So they lied, showed no remorse and they'll be given home detention despite 

The NSW Parliament introduced the offence in 1994 with a maximum sentence of seven years, and in 2014 the maximum penalty was increased to 21 years.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-18/pair-given-jail-time-over-genital-mutilation-of-young-sisters/7257222

Can anyone give a good reason why we need to import religious fanatics like

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GordyL wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 1:46pm:

So they lied, showed no remorse and they'll be given home detention despite

Nasty business, that I don't condone in any way.

However, it doesn't say "they'll be given home detention".

It says "All three offenders will be assessed for their suitability for home detention."

Let's just stick to the facts.

The first words in your OP are "So they lied", and then you go and lie yourself.

This is a topic worthy of discussion, and one that needs to be made public.

Don't cheapen it by posting in the style of Lord Herbert, Armpit, et al.

Leftards like female genital mutilators, even female leftards like them, they are their favorite people in the whole wide world and are at the top of their list when it comes to who we should import into Australia, why you may ask?, well basically because the leftards have a mental disorder, they are essentially deranged.  :(

If these pieces of vermin are not Australian citizens they are a very good chance for deportation. It's a year jail time and over to be eligible .

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 1:55pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 1:46pm: So they lied, showed no remorse and they'll be given home detention despite  Nasty business, that I don't condone in any way. However, it doesn't say "they'll be given home detention". It says "All three offenders will be assessed for their suitability for home detention." Let's just stick to the facts. The first words in your OP are "So they lied", and then you go and lie yourself. This is a topic worthy of discussion, and one that needs to be made public. Don't cheapen it by posting in the style of Lord Herbert, Armpit, et al.

Wanna put $20 on the women getting home detention?
The loser has to paypal a donation to the others favorite cause.

GordyL wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 2:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 1:55pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 1:46pm: So they lied, showed no remorse and they'll be given home detention despite  Nasty business, that I don't condone in any way. However, it doesn't say "they'll be given home detention". It says "All three offenders will be assessed for their suitability for home detention." Let's just stick to the facts. The first words in your OP are "So they lied", and then you go and lie yourself. This is a topic worthy of discussion, and one that needs to be made public. Don't cheapen it by posting in the style of Lord Herbert, Armpit, et al. Wanna put $20 on the women getting home detention? The loser has to paypal a donation to the others favorite cause.

I want to stick to the facts.

They have not been given home detention.

Leave the trolling to Herbie, and just post what's actually happened so far.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 2:09pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 2:05pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 1:55pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 1:46pm: So they lied, showed no remorse and they'll be given home detention despite  Nasty business, that I don't condone in any way. However, it doesn't say "they'll be given home detention". It says "All three offenders will be assessed for their suitability for home detention." Let's just stick to the facts. The first words in your OP are "So they lied", and then you go and lie yourself. This is a topic worthy of discussion, and one that needs to be made public. Don't cheapen it by posting in the style of Lord Herbert, Armpit, et al. Wanna put $20 on the women getting home detention? The loser has to paypal a donation to the others favorite cause. I want to stick to the facts. They have not been given home detention. Leave the trolling to Herbie, and just post what's actually happened so far.

If they're being  assessed for home detention it means everyone is on board with that as the likely outcome.

Not a very good bet, but it's only $20. 

GordyL wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 2:22pm:

If they're being  assessed for home detention it means everyone is on board with that as the likely outcome.

No, it doesn't.

Why continue to lie?

They might get home detention, they might not.

Your thread title is a lie, and then you continued to lie in the OP.

Then, you cheapen the subject even further by turning it into an excuse for gambling.

As it stands, they "have been sentenced to a maximum 15 months' imprisonment."

If the situation changes (as it may), by all means post updates.

Starting a thread based on lies only makes you look foolish, and puts you in company with the likes of Herbie, Longy, and Armpit.

