ALICE SCHWARZER: “Everyone looked the other way. The parties looked the other way. All of them. The media looked the other way, nobody wanted to admit it. But it has happened in front of our eyes. I’m convinced however, we have, for the first time in Germany since 1945, a growing right-wing movement. There’s always been a small right-wing movement, a few problems too, but a lot smaller than all the neighbouring countries because Germany has really learnt its lesson after the Nazi era. And now, for the very first time, we have growing support for right-wing populists”.

http://www.abc.net.au/foreign/content/2015/s4433483.htm

The attempt to sweep this under the carpet was rather disturbing.

Misguided as it was, you can understand the mindset, given the rapidly growing threat of right wing extremism - as the woman mentions.

The stupidity and dishonesty of muslims and their apologists has worked in favour of the people who recognized just how evil islam actually is.

terrorism: noun
The calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear


muslims regularly commit the most heinous atrocities conceivable against their fellow man, in the full knowledge that they are praised, glorified and excused by these commands, teachings and verses of evil, which epitomize islam.

muslims had their golden opportunity in 2001 (9 / 11) they should have purged the satanism from islam.

They didn't, instead the apologists got squarely behind them, together they lied and made the most pathetic of excuses about islam, resulting in islamic atrocities spreading and growing to mammoth proportions around the globe.

Result: opposition to islam and their sniveling apologists is rapidly increasing around the world.

muslims and their apologist are trapped by their own imbecility, they can't remove the filth and perversion which is the root cause of islamic terrorism without destroying islam.

The blood will continue to flow, muslims and their apologists will never criticize the islamic evil which causes the death and destruction.

It's only natural that more and more honest decent people will turn against them.

moses wrote on Apr 1^st, 2016 at 5:15pm:

The stupidity and dishonesty of muslims and their apologists has worked in favour of the people who recognized just how evil islam actually is.

translation: the mishandling of Cologne has emboldened the neo-nazis. Yes, I agree.

no fifteen years (9/11/2001) of lies and dishonesty by  the muslims and their apologists is now bearing the fruits of their lunacy

Comparing the Germany of the 1930s to the Germany of today shows at least one glaring social difference. In the 30s, the Nazi used a fictitious threat to help unite the population in their interest. The fictitious threat was the Jews. But they were an easy mark with no way of defending themselves.

Today, German and the EU have a very real threat from a flood of Muzlims. Not only can they defend themselves, their martyrs are on the attack with explosives and machine guns.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 1^st, 2016 at 3:29pm:

The attempt to sweep this under the carpet was rather disturbing. Misguided as it was, you can understand the mindset, given the rapidly growing threat of right wing extremism - as the woman mentions.

Is anyone who doesn't think Muslim immigration is a good thing right wing?

FRAUKE PETRY: [Leader, Alternative Party for Germany] Cologne was an accident that waited to happen but it was not a singular event because at the same time we had similar incidents going on in the north, in the south of Germany but they were not as well published as the Cologne events. They symbolise a development in Germany that clearly has to do with migration, that clearly has to do with failures in integration policies over the past five decades I would say. I would say it’s time to wake up that’s what I think German’s now do - and especially women I think now realise that it’s not their classical representatives such as the Greens who take action, but it’s us, the Alternative.

Were the Jews actually pack raping German women in the 30's? This is the sort of behaviour that Gandalf used to justify the extermination of a whole tribe of Jews by Muhammed. He likes to point out that Muhammed excused his actions by spinning it as the Jews' own standards being applied to them. I wonder what would happen if we applied Muhammed's standards to Europe's Muslims?

Do you think the rise of the far right in Europe is a concern FD?

When you're threatened by such a vicious enemy as Islam you make allies where you have to.

Time you abandoned Islam gandalf for the sake of your liberties.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2016 at 10:58am:

Do you think the rise of the far right in Europe is a concern FD?

I think it's a very big concern. Do you think the rise of Saudi sponsored Islamisation is a concern?

GordyL wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2016 at 11:09am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2nd, 2016 at 10:58am: Do you think the rise of the far right in Europe is a concern FD? I think it's a very big concern. Do you think the rise of Saudi sponsored Islamisation is a concern?

