It has one very stupid design flaw with respect to passenger comfort.

Can you guess what it is?

It's glaringly obvious in the video - and is often mentioned by passengers travelling on other planes.

The designers are simply f'wits who refuse to correct this contentious issue between passengers.


link

The videos don't work?

I've been on the A380 quite a few times now.

You'll have to tell us what's wrong with it, Herbie, as your link is useless.

Not right so far.

Incidentally, technically it might be the biggest passenger plane ever designed, but looking at it from the ground it looks smaller than most other passenger planes.

When it first came flying into Sydney, the TV journalists who were assembled at the airport with their cameras ready were hugely disappointed when it came into view.

I love the plane.

Come on Herbie, tell us what's wrong or find a link that works.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 7:06pm:

Incidentally, technically it might be the biggest passenger plane ever designed, but looking at it from the ground it looks smaller than most other passenger planes.

Nonsense.

I've driven across the tarmac, and then climbed the stairs into an A380 at Dubai airport at least a half a dozen times.
The size of it still amazes me.

I can't fault the plane, and thankfully one leaves Perth airport every single night at 10:00pm.

Correct.

It is huge - but not when you see it flying overhead - and THAT is because the extra size they boast of is in the vertical construction and only very minimally in the lateral construction.

And Gregg - as an Australian flying from an Australian airport are you allowed to chose pork products off their menu?

Ah, yes - the secret behind the 'massive QANTAS turnaround' achieved partly by off-loading maintenance etc... and ditching Australian jobs...

Not Having Older Aircraft To Write Off Any More.

Funny that.  No great management skills there.... Jayzuz - let's employ the Irish Ballbag as our next Treasurer or just pay him a few more million per year...

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 7:39pm:

Ah, yes - the secret behind the 'massive QANTAS turnaround' achieved partly by off-loading maintenance etc... and ditching Australian jobs... Not Having Older Aircraft To Write Off Any More. Funny that.  No great management skills there.... Jayzuz - let's employ the Irish Ballbag as our next Treasurer or just pay him a few more million per year...

Yes - good point. I watched the TV report in amazement at this astonish recovery.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 7:39pm:

Ah, yes - the secret behind the 'massive QANTAS turnaround' achieved partly by off-loading maintenance etc... and ditching Australian jobs...

Lets not neglect to mention the next worst kept secret ... if Aussie consumers can save a hundred bucks on their ticket price then they don't give a rats arse how many aussie jobs get f$cked off overseas, as long as its not theirs.  ;)

innocentbystander. wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 10:15pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 7:39pm: Ah, yes - the secret behind the 'massive QANTAS turnaround' achieved partly by off-loading maintenance etc... and ditching Australian jobs... Lets not neglect to mention the next worst kept secret ... if Aussie consumers can save a hundred bucks on their ticket price then they don't give a rats arse how many aussie jobs get f$cked off overseas, as long as its not theirs.  ;)

Good point.

It's a case of 'Mea Culpa' - same with Western populations financing the Rise and Rise of Communist China through buying cheap Made in China products.

And then us voting in politicians who want to trash-and-vandalise our Western homelands through the importation of highly incompatible immigrants.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 7:06pm:

When it first came flying into Sydney, the TV journalists who were assembled at the airport with their cameras ready were hugely disappointed when it came into view.

One of the (many) annoying things about your posts, Herb, is the way you make stuff up and then attribute it to other people in an effort to back up your posts. You do it all the time.

The A380 has a wing span which is over 15 meters greater than a 747.

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The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 12:25pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 7:06pm: When it first came flying into Sydney, the TV journalists who were assembled at the airport with their cameras ready were hugely disappointed when it came into view. One of the (many) annoying things about your posts, Herb, is the way you make stuff up and then attribute it to other people in an effort to back up your posts. You do it all the time. The A380 has a wing span which is over 15 meters greater than a 747.

I'll see if I can dig up the original reported quotes from the journalists at Mascot airport.