That's not the sort of crowd you want to be seen with.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 2:33pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 2:22pm: If they're being  assessed for home detention it means everyone is on board with that as the likely outcome. No, it doesn't. Why continue to lie? They might get home detention, they might not. Your thread title is a lie, and then you continued to lie in the OP. Then, you cheapen the subject even further by turning it into an excuse for gambling. As it stands, they "have been sentenced to a maximum 15 months' imprisonment." If the situation changes (as it may), by all means post updates. Starting a thread based on lies only makes you look foolish, and puts you in company with the likes of Herbie, Longy, and Armpit. That's not the sort of crowd you want to be seen with.

You're more outraged about my thread title than FGM. Interesting.

Home detention wouldn't mean jack to a musso woman. Most aren't allowed out anyway. It's a weak response if they don't go to "pound me in the ass" prison.

GordyL wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 2:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 2:33pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 2:22pm: If they're being  assessed for home detention it means everyone is on board with that as the likely outcome. No, it doesn't. Why continue to lie? They might get home detention, they might not. Your thread title is a lie, and then you continued to lie in the OP. Then, you cheapen the subject even further by turning it into an excuse for gambling. As it stands, they "have been sentenced to a maximum 15 months' imprisonment." If the situation changes (as it may), by all means post updates. Starting a thread based on lies only makes you look foolish, and puts you in company with the likes of Herbie, Longy, and Armpit. That's not the sort of crowd you want to be seen with. You're more outraged about my thread title than FGM. Interesting.

There you go again: more lies.

You should really quit while you're behind.

My very first words in this thread (which is based on a lie) were:

"Nasty business, that I don't condone in any way."

My very first comment.

So, to summarise:

- thread tile is inaccurate;
- text in the OP is inaccurate;
- you're more concerned with winning a bet, than rectifying the mistakes;
- when called out on it, you tell another lie.

Well, at least I know what I'm dealing with here.

You'll never get a scathing post towards minorities from Pecca. If it was a white aussie who mutilated a little girl he's be going nuts Gordy.

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 2:42pm:

Home detention wouldn't mean jack to a musso woman. Most aren't allowed out anyway. It's a weak response if they don't go to "pound me in the ass" prison.

I don't see that home detention would be effective, in the case of the midwife.

Children could be delivered to the house of Kubra Magennis, where she could continue to carry out the barbaric procedure.

Let's see what happens.

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 2:48pm:

You'll never get a scathing post towards minorities from Pecca.

Oops - caught out again.

"Nasty business, that I don't condone in any way."  GP, 2016

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 2:50pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 2:42pm: Home detention wouldn't mean jack to a musso woman. Most aren't allowed out anyway. It's a weak response if they don't go to "pound me in the ass" prison. I don't see that home detention would be effective, in the case of the midwife. Children could be delivered to the house of Kubra Magennis, where she could continue to carry out the barbaric procedure. Let's see what happens.

yeah, we'll see. ::)

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 2:42pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 2:37pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 2:33pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 2:22pm: If they're being  assessed for home detention it means everyone is on board with that as the likely outcome. No, it doesn't. Why continue to lie? They might get home detention, they might not. Your thread title is a lie, and then you continued to lie in the OP. Then, you cheapen the subject even further by turning it into an excuse for gambling. As it stands, they "have been sentenced to a maximum 15 months' imprisonment." If the situation changes (as it may), by all means post updates. Starting a thread based on lies only makes you look foolish, and puts you in company with the likes of Herbie, Longy, and Armpit. That's not the sort of crowd you want to be seen with. You're more outraged about my thread title than FGM. Interesting. There you go again: more lies. You should really quit while you're behind. My very first words in this thread (which is based on a lie) were: "Nasty business, that I don't condone in any way." My very first comment. So, to summarise: - thread tile is inaccurate; - text in the OP is inaccurate; - you're more concerned with winning a bet, than rectifying the mistakes; - when called out on it, you tell another lie. Well, at least I know what I'm dealing with here.

If I could be fkd I'd ad up how many words you've devoted towards lambasting my thread title vs discussing the actual issue. 20 to 1?

I stand by my thread title. I'm outraged that HD is even being considered for FGM.

L :D :DK!! Even SBS have jumped on my lying bandwagon!!!

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2016/03/18/nsw-genital-mutilation-trio-may-avoid-jail

GordyL wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 1:46pm:

Can anyone give a good reason why we need to import religious fanatics like

Genetic infusion? Social diversity? Make Australia less boring?

