The leader of the Dutch branch of the anti-Islamisation PEGIDA movement was arrested on Saturday for refusing to take off a child’s hat shaped like a pig.

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This has gone TOO far.


Bar Muslims from permanently entering liberal democracies. They have made no positive contribution, their presence is completely detrimental. Islam is no improvement on ANY society.


Enough.

New national leaders are positioning themselves for government in several countries at the moment, and the four Eastern European countries that said "Enough is Enough" with this Muslim immigration nonsense, have broken the ice so far as it being a taboo to express such a sentiment at government level.

The Fightback to recapture the West has begun.

yes, in germany a place for immigrants was torched.

People cheered.

White real people know about islam and we want it banished.

Soren wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 8:19pm:

Bar Muslims from permanently entering liberal democracies. They have made no positive contribution, their presence is completely detrimental. Islam is no improvement on ANY society.

The same could be said about you.

In fact, it often is.

france is closing mosques

I must admit that I have been dealing with the moslem issue all wrong for many years, and for that, I am sorry.

I have been treating them with tolerance, the same as I would any other human being.  What can I say - it's my default setting.  But I've come to see that that behaviour was making them feel welcome in this country, emboldening them to spread the word to their deadshit family back home - come all!  It's so inviting here!

But welcome, they are not.  I have seen the error of my ways - henceforth I shall take any opportunity to make them feel unwelcome, and implore you all to do the same.  The time for tolerance is over.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 8:50pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 23rd, 2016 at 8:19pm: Bar Muslims from permanently entering liberal democracies. They have made no positive contribution, their presence is completely detrimental. Islam is no improvement on ANY society. The same could be said about you. In fact, it often is.

I've a novel idea.

Instead of championing the Islamic ideal from behind your keyboardd, why don't you move to the Islamic country of your choice?

There you may find your slit throat matches your smirk.

... wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 10:42pm:

I must admit that I have been dealing with the moslem issue all wrong for many years, and for that, I am sorry. I have been treating them with tolerance, the same as I would any other human being.  What can I say - it's my default setting.  But I've come to see that that behaviour was making them feel welcome in this country, emboldening them to spread the word to their deadshit family back home - come all!  It's so inviting here! But welcome, they are not.  I have seen the error of my ways - henceforth I shall take any opportunity to make them feel unwelcome, and implore you all to do the same.  The time for tolerance is over.

You are forgiven.

Go in peace and sin no more, my son.

:o

The leader of the Dutch branch of the anti-Islamisation PEGIDA movement was arrested on Saturday for refusing to take off a child’s hat shaped like a pig.

Edwin Wagensveld was leading a demonstration in the town of Ede against plans to build several migrant centres capable of accommodating up to 1,400 people.

Dutch News says “a few dozen” people carrying Dutch flags and placards were present at the protest where Mr Wagensveld was arrested. He described the arrest as “childish” and was released after an hour.

Saturday’s protest comes as senior figures in the Netherlands become increasingly sceptica that the huge number of migrants pouring into the continent can fully integrate into wider society.

In an interview with Trouw, the parliamentary leader of the People’s Party for Freedom and Democracy – the party of Prime Minister Mark Rutte – made hard-hitting comments on the failure of multiculturalism and the need to integrate Muslims into Dutch society.

Halbe Zijlstra slammed the liberal-left ideology that has dominated his country’s thinking for many decades, saying: “We in the Netherlands have for far too long been tolerant of intolerance towards ourselves. We have tolerated intolerance towards our values. This is obviously very stupid. We should be tolerant of that girl with the headscarf in class who has her own faith, but not when she says to you: ‘You must [also] put on a headscarf.”’

“If you want to live here then you have to keep to our values,” he added. “Those who want to live in an Islamic society where women are second class citizens, gay people are denounced and where other faiths are not allowed should go and live in Saudi Arabia or something.”

He also called for a ban on Salafist groups, saying they were putting the country’s way of life danger.

“Religion can never be a cover for a political-ideological assault on our constitutional state,” he said. “In Salafist circles things are called for and said that undermine our democracy.”

The Dutch people now have to stand up for their values if they want to preserve them for future generations:

“If you want a liberal society with all its freedoms and values, religious freedom, equality of man and woman… then you should be very clear about it and fight for it, and also make it clear to newcomers that this is non-negotiable. We have done exactly the opposite.”

In December, Geert Wilders, a politician noted for his criticism of Islam, was voted “politician of the year” for a third time. His party has recently led opinion polls in the country, with one suggesting they would win 35 out of 150 seats if an election were held tomorrow.

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:10am:

:o The leader of the Dutch branch of the anti-Islamisation PEGIDA movement was arrested on Saturday for refusing to take off a child’s hat shaped like a pig.

Well FD, that is only a natural and sensible reaction by the Dutch police!

We need this police policy here in Australia too!!

We can't tolerate people walking around on our streets openly wearing child's hat shaped like a pig, if they may offend our moslem community!               :P

An irresponsible person like that, is likely to incite public unrest [or even public violence!] if a group of moslems were to see him wearing such a head warmer in any public place.        !!!!!!!!            :P




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The leader of the Dutch branch of the anti-Islamisation PEGIDA movement was arrested on Saturday for refusing to take off a child’s hat shaped like a pig.

"If you want to live here then you have to keep to our values,” he added. “Those who want to live in an Islamic society where women are second class citizens, gay people are denounced and where other faiths are not allowed should go and live in Saudi Arabia or something." - from the article link below


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http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/02/22/dutch-pegida-leader-arrested-for-failing-to-take-off-hate-shaped-like-pig/

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 8:43pm:

yes, in germany a place for immigrants was torched. People cheered. White real people know about islam and we want it banished.

Burn them.

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:10am:

:-?

I agree FD - sprint's expression of solidarity with violence and thuggery against vulnerable refugees - in the post above yours - is quite shocking.

That is what you were expressing shock about right?

Or was it the shock of someone using a story about the actions of police as somehow justification to punish muslims en masse?

Let's pause for a moment to consider the implications of this article :


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I was not surprised at sprint's post. I was surprised at the bloke getting arrested for the pig hat.

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 4:06pm:

I was not surprised at sprint's post. I was surprised at the bloke getting arrested for the pig hat.

Yes, but you do agree with the sentiments expressed, shurely.

Germans cheering while immigrant houses are torched. This is what white real people should be doing, don’t you agree?

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 4:06pm:

I was not surprised at sprint's post. I was surprised at the bloke getting arrested for the pig hat.

Do you think it provides a good justification to ban muslim immigration - or is that something we should maybe speak out against?

Do you see any problems with the sentiment expressed by sprint? Say for example, do you think it provides a credible threat to our freedom and democracy?

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 5:44pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 4:06pm: I was not surprised at sprint's post. I was surprised at the bloke getting arrested for the pig hat. Do you think it provides a good justification to ban muslim immigration - or is that something we should maybe speak out against? Do you see any problems with the sentiment expressed by sprint? Say for example, do you think it provides a credible threat to our freedom and democracy?

Gandy, you have told us that not even you, a Muslim, can tell the jihadis from the 'vast majority'.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2016 at 8:50pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 23rd, 2016 at 8:19pm: Bar Muslims from permanently entering liberal democracies. They have made no positive contribution, their presence is completely detrimental. Islam is no improvement on ANY society. The same could be said about you. In fact, it often is.

I am more Australian than you, turd: I am speaking FOR this country, not against it like you do all the time.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 5:44pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 4:06pm: I was not surprised at sprint's post. I was surprised at the bloke getting arrested for the pig hat. Do you think it provides a good justification to ban muslim immigration - or is that something we should maybe speak out against? Do you see any problems with the sentiment expressed by sprint? Say for example, do you think it provides a credible threat to our freedom and democracy?

I don't think this bloke getting arrested for a pig hat is a justification for banning Muslim immigration. I do not think immigration policy is a threat to freedom and democracy. We are simply not capable of projecting our rights and freedoms beyond our borders, and an open border would inevitably erode our rights and freedoms. I don't think we should discriminate against Muslims in our immigration policy. Rather, we should discriminate against people who are ideologically opposed to freedom and democracy. It's a subtle distinction, but one I'm sure you would appreciate.

Soren wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 6:03pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 5:44pm: freediver wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 4:06pm: I was not surprised at sprint's post. I was surprised at the bloke getting arrested for the pig hat. Do you think it provides a good justification to ban muslim immigration - or is that something we should maybe speak out against? Do you see any problems with the sentiment expressed by sprint? Say for example, do you think it provides a credible threat to our freedom and democracy? Gandy, you have told us that not even you, a Muslim, can tell the jihadis from the 'vast majority'.

Don't worry S, your fascist credentials are not in doubt. You and sprint are in a race for the bottom - and proudly so.

Its FD I'm more interested in. He at least pretends to be all concerned about freedom and rights. I'm just interested in what he thinks of the likes of you and your 'ban them, deport them' mantra, especially when its invoked in response to an action that didn't even involve muslims.

For some reason he never says anything against such blatant attacks on people's freedom.

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 6:15pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 5:44pm: freediver wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 4:06pm: I was not surprised at sprint's post. I was surprised at the bloke getting arrested for the pig hat. Do you think it provides a good justification to ban muslim immigration - or is that something we should maybe speak out against? Do you see any problems with the sentiment expressed by sprint? Say for example, do you think it provides a credible threat to our freedom and democracy? I don't think this bloke getting arrested for a pig hat is a justification for banning Muslim immigration. I do not think immigration policy is a threat to freedom and democracy. We are simply not capable of projecting our rights and freedoms beyond our borders, and an open border would inevitably erode our rights and freedoms. I don't think we should discriminate against Muslims in our immigration policy. Rather, we should discriminate against people who are ideologically opposed to freedom and democracy. It's a subtle distinction, but one I'm sure you would appreciate.

Thank you FD, and I agree with all this.

Do you think though that the sentiments expressed by Soren and Sprint calling for such blanket bans and institutionalised discrimination - as well as celebrating violence against refugees, is a threat to freedom and democracy - that we should speak out against?

Soren wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 6:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 23rd, 2016 at 8:50pm: Soren wrote on Feb 23rd, 2016 at 8:19pm: Bar Muslims from permanently entering liberal democracies. They have made no positive contribution, their presence is completely detrimental. Islam is no improvement on ANY society. The same could be said about you. In fact, it often is. I am more Australian than you.

I doubt it.

However, that's beside the point.

You've still made no positive contribution, and your presence is completely detrimental.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 6:37pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 6:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 23rd, 2016 at 8:50pm: Soren wrote on Feb 23rd, 2016 at 8:19pm: Bar Muslims from permanently entering liberal democracies. They have made no positive contribution, their presence is completely detrimental. Islam is no improvement on ANY society. The same could be said about you. In fact, it often is. I am more Australian than you. I doubt it. However, that's beside the point. You've still made no positive contribution, and your presence is completely detrimental.

Soren believes a woman who is assaulted for wearing a niqab is the inconsiderate one.

If Soren's views are an accurate reflection of Australian values, then I'm an eskimo.

Soren wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 6:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 23rd, 2016 at 8:50pm: Soren wrote on Feb 23rd, 2016 at 8:19pm: Bar Muslims from permanently entering liberal democracies. They have made no positive contribution, their presence is completely detrimental. Islam is no improvement on ANY society. The same could be said about you. In fact, it often is. I am more Australian than you, turd: I am speaking FOR this country, not against it like you do all the time.

Yes, old boy, but you like Danish. You stand against every pesky Australian value there is.

I blame Voltaire,. You?

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 6:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 6:37pm: Soren wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 6:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 23rd, 2016 at 8:50pm: Soren wrote on Feb 23rd, 2016 at 8:19pm: Bar Muslims from permanently entering liberal democracies. They have made no positive contribution, their presence is completely detrimental. Islam is no improvement on ANY society. The same could be said about you. In fact, it often is. I am more Australian than you. I doubt it. However, that's beside the point. You've still made no positive contribution, and your presence is completely detrimental. Soren believes a woman who is assaulted for wearing a niqab is the inconsiderate one. If Soren's views are an accurate reflection of Australian values, then I'm an eskimo.

Well, I’m a Paki,.so anything’s possible.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 6:15pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 5:44pm: freediver wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 4:06pm: I was not surprised at sprint's post. I was surprised at the bloke getting arrested for the pig hat. Do you think it provides a good justification to ban muslim immigration - or is that something we should maybe speak out against? Do you see any problems with the sentiment expressed by sprint? Say for example, do you think it provides a credible threat to our freedom and democracy? I don't think this bloke getting arrested for a pig hat is a justification for banning Muslim immigration. I do not think immigration policy is a threat to freedom and democracy. We are simply not capable of projecting our rights and freedoms beyond our borders, and an open border would inevitably erode our rights and freedoms. I don't think we should discriminate against Muslims in our immigration policy. Rather, we should discriminate against people who are ideologically opposed to freedom and democracy. It's a subtle distinction, but one I'm sure you would appreciate. Thank you FD, and I agree with all this. Do you think though that the sentiments expressed by Soren and Sprint calling for such blanket bans and institutionalised discrimination - as well as celebrating violence against refugees, is a threat to freedom and democracy - that we should speak out against?

