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SHOCKING new documentary will reveal the horrors of daily life inside Saudi Arabia. Titled Saudi Arabia Uncovered, the ITV film aims to expose the brutal punishments dished out to those deemed to have broken the country’s strict Islamic laws. At one point a woman accused of killing her stepdaughter is heard screaming “I didn’t do it” before she is beheaded in the street. Another clip shows five corpses strung up from a crane, As well as showing the barbaric reality of life inside Saudi Arabia, the film also questions Britain’s close relationship with the hard line Islamic state. It comes as capital punishment in the country hit a new high, with public executions taking place at a shocking average rate of one person per day. In one clip a woman is seen screaming for mercy as she is pinned down by police officers who eventually use a large sword to cut off her head. So frequent are the brutal executions that one large public space in central Riyadh is nicknamed ‘Chop Chop Square’ due to the sheer number of state-sanctioned killings there. Drains in the square are stained red due to the amount of amount of blood spilt there. The documentary was filmed using secret cameras over a six-month period and reveals a chaotic prison system, abject poverty on the streets and an incredibly strict religious police force. It also reveals the shocking treatment of burqa-clad women, who are very much second class citizens. In one shocking scene an unprovoked man is secretly filmed shoving a woman to the floor in a supermarket. Saudi Arabia Uncovered, produced by Hardcash Productions, airs on British TV screens tomorrow night. COMPARISONS TO ISLAMIC STATE: Women beheaded in the street and corpses dangling from cranes shows how Saudi Arabia is just as bad as Islamic State when it comes to dealing out brutal punishments. Last year, IS released a penal code which listed crimes punishable by methods including amputation, stoning and crucifixion. The code, titled ‘Clarification [regarding] the hudud (a set of fixed punishments)’, was published as a reminder and warning to those living under IS rule in Syria and Iraq. It stipulated the need for Muslims to adhere to tough Sharia codes of conduct but also warned ‘crimes’ such as homosexuality will result in the death penalty. Interestingly, Middle East Eye compared the punishment methods of Saudi Arabia and IS and found they were pretty much identical.

Islamapeasers like Greggy Pecca, and other Labor/Green voters, had better be careful what they wish for...

keep bringing in Muslims/Islamists into Australia and this is what you'll get... 

A very interesting book I read, shortly after it came out I think:

http://www.amazon.com/Princess-True-Story-Behind-Saudi/dp/0967673747

I'd really love to do a documentary, 'Inside Australia's Mosques'. Hidden cameras etc and find out what Muslims REALLY think.

Would you really have to?

I think we've already seen enough evidence to know what they think.

The secret camera into the aussie mosque showing the young boys being indocrinated/radicalised by Hizb ut- Tahrir member Bilal Merhi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E

Gnads wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 9:38am:

Would you really have to? I think we've already seen enough evidence to know what they think. The secret camera into the aussie mosque showing the young boys being indocrinated/radicalised by Hizb ut- Tahrir member Bilal Merhi. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E

Yeah I saw that, and exactly what's expected from Hizbut diarrhea.. I'd like to get intel on the ones who are considered 'good Muslims'.

There is no such animal as a "moderate" Muslim.

If you live any other way than by the Quoran then you are not a true or good Muslim.

And the fundamentalists/radicals have the rest bluffed.

GordyL wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 8:51am:

I'd really love to do a documentary, 'Inside Australia's Mosques'. Hidden cameras etc and find out what Muslims REALLY think.

GordyL,

This has already been done in the UK.

And it was a shocker, for Brits !!!!!

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Watch Channel 4 [UK] Undercover Mosque on YT

Google;
dispatches undercover mosque, channel 4, -Return




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AND HERE WE HAVE 'MODERATE' MOSLEMS, LIVING IN AUSTRALIA.

[n.b. these persons are Hizb ut-Tahrir moslems, who all 'denounce' the use of violence, to impose ISLAM upon others]

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The Struggle for Islam in the West _ Trailer_ Khilafah Conference 2010; Hizb ut-Tahrir Australia                         [circa 2010]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5RtutmDLVU


n.b.
It is a fact, that those moslems, all 'denounce' the use of violence, to impose ISLAM upon others,       ...while they know, that they are powerless to do otherwise.

How very tolerant of them!

/sarc off



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Essentially, we already know what would be discovered uncovered.

How so ?

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Every moslem, is a moslem.


Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.





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"[a respected moslem community spokesman has] called on Australian Muslims to spurn secular democracy and Western notions of moderate Islam... ...[moslems in Australia were told] that democracy is "haram" (forbidden) for Muslims, whose political engagement should be be based purely on Islamic law. "We must adhere to Islam and Islam alone," Mr Hanif [said]"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/australia-members-of-hizb-ut-tahrir-say-country-is-god-forsaken-and-that-muslims-must-shun-secular-a.html



Moslem clerics [behind closed doors] teach their flock, that moslems should not respect, nor obey, our 'man-made' laws.

And they encourage moslems, to try to undermine our society, in every 'peaceful' [i.e. surreptitious] way that they can.

All moslems want to weaken and destroy our society, because our society is 'corrupt' [i.e. it isn't ISLAMIC].



This is the religious/Koranic justification which Australian imams can cite, when they counsel Australian moslems to ['slyly' and wherever they can] disobey Australian laws, and when they seek to destroy the peace of our nation commonwealth.

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"O Prophet! Keep thy duty to Allah and obey not the disbelievers and the hypocrites. Lo! Allah is Knower, Wise.
And follow that which is inspired in thee from thy Lord. Lo! Allah is Aware of what ye do."
Koran 033.1, 2

Didn't Cassius Marcellus Clay Jr. become a muslim cause your not allowed to kill people and so avoided going to Vietnam and was put in jail.

How times have changed, maybe its the people rather than the religion.

Then you would have t ask what made the people like this..?

Could it be that they constantly find themselves in a state of WAR.....!!!

If you saw your mother, father, brother, sister, family and friends die would you be any different......??

The Islamophobia is strong this morning.


http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/61319070.jpg

Its sure is





http://blogs.news.com.au/images/uploads/brusphob_thumb.png

Ajax wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 10:03am:

Didn't Cassius Marcellus Clay Jr. become a muslim cause your not allowed to kill people and so avoided going to Vietnam and was put in jail. How times have changed, maybe its the people rather than the religion. Then you would have t ask what made the people like this..? Could it be that they constantly find themselves in a state of WAR.....!!! If you saw your mother, father, brother, sister, family and friends die would you be any different......??

What about Tunisia? Right after the Arab spring and the Govt was deposed, Islamism flourished. There was no war in Tunisia.

Tunisians account for the highest amount of foreign fighters for IS.

Blame USA?

https://memecrunch.com/meme/AACXO/uneducated-bigots/image.png

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 10:22am:

https://memecrunch.com/meme/AACXO/uneducated-bigots/image.png

Are these guys who rioted in Hyde Park also uneducated bigots?

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GordyL wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 10:26am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 10:22am: https://memecrunch.com/meme/AACXO/uneducated-bigots/image.png Are these guys who rioted in Hyde Park also uneducated bigots?

Yep.

Complete fools.

Ajax wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 10:03am:

Didn't Cassius Marcellus Clay Jr. become a muslim cause your not allowed to kill people and so avoided going to Vietnam and was put in jail. How times have changed, maybe its the people rather than the religion. Then you would have t ask what made the people like this..? Could it be that they constantly find themselves in a state of WAR.....!!! If you saw your mother, father, brother, sister, family and friends die would you be any different......??

Perhaps they are just following Muhammed's example.


greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 10:26am:

GordyL wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 10:26am: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 10:22am: https://memecrunch.com/meme/AACXO/uneducated-bigots/image.png Are these guys who rioted in Hyde Park also uneducated bigots? Yep. Complete fools.

Muslims.

Saudi Arabia Uncovered on bit torrent, will watch tonight.

freediver wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 1:39pm:

Ajax wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 10:03am: Didn't Cassius Marcellus Clay Jr. become a muslim cause your not allowed to kill people and so avoided going to Vietnam and was put in jail. How times have changed, maybe its the people rather than the religion. Then you would have t ask what made the people like this..? Could it be that they constantly find themselves in a state of WAR.....!!! If you saw your mother, father, brother, sister, family and friends die would you be any different......?? Perhaps they are just following Muhammed's example. greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 10:26am: GordyL wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 10:26am: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 10:22am: https://memecrunch.com/meme/AACXO/uneducated-bigots/image.png Are these guys who rioted in Hyde Park also uneducated bigots? Yep. Complete fools. Muslims.

Yes.

You'll find fools in all religions, all countries, and all walks of life.

Did you not know that?

They are particularly concentrated in Islam. Did you know that?

freediver wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 4:40pm:

They are particularly concentrated in Islam. Did you know that?

Have you seen 1000 Indians rampage thru the Hyde Park?
Is there an Indian organised crime squad?
How many Indians have been involved in terror plots in Australia?

Did 1000 Chinese rampage thru the Hyde Park?
Is there a Chinese organised crime squad?
How many Chinese have been involved in terror plots in Australia?

Did 1000 Thais rampage thru the Hyde Park?
Is there an Thai organised crime squad?
How many Thais have been involved in terror plots in Australia?

freediver wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 4:40pm:

They are particularly concentrated in Islam. Did you know that?

Your personal opinion is of little value to me.

There are fools everywhere. Everywhere.

From my observations, and personal experience, I see no higher concentration of fools in Islam than in Christianity.

Then again, I'm not an Islamophobe so I suppose having an open mind goes a long way to explaining why I have a rational, unbiased view on this matter.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 5:32pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 4:40pm: They are particularly concentrated in Islam. Did you know that? Your personal opinion is of little value to me. There are fools everywhere. Everywhere. From my observations, and personal experience, I see no higher concentration of fools in Islam than in Christianity. Then again, I'm not an Islamophobe so I suppose having an open mind goes a long way to explaining why I have a rational, unbiased view on this matter.

If we're comparing inquisition era Christianity to current day Islam, I agree with you.

Ajax wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 10:03am:

Didn't Cassius Marcellus Clay Jr. become a muslim cause your not allowed to kill people and so avoided going to Vietnam and was put in jail.

No, muslims are allowed to kill non muslims and what Allah calls hypocrite muslims .

Muhammad Ali converted to shia Islam, no Sunni would name their kids after the shia caliph Ali.

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 6:18pm:

Ajax wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 10:03am: Didn't Cassius Marcellus Clay Jr. become a muslim cause your not allowed to kill people and so avoided going to Vietnam and was put in jail. No, muslims are allowed to kill non muslims and what Allah calls hypocrite muslims .

That's why when Muslims say they can't take an 'innocent' life it's worlds biggest GOTCHA moment.

non believers aren't innocent
apostates aren't innocent
gays aren't innocent
shia aren't innocent

GOTCHA!!!

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 5:32pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 4:40pm: They are particularly concentrated in Islam. Did you know that? Your personal opinion is of little value to me. There are fools everywhere. Everywhere. From my observations, and personal experience, I see no higher concentration of fools in Islam than in Christianity. Then again, I'm not an Islamophobe so I suppose having an open mind goes a long way to explaining why I have a rational, unbiased view on this matter.

They keep a lot of them in Saudi Arabia, where they marry their cousins. Did you know that?