When I was here a few months ago herbie, you spourted crap a lot. now it seems you spout it all the time. the A380 is a fabulous plane and your 'but' has turned out to be nothing at all as you refuse to tells us what it is.

only an idiot would say it looks smaller than a normal passenger plane. Ive seen them take off many times and trust me, they are a massive plane.  Have you ever seen one at all? It would seem not.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 3:55pm:

When I was here a few months ago herbie, you spourted crap a lot. now it seems you spout it all the time. the A380 is a fabulous plane and your 'but' has turned out to be nothing at all as you refuse to tells us what it is. only an idiot would say it looks smaller than a normal passenger plane. Ive seen them take off many times and trust me, they are a massive plane.  Have you ever seen one at all? It would seem not.

There was a huge amount of hype about the size of the plane in the lead up to its inaugural flight into Sydney, and I remember reading at the time that when it appeared in the sky before landing at Mascot airport the general consensus of those waiting below with their news cameras was that it was disappointingly ordinary in terms of size as seen from the ground.

Okay - I'll tell you what the GLARINGLY inadequate design feature is ...

But first, for a quick commercial break.

Don't go away.

I'll be right back after these quick messages.

8-)

Bird + Plane =

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/7244490-3x2-340x227.jpg

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 5:29pm:

Okay - I'll tell you what the GLARINGLY inadequate design feature is ... But first, for a quick commercial break. Don't go away. I'll be right back after these quick messages. 8-)

herb your a pain in the arse...if you wan t people to engage with you this aint the way to go about it..

were not children....and anyone that sp[ends his time looking at planes flying over head leads  a very boring life...

all I worry about on  a plane is not having me knees under my chin...or the person in fronts head on my lap.. and somehow that always seem to b e the case... >:( >:( >:( >:(

its time when selling a ticket they gave you the exact measurements of your space .. that you are paying for..... for people over 6 feet tall it must be pure hell.

QF32 A380 Incident. Pilot excellence saved the day.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/what-air-crash-investigations-didnt-tell-you-qf32-airbus-hughes


Quote:

What Air Crash Investigations Didn't Tell You About QF32 (Airbus A380) This is an unlikely but true story about iconic brands being protected by an amazing airline captain, the power of social media, and how to create customer-centric culture. Every enterprise can learn much from this story as it exemplifies the incredible benefits of empowering and trusting employees to not only do their job but also represent the brand – in this case, also save lives. The QF32 incident occurred in November 4th, 2010. The ATSB (Australian Transport Safety Bureau) published their final report in June 2013, and Air Crash Investigations released their documentary in February 2014. But before both of these, in late 2012 I was fortunate enough to interview Captain Richard de Crespigny in his home. As we discussed the incident, it became very apparent to me that Richard is not only a talented and seasoned pilot, in both military and commercial aviation, but also an exceptional leader. Richard de Crespigny is an example of what Jim Collins calls ‘Level 5 Leadership’. There is much to learn from the culture he imbues on any flight he commands. Richard is more than a professional pilot, he is committed to giving his passengers the best possible experience and being a positive representative of the Qantas, Airbus and Rolls-Royce brands. On November 4th, 2010, Captain de Crespigny was in command of QF32 flying from Singapore to Sydney. I’ve been on this flight a number of times but not on this occasion. At 7,400 feet during climb-out there was a catastrophic failure of an inboard Rolls-Royce engine resulting in a very rare uncontained explosion. Shrapnel flew out at supersonic speed crippling control systems running along the Q380’s left wing leading edge, peppering the fuselage, invading the underbelly, puncturing two wing fuel tanks in at least ten locations and wreaking havoc with 21 of the 22 aircraft’s systems. In my opinion it was far more serious, and far closer to being a disaster, than anyone has been willing to acknowledge – there was a fire that fortunately self-extinguished in the wind. Jet aviation fuel is kerosene, not petrol, and it burns with low thermal properties. Miraculously, no passengers were injured and, due to the low altitude, the passenger cabin was not compromised by decompression. But exploding shrapnel had penetrated the underbelly, slicing through both of the two main electrical trunk lines – the backbone of the aircraft’s central nervous system. There are many electrical wiring looms within the A380 for inbuilt redundancy but it was incredibly unlucky, and potentially fatal, for two primary looms to be taken out at the same time. Passengers heard several loud ‘bangs’ and could see obvious wing punctures and the fuel vapour trail, but there was far more damage than the eye could see. The largest passenger airliner in the world was severely degraded and had probably lost 50% of system networks and 65% of the aircraft’s roll control. It was set-up for catastrophic cascading events unless the flight deck had the right leadership culture. On the ground in Indonesia, the engine cowling with the Qantas logo, along with other debris, had rained down over the populated town of Batam, including onto school grounds. No-one had been injured but the Twitter-sphere and Internet were abuzz. The Qantas CEO, Alan Joyce, was travelling in a car with his head of Corporate Communications when they received a phone call asking why Qantas’ share price was falling dramatically. For them this was the first sign of a problem and highlights the instant speed of social media and its power to impact a brand in real-time. Back up at 7,400 feet there was calm on the flight deck as the world’s most experienced A380 flight crew [literally] dealt with the situation. Qantas has the well-deserved reputation of being the safest airline in the world – it is the oldest continually operating commercial airline globally and no passenger on a Qantas jet aircraft has ever been killed as a result of an incident. All pilots are hired to become captains and this means that they only hire the best. On top of this, Qantas invests heavily in training and every captain is checked-out seven times a year. Just as in the military, there are full and frank peer reviews any time there is an incident. Safety, transparency and accountability are dominant cultural elements for all Qantas pilots – not something that exists in all airlines. On this particular flight, Captain de Crespigny was being checked by another senior pilot who was himself being trained as a checking captain. This meant that there were five on the flight deck instead of the normal three – the Second Officer (Mark Johnson), First Officer (Co-Pilot Matt Hicks) and three captains – but all had no doubt that there was only one person in command. Before take-off, Captain de Crespigny had ensured that there would be no confusion concerning the chain of command and that everyone’s roles were crystal clear. He discussed these issues at the pre-flight briefing, during the drive to the airport and again before the A380 pushed back from the aerobridge in Singapore...