Sure, but there’s a reason FD remains silent on this issue.

I disagree with all views that are incompatible with my own.

You're evading again FD.

I gotta great idea! Lets import social problems. We don't have enough here yet.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 6:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 6:37pm: Soren wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 6:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 23rd, 2016 at 8:50pm: Soren wrote on Feb 23rd, 2016 at 8:19pm: Bar Muslims from permanently entering liberal democracies. They have made no positive contribution, their presence is completely detrimental. Islam is no improvement on ANY society. The same could be said about you. In fact, it often is. I am more Australian than you. I doubt it. However, that's beside the point. You've still made no positive contribution, and your presence is completely detrimental. Soren believes a woman who is assaulted for wearing a niqab is the inconsiderate one.

Told off.

BIG diff.

You control immigration from ebola or TB infected areas. This seems perfectly natural to most people.

But controlling immigration from jihad-infected countries is anathema.

Why is it OK to be a jihadi but not an ebola or TB carrier?


Please explain.

I'm sorry S - of course we all know that you would be the first to jump to the defense of a niqabi who is assaulted.

right?  :D

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:14pm:

You're evading again FD.

Sure, but FD can’t say.

So I'm in KL right now dealing with both Muslim Malays and Chinese. The Muslim Malays are friendly, but arrogant and they think they are on a level about 10 times higher than anyone, which is pretty bloody funny because they are all thick as pigsh!t.

To the last every Muslim Malay I've dealt with, it's like they're retarded. Really retarded. In contrast when dealing with the Malay Chinese, they are so far ahead of the Muslims and me it's like I'm the retarded one ;)

The Muslim Malays smile and their disposition is friendly, but I can see right through it and they are contemptuous of anyone who isn't one of them. They neg their Chinese colleagues every chance they get.... pretty funny, if not for the Chinese brain power, Malaysia would be just another Muslim sh!thole.

Soren wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:18pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 6:54pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 6:37pm: Soren wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 6:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 23rd, 2016 at 8:50pm: Soren wrote on Feb 23rd, 2016 at 8:19pm: Bar Muslims from permanently entering liberal democracies. They have made no positive contribution, their presence is completely detrimental. Islam is no improvement on ANY society. The same could be said about you. In fact, it often is. I am more Australian than you. I doubt it. However, that's beside the point. You've still made no positive contribution, and your presence is completely detrimental. Soren believes a woman who is assaulted for wearing a niqab is the inconsiderate one. Told off. BIG diff.

Exactly. Told off  by having their veils ripped off, taking great care not to cause any head injuries or anything.

No one has the right to not be offended, no?

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:14pm:

You're evading again FD.

Sorry Gandalf. Perhaps you should try broadening your question and ask me to comment on everything that everyone says.

Karnal wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 7:18pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 6:54pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 6:37pm: Soren wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 6:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 23rd, 2016 at 8:50pm: Soren wrote on Feb 23rd, 2016 at 8:19pm: Bar Muslims from permanently entering liberal democracies. They have made no positive contribution, their presence is completely detrimental. Islam is no improvement on ANY society. The same could be said about you. In fact, it often is. I am more Australian than you. I doubt it. However, that's beside the point. You've still made no positive contribution, and your presence is completely detrimental. Soren believes a woman who is assaulted for wearing a niqab is the inconsiderate one. Told off. BIG diff. Exactly. Told off  by having their veils ripped off, taking great care not to cause any head injuries or anything. No one has the right to not be offended, no?

Just so. If they tell you in a free country that you are acting like an unmutilated vagina, you should roll with it.  You do - why can't they?

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 6:27pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 6:03pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 5:44pm: freediver wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 4:06pm: I was not surprised at sprint's post. I was surprised at the bloke getting arrested for the pig hat. Do you think it provides a good justification to ban muslim immigration - or is that something we should maybe speak out against? Do you see any problems with the sentiment expressed by sprint? Say for example, do you think it provides a credible threat to our freedom and democracy? Gandy, you have told us that not even you, a Muslim, can tell the jihadis from the 'vast majority'. Don't worry S, your fascist credentials are not in doubt. You and sprint are in a race for the bottom - and proudly so. Its FD I'm more interested in. He at least pretends to be all concerned about freedom and rights. I'm just interested in what he thinks of the likes of you and your 'ban them, deport them' mantra, especially when its invoked in response to an action that didn't even involve muslims. For some reason he never says anything against such blatant attacks on people's freedom.

Hey, 'vast majory peaceful Muslim' tell us how to tell the jihadis from you and then we will take you seriously.

Calling me a fascist for asking the question shows that you are not sufficiently distant from the jihadis. In fact you are closer to them then you are to the non-Muslims population of Australia.  You shield and excuse them and you constantly evade your responsibility.



I think your presence here is your personal jihad. You are an ideological jihadi, Gandy. Face it.

Soren wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:40pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 7:28pm: Soren wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 7:18pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 6:54pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 6:37pm: Soren wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 6:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 23rd, 2016 at 8:50pm: Soren wrote on Feb 23rd, 2016 at 8:19pm: Bar Muslims from permanently entering liberal democracies. They have made no positive contribution, their presence is completely detrimental. Islam is no improvement on ANY society. The same could be said about you. In fact, it often is. I am more Australian than you. I doubt it. However, that's beside the point. You've still made no positive contribution, and your presence is completely detrimental. Soren believes a woman who is assaulted for wearing a niqab is the inconsiderate one. Told off. BIG diff. Exactly. Told off  by having their veils ripped off, taking great care not to cause any head injuries or anything. No one has the right to not be offended, no? Just so. If they tell you in a free country that you are acting like an unmutilated vagina, you should roll with it.  You do - why can't they?

Oh, I think it has something to do with the law on common assault.

Most unfair, of course. Should they roll with the oppression too?

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:36pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 7:14pm: You're evading again FD. Sorry Gandalf. Perhaps you should try broadening your question and ask me to comment on everything that everyone says.

Ah, but then you would have to broaden your questions too, no?

Do you want to give it a go?

Karnal wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:53pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 7:40pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 7:28pm: Soren wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 7:18pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 6:54pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 6:37pm: Soren wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 6:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 23rd, 2016 at 8:50pm: Soren wrote on Feb 23rd, 2016 at 8:19pm: Bar Muslims from permanently entering liberal democracies. They have made no positive contribution, their presence is completely detrimental. Islam is no improvement on ANY society. The same could be said about you. In fact, it often is. I am more Australian than you. I doubt it. However, that's beside the point. You've still made no positive contribution, and your presence is completely detrimental. Soren believes a woman who is assaulted for wearing a niqab is the inconsiderate one. Told off. BIG diff. Exactly. Told off  by having their veils ripped off, taking great care not to cause any head injuries or anything. No one has the right to not be offended, no? Just so. If they tell you in a free country that you are acting like an unmutilated vagina, you should roll with it.  You do - why can't they? Oh, I think it has something to do with the law on common assault. Most unfair, of course. Should they roll with the oppression too?

SOoooooooo....  how does Islam come into it if it is already covered by common law??



Explain, PB. Expand. Hold forth.  Dilate like the you-know-what you are.



Go on.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:23pm:

I'm sorry S - of course we all know that you would be the first to jump to the defense of a niqabi who is assaulted. right?  :D

Right.

I am of the vast majority of peaceful Australians.   How dare you implicate me, you racist, Australo-phobe.

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:36pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 7:14pm: You're evading again FD. Sorry Gandalf. Perhaps you should try broadening your question and ask me to comment on everything that everyone says.

No the questions i asked are fine. But if you dont feel comfortable answering thats fine, either say so or simply say nothing. Just dont pretend you're being asked something that you are not, in some apparent effort to avoid answering.

Soren wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:30pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 7:53pm: Soren wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 7:40pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 7:28pm: Soren wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 7:18pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 6:54pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 6:37pm: Soren wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 6:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 23rd, 2016 at 8:50pm: Soren wrote on Feb 23rd, 2016 at 8:19pm: Bar Muslims from permanently entering liberal democracies. They have made no positive contribution, their presence is completely detrimental. Islam is no improvement on ANY society. The same could be said about you. In fact, it often is. I am more Australian than you. I doubt it. However, that's beside the point. You've still made no positive contribution, and your presence is completely detrimental. Soren believes a woman who is assaulted for wearing a niqab is the inconsiderate one. Told off. BIG diff. Exactly. Told off  by having their veils ripped off, taking great care not to cause any head injuries or anything. No one has the right to not be offended, no? Just so. If they tell you in a free country that you are acting like an unmutilated vagina, you should roll with it.  You do - why can't they? Oh, I think it has something to do with the law on common assault. Most unfair, of course. Should they roll with the oppression too? SOoooooooo....  how does Islam come into it if it is already covered by common law?? Explain, PB. Expand. Hold forth.  Dilate like the you-know-what you are. Go on.

You’ve been at Mormor’s cooking wine.

I’ll be holding forth when we have you properly restrained, don’t you worry about that.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:36pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 7:36pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 7:14pm: You're evading again FD. Sorry Gandalf. Perhaps you should try broadening your question and ask me to comment on everything that everyone says. No the questions i asked are fine. But if you dont feel comfortable answering thats fine, either say so or simply say nothing. Just dont pretend you're being asked something that you are not, in some apparent effort to avoid answering.

Ah.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:36pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 7:36pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 7:14pm: You're evading again FD. Sorry Gandalf. Perhaps you should try broadening your question and ask me to comment on everything that everyone says. No the questions i asked are fine. But if you dont feel comfortable answering thats fine, either say so or simply say nothing. Just dont pretend you're being asked something that you are not, in some apparent effort to avoid answering.

I'll try to elaborate. I agree with the views that are compatible with my own. I disagree with the views that are incompatible. For some, it is ambiguous whether they are compatible, in which case I cannot say whether I agree with them. Still others I may share certain principles with, but I consider them to be an over-reaction to the current situation, eg something may be reasonable in France given their current circumstances, but unnecessary here. Others I may support in practice, but would merely phrase it differently.

You may take this in reference to Yadda's posts, as well as Sprint's and Soren's. Or anyone else you can think of.

Karnal wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:37pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 8:30pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 7:53pm: Soren wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 7:40pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 7:28pm: Soren wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 7:18pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 6:54pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 6:37pm: Soren wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 6:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 23rd, 2016 at 8:50pm: Soren wrote on Feb 23rd, 2016 at 8:19pm: Bar Muslims from permanently entering liberal democracies. They have made no positive contribution, their presence is completely detrimental. Islam is no improvement on ANY society. The same could be said about you. In fact, it often is. I am more Australian than you. I doubt it. However, that's beside the point. You've still made no positive contribution, and your presence is completely detrimental. Soren believes a woman who is assaulted for wearing a niqab is the inconsiderate one. Told off. BIG diff. Exactly. Told off  by having their veils ripped off, taking great care not to cause any head injuries or anything. No one has the right to not be offended, no? Just so. If they tell you in a free country that you are acting like an unmutilated vagina, you should roll with it.  You do - why can't they? Oh, I think it has something to do with the law on common assault. Most unfair, of course. Should they roll with the oppression too? SOoooooooo....  how does Islam come into it if it is already covered by common law?? Explain, PB. Expand. Hold forth.  Dilate like the you-know-what you are. Go on. You’ve been at Mormor’s cooking wine. I’ll be holding forth when we have you properly restrained, don’t you worry about that.

Pervert. Faaar king pervert.

Soren wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:34pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 7:23pm: I'm sorry S - of course we all know that you would be the first to jump to the defense of a niqabi who is assaulted. right?  :D Right. I am of the vast majority of peaceful Australians.   How dare you implicate me, you racist, Australo-phobe.

Grudgingly tolerating people's rights through gritted teeth might technically be "peaceful", but it is not "Australian".

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:42pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 8:34pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 7:23pm: I'm sorry S - of course we all know that you would be the first to jump to the defense of a niqabi who is assaulted. right?  :D Right. I am of the vast majority of peaceful Australians.   How dare you implicate me, you racist, Australo-phobe. Grudgingly tolerating people's rights through gritted teeth might technically be "peaceful", but it is not "Australian".

Isn't that how you tolerate people's right to mock Muhammed Gandalf?

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:40pm:

I'll try to elaborate. I agree with the views that are compatible with my own. I disagree with the views that are incompatible. For some, it is ambiguous whether they are compatible, in which case I cannot say whether I agree with them. Still others I may share certain principles with, but I consider them to be an over-reaction to the current situation, eg something may be reasonable in France given their current circumstances, but unnecessary here. You may take this in reference to Yadda's posts, as well as Sprint's and Soren's. Or anyone else you can think of.

So you agree. Thanks for settling that, FD.

