link

It's good to see vigilante groups beginning to emerge from unofficial sources due to the decades of wrist-slapping leniency from the courts, the laws, and the politicians.

It had to happen eventually.

We have a massive 'ice' problem in Australia, and this is precisely because the punishments do not fit the crime.

The fear of getting caught is not nearly enough to dissuade the drug dealers that the easy and massive profits are not worth the prospect of getting caught.

And therefore the Youth of Australia are being decimated and turned into violent zombies by these purveyors of poison and death.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 11:49am:

link It's good to see vigilante groups beginning to emerge from unofficial sources due to the decades of wrist-slapping leniency from the courts, the laws, and the politicians. It had to happen eventually. We have a massive 'ice' problem in Australia, and this is precisely because the punishments do not fit the crime. The fear of getting caught is not nearly enough to dissuade the drug dealers that the easy and massive profits are not worth the prospect of getting caught. And therefore the Youth of Australia are being decimated and turned into violent zombies by these purveyors of poison and death.

yes Herbert, correct. The profits involved in the meth trade for instance are so enormous that a few years in jail is meaningless for these people. We either need to get serious or try another tack, what we are doing now isnt working. I can remember back in the 80s when Malaysia got serious about stopping the drug (dadah) trade. There were government sanctioned vigilantes wandering the streets looking for drug dealers, Indonesia had their "mysterious assassins" targeting known criminals. Extra judicial executions of criminals here as happened in Indonesia would be appropriate. but unlikely although I would stick my hand up for it, Ive got a very large mental list of those who deserve it.

ian wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 12:16pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 11:49am: link It's good to see vigilante groups beginning to emerge from unofficial sources due to the decades of wrist-slapping leniency from the courts, the laws, and the politicians. It had to happen eventually. We have a massive 'ice' problem in Australia, and this is precisely because the punishments do not fit the crime. The fear of getting caught is not nearly enough to dissuade the drug dealers that the easy and massive profits are not worth the prospect of getting caught. And therefore the Youth of Australia are being decimated and turned into violent zombies by these purveyors of poison and death. yes Herbert, correct. The profits involved in the meth trade for instance are so enormous that a few years in jail is meaningless for these people. We either need to get serious or try another tack, what we are doing now isnt working. I can remember back in the 80s when Malaysia got serious about stopping the drug (dadah) trade. There were government sanctioned vigilantes wandering the streets looking for drug dealers, Indonesia had their "mysterious assassins" targeting known criminals. Extra judicial executions of criminals here as happened in Indonesia would be appropriate. but unlikely although I would stick my hand up for it, Ive got a very large mental list of those who deserve it.

A tiny mind and a 'large list'. Recipe for a maniac at large.

ian wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 12:16pm:

yes Herbert, correct. The profits involved in the meth trade for instance are so enormous that a few years in jail is meaningless for these people. We either need to get serious or try another tack, what we are doing now isnt working. I can remember back in the 80s when Malaysia got serious about stopping the drug (dadah) trade. There were government sanctioned vigilantes wandering the streets looking for drug dealers, Indonesia had their "mysterious assassins" targeting known criminals. Extra judicial executions of criminals here as happened in Indonesia would be appropriate. but unlikely although I would stick my hand up for it, Ive got a very large mental list of those who deserve it.

Well said, Ian.

I'd like to see a two year moratorium on all people who have anything to do with the drug trade: Importation, manufacture, distribution, and sales.

After that: summary executions. No lawyers pleading for leniency because the guy had bad potty-training, or because he was depressed, or bipolar, or etc.

If you trade in drugs after two years - off you go to the holding cell before a dawn execution. And no nonsense like they have in the US where the guys on Death Row have to wait decades before they're eventually passed over to the other side.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 12:45pm:

ian wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 12:16pm: yes Herbert, correct. The profits involved in the meth trade for instance are so enormous that a few years in jail is meaningless for these people. We either need to get serious or try another tack, what we are doing now isnt working. I can remember back in the 80s when Malaysia got serious about stopping the drug (dadah) trade. There were government sanctioned vigilantes wandering the streets looking for drug dealers, Indonesia had their "mysterious assassins" targeting known criminals. Extra judicial executions of criminals here as happened in Indonesia would be appropriate. but unlikely although I would stick my hand up for it, Ive got a very large mental list of those who deserve it. Well said, Ian. I'd like to see a two year moratorium on all people who have anything to do with the drug trade: Importation, manufacture, distribution, and sales. After that: summary executions. No lawyers pleading for leniency because the guy had bad potty-training, or because he was depressed, or bipolar, or etc. If you trade in drugs after two years - off you go to the holding cell before a dawn execution. And no nonsense like they have in the US where the guys on Death Row have to wait decades before they're eventually passed over to the other side.

