - by the way, how far would you extend your silence over the porkies and the "ban them, kill them, nuke them" attacks against muslims? If it led to killing of muslims in an increasing number of countries, would you continue grasping for endless diversions to avoid having to condemn them, or even address the issue at all? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion? If I was John Smith, I'd complain about you unfairly bringing it up more often than pedophile priests, or Islamic terrorists, and suggest you mind your own business. no, if you were john smith you'd stop pretending you had any motive other than your real motive What motive am I pretending to have John, and what is my real motive? you're pretending to care about womens rights, your real motive is muslim bashing. So how do you explain my support for the rights of Muslim women?

'I thought we covered that ? .... it's a handy excuse for you to criticse Muslims in general.

freediver wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 11:46am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 7:32am: freediver wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 7:30am: John Smith wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 7:30am: freediver wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 4:34am: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 15th, 2016 at 10:43am: freediver wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 8:02pm: How far would you extend your silence? Would you still be telling us to mind our own business if they started methodically killing non-Muslims in an increasing number of countries? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion? Interesting question FD - by the way, how far would you extend your silence over the porkies and the "ban them, kill them, nuke them" attacks against muslims? If it led to killing of muslims in an increasing number of countries, would you continue grasping for endless diversions to avoid having to condemn them, or even address the issue at all? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion? If I was John Smith, I'd complain about you unfairly bringing it up more often than pedophile priests, or Islamic terrorists, and suggest you mind your own business. no, if you were john smith you'd stop pretending you had any motive other than your real motive What motive am I pretending to have John, and what is my real motive? you're pretending to care about womens rights, your real motive is muslim bashing. So how do you explain my support for the rights of Muslim women?

Sometimes a question is just a question.

Yadda wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 10:12am:

Homosexuals and the LGBT community like to promote the idea that they have cause, for a natural alliance with the the moslem community,

bullsh1t ... thats just your flawed thinking, and not representative of the LGBT communities real motives

most times they promote the cause of equality, even for Muslims, DESPITE the fact that some MUSLIMS don't believe the same should apply to LGBT, simply because they believe in EQUALITY for all. It has nothing to do with any alliance.

John Smith wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 12:17pm:

GordyL wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 7:46am: John Smith wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 7:32am: freediver wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 7:30am: John Smith wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 7:30am: freediver wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 4:34am: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 15th, 2016 at 10:43am: freediver wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 8:02pm: How far would you extend your silence? Would you still be telling us to mind our own business if they started methodically killing non-Muslims in an increasing number of countries? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion? Interesting question FD - by the way, how far would you extend your silence over the porkies and the "ban them, kill them, nuke them" attacks against muslims? If it led to killing of muslims in an increasing number of countries, would you continue grasping for endless diversions to avoid having to condemn them, or even address the issue at all? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion? If I was John Smith, I'd complain about you unfairly bringing it up more often than pedophile priests, or Islamic terrorists, and suggest you mind your own business. no, if you were john smith you'd stop pretending you had any motive other than your real motive What motive am I pretending to have John, and what is my real motive? you're pretending to care about womens rights, your real motive is muslim bashing. It's certainly true that homophobes, misogynists etc take shelter in Muslim bashing which is obviously a tad hypocritical. This is expected by such people. But what I find worse are people with progressive views on women, lgbt etc who in fear of the slightest chance of being labelled a racists side with theocrats, Muslim theocrats who hold repugnant views on just about everything they believe in. Bizarre world eh? I generally agree, if they restrict themselves to criticising a particular incident or person/s. But if the only time someone makes a comment is to make a derogatory or negative comment about a particular race or religion, then it's pretty obvious that they are racists etc.

Yes, JS, but FD's not racist.

He just asks questions.

Karnal wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 12:23pm:

Yes, JS, but FD's not racist. He just asks questions.

I know, he's a humanitarian at heart who's sole concern is women's rights

John Smith wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 12:22pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 10:12am: Homosexuals and the LGBT community like to promote the idea that they have cause, for a natural alliance with the the moslem community, bullsh1t ... thats just your flawed thinking, and not representative of the LGBT communities real motives most times they promote the cause of equality, even for Muslims, DESPITE the fact that some MUSLIMS don't believe the same should apply to LGBT, simply because they believe in EQUALITY for all. It has nothing to do with any alliance.