You’ve been hinting at having them.banned, killed and oppressed for some time, so it’s good to have it all out in the open.

Don’t feel bad about it. I think you’re really very brave.

Soren wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:41pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 8:37pm: Soren wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 8:30pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 7:53pm: Soren wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 7:40pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 7:28pm: Soren wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 7:18pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 6:54pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 6:37pm: Soren wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 6:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 23rd, 2016 at 8:50pm: Soren wrote on Feb 23rd, 2016 at 8:19pm: Bar Muslims from permanently entering liberal democracies. They have made no positive contribution, their presence is completely detrimental. Islam is no improvement on ANY society. The same could be said about you. In fact, it often is. I am more Australian than you. I doubt it. However, that's beside the point. You've still made no positive contribution, and your presence is completely detrimental. Soren believes a woman who is assaulted for wearing a niqab is the inconsiderate one. Told off. BIG diff. Exactly. Told off  by having their veils ripped off, taking great care not to cause any head injuries or anything. No one has the right to not be offended, no? Just so. If they tell you in a free country that you are acting like an unmutilated vagina, you should roll with it.  You do - why can't they? Oh, I think it has something to do with the law on common assault. Most unfair, of course. Should they roll with the oppression too? SOoooooooo....  how does Islam come into it if it is already covered by common law?? Explain, PB. Expand. Hold forth.  Dilate like the you-know-what you are. Go on. You’ve been at Mormor’s cooking wine. I’ll be holding forth when we have you properly restrained, don’t you worry about that. Pervert. Faaar king pervert.

Thanks for helping him with his English, Sprint.

Good work.

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:43pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 8:42pm: Soren wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 8:34pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 7:23pm: I'm sorry S - of course we all know that you would be the first to jump to the defense of a niqabi who is assaulted. right?  :D Right. I am of the vast majority of peaceful Australians.   How dare you implicate me, you racist, Australo-phobe. Grudgingly tolerating people's rights through gritted teeth might technically be "peaceful", but it is not "Australian". Isn't that how you tolerate people's right to mock Muhammed Gandalf?

Mocking Australians isn’t racist, FD. Australia is not a race. We’re multicultural.

According to the 2007 FD, anyway. Remind me to.ask him if we’re monocultural now.

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:43pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 8:42pm: Soren wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 8:34pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 7:23pm: I'm sorry S - of course we all know that you would be the first to jump to the defense of a niqabi who is assaulted. right?  :D Right. I am of the vast majority of peaceful Australians.   How dare you implicate me, you racist, Australo-phobe. Grudgingly tolerating people's rights through gritted teeth might technically be "peaceful", but it is not "Australian". Isn't that how you tolerate people's right to mock Muhammed Gandalf?

I make a bit of a distinction between tolerating those who go out of their way to insult others and tolerating those who just go about their business with a particular choice of clothing that is not intended to insult anyone. Though of course S argues that the latter is aiming only to offend.

The Muhammed cartoons are intended to enlighten, not offend. But of course, no-one has the right not to be offended by them.

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:40pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 8:36pm: freediver wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 7:36pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 7:14pm: You're evading again FD. Sorry Gandalf. Perhaps you should try broadening your question and ask me to comment on everything that everyone says. No the questions i asked are fine. But if you dont feel comfortable answering thats fine, either say so or simply say nothing. Just dont pretend you're being asked something that you are not, in some apparent effort to avoid answering. I'll try to elaborate. I agree with the views that are compatible with my own. I disagree with the views that are incompatible. For some, it is ambiguous whether they are compatible, in which case I cannot say whether I agree with them. Still others I may share certain principles with, but I consider them to be an over-reaction to the current situation, eg something may be reasonable in France given their current circumstances, but unnecessary here. Others I may support in practice, but would merely phrase it differently. You may take this in reference to Yadda's posts, as well as Sprint's and Soren's. Or anyone else you can think of.

I wonder if you are doing this deliberately.

Lets go one step at a time then. Do you think sprint and soren's ban them, deport them mantra is a threat to freedom and democracy?

Do me a favour and don't elaborate on that - just give me a straight answer.

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:56pm:

The Muhammed cartoons are intended to enlighten, not offend. But of course, no-one has the right not to be offended by them.

Oh yes, and you found them so provocative you posted them here to enjoy that visceral fear of getting blown up.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but you didn’t sleep for a week, remember?

Yes, some get sports cars, some take up hangliding - you posted a cartoon of Muhammed.

No one has the right to not be offended, eh?

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:56pm:

The Muhammed cartoons are intended to enlighten, not offend. But of course, no-one has the right not to be offended by them.

Funny, I thought they were were intended to complete a self-fulfilling prophecy.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 9:03pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 8:40pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 8:36pm: freediver wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 7:36pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 7:14pm: You're evading again FD. Sorry Gandalf. Perhaps you should try broadening your question and ask me to comment on everything that everyone says. No the questions i asked are fine. But if you dont feel comfortable answering thats fine, either say so or simply say nothing. Just dont pretend you're being asked something that you are not, in some apparent effort to avoid answering. I'll try to elaborate. I agree with the views that are compatible with my own. I disagree with the views that are incompatible. For some, it is ambiguous whether they are compatible, in which case I cannot say whether I agree with them. Still others I may share certain principles with, but I consider them to be an over-reaction to the current situation, eg something may be reasonable in France given their current circumstances, but unnecessary here. Others I may support in practice, but would merely phrase it differently. You may take this in reference to Yadda's posts, as well as Sprint's and Soren's. Or anyone else you can think of. I wonder if you are doing this deliberately. Lets go one step at a time then. Do you think sprint and soren's ban them, deport them mantra is a threat to freedom and democracy? Do me a favour and don't elaborate on that - just give me a straight answer.

Here's a tip Gandalf. If you want to know what I think, ask me what I think. Don't ask me what I think someone else thinks and what I think about it.


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Funny, I thought they were were intended to complete a self-fulfilling prophecy.

This should be interesting Gandalf. What prophecy?

Okay, FD. Do you want to oppress the bastards?

A simple  yes or no will suffice.

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 9:36pm:

Here's a tip Gandalf. If you want to know what I think, ask me what I think.

Good point FD, ooh here's one I have already - you might have heard it before:


polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 9:03pm:

Do you think sprint and soren's ban them, deport them mantra is a threat to freedom and democracy?

And while you’re answering those,FD, do you want to ban religious Freeeeeedom?

A simple yes or no, thanks.

Its bizarre, thats the second time FD interpreted my question about *HIS* opinion as asking him to interpret someone elses opinion.

Its almost like he's deliberately trying to evade.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 9:03am:

Its bizarre, thats the second time FD interpreted my question about *HIS* opinion as asking him to interpret someone elses opinion. Its almost like he's deliberately trying to evade.

He couldn't possibly be doing that, G. That's a Muslim tactic.

No, FD will be along soon to answer our important questions about Freeeeeeedom. He's probably just busy or something.

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Lets go one step at a time then. Do you think sprint and soren's ban them, deport them mantra is a threat to freedom and democracy?

Good question, do people have the right to form an opinion of a certain group / cult / mentality / religious doctrine, which they perceive to be absolutely inhumane, evil and totally incompatible with a modern day civilization?

below are a few extracts sourced from the innumerable texts in the qur'an, which all have the self same shibboleth in islamic society and doctrine 

Consider just a fraction of islamic instructs.

qur'an 8.67It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made a great slaughter in the land

Perfectly clear muhammad making excuses for his psychotic blood lust.

qur'an 3.151 We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve because they ascribe unto Allah partners,[/b]

Again perfectly clear, terrorize people in particular Christians. ( they ascribe a partner Christ to their god Y.H.W. H.) it's worth noting that muslims deliberately lie with this verse Christians did  not worship allah.

qur'an 4.74: Let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other.

Clear as crystal sell your life is the command to commit suicide in the jihad against whoever is the enemy of choice at the moment.

qur'an 9.29: Fight those who do not believe in Allah

Self explanatory.

qur'an 9.39: Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place;

Self explanatory also, allah demands that muslims become killers or he will punish them and put other muslims in their place.

qur'an 9.111: Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain

The sacred duty of muslims is to kill and be killed.

Now the question is: should this  hate / filth  / perversion masquerading as sacred doctrine be exposed, castigated, ridiculed and denigrated for exactly what it is (an unholy cult of spiritual and physical destruction degeneracy and depravity)?

Why are muslims and their apologists afraid to examine islam?

islam preaches hatred of those the muslim opposes, yet they and their apologists, demand that those they hate must be rendered powerless to resist and expose the evilness of the islam / apologists duo.

However truth will win in the end, muslims are what they are, they cannot change, they are on the downhill path (look at the muslim world right now, after untold $trillions of oil money and the benefit of hindsight) muslims are the sewer of the earth's civilizations. A backwards stupid inbred low intelligence sub group of society. A threat and a burden to the entire world.

The apologists are fused to the muslims by their hatred of white civilization, America, the west in general, Christianity, the jews etc..

So no matter how many lies they tell, or how much they try to oppress opposition to their perversions. Truth will eventually beat them.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 9:03pm:

I wonder if you are doing this deliberately.

Gee, you think so?


polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 9:03am:

Its almost like he's deliberately trying to evade.

noooo, not FD.  ::) ::) ::)

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 9:03pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 8:40pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 8:36pm: freediver wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 7:36pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 7:14pm: You're evading again FD. Sorry Gandalf. Perhaps you should try broadening your question and ask me to comment on everything that everyone says. No the questions i asked are fine. But if you dont feel comfortable answering thats fine, either say so or simply say nothing. Just dont pretend you're being asked something that you are not, in some apparent effort to avoid answering. I'll try to elaborate. I agree with the views that are compatible with my own. I disagree with the views that are incompatible. For some, it is ambiguous whether they are compatible, in which case I cannot say whether I agree with them. Still others I may share certain principles with, but I consider them to be an over-reaction to the current situation, eg something may be reasonable in France given their current circumstances, but unnecessary here. Others I may support in practice, but would merely phrase it differently. You may take this in reference to Yadda's posts, as well as Sprint's and Soren's. Or anyone else you can think of. I wonder if you are doing this deliberately. Lets go one step at a time then. Do you think sprint and soren's ban them, deport them mantra is a threat to freedom and democracy? Do me a favour and don't elaborate on that - just give me a straight answer.

You are not free to be a jihadi or a jihadi supporter, Gandy.  It's not your democratic right.

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:43pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 8:42pm: Soren wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 8:34pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 7:23pm: I'm sorry S - of course we all know that you would be the first to jump to the defense of a niqabi who is assaulted. right?  :D Right. I am of the vast majority of peaceful Australians.   How dare you implicate me, you racist, Australo-phobe. Grudgingly tolerating people's rights through gritted teeth might technically be "peaceful", but it is not "Australian". Isn't that how you tolerate people's right to mock Muhammed Gandalf?

Good point, FD.


Gandy's 'freedom and democracy and tolerance' mean different things when applied to Muslims and when applied to the infidel. It's like everything else in Islam. One set of rules and understanding for the sons of Mohammed, another, more constricted set for the bints of Mohammed and yet another, totally hemmed in one for the kuffar.

There simply is NO equality in freedoms or right or anything else under Islam.  The entire legal system of Islam is based on graded and codified inequality and unfreedom.


So please do not ask question about freedom and democracy. They have nuffin do do wiv Islam and therefore with you. You are enjoying them as created by other and extended to you but your system is completely opposed to them and so if you ever succeeded in implementing Islamic law, you wouldn't and couldn't extend the same rights and freedoms to others.  Don't be a hypocrite.

You really are a frightful bore S. Your entire repertoire has been reduced to bland and meaningless never ever waffle that has absolutely nothing to do with whats being discussed and entirely based on your own imaginary strawmen.

To the actual point that you referenced but completely avoided addressing, of course there is a difference in terms of Australian values between acceptance of those who deliberately set out to insult and acceptance of those who just want to mind their own business - with a particular choice of clothing. 

And here you are demanding to impose blanket punishments and discriminations on muslims in response to what white non-muslim police decided to do - and you lecture me about my incompatibility with freedom and democracy.

But don't worry S - I will accept and even defend your right to demand we dismantle our progressive society and replace it with a fascist state, but I will also stand up for my right to mock your views and expose them for what they are: fascism and totally incompatible with Australian values.

Donald Trump vid going viral in Europe:

http://pumabydesign001.com/2016/02/07/this-donald-trump-video-the-snake-is-going-viral-in-europe/

Soren wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 6:20pm:

Donald Trump vid going viral in Europe: http://pumabydesign001.com/2016/02/07/this-donald-trump-video-the-snake-is-going-viral-in-europe/

Islamophobes are funny     ;D

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 9:03am:

Its bizarre, thats the second time FD interpreted my question about *HIS* opinion as asking him to interpret someone elses opinion. Its almost like he's deliberately trying to evade.

Gandalf, is it possible for me to answer your question without forming an opinion about what Soren's and Sprint's opinions are? Or am I supposed to answer based solely on your one line description of their position?