Thank God for book learning eh? Otherwise all you would have to go on is your limited observations and experience.

https://www.questia.com/library/journal/1P3-2018704731/the-comparison-of-mean-iq-in-muslim-and-non-muslim

The present research found that the Muslim country mean IQ of 81 is half a standard deviation below the mean IQ of non-Muslim nations and is not related to strength of Muslim culture as defined by the percentage of Muslims in the country. The mean IQ of 84 in Arab countries is not associated with per capita income and is incompatible with the intellectual achievements of the golden age of the Muslim Empire. Possible explanations for this decline include hybridization with sub-Saharan Africans, dysgenic decrease in the more educated Muslims employing birth control as suggested by Meisenberg, the Muslim religion not fostering critical thinking, and the intellectual contributions being both exaggerated and made by non-Muslims.

http://10news.dk/?p=526

Muslim Inbreeding: Impacts on intelligence, sanity, health and society

Massive inbreeding within the Muslim culture during the last 1.400 years may have done catastrophic damage to their gene pool. The consequences of intermarriage between first cousins often have serious impact on the offspring’s intelligence, sanity, health and on their surroundings.

freediver wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 8:51pm:

They keep a lot of them in Saudi Arabia, where they marry their cousins. Did you know that?

not exactly a practice that's limited to Islam  :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 9:12pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 8:51pm: They keep a lot of them in Saudi Arabia, where they marry their cousins. Did you know that? not exactly a practice that's limited to Islam  :D :D :D

I'm sure it's just a coincidence then.

GordyL wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 5:41pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 5:32pm: freediver wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 4:40pm: They are particularly concentrated in Islam. Did you know that? Your personal opinion is of little value to me. There are fools everywhere. Everywhere. From my observations, and personal experience, I see no higher concentration of fools in Islam than in Christianity. Then again, I'm not an Islamophobe so I suppose having an open mind goes a long way to explaining why I have a rational, unbiased view on this matter. If we're comparing inquisition era Christianity to current day Islam, I agree with you.

No: contemporary Christians.

There are many, many fools among them.

freediver wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 9:14pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 9:12pm: freediver wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 8:51pm: They keep a lot of them in Saudi Arabia, where they marry their cousins. Did you know that? not exactly a practice that's limited to Islam  :D :D :D I'm sure it's just a coincidence then.

Coincidence? not exactly how I would put it. All sorts of people do all sorts of things that I wouldn't necessarily agree with. I know several people that have married their cousins. I was skeptical at first too, but they've been happily married for over 20 and 25 yrs respectively now. Who am I to say they were wrong? they're happy with their choice and that's all that counts ...................... afterall,  they have to live with it.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 9:22pm:

No: contemporary Christians.

http://www.loonwatch.com/2015/03/devout-christian-goes-on-rampage-at-new-orleans-airport-and-you-didnt-hear-about-it/

and not one mention of the word terrorist

http://www.smh.com.au/world/christian-militias-rampage-in-central-african-republic-20140112-hv868.html
just imagine the faux outrage if muslims had resorted to cannibalism




oh wait, are they contemporary?
:D :D

John Smith wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 9:26pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 9:14pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 9:12pm: freediver wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 8:51pm: They keep a lot of them in Saudi Arabia, where they marry their cousins. Did you know that? not exactly a practice that's limited to Islam  :D :D :D I'm sure it's just a coincidence then. Coincidence? not exactly how I would put it. All sorts of people do all sorts of things that I wouldn't necessarily agree with. I know several people that have married their cousins. I was skeptical at first too, but they've been happily married for over 20 and 25 yrs respectively now. Who am I to say they were wrong? they're happy with their choice and that's all that counts ...................... afterall,  they have to live with it.

If they bring it back in fashion we could end up like Saudi Arabia. Then it would be much easier for you to spot the idiots to flesh out your apologism.

Your next assignment is to find a non-Muslim terrorist and use it to disprove the bleeding obvious.

"Back in the United States, the percentage of terror attacks committed by Muslims is almost as miniscule as in Europe. An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims.Jan 14, 2015"

There you go

Thanks Greg, but we need examples.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 10:10am:

The Islamophobia is strong this morning. http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/61319070.jpg

Is that an observation from an Anglophobe?

Gnads wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:07am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 10:10am: The Islamophobia is strong this morning. http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/61319070.jpg Is that an observation from an Anglophobe?

All he posts are meaningless glib comments and memes.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 9:46pm:

"Back in the United States, the percentage of terror attacks committed by Muslims is almost as miniscule as in Europe. An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims.Jan 14, 2015" There you go

It is much harder for Muzlims to get to the USA and Australia. Hence lower atrocity rates. That does not mean their religion does not require them to kill infidels.

issuevoter wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 9:10am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 9:46pm: "Back in the United States, the percentage of terror attacks committed by Muslims is almost as miniscule as in Europe. An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims.Jan 14, 2015" There you go It is much harder for Muzlims to get to the USA and Australia. Hence lower atrocity rates. That does not mean their religion does not require them to kill infidels.

Changing the subject after being presented with the evidence that was requested.

Ah.

freediver wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 7:42am:

Thanks Greg, but we need examples.

Knock yourself out.

Examples

freediver wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 9:42pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 9:26pm: freediver wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 9:14pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 9:12pm: freediver wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 8:51pm: They keep a lot of them in Saudi Arabia, where they marry their cousins. Did you know that? not exactly a practice that's limited to Islam  :D :D :D I'm sure it's just a coincidence then. Coincidence? not exactly how I would put it. All sorts of people do all sorts of things that I wouldn't necessarily agree with. I know several people that have married their cousins. I was skeptical at first too, but they've been happily married for over 20 and 25 yrs respectively now. Who am I to say they were wrong? they're happy with their choice and that's all that counts ...................... afterall,  they have to live with it. If they bring it back in fashion we could end up like Saudi Arabia. Then it would be much easier for you to spot the idiots to flesh out your apologism. Your next assignment is to find a non-Muslim terrorist and use it to disprove the bleeding obvious.

Who said anything about bringing it into fashion? You know that if you have to take things to the ridiculous and the extreme then your argument is already lost

You also forgot to add something about your concern for womens rights in there FD. Surely that's an oversight. :D :D

freediver wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 7:42am:

Thanks Greg, but we need examples.

sorry, but Murdock doesn't put up 5 page spreads unless it's a muslim

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 9:46pm:

"Back in the United States, the percentage of terror attacks committed by Muslims is almost as miniscule as in Europe. An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims.Jan 14, 2015" There you go

Miniscule? And yet terror attacks by Muslims are responsible for the vast majority of deaths and mutilations amongst all attacks. 1 terror attack committed by Muslims  itself alone eclipsed the total death toll for all other terror attacks in the US in the preceding century.Muslims are extraordinarily successful at killing and maiming, a point you have just highlighted.

ian wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:14am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 9:46pm: "Back in the United States, the percentage of terror attacks committed by Muslims is almost as miniscule as in Europe. An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims.Jan 14, 2015" There you go Miniscule? And yet terror attacks by Muslims are responsible for the vast majority of deaths and mutilations amongst all attacks. 1 terror attack committed by Muslims  itself alone eclipsed the total death toll for all other terror attacks in the US in the preceding century.Muslims are extraordinarily successful at killing and maiming, a point you have just highlighted.

Changing the subject after being presented with the evidence that was requested.

Ah.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:15am:

ian wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 10:14am: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 9:46pm: "Back in the United States, the percentage of terror attacks committed by Muslims is almost as miniscule as in Europe. An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims.Jan 14, 2015" There you go Miniscule? And yet terror attacks by Muslims are responsible for the vast majority of deaths and mutilations amongst all attacks. 1 terror attack committed by Muslims  itself alone eclipsed the total death toll for all other terror attacks in the US in the preceding century.Muslims are extraordinarily successful at killing and maiming, a point you have just highlighted. Changing the subject after being presented with the evidence that was requested. Ah.

Keep back pedalling. Its quite obvious some guy with a pen knife randomly attacking someone because they wear a turban while off his meds is comparable to the hijacking of planes and flying them into the twin towers killing thousands of people.

ian wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:24am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 10:15am: ian wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 10:14am: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 9:46pm: "Back in the United States, the percentage of terror attacks committed by Muslims is almost as miniscule as in Europe. An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims.Jan 14, 2015" There you go Miniscule? And yet terror attacks by Muslims are responsible for the vast majority of deaths and mutilations amongst all attacks. 1 terror attack committed by Muslims  itself alone eclipsed the total death toll for all other terror attacks in the US in the preceding century.Muslims are extraordinarily successful at killing and maiming, a point you have just highlighted. Changing the subject after being presented with the evidence that was requested. Ah. Keep back pedalling. Its quite obvious some guy with a pen knife randomly attacking someone because they wear a turban while off his meds is comparable to the hijacking of planes and flying them into the twin towers killing thousands of people.

You have been given the evidence that proves the point, and now you change the subject.

Not a good look, ian.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 9:46pm:

"Back in the United States, the percentage of terror attacks committed by Muslims is almost as miniscule as in Europe. An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims.Jan 14, 2015" There you go

Muslims are around 1% of the population in the USA yet they have racked up more dead bodies than all the other graffiti artists/terrorists in the USA.

Pakistan is 98% muslim they have over 35,000 dead from Islamic terror since 9/11 they also top the list with honour killings.

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:40am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 9:46pm: "Back in the United States, the percentage of terror attacks committed by Muslims is almost as miniscule as in Europe. An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims.Jan 14, 2015" There you go Muslims are around 1% of the population in the USA yet they have racked up more dead bodies than all the other graffiti artists/terrorists in the USA. Pakistan is 98% muslim they have over 35,000 dead from Islamic terror since 9/11 they also top the list with honour killings.

The evidence has proven the point, beyond all doubt.

Now, you change the subject.

Not a good look.

Admit defeat like a man, and walk away with dignity.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:44am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 10:40am: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 9:46pm: "Back in the United States, the percentage of terror attacks committed by Muslims is almost as miniscule as in Europe. An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims.Jan 14, 2015" There you go Muslims are around 1% of the population in the USA yet they have racked up more dead bodies than all the other graffiti artists/terrorists in the USA. Pakistan is 98% muslim they have over 35,000 dead from Islamic terror since 9/11 they also top the list with honour killings. The evidence has proven the point, beyond all doubt. Now, you change the subject. Not a good look. Admit defeat like a man, and walk away with dignity.

The FBI includes graffiti attacks with no deaths as terrorism, we have already gone over that numerous times in this forum.
Muslims are around 1% in the USA.

Pakistan is 98% muslim with over 35,000 killed by Islamic terror since 9/11.