The Answer is ....

THE ARMRESTS

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 6:56pm:

The Answer is .... THE ARMRESTS

Wasn't me.....it was someone who said something about being as thick as a box full of hammers.  Who was that Herbert, can you recall?

farken ell it's like talking to a deaf and dumb Eskimo in Serbian ... what about the armrests Herb? What exactly is your problem with them? Or is it just armrests in general that you don't like?

John Smith wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 7:11pm:

farken ell it's like talking to a deaf and dumb Eskimo in Serbian ... what about the armrests Herb? What exactly is your problem with them? Or is it just armrests in general that you don't like?

Once more for the dope eating a pizza and splashing the tomato sauce all over his pants ...

link

My question is: After all the YEARS during which armrests on planes have been a contentious issue between passengers, why didn't the idíots who designed the seating on the A380 not resolve this problem using simple, plain commonsense?

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 8:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 14th, 2016 at 7:11pm: farken ell it's like talking to a deaf and dumb Eskimo in Serbian ... what about the armrests Herb? What exactly is your problem with them? Or is it just armrests in general that you don't like? Once more for the dope eating a pizza and splashing the tomato sauce all over his pants ... link My question is: After all the YEARS during which armrests on planes have been a contentious issue between passengers, why didn't the idíots who designed the seating on the A380 not resolve this problem using simple, plain commonsense?

Jesus Herbie, have you ever flown?

Window and aisle seat passengers get one armrest each.

Middle seat passengers get two.

It's the law.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 8:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 14th, 2016 at 7:11pm: farken ell it's like talking to a deaf and dumb Eskimo in Serbian ... what about the armrests Herb? What exactly is your problem with them? Or is it just armrests in general that you don't like? Once more for the dope eating a pizza and splashing the tomato sauce all over his pants ... link My question is: After all the YEARS during which armrests on planes have been a contentious issue between passengers, why didn't the idíots who designed the seating on the A380 not resolve this problem using simple, plain commonsense?

Any chance you can produce an image of this alleged problem?

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 8:14pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 14th, 2016 at 8:11pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 14th, 2016 at 7:11pm: farken ell it's like talking to a deaf and dumb Eskimo in Serbian ... what about the armrests Herb? What exactly is your problem with them? Or is it just armrests in general that you don't like? Once more for the dope eating a pizza and splashing the tomato sauce all over his pants ... link My question is: After all the YEARS during which armrests on planes have been a contentious issue between passengers, why didn't the idíots who designed the seating on the A380 not resolve this problem using simple, plain commonsense? Jesus Herbie, have you ever flown? Window and aisle seat passengers get one armrest each. Middle seat passengers get two. It's the law.