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 5:48pm:

You really are a frightful bore S. Your entire repertoire has been reduced to bland and meaningless never ever waffle that has absolutely nothing to do with whats being discussed and entirely based on your own imaginary strawmen. To the actual point that you referenced but completely avoided addressing, of course there is a difference in terms of Australian values between acceptance of those who deliberately set out to insult and acceptance of those who just want to mind their own business - with a particular choice of clothing.  And here you are demanding to impose blanket punishments and discriminations on muslims in response to what white non-muslim police decided to do - and you lecture me about my incompatibility with freedom and democracy. But don't worry S - I will accept and even defend your right to demand we dismantle our progressive society and replace it with a fascist state, but I will also stand up for my right to mock your views and expose them for what they are: fascism and totally incompatible with Australian values.

Now now, G, fair’s fair. The old boy only decrees a different set of laws for the Muselman, bearded numpties, the tinted races, progs, PBs, postcolonialists and dirty little inverts.

I think I’ve included everyone.

Everybody else has the right to not be offended.

freediver wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 7:47pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 25th, 2016 at 9:03am: Its bizarre, thats the second time FD interpreted my question about *HIS* opinion as asking him to interpret someone elses opinion. Its almost like he's deliberately trying to evade. Gandalf, is it possible for me to answer your question without forming an opinion about what Soren's and Sprint's opinions are? Or am I supposed to answer based solely on your one line description of their position?

You’re free to answer my questions, FD. Do you want me to ask you again?

Karnal wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 8:03pm:

You’re free to answer my questions, FD. Do you want me to ask you again?

;D ;D ;D

Gandalf's remora is being patient with FD. He's happy to ask the question again.

freediver wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 7:47pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 25th, 2016 at 9:03am: Its bizarre, thats the second time FD interpreted my question about *HIS* opinion as asking him to interpret someone elses opinion. Its almost like he's deliberately trying to evade. Gandalf, is it possible for me to answer your question without forming an opinion about what Soren's and Sprint's opinions are? Or am I supposed to answer based solely on your one line description of their position?

If you're asking is it necessary to form an opinion on what someone means when they say 'ban muslim immigration' and 'deport fanily members of jihadis', then yeah i guess i am. Are such statements a little too cryptic for you? Which would be strange since you've already expressed an opinion on one of them. All im asking is if you think such calls are a threat to freedom and democracy - not what the mindset is of the people who make those calls. I have no idea why such an endeavour would confuse you now - you used to start a thread about every week by "forming an opinion" about what my or Brian's opinions were.

Yes I have already responded to one specific example you just gave - and went on to give my view on whether it is a threat to democracy.

This is the question you were trying to get me to respond to:

Do you think sprint and soren's ban them, deport them mantra is a threat to freedom and democracy?

I might as well ask if you agree with Abu's "Islam is good" mantra.

No worries. FD, do you want to ban Freeeeedom of religion?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

freediver wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 8:58pm:

Yes I have already responded to one specific example you just gave - and went on to give my view on whether it is a threat to democracy. This is the question you were trying to get me to respond to: Do you think sprint and soren's ban them, deport them mantra is a threat to freedom and democracy? I might as well ask if you agree with Abu's "Islam is good" mantra.

Do you think calling for bans on muslim immigration and deporting muslims en masse is a threat to freedom and democracy?

Simple yes or no will do.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 6:30am:

freediver wrote on Feb 25th, 2016 at 8:58pm: Yes I have already responded to one specific example you just gave - and went on to give my view on whether it is a threat to democracy. This is the question you were trying to get me to respond to: Do you think sprint and soren's ban them, deport them mantra is a threat to freedom and democracy? I might as well ask if you agree with Abu's "Islam is good" mantra. Do you think calling for bans on muslim immigration and deporting muslims en masse is a threat to freedom and democracy? Simple yes or no will do.

It could be much worse (or better, if you ask me):


The prisoners held at Gitmo are, for the most part, what is known under international law as “francs-tireurs,” non-uniformed militiamen who conduct sabotage and terrorism operations against occupation forces. Under Article 4 of the Geneva Conventions, fighters eligible for the protections extended to prisoners of war are obliged to meet several criteria, including the wearing of uniforms or fixed insignia and — here’s the rub for the Islamic State et al. — conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war. Non-uniformed militiamen and insurgents sawing the heads off of Wall Street Journal reporters do not qualify for Geneva Convention protections. They are, under the applicable international law, subject to summary execution, as are captured spies, terrorists, and the like. So: Why not shoot them?

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/431807/guantanamo-bay-detainees-why-not-shoot-them

Shoot the jihadis and deport their families.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 6:30am:

freediver wrote on Feb 25th, 2016 at 8:58pm: Yes I have already responded to one specific example you just gave - and went on to give my view on whether it is a threat to democracy. This is the question you were trying to get me to respond to: Do you think sprint and soren's ban them, deport them mantra is a threat to freedom and democracy? I might as well ask if you agree with Abu's "Islam is good" mantra. Do you think calling for bans on muslim immigration and deporting muslims en masse is a threat to freedom and democracy? Simple yes or no will do.

NO.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 6:30am:

Do you think calling for bans on muslim immigration and deporting muslims en masse is a threat to freedom and democracy? Simple yes or no will do.

Nope

er ... No.

Question 2.

Do you think having muzzies in Aust threatens our freedom and democracy ?

You know, as it does and has in every other country that has muzzies

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 6:30am:

freediver wrote on Feb 25th, 2016 at 8:58pm: Yes I have already responded to one specific example you just gave - and went on to give my view on whether it is a threat to democracy. This is the question you were trying to get me to respond to: Do you think sprint and soren's ban them, deport them mantra is a threat to freedom and democracy? I might as well ask if you agree with Abu's "Islam is good" mantra. Do you think calling for bans on muslim immigration and deporting muslims en masse is a threat to freedom and democracy? Simple yes or no will do.

Didn't you just acknowledge that I had answered this Gandalf? As I recall, you even agreed with my response, in it's entirety.

freediver wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 12:23pm:

Didn't you just acknowledge that I had answered this Gandalf?

Nope. Try again. You said nothing about whether or not such speech is a threat to freedom and democracy. If I'm wrong, show me the quote. And please make up your mind - you can't argue that you've answered the question while simultaneously arguing that you can't answer the question. You need to get a more coherent evasion strategy going.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 6:30am:

freediver wrote on Feb 25th, 2016 at 8:58pm: Yes I have already responded to one specific example you just gave - and went on to give my view on whether it is a threat to democracy. This is the question you were trying to get me to respond to: Do you think sprint and soren's ban them, deport them mantra is a threat to freedom and democracy? I might as well ask if you agree with Abu's "Islam is good" mantra. Do you think calling for bans on muslim immigration and deporting muslims en masse is a threat to freedom and democracy? Simple yes or no will do.

How is it a threat to democracy if jihadis and their supporters and enablers are deported.

It's GOOD for democracy and freedom to get rid of their violent, sworn enemies.  Hows could it possibly be a bad thing???

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 6:30am:

Do you think calling for bans on muslim immigration and deporting muslims en masse is a threat to freedom and democracy? Simple yes or no will do.

If that is the free and democratic will of the people, how could it be against freedom and democracy?



You need to get it into your head that it is OK to oppose Islam. We do not all have to like it. So you are not protected from opposition until the day Islam takes over and bans freedom and democracy.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 5:48pm:

You really are a frightful bore S. Your entire repertoire has been reduced to bland and meaningless never ever waffle that has absolutely nothing to do with whats being discussed and entirely based on your own imaginary strawmen. To the actual point that you referenced but completely avoided addressing, of course there is a difference in terms of Australian values between acceptance of those who deliberately set out to insult and acceptance of those who just want to mind their own business - with a particular choice of clothing.  And here you are demanding to impose blanket punishments and discriminations on muslims in response to what white non-muslim police decided to do - and you lecture me about my incompatibility with freedom and democracy. But don't worry S - I will accept and even defend your right to demand we dismantle our progressive society and replace it with a fascist state, but I will also stand up for my right to mock your views and expose them for what they are: fascism and totally incompatible with Australian values.

Do not pretend that the only thing that sets Muslims apart is fancy dress.  Be honest, I know it doesn't come naturally to Muslims. The problem with Muslims is NOT the stupid get-up. It's the convictions and the ideology and the identification with the jihadi cause that the fancy dress telegraphs and demonstrates.

Nobody ever bothers the Hare Krishnas because they are totally harmless, regardless of their dress. Cant's say the same about Muslims because they are not harmless.  Someone swears at a niqabi allows you to get up and squawk about it so as to ignore the murder and mayhem committed by Muslims who think the niqab and the hijab are good ideas.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 6:57pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 25th, 2016 at 6:20pm: Donald Trump vid going viral in Europe: http://pumabydesign001.com/2016/02/07/this-donald-trump-video-the-snake-is-going-viral-in-europe/ Islamophobes are funny     ;D

That poem/song perfectly captures what the Muslim refugees are doing in the West.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Vjfw7UHl_E

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 10:23am:

Question 2. Do you think having muzzies in Aust threatens our freedom and democracy ? You know, as it does and has in every other country that has muzzies

New Zealanders? I imagine that depends on the New Zealander, Sprint.

Ban them. Kill them. Cesterete them.

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 4:56pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26th, 2016 at 6:30am: Do you think calling for bans on muslim immigration and deporting muslims en masse is a threat to freedom and democracy? Simple yes or no will do. If that is the free and democratic will of the people, how could it be against freedom and democracy?

If?

It is possible to be free and democratic and be against Islam.

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:22pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 25th, 2016 at 5:48pm: You really are a frightful bore S. Your entire repertoire has been reduced to bland and meaningless never ever waffle that has absolutely nothing to do with whats being discussed and entirely based on your own imaginary strawmen. To the actual point that you referenced but completely avoided addressing, of course there is a difference in terms of Australian values between acceptance of those who deliberately set out to insult and acceptance of those who just want to mind their own business - with a particular choice of clothing.  And here you are demanding to impose blanket punishments and discriminations on muslims in response to what white non-muslim police decided to do - and you lecture me about my incompatibility with freedom and democracy. But don't worry S - I will accept and even defend your right to demand we dismantle our progressive society and replace it with a fascist state, but I will also stand up for my right to mock your views and expose them for what they are: fascism and totally incompatible with Australian values. Do not pretend that the only thing that sets Muslims apart is fancy dress.  Be honest, I know it doesn't come naturally to Muslims. The problem with Muslims is NOT the stupid get-up. It's the convictions and the ideology and the identification with the jihadi cause that the fancy dress telegraphs and demonstrates. Nobody ever bothers the Hare Krishnas because they are totally harmless, regardless of their dress. Cant's say the same about Muslims because they are not harmless.  Someone swears at a niqabi allows you to get up and squawk about it so as to ignore the murder and mayhem committed by Muslims who think the niqab and the hijab are good ideas.

Hey, the Hare Krishnas are great. Good food, catchy song, cool clothes.

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:33pm:

It is possible to be free and democratic and be against Islam.

It most certainly is, old boy. It’s not possible to speak of Freeeeeeedom while you seek unconstitutional methods to ban religion. It goes against every Enlightenment principle modern Western thought is based upon.

You are, of course, a Voltairean. Most liberal of you, dear chap.

Oppress the bastards.

Karnal wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:37pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 26th, 2016 at 5:33pm: It is possible to be free and democratic and be against Islam. It most certainly is, old boy. It’s not possible to speak of Freeeeeeedom while you seek unconstitutional methods to ban religion. It goes against every Enlightenment principle modern Western thought is based upon. You are, of course, a Voltairean. Most liberal of you, dear chap. Oppress the bastards.

Islam is a religion like Marxist Leninist Communism is a religion or Nazism is a religion. They all insist on not separating the personal from the political, the public from the private, the heart from the mind. They all insist on the supremacy of their beliefs over all others and that THAT gives them a mandate for political domination.

And they all exploit ruthless the namby-pamby useful idiots and fellow-travellers like you. In 1933 you would have been hot for Herr Hitler's democratic mandate in the name of freeeeeeeedom and democracy. But opposing monsters is verboten in your book of freeeeeedom and democracy.

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 6:10pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 26th, 2016 at 5:37pm: Soren wrote on Feb 26th, 2016 at 5:33pm: It is possible to be free and democratic and be against Islam. It most certainly is, old boy. It’s not possible to speak of Freeeeeeedom while you seek unconstitutional methods to ban religion. It goes against every Enlightenment principle modern Western thought is based upon. You are, of course, a Voltairean. Most liberal of you, dear chap. Oppress the bastards. Islam is a religion like Marxist Leninist Communism is a religion or Nazism is a religion. They all insist on not separating the personal from the political, the public from the private, the heart from the mind. They all insist on the supremacy of their beliefs over all others and that THAT gives them a mandate for political domination. And they all exploit ruthless the namby-pamby useful nice people and fellow-travellers like you. In 1933 you would have been hot for Herr Hitler's democratic mandate in the name of freeeeeeeedom and democracy. But opposing monsters is verboten in your book of freeeeeedom and democracy.