You are the only poster here with no dignity or intelligence little pecca, we know you cannot walk away because you have no life outside of this forum which you infect 24/7.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 9:41am:

freediver wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 7:42am: Thanks Greg, but we need examples. Knock yourself out. Examples

From the list of terrorist incidents on the last page of the report quoted in the link:



"  .... 2/25/1999      Monmouth, OR      Arson      Earth Liberation Front      
12/31/1999      East Lansing, MI      Arson      Earth Liberation Front      
1/3/2000      Petaluma, CA      Incendiary Attack      Animal Liberation Front      
1/15/2000      Petaluma, CA      Incendiary Attack      Animal Liberation Front      
1/22/2000      Bloomington, IN      Arson      Earth Liberation Front      
5/7/2000      Olympia, WA      Arson      Revenge of the Trees      
7/2/2000      North Vernon, IN      Arson      Animal Liberation Front      
7/20/2000      Rhinelander, WI      Vandalism      Earth Liberation Front      
12/1/2000      Phoenix, AZ      Multiple Arsons      Mark Warren Sands      
12/9-30/00      Suffolk County, Long Island, NY
     Multiple Arsons      Earth Liberation Front      
1/2/2001      Glendale, OR      Arson      Earth Liberation Front      
2/20/2001      Visalia, CA      Arson      Earth Liberation Front      
3/9/2001      Culpeper, VA      Tree Spiking      Earth Liberation Front      
3/30/2001      Eugene, OR      Arson      Earth Liberation Front      
4/15/2001      Portland, OR      Arson      Earth Liberation Front      
5/17/2001      Harrisburg, PA      Bank Robbery      Clayton Lee Waagner      
5/21/2001      Seattle, WA      Arson      Earth Liberation Front      
5/21/2001      Clatskanie, OR      Arson      Earth Liberation Front      
7/24/2001      Stateline, NV      Destruction of Property      Earth Liberation Front .... "
 

IMOHO, tree spiking by the Earth Liberation Front hardly warrants the description of 'terrorism'. Further breakdown of the figures given also lists a terrorist act by a group called Revenge of the Trees, who committed arson. There were also quite a number of bombings by politically motivated groups whose origins lie outside the USA.

From the link, from 1980 t0 2005, there were 3,178 killed and 14,038  wounded.

Disturbing figures, until we hit 9/11/2001 - remember that?

2,972 killed and est. 12,000 wounded.

Domestic terrorism in the USA, indeed.   ;D ;D ;D

What would one find if one Googled the list of atrocities attributed to Islam in the same period? Even in just one Middle-Eastern Islamic nation? Does beheading even count as an act of terrorism when we look at Saudi-Arabia? Or is that considered justice - like throwing people off buildings?

So, greggery, you've given an example.

Well done!

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:30am:

ian wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 10:24am: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 10:15am: ian wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 10:14am: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 9:46pm: "Back in the United States, the percentage of terror attacks committed by Muslims is almost as miniscule as in Europe. An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims.Jan 14, 2015" There you go Miniscule? And yet terror attacks by Muslims are responsible for the vast majority of deaths and mutilations amongst all attacks. 1 terror attack committed by Muslims  itself alone eclipsed the total death toll for all other terror attacks in the US in the preceding century.Muslims are extraordinarily successful at killing and maiming, a point you have just highlighted. Changing the subject after being presented with the evidence that was requested. Ah. Keep back pedalling. Its quite obvious some guy with a pen knife randomly attacking someone because they wear a turban while off his meds is comparable to the hijacking of planes and flying them into the twin towers killing thousands of people. You have been given the evidence that proves the point, and now you change the subject. Not a good look, ian.

Im sorry, i forgot about the terrorist acts of tree spiking. The horror, the horror.

Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 11:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 9:41am: freediver wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 7:42am: Thanks Greg, but we need examples. Knock yourself out. Examples From the list of terrorist incidents on the last page of the report quoted in the link: "  .... 2/25/1999      Monmouth, OR      Arson      Earth Liberation Front       12/31/1999      East Lansing, MI      Arson      Earth Liberation Front       1/3/2000      Petaluma, CA      Incendiary Attack      Animal Liberation Front       1/15/2000      Petaluma, CA      Incendiary Attack      Animal Liberation Front       1/22/2000      Bloomington, IN      Arson      Earth Liberation Front       5/7/2000      Olympia, WA      Arson      Revenge of the Trees       7/2/2000      North Vernon, IN      Arson      Animal Liberation Front       7/20/2000      Rhinelander, WI      Vandalism      Earth Liberation Front       12/1/2000      Phoenix, AZ      Multiple Arsons      Mark Warren Sands       12/9-30/00      Suffolk County, Long Island, NY      Multiple Arsons      Earth Liberation Front       1/2/2001      Glendale, OR      Arson      Earth Liberation Front       2/20/2001      Visalia, CA      Arson      Earth Liberation Front       3/9/2001      Culpeper, VA      Tree Spiking      Earth Liberation Front       3/30/2001      Eugene, OR      Arson      Earth Liberation Front       4/15/2001      Portland, OR      Arson      Earth Liberation Front       5/17/2001      Harrisburg, PA      Bank Robbery      Clayton Lee Waagner       5/21/2001      Seattle, WA      Arson      Earth Liberation Front       5/21/2001      Clatskanie, OR      Arson      Earth Liberation Front       7/24/2001      Stateline, NV      Destruction of Property      Earth Liberation Front .... "   IMOHO, tree spiking by the Earth Liberation Front hardly warrants the description of 'terrorism'. Further breakdown of the figures given also lists a terrorist act by a group called Revenge of the Trees, who committed arson. There were also quite a number of bombings by politically motivated groups whose origins lie outside the USA. From the link, from 1980 t0 2005, there were 3,178 killed and 14,038  wounded. Disturbing figures, until we hit 9/11/2001 - remember that? 2,972 killed and est. 12,000 wounded. Domestic terrorism in the USA, indeed.   ;D ;D ;D What would one find if one Googled the list of atrocities attributed to Islam in the same period? Even in just one Middle-Eastern Islamic nation? Does beheading even count as an act of terrorism when we look at Saudi-Arabia? Or is that considered justice - like throwing people off buildings? So, greggery, you've given an example. Well done!

The LNP Baird govt in NSW has declared towns people & farmers protesting against coal mines & CSG as terrorists.

Just about sums up the misuse of terminology by idiot politicians.

Islamaphobia is another misused weasel word used by weasels.

Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 11:00am:

So, greggery, you've given an example. Well done!

Thank you.

Yes, I gave many, and they have proven the point beyond all reasonable doubt.

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:49am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 10:44am: Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 10:40am: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 9:46pm: "Back in the United States, the percentage of terror attacks committed by Muslims is almost as miniscule as in Europe. An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims.Jan 14, 2015" There you go Muslims are around 1% of the population in the USA yet they have racked up more dead bodies than all the other graffiti artists/terrorists in the USA. Pakistan is 98% muslim they have over 35,000 dead from Islamic terror since 9/11 they also top the list with honour killings. The evidence has proven the point, beyond all doubt. Now, you change the subject. Not a good look. Admit defeat like a man, and walk away with dignity. The FBI includes graffiti attacks with no deaths as terrorism.

If you have issues with that, you'll have to contact the FBI.

I don't make the rules - they do.

The point has been proven beyond all reasonable doubt.  You're just trying to save face now, but you're not doing a very good job.

Lol at greggarys massive fail and humiliation here.

ian wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 12:12pm:

Lol at greggarys massive fail and humiliation here.

The point has been proven beyond all reasonable doubt, with the many examples cited from the FBI.

The only failure here comes from those who don't understand what terrorism is, and those who then try to cover up their embarrassment by changing the subject.

Thankfully, we all see through those pathetic ploys.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 11:54am:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 11:00am: So, greggery, you've given an example. Well done! Thank you. Yes, I gave many, and they have proven the point beyond all reasonable doubt.

Very clever.

Yes, you have posted many. And the fact that you have posted them has proven your point - that of posting them - beyond all reasonable doubt.

However, greggery, that is all your links have provided.

You  posted   ... "Back in the United States, the percentage of terror attacks committed by Muslims is almost as miniscule as in Europe. An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims.Jan 14, 2015 ...."

If we were to twist the figures a bit, something that I believe can be done with relative ease, we might consider the percentage of the killed and the wounded by Islam during the same period.

Here they are again:

" ... From the link, from 1980 t0 2005, there were 3,178 killed and 14,038  wounded.

Disturbing figures, until we hit 9/11/2001 - remember that?

2,972 killed and est. 12,000 wounded. ..."

Do the figures for me, clever man, and compare all those killed by, say, tree spikers as against those by Islam as a percentage.

And we've gone nowhere near Europe or the Middle East yet, because those statistics are not yet relevant to the point at hand.

Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 12:26pm:

Do the figures for me, clever man, and compare all those killed by, say, tree spikers as against those by Islam as a percentage.

The amount of total deaths was not the subject being addressed.

So, don't change the subject now that you've lost the argument.

The original point has been proven beyond all reasonable doubt, with the help of many examples cited from the FBI.

You lose, and I win.

You'll have to learn to live with it.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 12:19pm:

ian wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 12:12pm: Lol at greggarys massive fail and humiliation here. The point has been proven beyond all reasonable doubt, with the many examples cited from the FBI. The only failure here comes from those who don't understand what terrorism is, and those who then try to cover up their embarrassment by changing the subject. Thankfully, we all see through those pathetic ploys.

Yes, we need to be on guard against tree spikers. They are the real threat to western civilisation. Lol.

Lol. @ greggary pretending he has won the argument.

ian wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 12:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 12:19pm: ian wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 12:12pm: Lol at greggarys massive fail and humiliation here. The point has been proven beyond all reasonable doubt, with the many examples cited from the FBI. The only failure here comes from those who don't understand what terrorism is, and those who then try to cover up their embarrassment by changing the subject. Thankfully, we all see through those pathetic ploys. Yes, we need to be on guard against tree spikers. They are the real threat to western civilisation.

I've never heard anyone make that claim before.

What is about them that concerns you, ian?

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 12:31pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 12:26pm: Do the figures for me, clever man, and compare all those killed by, say, tree spikers as against those by Islam as a percentage. The amount of total deaths was not the subject being addressed. So, don't change the subject now that you've lost the argument. The original point has been proven beyond all reasonable doubt, with the help of many examples cited from the FBI. You lose, and I win. You'll have to learn to live with it.

And you are the arbiter here?  ;D ;D

Cleverer still.

I have to assume the original point was : "Are All Terrorists Muslims? It’s Not Even Close." I have to assume that because that was the first link you provided. And written by Dean Oebidallah, no less.

If I have failed to address the subject, please indulge me by reintroducing the subject matter.

Somewhere, somehow, the subject seems to lost objectivity.

Now what was your point, specifically, that you to which were referring?

" ... The evidence has proven the point, beyond all doubt.

Now, you change the subject.

Not a good look.

Admit defeat like a man, and walk away with dignity. ... "

Show me that card trick again?

The point has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt?

Really?

I win, you lose!

8-)

Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 12:55pm:

The point has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt? Really?

Yes, really.

freediver: "Your next assignment is to find a non-Muslim terrorist and use it to disprove the bleeding obvious."

Done.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 9:41am:

freediver wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 7:42am: Thanks Greg, but we need examples. Knock yourself out. Examples

Didn't see any example there Greg. Would you like to post one?

ian wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 12:51pm:

Lol. @ greggary pretending he has won the argument.

Greg confuses stamina, constant presence, unsupported statements of opinion, posting of pictures and schoolyard taunts of homosexuality or hints of pedophelia with debate.

Blokes a clown and a troll.  If this purports to be a political debate forum no wonder you are losing members. 

freediver wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 12:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 9:41am: freediver wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 7:42am: Thanks Greg, but we need examples. Knock yourself out. Examples Didn't see any example there Greg. Would you like to post one?

Look harder.

There are many, many examples there.