You'd execute someone for weed?

GordyL wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 12:55pm:

You'd execute someone for weed?

Hell no.

Only for those drugs which are addictive, soul-destroying, and lose families their sister, brother, sons and daughters.

Those addicted to these Hard Drugs I would have treated as hospital patients.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 1:09pm:

GordyL wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 12:55pm: You'd execute someone for weed? Hell no. Only for those drugs which are addictive, soul-destroying, and lose families their sister, brother, sons and daughters. Those addicted to these Hard Drugs I would have treated as hospital patients.

I assume you're of an age where weed was common, a few people tried LSD and heroin?

To kids, ecstasy is just todays MJ. Ever tried it?

GordyL wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 1:26pm:

I assume you're of an age where weed was common, a few people tried LSD and heroin? To kids, ecstasy is just todays MJ. Ever tried it?

Weed, ecstasy, alcohol, cigarettes, kava - no problem.

Heroin, ice, cocaine - too many users end up prostituting themselves on the streets, and becoming nervous wrecks suffering from malnutrition. 

GordyL wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 1:26pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 1:09pm: GordyL wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 12:55pm: You'd execute someone for weed? Hell no. Only for those drugs which are addictive, soul-destroying, and lose families their sister, brother, sons and daughters. Those addicted to these Hard Drugs I would have treated as hospital patients. I assume you're of an age where weed was common, a few people tried LSD and heroin? To kids, ecstasy is just todays MJ. Ever tried it?

Ecstacy will put holes in your brain!

Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 12:30pm:

ian wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 12:16pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 11:49am: link It's good to see vigilante groups beginning to emerge from unofficial sources due to the decades of wrist-slapping leniency from the courts, the laws, and the politicians. It had to happen eventually. We have a massive 'ice' problem in Australia, and this is precisely because the punishments do not fit the crime. The fear of getting caught is not nearly enough to dissuade the drug dealers that the easy and massive profits are not worth the prospect of getting caught. And therefore the Youth of Australia are being decimated and turned into violent zombies by these purveyors of poison and death. yes Herbert, correct. The profits involved in the meth trade for instance are so enormous that a few years in jail is meaningless for these people. We either need to get serious or try another tack, what we are doing now isnt working. I can remember back in the 80s when Malaysia got serious about stopping the drug (dadah) trade. There were government sanctioned vigilantes wandering the streets looking for drug dealers, Indonesia had their "mysterious assassins" targeting known criminals. Extra judicial executions of criminals here as happened in Indonesia would be appropriate. but unlikely although I would stick my hand up for it, Ive got a very large mental list of those who deserve it. A tiny mind and a 'large list'. Recipe for a maniac at large.

Something to fear?

GordyL wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 1:26pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 1:09pm: GordyL wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 12:55pm: You'd execute someone for weed? Hell no. Only for those drugs which are addictive, soul-destroying, and lose families their sister, brother, sons and daughters. Those addicted to these Hard Drugs I would have treated as hospital patients. I assume you're of an age where weed was common, a few people tried LSD and heroin? To kids, ecstasy is just todays MJ. Ever tried it?

And thats the problem, they think it is but its not. Entirely different drug with entirely different side effects.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 12:30pm:

A tiny mind and a 'large list'. Recipe for a maniac at large. ian wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 6:51pm: Something to fear?