I see. Well, we’ll test your thesis on our resident Muselman.

G, do you subscribe to any of the old boy’s theology?

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 1:46pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 26th, 2016 at 12:23pm: Didn't you just acknowledge that I had answered this Gandalf? Nope. Try again. You said nothing about whether or not such speech is a threat to freedom and democracy. If I'm wrong, show me the quote. And please make up your mind - you can't argue that you've answered the question while simultaneously arguing that you can't answer the question. You need to get a more coherent evasion strategy going.

I said that bans on immigration are not a threat to freedom and democracy. It should go without saying that such speech is also not a threat. Like I keep telling you, instead of going through awefully convoluted ways to work in someone else's opinion, just ask what I think.

Karnal wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 6:43pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 26th, 2016 at 6:10pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 26th, 2016 at 5:37pm: Soren wrote on Feb 26th, 2016 at 5:33pm: It is possible to be free and democratic and be against Islam. It most certainly is, old boy. It’s not possible to speak of Freeeeeeedom while you seek unconstitutional methods to ban religion. It goes against every Enlightenment principle modern Western thought is based upon. You are, of course, a Voltairean. Most liberal of you, dear chap. Oppress the bastards. Islam is a religion like Marxist Leninist Communism is a religion or Nazism is a religion. They all insist on not separating the personal from the political, the public from the private, the heart from the mind. They all insist on the supremacy of their beliefs over all others and that THAT gives them a mandate for political domination. And they all exploit ruthless the namby-pamby useful nice people and fellow-travellers like you. In 1933 you would have been hot for Herr Hitler's democratic mandate in the name of freeeeeeeedom and democracy. But opposing monsters is verboten in your book of freeeeeedom and democracy. I see. Well, we’ll test your thesis on our resident Muselman. G, do you subscribe to any of the old boy’s theology?

Yeah, let the sons of Mohammed decide which aspects of Freeeeeedom an democracy apply to them and which don't.


Ingenious.  Your idea? Or is his hand up your arse, moving your lips?

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:23pm:

Ingenious.  Your idea? Or is his hand up your arse, moving your lips?

;D ;D ;D

Probably something else is up his arse, but let's not go there. OzPolitic is rated as a Family Program.

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:23pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 26th, 2016 at 6:43pm: Soren wrote on Feb 26th, 2016 at 6:10pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 26th, 2016 at 5:37pm: Soren wrote on Feb 26th, 2016 at 5:33pm: It is possible to be free and democratic and be against Islam. It most certainly is, old boy. It’s not possible to speak of Freeeeeeedom while you seek unconstitutional methods to ban religion. It goes against every Enlightenment principle modern Western thought is based upon. You are, of course, a Voltairean. Most liberal of you, dear chap. Oppress the bastards. Islam is a religion like Marxist Leninist Communism is a religion or Nazism is a religion. They all insist on not separating the personal from the political, the public from the private, the heart from the mind. They all insist on the supremacy of their beliefs over all others and that THAT gives them a mandate for political domination. And they all exploit ruthless the namby-pamby useful nice people and fellow-travellers like you. In 1933 you would have been hot for Herr Hitler's democratic mandate in the name of freeeeeeeedom and democracy. But opposing monsters is verboten in your book of freeeeeedom and democracy. I see. Well, we’ll test your thesis on our resident Muselman. G, do you subscribe to any of the old boy’s theology? Yeah, let the sons of Mohammed decide which aspects of Freeeeeedom an democracy apply to them and which don't. Ingenious.  Your idea? Or is his hand up your arse, moving your lips?

But our Muselman hasn’t commented yet, dear chap. Let’s see whether they all insist on not separating the personal from the political.before we make up our minds, shall we?

I know I don’t, but I’m.hardly a son of Muhammed. Personally, I find Islam a bit of a bore, but that’s just me. I guess you could say I’m a Voltarean, no?

G will settle this once and for all. If he says he believes in killing infidels in the name of submission, you’ll apologise and we’ll all make friends like good Englishmen. Deal?

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:27pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 26th, 2016 at 8:23pm: Ingenious.  Your idea? Or is his hand up your arse, moving your lips? ;D ;D ;D Probably something else is up his arse, but let's not go there. OzPolitic is rated as a Family Program.

Good point. The old boy had his tongue up there only last week. I really should get it checked.

If I may be so bold, Herb, so should you. I believe I inseminated.

I’m sure you’ll make a great mother - in the fullness of time.

Karnal wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 9:35pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26th, 2016 at 8:27pm: Soren wrote on Feb 26th, 2016 at 8:23pm: Ingenious.  Your idea? Or is his hand up your arse, moving your lips? ;D ;D ;D Probably something else is up his arse, but let's not go there. OzPolitic is rated as a Family Program. Good point. The old boy had his tongue up there only last week. I really should get it checked. If I may be so bold, Herb, so should you. I believe I inseminated. I’m sure you’ll make a great mother - in the fullness of time.

I know, I know. We're ever cautioned about feeding the trolls.

But really, does anyone else find this sort of badinage even faintly amusing?

Is it a frustrated pederast or a thwarted pedophile?

Never got over that secondary education, did we?  ;D ;D

Lionel Edriess wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 10:33pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 26th, 2016 at 9:35pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26th, 2016 at 8:27pm: Soren wrote on Feb 26th, 2016 at 8:23pm: Ingenious.  Your idea? Or is his hand up your arse, moving your lips? ;D ;D ;D Probably something else is up his arse, but let's not go there. OzPolitic is rated as a Family Program. Good point. The old boy had his tongue up there only last week. I really should get it checked. If I may be so bold, Herb, so should you. I believe I inseminated. I’m sure you’ll make a great mother - in the fullness of time. I know, I know. We're ever cautioned about feeding the trolls. But really, does anyone else find this sort of badinage even faintly amusing? Is it a frustrated pederast or a thwarted pedophile? Never got over that secondary education, did we?  ;D ;D

We most certainly did not.

If you don’t mind me saying, Lionel, you seem a little touchy about something.

Was it the meat?

Karnal wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 10:45pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Feb 26th, 2016 at 10:33pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 26th, 2016 at 9:35pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26th, 2016 at 8:27pm: Soren wrote on Feb 26th, 2016 at 8:23pm: Ingenious.  Your idea? Or is his hand up your arse, moving your lips? ;D ;D ;D Probably something else is up his arse, but let's not go there. OzPolitic is rated as a Family Program. Good point. The old boy had his tongue up there only last week. I really should get it checked. If I may be so bold, Herb, so should you. I believe I inseminated. I’m sure you’ll make a great mother - in the fullness of time. I know, I know. We're ever cautioned about feeding the trolls. But really, does anyone else find this sort of badinage even faintly amusing? Is it a frustrated pederast or a thwarted pedophile? Never got over that secondary education, did we?  ;D ;D We most certainly did not. If you don’t mind me saying, Lionel, you seem a little touchy about something. Was it the meat?

Nah! Merely your attitude, dear.

Us oldsters are fed up with the entitled generation. Also the Bruce Jenner supporters, the Greenies, the anti-nuke symps, the 'alternative power' pushers, the apologists for slack parenting, etc. etc. You may celebrate the fact that civilized Western society is imploding because of feel-good policies supposedly enacted to protect the disadvantaged in our own societies, but what I witness is the gradual imposition of the NWO at the expense of the 'greater good'.

And you support what you cannot understand because you are blinded by the rhetoric of the MSM.

Have a little think, dear. Join a few dots.

Opposition to factual evidence is nothing new. The social experiment, conducted by Government, with multiculturalism, has just about run its course. It sucks! And it creates more divisions than it solves.

Then again, we have 'beliebers' like yourself who swallow the Kool-Aid and support the dilution of civilized, Westernised societies worldwide, while bleating 'care for the needy'.

Here's news, sugar: the poor have been suffering for the last 50 years, or longer. Africa has been a hell-hole since I began to read. After all the BandAids, what's changed?

Pussy is always drawn to the smelliest plate, I've witnessed it myself.

Are you denying your own inherent, and instinctive, predilections?

freediver wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 7:11pm:

I said that bans on immigration are not a threat to freedom and democracy. It should go without saying that such speech is also not a threat.

au contraire - it most certainly does not go without saying.

Bringing up blanket muslim ban proposals in response to nothing that any muslim did, along with blanket statements like "their (muslims) presence is completely detrimental" is a threat to people's freedom IMO. Its the same line of discussion that ends up with "deport them". It is anything but a rational discussion on immigration policy. It is hate speech.

Let me know when you figure out what your question is.

freediver wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 7:51am:

Let me know when you figure out what your question is.

Ask Karnal. He'll know the question even before Gandalf does.

(Masterful rebuff, Lionel).

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 4:06pm:

I was not surprised at sprint's post. I was surprised at the bloke getting arrested for the pig hat.

Yep!

My little girl has a few funny hats .....one is similar to that.

Just as well she wasn't in that crowd  :(

freediver wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 7:51am:

Let me know when you figure out what your question is.

Exactly what I asked.

But I'll take your non-answer as your way of saying that you would never think that Soren and Sprint's "ban them, deport them" mantra could ever be a threat to people's freedom.

Gandalf, don't you think it's weird how all these hordes of Muslims are NOT fleeing to other Muslim countries who have lots of money?

Doesn't Islam permit Muslims helping fellow Muslims?

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 7:56am:

freediver wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 7:51am: Let me know when you figure out what your question is. Ask Karnal. He'll know the question even before Gandalf does. (Masterful rebuff, Lionel).

Thanks, Herb.

FD, do you want to end freedom of religion?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 8:30am:

freediver wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 7:51am: Let me know when you figure out what your question is. Exactly what I asked. But I'll take your non-answer as your way of saying that you would never think that Soren and Sprint's "ban them, deport them" mantra could ever be a threat to people's freedom.

Feel free to quote me Gandalf.

Don’t want to answer the question?

Karnal wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 9:13am:

Don’t want to answer the question?

FD's silence is very eloquent.

Take the hint - Freediver wants to talk to the organ grinder, and not the monkey.

He might flip you a peanut later on when he has finished discoursing with the organ grinder.

Now stop chattering and be quiet.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 9:19am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 9:13am: Don’t want to answer the question? FD's silence is very eloquent. Take the hint - Freediver wants to talk to the organ grinder, and not the monkey. He might flip you a peanut later on when he has finished discoursing with the organ grinder. Now stop chattering and be quiet.

Good to see FD’s stance defended by a Nazi, Herbie, but let’s not get political. We all know FD doesn’t want to discuss the cornerstone of Western liberal democracy - freedom of religion - because he doesn’t want to expose his views.

No worries. As an old National Action supporter, what do you think of religious freeedom? Are you, like Hitler, happy to overturn the constitution, the parliament and the rule of law to kill them, ban them and oppress them?

Answer at your leisure, Herbie. FD’s gone back to bed.

Karnal wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 9:27am:

No worries. As an old National Action supporter, what do you think of religious freeedom? Are you, like Hitler, happy to overturn the constitution, the parliament and the rule of law to kill them, ban them and oppress them? Answer at your leisure, Herbie. FD’s gone back to bed.

As someone who believes religion is child-abuse when it's not restricted to Adults Only, it's therefore not necessary for me to give a long-winded answer to your excellent question.

I will say, however, that banning religion does nothing more than drive it underground where it festers like a boil on the national arse.

Not all religions are the same - and those religions which give sanction to acts of violence and seditious conspiracies should be eliminated, root-and-branch.

Deporting the members back to their countries of origin (with suitable compensation) would be part of my manifesto at this particular time when historically Islam has only just taken up residence in Western societies.

   

An informed, sincere response Herb. Thanks for that.

Do you concur, FD?

Karnal wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 10:41am:

An informed, sincere response Herb. Thanks for that. Do you concur, FD?

Democracy doesn't mean an anarchy of choice. True democracy is, OF COURSE, tantamount to anarchy.

In a democracy you can't have anything and everything you want simply because you WANT it.

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr96/Herbert_04/lollies.png

But you can practice your religion. That’s the very definition of liberalism, Herb.

I think FD might have forgotten, don’t you?

Karnal wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 10:54am:

But you can practice your religion. That’s the very definition of liberalism, Herb. I think FD might have forgotten, don’t you?

Sorry - but I've eliminated Islam by removing the congregation BACK to their Muslim-majority societies - heavily compensated through the sale of all the assets owned by a few generations of the political criminals who told Enoch Powell to get stuffed before then embarking upon an aggressive immigration policy that was designed to Change the Face of Britain and seed every suburb in the country with blacks and Muslims.

Right now Bali is a powder keg of potential religious mass-murder.

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 8:43am:

Gandalf, don't you think it's weird how all these hordes of Muslims are NOT fleeing to other Muslim countries who have lots of money? Doesn't Islam permit Muslims helping fellow Muslims?