I accepted your challenge, and provided more than was asked for.

These are the facts.

;D

freediver wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 1:01pm:

;D

Your white flag has been accepted.

Perhaps you'll think twice next time.

ian wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 12:51pm:

greggary has won the argument.

Indeed.

It wasn't difficult.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 1:09pm:

ian wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 12:51pm: greggary has won the argument. Indeed. It wasn't difficult.

I should add to my previous post, truncating and editing posts to change the posters intent. 

A dishonest clown and troll. 

Secret Wars wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 1:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 1:09pm: ian wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 12:51pm: greggary has won the argument. Indeed. It wasn't difficult. I should add to my previous post.

Nah.

We've heard enough from you.

Thanks, anyway.

Greg would it be fair to conclude from those examples you posted that Muslims are making terrorists look bad?

freediver wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 4:40pm:

They are particularly concentrated in Islam. Did you know that?

;D ;D ;D

Oh surely not?

GordyL wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 6:38pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 6:18pm: Ajax wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 10:03am: Didn't Cassius Marcellus Clay Jr. become a muslim cause your not allowed to kill people and so avoided going to Vietnam and was put in jail. No, muslims are allowed to kill non muslims and what Allah calls hypocrite muslims . That's why when Muslims say they can't take an 'innocent' life it's worlds biggest GOTCHA moment. non believers aren't innocent apostates aren't innocent gays aren't innocent shia aren't innocent GOTCHA!!!

Raped women aren't innocent.
Jews aren't innocent.
Westernised Muslim daughters aren't innocent.
Cartoonists aren't innocent.
Sellers of alcohol aren't innocent.
Pork product eaters aren't innocent.
Dog lovers aren't innocent.

freediver wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 1:17pm:

Greg would it be fair to conclude from those examples you posted that Muslims are making terrorists look bad?

It would be fair to say that terrorists make humans look bad.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 1:15pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 1:13pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 1:09pm: ian wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 12:51pm: greggary has won the argument. Indeed. It wasn't difficult. I should add to my previous post.  Nah. We've heard enough from you. Thanks, anyway.

We?  Another thing you confuse, your own posts as a stated opinion and cheerleader of others. 

Not doing too well today are you.  Lookin' a right dishonest clown and troll.

Secret Wars wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 2:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 1:15pm: Secret Wars wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 1:13pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 1:09pm: ian wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 12:51pm: greggary has won the argument. Indeed. It wasn't difficult. I should add to my previous post.  Nah. We've heard enough from you. Thanks, anyway. Another thing ...

You had your chance. Sorry.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 1:53pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 1:17pm: Greg would it be fair to conclude from those examples you posted that Muslims are making terrorists look bad? It would be fair to say that terrorists make humans look bad.

Would it be fair to conclude from those examples you posted that Muslims are making terrorists look bad?

freediver wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 2:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 1:53pm: freediver wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 1:17pm: Greg would it be fair to conclude from those examples you posted that Muslims are making terrorists look bad? It would be fair to say that terrorists make humans look bad. Would it be fair to conclude from those examples you posted that Muslims are making terrorists look bad?

No.

Terrorists don't need anyone's help to make them look bad.

So why is it that despite all these terrorist attacks that vastly outnumber them, we only seem to hear about Islamic terrorism. Do you think the media is biased? Perhaps you would like to include an example or two in your answer.

freediver wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 2:36pm:

So why is it that despite all these terrorist attacks that vastly outnumber them, we only seem to hear about Islamic terrorism. Do you think the media is biased?

1. The so called Islamic attacks usually result in many deaths.

2. "If it bleeds, it leads".

You seriously couldn't figure this out for yourself?

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 12:59pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 12:55pm: The point has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt? Really? Yes, really. freediver: "Your next assignment is to find a non-Muslim terrorist and use it to disprove the bleeding obvious." Done.

We have it here, folks!

All greggery had to do was find ONE (a) example of a non-Muslim terrorist ....

Here we have a perfect example of the type of hair-splitting that greggery so admires.

It matters not that the argument is skewed, all that matters is the point won.

Well, he's won. He found an example.

Please note this tactic.

Pedantic has not nearly enough syllables to justify its use.

Clever man.

And a nit-picking, bigoted, unapologetic, insulting egoist masquerading as a concerned human being.

I now have the dubious pleasure of attempting to compare you with a historical dysfunctional, characters in literature or a subject in a criminal case file.

Or a lawyer.

Well done.

Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 2:41pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 12:59pm: Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 12:55pm: The point has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt? Really? Yes, really. freediver: "Your next assignment is to find a non-Muslim terrorist and use it to disprove the bleeding obvious." Done. We have it here, folks! All greggery had to do was find ONE (a) example of a non-Muslim terrorist ....

And I found many, many more.

That's the way I roll.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 12:51pm:

ian wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 12:50pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 12:19pm: ian wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 12:12pm: Lol at greggarys massive fail and humiliation here. The point has been proven beyond all reasonable doubt, with the many examples cited from the FBI. The only failure here comes from those who don't understand what terrorism is, and those who then try to cover up their embarrassment by changing the subject. Thankfully, we all see through those pathetic ploys. Yes, we need to be on guard against tree spikers. They are the real threat to western civilisation. I've never heard anyone make that claim before. What is about them that concerns you, ian?

Its you who compared them to mass murderers gweggawy. heres a hint, your deflections arent working  ;)

ian wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 2:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 12:51pm: ian wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 12:50pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 12:19pm: ian wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 12:12pm: Lol at greggarys massive fail and humiliation here. The point has been proven beyond all reasonable doubt, with the many examples cited from the FBI. The only failure here comes from those who don't understand what terrorism is, and those who then try to cover up their embarrassment by changing the subject. Thankfully, we all see through those pathetic ploys. Yes, we need to be on guard against tree spikers. They are the real threat to western civilisation. I've never heard anyone make that claim before. What is about them that concerns you, ian? Its you who compared them to mass murderers gweggawy.

Not in this life, ian.

You are a liar.

Prove me wrong, by posting a link.

This should be good.

We're all waiting, ian ...

Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 2:41pm:

[quote author=greggerypeccary link=1458847754/60#60 date=1458961151][quote  And a nit-picking, bigoted, unapologetic, insulting egoist masquerading as a concerned human being.

you are being too kind. he is also a self absorbed malignant narcissist who gets a thrill out of children dying and likes  discussing deviant sexual practises..

Come on ian, little buddy.

Show the link where I "compared them to mass murderers".

Come on little falla, you can do it.

(actually, you cant because no such quote exists - I do so love exposing ian as the little liar that we all know him to be)

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 2:49pm:

Come on ian, little buddy. Show the link where I "compared them to mass murderers". Come on little falla, you can do it. (actually, you cant because no such quote exists - I do so love exposing ian as the little liar that we all know him to be)

You're always trotting Martin Bryant to help your Islamapologist agenda.

Muslim Shopkeeper Murdered After Wishing Christians Happy Easter


Where?


Glasgow.  This Easter.


The most senior imam in Scotland described the killer as a “brother” and a “true Muslim”, appearing to support the murder of perceived apostates. He later claimed his comments had been “taken out of context”.



Religion of peace.

Frank wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 6:43pm:

Muslim Shopkeeper Murdered After Wishing Christians Happy Easter Where? Glasgow.  This Easter. The most senior imam in Scotland described the killer as a “brother” and a “true Muslim”, appearing to support the murder of perceived apostates. He later claimed his comments had been “taken out of context”. Religion of peace.

Apologist.

There's that stutter again.

Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 6:54pm:

There's that stutter again.

Apologist.

http://static4.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/What+is+this+supposed+to+mean+_0281fb757f66493020c986d37db05dbc.gif

There's that stutter again.

With a GIF this time.

Progression, greggery. Small steps.

Well done.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:02pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 6:54pm: There's that stutter again. Apologist.

Incomprehending apologist.

Uncomprehending, unapologetic stutterer.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 2:40pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 2:36pm: So why is it that despite all these terrorist attacks that vastly outnumber them, we only seem to hear about Islamic terrorism. Do you think the media is biased? 1. The so called Islamic attacks usually result in many deaths. 2. "If it bleeds, it leads". You seriously couldn't figure this out for yourself?

I was just wondering if you had realised. I think that is why you like to quote those statistics, but you don't like to give any actual examples.

Do you understand now what I mean about Muslims giving terrorists a bad name?

freediver wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 9:50am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 2:40pm: freediver wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 2:36pm: So why is it that despite all these terrorist attacks that vastly outnumber them, we only seem to hear about Islamic terrorism. Do you think the media is biased? 1. The so called Islamic attacks usually result in many deaths. 2. "If it bleeds, it leads". You seriously couldn't figure this out for yourself? I was just wondering if you had realised. I think that is why you like to quote those statistics, but you don't like to give any actual examples. Do you understand now what I mean about Muslims giving terrorists a bad name?

There are several examples at my link.

Take a look.

You can keep saying that no examples have been provided for as long as you want, however, it won't stop it from being a lie.

Can you give an example of one of these examples you think is at your link? You were happy enough to quote the text about the number of terrorist attacks, but you seem remarkably reluctant to post anything about the nature of them.

Do you understand now what I mean about Muslims giving terrorists a bad name?

freediver wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 12:09pm:

Can you give an example

Significant Events

January 19, 2002
Kathleen Ann Soliah Sentenced.

On January 19, 2002, Kathleen Ann Soliah was sentenced to two consecutive 10 years to life terms for her role in a 1975 car bombing plot associated with the Symbionese Liberation Army. On October 31, 2001, Soliah pled guilty to two counts related to the car bombing plot. Soliah remained a fugitive for 23 years until her arrest on June 16, 1999, when she was living under the alias Sara Jane Olsen.

June 15, 2002
Donald Rudolph Sentenced for 1999 Propane Plot.

On June 15, 2002, Donald Rudolph was sentenced to five years in prison for his role in a plot to destroy a propane storage facility near Elk Grove, California. Rudolph had pled guilty on January 19, 2001, to withholding knowledge of a conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction in connection with the propane plot.

The plot to attack the propane storage facility was disrupted on December 3, 1999, when members of the Sacramento Joint Terrorism Task Force arrested Kevin Ray Patterson and Charles Dennis Kiles. Patterson, Kiles, and Rudolph were associated with an antigovernment group active in the central region of the state. When arrested, Patterson and Kiles were in possession of a detonation cord, blasting caps, grenade hulls, and various chemicals—including ammonium nitrate—and numerous weapons. Patterson and Kiles were convicted in May 2002 for conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction and conspiracy to use a destructive device.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 12:12pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 12:09pm: Can you give an example Significant Events January 19, 2002 Kathleen Ann Soliah Sentenced. On January 19, 2002, Kathleen Ann Soliah was sentenced to two consecutive 10 years to life terms for her role in a 1975 car bombing plot associated with the Symbionese Liberation Army. On October 31, 2001, Soliah pled guilty to two counts related to the car bombing plot. Soliah remained a fugitive for 23 years until her arrest on June 16, 1999, when she was living under the alias Sara Jane Olsen. March 14, 2002 Appeal Denied in the Pan Am 103 Bombing Case. On March 14, 2002, an appeal filed by Abdel Basset Ali Al-Megrahi, seeking to overturn his conviction of bombing Pan Am flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, was denied. Al-Megrahi had filed the appeal at the Scottish Court of Appeal in Camp Zeist, The Netherlands. Al-Megrahi was convicted on January 31, 2001, for the 1988 bombing, which killed the 259 passengers of the flight and 11 individuals on the ground. Al-Megrahi was sentenced to life in prison. June 15, 2002 Donald Rudolph Sentenced for 1999 Propane Plot. On June 15, 2002, Donald Rudolph was sentenced to five years in prison for his role in a plot to destroy a propane storage facility near Elk Grove, California. Rudolph had pled guilty on January 19, 2001, to withholding knowledge of a conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction in connection with the propane plot. The plot to attack the propane storage facility was disrupted on December 3, 1999, when members of the Sacramento Joint Terrorism Task Force arrested Kevin Ray Patterson and Charles Dennis Kiles. Patterson, Kiles, and Rudolph were associated with an antigovernment group active in the central region of the state. When arrested, Patterson and Kiles were in possession of a detonation cord, blasting caps, grenade hulls, and various chemicals—including ammonium nitrate—and numerous weapons. Patterson and Kiles were convicted in May 2002 for conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction and conspiracy to use a destructive device.