Yes - an even greater concern as far as I'm concerned. But it doesn't mean we should be spineless apologists for the other.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2016 at 11:15am:

GordyL wrote on Apr 2nd, 2016 at 11:09am: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2nd, 2016 at 10:58am: Do you think the rise of the far right in Europe is a concern FD? I think it's a very big concern. Do you think the rise of Saudi sponsored Islamisation is a concern? Yes - an even greater concern as far as I'm concerned. But it doesn't mean we should be spineless apologists for the other.

But Gandalf, can't you see what's happening here?

I'm a centrist on most issues, a bit lefty on workers rights issues, I vote green on environmental issues.

I also have a massive fkucing problem with large scale immigration of Muslims to Australia. Saudi $$$ Islamisation is pouring into mosques and Islam is tipping towards intolerant Islamisation.

About that I may be wrong, I may be right, but which ever way, I'd be shouted down and called an Islamophobe and a racist.

I'm not about to turn to right wing politics but some will.

You know how it's said Isis's best recruiting tool is is right wing politicians?

Well the far rights best recruiting tool is the lefty who shouts racist and Islamophobe at any critique or concern of Islam.

GordyL wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2016 at 11:30am:

I also have a massive fkucing problem with large scale immigration of Muslims to Australia. Saudi $$$ Islamisation is pouring into mosques and Islam is tipping towards intolerant Islamisation. About that I may be wrong, I may be right, but which ever way, I'd be shouted down and called an Islamophobe and a racist.

Don't you think you've just highlighted a problem here?

Do you think the people who shout you down and call you Islamophobe are justified in criticising you for claiming something is a "massive fkucking problem" - when you admit yourself that you "may be wrong"?

Do you think the people who accuse others of Islamophobia have a point when they argue that ignorance and misinformation is at the heart of the matter?

issuevoter wrote on Apr 1^st, 2016 at 6:12pm:

Comparing the Germany of the 1930s to the Germany of today shows at least one glaring social difference. In the 30s, the Nazi used a fictitious threat to help unite the population in their interest.

you mean like they are doing now?

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2016 at 10:58am:

Do you think the rise of the far right in Europe is a concern FD?

Nowadays everyone who wants national sovereignty, democracy, rule of law is 'far right'.
Howard and Abbott were called 'far right', anyone who doesn't want to go along with the Merkel plan is called 'far right', anyone who doesn't want illegal immigration is called 'far right'.

There is no 'rising far right' in Europe or anywhere else. People who put their own nation first within their borders are not 'far right'. The 'far right' talk is just double speak.

islam is cursed by it's satanic god,deranged prophet, debauched qur'an and depraved tenets. All followed to the letter by a brain dead, self indoctrinated bunch of muslim zombies.

The tide is turning, more and more people are turning against the unholy duo (muslims and their apologists).

Expect this evil duet to up the ante with more repressive laws, lies and hypocrisy, before truth eventually wins in the end.

moses wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2016 at 5:39pm:

islam is cursed by it's satanic god,deranged prophet, debauched qur'an and depraved tenets. All followed to the letter by a brain dead, self indoctrinated bunch of muslim zombies.

You've got FD's attention, Moses. It would be good if you could put this in the form of a question.

Sometimes a question is just a question, after all.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2016 at 3:58pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 2nd, 2016 at 11:30am: I also have a massive fkucing problem with large scale immigration of Muslims to Australia. Saudi $$$ Islamisation is pouring into mosques and Islam is tipping towards intolerant Islamisation. About that I may be wrong, I may be right, but which ever way, I'd be shouted down and called an Islamophobe and a racist. Don't you think you've just highlighted a problem here? Do you think the people who shout you down and call you Islamophobe are justified in criticising you for claiming something is a "massive fkucking problem" - when you admit yourself that you "may be wrong"? Do you think the people who accuse others of Islamophobia have a point when they argue that ignorance and misinformation is at the heart of the matter?

You love to pick out the juicy bit eh? A bit like how Muzzies will fill pages of hate when when a Jew kills one Palestinian then when ISIS or Boko inflict whole scale slaughter, it's meh..

My point is that Islam is lurching towards Islamisation across the world thanks to Saudi exporting their perverse Koran adhering culture. You know they're pumping money in Australian Mosques, right? Yes?