Except of course the ~4 million or so Syrians who fled to muslim neighbouring countries right?

Quick question for you Lisa, who do you think has settled the most muslim refugees?

a) muslim countries like Pakistan and Jordan?
or
b) western European countries?

freediver wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 9:11am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 8:30am: freediver wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 7:51am: Let me know when you figure out what your question is. Exactly what I asked. But I'll take your non-answer as your way of saying that you would never think that Soren and Sprint's "ban them, deport them" mantra could ever be a threat to people's freedom. Feel free to quote me Gandalf.

Quote you not answering? Fantastic idea FD.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 11:45am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 8:43am: Gandalf, don't you think it's weird how all these hordes of Muslims are NOT fleeing to other Muslim countries who have lots of money? Doesn't Islam permit Muslims helping fellow Muslims? Except of course the ~4 million or so Syrians who fled to muslim neighbouring countries right? Quick question for you Lisa, who do you think has settled the most muslim refugees? a) muslim countries like Pakistan and Jordan? or b) western European countries?

Don't be duped by this deceitful answer, Lisa. He's moved the goal post.

The question is NOT about which countries have taken the most Muslim economic migrants, but WHY do these selfsame people head for a Western civilisation rather than an Islam-saturated Middle Eastern country where their religious indoctrination would find a sympathetic public.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 11:15am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 10:54am: But you can practice your religion. That’s the very definition of liberalism, Herb. I think FD might have forgotten, don’t you? Sorry - but I've eliminated Islam by removing the congregation BACK to their Muslim-majority societies - heavily compensated through the sale of all the assets owned by a few generations of the political criminals who told Enoch Powell to get stuffed before then embarking upon an aggressive immigration policy that was designed to Change the Face of Britain and seed every suburb in the country with blacks and Muslims. Right now Bali is a powder keg of potential religious mass-murder.

Enoch Powell was a Pommie Nazi, Herbie - like yourself. As you’ve stated, you reserve the right to ban.religions yourself. Our constitution, however, prevents this from.happening without a revolution or coup.

Now as an old Nazi, we know you’re in favour of these sorts of measures. FD, however, claims to stand for liberal democracy. It is, he says, the very reason he started this site.

Your views are consistent, Herbie. You were welcomed into this country and resettled, only to call for a fascist revolution, the race traitors who welcomed you being dealt with in.the fullness of time. Hence, you’re free to say what you think. Few Australians will ever listen or share your views.

FD is free to express himself too, but he chooses not to. FD won’t come out and say that he’s abandoned liberal ideas, he’ll just keep pretending while, deep down, he actually agrees with you.

Can you give FD a link to Stormfront, Herbie? Yadda’s already put him on to Islamthereligionofpeace.

Hopefully, FD will one day tell us what he truly thinks - in the fullness of time.

Karnal wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 12:04pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 11:15am: Karnal wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 10:54am: But you can practice your religion. That’s the very definition of liberalism, Herb. I think FD might have forgotten, don’t you? Sorry - but I've eliminated Islam by removing the congregation BACK to their Muslim-majority societies - heavily compensated through the sale of all the assets owned by a few generations of the political criminals who told Enoch Powell to get stuffed before then embarking upon an aggressive immigration policy that was designed to Change the Face of Britain and seed every suburb in the country with blacks and Muslims. Right now Bali is a powder keg of potential religious mass-murder. Enoch Powell was a Pommie Nazi, Herbie - like yourself. As you’ve stated, you reserve the right to ban.religions yourself. Our constitution, however, prevents this from.happening without a revolution or coup. Now as an old Nazi, we know you’re in favour of these sorts of measures. FD, however, claims to stand for liberal democracy. It is, he says, the very reason he started this site. Your views are consistent, Herbie. You were welcomed into this country and resettled, only to call for a fascist revolution, the race traitors who welcomed you being dealt with in.the fullness of time. Hence, you’re free to say what you think. Few Australians will ever listen or share your views. FD is free to express himself too, but he chooses not to. FD won’t come out and say that he’s abandoned liberal ideas, he’ll just keep pretending while, deep down, he actually agrees with you. Can you give FD a link to Stormfront, Herbie? Yadda’s already put him on to Islamthereligionofpeace. Hopefully, FD will one day tell us what he truly thinks - in the fullness of time.

I'm nothing more to the Right than an old time Conservative of the sort that gave Europe back its democracy, its sovereignty, and its FREEDOM from Hitler's expansionist adventures which he played like a board game. 

I will, however, agree that FD is WAY to the Left of me as demonstrated by his tolerance of the board being infested with trolls, vandals, graffiti artists, and floaters who just can't be flushed away like 'Wet Wipes' can.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 11:45am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 8:43am: Gandalf, don't you think it's weird how all these hordes of Muslims are NOT fleeing to other Muslim countries who have lots of money? Doesn't Islam permit Muslims helping fellow Muslims? Except of course the ~4 million or so Syrians who fled to muslim neighbouring countries right? Quick question for you Lisa, who do you think has settled the most muslim refugees? a) muslim countries like Pakistan and Jordan? or b) western European countries?

b) Western European countries.


Muslim countries do not settle refugees. The Palestinian refugees are still not settled in any Muslim country, 70 years on.





No Western country has improved as a result of Muslim immigration and quite a few (the ones with large numbers) deteriorated considerably. This is at the crux of this thread - what good is mass Muslim immigration if its net effect everywhere is negative?

Soren wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 4:37pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 11:45am: Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 8:43am: Gandalf, don't you think it's weird how all these hordes of Muslims are NOT fleeing to other Muslim countries who have lots of money? Doesn't Islam permit Muslims helping fellow Muslims? Except of course the ~4 million or so Syrians who fled to muslim neighbouring countries right? Quick question for you Lisa, who do you think has settled the most muslim refugees? a) muslim countries like Pakistan and Jordan? or b) western European countries? b) Western European countries. Muslim countries do not settle refugees. The Palestinian refugees are still not settled in any Muslim country, 70 years on. No Western country has improved as a result of Muslim immigration and quite a few (the ones with large numbers) deteriorated considerably. This is at the crux of this thread - what good is mass Muslim immigration if its net effect everywhere is negative?

Quibbling over the therm "settlement", are we? What a shifty, evasive, yeah-but-no-but arse-coverer you are, OB. How postmodern of you.

Six million refugees in Turkey and Lebanon. One and a half million refugees in Pakistan. A quarter of Lebanon's population are now Syrians. After Africa, most of the world's refugee population are in Muslim countries.

What a mendacious little coooont you are.

Karnal wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 5:08pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 4:37pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 11:45am: Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 8:43am: Gandalf, don't you think it's weird how all these hordes of Muslims are NOT fleeing to other Muslim countries who have lots of money? Doesn't Islam permit Muslims helping fellow Muslims? Except of course the ~4 million or so Syrians who fled to muslim neighbouring countries right? Quick question for you Lisa, who do you think has settled the most muslim refugees? a) muslim countries like Pakistan and Jordan? or b) western European countries? b) Western European countries. Muslim countries do not settle refugees. The Palestinian refugees are still not settled in any Muslim country, 70 years on. No Western country has improved as a result of Muslim immigration and quite a few (the ones with large numbers) deteriorated considerably. This is at the crux of this thread - what good is mass Muslim immigration if its net effect everywhere is negative? Quibbling over the therm "settlement", are we? What a shifty, evasive, yeah-but-no-but arse-coverer you are, OB. How postmodern of you. Six million refugees in Turkey and Lebanon. One and a half million refugees in Pakistan. A quarter of Lebanon's population are now Syrians. After Africa, most of the world's refugee population are in Muslim countries. What a mendacious little coooont you are.

It is a very important distinction: asylum (ie temporary protection visa) and settlement (permanency).

Don't pretend you don't know the HUGE significance of the difference.

Soren wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 6:09pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 5:08pm: Soren wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 4:37pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 11:45am: Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 8:43am: Gandalf, don't you think it's weird how all these hordes of Muslims are NOT fleeing to other Muslim countries who have lots of money? Doesn't Islam permit Muslims helping fellow Muslims? Except of course the ~4 million or so Syrians who fled to muslim neighbouring countries right? Quick question for you Lisa, who do you think has settled the most muslim refugees? a) muslim countries like Pakistan and Jordan? or b) western European countries? b) Western European countries. Muslim countries do not settle refugees. The Palestinian refugees are still not settled in any Muslim country, 70 years on. No Western country has improved as a result of Muslim immigration and quite a few (the ones with large numbers) deteriorated considerably. This is at the crux of this thread - what good is mass Muslim immigration if its net effect everywhere is negative? Quibbling over the therm "settlement", are we? What a shifty, evasive, yeah-but-no-but arse-coverer you are, OB. How postmodern of you. Six million refugees in Turkey and Lebanon. One and a half million refugees in Pakistan. A quarter of Lebanon's population are now Syrians. After Africa, most of the world's refugee population are in Muslim countries. What a mendacious little coooont you are. It is a very important distinction: asylum (ie temporary protection visa) and settlement (permanency). Don't pretend you don't know the HUGE significance of the difference.

What a tendentious old tjurd you are, OB. Don't pretend Muslim countries don't take the bulk of the world's refugees, you stoopid, stoopid idjit.

It is a jolly world, no?

Soren wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 4:37pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 11:45am: Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 8:43am: Gandalf, don't you think it's weird how all these hordes of Muslims are NOT fleeing to other Muslim countries who have lots of money? Doesn't Islam permit Muslims helping fellow Muslims? Except of course the ~4 million or so Syrians who fled to muslim neighbouring countries right? Quick question for you Lisa, who do you think has settled the most muslim refugees? a) muslim countries like Pakistan and Jordan? or b) western European countries? b) Western European countries. Muslim countries do not settle refugees. The Palestinian refugees are still not settled in any Muslim country, 70 years on. No Western country has improved as a result of Muslim immigration and quite a few (the ones with large numbers) deteriorated considerably. This is at the crux of this thread - what good is mass Muslim immigration if its net effect everywhere is negative?

Agreed

Soren wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 4:37pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 11:45am: Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 8:43am: Gandalf, don't you think it's weird how all these hordes of Muslims are NOT fleeing to other Muslim countries who have lots of money? Doesn't Islam permit Muslims helping fellow Muslims? Except of course the ~4 million or so Syrians who fled to muslim neighbouring countries right? Quick question for you Lisa, who do you think has settled the most muslim refugees? a) muslim countries like Pakistan and Jordan? or b) western European countries? b) Western European countries. Muslim countries do not settle refugees. The Palestinian refugees are still not settled in any Muslim country, 70 years on.

What rubbish. Half of Jordans population are palestinian refugees, fully resettled, integrated Jordanian citizens.

Stupid or mendacious? Mendacious or stupid?

Which views do you defend for Freeeedom, FD? Herbie's Nazism, the old boy's lies or Sprint's agreement with them both?

Remember, sometimes a question is just a question.

But an answer - boy, that's something else.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 8:54pm:

What rubbish. Half of Jordans population are palestinian refugees, fully resettled, integrated Jordanian citizens.

Bollocks. Says who? Er.. the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees (UNRWA):


WHERE DO PALESTINE REFUGEES LIVE?

Nearly one-third of the registered Palestine refugees, more than 1.5 million individuals, live in 58 recognized Palestine refugee camps in Jordan, Lebanon, the Syrian Arab Republic, the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem.

A Palestine refugee camp is defined as a plot of land placed at the disposal of UNRWA by the host government to accommodate Palestine refugees and set up facilities to cater to their needs. Areas not designated as such and are not recognized as camps. However, UNRWA also maintains schools, health centres and distribution centres in areas outside the recognized camps where Palestine refugees are concentrated, such as Yarmouk, near Damascus.

The plots of land on which the recognized camps were set up are either state land or, in most cases, land leased by the host government from local landowners. This means that the refugees in camps do not 'own' the land on which their shelters were built, but have the right to 'use' the land for a residence.

Socioeconomic conditions in the camps are generally poor, with high population density, cramped living conditions and inadequate basic infrastructure such as roads and sewers.

RESPONSIBILITY OF UNRWA IN CAMPS

The responsibility  of UNRWA in Palestine refugee camps is limited to providing services and administering its installations. The Agency does not own, administer or police the camps, as this is the responsibility of the host authorities.

UNRWA has a camp services office in each camp, which the residents visit to update their records or to raise issues relating to Agency services with the Camp Services Officer (CSO). The CSO, in turn, refers refugee concerns and petitions to the UNRWA administration in the area in which the camp is located.

1967 HOSTILITIES

In the aftermath of the hostilities of June 1967 and the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, ten camps were established to accommodate a new wave of displaced persons, both refugees and non-refugees.