Apologising for global Islamic terrorism. How low can you go. ;D ;D

Terrorist Incidents

January 1, 2003

Arson
Girard, Pennsylvania
(One act of Domestic Terrorism)

On January 1, 2003, an unknown individual(s) set two pickup trucks and one sport utility vehicle on fire at a car dealership in Girard, Pennsylvania, causing $96,000 in damages. This arson followed the series of environmental and animal rights extremist incidents in northwest Pennsylvania discussed in the preceding 2002 terrorist incidents section. ELF claimed responsibility for the arson.

Chico, California.
(One act of Domestic Terrorism)

On March 3, 2003, an unknown number of individuals placed two one-gallon jugs filled with kerosene near a McDonald’s restaurant in Chico, California, and vandalized the restaurant with graffiti. The graffiti included statements such as “Animal Liberation Front,” “Meat is Murder,” and “Species Equality.” Two communiques were discovered claiming responsibility for the attack. Robert Brooks and Harjit Singh Gill were convicted in the Eastern District of California for making false statements to a grand jury in connection with the attack, and, in June 2005, received sentences of a $500 fine and 36 months probation, respectively.

San Diego, California.
(One act of Domestic Terrorism)

On August 1, 2003, the San Diego Fire Department and San Diego Police Department responded to an arson fire at the Garden Condominium, a five-story, 206-unit condominium complex under construction in the University Town Center area of San Diego. The fire caused an estimated $20 million in damages to the building and surrounding construction equipment. Investigators found graffiti at the site implicating Earth Liberation Front (ELF) extremists with the incident, including the message “IF YOU BUILD IT – WE WILL BURN IT. THE ELF’S ARE MAD.

On September 19, 2003, two other new home sites were also set on fire, with similar messages left at the scene. The fires destroyed four homes and damaged two others, causing an estimated loss of $3 million. The August 1 and September 19 arson incidents remain under investigation.

West Covina, California.
(One act of Domestic Terrorism)

On August 22, 2003, individuals associated with the Earth Liberation Front (ELF) carried out acts of vandalism in the Los Angeles, California, area, damaging roughly 125 vehicles and one commercial building. Much of the damage was caused by spray-painted graffiti, although in two cases, individuals set fire to sport utility vehicles (SUVs). Some of the graffiti associated SUVs with “terrorism.” On April 18, 2005, William Jensen Cottrell was sentenced to eight years and four months in federal prison and fined $3.5 million for the incident. Two other suspects in the attack—Tyler Johnson and Michie Oe—remained at large at the end of 2005.

Thanks Greg. Do you think the Muslims are making these terrorists look bad?

Bombing
Emeryville, California
(One act of Domestic Terrorism)

On August 28, 2003, an improvised explosive device (IED) was detonated near the front door of Chiron Life Science Center in Emeryville, California, causing damage to the building. A second device detonated in another Chiron building shortly after first responders arrived at the scene, also damaging the building and the surrounding area. Chiron had previously received harassing e-mails, telephone calls, and faxes, and some Chiron employees had been harassed at their residences. Chiron, an animal testing laboratory, is associated with Huntingdon Life Sciences (HLS). HLS, and individuals and companies associated with it, have regularly been targeted by animal rights extremists. Daniel Andreas San Diego is suspected of having carried out the bombing and remained a fugitive at the end of 2005.

Bombing
Pleasanton, California.
(One act of Domestic Terrorism)

On September 26, 2003, an improvised explosive device was detonated at Shaklee Corporation in Pleasanton, California. Shaklee Corporation is a subsidiary of Yamanouchi Pharmaceutical Co. Ltd., which has been targeted by animal rights extremists in the past. Daniel Andreas San Diego is suspected of having carried out this bombing and the August 28, 2003, bombing at Chiron Life Science Center. San Diego remained a fugitive at the end of 2005.

Arson
Henrico County, Virginia
(One act of Domestic Terrorism)

On January 19, 2004, Henrico County Fire Department officials discovered four Molotov cocktails that had been used to commit arson on a Ford car dealership. One Molotov cocktail scorched a vehicle in the dealership. Investigators on the scene also discovered a BMW on which the letters “XXX” were spray-painted. A business neighboring the dealership had the letters “XELFX” spray-painted on it. Christopher Kyle Salmon and Timothy Ryan Kennedy were convicted of attempted arson. Salmon was sentenced to 24 months in prison, two years of probation, and $500 restitution. Kennedy was sentenced to 25 months in prison, two years of probation, and $500 restitution.

Arson
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
(One act of Domestic Terrorism)

On April 1, 2004, Sean Michael Gillespie used a Molotov cocktail to firebomb the Temple B’nai Israel in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. The attack caused mostly smoke damage to the synagogue. Gillespie committed the arson as a target of opportunity when he could not locate for a similar attack the address of a person he presumed to be Jewish, whose name he had randomly discovered in a phone book. On April 16, 2004, the FBI arrested Gillespie for the firebombing. A search of Gillespie’s residence and truck revealed two videotapes, a baseball bat, brass knuckles, and a stun gun. One of the videotapes clearly implicates Gillespie in the firebombing of the synagogue. Gillespie had claimed association with the Aryan Nations and stated that he was proud of his actions. On April 26, 2005, Gillespie was convicted on charges related to the possession and use of an explosive device and on August 30, 2005, was sentenced to 39 years in prison.

Snohomish, Washington
(One act of Domestic Terrorism)

In the early morning of April 20, 2004, two new homes were destroyed and another was damaged by arson, and an improvised incendiary device (IID) was found inside a fourth home at a new housing development in the Lobo Ridge area of Snohomish, Washington. The causes of the arson incidents are believed to be IIDs of the type recovered, consisting of jugs with duct-taped fuses and filled with flammable liquid. Approximately 20 miles away from the arson location, six containers of flammable liquid, duct tape, matches, and fuselike material were found by a contractor. The containers were found at the end of an uninhabited cul-de-sac of another new housing development along with graffiti that read “Consider these 13 as a warning. Walk on the edge. Green equals no burn all others are fair game. Bush is a rapist. ELF.”.

On April 21, 2004, three additional IIDs were found in a new construction subdivision several miles from where the previous day’s incidents had occurred. The devices, which were ignited but failed to completely burn, resulted in no damage to the homes. The devices were similar to those found earlier. No note or claim of responsibility was found at this scene. The discovery of these three devices brought the total number of IIDs to 13, corresponding to the number warned of in the original ELF graffiti.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 12:21pm:

Arson Henrico County, Virginia (One act of Domestic Terrorism) On January 19, 2004, Henrico County Fire Department officials discovered four Molotov cocktails that had been used to commit arson on a Ford car dealership. One Molotov cocktail scorched a vehicle in the dealership. Investigators on the scene also discovered a BMW on which the letters “XXX” were spray-painted. A business neighboring the dealership had the letters “XELFX” spray-painted on it. Christopher Kyle Salmon and Timothy Ryan Kennedy were convicted of attempted arson. Salmon was sentenced to 24 months in prison, two years of probation, and $500 restitution. Kennedy was sentenced to 25 months in prison, two years of probation, and $500 restitution.

;D ;D ;D ;D burning cars is now terrorism. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 12:23pm:

Snohomish, Washington (One act of Domestic Terrorism) In the early morning of April 20, 2004, two new homes were destroyed and another was damaged by arson, and an improvised incendiary device (IID) was found inside a fourth home at a new housing development in the Lobo Ridge area of Snohomish, Washington. The causes of the arson incidents are believed to be IIDs of the type recovered, consisting of jugs with duct-taped fuses and filled with flammable liquid. Approximately 20 miles away from the arson location, six containers of flammable liquid, duct tape, matches, and fuselike material were found by a contractor. The containers were found at the end of an uninhabited cul-de-sac of another new housing development along with graffiti that read “Consider these 13 as a warning. Walk on the edge. Green equals no burn all others are fair game. Bush is a rapist. ELF.”. On April 21, 2004, three additional IIDs were found in a new construction subdivision several miles from where the previous day’s incidents had occurred. The devices, which were ignited but failed to completely burn, resulted in no damage to the homes. The devices were similar to those found earlier. No note or claim of responsibility was found at this scene. The discovery of these three devices brought the total number of IIDs to 13, corresponding to the number warned of in the original ELF graffiti.

burning houses  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 12:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 12:21pm: Arson Henrico County, Virginia (One act of Domestic Terrorism) On January 19, 2004, Henrico County Fire Department officials discovered four Molotov cocktails that had been used to commit arson on a Ford car dealership. One Molotov cocktail scorched a vehicle in the dealership. Investigators on the scene also discovered a BMW on which the letters “XXX” were spray-painted. A business neighboring the dealership had the letters “XELFX” spray-painted on it. Christopher Kyle Salmon and Timothy Ryan Kennedy were convicted of attempted arson. Salmon was sentenced to 24 months in prison, two years of probation, and $500 restitution. Kennedy was sentenced to 25 months in prison, two years of probation, and $500 restitution. burning cars is now terrorism.

Yes.

What part don't you understand?

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 12:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 12:23pm: Snohomish, Washington (One act of Domestic Terrorism) In the early morning of April 20, 2004, two new homes were destroyed and another was damaged by arson, and an improvised incendiary device (IID) was found inside a fourth home at a new housing development in the Lobo Ridge area of Snohomish, Washington. The causes of the arson incidents are believed to be IIDs of the type recovered, consisting of jugs with duct-taped fuses and filled with flammable liquid. Approximately 20 miles away from the arson location, six containers of flammable liquid, duct tape, matches, and fuselike material were found by a contractor. The containers were found at the end of an uninhabited cul-de-sac of another new housing development along with graffiti that read “Consider these 13 as a warning. Walk on the edge. Green equals no burn all others are fair game. Bush is a rapist. ELF.”. On April 21, 2004, three additional IIDs were found in a new construction subdivision several miles from where the previous day’s incidents had occurred. The devices, which were ignited but failed to completely burn, resulted in no damage to the homes. The devices were similar to those found earlier. No note or claim of responsibility was found at this scene. The discovery of these three devices brought the total number of IIDs to 13, corresponding to the number warned of in the original ELF graffiti. burning houses

Definitions

There is no single, universally accepted, definition of terrorism. Terrorism is defined in the Code of Federal Regulations as “the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives” (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85).