True, JS, but there's an easy response to that.


Quote:

COMMENT by Yadda; All moslems are filthy stinking liars!!!

John Smith wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 12:25pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 12:23pm: Yes, JS, but FD's not racist. He just asks questions. I know, he's a humanitarian at heart who's sole concern is women's rights

That, as FD says, and the Freeeeeedoms of decent white people everywhere. The Muslims, you see, are trying to take away our Freeeeeeedom to oppress the bastards.

FD didn't say the last part, he just agreed with it.

John Smith wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 12:17pm:

GordyL wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 7:46am: John Smith wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 7:32am: freediver wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 7:30am: John Smith wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 7:30am: freediver wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 4:34am: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 15th, 2016 at 10:43am: freediver wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 8:02pm: How far would you extend your silence? Would you still be telling us to mind our own business if they started methodically killing non-Muslims in an increasing number of countries? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion? Interesting question FD - by the way, how far would you extend your silence over the porkies and the "ban them, kill them, nuke them" attacks against muslims? If it led to killing of muslims in an increasing number of countries, would you continue grasping for endless diversions to avoid having to condemn them, or even address the issue at all? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion? If I was John Smith, I'd complain about you unfairly bringing it up more often than pedophile priests, or Islamic terrorists, and suggest you mind your own business. no, if you were john smith you'd stop pretending you had any motive other than your real motive What motive am I pretending to have John, and what is my real motive? you're pretending to care about womens rights, your real motive is muslim bashing. It's certainly true that homophobes, misogynists etc take shelter in Muslim bashing which is obviously a tad hypocritical. This is expected by such people. But what I find worse are people with progressive views on women, lgbt etc who in fear of the slightest chance of being labelled a racists side with theocrats, Muslim theocrats who hold repugnant views on just about everything they believe in. Bizarre world eh? I generally agree, if they restrict themselves to criticising a particular incident or person/s. But if the only time someone makes a comment is to make a derogatory or negative comment about a particular race or religion, then it's pretty obvious that they are racists etc. My views do not change how your views are seen, even if my views may be flawed.

My problem is with their system because that's what creates the actions of the individuals. I've seen some absolute pearlers of examples where Muslims who pass themselves off as having modern values drop comments like 'we know exactly what to do with fags in Iran'.

GordyL wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 12:32pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 12:17pm: GordyL wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 7:46am: John Smith wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 7:32am: freediver wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 7:30am: John Smith wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 7:30am: freediver wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 4:34am: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 15th, 2016 at 10:43am: freediver wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 8:02pm: How far would you extend your silence? Would you still be telling us to mind our own business if they started methodically killing non-Muslims in an increasing number of countries? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion? Interesting question FD - by the way, how far would you extend your silence over the porkies and the "ban them, kill them, nuke them" attacks against muslims? If it led to killing of muslims in an increasing number of countries, would you continue grasping for endless diversions to avoid having to condemn them, or even address the issue at all? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion? If I was John Smith, I'd complain about you unfairly bringing it up more often than pedophile priests, or Islamic terrorists, and suggest you mind your own business. no, if you were john smith you'd stop pretending you had any motive other than your real motive What motive am I pretending to have John, and what is my real motive? you're pretending to care about womens rights, your real motive is muslim bashing. It's certainly true that homophobes, misogynists etc take shelter in Muslim bashing which is obviously a tad hypocritical. This is expected by such people. But what I find worse are people with progressive views on women, lgbt etc who in fear of the slightest chance of being labelled a racists side with theocrats, Muslim theocrats who hold repugnant views on just about everything they believe in. Bizarre world eh? I generally agree, if they restrict themselves to criticising a particular incident or person/s. But if the only time someone makes a comment is to make a derogatory or negative comment about a particular race or religion, then it's pretty obvious that they are racists etc. My views do not change how your views are seen, even if my views may be flawed.  My problem is with their system because that's what creates the actions of the individuals. I've seen some absolute pearlers of examples where Muslims who pass themselves off as having modern values drop comments like 'we know exactly what to do with fags in Iran'.

Who dropped that pearler, Gordy?

I'm curious.

GordyL wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 12:32pm:

I've seen some absolute pearlers of examples where Muslims who pass themselves off as having modern values drop comments like 'we know exactly what to do with fags in Iran'.

