Tony Abbott takes swipe at China in Japan speech, says communist nation does not share Australia's 'values'

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-26/tony-abbott-lashes-china-for-not-sharing-australia-values/7204258

Former prime minister Tony Abbott is set to take a swipe at China, saying the communist nation does not share the same "values" as Australia.

Key points:

Tony Abbott to give speech in Tokyo, contrasting Australia's relationships with Japan and China
Mr Abbott says Japan and Australia share values, while China does not
Mr Abbott to argue for further freedom of navigation operations in South China Sea
A draft copy of a speech Mr Abbott is giving in Tokyo tonight says Japan and Australia have a "special relationship because it's not based simply on shared interests, but also on shared values".

In contrast, Mr Abbott's speech says while Australia's "economy is more closely tied to China's than to any other, it's still an 'interests' partnership rather than a 'values' one".

"The challenge for all of us is to work to ensure that China better appreciates the rules based international order that's created the stability that's made China's new prosperity possible," the speech says.

Mr Abbott will also outline his support for further freedom of navigation and military operations in the contested South China Sea.

"Over the past 18 months, Australia has quietly increased our own air and naval patrols in the South China Sea," the speech reads.

"We should be prepared to exercise our rights to freedom of navigation wherever international law permits because this is not something that the United States should have to police on its own."

It is a view shared by Australia's most recent ambassador to Washington, Kim Beazley, who spoke to the ABC's 7:30 program.

Asked whether Australia had conducted a freedom of navigation operation in the South China Sea recently, Mr Beazley said: "Not to my knowledge and I shouldn't have answered the question in that way."

"I should have said 'Go and talk to the Foreign Minister'."

Mr Beazley also said maritime operations should be carried out routinely in the South China Sea.

"The Chinese react worse when their noses are being rubbed in it, when things are routine, they tend to live with it," he said.

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Backbencher Abbott Attacks China

I was looking for the attack. ;)

Edit: Did Kim Beazley attack China too?

It was at Abbott's behest that the new massive spending on defence hardware was initiated - and apparently Turnbull is in total agreement with him for not making any reductions in the spending or equipment being bought.

All of this sudden urgency is due entirely to China's recent military expansion into the China Sea.

Turnbull agrees with Abbott's speech, and so does Shorten.

Shared Values ~ derogative treatment of women and foreigners?

lee wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:09pm:

Quote: Backbencher Abbott Attacks China I was looking for the attack. ;) Edit: Did Kim Beazley attack China too?

China putting stability at risk: Abbott

http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/china-putting-stability-at-risk-abbott/news-story/b404c6acb0eb5197e081bca852b63bfa

China is putting the stability and security of the South China Sea at risk and should face consequences for breaking the rules, former prime minister Tony Abbott says.

The rising Asian superpower also has an "interests partnership" with Australia, rather than one based on values, Mr Abbott told the Japan Institute of National Affairs in Tokyo.

etc etc


is that a better spoon feeding?

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:17pm:

China putting stability at risk: Abbott http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/china-putting-stability-at-risk-ab... China is putting the stability and security of the South China Sea at risk and should face consequences for breaking the rules, former prime minister Tony Abbott says. The rising Asian superpower also has an "interests partnership" with Australia, rather than one based on values, Mr Abbott told the Japan Institute of National Affairs in Tokyo. etc etc is that a better spoon feeding?

So critically analysing something is now an attack?

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:13pm:

Shared Values ~ derogative treatment of women and foreigners?

I agree.

Saying we have shared values with Japan is simply stupid in the extreme. Nothing showcases this better than the slaughter of whales and dolphins, and many other cruel practices of the Japanese oriental mind.

They have a minimal immigration program and no multiculturalism. No mosques in every second suburb - (for which I congratulate them for their foresight).

Perhaps Tony has been having too much sake over there. 

Grandstanding, so to put pressure on Turnbull. Nothing more ... meanwhile Abbott is endangering Chinese trade.