Improve GordyL's spelling? "Detantion" really?

Svengali wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 3:17pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 1:46pm: Can anyone give a good reason why we need to import religious fanatics like Genetic infusion? Social diversity? Make Australia less boring?

Do you think women with an intact clitoris are boring?

How bizarre!

GordyL wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 3:13pm:

I stand by my thread title. I'm outraged that HD is even being considered for FGM. L :D :DK!! Even SBS have jumped on my lying bandwagon!!! http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2016/03/18/nsw-genital-mutilation-trio-may-avoid-jail

Unlike you, they are telling the truth:

"may not spend a day behind bars."

GordyL wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 3:09pm:

If I could be fkd I'd ad up how many words you've devoted towards lambasting my thread title vs discussing the actual issue. 20 to 1?

It needs to be lambasted.

You lied.

Moreover, it wasn't just the title: you also lied in the OP.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 4:03pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 3:13pm: I stand by my thread title. I'm outraged that HD is even being considered for FGM. L :D :DK!! Even SBS have jumped on my lying bandwagon!!! http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2016/03/18/nsw-genital-mutilation-trio-may-avoid-jail Unlike you, they are telling the truth: "may not spend a day behind bars."

You've devoted a lot of effort into critiquing my syntax as apposed to the actual issue.

So, what do you feel would be an appropriate sentence?

GordyL wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 4:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 4:03pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 3:13pm: I stand by my thread title. I'm outraged that HD is even being considered for FGM. L :D :DK!! Even SBS have jumped on my lying bandwagon!!! http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2016/03/18/nsw-genital-mutilation-trio-may-avoid-jail Unlike you, they are telling the truth: "may not spend a day behind bars." You've devoted a lot of effort into critiquing my syntax as apposed to the actual issue. So, what do you feel would be an appropriate sentence?

You should read all of my posts.

This one, for example.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 4:05pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 3:09pm: If I could be fkd I'd ad up how many words you've devoted towards lambasting my thread title vs discussing the actual issue. 20 to 1? It needs to be lambasted. You lied. Moreover, it wasn't just the title: you also lied in the OP.

Did you bother to read the SBS article ?

NSW Supreme Court Justice Peter Johnson has referred the three to be assessed for home detention.

Do you think this is a strong indication of what the result will be?

GordyL wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 4:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 4:05pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 3:09pm: If I could be fkd I'd ad up how many words you've devoted towards lambasting my thread title vs discussing the actual issue. 20 to 1? It needs to be lambasted. You lied. Moreover, it wasn't just the title: you also lied in the OP. Did you bother to read the SBS article ? NSW Supreme Court Justice Peter Johnson has referred the three to be assessed for home detention. Do you think this is a strong indication of what the result will be?

Absolutely.

The result will be an assessment for home detention.

Thus far, they have not been given home detention - they have been given prison sentences.

Therefore, your thread title and OP are inaccurate.  Lies, if you will.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 4:14pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 4:10pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 4:05pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 3:09pm: If I could be fkd I'd ad up how many words you've devoted towards lambasting my thread title vs discussing the actual issue. 20 to 1? It needs to be lambasted. You lied. Moreover, it wasn't just the title: you also lied in the OP. Did you bother to read the SBS article ? NSW Supreme Court Justice Peter Johnson has referred the three to be assessed for home detention. Do you think this is a strong indication of what the result will be? Absolutely. The result will be an assessment for home detention. Thus far, they have not been given home detention - they have been given prison sentences. Therefore, your thread title and OP are inaccurate.  Lies, if you will.

Or a a foregone conclusion?

Do you think a custodial sentence is more appropriate than HD?

GordyL wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 4:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 4:14pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 4:10pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 4:05pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 3:09pm: If I could be fkd I'd ad up how many words you've devoted towards lambasting my thread title vs discussing the actual issue. 20 to 1? It needs to be lambasted. You lied. Moreover, it wasn't just the title: you also lied in the OP. Did you bother to read the SBS article ? NSW Supreme Court Justice Peter Johnson has referred the three to be assessed for home detention. Do you think this is a strong indication of what the result will be? Absolutely. The result will be an assessment for home detention. Thus far, they have not been given home detention - they have been given prison sentences. Therefore, your thread title and OP are inaccurate.  Lies, if you will. Or a a foregone conclusion? Do you think a custodial sentence is more appropriate than HD?