The FBI further describes terrorism as either domestic or international, depending on the origin, base, and objectives of the terrorist organization. For the purpose of this report, the FBI will use the following definitions:

Domestic terrorism is the unlawful use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual based and operating entirely within the United States or Puerto Rico without foreign direction committed against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives.
International terrorism involves violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or any state, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or any state. These acts appear to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population, influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion, or affect the conduct of a government by assassination or kidnapping. International terrorist acts occur outside the United States or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to coerce or intimidate, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum.
The FBI Divides Terrorist-Related Activities into Two Categories:

A terrorist incident is a violent act or an act dangerous to human life, in violation of the criminal laws of the United States, or of any state, to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.
A terrorism prevention is a documented instance in which a violent act by a known or suspected terrorist group or individual with the means and a proven propensity for violence is successfully interdicted through investigative activity.
Note: The FBI investigates terrorism-related matters without regard to race, religion, national origin, or gender. Reference to individual members of any political, ethnic, or religious group in this report is not meant to imply that all members of that group are terrorists. Terrorists represent a small criminal minority in any larger social context.

Vandalism and Arson
Provo, Utah
(One act of Domestic Terrorism)

On July 8, 2004, an arson occurred at the Ellsworth Farm animal science facility on the campus of Brigham Young University. The building was also vandalized and the walls spray painted with the phrases “ALF,” “war is on,” “you are the terrorists,” and “this will never end.” Damages from the fire and vandalism were estimated at over $75,000. Two related vandalism incidents attributed to the Animal Liberation Front (ALF) occurred at the same facility in May 2004. Harrison Burrows and Joshua Demmitt confessed to the July arson and May incidents. In January 2005 Burrows and Demmitt were each sentenced to 30 months in federal prison.

Lol. Greggary compares tree spikers to 9/11 terrorists.

Auburn and Sutter Creek, California
(One act of Domestic Terrorism)

On January 12, 2005, five intact incendiary devices were discovered at a commercial construction site in Auburn, California. On January 21, 2005, a letter was sent to four newspapers claiming responsibility for the attempted arson by the Earth Liberation Front (ELF).

On February 7, 2005, an arson was reported at an apartment complex in Sutter Creek, California. Fire officials discovered seven partially burned incendiary devices placed in five buildings of the apartment complex. Graffiti found at the site included “ELF” and “We Will Win” in red paint. Sprinkler systems installed in the buildings extinguished six of the seven devices and first responders extinguished the seventh. Damage was estimated at $50,000.

Ryan Daniel Lewis was convicted of arson and attempted arson involving these collective incidents as well as a December 27, 2004, incident in Lincoln, California. On March 17, 2005, Lewis was sentenced to a 72-month prison term followed by three years of supervised release.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 12:25pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 12:24pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 12:23pm: Snohomish, Washington (One act of Domestic Terrorism) In the early morning of April 20, 2004, two new homes were destroyed and another was damaged by arson, and an improvised incendiary device (IID) was found inside a fourth home at a new housing development in the Lobo Ridge area of Snohomish, Washington. The causes of the arson incidents are believed to be IIDs of the type recovered, consisting of jugs with duct-taped fuses and filled with flammable liquid. Approximately 20 miles away from the arson location, six containers of flammable liquid, duct tape, matches, and fuselike material were found by a contractor. The containers were found at the end of an uninhabited cul-de-sac of another new housing development along with graffiti that read “Consider these 13 as a warning. Walk on the edge. Green equals no burn all others are fair game. Bush is a rapist. ELF.”. On April 21, 2004, three additional IIDs were found in a new construction subdivision several miles from where the previous day’s incidents had occurred. The devices, which were ignited but failed to completely burn, resulted in no damage to the homes. The devices were similar to those found earlier. No note or claim of responsibility was found at this scene. The discovery of these three devices brought the total number of IIDs to 13, corresponding to the number warned of in the original ELF graffiti. burning houses  Definitions There is no single, universally accepted, definition of terrorism. Terrorism is defined in the Code of Federal Regulations as “the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives” (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85). The FBI further describes terrorism as either domestic or international, depending on the origin, base, and objectives of the terrorist organization. For the purpose of this report, the FBI will use the following definitions: Domestic terrorism is the unlawful use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual based and operating entirely within the United States or Puerto Rico without foreign direction committed against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives. International terrorism involves violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or any state, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or any state. These acts appear to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population, influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion, or affect the conduct of a government by assassination or kidnapping. International terrorist acts occur outside the United States or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to coerce or intimidate, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum. The FBI Divides Terrorist-Related Activities into Two Categories: A terrorist incident is a violent act or an act dangerous to human life, in violation of the criminal laws of the United States, or of any state, to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives. A terrorism prevention is a documented instance in which a violent act by a known or suspected terrorist group or individual with the means and a proven propensity for violence is successfully interdicted through investigative activity. Note: The FBI investigates terrorism-related matters without regard to race, religion, national origin, or gender. Reference to individual members of any political, ethnic, or religious group in this report is not meant to imply that all members of that group are terrorists. Terrorists represent a small criminal minority in any larger social context.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You kill me. It means an orchestrated act which  causes mass manic amongst a large population of people. Burning cars and houses is arson and not terrorism at all.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

ian wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 12:27pm:

Lol. Greggary compares tree spikers to 9/11 terrorists.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Definitions

There is no single, universally accepted, definition of terrorism. Terrorism is defined in the Code of Federal Regulations as “the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives” (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85).

The FBI further describes terrorism as either domestic or international, depending on the origin, base, and objectives of the terrorist organization. For the purpose of this report, the FBI will use the following definitions:

Domestic terrorism is the unlawful use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual based and operating entirely within the United States or Puerto Rico without foreign direction committed against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives.
International terrorism involves violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or any state, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or any state. These acts appear to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population, influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion, or affect the conduct of a government by assassination or kidnapping. International terrorist acts occur outside the United States or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to coerce or intimidate, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum.
The FBI Divides Terrorist-Related Activities into Two Categories:

A terrorist incident is a violent act or an act dangerous to human life, in violation of the criminal laws of the United States, or of any state, to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.
A terrorism prevention is a documented instance in which a violent act by a known or suspected terrorist group or individual with the means and a proven propensity for violence is successfully interdicted through investigative activity.
Note: The FBI investigates terrorism-related matters without regard to race, religion, national origin, or gender. Reference to individual members of any political, ethnic, or religious group in this report is not meant to imply that all members of that group are terrorists. Terrorists represent a small criminal minority in any larger social context.

Tree spiking, the horror, the horror!

(One act of Domestic Terrorism)

In the early morning of April 13, 2005, arson occurred at a nearly completed residence under construction in Sammamish, Washington, and an intact improvised incendiary device (IID) was discovered in a second residence under construction nearby. The IID in the first residence was located in the garage, which was destroyed by the fire. The second IID—a plastic, two-liter bottle filled with fuel and using an improvised igniter—had been placed under debris in the kitchen nook. The device had been activated but did not fully ignite. In addition a bedsheet with the wording, “Where are all the trees? Burn rapist burn. ELF,” had been placed outside the second residence.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 12:29pm:

Definitions There is no single, universally accepted, definition of terrorism. Terrorism is defined in the Code of Federal Regulations as “the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives” (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85). The FBI further describes terrorism as either domestic or international, depending on the origin, base, and objectives of the terrorist organization. For the purpose of this report, the FBI will use the following definitions: Domestic terrorism is the unlawful use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual based and operating entirely within the United States or Puerto Rico without foreign direction committed against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives. International terrorism involves violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or any state, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or any state. These acts appear to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population, influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion, or affect the conduct of a government by assassination or kidnapping. International terrorist acts occur outside the United States or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to coerce or intimidate, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum. The FBI Divides Terrorist-Related Activities into Two Categories: A terrorist incident is a violent act or an act dangerous to human life, in violation of the criminal laws of the United States, or of any state, to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives. A terrorism prevention is a documented instance in which a violent act by a known or suspected terrorist group or individual with the means and a proven propensity for violence is successfully interdicted through investigative activity. Note: The FBI investigates terrorism-related matters without regard to race, religion, national origin, or gender. Reference to individual members of any political, ethnic, or religious group in this report is not meant to imply that all members of that group are terrorists. Terrorists represent a small criminal minority in any larger social context.

Terrorism involves killing people to create panic for a political purpose nitwit. Killing houses and cars isn't quite the same. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Definitions

There is no single, universally accepted, definition of terrorism. Terrorism is defined in the Code of Federal Regulations as “the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives” (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85).

The FBI further describes terrorism as either domestic or international, depending on the origin, base, and objectives of the terrorist organization. For the purpose of this report, the FBI will use the following definitions:

Domestic terrorism is the unlawful use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual based and operating entirely within the United States or Puerto Rico without foreign direction committed against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives.
International terrorism involves violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or any state, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or any state. These acts appear to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population, influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion, or affect the conduct of a government by assassination or kidnapping. International terrorist acts occur outside the United States or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to coerce or intimidate, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum.
The FBI Divides Terrorist-Related Activities into Two Categories:

A terrorist incident is a violent act or an act dangerous to human life, in violation of the criminal laws of the United States, or of any state, to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.
A terrorism prevention is a documented instance in which a violent act by a known or suspected terrorist group or individual with the means and a proven propensity for violence is successfully interdicted through investigative activity.
Note: The FBI investigates terrorism-related matters without regard to race, religion, national origin, or gender. Reference to individual members of any political, ethnic, or religious group in this report is not meant to imply that all members of that group are terrorists. Terrorists represent a small criminal minority in any larger social context.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 12:32pm:

Definitions Note: The FBI investigates terrorism-related matters without regard to race, religion, national origin, or gender. Reference to individual members of any political, ethnic, or religious group in this report is not meant to imply that all members of that group are terrorists. Terrorists represent a small criminal minority in any larger social context.

They didn't add that bit in to protect the sensibilities of Western liberal secularists, that's for sure.....   ::)



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Los Angeles, California
(One act of Domestic Terrorism)

In the early morning of July 7, 2005, fire officials responded to a vehicle fire in the driveway of a private residence in Los Angeles, California. In extinguishing the fire, authorities recovered a partially melted, plastic gasoline container from behind the vehicle’s left front wheel. The car belonged to a representative for the Ani-mal Care Technicians Union, which represents employees for the Los Angeles Animal Services (LAAS). LAAS and its affiliates have been targeted by local animal rights extremists, and the LAAS union representative had been placed on a “targets” list of individuals profiled by extremists for “direct actions.” The incident remains under investigation.

freediver wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 9:42pm:

Your next assignment is to find a non-Muslim terrorist and use it to disprove the bleeding obvious.

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What are you trying to prove Pecca?

It is very easy to defend muzlims if no one close to you has been murdered or maimed by them.

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 12:44pm:

What are you trying to prove Pecca?

freediver: "Your next assignment is to find a non-Muslim terrorist and use it to disprove the bleeding obvious."

Assignment complete.

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greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 12:47pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 12:44pm: What are you trying to prove Pecca? freediver: "Your next assignment is to find a non-Muslim terrorist and use it to disprove the bleeding obvious." Assignment complete. http://corz.org/network/routers/Voyager/img/passed.gif

Everybody knows any person can commit terrorism. It's just that Muslims are doing most and the bloodiest . That's why Islam is getting a bad name. Freediver obviously acknowledged this.