Of course it is, but I did not want to tell Herbert.  It is the Federal A380 Armrest Act 2013.

Click on the link.  If it does not work, click harder.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 8:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 14th, 2016 at 7:11pm: farken ell it's like talking to a deaf and dumb Eskimo in Serbian ... what about the armrests Herb? What exactly is your problem with them? Or is it just armrests in general that you don't like? Once more for the dope eating a pizza and splashing the tomato sauce all over his pants ... link My question is: After all the YEARS during which armrests on planes have been a contentious issue between passengers, why didn't the idíots who designed the seating on the A380 not resolve this problem using simple, plain commonsense?

so a google search page is supposed to tell me what you're blabbering about? Are you trying to sell that reposer?

Try articulating your problem in English you chinese.pommie git

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 6:48am:

innocentbystander. wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 10:15pm: Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Mar 13th, 2016 at 7:39pm: Ah, yes - the secret behind the 'massive QANTAS turnaround' achieved partly by off-loading maintenance etc... and ditching Australian jobs... Lets not neglect to mention the next worst kept secret ... if Aussie consumers can save a hundred bucks on their ticket price then they don't give a rats arse how many aussie jobs get f$cked off overseas, as long as its not theirs.  ;) Good point. It's a case of 'Mea Culpa' - same with Western populations financing the Rise and Rise of Communist China through buying cheap Made in China products. And then us voting in politicians who want to trash-and-vandalise our Western homelands through the importation of highly incompatible immigrants.

The are financing China's transition to capitalism.


Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 5:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 14th, 2016 at 3:55pm: When I was here a few months ago herbie, you spourted crap a lot. now it seems you spout it all the time. the A380 is a fabulous plane and your 'but' has turned out to be nothing at all as you refuse to tells us what it is. only an idiot would say it looks smaller than a normal passenger plane. Ive seen them take off many times and trust me, they are a massive plane.  Have you ever seen one at all? It would seem not. There was a huge amount of hype about the size of the plane in the lead up to its inaugural flight into Sydney, and I remember reading at the time that when it appeared in the sky before landing at Mascot airport the general consensus of those waiting below with their news cameras was that it was disappointingly ordinary in terms of size as seen from the ground.

The moon also seems small in the sky, unless you have a mountain range handy to compare it to.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 8:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 14th, 2016 at 7:11pm: farken ell it's like talking to a deaf and dumb Eskimo in Serbian ... what about the armrests Herb? What exactly is your problem with them? Or is it just armrests in general that you don't like? Once more for the dope eating a pizza and splashing the tomato sauce all over his pants ... link My question is: After all the YEARS during which armrests on planes have been a contentious issue between passengers, why didn't the idíots who designed the seating on the A380 not resolve this problem using simple, plain commonsense?

The only credible solution to this barring expansion of seating space is to allow only one-armed passengers and seat right armed with right armed and left armed with left armed.

An amputation clinic could be provided at airports for prospective passengers that don't qualify to travel.

cods wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 5:41pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 14th, 2016 at 5:29pm: Okay - I'll tell you what the GLARINGLY inadequate design feature is ... But first, for a quick commercial break. Don't go away. I'll be right back after these quick messages. 8-) herb your a pain in the arse...if you wan t people to engage with you this aint the way to go about it.. were not children....and anyone that sp[ends his time looking at planes flying over head leads  a very boring life... all I worry about on  a plane is not having me knees under my chin...or the person in fronts head on my lap.. and somehow that always seem to b e the case... >:( >:( >:( >:( its time when selling a ticket they gave you the exact measurements of your space .. that you are paying for..... for people over 6 feet tall it must be pure hell.

It certainly is , sitting in a seat that was comfort tested by a 5ft midget with scoliosis is trying, then you have the person in front recline as well  [smiley=angry.gif], 7hrs even with temazipam is my limit.

freediver wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 8:57pm:

The moon also seems small in the sky, unless you have a mountain range handy to compare it to.

I'm in the flight path of passenger planes leaving Sydney, and so what this means is that I have a credible observation point for comparing the size of the planes going overhead.

And I'm here to tell youse Doubting Thomases that the A380 Airbus does NOT have the Wow! factor in comparison to the size of the other 4x engine aircraft when cruising overhead.