I told you to read all of my posts.

"I don't see that home detention would be effective, in the case of the midwife."

Seeing that she has already been given a custodial sentence, it's quite clear that's what I think is more appropriate.

It worries me that you couldn't figure that out for yourself.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 4:29pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 4:23pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 4:14pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 4:10pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 4:05pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 3:09pm: If I could be fkd I'd ad up how many words you've devoted towards lambasting my thread title vs discussing the actual issue. 20 to 1? It needs to be lambasted. You lied. Moreover, it wasn't just the title: you also lied in the OP. Did you bother to read the SBS article ? NSW Supreme Court Justice Peter Johnson has referred the three to be assessed for home detention. Do you think this is a strong indication of what the result will be? Absolutely. The result will be an assessment for home detention. Thus far, they have not been given home detention - they have been given prison sentences. Therefore, your thread title and OP are inaccurate.  Lies, if you will. Or a a foregone conclusion? Do you think a custodial sentence is more appropriate than HD? I told you to read all of my posts. "I don't see that home detention would be effective, in the case of the midwife." Seeing that she has already been given a custodial sentence, it's quite clear that's what I think is more appropriate. It worries me that you couldn't figure that out for yourself.

My bad, in my head I was going to ask you WHAT do you feel is an appropriate custodial sentence.

Had it been their lawyer 'suggesting' HD I'd not have posted as such, but it was the judge.

When a JUDGE recommends HD, do you not think this is the most likely outcome?

Pecca .. really?

You're truly an over dramatic pedantic

Home detention vs may not spend a day behind bars

same same

discuss the issue of FGM & whether or not it deserves a mandatory jail sentence

IMHO home detention is a waste of time

all parties involved deserve jail time

It's serious and warrants more than a p1ssy slap on the wrist with HD

TOO scared to deal with the issue as it should be because of PC.

If it's illegal prosecute it as it should be & that includes
the judicial sentencing

Truth in sentencing.

Quote:

Truth in sentencing.

Of course.  But, in far too many cases, the only truth some will accept is their version of it.

Gnads wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 5:40pm:

Pecca .. really? You're truly an over dramatic pedantic Home detention vs may not spend a day behind bars same same

They have not been given home detention.

They have been sentenced to 15 months imprisonment.

Yes, or no?

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 6:33pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 5:40pm: Pecca .. really? You're truly an over dramatic pedantic Home detention vs may not spend a day behind bars same same They have not been given home detention. They have been sentenced to 15 months imprisonment. Yes, or no?

Imprisonment can mean home detention or jail. The court has not decided whether they will serve their imprisonment at home or in jail.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 4:29pm:

[ Seeing that she has already been given a custodial sentence,

No, she hasnt.
It worries me that you couldn't figure that out for yourself.

ian wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 6:40pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 6:33pm: Gnads wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 5:40pm: Pecca .. really? You're truly an over dramatic pedantic Home detention vs may not spend a day behind bars same same They have not been given home detention. They have been sentenced to 15 months imprisonment. Yes, or no? The court has not decided whether they will serve their imprisonment at home or in jail.

Correct.

Aussie wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 5:52pm:

Quote: Truth in sentencing. Of course.  But, in far too many cases, the only truth some will accept is their version of it.

Good afternoon red baron, if you're watching.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 4:14pm:

[ Thus far, they have not been given home detention - they have been given prison sentences.

Incorrect. They have been sentenced to imprisonment.

ian wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 6:44pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 4:14pm: [ Thus far, they have not been given home detention - they have been given prison sentences. Incorrect. They have been sentenced to imprisonment.