I recall my grandfather saying almost exactly the same thing word for word (except the Iran part) many times when I was younger .... and neither he nor I am Muslim.

Karnal wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 12:35pm:

GordyL wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 12:32pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 12:17pm: GordyL wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 7:46am: John Smith wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 7:32am: freediver wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 7:30am: John Smith wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 7:30am: freediver wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 4:34am: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 15th, 2016 at 10:43am: freediver wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 8:02pm: How far would you extend your silence? Would you still be telling us to mind our own business if they started methodically killing non-Muslims in an increasing number of countries? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion? Interesting question FD - by the way, how far would you extend your silence over the porkies and the "ban them, kill them, nuke them" attacks against muslims? If it led to killing of muslims in an increasing number of countries, would you continue grasping for endless diversions to avoid having to condemn them, or even address the issue at all? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion? If I was John Smith, I'd complain about you unfairly bringing it up more often than pedophile priests, or Islamic terrorists, and suggest you mind your own business. no, if you were john smith you'd stop pretending you had any motive other than your real motive What motive am I pretending to have John, and what is my real motive? you're pretending to care about womens rights, your real motive is muslim bashing. It's certainly true that homophobes, misogynists etc take shelter in Muslim bashing which is obviously a tad hypocritical. This is expected by such people. But what I find worse are people with progressive views on women, lgbt etc who in fear of the slightest chance of being labelled a racists side with theocrats, Muslim theocrats who hold repugnant views on just about everything they believe in. Bizarre world eh? I generally agree, if they restrict themselves to criticising a particular incident or person/s. But if the only time someone makes a comment is to make a derogatory or negative comment about a particular race or religion, then it's pretty obvious that they are racists etc. My views do not change how your views are seen, even if my views may be flawed.  My problem is with their system because that's what creates the actions of the individuals. I've seen some absolute pearlers of examples where Muslims who pass themselves off as having modern values drop comments like 'we know exactly what to do with fags in Iran'. Who dropped that pearler, Gordy? I'm curious.

A mate of mine is a music teacher, it was one of his students, an Iranian guy on a student visa.

He (Iranian guy) worked in a cafe near the beach and we spotted him walking to work just after we'd been for a swim. We were having a chat, and it was around Mardi Gras time and a couple of big gay bears walked past.

I wonder how he'd feel if he knew his favourite guitar teacher was a bisexual Jew.

I'd honestly say this Iranian guy was moderate...for an Iranian but there are some things he just can't unlearn.

John Smith wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 12:40pm:

GordyL wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 12:32pm: I've seen some absolute pearlers of examples where Muslims who pass themselves off as having modern values drop comments like 'we know exactly what to do with fags in Iran'. I recall my grandfather saying almost exactly the same thing word for word (except the Iran part) many times when I was younger .... and neither he nor I am Muslim.

But when did we hang gays from cranes in the public square, John?

GordyL wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 12:42pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 12:40pm: GordyL wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 12:32pm: I've seen some absolute pearlers of examples where Muslims who pass themselves off as having modern values drop comments like 'we know exactly what to do with fags in Iran'. I recall my grandfather saying almost exactly the same thing word for word (except the Iran part) many times when I was younger .... and neither he nor I am Muslim. But when did we hang gays from cranes in the public square, John?

are we doing it now?

John Smith wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 12:43pm:

GordyL wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 12:42pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 12:40pm: GordyL wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 12:32pm: I've seen some absolute pearlers of examples where Muslims who pass themselves off as having modern values drop comments like 'we know exactly what to do with fags in Iran'. I recall my grandfather saying almost exactly the same thing word for word (except the Iran part) many times when I was younger .... and neither he nor I am Muslim. But when did we hang gays from cranes in the public square, John? are we doing it now?

I assume your grandfather said he'd like to see gays hung. My point is lots of people probably said that, but we didn't actually hang gays from cranes, unlike in Iran.

John Smith wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 12:43pm:

GordyL wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 12:42pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 12:40pm: GordyL wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 12:32pm: I've seen some absolute pearlers of examples where Muslims who pass themselves off as having modern values drop comments like 'we know exactly what to do with fags in Iran'. I recall my grandfather saying almost exactly the same thing word for word (except the Iran part) many times when I was younger .... and neither he nor I am Muslim. But when did we hang gays from cranes in the public square, John? are we doing it now?

nope.