And those seat armrests ... heads should roll.


Dear O dear O dear .... and Christ wept for these passengers ... The fighting over the middle armrest is an absolute money-back-guarantee by the evil swine who designed it like this.

I can just imagine two of Aquascoot's Alpha stallions going at it during the entire trip.


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr96/Herbert_04/seats.png

cods wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 5:41pm:

herb your a pain in the arse...if you wan t people to engage with you this aint the way to go about it.. were not children....and anyone that sp[ends his time looking at planes flying over head leads  a very boring life...

:P

Boing is better.

it sounds like herbie has never been in a plane.

he sounds like a complete idiot.

Its time wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 10:05pm:

cods wrote on Mar 14th, 2016 at 5:41pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 14th, 2016 at 5:29pm: Okay - I'll tell you what the GLARINGLY inadequate design feature is ... But first, for a quick commercial break. Don't go away. I'll be right back after these quick messages. 8-) herb your a pain in the arse...if you wan t people to engage with you this aint the way to go about it.. were not children....and anyone that sp[ends his time looking at planes flying over head leads  a very boring life... all I worry about on  a plane is not having me knees under my chin...or the person in fronts head on my lap.. and somehow that always seem to b e the case... >:( >:( >:( >:( its time when selling a ticket they gave you the exact measurements of your space .. that you are paying for..... for people over 6 feet tall it must be pure hell. It certainly is , sitting in a seat that was comfort tested by a 5ft midget with scoliosis is trying, then you have the person in front recline as well  [smiley=angry.gif], 7hrs even with temazipam is my limit.

absolutely..... travel is beyond me now....and they havent built the plane that would suit me....YET

I flew back from London last year... cattle class of course..dont ask what plane ... it was big...Qantas..it was hell on earth... they even served warm water.. I sent it back so bloody disgusted...we came down in Dubai... do not be fooled people... its a con.... they debate whether you will get off... but of course they insist you do..hot as hell parched with thirst..the time you are off is just long enough to go through duty free...[ha.ha.] nothing is free...we all bought bottles ofCOLD water dying of thirst as I said...we were then shuttled back towards the plane but had to go through the pretend passport.check where they promptly took our bottles of water we had just paid for....no bottles allowed.......he popped them under his table to be returned and re sold we presumed....what a con.. we were back on board in  under an hour...from then on it was 12 hours of knowing what a pig feels like when it is placed in a pen fit for a squirrel.. the bloke in front had his seat back as far for the whole trip...to get out of the seat [aisle] which means more than once... armrest up.. turn to side if legs still work...stand up breath in as far as possible while people climb over each other ... I would try and stand up until they returned....at one stage a toilet was out of action.. so most had to go to the end of the plane after upsetting a cranky hostie...

these planes are damn right cruel....horse wouldnt be treated like passengers are...

btw the toilets are awful....scary in fact.I hated them......

cods wrote on Mar 15^th, 2016 at 9:23am:

...from then on it was 12 hours of knowing what a pig feels like when it is placed in a pen fit for a squirrel.. the bloke in front had his seat back as far for the whole trip...to get out of the seat [aisle] which means more than once... armrest up.. turn to side if legs still work...stand up breath in as far as possible while people climb over each other ... I would try and stand up until they returned....at one stage a toilet was out of action.. so most had to go to the end of the plane after upsetting a cranky hostie... these planes are damn right cruel....horse wouldnt be treated like passengers are... btw the toilets are awful....scary in fact.I hated them......

I would have to exercise supreme patience and divine tolerance if I ever travelled on a plane.

I would not be quietly compliant with some pig using my elbow room or leaning back into me. Whether it's up in a plane or down here on terra firma selfish inconsideration by others has me seeing red every time.

If I ever DID take a plane I would make damn sure to pay the extra that gives you more seating room, armrests, leg-room, pork products on the menu.

I would bring my own headset too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkVoo6lkJhQ

cods wrote on Mar 15^th, 2016 at 9:23am:

...we came down in Dubai... do not be fooled people... its a con.... they debate whether you will get off... but of course they insist you do..hot as hell parched with thirst..the time you are off is just long enough to go through duty free...[ha.ha.] nothing is free...we all bought bottles of COLD water dying of thirst as I said...we were then shuttled back towards the plane but had to go through the pretend passport.check where they promptly took our bottles of water we had just paid for....no bottles allowed.......he popped them under his table to be returned and re sold we presumed....what a con..