CITIES AND TOWNS

The remaining two thirds of registered Palestine refugees live in and around the cities and towns of the host countries, and in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, often in the environs of official camps. While most of UNRWA's installations such as schools and health centres are located in the Palestine refugee camps, a number are outside; all of the Agency’s services are available to all registered Palestine refugees, including those who do not live in the camps.
http://www.unrwa.org/palestine-refugees

Soren wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 8:40am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 8:54pm: What rubbish. Half of Jordans population are palestinian refugees, fully resettled, integrated Jordanian citizens. Bollocks. Says who? Er.. the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees (UNRWA): WHERE DO PALESTINE REFUGEES LIVE? Nearly one-third of the registered Palestine refugees, more than 1.5 million individuals, live in 58 recognized Palestine refugee camps in Jordan, Lebanon, the Syrian Arab Republic, the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem. A Palestine refugee camp is defined as a plot of land placed at the disposal of UNRWA by the host government to accommodate Palestine refugees and set up facilities to cater to their needs. Areas not designated as such and are not recognized as camps. However, UNRWA also maintains schools, health centres and distribution centres in areas outside the recognized camps where Palestine refugees are concentrated, such as Yarmouk, near Damascus. The plots of land on which the recognized camps were set up are either state land or, in most cases, land leased by the host government from local landowners. This means that the refugees in camps do not 'own' the land on which their shelters were built, but have the right to 'use' the land for a residence. Socioeconomic conditions in the camps are generally poor, with high population density, cramped living conditions and inadequate basic infrastructure such as roads and sewers. RESPONSIBILITY OF UNRWA IN CAMPS The responsibility  of UNRWA in Palestine refugee camps is limited to providing services and administering its installations. The Agency does not own, administer or police the camps, as this is the responsibility of the host authorities. UNRWA has a camp services office in each camp, which the residents visit to update their records or to raise issues relating to Agency services with the Camp Services Officer (CSO). The CSO, in turn, refers refugee concerns and petitions to the UNRWA administration in the area in which the camp is located. 1967 HOSTILITIES In the aftermath of the hostilities of June 1967 and the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, ten camps were established to accommodate a new wave of displaced persons, both refugees and non-refugees. CITIES AND TOWNS The remaining two thirds of registered Palestine refugees live in and around the cities and towns of the host countries, and in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, often in the environs of official camps. While most of UNRWA's installations such as schools and health centres are located in the Palestine refugee camps, a number are outside; all of the Agency’s services are available to all registered Palestine refugees, including those who do not live in the camps. http://www.unrwa.org/palestine-refugees

Ask the old boy about Muslim countries taking refugees again, Lisa.

His response will be as follows:

Ijit. Tjurd. Cooooont.

Soren wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 8:40am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 8:54pm: What rubbish. Half of Jordans population are palestinian refugees, fully resettled, integrated Jordanian citizens. Bollocks. Says who? Er.. the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees (UNRWA): WHERE DO PALESTINE REFUGEES LIVE? Nearly one-third of the registered Palestine refugees, more than 1.5 million individuals, live in 58 recognized Palestine refugee camps in Jordan, Lebanon, the Syrian Arab Republic, the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem. A Palestine refugee camp is defined as a plot of land placed at the disposal of UNRWA by the host government to accommodate Palestine refugees and set up facilities to cater to their needs. Areas not designated as such and are not recognized as camps. However, UNRWA also maintains schools, health centres and distribution centres in areas outside the recognized camps where Palestine refugees are concentrated, such as Yarmouk, near Damascus. The plots of land on which the recognized camps were set up are either state land or, in most cases, land leased by the host government from local landowners. This means that the refugees in camps do not 'own' the land on which their shelters were built, but have the right to 'use' the land for a residence. Socioeconomic conditions in the camps are generally poor, with high population density, cramped living conditions and inadequate basic infrastructure such as roads and sewers. RESPONSIBILITY OF UNRWA IN CAMPS The responsibility  of UNRWA in Palestine refugee camps is limited to providing services and administering its installations. The Agency does not own, administer or police the camps, as this is the responsibility of the host authorities. UNRWA has a camp services office in each camp, which the residents visit to update their records or to raise issues relating to Agency services with the Camp Services Officer (CSO). The CSO, in turn, refers refugee concerns and petitions to the UNRWA administration in the area in which the camp is located. 1967 HOSTILITIES In the aftermath of the hostilities of June 1967 and the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, ten camps were established to accommodate a new wave of displaced persons, both refugees and non-refugees. CITIES AND TOWNS The remaining two thirds of registered Palestine refugees live in and around the cities and towns of the host countries, and in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, often in the environs of official camps. While most of UNRWA's installations such as schools and health centres are located in the Palestine refugee camps, a number are outside; all of the Agency’s services are available to all registered Palestine refugees, including those who do not live in the camps. http://www.unrwa.org/palestine-refugees

Quote:

Palestinians in Jordan refers to people with Palestinian citizenship of Palestinian refugee status living in Jordan or sometimes all those of full or partial Palestinian ancestry living in Jordan. Most Palestinian ancestors came to Jordan as Palestinian refugees between 1947 to 1967. Today, most Palestinians and their descendants in Jordan are fully naturalized, making Jordan the only Arab country to fully integrate the Palestinian refugees of 1948

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians_in_Jordan

;D

Who are you going to believe? Wiki or the UN agency for Pallos??

Soren wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 5:29pm:

;D Who are you going to believe? Wiki or the UN agency for Pallos??

We’ll believe you, old boy.

Cooooont.

Faark me soren, are you really disputing this?

Most Palestinians in Jordan who are descendants of the 1940s exodus are fully naturalised. Everyone except you knows this. And your unrwa pamphlet doesnt contradict this fact - suggest you read it a bit more carefully.

Why didn't any other Arab country naturalise them?

freediver wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 8:14pm:

Why didn't any other Arab country naturalise them?

You’re about to answer qurstions, aren’t you?

Never mind they will all be able to go back and start killing Jews soon, the blood crazed psycho muhammad said so.

Sahih Bukhari Hadith Narrated by 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.'" Sahih Bukhari Hadith Narrated by Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

I mean for goodness sake the muslim is a beautiful example of mankind for us all to follow.

Just look at what they are right here right now, one deformed nutcase 1400 years ago, to 1.5 billion self induced psychopathic nutcases today.

All it took was a book full of commands to rape, torture and kill everyone you disagree with, plus the promise of going to paradise full of houri's with big breasts and little boys wth eyes like pearls perpetually fresh to accommodate the sexual lusts of the muslim killers.

Then we have the apologist weirdos all trying their best to keep the muzzies exactly where they are now (the sewerage of humanity).

Well that's exactly where they are going to stay, because they are too stupid to look inwards and fix their own problems.

Eventuall the truth about islam will overcome the conglomeration of evil (islam / allah / muhammad / qur'an / hadi'th).

Islam will implode with more of the same, only on a gigantic scale which  will make today's islamic bloodshed look like a sunday school picnic.

We can expect the muslims and the apologists to step up their campaign of hate against the west, Christians, America, Jews etc.

In the future, they will do / say anything, no matter how fallaciously perverse it is, rather than admit they are wrong.

Time will tell it all

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 8:07pm:

Faark me soren, are you really disputing this? Most Palestinians in Jordan who are descendants of the 1940s exodus are fully naturalised. Everyone except you knows this. And your unrwa pamphlet doesnt contradict this fact - suggest you read it a bit more carefully.

Language, Gandy, language.


Sooooo.... Is Jordan the Palestinian state, then? Like it was meant to be? Or not?

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4615/jordan-palestinians

errr - a Palestinian state where the citizens are Jordanian and ruled by the Hashemites?

Makes sense  :P

freediver wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 8:14pm:

Why didn't any other Arab country naturalise them?

Because they're all terrorists.

Now now, G, we’re all Jordanians. Well, you Muselmen, anyway.

Apparently the rest of us are Danes.

John Smith wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 6:58pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2016 at 8:14pm: Why didn't any other Arab country naturalise them? Because they're all terrorists.

FD will like that answer, JS. All is forgiven.

Now you’ve been given your answer, FD, will you respond to our questions? I’m keen to hear what you think about freedom of religion. Abu said this was essential. Do you agree?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

If I had my way, I'd deport every last person who was at the Hyde Park riot, plus every last one of their relatives. I'd play 6 degrees of kevin bacon and deport every single muslim they'd ever spoken to. Cya, gone.

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Yes, Gordy, but you obviously don’t respect freedom of expression. You’d probably also ban those who advise us to kill them, burn them, cesterete them.

FD won’t appreciate that, you know. He sees this as censorship.

On the news last night... two 'Australians' a day are taken off aircraft while headed to IS-land....

Here's a well-balanced Muslim for you....

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/30975430/russia-arrests-nanny-for-decapitating-young-girl-in-moscow/

Funeral bombing kills at least 40 in Iraq

I wonder if the killing will also be part of allah's big brothel in the sky?

The core teachings of islam all hinge on performing the most inhumane depravities possible against your fellow man.

So my question is: when the muzzies in allah's big brothel in the sky are sharing the houri's with big tits and the little boys with eyes like pearls, will they all get jealous of each other and start blowing each other up? 

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

errr - a Palestinian state where the citizens are Jordanian and ruled by the Hashemites? Makes sense  :P

All Muslims, no? All sunni Muslims.

Ummah, ummah
Stick it up yer jumpah.


Is that how it goes now? Ummah but not for the Pallos.


Tell us, what is it about the Pallos that the other Arabs can't stand, but fear and loathe?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 8:49am:

On the news last night... two 'Australians' a day are taken off aircraft while headed to IS-land.... Here's a well-balanced Muslim for you.... https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/30975430/russia-arrests-nanny-for-decapitating-young-girl-in-moscow/

The majority of these muslims wanting to live in the Islamic state are on Centrelink benefits here.

One free airline ticket is cheaper than decades of Centrelink,Dept of Housing and Legal aid bills.

We should be happy they want to leave, paying their airfare and cutting them off Centrelink would be the wise thing to do.

Soren wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 4:51pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 29th, 2016 at 6:36pm: errr - a Palestinian state where the citizens are Jordanian and ruled by the Hashemites? Makes sense  :P All Muslims, no? All sunni Muslims. Ummah, ummah Stick it up yer jumpah. Is that how it goes now? Ummah but not for the Pallos. Tell us, what is it about the Pallos that the other Arabs can't stand, but fear and loathe?

Is this your way of apologising for not only being wrong about no muslim nation settling muslim refugees, but acting like such a koooont about it?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 8:49am:

On the news last night... two 'Australians' a day are taken off aircraft while headed to IS-land.... Here's a well-balanced Muslim for you.... https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/30975430/russia-arrests-nanny-for-decapitating-young-girl-in-moscow/

Muslim unemployment has just gone up a few points. And no wonder. Who the hell wants to risk it?!?!?!!

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 5:13pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 1st, 2016 at 4:51pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 29th, 2016 at 6:36pm: errr - a Palestinian state where the citizens are Jordanian and ruled by the Hashemites? Makes sense  :P All Muslims, no? All sunni Muslims. Ummah, ummah Stick it up yer jumpah. Is that how it goes now? Ummah but not for the Pallos. Tell us, what is it about the Pallos that the other Arabs can't stand, but fear and loathe? Is this your way of apologising for not only being wrong about no muslim nation settling muslim refugees, but acting like such a koooont about it?

But of course. Intelligence and integrity, innit. Superior culture. Good old Danish know-how.

Koooont.

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 5:13pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 1st, 2016 at 4:51pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 29th, 2016 at 6:36pm: errr - a Palestinian state where the citizens are Jordanian and ruled by the Hashemites? Makes sense  :P All Muslims, no? All sunni Muslims. Ummah, ummah Stick it up yer jumpah. Is that how it goes now? Ummah but not for the Pallos. Tell us, what is it about the Pallos that the other Arabs can't stand, but fear and loathe? Is this your way of apologising for not only being wrong about no muslim nation settling muslim refugees, but acting like such a koooont about it?

Look, Gandy, Muslim immigrants are bad news, everywhere.  There is no positive Muslim contribution anywhere.   EVEN Muslim countries don't want them because they KNOW them.

Islam is a toxic ideology. It must be identified as such and treated as such. Muslim countries themselves are doing this already. The West must follow their example.

Your stupid dark ages Muslim garb, your ideological agitation, the Muslim special pleading, the equivocation - it's all crap. Islam is simply bad news. Islam must be contained, isolated and suppressed. It is a dreadfully dangerous ideology with no redeeming features. The more Islam, the less freedom, especially for women, kuffars, the vulnerable.
Islam is a medieval imperialist creed that has never moved on from the 7th century.  Its pleading for tolerance are outrageous and must be flung back in the faces of every Muslim who utters such a plea.

Islam is no improvement on any aspects of Western civilisation. It is backward and primitive on any and all accounts of civilised life. Islam is an atavistic degradation of and revolt against modernity. It must be treated like pedophilia, slavery, supremacist ideology - for that's what it IS.  It is despicable in all its teachings and doctrines.