We have a foreign minister who comments on foreign issues ... Abbott again is overstepping his backbencher position.

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:25pm:

Grandstanding, so to put pressure on Turnbull. Nothing more ... meanwhile Abbott is endangering Chinese trade. We have a foreign minister who comments on foreign issues ... Abbott again is overstepping his backbencher position.

That surprises me too, but then again, no one did this more than Turnbull when he was PM-in-Waiting. A bit of pay-back maybe.

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:25pm:

meanwhile Abbott is endangering Chinese trade.

You mean the Chines will pack their bongos and go home? They won't sell us stuff?

Election year and the coalition is a war zone, split down the middle.
As Howard said ~ Division is Death.

The more undermining, the better.


So wonder what's the current odds are for Shorten being PM by the end of the year?

lee wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:34pm:

____ wrote on Feb 26th, 2016 at 8:25pm: meanwhile Abbott is endangering Chinese trade. You mean the Chines will pack their bongos and go home? They won't sell us stuff?

Poke the Chinese Panda enough, and there will be ramifications.
There again, that's what the hard right hawks want ... a war against China.

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:37pm:

Poke the Chinese Panda enough, and there will be ramifications. There again, that's what the hard right hawks want ... a war against China.

You are seriously deluded. Where are these hard right hawks?

lee wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:41pm:

____ wrote on Feb 26th, 2016 at 8:37pm: Poke the Chinese Panda enough, and there will be ramifications. There again, that's what the hard right hawks want ... a war against China. You are seriously deluded. Where are these hard right hawks?

Julie Bishop rebuffs Tony Abbott's call for boots on the ground

http://www.afr.com/news/politics/julie-bishop-rebuffs-tony-abbotts-call-for-boots-on-the-ground-20151116-gl0kmf

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:45pm:

ulie Bishop rebuffs Tony Abbott's call for boots on the ground http://www.afr.com/news/politics/julie-bishop-rebuffs-tony-abbotts-call-for-boot...

Not a single mention of China.

An example of one of the hard right hawks ... gee, keep up with the questions you ask !

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 9:13pm:

An example of one of the hard right hawks ... gee, keep up with the questions you ask !

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:37pm:

There again, that's what the hard right hawks want ... a war against China.

It was you who said right wing hawks want a war with China. Which right wing hawks want a war with China.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:25pm:

____ wrote on Feb 26th, 2016 at 8:13pm: Shared Values ~ derogative treatment of women and foreigners? I agree. Saying we have shared values with Japan is simply stupid in the extreme. Nothing showcases this better than the slaughter of whales and dolphins, and many other cruel practices of the Japanese oriental mind. They have a minimal immigration program and no multiculturalism. No mosques in every second suburb - (for which I congratulate them for their foresight). Perhaps Tony has been having too much sake over there.

Mr Abbott is getting at the US global order and a little thing called democracy. That’s what he means by shared values - something the Philippines, Taiwan and other countries who’s sovereignty is under threat by China share.

What does this have to do with the Oriental mind?

lee wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:09pm:

Quote: Backbencher Abbott Attacks China I was looking for the attack. ;) Edit: Did Kim Beazley attack China too?

No, both he and Abbott are just calling it like it is. The Greens and Labor would rather we take one up the tailpipe from China rather than talk about this openly.

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:13pm:

Shared Values ~ derogative treatment of women and foreigners?

China puts people in labour prisons and their jails are squalid. Ours are luxurious by comparison and we don't have a single labour prison.

lee wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:57pm:

____ wrote on Feb 26th, 2016 at 8:45pm: ulie Bishop rebuffs Tony Abbott's call for boots on the ground http://www.afr.com/news/politics/julie-bishop-rebuffs-tony-abbotts-call-for-boot... Not a single mention of China.