Quote:

Do you think the rise of the far right in Europe is a concern FD?

I am watching it with interest. At the moment I am more concerned about Muslims slaughtering people in the streets. I am actually surprised they have been so restrained. Sooner or later the reactionaries are going to start returning fire, and it will all go downhill from there.

Either that or the self-identified Islamic reformers will step up to the plate. You never know.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2016 at 10:58am:

Do you think the rise of the far right in Europe is a concern FD?

More on the 'rising far right' in Europe:


Qatar’s Dr Noureddine Miladi condemns far-right violence in Europe:

On Saturday 2 April 2016 a far-right activist decided to run over a Muslim woman with a car in Brussels Molenbeek. Such hate-driven actions are expected to increase because of the simmering and tense atmosphere.
Will policy makers take pro-active measures to deter the upsurge in Islamophobia? [/i]


The alleged “far-right activist” and an accomplice have now been charged:

The two suspects have been identified as Mohammed B. and Redouane B. They were under the influence of alcohol and banned substances at the time. They are not linked to far right protesters who surfaced in Molenbeek on Saturday.



They’re Muslims.

Always the victims...

Can you imagine how they are going to respond if the far right extremists start wandering into the Muslim ghettos with machine guns?

freediver wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 7:33pm:

Always the victims... Can you imagine how they are going to respond if the far right extremists start wandering into the Muslim ghettos with machine guns?

They'd say, "now there's a strong horse".

GordyL wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2016 at 6:32pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2nd, 2016 at 3:58pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 2nd, 2016 at 11:30am: I also have a massive fkucing problem with large scale immigration of Muslims to Australia. Saudi $$$ Islamisation is pouring into mosques and Islam is tipping towards intolerant Islamisation. About that I may be wrong, I may be right, but which ever way, I'd be shouted down and called an Islamophobe and a racist. Don't you think you've just highlighted a problem here? Do you think the people who shout you down and call you Islamophobe are justified in criticising you for claiming something is a "massive fkucking problem" - when you admit yourself that you "may be wrong"? Do you think the people who accuse others of Islamophobia have a point when they argue that ignorance and misinformation is at the heart of the matter? You love to pick out the juicy bit eh? A bit like how Muzzies will fill pages of hate when when a Jew kills one Palestinian then when ISIS or Boko inflict whole scale slaughter, it's meh.. My point is that Islam is lurching towards Islamisation across the world thanks to Saudi exporting their perverse Koran adhering culture. You know they're pumping money in Australian Mosques, right? Yes?

Gandalf is very similar to Greg. He doesn't actually address the serious issue of Islamisation in the west - well, for him it's not an issue - he'd rather look for some little word or point in what you say and then try and spin the discussion off into another direction.

Here you made the very "western" mistake of saying "I might be wrong" You must never do that when talking to a muslim. You must keep reminding them they are an undesirable minority and that's the way it's going to stay.
If they don't like that they can leave. We might even pay for their ticket.

Or maybe Karnal comes along - I think he & Gandalf have a team system - and moves the discussion elsewhere.

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 2:31pm:

Gandalf is very similar to Greg. He doesn't actually address the serious issue of Islamisation in the west - well, for him it's not an issue - he'd rather look for some little word or point in what you say and then try and spin the discussion off into another direction.

I address it all the time - its just that you don't like the way I address it.

Unlike the "ban them, deport them, kill them" brigade that somehow FD miraculously has never seen here, I see the issue of extremism/Islamisation in the west as one of alienation, which can only be resolved by community consultation, collaboration, development and education. The problem is not Islam - we know this because the evidence demonstrates conclusively that mainstream Islamic institutions including mosques and schools reduce extremism, not promote it: extremists invariably turn out to have avoided mainstream Islamic institutions, and instead were radicalised by 'back-street Imams' - with no recognised qualifications and shunned by mainstream Islamic bodies. Data from the UK, the US and anecdotally from Australia clearly demonstrates this. So my solution (and cue cries of derision) is to bring western muslims into mainstream Islam, not out of it - and give mainstream Islamic institutions the support and encouragement they need to facilitate this.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 1^st, 2016 at 5:19pm:

moses wrote on Apr 1st, 2016 at 5:15pm: The stupidity and dishonesty of muslims and their apologists has worked in favour of the people who recognized just how evil islam actually is. translation: the mishandling of Cologne has emboldened the neo-nazis. Yes, I agree.