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 12:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 12:47pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 12:44pm: What are you trying to prove Pecca? freediver: "Your next assignment is to find a non-Muslim terrorist and use it to disprove the bleeding obvious." Assignment complete. http://corz.org/network/routers/Voyager/img/passed.gif Everybody knows any person can commit terrorism. It's just that Muslims are doing most ...

Incorrect.

I've just proven that wrong, beyond all reasonable doubt.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 12:55pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 12:53pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 12:47pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 12:44pm: What are you trying to prove Pecca? freediver: "Your next assignment is to find a non-Muslim terrorist and use it to disprove the bleeding obvious." Assignment complete. http://corz.org/network/routers/Voyager/img/passed.gif Everybody knows any person can commit terrorism. It's just that Muslims are doing most ... Incorrect. I've just proven that wrong, beyond all reasonable doubt.

Well put the figures up then. Proper figures. There's been thousands of Islamic terrorist attacks worldwide within the last 10 years alone.

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 12:57pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 12:55pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 12:53pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 12:47pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 12:44pm: What are you trying to prove Pecca? freediver: "Your next assignment is to find a non-Muslim terrorist and use it to disprove the bleeding obvious." Assignment complete. http://corz.org/network/routers/Voyager/img/passed.gif Everybody knows any person can commit terrorism. It's just that Muslims are doing most ... Incorrect. I've just proven that wrong, beyond all reasonable doubt. Well put the figures up then. Proper figures.

I have.

You are wrong, and I have clearly demonstrated that fact.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 12:55pm:

Incorrect. I've just proven that wrong, beyond all reasonable doubt.

Apologist.

Los Angeles, California
(One act of Domestic Terrorism)

On September 16, 2005, fire officials responded to a fire at the high-rise condominium home of the director of Los Angeles Animal Services, after residents observed smoke coming from a recyclables/janitorial closet. First responders recovered an improvised incendiary device consisting of a four-inch-long tube labeled “TOXIC” and using a cigarette as a fuse. The device, which had been placed next to a stack of newspapers in the recycling/janitorial closet, had malfunctioned and only scorched the concrete floor of the closet. The Animal Liberation Front claimed responsibility for this incident.

Thanks Greg. Do you think the Muslims are making these terrorists look bad?

freediver wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 2:07pm:

Thanks Greg. Do you think the Muslims are making these terrorists look bad?

No. Do you?

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 9:46pm:

"Back in the United States, the percentage of terror attacks committed by Muslims is almost as miniscule as in Europe. An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims.Jan 14, 2015" There you go

Greg if non-Muslims commit 15 times as many terrorist attacks, does that mean that non-Muslim terrorism is a problem that is 15 times worse?

freediver wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 2:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 9:46pm: "Back in the United States, the percentage of terror attacks committed by Muslims is almost as miniscule as in Europe. An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims.Jan 14, 2015" There you go Greg if non-Muslims commit 15 times as many terrorist attacks, does that mean that non-Muslim terrorism is a problem that is 15 times worse?

Depends what you'd define as a "problem" (or "worse", for that matter).

Personally, I consider all acts of terrorism to be a problem.

Is an attack that causes death worse than a graffiti attack, or an incinerated car?  Absolutely.

Why do you ask, anyway?

I ask because you are very fond of presenting those statistics, but not so fond of presenting the examples of non-Muslim terrorism. The way you present the statistics creates an initial impression of a really big problem with terrorism from other groups - that is, Muslims making the terrorists look bad.

freediver wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 2:40pm:

I ask because you are very fond of presenting those statistics, but not so fond of presenting the examples of non-Muslim terrorism. The way you present the statistics creates an initial impression of a really big problem with terrorism from other groups - that is, Muslims making the terrorists look bad.

Not sure where you've been, however, I've posted several examples.

I can keep posting them, if you wish. I'm quite fond of doing it.

Moreover, there is a really big problem with non-Muslim terrorism.

A worse problem than ISIS bombs? No, of course not. Still a problem though.

And still more instances than Islamic terrorism.

As far as Muslims making the other terrorists look bad, that's just nonsense (unless you'd like to explain it in more detail).

If anything, the "Islamic" terrorists are making the other guys look good.

Do you think the statistics you posted are representative of the relative scale of the problem?

It took a lot of prompting to get you to post the examples. The statistics on the other hand you post regularly.

freediver wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

Do you think the statistics you posted are representative of the relative scale of the problem?

Yes.

Do you?

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 9:46pm:

"Back in the United States, the percentage of terror attacks committed by Muslims is almost as miniscule as in Europe. An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims.Jan 14, 2015"

The FBI under Obama, for politically correct reasons, have inflated the definition of terrorism to include anything and everything. 


But Islamic terrorism is a clear and well-understood feature of all our lives. They commit atrocities in the name of Islam and against anyone who opposes their concept of Islam and the Ummah and sharia. 

Islamic terrorism has one thing in common - Islam.

All other terrorism has one thing in common - they are NOT about Islam  (but about a huge number of other, unrelated things).


Islam IS the problem.

Frank wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:22pm:

Islam IS the problem.

Terrorists are the problem.

Apologist.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:24pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 7:22pm: Islam IS the problem. Terrorists are the problem.

Yes. tree spikers.

ian wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 7:24pm: Frank wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 7:22pm: Islam IS the problem. Terrorists are the problem. Yes. tree spikers.

All terrorists are a problem.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:26pm:

ian wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 7:26pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 7:24pm: Frank wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 7:22pm: Islam IS the problem. Terrorists are the problem. Yes. tree spikers. All terrorists are a problem.

of course. we need to be on our guard. Water balloon bombers, tree spikers, mass murderers, they are all the same.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:26pm:

ian wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 7:26pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 7:24pm: Frank wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 7:22pm: Islam IS the problem. Terrorists are the problem. Yes. tree spikers. All terrorists are a problem.

They are just not spread evenly.  There is far more Islamic terrorism that you would expect from a 'religion of peace'.


The evidence points to a religion of murderous intolerance that is not abating but is getting worse and worse.

Islam IS the problem.  Islamic terrorism and savagery is not random. It's Islamic. Denying it will avail you nothing.

There is far too much double talk and smoke screening.  Islam IS motivating violence far more than any 'religion of peace' should.  Enough of the double talk.
Islam is the problem. All the terrorists readily identify Islam as their sole motivator. They are ALL shouting  allahu akhbar, not 'give us a job and let us fit in'.i

Frank wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:58pm:

Islam IS the problem.

Terrorists are the problem.

Apologist.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:07pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 7:58pm: Islam IS the problem.  So now a terrorists belief system doesn't count???? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D If it wasn't for Islam these people wouldn't have an excuse to blow s h it  up. Of course Islam plays a part. Terrorists are the problem. Apologist.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:07pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 7:58pm: Islam IS the problem.  Terrorists are the problem. Apologist.

So now a terrorists belief system doesn't count???? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin If it wasn't for Islam these people wouldn't have an excuse to blow s h it  up. Of course Islam plays a part.

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:10pm:

So now a terrorists belief system doesn't count????

no ... we hunt down the terrorists and shoot them. Their belief system from that point on is irrelevant.

Frank wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 9:46pm: "Back in the United States, the percentage of terror attacks committed by Muslims is almost as miniscule as in Europe. An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims.Jan 14, 2015" The FBI under Obama, for politically correct reasons, have inflated the definition of terrorism to include anything and everything.

Yes and with the other hand, have classified instances of moslem terrorism as "workplace violence."

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 8:07pm: Frank wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 7:58pm: Islam IS the problem.  Terrorists are the problem. Apologist. So now a terrorists belief system doesn't count???? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin If it wasn't for Islam these people wouldn't have an excuse to blow s h it  up. Of course Islam plays a part.

Nobody has ever said that Islam doesn't play a part.

You need to pay attention, ... apologist.

John Smith wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:11pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 8:10pm: So now a terrorists belief system doesn't count???? no ... we hunt down the terrorists and shoot them. Their belief system from that point on is irrelevant.

Finding out how a perp thinks is very important grandson of nazi.

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:13pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 8:11pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 8:10pm: So now a terrorists belief system doesn't count???? no ... we hunt down the terrorists and shoot them. Their belief system from that point on is irrelevant. Finding out how a perp thinks is very important grandson of nazi.

Nobody has said anything to the contrary, ... apologist.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:12pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 8:10pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 8:07pm: Frank wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 7:58pm: Islam IS the problem.  Terrorists are the problem. Apologist. So now a terrorists belief system doesn't count???? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin If it wasn't for Islam these people wouldn't have an excuse to blow s h it  up. Of course Islam plays a part. Nobody has ever said that Islam doesn't play a part. You need to pay attention, ... apologist.

It plays a big part numptoid.

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 8:12pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 8:10pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 8:07pm: Frank wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 7:58pm: Islam IS the problem.  Terrorists are the problem. Apologist. So now a terrorists belief system doesn't count???? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin If it wasn't for Islam these people wouldn't have an excuse to blow s h it  up. Of course Islam plays a part. Nobody has ever said that Islam doesn't play a part. You need to pay attention, ... apologist. It plays a big part numptoid.

Nobody has ever said anything to the contrary, ... apologist.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:14pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 8:13pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 8:11pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 8:10pm: So now a terrorists belief system doesn't count???? no ... we hunt down the terrorists and shoot them. Their belief system from that point on is irrelevant. Finding out how a perp thinks is very important grandson of nazi. Nobody has said anything to the contrary, ... apologist.

Now you change your tune. You've spent the whole day apologising for Islam . Don't backtrack now.

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 8:14pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 8:13pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 8:11pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 8:10pm: So now a terrorists belief system doesn't count???? no ... we hunt down the terrorists and shoot them. Their belief system from that point on is irrelevant. Finding out how a perp thinks is very important grandson of nazi. Nobody has said anything to the contrary, ... apologist. Now you change your tune.

My tune is the same as it's always been, ... apologist.

... wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:12pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 7:22pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 9:46pm: "Back in the United States, the percentage of terror attacks committed by Muslims is almost as miniscule as in Europe. An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims.Jan 14, 2015" The FBI under Obama, for politically correct reasons, have inflated the definition of terrorism to include anything and everything.  Yes and with the other hand, have classified instances of moslem terrorism as "workplace violence."

Guy called Mohamed cut off the head of a Colleen while allahu akhbaring?? 
As Mark Steyn says, allahu akhbar is Arabic for no Islam to see here.  Especially not if a Mohammed is beheading someone while shouting it. That just PROVES that Islam is not relevant.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:17pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 7:03pm: Do you think the statistics you posted are representative of the relative scale of the problem? Yes. Do you?

No I don't Greg. You even conceded yourself that the non-Muslim terrorism tends to be on a smaller scale. Do you think for example that 100 graffiti attacks is 100 times worse than 9/11? You are failing to join the dots somewhere Greg.

freediver wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:59pm:

You even conceded yourself that the non-Muslim terrorism tends to be on a smaller scale.

Conceded?

I've never said anything to the contrary.

You seem to be arguing with yourself.

Or, perhaps you've mistaken me for someone else.