GW is just getting his boot licking down-pat early just in case we're invaded by China.

lee wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 9:23pm:

____ wrote on Feb 26th, 2016 at 9:13pm: An example of one of the hard right hawks ... gee, keep up with the questions you ask ! ____ wrote on Feb 26th, 2016 at 8:37pm: There again, that's what the hard right hawks want ... a war against China. It was you who said right wing hawks want a war with China. Which right wing hawks want a war with China.

I know what I stated ... do you know what You then asked?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 4:35am:

lee wrote on Feb 26th, 2016 at 8:09pm: Quote: Backbencher Abbott Attacks China I was looking for the attack. ;) Edit: Did Kim Beazley attack China too? No, both he and Abbott are just calling it like it is. The Greens and Labor would rather we take one up the tailpipe from China rather than talk about this openly.

The Spratly Islands dispute isn't cut and dry ... and that seems to have missed Abbott and his follower's attention. Abbott warmongering is just him grandstanding by throwing grenades.

It's a lame attempt of abbott wanting attention ... now that he is a backbencher, and possibly losing that seat at the next election.

If Turnbull wasn't such a eunuch, he would put abbott on a leash.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 4:36am:

____ wrote on Feb 26th, 2016 at 8:13pm: Shared Values ~ derogative treatment of women and foreigners? China puts people in labour prisons and their jails are squalid. Ours are luxurious by comparison and we don't have a single labour prison.

Did the coalition back Gitmo, and the torture of Australians and others in it?

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:45pm:

lee wrote on Feb 26th, 2016 at 8:41pm: ____ wrote on Feb 26th, 2016 at 8:37pm: Poke the Chinese Panda enough, and there will be ramifications. There again, that's what the hard right hawks want ... a war against China. You are seriously deluded. Where are these hard right hawks? Julie Bishop rebuffs Tony Abbott's call for boots on the ground http://www.afr.com/news/politics/julie-bishop-rebuffs-tony-abbotts-call-for-boots-on-the-ground-20151116-gl0kmf

No amount of bombing from distant bases will ever defeat ISIS. Abbott is totally correct in believing that only troops on the ground will clear ISIS out of Syria and Iraq.

Boots-on-the-ground will not defeat ISIS, of course, but at least it would create safe territories for the local citizens.

Yes, In response to your statement that right wing hawks wanted "a war against China", I asked where are these right wing hawks.

You then went off on a tangent and cited ISIS.

Talk about comprehension issues.

Selective reading on your part ... totally ignore Abbott's warmongering in the article. Abbott and other hard right hawks want a war ... any war. Abbott provoking in the middle east, now against China.

Same old, same old tactic from you. Go off tangent and then bark at the moon ...  post after post, after post, after post, after post, after post  ...


Abbott is a hawk, as are most who support him.

____ wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 2:20pm:

Abbott is a hawk, as are most who support him.

What's a "hawk"? :-?  I Googled and all I got was a lot about Robert James Lee (Bob) Hawke. ::)

Neferti wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 2:35pm:

____ wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 2:20pm: Abbott is a hawk, as are most who support him. What's a "hawk"? :-?  I Googled and all I got was a lot about Robert James Lee (Bob) Hawke. ::)

http://i.imgur.com/Ufbr5ej.gif

Any simpleton can type "political hawk" into a search engine, and come up with the answer to your question. You'd have to go out of your way to manage to get RJ Hawk into the top results.

boxy wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 3:09pm:

Neferti wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 2:35pm: ____ wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 2:20pm: Abbott is a hawk, as are most who support him. What's a "hawk"? :-?  I Googled and all I got was a lot about Robert James Lee (Bob) Hawke. ::) http://i.imgur.com/Ufbr5ej.gif Any simpleton can type "political hawk" into a search engine, and come up with the answer to your question. You'd have to go out of your way to manage to get RJ Hawk into the top results.

OK, I tried it again and I had obviously typed HAWKE into Google .... ooops.