Yes. I fear ian would hurt itself stumbling as it ran maniacally chasing the demons in it's head.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 11:49am:

link It's good to see vigilante groups beginning to emerge from unofficial sources due to the decades of wrist-slapping leniency from the courts, the laws, and the politicians. It had to happen eventually. We have a massive 'ice' problem in Australia, and this is precisely because the punishments do not fit the crime. The fear of getting caught is not nearly enough to dissuade the drug dealers that the easy and massive profits are not worth the prospect of getting caught. And therefore the Youth of Australia are being decimated and turned into violent zombies by these purveyors of poison and death.

I don't feel sorry for people who swallow an unknown drug & then die -
they are fools and Darwin's theory is working to make our population more intelligent.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 7:15pm:

I don't feel sorry for people who swallow an unknown drug & then die - they are fools and Darwin's theory is working to make our population more intelligent.

Denizen ian is the exception that proves the bobby the bat hypothesis. ian's cadaver still roams mindlessly bleating.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 7:15pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 11:49am: link It's good to see vigilante groups beginning to emerge from unofficial sources due to the decades of wrist-slapping leniency from the courts, the laws, and the politicians. It had to happen eventually. We have a massive 'ice' problem in Australia, and this is precisely because the punishments do not fit the crime. The fear of getting caught is not nearly enough to dissuade the drug dealers that the easy and massive profits are not worth the prospect of getting caught. And therefore the Youth of Australia are being decimated and turned into violent zombies by these purveyors of poison and death. I don't feel sorry for people who swallow an unknown drug & then die - they are fools and Darwin's theory is working to make our population more intelligent.

Death is rare, mostly these addicts  cause chaos in our society for a good decade or 2 before they die. In between we spend massive amounts of money catering for their mental health and other issues caused by this hard drug use. mental health facilities and prisons would be empty wihthout meth addicts.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 7:15pm:

I don't feel sorry for people who swallow an unknown drug & then die - they are fools and Darwin's theory is working to make our population more intelligent.

In almost every case in which a girl succumbs to hard drug addiction it's a 'boyfriend' who has introduced them to the drug.

Heads should roll.

The guys often end up acting as pimps to the girls, or simply disappear and continue a normal life while the ex-girlfriend remains a prostitute and an addict until around the age of 32 or so. 

Firing squads for boyfriends would be my choice.

ian wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 8:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 7:15pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 11:49am: link It's good to see vigilante groups beginning to emerge from unofficial sources due to the decades of wrist-slapping leniency from the courts, the laws, and the politicians. It had to happen eventually. We have a massive 'ice' problem in Australia, and this is precisely because the punishments do not fit the crime. The fear of getting caught is not nearly enough to dissuade the drug dealers that the easy and massive profits are not worth the prospect of getting caught. And therefore the Youth of Australia are being decimated and turned into violent zombies by these purveyors of poison and death. I don't feel sorry for people who swallow an unknown drug & then die - they are fools and Darwin's theory is working to make our population more intelligent. Death is rare, mostly these addicts  cause chaos in our society for a good decade or 2 before they die. In between we spend massive amounts of money catering for their mental health and other issues caused by this hard drug use. mental health facilities and prisons would be empty without meth addicts.

I am just making a point that you can't help fools.

What about the money wasted - over $1.2 billion on law enforcement?

according to 4 Corners on Monday night -

Bobby. wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 8:26pm:

ian wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 8:08pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 7:15pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 11:49am: link It's good to see vigilante groups beginning to emerge from unofficial sources due to the decades of wrist-slapping leniency from the courts, the laws, and the politicians. It had to happen eventually. We have a massive 'ice' problem in Australia, and this is precisely because the punishments do not fit the crime. The fear of getting caught is not nearly enough to dissuade the drug dealers that the easy and massive profits are not worth the prospect of getting caught. And therefore the Youth of Australia are being decimated and turned into violent zombies by these purveyors of poison and death. I don't feel sorry for people who swallow an unknown drug & then die - they are fools and Darwin's theory is working to make our population more intelligent. Death is rare, mostly these addicts  cause chaos in our society for a good decade or 2 before they die. In between we spend massive amounts of money catering for their mental health and other issues caused by this hard drug use. mental health facilities and prisons would be empty without meth addicts. I am just making a point that you can't help fools. What about the money wasted - over $1.2 billion on law enforcement? according to 4 Corners on Monday night -

weve lost the war. and 1.2b is a conservative estimate. Whole prisons would be empty if we had a sensible approach to drugs.