GordyL wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 12:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 12:43pm: GordyL wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 12:42pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 12:40pm: GordyL wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 12:32pm: I've seen some absolute pearlers of examples where Muslims who pass themselves off as having modern values drop comments like 'we know exactly what to do with fags in Iran'. I recall my grandfather saying almost exactly the same thing word for word (except the Iran part) many times when I was younger .... and neither he nor I am Muslim. But when did we hang gays from cranes in the public square, John? are we doing it now? I assume your grandfather said he'd like to see gays hung. My point is lots of people probably said that, but we didn't actually hang gays from cranes, unlike in Iran.

true, but for those instances where no crane is available, we had other methods

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/sydney-shame

http://76crimes.com/100s-die-in-homophobic-anti-gay-attacks-statistics-updates/

GordyL wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 12:41pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 12:35pm: GordyL wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 12:32pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 12:17pm: GordyL wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 7:46am: John Smith wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 7:32am: freediver wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 7:30am: John Smith wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 7:30am: freediver wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 4:34am: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 15th, 2016 at 10:43am: freediver wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 8:02pm: How far would you extend your silence? Would you still be telling us to mind our own business if they started methodically killing non-Muslims in an increasing number of countries? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion? Interesting question FD - by the way, how far would you extend your silence over the porkies and the "ban them, kill them, nuke them" attacks against muslims? If it led to killing of muslims in an increasing number of countries, would you continue grasping for endless diversions to avoid having to condemn them, or even address the issue at all? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion? If I was John Smith, I'd complain about you unfairly bringing it up more often than pedophile priests, or Islamic terrorists, and suggest you mind your own business. no, if you were john smith you'd stop pretending you had any motive other than your real motive What motive am I pretending to have John, and what is my real motive? you're pretending to care about womens rights, your real motive is muslim bashing. It's certainly true that homophobes, misogynists etc take shelter in Muslim bashing which is obviously a tad hypocritical. This is expected by such people. But what I find worse are people with progressive views on women, lgbt etc who in fear of the slightest chance of being labelled a racists side with theocrats, Muslim theocrats who hold repugnant views on just about everything they believe in. Bizarre world eh? I generally agree, if they restrict themselves to criticising a particular incident or person/s. But if the only time someone makes a comment is to make a derogatory or negative comment about a particular race or religion, then it's pretty obvious that they are racists etc. My views do not change how your views are seen, even if my views may be flawed.  My problem is with their system because that's what creates the actions of the individuals. I've seen some absolute pearlers of examples where Muslims who pass themselves off as having modern values drop comments like 'we know exactly what to do with fags in Iran'. Who dropped that pearler, Gordy? I'm curious. A mate of mine is a music teacher, it was one of his students, an Iranian guy on a student visa. He (Iranian guy) worked in a cafe near the beach and we spotted him walking to work just after we'd been for a swim. We were having a chat, and it was around Mardi Gras time and a couple of big gay bears walked past. I wonder how he'd feel if he knew his favourite guitar teacher was a bisexual Jew. I'd honestly say this Iranian guy was moderate...for an Iranian but there are some things he just can't unlearn.

Thanks, Gordy.

You see, Homo? Details. This is how we know it's a true story.

Karnal wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 12:26pm:

True, JS, but there's an easy response to that. Quote: COMMENT by Yadda; All moslems are filthy stinking liars!!!

Thank you for that Karnal.

I know that you would not argue with that proposition.

And, i know that you simply state it again, as an attempted rebuke.


BUT IT IS 'LIKE WATER OFF A DUCK's BACK'.



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ALL MOSLEMS INTENTIONALLY LIE ABOUT, OR MISREPRESENT, THEIR 'FAITH'...
EXAMPLE #1;


Following the slaughter of Drummer Lee Rigby in 2013, on an English street,         ...a public statement was made by, The muslim council of Britain - the umbrella organisation representing all British muslims.

And that statement was published on The muslim council of Britain website.