Maybe if those filthy 'reffos' (they never were) didn't rape so many women and children around germany there wouldn't be such a problem, now would there.

But what would expect from these people.

There will be blood in the streets before too long, whose is yet to be determined.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 3:51pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 2:31pm: Gandalf is very similar to Greg. He doesn't actually address the serious issue of Islamisation in the west - well, for him it's not an issue - he'd rather look for some little word or point in what you say and then try and spin the discussion off into another direction. I address it all the time - its just that you don't like the way I address it. Unlike the "ban them, deport them, kill them" brigade that somehow FD miraculously has never seen here, I see the issue of extremism/Islamisation in the west as one of alienation, which can only be resolved by community consultation, collaboration, development and education. The problem is not Islam - we know this because the evidence demonstrates conclusively that mainstream Islamic institutions including mosques and schools reduce extremism, not promote it: extremists invariably turn out to have avoided mainstream Islamic institutions, and instead were radicalised by 'back-street Imams' - with no recognised qualifications and shunned by mainstream Islamic bodies. Data from the UK, the US and anecdotally from Australia clearly demonstrates this. So my solution (and cue cries of derision) is to bring western muslims into mainstream Islam, not out of it - and give mainstream Islamic institutions the support and encouragement they need to facilitate this.

The difficulty is that nobody can tell the difference between mainstream and radicalised Muslims until after someone is killed or injured. 

That's the problem. And as Trump suggests, it would be good to be able to figure out how to tell them apart - and stop them coming until we can figure out.

WHat is outrageous is not what Trump said but that we still can't tell the mainstream from the radicals among us, 15 years after 9/11.  I don't think we would continue to allow in, say, members of the Red Brigades, or Pol Potistas or KKKs any other religio-political group with solid terroris credentials just because they haven't killed anyone yet and may be just quiet supporters or quiet frawners even, but still, not denouncers of the ideology.

Just as Muslims do not separate politics (their 'complete Islamic way of life') from religion, nobody else sees Islam as merely a religion but also as a political force. A fractured and in-fighting and ever-shape shifting political force.

Frank wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 4:24pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 3:51pm: bogarde73 wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 2:31pm: Gandalf is very similar to Greg. He doesn't actually address the serious issue of Islamisation in the west - well, for him it's not an issue - he'd rather look for some little word or point in what you say and then try and spin the discussion off into another direction. I address it all the time - its just that you don't like the way I address it. Unlike the "ban them, deport them, kill them" brigade that somehow FD miraculously has never seen here, I see the issue of extremism/Islamisation in the west as one of alienation, which can only be resolved by community consultation, collaboration, development and education. The problem is not Islam - we know this because the evidence demonstrates conclusively that mainstream Islamic institutions including mosques and schools reduce extremism, not promote it: extremists invariably turn out to have avoided mainstream Islamic institutions, and instead were radicalised by 'back-street Imams' - with no recognised qualifications and shunned by mainstream Islamic bodies. Data from the UK, the US and anecdotally from Australia clearly demonstrates this. So my solution (and cue cries of derision) is to bring western muslims into mainstream Islam, not out of it - and give mainstream Islamic institutions the support and encouragement they need to facilitate this. The difficulty is that nobody can tell the difference between mainstream and radicalised Muslims until after someone is killed or injured.  That's the problem. And as Trump suggests, it would be good to be able to figure out how to tell them apart - and stop them coming until we can figure out.

Yes, but couldn't we just ask them questions at the airport?

FD would be good at this.

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 4:10pm:

There will be blood in the streets before too long, whose is yet to be determined.

You've been waiting for this moment for quite some time, no?

Karnal wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 4:39pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 4:10pm: There will be blood in the streets before too long, whose is yet to be determined. You've been waiting for this moment for quite some time, no?

You do realise we do not live in germany don't you, genius?



You are safer in this country from us, than we are from you.

Karnal wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 4:39pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 4:10pm: There will be blood in the streets before too long, whose is yet to be determined. You've been waiting for this moment for quite some time, no?