Which is it?

freediver wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:59pm:

Do you think for example that 100 graffiti attacks is 100 times worse than 9/11?

No. Not for a second.

Why do you ask?

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:12pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 8:10pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 8:07pm: Frank wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 7:58pm: Islam IS the problem.  Terrorists are the problem. Apologist. So now a terrorists belief system doesn't count???? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin If it wasn't for Islam these people wouldn't have an excuse to blow s h it  up. Of course Islam plays a part. Nobody has ever said that Islam doesn't play a part.

What part does Islam play, in your opinion?

Frank wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:07am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 8:12pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 8:10pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 8:07pm: Frank wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 7:58pm: Islam IS the problem.  Terrorists are the problem. Apologist. So now a terrorists belief system doesn't count???? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin If it wasn't for Islam these people wouldn't have an excuse to blow s h it  up. Of course Islam plays a part. Nobody has ever said that Islam doesn't play a part. What part does Islam play, in your opinion?

Greggy says responsibility for all actions rests with the individuals who perpetrate the act, and the underlying inspiration and their idiology should not be investigated.

For example, he solely blames the 10 year old children who were forced to kill in Cambodia, but the does not think the Khmer Rouge's ideology was actually to blame.

I can't imagine many people would hold such extreme views.

GordyL wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:13am:

Greggy says responsibility for all actions rests with the individuals who perpetrate the act, and the underlying inspiration and their idiology should not be investigated.

Incorrect.

Investigation is important, and should be encouraged.

However, using ideology as an excuse should be discouraged.

Unless, of course, you're an apologist for murderers.

Seems to be a lot of them in here, and they're all Libtards.

The Archbishop of Vienna, Christoph Cardinal Schonborn, issued a statement claiming he could confirm that Islamic State jihadists crucified 56-year-old Father Tom Uzhunnalil, an Indian Catholic priest, on Good Friday.

Father Uzhunnalil was kidnapped from a home for the elderly run by Mother Teresa’s Missionaries for Charity in Aden, Yemen on March 4. The location has been described as “the only Christian presence” in the city of Aden, where the internationally-recognized government of President Abd Rabbuh Mansur Hadi has established operations after the Shiite rebels knowns as Houthis took over the nation’s capital, Sanaa.

Four Indian nuns were murdered during the attack on the home by Islamic State militants, along with two staffers, a guard, and eight elderly residents.

GordyL wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:13am:

Frank wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 11:07am: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 8:12pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 8:10pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 8:07pm: Frank wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 7:58pm: Islam IS the problem.  Terrorists are the problem. Apologist. So now a terrorists belief system doesn't count???? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin If it wasn't for Islam these people wouldn't have an excuse to blow s h it  up. Of course Islam plays a part. Nobody has ever said that Islam doesn't play a part. What part does Islam play, in your opinion? Greggy says responsibility for all actions rests with the individuals who perpetrate the act, and the underlying inspiration and their idiology should not be investigated. For example, he solely blames the 10 year old children who were forced to kill in Cambodia, but the does not think the Khmer Rouge's ideology was actually to blame. I can't imagine many people would hold such extreme views.

But he also says that "Nobody has ever said that Islam doesn't play a part."

So i'd like to know what part he thinks Islam plays. It can'tr be a motivator because that apologist stuff. So what other part is there??

Frank wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:40am:

So i'd like to know what part he thinks Islam plays. It can'tr be a motivator because that apologist stuff. So what other part is there??

It motivates some of these idiots.

While I recognise the motivating factor, I don't allow the murderers to use it as an excuse.

Libtards, on the other hand, do.

Apologists.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:20am:

GordyL wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 11:13am: Greggy says responsibility for all actions rests with the individuals who perpetrate the act, and the underlying inspiration and their idiology should not be investigated. Incorrect. Investigation is important, and should be encouraged. However, using ideology as an excuse should be discouraged. Unless, of course, you're an apologist for murderers. Seems to be a lot of them in here, and they're all Libtards.

Well I'm actually an 'issue voter' who has more often than not voted Labor and Greens.

I'm not an apologist for murderers but when they can be characterized and traced back to an idiology which encourages their actions, I think it's irresponsible not to do so.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:20am:

Unless, of course, you're an apologist for murderers. Seems to be a lot of them in here, and they're all Libtards.

"All libtards"... Does Ideology now play a part?

You are nothing but a leaf in the wind.

Quantum wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:48am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 11:20am: Unless, of course, you're an apologist for murderers. Seems to be a lot of them in here, and they're all Libtards. "All libtards"...

Yes.

Disturbing, isn't it?

No surprise, though.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 9:35pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 8:59pm: You even conceded yourself that the non-Muslim terrorism tends to be on a smaller scale. Conceded? I've never said anything to the contrary. You seem to be arguing with yourself. Or, perhaps you've mistaken me for someone else. Which is it?

So you think that the death toll from non-Muslim terrorism outnumbers the death toll from Islam inspired terrorism in line with your statistics on the number of attacks?

freediver wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:35pm: freediver wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 8:59pm: You even conceded yourself that the non-Muslim terrorism tends to be on a smaller scale. Conceded? I've never said anything to the contrary. You seem to be arguing with yourself. Or, perhaps you've mistaken me for someone else. Which is it? So you think that the death toll from non-Muslim terrorism outnumbers the death toll from Islam inspired terrorism in line with your statistics on the number of attacks?

No.

Where are you getting that from?

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:44am:

Frank wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 11:40am: So i'd like to know what part he thinks Islam plays. It can'tr be a motivator because that apologist stuff. So what other part is there?? It motivates some of these idiots. While I recognise the motivating factor, I don't allow the murderers to use it as an excuse. Libtards, on the other hand, do. Apologists.

How is identifying their motives (which you also did) allows them to use it as an excuse??


Do you understand the concept of motivation?

Someone kills another for money. He is motivated by greed. Does he say, "Excuse me, I did it for greed, so it's not my fault"?  No, of course not. Greed is not his excuse, it's his motivation.

Islam is not their excuse, it's the motivating reason. Nobody says, "Sorry, please excuse me, Islam made me do it."



Your wires are seriously crossed. You don't make sense because you confuse motivation with excuse.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:44am:

Frank wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 11:40am: So i'd like to know what part he thinks Islam plays. It can'tr be a motivator because that apologist stuff. So what other part is there?? It motivates some of these idiots. While I recognise the motivating factor, I don't allow the murderers to use it as an excuse.

Show us where they used it as an excuse.  Or are you now going to confuse excuse with justification?

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:49am:

Quantum wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 11:48am: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 11:20am: Unless, of course, you're an apologist for murderers. Seems to be a lot of them in here, and they're all Libtards. "All libtards"...  Yes. Disturbing, isn't it? No surprise, though.

It looks like you only care about the reaction to Islam by your political opponents, "libtards".

You use everything - death tolls, excuses, justification, motives, everything - just to mouth off about "libtards". 
I can see now why you identify as a 13 year old male.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:42pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 12:37pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:35pm: freediver wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 8:59pm: You even conceded yourself that the non-Muslim terrorism tends to be on a smaller scale. Conceded? I've never said anything to the contrary. You seem to be arguing with yourself. Or, perhaps you've mistaken me for someone else. Which is it? So you think that the death toll from non-Muslim terrorism outnumbers the death toll from Islam inspired terrorism in line with your statistics on the number of attacks? No. Where are you getting that from?

I am getting it by trying to make sense of the bullshit you are posting.

If the relative death toll from Islamic terrorism is greater than what is suggested by your statistics, does that not mean that your statistics do not capture the relative scale of the problem? I realise I am stating the bleeding obvious here, but it is necessary to make sense of your waffle.

Peaceful Islam? Where? Pakistan, Kashmir, Syria, Indonesia, Philippines, Afghan, Iran, Iraq, Sudan, Kenya, etc etc. Yeah, it brings peace and joy to everyone. Stick your bum in the air and bow to Mecca, but be careful you don't get your arse shot off.

freediver wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 7:41pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 12:42pm: freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 12:37pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:35pm: freediver wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 8:59pm: You even conceded yourself that the non-Muslim terrorism tends to be on a smaller scale. Conceded? I've never said anything to the contrary. You seem to be arguing with yourself. Or, perhaps you've mistaken me for someone else. Which is it? So you think that the death toll from non-Muslim terrorism outnumbers the death toll from Islam inspired terrorism in line with your statistics on the number of attacks? No. Where are you getting that from? I am getting it by trying to make sense of the bullshit you are posting.

The bullshit is coming from you.

I'm posting the absolute truth.

You asked for an example of non-Muslim terrorism.

I posted several examples.

If you want to keep moving the goalposts, you'll have to find someone else to play with.

I don't play those childish games.

Just in case you missed it: not all terrorism is carried out by Muslims.  In fact, it's quite the opposite.

This is an indisputable fact, and all the Islamophobia in the world can't change that.

The question Greg still cannot answer:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1349425752/207#207

Do you think the statistics you posted reflect the relative magnitude of the Islamic terrorism problem?

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1^st, 2016 at 10:11am:

freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:41pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 12:42pm: freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 12:37pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:35pm: freediver wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 8:59pm: You even conceded yourself that the non-Muslim terrorism tends to be on a smaller scale. Conceded? I've never said anything to the contrary. You seem to be arguing with yourself. Or, perhaps you've mistaken me for someone else. Which is it? So you think that the death toll from non-Muslim terrorism outnumbers the death toll from Islam inspired terrorism in line with your statistics on the number of attacks? No. Where are you getting that from? I am getting it by trying to make sense of the bullshit you are posting. The bullshit is coming from you. I'm posting the absolute truth. You asked for an example of non-Muslim terrorism. I posted several examples. If you want to keep moving the goalposts, you'll have to find someone else to play with. I don't play those childish games. Just in case you missed it: not all terrorism is carried out by Muslims.  In fact, it's quite the opposite. This is an indisputable fact, and all the Islamophobia in the world can't change that.

;D ;D ;D ;D

Russian Spokesman: Panama Papers Leak Reveals ‘Putinophobia’




Everyone is getting in on the act.

Frank wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 6:04pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1st, 2016 at 10:11am: freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 7:41pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 12:42pm: freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 12:37pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:35pm: freediver wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 8:59pm: You even conceded yourself that the non-Muslim terrorism tends to be on a smaller scale. Conceded? I've never said anything to the contrary. You seem to be arguing with yourself. Or, perhaps you've mistaken me for someone else. Which is it? So you think that the death toll from non-Muslim terrorism outnumbers the death toll from Islam inspired terrorism in line with your statistics on the number of attacks? No. Where are you getting that from? I am getting it by trying to make sense of the bullshit you are posting. The bullshit is coming from you. I'm posting the absolute truth. You asked for an example of non-Muslim terrorism. I posted several examples. If you want to keep moving the goalposts, you'll have to find someone else to play with. I don't play those childish games. Just in case you missed it: not all terrorism is carried out by Muslims.  In fact, it's quite the opposite. This is an indisputable fact, and all the Islamophobia in the world can't change that. ;D ;D ;D ;D Russian Spokesman: Panama Papers Leak Reveals ‘Putinophobia’ Everyone is getting in on the act.

Shssssssh! Don't mention our great national leader, Mr Putin!

What are you ?    Putin-o-phobic ?

He likes to go skiing!

Whats wrong with that ?


:)


Shssssssh!