Quote:

Rejecting Terror Thursday, 11 April 2013 Muslims everywhere consider all acts of terrorism that aims to murder and maim innocent human beings utterly reprehensible and abhorrent. There is no theological basis whatsoever for such acts in our faith. The very meaning of the word 'Islam' is peace. It [ISLAM] rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony.

http://www.mcb.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2307:mcbnewstemplate&catid=82:mcb-news

http://www.mcb.org.uk/article_detail.php?article=announcement-656

dead links ?            those statements were posted on, The muslim council of Britain, website, in just 2013.
but now those links are dead ?
but why could that be ???




"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4



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"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111




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ALL MOSLEMS INTENTIONALLY LIE ABOUT, OR MISREPRESENT, THEIR 'FAITH'...
EXAMPLE #2;


IMAGE.....
http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2013/05/26/1226650/626045-grand-mufti-ibrahim-abu-mohamed.jpg

Australian Grand Mufti Dr Ibrahim Abu Mohammed


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-10/muslim-village-media-slams-abbotts-islam-hate-speech/7018264

Quote:

Australia's Grand Mufti Ibrahim Abu Mohammad has taken issue with Mr Abbott's call for a reformation within Islam. "Islam is not in any need of reformation since... .....the normative principles and practices of the religion [i.e. ISLAM] allow Muslims to harmoniously coexist within pluralist societies that are based on the universal values of compassion and justice," he said.

COMMENT by Yadda;
All moslems are filthy stinking liars!!!





The Koran, ISLAM's 'holy' book, is an instruction manual of religious hatred,         ....it is a religious instruction manual, which promotes the 'righteous' hatred and murder, of persons who are not moslems [...and who reject ISLAM].

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"Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred...."
Koran 58.22


"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers."
Koran 9.23


"Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them."
Koran 3.28


"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends (or protectors),- offering them (your) love,..."
Koran 60.1

John Smith wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 12:17pm:

GordyL wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 7:46am: .....homophobes, misogynists etc take shelter in Muslim bashing which is obviously a tad hypocritical. This is expected by such people. But what I find worse are people with progressive views on women, lgbt etc who in fear of the slightest chance of being labelled a racists side with theocrats, Muslim theocrats who hold repugnant views on just about everything they believe in. Bizarre world eh? I generally agree, if they restrict themselves to criticising a particular incident or person/s. But if the only time someone makes a comment is to make a derogatory or negative comment about a particular race or religion, then it's pretty obvious that they are racists etc. My views do not change how your views are seen, even if my views may be flawed.

John Smith,

You present yourself here as a virtuous and tolerant person.

But it does seem that you are a person who cannot abide truth, whenever truth contradicts your own opinion or worldview.

???


John Smith,

A person who will not abide truth, cannot claim to be a virtuous and tolerant person,        .....imo.



I am critical of ISLAM [and its adherents] because the tenets and laws of ISLAM promote the idea that it is not unlawful for a moslem, to kill anyone who rejects ISLAM.

That is my fault!

That i am critical of ISLAM.



And i am no racist.


QUESTION;
Are you going to insist that i am a 'racist',     .....for my criticism of what ISLAM is, and, for my criticism of what the tenets and laws of ISLAM promote ???




John Smith,

'What about the innocent moslems, which you castigate ???'
....i can hear you ask/complain!




John Smith,

It is ISLAM which defines who is a moslem, and who is not a moslem.

And ISLAMIC religious texts plainly declare, that those who contradict and ignore the tenets and laws of ISLAM [though they may claim to be moslems], they are infidels [i.e. NOT moslems].

n.b.
That is not what i say.

That is what ISLAM and ISLAMIC law, dictates.



The undeniable conclusion which we must come to, is that;

Everyone who insists that he/she is a moslem,     ....is cognisant of, and is in full agreement with, what the tenets and laws of ISLAM promote.





ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."




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And the 'sanction' for abandoning ISLAM and its dictates, is to be put to death.

That is not what i say.

That is what ISLAM and ISLAMIC religious texts dictate.


THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260



John Smith,

I claim the right [by virtue of living in a society where it is still legal to be critical of those who promote a criminal intent],        .....to criticise ISLAM.

And i criticise ISLAM, because the tenets and laws of ISLAM plainly promote the idea [within the moslem religious community], that if a moslem kills a person, or persons, who reject ISLAM, then that moslem has done nothing wrong,        ....and nothing unlawful, as far as ISLAM is concerned.