Well, there has been blood on the streets of Paris, Bruxelles, London etc for years.

But Westerners who don't like the regular bombings, beheadings and shooting by Muslims are called 'far right'. They are expected to live with and put up with it because anything else is what "ISIS wants" (the stupidest argument ever).
Muslim terrorists can be on the run in the capital of Europe for months, hiding in a vast network of helpful fellow Muslims. But if you notice that and say something you are 'dividing us'.  As if hiding wanted terrorists for months wasn't divisive.

It is as if noticing the vast network of terrorist sympathisers was worse than the existence of the networks.


It's all very twisted and bizarre.

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 4:51pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 4:39pm: BigOl64 wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 4:10pm: There will be blood in the streets before too long, whose is yet to be determined. You've been waiting for this moment for quite some time, no? You do realise we do not live in germany don't you, genius? You are safer in this country from us, than we are from you.

True, Big. Don't drop the soap. 

That's what it is alright Frank - bizarre. It has a lot of similarity to the Cold War & who can you trust in the espionage game.
I've just been listening to a recently discovered tape of Kim Philby addressing a Stasi forum in 1981 and that has the same kind of bizarre atmosphere
(I cant post a link on my phone but it can be found on BBC Radio 4 under Analysis)

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 3:51pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 2:31pm: Gandalf is very similar to Greg. He doesn't actually address the serious issue of Islamisation in the west - well, for him it's not an issue - he'd rather look for some little word or point in what you say and then try and spin the discussion off into another direction. I address it all the time - its just that you don't like the way I address it. Unlike the "ban them, deport them, kill them" brigade that somehow FD miraculously has never seen here, I see the issue of extremism/Islamisation in the west as one of alienation, which can only be resolved by community consultation, collaboration, development and education. The problem is not Islam - we know this because the evidence demonstrates conclusively that mainstream Islamic institutions including mosques and schools reduce extremism, not promote it: extremists invariably turn out to have avoided mainstream Islamic institutions, and instead were radicalised by 'back-street Imams' - with no recognised qualifications and shunned by mainstream Islamic bodies. Data from the UK, the US and anecdotally from Australia clearly demonstrates this. So my solution (and cue cries of derision) is to bring western muslims into mainstream Islam, not out of it - and give mainstream Islamic institutions the support and encouragement they need to facilitate this.

Is this what you mean by reform Gandalf?

freediver wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 9:33pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 3:51pm: bogarde73 wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 2:31pm: Gandalf is very similar to Greg. He doesn't actually address the serious issue of Islamisation in the west - well, for him it's not an issue - he'd rather look for some little word or point in what you say and then try and spin the discussion off into another direction. I address it all the time - its just that you don't like the way I address it. Unlike the "ban them, deport them, kill them" brigade that somehow FD miraculously has never seen here, I see the issue of extremism/Islamisation in the west as one of alienation, which can only be resolved by community consultation, collaboration, development and education. The problem is not Islam - we know this because the evidence demonstrates conclusively that mainstream Islamic institutions including mosques and schools reduce extremism, not promote it: extremists invariably turn out to have avoided mainstream Islamic institutions, and instead were radicalised by 'back-street Imams' - with no recognised qualifications and shunned by mainstream Islamic bodies. Data from the UK, the US and anecdotally from Australia clearly demonstrates this. So my solution (and cue cries of derision) is to bring western muslims into mainstream Islam, not out of it - and give mainstream Islamic institutions the support and encouragement they need to facilitate this. Is this what you mean by reform Gandalf?

What do you think of G's idea, FD?

I'm curious. I'm keen to hear what you think.

Gandalf recently tried to back out of giving a straight answer about mainstream Muslim leaders getting caught telling really bad lies to the media by dismissing them as extremists. He never did explain how to tell which are the bad Muslims prior to them showing up on the front page.

Surprise surprise, the answer is to give more money to Muslims. They'll take care of it. Maybe they'll spend it on educating Muslim children. This is the derision part Gandalf mentioned. He has obviously thought this one through.

No, I was keen to hear what you think of G’s idea. Have you had a total lobotomy?

That’s sad. It seems like there’s almost no thought left.