So a "political hawk" is described as:


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A war hawk, or simply hawk, is a term used in politics for someone favoring war in a debate over whether to go to war, or whether to continue or escalate an existing war. War hawks are the opposite of doves.

When was Abbott a war mongerer?

So, if Abbot is a "hawk" who is a "dove"?  ::)

PS.  Nice to see you here Boxhead, still being rude to me, I see.  ;) Are you still on Aussie's "team"?  ;D

BFFs!

Did you notice that I left the e off his name in the last post ;D

I still don't believe that you can hang around a political forum for so many years and not know what a hawk is, in this context.

____ wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 2:20pm:

Abbott and other hard right hawks want a war ... any war. Abbott provoking in the middle east, now against China.

So we are not allowed to criticise China. Does that also apply to Russia, USA, UK, France, Greece?

Bill Shorten calls on Malcolm Turnbull to rein in MPs after Tony Abbott speech on South China Sea


Opposition Leader Bill Shorten has called on Malcolm Turnbull to "do something about his backbench", saying Tony Abbott is acting like both the prime minister and foreign minister.

The former prime minister delivered a speech in Japan overnight, in which he argued for more freedom of navigation military exercises in the contested South China Sea, and said China and Australia did not share the same values.

Mr Shorten said Mr Abbott giving speeches on foreign policy was a "recipe for chaos".

"When you see the former prime minister taking a very different priority to Mr Turnbull on foreign policy — this is a divided Government, and a divided Government is not good for Australia, is not good for Australian jobs, is not good for Australia's position in the world," he said.

"Malcolm Turnbull needs to do something about his backbench. I've got some respect for the fact that Tony Abbot was prime minister, so he should be given a little bit more rope than some of the more right-wing characters.

"What I don't understand is why Malcolm Turnbull has got senior members of his own Government out there giving their own speeches on foreign policy."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-27/shorten-tells-turnbull-to-control-backbench-after-abbott-speech/7205400

Poor Bill doesn't understand a lot.

Kim Beazley, formerly Labor Defence Minister, now on diplomatic posting, supports what Abbott said.

lee wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 5:24pm:

Poor Bill doesn't understand a lot. Kim Beazley, formerly Labor Defence Minister, now on diplomatic posting, supports what Abbott said.

It doesn't mean we all do!

lee wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 3:42pm:

____ wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 2:20pm: Abbott and other hard right hawks want a war ... any war. Abbott provoking in the middle east, now against China. So we are not allowed to criticise China. Does that also apply to Russia, USA, UK, France, Greece?

-> it's about who says it and to whom!

It's called diplomacy, if not decorum! You're the ones always talking about class  ::)

____ wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 2:20pm:

Selective reading on your part ... totally ignore Abbott's warmongering in the article. Abbott and other hard right hawks want a war ... any war. Abbott provoking in the middle east, ..now against China. Same old, same old tactic from you. Go off tangent and then bark at the moon ...  post after post, after post, after post, after post, after post  ... Abbott is a hawk, as are most who support him.

..i find that a disturbing thought!

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 5:59pm:

____ wrote on Feb 27th, 2016 at 2:20pm: Selective reading on your part ... totally ignore Abbott's warmongering in the article. Abbott and other hard right hawks want a war ... any war. Abbott provoking in the middle east, ..now against China. Same old, same old tactic from you. Go off tangent and then bark at the moon ...  post after post, after post, after post, after post, after post  ... Abbott is a hawk, as are most who support him. ..i find that a disturbing thought!

Yes, Death, but we need to sympathise with Mr Abbott. It can't be easy for him after being the big boss. Who else would he have to talk to about these things? No wonder he wants to go Singapore and give speeches. No one else will listen.

I fully understand why Mr Abbott would want to start a war. He must feel very lonely. If this happens, we need to forgive him and pray for our boys to be home by Christmas.

Live and let live, eh?

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 5:56pm:

You're the ones always talking about class

Really?