Tell us, Gandy, how is Islam an improvement on Australia or the West?  Spell it out, you area a Muslim, you know the glory of Islam.i

Karnal wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 7:44pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 1st, 2016 at 5:13pm: Soren wrote on Mar 1st, 2016 at 4:51pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 29th, 2016 at 6:36pm: errr - a Palestinian state where the citizens are Jordanian and ruled by the Hashemites? Makes sense  :P All Muslims, no? All sunni Muslims. Ummah, ummah Stick it up yer jumpah. Is that how it goes now? Ummah but not for the Pallos. Tell us, what is it about the Pallos that the other Arabs can't stand, but fear and loathe? Is this your way of apologising for not only being wrong about no muslim nation settling muslim refugees, but acting like such a koooont about it? But of course. Intelligence and integrity, innit. Superior culture. Good old Danish know-how. Koooont.

Explain why no Muslim country is permanently settling Muslim refugees.

Do it, PB, or shut up.

Soren wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 8:09pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 1st, 2016 at 7:44pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 1st, 2016 at 5:13pm: Soren wrote on Mar 1st, 2016 at 4:51pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 29th, 2016 at 6:36pm: errr - a Palestinian state where the citizens are Jordanian and ruled by the Hashemites? Makes sense  :P All Muslims, no? All sunni Muslims. Ummah, ummah Stick it up yer jumpah. Is that how it goes now? Ummah but not for the Pallos. Tell us, what is it about the Pallos that the other Arabs can't stand, but fear and loathe? Is this your way of apologising for not only being wrong about no muslim nation settling muslim refugees, but acting like such a koooont about it? But of course. Intelligence and integrity, innit. Superior culture. Good old Danish know-how. Koooont. Explain why no Muslim country is permanently settling Muslim refugees. Do it, PB, or shut up.

Oh, you’re already onto your porkie cover-up routine. That’s where you post lots of jolly spam to cover up your mess.

Right now, you’re trying the old stand-and-deliver trick. You’ll shift into always absolutely never ever when you can’t keep that one up. That one comes next.

This is why you refuse to rule out the use of porkies in your daily game. I acknowledge that you stupidly believe quite a few porkies, but for much of the time, you mendaciously.make them up.yourself.

Yes, stupid and mendacious, as every schoolboy knows.

You know this I know this, we all know it. We’ve had this Jordan discussion many times. G has pointed this out to you before. If you continue to willingly smear this krap, you can’t keep.blaming.your early-onset Altzheimers - one of your old excuses. You are a serial propagator of porkie pies - a repeat offender. We all enjoy your posts here because they’re so full of such artfully smeared stool.

Not that there’s anything wrong with it, dear boy, just stop denying who you truly are. We’ll all respect you for coming out, you know. It must be so hard to live such a lie. Yes, you’ll struggle for a bit, but one day, you’ll thank me for it.

Take my advice, old boy. Submit.

Soren wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 8:04pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 1st, 2016 at 5:13pm: Soren wrote on Mar 1st, 2016 at 4:51pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 29th, 2016 at 6:36pm: errr - a Palestinian state where the citizens are Jordanian and ruled by the Hashemites? Makes sense  :P All Muslims, no? All sunni Muslims. Ummah, ummah Stick it up yer jumpah. Is that how it goes now? Ummah but not for the Pallos. Tell us, what is it about the Pallos that the other Arabs can't stand, but fear and loathe? Is this your way of apologising for not only being wrong about no muslim nation settling muslim refugees, but acting like such a koooont about it? Look, Gandy, Muslim immigrants are bad news, everywhere.  There is no positive Muslim contribution anywhere.   EVEN Muslim countries don't want them because they KNOW them. Islam is a toxic ideology. It must be identified as such and treated as such. Muslim countries themselves are doing this already. The West must follow their example. Your stupid dark ages Muslim garb, your ideological agitation, the Muslim special pleading, the equivocation - it's all crap. Islam is simply bad news. Islam must be contained, isolated and suppressed. It is a dreadfully dangerous ideology with no redeeming features. The more Islam, the less freedom, especially for women, kuffars, the vulnerable. Islam is a medieval imperialist creed that has never moved on from the 7th century.  Its pleading for tolerance are outrageous and must be flung back in the faces of every Muslim who utters such a plea. Islam is no improvement on any aspects of Western civilisation. It is backward and primitive on any and all accounts of civilised life. Islam is an atavistic degradation of and revolt against modernity. It must be treated like pedophilia, slavery, supremacist ideology - for that's what it IS.  It is despicable in all its teachings and doctrines. Tell us, Gandy, how is Islam an improvement on Australia or the West?  Spell it out, you area a Muslim, you know the glory of Islam.

I think Gandalf is supportive of French moves to close down some mosques.

Karnal wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 8:33pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 1st, 2016 at 8:09pm: Karnal wrote on Mar 1st, 2016 at 7:44pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 1st, 2016 at 5:13pm: Soren wrote on Mar 1st, 2016 at 4:51pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 29th, 2016 at 6:36pm: errr - a Palestinian state where the citizens are Jordanian and ruled by the Hashemites? Makes sense  :P All Muslims, no? All sunni Muslims. Ummah, ummah Stick it up yer jumpah. Is that how it goes now? Ummah but not for the Pallos. Tell us, what is it about the Pallos that the other Arabs can't stand, but fear and loathe? Is this your way of apologising for not only being wrong about no muslim nation settling muslim refugees, but acting like such a koooont about it? But of course. Intelligence and integrity, innit. Superior culture. Good old Danish know-how. Koooont. Explain why no Muslim country is permanently settling Muslim refugees. Do it, PB, or shut up. Oh, you’re already onto your porkie cover-up routine. That’s where you post lots of jolly spam to cover up your mess. Right now, you’re trying the old stand-and-deliver trick. You’ll shift into always absolutely never ever when you can’t keep that one up. That one comes next. This is why you refuse to rule out the use of porkies in your daily game. I acknowledge that you stupidly believe quite a few porkies, but for much of the time, you mendaciously.make them up.yourself. Yes, stupid and mendacious, as every schoolboy knows. You know this I know this, we all know it. We’ve had this Jordan discussion many times. G has pointed this out to you before. If you continue to willingly smear this krap, you can’t keep.blaming.your early-onset Altzheimers - one of your old excuses. You are a serial propagator of porkie pies - a repeat offender. We all enjoy your posts here because they’re so full of such artfully smeared stool. Not that there’s anything wrong with it, dear boy, just stop denying who you truly are. We’ll all respect you for coming out, you know. It must be so hard to live such a lie. Yes, you’ll struggle for a bit, but one day, you’ll thank me for it. Take my advice, old boy. Submit.

Sooooo....  why don't Muslims take all those Muslims?



And especially if they are Pallo Muslims.

freediver wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 8:33pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 1st, 2016 at 8:04pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 1st, 2016 at 5:13pm: Soren wrote on Mar 1st, 2016 at 4:51pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 29th, 2016 at 6:36pm: errr - a Palestinian state where the citizens are Jordanian and ruled by the Hashemites? Makes sense  :P All Muslims, no? All sunni Muslims. Ummah, ummah Stick it up yer jumpah. Is that how it goes now? Ummah but not for the Pallos. Tell us, what is it about the Pallos that the other Arabs can't stand, but fear and loathe? Is this your way of apologising for not only being wrong about no muslim nation settling muslim refugees, but acting like such a koooont about it? Look, Gandy, Muslim immigrants are bad news, everywhere.  There is no positive Muslim contribution anywhere.   EVEN Muslim countries don't want them because they KNOW them. Islam is a toxic ideology. It must be identified as such and treated as such. Muslim countries themselves are doing this already. The West must follow their example. Your stupid dark ages Muslim garb, your ideological agitation, the Muslim special pleading, the equivocation - it's all crap. Islam is simply bad news. Islam must be contained, isolated and suppressed. It is a dreadfully dangerous ideology with no redeeming features. The more Islam, the less freedom, especially for women, kuffars, the vulnerable. Islam is a medieval imperialist creed that has never moved on from the 7th century.  Its pleading for tolerance are outrageous and must be flung back in the faces of every Muslim who utters such a plea. Islam is no improvement on any aspects of Western civilisation. It is backward and primitive on any and all accounts of civilised life. Islam is an atavistic degradation of and revolt against modernity. It must be treated like pedophilia, slavery, supremacist ideology - for that's what it IS.  It is despicable in all its teachings and doctrines. Tell us, Gandy, how is Islam an improvement on Australia or the West?  Spell it out, you area a Muslim, you know the glory of Islam. I think Gandalf is supportive of French moves to close down some mosques.

And what does FD think about freedom of religion?

Try answering as if you’re G, FD. Give it a go.

What’s the worst that could happen?

freediver wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 8:33pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 1st, 2016 at 8:04pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 1st, 2016 at 5:13pm: Soren wrote on Mar 1st, 2016 at 4:51pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 29th, 2016 at 6:36pm: errr - a Palestinian state where the citizens are Jordanian and ruled by the Hashemites? Makes sense  :P All Muslims, no? All sunni Muslims. Ummah, ummah Stick it up yer jumpah. Is that how it goes now? Ummah but not for the Pallos. Tell us, what is it about the Pallos that the other Arabs can't stand, but fear and loathe? Is this your way of apologising for not only being wrong about no muslim nation settling muslim refugees, but acting like such a koooont about it? Look, Gandy, Muslim immigrants are bad news, everywhere.  There is no positive Muslim contribution anywhere.   EVEN Muslim countries don't want them because they KNOW them. Islam is a toxic ideology. It must be identified as such and treated as such. Muslim countries themselves are doing this already. The West must follow their example. Your stupid dark ages Muslim garb, your ideological agitation, the Muslim special pleading, the equivocation - it's all crap. Islam is simply bad news. Islam must be contained, isolated and suppressed. It is a dreadfully dangerous ideology with no redeeming features. The more Islam, the less freedom, especially for women, kuffars, the vulnerable. Islam is a medieval imperialist creed that has never moved on from the 7th century.  Its pleading for tolerance are outrageous and must be flung back in the faces of every Muslim who utters such a plea. Islam is no improvement on any aspects of Western civilisation. It is backward and primitive on any and all accounts of civilised life. Islam is an atavistic degradation of and revolt against modernity. It must be treated like pedophilia, slavery, supremacist ideology - for that's what it IS.  It is despicable in all its teachings and doctrines. Tell us, Gandy, how is Islam an improvement on Australia or the West?  Spell it out, you area a Muslim, you know the glory of Islam. I think Gandalf is supportive of French moves to close down some mosques.

Gandy, like most Muslims, regrets that he has only two corners of his mouth to talk out of. He, they, would be more comfortable with a few dozen more corners to speak out of.

Two corners simply doesn't cover the variety of contradictory positions Muslims want to take.


Honesty is not part of the culture.

Soren wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 8:41pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 1st, 2016 at 8:33pm: Soren wrote on Mar 1st, 2016 at 8:09pm: Karnal wrote on Mar 1st, 2016 at 7:44pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 1st, 2016 at 5:13pm: Soren wrote on Mar 1st, 2016 at 4:51pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 29th, 2016 at 6:36pm: errr - a Palestinian state where the citizens are Jordanian and ruled by the Hashemites? Makes sense  :P All Muslims, no? All sunni Muslims. Ummah, ummah Stick it up yer jumpah. Is that how it goes now? Ummah but not for the Pallos. Tell us, what is it about the Pallos that the other Arabs can't stand, but fear and loathe? Is this your way of apologising for not only being wrong about no muslim nation settling muslim refugees, but acting like such a koooont about it? But of course. Intelligence and integrity, innit. Superior culture. Good old Danish know-how. Koooont. Explain why no Muslim country is permanently settling Muslim refugees. Do it, PB, or shut up. Oh, you’re already onto your porkie cover-up routine. That’s where you post lots of jolly spam to cover up your mess. Right now, you’re trying the old stand-and-deliver trick. You’ll shift into always absolutely never ever when you can’t keep that one up. That one comes next. This is why you refuse to rule out the use of porkies in your daily game. I acknowledge that you stupidly believe quite a few porkies, but for much of the time, you mendaciously.make them up.yourself. Yes, stupid and mendacious, as every schoolboy knows. You know this I know this, we all know it. We’ve had this Jordan discussion many times. G has pointed this out to you before. If you continue to willingly smear this krap, you can’t keep.blaming.your early-onset Altzheimers - one of your old excuses. You are a serial propagator of porkie pies - a repeat offender. We all enjoy your posts here because they’re so full of such artfully smeared stool. Not that there’s anything wrong with it, dear boy, just stop denying who you truly are. We’ll all respect you for coming out, you know. It must be so hard to live such a lie. Yes, you’ll struggle for a bit, but one day, you’ll thank me for it. Take my advice, old boy. Submit. Sooooo....  why don't Muslims take all those Muslims? And especially if they are Pallo Muslims.

Oh, I see. Why don’t they take them all?

You’re squirming more than FD, old boy. Most unbecoming.

Why don’t you just submit?