Correct.  They have not been given home detention.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 6:47pm:

ian wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 6:44pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 4:14pm: [ Thus far, they have not been given home detention - they have been given prison sentences. Incorrect. They have been sentenced to imprisonment. Correct.  They have not been given home detention.

or prison sentences as you maintain.

ian wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 6:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 6:47pm: ian wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 6:44pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 4:14pm: [ Thus far, they have not been given home detention - they have been given prison sentences. Incorrect. They have been sentenced to imprisonment. Correct.  They have not been given home detention. or prison sentences as you maintain.

Yes.  I willingly concede that point.

If I was a bookie I'd be offering these odds on them getting a custodial sentence.

Mum 1-20
Midwife 1-2
religious guy 1-1

Opinions?

GordyL wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 6:55pm:

If I was a bookie I'd be offering these odds on them getting a custodial sentence. Mum 1-20 Midwife 1-2 religious guy 1-1 Opinions?

I can't see anything good coming from the mother going to prison.

If the midwife is given home detention, she can continue with the butchering.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 7:00pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 6:55pm: If I was a bookie I'd be offering these odds on them getting a custodial sentence. Mum 1-20 Midwife 1-2 religious guy 1-1 Opinions? I can't see anything good coming from the mother going to prison. If the midwife is given home detention, she can continue with the butchering.

What about the religious  'community leader' ?

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 7:00pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 6:55pm: If I was a bookie I'd be offering these odds on them getting a custodial sentence. Mum 1-20 Midwife 1-2 religious guy 1-1 Opinions? I can't see anything good coming from the mother going to prison. If the midwife is given home detention, she can continue with the butchering.

Nothing good comes out of prison. But if you give your kid to some nutjob to mutilate you deserve to experience some suffering.

GordyL wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 7:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:00pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 6:55pm: If I was a bookie I'd be offering these odds on them getting a custodial sentence. Mum 1-20 Midwife 1-2 religious guy 1-1 Opinions? I can't see anything good coming from the mother going to prison. If the midwife is given home detention, she can continue with the butchering. What about the religious  'community leader' ?

"A third offender, senior community leader Shabbir Mohammedbhai Vaziri, was found guilty of acting as an accessory after the fact by directing community members to lie to police about the practice."

Doesn't sound worthy of a prison sentence.

What these people need is education.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 7:12pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:07pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:00pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 6:55pm: If I was a bookie I'd be offering these odds on them getting a custodial sentence. Mum 1-20 Midwife 1-2 religious guy 1-1 Opinions? I can't see anything good coming from the mother going to prison. If the midwife is given home detention, she can continue with the butchering. What about the religious  'community leader' ? "A third offender, senior community leader Shabbir Mohammedbhai Vaziri, was found guilty of acting as an accessory after the fact by directing community members to lie to police about the practice." Doesn't sound worthy of a prison sentence. What these people need is education.

Don't all people who do a crime need education? Sounds like you want these people not to go to prison Pecca? Why?

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 7:12pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:07pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:00pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 6:55pm: If I was a bookie I'd be offering these odds on them getting a custodial sentence. Mum 1-20 Midwife 1-2 religious guy 1-1 Opinions? I can't see anything good coming from the mother going to prison. If the midwife is given home detention, she can continue with the butchering. What about the religious  'community leader' ? "A third offender, senior community leader Shabbir Mohammedbhai Vaziri, was found guilty of acting as an accessory after the fact by directing community members to lie to police about the practice." Doesn't sound worthy of a prison sentence. What these people need is education.

Couldn't peverting the course of justice be added?
I reckon anyone who holds themselves up as a religious leader then uses their position for stuff like this need to be slammed.
5 years for him

I'd give the mum 12 months
Midwife gets the max...7

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 7:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:12pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:07pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:00pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 6:55pm: If I was a bookie I'd be offering these odds on them getting a custodial sentence. Mum 1-20 Midwife 1-2 religious guy 1-1 Opinions? I can't see anything good coming from the mother going to prison. If the midwife is given home detention, she can continue with the butchering. What about the religious  'community leader' ? "A third offender, senior community leader Shabbir Mohammedbhai Vaziri, was found guilty of acting as an accessory after the fact by directing community members to lie to police about the practice." Doesn't sound worthy of a prison sentence. What these people need is education. Don't all people who do a crime need education? Sounds like you want these people not to go to prison Pecca? Why?