QUESTION;
Are you going to insist that i am a 'racist',     .....for my criticism of what ISLAM is, and for my criticism of what the tenets and laws of ISLAM promote ???




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Spokesmen for ISLAM will tell anyone who will listen;

THAT IT IS WRONG, AND THAT IT IS TOTALLY AGAINST ISLAMIC LAW,      TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.



Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;


Quote:

YT KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE "...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems." "....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God." "...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God." "...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM." "...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does." "...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]" "...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

Quote:

John Smith, You present yourself here as a virtuous and tolerant person. But it does seem that you are a person who cannot abide truth, whenever truth contradicts your own opinion or worldview.

There you go, JS. I did warn you.

Yadda wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

John Smith, You present yourself here as a virtuous and tolerant person.

not at all ...  however, I am honest about what I am.

Yadda wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

But it does seem that you are a person who cannot abide truth, whenever truth contradicts your own opinion or worldview.

you could of course try to prove that claim by posting up some truths, but I'm betting that is beyond you

Karnal wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 3:27pm:

There you go, JS. I did warn you.

what can I say ... I'm a scorpio  :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 3:58pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 3:27pm: There you go, JS. I did warn you. what can I say ... I'm a scorpio  :D :D :D

I'm a Virgo.

Miam miam.

John Smith wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 12:18pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 11:46am: John Smith wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 7:32am: freediver wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 7:30am: John Smith wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 7:30am: freediver wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 4:34am: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 15th, 2016 at 10:43am: freediver wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 8:02pm: How far would you extend your silence? Would you still be telling us to mind our own business if they started methodically killing non-Muslims in an increasing number of countries? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion? Interesting question FD - by the way, how far would you extend your silence over the porkies and the "ban them, kill them, nuke them" attacks against muslims? If it led to killing of muslims in an increasing number of countries, would you continue grasping for endless diversions to avoid having to condemn them, or even address the issue at all? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion? If I was John Smith, I'd complain about you unfairly bringing it up more often than pedophile priests, or Islamic terrorists, and suggest you mind your own business. no, if you were john smith you'd stop pretending you had any motive other than your real motive What motive am I pretending to have John, and what is my real motive? you're pretending to care about womens rights, your real motive is muslim bashing. So how do you explain my support for the rights of Muslim women? 'I thought we covered that ? .... it's a handy excuse for you to criticse Muslims in general.

So basically you are so desperate to deligitimise criticism of Islam that you paint yourself as knowing more about my opinion than I do? How exactly is standing up for the rights of Muslim women an excuse to criticise Muslims in general? If it wasn't for your idiotic attempts to tell me what I think, I would not have any need to link the two.

John Smith wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 1:26pm:

GordyL wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 12:46pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 12:43pm: GordyL wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 12:42pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 12:40pm: GordyL wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 12:32pm: I've seen some absolute pearlers of examples where Muslims who pass themselves off as having modern values drop comments like 'we know exactly what to do with fags in Iran'. I recall my grandfather saying almost exactly the same thing word for word (except the Iran part) many times when I was younger .... and neither he nor I am Muslim. But when did we hang gays from cranes in the public square, John? are we doing it now? I assume your grandfather said he'd like to see gays hung. My point is lots of people probably said that, but we didn't actually hang gays from cranes, unlike in Iran. true, but for those instances where no crane is available, we had other methods http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/sydney-shame http://76crimes.com/100s-die-in-homophobic-anti-gay-attacks-statistics-updates/

One is intendant criminals and the other is state sanctioned by a theocratic Govt done openly in the town square.

One country now has one of the biggest homo parades in the world.

Are you not proud of Australia for that?

Quote:

I generally agree, if they restrict themselves to criticising a particular incident or person/s. But if the only time someone makes a comment is to make a derogatory or negative comment about a particular race or religion, then it's pretty obvious that they are racists etc. My views do not change how your views are seen, even if my views may be flawed.

John has it occurred to you that people might have a legitimate criticism about the religion itself rather than specific Muslims or actions by Muslims?

Why are you so keen to dictate to others what a valid opinion is?