I don't think that kind of treatment of a fellow human being is warranted.  Sorry...

If IS did this you'd all bay for their heads.. in Sydney in recent memory a group did this to a Muslim guy and copped hefty sentences.... and deservedly so.

I think many on this strand need to hang their heads in shame.

Its only a whipping. I know a few who deserve this.

ian wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 11:06pm:

Its only a whipping. I know a few who deserve this.

Maybe so.... but it is still a crime committed by people who will not identify themselves, but hide behind hoods.... and have not much to support their view that he is a drug dealer..... after a heap of whipping he still only said whatever they wanted, in an attempt to stop the pain, but no names it seems.

Living proof that this kind of interrogation does not yield much beyond what the person will say to stop the pain..... people will say anything after a certain point.. as clearly evidenced by the Spanish Inquisition, the Communist Russian security agencies, and any number of other groups who rely on pain and brutality to get people to say what they want.

We have echoes of the same here... an innocent man may be beaten, imprisoned on remand for months, and thus slowly whittled down in his resistance.... on attending a court, he may most likely receive threats from escorting police officers to further try to break him down.... such things as a cop handling his pistol and saying "You can't out-run a bullet!" outside the court, even when the accused is handcuffed and showing no intention of running, but instead of fighting the case in court.. or 'You can't beat us!" etc.. is the same thing, and it happens here all the time.

How many in that situation even begin to think they must be guilty even when they know they are not?  How many, knowing they will get a lesser sentence for 'remorse' will then plead guilty to things they never did?

Ask me again why I advocate a Royal Commission into Judiciary with their prejudice and outright violation of Law as regards their duty to uphold the rights of the accused....

And then ask me why I would oppose such vigilante sh!t..... you want a return to the Wild West?  You're asking for it.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 11:50pm:

ian wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 11:06pm: Its only a whipping. I know a few who deserve this. Maybe so.... but it is still a crime committed by people who will not identify themselves, but hide behind hoods.... and have not much to support their view that he is a drug dealer..... after a heap of whipping he still only said whatever they wanted, in an attempt to stop the pain, but no names it seems. Living proof that this kind of interrogation does not yield much beyond what the person will say to stop the pain..... people will say anything after a certain point.. as clearly evidenced by the Spanish Inquisition, the Communist Russian security agencies, and any number of other groups who rely on pain and brutality to get people to say what they want. We have echoes of the same here... an innocent man may be beaten, imprisoned on remand for months, and thus slowly whittled down in his resistance.... on attending a court, he may most likely receive threats from escorting police officers to further try to break him down.... such things as a cop handling his pistol and saying "You can't out-run a bullet!" outside the court, even when the accused is handcuffed and showing no intention of running, but instead of fighting the case in court.. or 'You can't beat us!" etc.. is the same thing, and it happens here all the time. How many in that situation even begin to think they must be guilty even when they know they are not?  How many, knowing they will get a lesser sentence for 'remorse' will then plead guilty to things they never did? Ask me again why I advocate a Royal Commission into Judiciary with their prejudice and outright violation of Law as regards their duty to uphold the rights of the accused.... And then ask me why I would oppose such vigilante sh!t..... you want a return to the Wild West?  You're asking for it.

you have a vivid imagination.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 8:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 7:15pm: I don't feel sorry for people who swallow an unknown drug & then die - they are fools and Darwin's theory is working to make our population more intelligent. In almost every case in which a girl succumbs to hard drug addiction it's a 'boyfriend' who has introduced them to the drug. Heads should roll. The guys often end up acting as pimps to the girls, or simply disappear and continue a normal life while the ex-girlfriend remains a prostitute and an addict until around the age of 32 or so.  Firing squads for boyfriends would be my choice.