Prison is always my last preference.

Apart from people like Bryant et al, of course.

Prison plays its place in society, and some people definitely belong there.

However, I can't see it being beneficial in the case of these three people.

The old girl is sick, and the judge is confident she won't do it again (yes, I know we've heard that before).

The dude lied. I don't see that as a jailable offence.

The mother will be separated from her children. Never a good thing.

Education. That's the key.

I couldn't care less what sex, religion, or skin colour these people are. I'm looking at it objectively.

Perhaps you should try to do the same thing.

GordyL wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 7:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:12pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:07pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:00pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 6:55pm: If I was a bookie I'd be offering these odds on them getting a custodial sentence. Mum 1-20 Midwife 1-2 religious guy 1-1 Opinions? I can't see anything good coming from the mother going to prison. If the midwife is given home detention, she can continue with the butchering. What about the religious  'community leader' ? "A third offender, senior community leader Shabbir Mohammedbhai Vaziri, was found guilty of acting as an accessory after the fact by directing community members to lie to police about the practice." Doesn't sound worthy of a prison sentence. What these people need is education. Couldn't peverting the course of justice be added?

Was it?

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 7:23pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:16pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:12pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:07pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:00pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 6:55pm: If I was a bookie I'd be offering these odds on them getting a custodial sentence. Mum 1-20 Midwife 1-2 religious guy 1-1 Opinions? I can't see anything good coming from the mother going to prison. If the midwife is given home detention, she can continue with the butchering. What about the religious  'community leader' ? "A third offender, senior community leader Shabbir Mohammedbhai Vaziri, was found guilty of acting as an accessory after the fact by directing community members to lie to police about the practice." Doesn't sound worthy of a prison sentence. What these people need is education. Don't all people who do a crime need education? Sounds like you want these people not to go to prison Pecca? Why? Prison is always my last preference. Apart from people like Bryant et al, of course. Prison plays its place in society, and some people definitely belong there. However, I can't see it being beneficial in the case of these three people. The old girl is sick, and the judge is confident she won't do it again (yes, I know we've heard that before). The dude lied. I don't see that as a jailable offence. The mother will be separated from her children. Never a good thing. Education. That's the key. I couldn't care less what sex, religion, or skin colour these people are. I'm looking at it objectively. Perhaps you should try to do the same thing.

I read about this a while back. The only reason they got busted was because one of the little girls got an infection and the treating doctor reported it. These people knew that we don't do this here but they still did it. It's a dangerous backyard procedure with everlasting affects on a females sexuality and the chance of major infection. You do the crime you do the time. Old, young, black or white.

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

The only reason they got busted was because one of the little girls got an infection and the treating doctor reported it. These people knew that we don't do this here but they still did it. It's a dangerous backyard procedure with everlasting affects on a females sexuality and the chance of major infection. You do the crime you do the time. Old, young, black or white.

Yes. I agree with everything you've said.

And, if they are given 15 months home detention, I want to see them serve every single day of it.

As you say: do the crime, do the time.

Nobody here is asking for the sentence, or conviction, to be quashed.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 7:33pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:30pm:The only reason they got busted was because one of the little girls got an infection and the treating doctor reported it. These people knew that we don't do this here but they still did it. It's a dangerous backyard procedure with everlasting affects on a females sexuality and the chance of major infection. You do the crime you do the time. Old, young, black or white.

Yes. I agree with everything you've said.

And, if they are given 15 months home detention, I want to see them serve every single day of it.

As you say: do the crime, do the time.

[/quote]Home detention isn't a punishment. The whole punishment thing about jail is spending your day guarding your cornhole and not getting bashed. These people should really be punished for what they did. Not sitting at home watching Al Jazera.

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 7:36pm:

Home detention isn't a punishment.

That's merely your subjective opinion.

Millions, or even billions, would disagree with you.