John Smith wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2016 at 4:12pm:

issuevoter wrote on Apr 1st, 2016 at 6:12pm: Comparing the Germany of the 1930s to the Germany of today shows at least one glaring social difference. In the 30s, the Nazi used a fictitious threat to help unite the population in their interest. you mean like they are doing now?

Islamic terrorism is fictitious? ISIS dont exist? are you sure?

Karnal wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 10:45pm:

No, I was keen to hear what you think of G’s idea. Have you had a total lobotomy? That’s sad. It seems like there’s almost no thought left.

I'm guessing FD won't have anything to say on this:

http://nypost.com/2016/03/27/how-us-mosques-genuinely-help-fight-extremism/


Quote:

frequent mosque attendance “is linked with higher levels of civic engagement. Muslims who regularly attend mosques are more likely to work with their neighbors to solve community problems” as well as to vote. According to the survey, “Muslims who say their faith is important to their identity are more likely to say being American is important to how they think of themselves than those who express a weak religious identity.” It turns out that attending a mosque in the United States, like attending a church, actually seems to have a moderating influence on people’s behavior. Rather than just getting theological and political messages from television or the Internet, people who are part of religious institutions are more likely to hear a message that is rooted in the realities of American life.

I would respond with "Duh".

In other breaking news, frequent civic engagement is linked with higher levels of civic engagement.

Is this what the Islamic state is all about?

So FD - you actually acknowledge mosque attendance as "civic engagement" -  that has a positive influence?

We might be making progress.

No.

I am saying that it is civic engagement that is linked with civic engagement. This is also what your NYP quote says.

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:08am:

No. I am saying that it is civic engagement that is linked with civic engagement. This is also what your NYP quote says.

Sorry FD, when you said your response to the article was "duh" - I thought you might have been talking about what the article actually said - rather than your cherry picking of what the article said.

So, I'm guessing this part isn't part of your "duh"?:


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It turns out that attending a mosque in the United States, like attending a church, actually seems to have a moderating influence on people’s behavior. Rather than just getting theological and political messages from television or the Internet, people who are part of religious institutions are more likely to hear a message that is rooted in the realities of American life.

So people who get their "theological and political messages" from a Mosque are less likely to get them from a television?

I am so relieved. Got any other good news for me?

Would you be so bold as to agree that civic engagement is a good antidote to radicalisation FD?

Would you say 'duh' to that?

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 10:10am:

Would you be so bold as to agree that civic engagement is a good antidote to radicalisation FD? Would you say 'duh' to that?

They could either receive the 'right' message or the wrong message from their mosques; unless each mosque and imam underwent a thorough investigation and approval process, I wouldn't get too excited.

A change of imam and with it a change of message; a system that is  about as reliable chinese rolex.

I would not make such a clumsy generalisation Gandalf, especially after you tried to pass off those Imams who got busted lying about their religious views to the press as the 'extremist' ones, on a purely post-hoc basis.

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 10:23am:

I would not make such a clumsy generalisation Gandalf,

Exactly. You’d prefer to discuss Muslims taking away the Freeeeedom of decent white people everywhere.

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 10:23am:

I would not make such a clumsy generalisation Gandalf, especially after you tried to pass off those Imams who got busted lying about their religious views to the press as the 'extremist' ones, on a purely post-hoc basis.

So why was your reaction to the article 'duh' - if you actually object strongly to it?

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 10:23am:

I would not make such a clumsy generalisation Gandalf,

;D ;D ALmost missed this.

Nothing to see here folks - just 'grinning muslims' - but we definitely wouldn't be making any 'clumsy generalisations'.

I agree that civic engagement is related to civic engagement. I even agree that people who get their "theological and political messages" from a Mosque are less likely to get them from a television.

What I disagreed with and derided was your earlier post. Feel free to take another look.

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 10:38am:

I agree that civic engagement is related to civic engagement. I even agree that people who get their "theological and political messages" from a Mosque are less likely to get them from a television..

Is depends who's in the mosque, right?

Great they're being forced out, but why were they allowed in their in the first place?

Maybe not so great as they'll just preach their hate elsewhere.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/hardline-islamic-preachers-forced-out-of-sydney-mosques-20160217-gmwk57.html

So why was your reaction to the article 'duh' - if you really object strongly to it?

Feel free to actually read the article if you want.