A tad sexist there Herbie? We live in an age of equal opportunity and the mindset that women are able to make their own choices.

ian wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 9:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 8:26pm: ian wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 8:08pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 7:15pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 11:49am: link It's good to see vigilante groups beginning to emerge from unofficial sources due to the decades of wrist-slapping leniency from the courts, the laws, and the politicians. It had to happen eventually. We have a massive 'ice' problem in Australia, and this is precisely because the punishments do not fit the crime. The fear of getting caught is not nearly enough to dissuade the drug dealers that the easy and massive profits are not worth the prospect of getting caught. And therefore the Youth of Australia are being decimated and turned into violent zombies by these purveyors of poison and death. I don't feel sorry for people who swallow an unknown drug & then die - they are fools and Darwin's theory is working to make our population more intelligent. Death is rare, mostly these addicts  cause chaos in our society for a good decade or 2 before they die. In between we spend massive amounts of money catering for their mental health and other issues caused by this hard drug use. mental health facilities and prisons would be empty without meth addicts. I am just making a point that you can't help fools. What about the money wasted - over $1.2 billion on law enforcement? according to 4 Corners on Monday night - weve lost the war. and 1.2b is a conservative estimate. Whole prisons would be empty if we had a sensible approach to drugs.

How could anyone swallow a pill made by some unknown freak cooking up whatever they have in their garage or kitchen?
I heard they put prescription pills of any type & even poisons like arsenic into their homemade pills.
People think they are high when their bodies are just reacting to poisons.
Maybe advertising on TV would help to stop the customers?

4 Corners on Monday night was an eye opener into this insidious trade.

see here:

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2016/02/15/4404734.htm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 7:15pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 11:49am: link It's good to see vigilante groups beginning to emerge from unofficial sources due to the decades of wrist-slapping leniency from the courts, the laws, and the politicians. It had to happen eventually. We have a massive 'ice' problem in Australia, and this is precisely because the punishments do not fit the crime. The fear of getting caught is not nearly enough to dissuade the drug dealers that the easy and massive profits are not worth the prospect of getting caught. And therefore the Youth of Australia are being decimated and turned into violent zombies by these purveyors of poison and death. I don't feel sorry for people who swallow an unknown drug & then die - they are fools and Darwin's theory is working to make our population more intelligent.

This thread is proving otherwise.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 11:49am:

link It's good to see vigilante groups beginning to emerge from unofficial sources due to the decades of wrist-slapping leniency from the courts, the laws, and the politicians. It had to happen eventually. We have a massive 'ice' problem in Australia, and this is precisely because the punishments do not fit the crime. The fear of getting caught is not nearly enough to dissuade the drug dealers that the easy and massive profits are not worth the prospect of getting caught. And therefore the Youth of Australia are being decimated and turned into violent zombies by these purveyors of poison and death.

This is normal punishment in Singapore and Malyasia ;)

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 9:34pm:

I don't think that kind of treatment of a fellow human being is warranted.  Sorry...

You are using the word 'fellow' incorrectly here.

Referring to him as a 'fellow human being' implies he's just an ordinary, everyday sort of person who the Average Joe can identify with. If we were blacks or Muslims we would be calling him a 'bruvva'.

But Hard Drug profiteers are not 'fellows' to anyone other than their own morally bankrupt criminal class.

I don't condone the sort of violence we see in the video from the Ukraine, but I do advocate for the 'Singapore rattan' for a whole range of offences against society.

I also have no doubt that capital punishment will return one day to Australia. The Sunday papers' Letters to the Editor sections were stiff with writers lamenting the fact that the death penalty had not been applied to the killers of Janine Balding, Anita Cobby, and Virginia Morse. 

Hopefully the day will come when our girly-men politicians will finally divest themselves of their role as puppets to the UN - and will find the balls to take back full sovereignty of this nation that others before them had signed away for a pat on the head by the 'international community'.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 12:42pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 9:34pm: I don't think that kind of treatment of a fellow human being is warranted.  Sorry... You are using the word 'fellow' incorrectly here. Referring to him as a 'fellow human being' implies he's just an ordinary, everyday sort of person who the Average Joe can identify with.

No, it does no such thing.

It implies that he is a human being, the same as the rest of us are all human beings.

There's no way I could ever identify with the likes of you, however, I can't get around the fact that you are a fellow human being.

Certainly not a human being in the same class as me, but a human being nonetheless.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 1:09pm:

GordyL wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 12:55pm: You'd execute someone for weed? Hell no. Only for those drugs which are addictive, soul-destroying, and lose families their sister, brother, sons and daughters. Those addicted to these Hard Drugs I would have treated as hospital patients.