John Smith wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 12:17pm:

GordyL wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 7:46am: John Smith wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 7:32am: freediver wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 7:30am: John Smith wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 7:30am: freediver wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 4:34am: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 15th, 2016 at 10:43am: freediver wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 8:02pm: How far would you extend your silence? Would you still be telling us to mind our own business if they started methodically killing non-Muslims in an increasing number of countries? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion? Interesting question FD - by the way, how far would you extend your silence over the porkies and the "ban them, kill them, nuke them" attacks against muslims? If it led to killing of muslims in an increasing number of countries, would you continue grasping for endless diversions to avoid having to condemn them, or even address the issue at all? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion? If I was John Smith, I'd complain about you unfairly bringing it up more often than pedophile priests, or Islamic terrorists, and suggest you mind your own business. no, if you were john smith you'd stop pretending you had any motive other than your real motive What motive am I pretending to have John, and what is my real motive? you're pretending to care about womens rights, your real motive is muslim bashing. It's certainly true that homophobes, misogynists etc take shelter in Muslim bashing which is obviously a tad hypocritical. This is expected by such people. But what I find worse are people with progressive views on women, lgbt etc who in fear of the slightest chance of being labelled a racists side with theocrats, Muslim theocrats who hold repugnant views on just about everything they believe in. Bizarre world eh? I generally agree, if they restrict themselves to criticising a particular incident or person/s. But if the only time someone makes a comment is to make a derogatory or negative comment about a particular race or religion, then it's pretty obvious that they are racists etc. My views do not change how your views are seen, even if my views may be flawed.

As FD said above, I'm looking at the big picture. You can point out incident after incident but it's Islam and ME culture that has the systemic problems.

GordyL wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 7:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 12:17pm: GordyL wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 7:46am: John Smith wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 7:32am: freediver wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 7:30am: John Smith wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 7:30am: freediver wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 4:34am: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 15th, 2016 at 10:43am: freediver wrote on Feb 14th, 2016 at 8:02pm: How far would you extend your silence? Would you still be telling us to mind our own business if they started methodically killing non-Muslims in an increasing number of countries? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion? Interesting question FD - by the way, how far would you extend your silence over the porkies and the "ban them, kill them, nuke them" attacks against muslims? If it led to killing of muslims in an increasing number of countries, would you continue grasping for endless diversions to avoid having to condemn them, or even address the issue at all? Or would common sense violate your carefully constructed moral cushion? If I was John Smith, I'd complain about you unfairly bringing it up more often than pedophile priests, or Islamic terrorists, and suggest you mind your own business. no, if you were john smith you'd stop pretending you had any motive other than your real motive What motive am I pretending to have John, and what is my real motive? you're pretending to care about womens rights, your real motive is muslim bashing. It's certainly true that homophobes, misogynists etc take shelter in Muslim bashing which is obviously a tad hypocritical. This is expected by such people. But what I find worse are people with progressive views on women, lgbt etc who in fear of the slightest chance of being labelled a racists side with theocrats, Muslim theocrats who hold repugnant views on just about everything they believe in. Bizarre world eh? I generally agree, if they restrict themselves to criticising a particular incident or person/s. But if the only time someone makes a comment is to make a derogatory or negative comment about a particular race or religion, then it's pretty obvious that they are racists etc. My views do not change how your views are seen, even if my views may be flawed.  As FD said above, I'm looking at the big picture. You can point out incident after incident but it's Islam and ME culture that has the systemic problems.

I think you’ll find FD makes up his own picture. He’s quite artistic that way.

Check.out his post above. Here he paints a self portrait: FD as a tireless advocate of Muslim women’s rights.

It’s quite representational (and a little didactic for my tastes). But you must admit, it’s really quite brave.

It’s a postmodern.piece. Who, after all, could possibly take it seriously?

Should I have thrown in a few poo jokes Karnal?

freediver wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 8:50pm:

Should I have thrown in a few poo jokes Karnal?

Only if you want to appeal to the old boy market, FD. JS seems the type to respond more positively to your id iot post above.

I must say, it’s good to see you referencing Longy in your work. It’s an acquired taste, I know, but one JS will warm to, shurely.

John Smith wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 3:58pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 3:03pm: But it does seem that you are a person who cannot abide truth, whenever truth contradicts your own opinion or worldview. you could of course try to prove that claim by posting up some truths, but I'm betting that is beyond you

John Smith,

Well, lets explore the nature of truth.