Ah yes.  I was caught out by that at Dubai, once.

Only once, though.

I think I prefer Doha airport now.

cods wrote on Mar 15^th, 2016 at 9:23am:

Its time wrote on Mar 14th, 2016 at 10:05pm: cods wrote on Mar 14th, 2016 at 5:41pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 14th, 2016 at 5:29pm: Okay - I'll tell you what the GLARINGLY inadequate design feature is ... But first, for a quick commercial break. Don't go away. I'll be right back after these quick messages. 8-) herb your a pain in the arse...if you wan t people to engage with you this aint the way to go about it.. were not children....and anyone that sp[ends his time looking at planes flying over head leads  a very boring life... all I worry about on  a plane is not having me knees under my chin...or the person in fronts head on my lap.. and somehow that always seem to b e the case... >:( >:( >:( >:( its time when selling a ticket they gave you the exact measurements of your space .. that you are paying for..... for people over 6 feet tall it must be pure hell. It certainly is , sitting in a seat that was comfort tested by a 5ft midget with scoliosis is trying, then you have the person in front recline as well  [smiley=angry.gif], 7hrs even with temazipam is my limit. absolutely..... travel is beyond me now....and they havent built the plane that would suit me....YET I flew back from London last year... cattle class of course..dont ask what plane ... it was big...Qantas..it was hell on earth... they even served warm water.. I sent it back so bloody disgusted...we came down in Dubai... do not be fooled people... its a con.... they debate whether you will get off... but of course they insist you do..hot as hell parched with thirst..the time you are off is just long enough to go through duty free...[ha.ha.] nothing is free...we all bought bottles ofCOLD water dying of thirst as I said...we were then shuttled back towards the plane but had to go through the pretend passport.check where they promptly took our bottles of water we had just paid for....no bottles allowed.......he popped them under his table to be returned and re sold we presumed....what a con.. we were back on board in  under an hour...from then on it was 12 hours of knowing what a pig feels like when it is placed in a pen fit for a squirrel.. the bloke in front had his seat back as far for the whole trip...to get out of the seat [aisle] which means more than once... armrest up.. turn to side if legs still work...stand up breath in as far as possible while people climb over each other ... I would try and stand up until they returned....at one stage a toilet was out of action.. so most had to go to the end of the plane after upsetting a cranky hostie... these planes are damn right cruel....horse wouldnt be treated like passengers are... btw the toilets are awful....scary in fact.I hated them......

I like the hopping off plane part , can breathe a bit of fresh air and stretch the limbs a bit , i can fully understand why people lose their poo on planes , you want ever see me on any long haul flight unless they heavily sedate me first , never flown business so not sure if it would be any different , i did see on emirates first class they get beds and they pump proper oxygen in to their cabin , just gotta justify 50k for a ticket  :(

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

It has one very stupid design flaw with respect to passenger comfort.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 8:11pm:

My question is: After all the YEARS during which armrests on planes have been a contentious issue between passengers, why didn't the idíots who designed the seating on the A380 not resolve this problem using simple, plain commonsense?

Dear o dear o dear
You really do know how to make a fool of yourself Herb

So this "design fault" on the A380 is actually the exact same design that is on every other plane in the sky. You also feel disappointed by the size of the A380.

So why have you felt the need to single out the A380? Is it because the A380 is built cooperatively by a number of European countries and this clashes with your own political agenda of being anti EU?

Its time wrote on Mar 15^th, 2016 at 10:12am:

you want ever see me on any long haul flight unless they heavily sedate me first

The A380 isn't all that bad.

The flight from Perth to Dubai is about 11 hours, and it isn't as bad as it sounds.

The worst part, for me, is the stopover at Dubai (or Doha) airport.

The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 15^th, 2016 at 10:17am:

So this "design fault" on the A380 is actually the exact same design that is on every other plane in the sky.

The A380 was designed at a time when passenger jet armrest space has been a bone-of-contention with passengers for several decades prior to this new plane coming off the factory floor.

That they didn't take the opportunity to correct this design fault is a black mark against them. They had the money, the time, and the motivation to make the adjustment - but instead they said "she''l be 'right, mate!".