So you would include alcohol and gambling then.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 1:18pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 1:09pm: GordyL wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 12:55pm: You'd execute someone for weed? Hell no. Only for those drugs which are addictive, soul-destroying, and lose families their sister, brother, sons and daughters. Those addicted to these Hard Drugs I would have treated as hospital patients. So you would include alcohol and gambling then.

It's about percentages.

Addictive substances or amenities that are detrimental to only a small percentage of the users are no problem for licencing and taxing, but those substances which snare a great number into a living nightmare should remain banned. 

"Up to 15 people die and more than 430 are admitted to hospital every day in Australia due to alcohol-related illnesses, new research shows."

"Proportion of deaths attributable to alcohol in 2010

"NT - 11.8 per cent"     :o

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-31/15-australians-die-each-day-from-alcohol-related-illness:-study/5637050

Execute them

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 2:01pm:

"Up to 15 people die and more than 430 are admitted to hospital every day in Australia due to alcohol-related illnesses, new research shows." "Proportion of deaths attributable to alcohol in 2010 "NT - 11.8 per cent"     :o http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-31/15-australians-die-each-day-from-alcohol-related-illness:-study/5637050

You're talking 'Abos' there.

What are the stats with Australians living a Western life-style as tax-paying workers who don't have the time to lounge around in the parks with flagons of cheap wine?

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 2:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 2:01pm: "Up to 15 people die and more than 430 are admitted to hospital every day in Australia due to alcohol-related illnesses, new research shows." "Proportion of deaths attributable to alcohol in 2010 "NT - 11.8 per cent"     :o http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-31/15-australians-die-each-day-from-alcohol-related-illness:-study/5637050 You're talking 'Abos' there.

Link?

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 2:29pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 2:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 2:01pm: "Up to 15 people die and more than 430 are admitted to hospital every day in Australia due to alcohol-related illnesses, new research shows." "Proportion of deaths attributable to alcohol in 2010 "NT - 11.8 per cent"     :o http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-31/15-australians-die-each-day-from-alcohol-related-illness:-study/5637050 You're talking 'Abos' there. Link?

Certainly, sir:

"NT - 11.8 per cent" 

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 2:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 2:29pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 2:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 2:01pm: "Up to 15 people die and more than 430 are admitted to hospital every day in Australia due to alcohol-related illnesses, new research shows." "Proportion of deaths attributable to alcohol in 2010 "NT - 11.8 per cent"     :o http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-31/15-australians-die-each-day-from-alcohol-related-illness:-study/5637050 You're talking 'Abos' there. Link? Certainly, sir: "NT - 11.8 per cent"

That's not a link.

"Up to 15 people die and more than 430 are admitted to hospital every day in Australia due to alcohol-related illnesses, new research shows."

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 2:37pm:

"Up to 15 people die and more than 430 are admitted to hospital every day in Australia due to alcohol-related illnesses, new research shows."

That's very encouraging - I thought it was a lot more than that.

Let me know the stats when you've found a reference source that deducts the Abos from it.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 2:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 2:37pm: "Up to 15 people die and more than 430 are admitted to hospital every day in Australia due to alcohol-related illnesses, new research shows." That's very encouraging - I thought it was a lot more than that. Let me know the stats when you've found a reference source that deducts the Abos from it.

Sorry Herbie: the onus is on you to provide a link to support this racist claim: "You're talking 'Abos' there."

Still waiting.

Poll added

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 1:59pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 1:18pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 1:09pm: GordyL wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 12:55pm: You'd execute someone for weed? Hell no. Only for those drugs which are addictive, soul-destroying, and lose families their sister, brother, sons and daughters. Those addicted to these Hard Drugs I would have treated as hospital patients. So you would include alcohol and gambling then. It's about percentages. Addictive substances or amenities that are detrimental to only a small percentage of the users are no problem for licencing and taxing, but those substances which snare a great number into a living nightmare should remain banned.