John Smith wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 12:17pm:

.....if the only time someone makes a comment is to make a derogatory or negative comment about a particular race or religion, then it's pretty obvious that they are racists etc.

i.e.
What you are proposing,         ....is that nobody, can consistently and repeatedly "make a derogatory or negative comment about a particular race or religion", because if they do, "then it's pretty obvious that they are racists".



John Smith,

That is not a proposition which is based in truth.        [i.e. not, when it is applied to criticism of a particular religion]


TRUTH;
And, i have explained why i criticise ISLAM and ISLAM's adherents.


It isn't because moslems can be categorised as being of a particular racial group.

It is absurd in the extreme, to claim that 'moslems' can be categorised as being members of a particular racial group.



And, as i have said above, i have explained why i do criticise ISLAM and ISLAM's adherents.

And the reason, isn't because i am a 'racist'.




Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1455373840/91#91

Quote:

I am critical of ISLAM [and its adherents] because the tenets and laws of ISLAM promote the idea that it is not unlawful for a moslem, to kill anyone who rejects ISLAM.

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John Smith,

You are an intolerant bigot,       imo.

Let me explain myself.......

IMO, you are appear to be offended, when others have, and express, a worldview which does not coincide with your own worldview.

e.g.
When i have expressed the view that ISLAM is a philosophy which promotes the murder of those who reject it [ISLAM],      .....then, you apparently choose to categorise persons like myself, as 'racists'.

I would suggest, that it is simply because persons like myself have, and express, a worldview which does not coincide with your own worldview.

No ?


Dictionary;
bigot = =
a person who is prejudiced in their views and intolerant of the opinions of others.

n.b.
Bigots, are those people who are,
".....intolerant of the opinions of others."




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QUESTION;
What about myself, John Smith ???

Would i have to describe myself as a bigot ?       [.....if i applied the definition i provided above ? ]

I don't believe so.

e.g.
I have encouraged people like gandalf [i.e. moslems], to fully and candidly explain, and express their worldview to me,        ....here on this public forum.

So that everyone can better understand, exactly what their worldview really is.

But many moslems seem reluctant to openly and candidly express, where their own allegiances and prejudices lay,       ...when i encourage them to do so.

Why is that, do you think ?

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Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1453674508/41#41

Quote:

gandalf, A QUESTION OF MY OWN; Do moslems, revere prophet Mohammed ? All of them ? Does every moslem, revere prophet Mohammed ? The reason i ask, is because i want to 'draw you out', and have you acknowledge,       ....that authoritative ISLAMIC texts proudly record that; 1/ Mohammed, instead of engaging with his contemporary critics, and publicly reasoning with them [to demonstrate the error of their criticism of him], it is recorded that instead, on numerous occasions, Mohammed procured the stealthy assassination of those critics [even the assassination of a nursing mother who was murdered in her sleep].

freediver wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 6:56pm:

So basically you are so desperate to deligitimise criticism of Islam that you paint yourself as knowing more about my opinion than I do?

no, I am merely telling you how I see you based on the information available to me  ... if you secretly attend pro women rallies and wear a dress, I have no idea of it.


freediver wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 6:56pm:

How exactly is standing up for the rights of Muslim women an excuse to criticise Muslims in general?

IS this where you repeat the same question again and again?


freediver wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 6:56pm:

If it wasn't for your idiotic attempts to tell me what I think, I would not have any need to link the two.

I tell you how I see you based on what I've seen. I've no idea what you think .... have I ever claimed to be Mother Shipton?


freediver wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 7:11pm:

John has it occurred to you that people might have a legitimate criticism about the religion itself rather than specific Muslims or actions by Muslims?

of course, I myself criticise religions all the time, even Islam.


freediver wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 7:11pm:

Why are you so keen to dictate to others what a valid opinion is?

Am I?

freediver wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 7:11pm:

Quote: I generally agree, if they restrict themselves to criticising a particular incident or person/s. But if the only time someone makes a comment is to make a derogatory or negative comment about a particular race or religion, then it's pretty obvious that they are racists etc. My views do not change how your views are seen, even if my views may be flawed.  John has it occurred to you that people might have a legitimate criticism about the religion itself rather than specific Muslims or actions by Muslims?

Exactly!




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freediver wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 7:11pm:

Why are you so keen to dictate to others what a valid opinion is?

Exactly!



An argument which i explored,       in post # 104