The judicial system certainly does.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 7:24pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:20pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:12pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:07pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:00pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 6:55pm: If I was a bookie I'd be offering these odds on them getting a custodial sentence. Mum 1-20 Midwife 1-2 religious guy 1-1 Opinions? I can't see anything good coming from the mother going to prison. If the midwife is given home detention, she can continue with the butchering. What about the religious  'community leader' ? "A third offender, senior community leader Shabbir Mohammedbhai Vaziri, was found guilty of acting as an accessory after the fact by directing community members to lie to police about the practice." Doesn't sound worthy of a prison sentence. What these people need is education. Couldn't peverting the course of justice be added? Was it?

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Community leader also sentenced to 15 months for directing others to lie to police

GordyL wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 7:44pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:24pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:20pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:12pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:07pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:00pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 6:55pm: If I was a bookie I'd be offering these odds on them getting a custodial sentence. Mum 1-20 Midwife 1-2 religious guy 1-1 Opinions? I can't see anything good coming from the mother going to prison. If the midwife is given home detention, she can continue with the butchering. What about the religious  'community leader' ? "A third offender, senior community leader Shabbir Mohammedbhai Vaziri, was found guilty of acting as an accessory after the fact by directing community members to lie to police about the practice." Doesn't sound worthy of a prison sentence. What these people need is education. Couldn't peverting the course of justice be added? Was it? Close  Community leader also sentenced to 15 months for directing others to lie to police

Okay, can we get this straight?

Was he charged and convicted for perverting the course of justice?

It's a simple 'yes' or 'no' answer.

He either was, or he wasn't.

So ... ?

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 7:46pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:44pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:24pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:20pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:12pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:07pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:00pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 6:55pm: If I was a bookie I'd be offering these odds on them getting a custodial sentence. Mum 1-20 Midwife 1-2 religious guy 1-1 Opinions? I can't see anything good coming from the mother going to prison. If the midwife is given home detention, she can continue with the butchering. What about the religious  'community leader' ? "A third offender, senior community leader Shabbir Mohammedbhai Vaziri, was found guilty of acting as an accessory after the fact by directing community members to lie to police about the practice." Doesn't sound worthy of a prison sentence. What these people need is education. Couldn't peverting the course of justice be added? Was it? Close  Community leader also sentenced to 15 months for directing others to lie to police Okay, can we get this straight? Was he charged and convicted for perverting the course of justice? It's a simple 'yes' or 'no' answer. He either was, or he wasn't. So ... ?

I was asking, isn't directing someone to lie to police a candidate for that charge

GordyL wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 7:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:46pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:44pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:24pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:20pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:12pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:07pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:00pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 6:55pm: If I was a bookie I'd be offering these odds on them getting a custodial sentence. Mum 1-20 Midwife 1-2 religious guy 1-1 Opinions? I can't see anything good coming from the mother going to prison. If the midwife is given home detention, she can continue with the butchering. What about the religious  'community leader' ? "A third offender, senior community leader Shabbir Mohammedbhai Vaziri, was found guilty of acting as an accessory after the fact by directing community members to lie to police about the practice." Doesn't sound worthy of a prison sentence. What these people need is education. Couldn't peverting the course of justice be added? Was it? Close  Community leader also sentenced to 15 months for directing others to lie to police Okay, can we get this straight? Was he charged and convicted for perverting the course of justice? It's a simple 'yes' or 'no' answer. He either was, or he wasn't. So ... ? I was asking, isn't directing someone to lie to police a candidate for that charge

Irrelevant.

He has been charged and convicted.

He now needs to serve his sentence (in prison, or at home).

If you think he should be charged with other offences, you should take your concern to the police.

For now though, let's stick with the facts as we know them.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 7:53pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:51pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:46pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:44pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:24pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:20pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:12pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:07pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:00pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 6:55pm: If I was a bookie I'd be offering these odds on them getting a custodial sentence. Mum 1-20 Midwife 1-2 religious guy 1-1 Opinions? I can't see anything good coming from the mother going to prison. If the midwife is given home detention, she can continue with the butchering. What about the religious  'community leader' ? "A third offender, senior community leader Shabbir Mohammedbhai Vaziri, was found guilty of acting as an accessory after the fact by directing community members to lie to police about the practice." Doesn't sound worthy of a prison sentence. What these people need is education. Couldn't peverting the course of justice be added? Was it? Close  Community leader also sentenced to 15 months for directing others to lie to police Okay, can we get this straight? Was he charged and convicted for perverting the course of justice? It's a simple 'yes' or 'no' answer. He either was, or he wasn't. So ... ? I was asking, isn't directing someone to lie to police a candidate for that charge Irrelevant. He has been charged and convicted. He now needs to serve his sentence (in prison, or at home). If you think he should be charged with other offences, you should take your concern to the police. For now though, let's stick with the facts as we know them.