But the numbers due to alcohol are far greater

But the numbers due to alcohol are far greater


I could live with a ban on alcohol

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 1:59pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 1:18pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 1:09pm: GordyL wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 12:55pm: You'd execute someone for weed? Hell no. Only for those drugs which are addictive, soul-destroying, and lose families their sister, brother, sons and daughters. Those addicted to these Hard Drugs I would have treated as hospital patients. So you would include alcohol and gambling then. It's about percentages. Addictive substances or amenities that are detrimental to only a small percentage of the users are no problem for licencing and taxing, but those substances which snare a great number into a living nightmare should remain banned.

But Herbert - you can't stop stupidity.

Look at the Abbos - if they can't get booze they sniff petrol -
they can't be helped -
there is nothing we can do for them.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 10:48pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 1:59pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 1:18pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 1:09pm: GordyL wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 12:55pm: You'd execute someone for weed? Hell no. Only for those drugs which are addictive, soul-destroying, and lose families their sister, brother, sons and daughters. Those addicted to these Hard Drugs I would have treated as hospital patients. So you would include alcohol and gambling then. It's about percentages. Addictive substances or amenities that are detrimental to only a small percentage of the users are no problem for licencing and taxing, but those substances which snare a great number into a living nightmare should remain banned.  But Herbert - you can't stop stupidity. Look at the Abbos - if they can't get booze they sniff petrol - they can't be helped - there is nothing we can do for them.

Are you saying the Abos problems are genetic and not social Bobby?

ian wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 10:52pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 10:48pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 1:59pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 1:18pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 1:09pm: GordyL wrote on Feb 16th, 2016 at 12:55pm: You'd execute someone for weed? Hell no. Only for those drugs which are addictive, soul-destroying, and lose families their sister, brother, sons and daughters. Those addicted to these Hard Drugs I would have treated as hospital patients. So you would include alcohol and gambling then. It's about percentages. Addictive substances or amenities that are detrimental to only a small percentage of the users are no problem for licencing and taxing, but those substances which snare a great number into a living nightmare should remain banned.  But Herbert - you can't stop stupidity. Look at the Abbos - if they can't get booze they sniff petrol - they can't be helped - there is nothing we can do for them. Are you saying the Abos problems are genetic and not social Bobby?

It could be genetic - maybe they are closer cousins to the great Apes than we are?

Bobby. wrote on Feb 17^th, 2016 at 10:48pm:

But Herbert - you can't stop stupidity. Look at the Abbos - if they can't get booze they sniff petrol - they can't be helped - there is nothing we can do for them.

Totally incorrect, and I'm giving you 4 demerit points for saying such a thing.

'The Devil makes use of idle hands' ... and therein lies part of the answer as to why so many indigenous Australians succumb to the obliterating effects of mind-altering drugs such as alcohol and inhalant drugs.

These drugs help to reduce feelings of boredom and anxiety, and embolden one in situations of social stress.

Poor self-esteem comes with comparing oneself negatively with others in society who seem to have made a success of themselves in various ways.

For aborigines the Road out of Despair for them is the long march through education and training so they can secure for themselves a position in the workforce from where they can build a good life for themselves and their families on an equal footing with the average person in society.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 18^th, 2016 at 7:40am:

For aborigines the Road out of Despair for them is the long march through education and training so they can secure for themselves a position in the workforce from where they can build a good life for themselves and their families on an equal footing with the average person in society.

Getting them to be educated Herby? Never ask people to do what you havent done yourself.

"It is true that Aboriginals statistically have less access to hospital care than whites. Given that many of them live in remote areas this is hardly surprising. Cattle farmers are generally not as close to first rate medical facilities as office workers yet they don’t scream discrimination.

What about the appalling health outcomes of aboriginal people? They have similar health outcomes as people in the Third World. But what are the major contributing factors to this poor health?

Excessive alcohol consumption (particularly during pregnancy), petrol sniffing, smoking, illegal drug abuse, poor diet, black on black violence, sexually transmitted diseases and parental neglect are some of the main ones noted.

Yet all of these are voluntarily self-inflicted. How are these the fault of non-aboriginals?

Perhaps we can blame the whites for the destruction of aboriginal culture. If we could magically restore the original culture of the aboriginals however, how would that serve them in a modern, first world country?

How many would really want to go back to a life without electricity, medical care or a modern welfare state".


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