Laziness, incompetence, and settling for Third Rate doesn't win them any bouquets from all the passengers down through the decades who have suffered from cramped elbow room. 


The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 15^th, 2016 at 10:17am:

So why have you felt the need to single out the A380?

See the above. They've had ample time to correct this fault.

One skinny armrest between the passengers does not speak of optimal comfort.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 15^th, 2016 at 10:36am:

The A380 was designed at a time when passenger jet armrest space has been a bone-of-contention with passengers for several decades prior to this new plane coming off the factory floor.

I can't say that I've ever heard anyone complain about the armrests.

They've never bothered me, that's for sure.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 15^th, 2016 at 10:18am:

The A380 isn't all that bad. The flight from Perth to Dubai is about 11 hours, and it isn't as bad as it sounds. The worst part, for me, is the stopover at Dubai (or Doha) airport.

It's also the worst part for the poor sand-bunny toilet janitor at the Doha airport who has to try to flush your floaters down the bowl. You should leave a heavy tip with him every time you make that stop.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 15^th, 2016 at 10:18am:

Its time wrote on Mar 15th, 2016 at 10:12am: you want ever see me on any long haul flight unless they heavily sedate me first The A380 isn't all that bad. The flight from Perth to Dubai is about 11 hours, and it isn't as bad as it sounds. The worst part, for me, is the stopover at Dubai (or Doha) airport.

I may have been on a 330 from KL in 2010 , was an Air Asia plane that looked newer , cant recollect it being any different as far as comfort goes though .

Its time wrote on Mar 15^th, 2016 at 10:44am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 15th, 2016 at 10:18am: Its time wrote on Mar 15th, 2016 at 10:12am: you want ever see me on any long haul flight unless they heavily sedate me first The A380 isn't all that bad. The flight from Perth to Dubai is about 11 hours, and it isn't as bad as it sounds. The worst part, for me, is the stopover at Dubai (or Doha) airport. I may have been on a 330 from KL in 2010 , was an Air Asia plane that looked newer , cant recollect it being any different as far as comfort goes though .

I've found with the A380 that it's easier to get up out of your seat and move around the cabin.

More room, in all three dimensions.

Not a huge amount, but enough to make a difference.

I always use the A380 now (where possible).

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 15^th, 2016 at 10:49am:

Its time wrote on Mar 15th, 2016 at 10:44am: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 15th, 2016 at 10:18am: Its time wrote on Mar 15th, 2016 at 10:12am: you want ever see me on any long haul flight unless they heavily sedate me first The A380 isn't all that bad. The flight from Perth to Dubai is about 11 hours, and it isn't as bad as it sounds. The worst part, for me, is the stopover at Dubai (or Doha) airport. I may have been on a 330 from KL in 2010 , was an Air Asia plane that looked newer , cant recollect it being any different as far as comfort goes though . I've found with the A380 that it's easier to get up out of your seat and move around the cabin. More room, in all three dimensions. Not a huge amount, but enough to make a difference. I always use the A380 now (where possible).

Agreed - A380 is the pick of the bunch at the moment, at least compared to 777s, A330s, 747s etc. Will be interesting to see what the A350 is like.

As for people stopping complaining about at Dubai on the way to Europe - why bother? Go via Singapore, HK or Japan - better airlines and more pleasant all-round.

Stig wrote on Mar 15^th, 2016 at 12:14pm:

As for people stopping complaining about at Dubai on the way to Europe - why bother? Go via Singapore, HK or Japan - better airlines and more pleasant all-round.

Better airlines?

Which ones?

Perth to Vienna, for example    :-/

I've just been checking flight schedules for Singapore Airlines: Perth to Frankfurt.

Not too bad, I suppose.

But, are they a better airline than Emirates etc?

I haven't flown with them for 30 years.

The Top 10 Airlines of 2015

Qatar Airways
Singapore Airlines
Cathay Pacific Airways
Turkish Airlines
Emirates
Etihad Airways
ANA All Nippon Airways
Garuda Indonesia
EVA Air
Qantas Airways

Link.

Qatar and Emirates are usually my first choice.

However, Singapore airlines seem to be right up there (according to this list).

No direct flight to Vienna though    :(

Still, I might check them out the next time I go to Frankfurt.