I read earlier that Shabbir Mohammedbhai Vaziri gave his blessings for the mutilations to take place. So basically this community leader gave the green light. When he found out the cops were investigating he went around to all people involved and other members of the community and made up stories and  lies to destroy the investigation. Probably fearing for his own ass. He's a maggot.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 7:53pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:51pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:46pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:44pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:24pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:20pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:12pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:07pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:00pm: GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 6:55pm: If I was a bookie I'd be offering these odds on them getting a custodial sentence. Mum 1-20 Midwife 1-2 religious guy 1-1 Opinions? I can't see anything good coming from the mother going to prison. If the midwife is given home detention, she can continue with the butchering. What about the religious  'community leader' ? "A third offender, senior community leader Shabbir Mohammedbhai Vaziri, was found guilty of acting as an accessory after the fact by directing community members to lie to police about the practice." Doesn't sound worthy of a prison sentence. What these people need is education. Couldn't peverting the course of justice be added? Was it? Close  Community leader also sentenced to 15 months for directing others to lie to police Okay, can we get this straight? Was he charged and convicted for perverting the course of justice? It's a simple 'yes' or 'no' answer. He either was, or he wasn't. So ... ? I was asking, isn't directing someone to lie to police a candidate for that charge Irrelevant. He has been charged and convicted. He now needs to serve his sentence (in prison, or at home). If you think he should be charged with other offences, you should take your concern to the police. For now though, let's stick with the facts as we know them.

Wow were you walking thru a room full of knobs today and slipped over and landed on a big black one ?

Isn't discussing different scenarios and outcomes of things the whole point for a place like this?

GordyL wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 8:02pm:

Isn't discussing different scenarios and outcomes of things the whole point for a place like this?

In this thread, there are two possible outcomes: home detention, or prison.

Why are you discussing additional charges?

Have the police said that they are looking at additional charges?

You seem to want to address everything else, other than the facts. Why is that?

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 8:02pm:

I read earlier that Shabbir Mohammedbhai Vaziri gave his blessings for the mutilations to take place. So basically this community leader gave the green light. When he found out the cops were investigating he went around to all people involved and other members of the community and made up stories and  lies to destroy the investigation. Probably fearing for his own ass. He's a maggot.

Once again, I agree with you.

And, I agree that having done the time he should now do the time.

We agree, Homo.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 8:08pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 8:02pm: I read earlier that Shabbir Mohammedbhai Vaziri gave his blessings for the mutilations to take place. So basically this community leader gave the green light. When he found out the cops were investigating he went around to all people involved and other members of the community and made up stories and  lies to destroy the investigation. Probably fearing for his own ass. He's a maggot. Once again, I agree with you. And, I agree that having done the time he should now do the time. We agree, Homo.

Crikies. Miracles will happen.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 8:06pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 8:02pm: Isn't discussing different scenarios and outcomes of things the whole point for a place like this? In this thread, there are two possible outcomes: home detention, or prison. Why are you discussing additional charges? Have the police said that they are looking at additional charges? You seem to want to address everything else, other than the facts. Why is that?

Because it seems like  PTCOJ would have been an apropriate charge and I'm curious why it wasn't laid.

I feel for the health of the Muslim community being heavy handed with so called religious leaders who do stuff like this should be a priority

GordyL wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 7:51pm:

I was asking, isn't directing someone to lie to police a candidate for that charge

no. he would have had to fabricate evidence or conspire to fabricate evidence for that charge to stick.

ian wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 8:17pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:51pm: I was asking, isn't directing someone to lie to police a candidate for that charge no. he would have had to fabricate evidence or conspire to fabricate evidence for that charge to stick.

I thought someone in a position of authority instructing others to lie qualifies.