A stopover in Singapore is certainly preferable to Dubai.

NOW you're talkin' ...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmD5w7z8iDk

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 15^th, 2016 at 9:34am:

cods wrote on Mar 15th, 2016 at 9:23am: ...from then on it was 12 hours of knowing what a pig feels like when it is placed in a pen fit for a squirrel.. the bloke in front had his seat back as far for the whole trip...to get out of the seat [aisle] which means more than once... armrest up.. turn to side if legs still work...stand up breath in as far as possible while people climb over each other ... I would try and stand up until they returned....at one stage a toilet was out of action.. so most had to go to the end of the plane after upsetting a cranky hostie... these planes are damn right cruel....horse wouldnt be treated like passengers are... btw the toilets are awful....scary in fact.I hated them...... I would have to exercise supreme patience and divine tolerance if I ever travelled on a plane. I would not be quietly compliant with some pig using my elbow room or leaning back into me. Whether it's up in a plane or down here on terra firma selfish inconsideration by others has me seeing red every time. If I ever DID take a plane I would make damn sure to pay the extra that gives you more seating room, armrests, leg-room, pork products on the menu. I would bring my own headset too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkVoo6lkJhQ

so in other words, you have NEVER travelled by plane and yet choose to rabbit on and on about the A380.

idiot.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 15^th, 2016 at 9:39am:

cods wrote on Mar 15th, 2016 at 9:23am: ...we came down in Dubai... do not be fooled people... its a con.... they debate whether you will get off... but of course they insist you do..hot as hell parched with thirst..the time you are off is just long enough to go through duty free...[ha.ha.] nothing is free...we all bought bottles of COLD water dying of thirst as I said...we were then shuttled back towards the plane but had to go through the pretend passport.check where they promptly took our bottles of water we had just paid for....no bottles allowed.......he popped them under his table to be returned and re sold we presumed....what a con.. Ah yes.  I was caught out by that at Dubai, once. Only once, though. I think I prefer Doha airport now.

its a real catch isnt it... we had no warning at all...the time off the plane was just not worth the bother....and who goes back through customs again.. talk about crooks....if you bought perfume... they would take that as well its in a bottle..duh....the airport  is far too big...its a killer...

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 15^th, 2016 at 3:24pm:

NOW you're talkin' ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmD5w7z8iDk

This is coming to perth in may to deliver a replacement generator to worsley alumina in the SW after an unfortunate incident of ignoring a high temp alarm and then sticking cold water in to cool a roasting hot part , estimated 50 mil damage  :D

Its time wrote on Mar 15^th, 2016 at 4:58pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 15th, 2016 at 3:24pm: NOW you're talkin' ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmD5w7z8iDk This is coming to perth in may to deliver a replacement generator to worsley alumina in the SW after an unfortunate incident of ignoring a high temp alarm and then sticking cold water in to cool a roasting hot part , estimated 50 mil damage  :D

Interesting.

I hope those responsible were sacked.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 15^th, 2016 at 5:10pm:

Its time wrote on Mar 15th, 2016 at 4:58pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 15th, 2016 at 3:24pm: NOW you're talkin' ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmD5w7z8iDk This is coming to perth in may to deliver a replacement generator to worsley alumina in the SW after an unfortunate incident of ignoring a high temp alarm and then sticking cold water in to cool a roasting hot part , estimated 50 mil damage  :D Interesting. I hope those responsible were sacked.

Probably promoted

Boing is better.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 15^th, 2016 at 3:24pm:

NOW you're talkin' ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmD5w7z8iDk

its a 40yo soviet-era plane with all the creature comforts you would expect - none.  its a cargo plane.

is there anything you know about aircraft other than viewing them from a very long distance?

.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 15^th, 2016 at 12:25pm:

I've just been checking flight schedules for Singapore Airlines: Perth to Frankfurt. Not too bad, I suppose. But, are they a better airline than Emirates etc? I haven't flown with them for 30 years.

IMO yes. They're not perfect, but they are consistently good. And when things do go wrong, they're quick to fix them. Plus, Singapore is a much nicer stopover if you want to break your flight.

Cathay is also pretty decent, and even though they didn't make the top ten, JAL is worth a look (I think ANA is returning to oz soon). And again - Toyko and HK beat Dubai as a stopover