at school.

"White British pupils are being overtaken at school by students from ten other ethnic groups by the time they sit their GCSEs, an alarming new report reveals today.

At the age of five, white British students are among the top three highest achievers, and their shocking slip down the rankings by the time they reach 16 was last night blamed on the education system and their parents.

The trend will renew concern about the under-achievement of white working-class pupils, in particular, which MPs have previously labelled as ‘staggeringly low’.

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The apologists are saying the blame lies with the system.

Utter nonsense of course, and needless to say it does not lie with the system, but with the ethnic cultures involved.

Shaming the parents for doing badly at school has no comparison in Anglo culture where tolerance and 'understanding' forgives all.

But among the Chinese and Indians it's a matter of acute concern to the children. Mustn't shame the parents.

And so the ethnic kids go to Swat Factories in the UK just like they do here. They learn by repetition and rote. It's hammered into them during long hours outside of normal school hours.

Meanwhile the Anglo kids are watching TV or outside kicking a football around.

DISCUSS!

Well, its no secret that examinations as they stand at the moment, have their faults.  They can be learned, and countered.   It has been like this forever. 

At age five, those who grow up here tend to have home court advantage, as English is our first language.  However, this advantage gets lesser, as other ethnics catch up.  And by 16, home grown English students usually (not always) only knows one language, but the ethnic students would know two language.   Language units usually attract more favourable adjustment in terms of ranking points, and all of sudden English students are a foot behind. 

And then, you get the weekend tutorials.  Its not so bad in private schools, as we tend to have very seasoned teachers who can coach us for the exams.  But one can imagine, this is not so in public schools where resources are very limited.  I heard most good teachers in public schools eventually get recruited in by private schools with better pay and condition.  So you get, generally a bunch of teachers just teach to curriculum in Public schools.    In which case, the ethnic students will have the edge, because their parents put them through weekend tutorial classes. 

Of course, this is just generalization.  Some selective entry / zoned high school have very high quality teaching as well.  But you pay for it by getting into the school zone, and plus most of them are ethnic family as well. 

I do both

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 1:36pm:

The trend will renew concern about the under-achievement of white working-class pupils, in particular, which MPs have previously labelled as ‘staggeringly low’.[/i]

Thank god for White Privilege to get us through.


It's just lower class dole scum breed at a greater rate than educated middle class and therefore have an adverse effect of the intellectual bell curve.

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 2:21pm:

It's just lower class dole scum breed at a greater rate than educated middle class.

I assume you're from a big family, BigO.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 2:25pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 2:21pm: It's just lower class dole scum breed at a greater rate than educated middle class. I assume you're from a big family, BigO.

Once again, your ability to apply basic deductive reasoning has failed you due to a paucity of intellectual capacity.

So no, genius

tickleandrose wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 1:53pm:

Well, its no secret that examinations as they stand at the moment, have their faults.  They can be learned, and countered.   It has been like this forever.  At age five, those who grow up here tend to have home court advantage, as English is our first language.  However, this advantage gets lesser, as other ethnics catch up.  And by 16, home grown English students usually (not always) only knows one language, but the ethnic students would know two language.   Language units usually attract more favourable adjustment in terms of ranking points, and all of sudden English students are a foot behind.  And then, you get the weekend tutorials.  Its not so bad in private schools, as we tend to have very seasoned teachers who can coach us for the exams.  But one can imagine, this is not so in public schools where resources are very limited.  I heard most good teachers in public schools eventually get recruited in by private schools with better pay and condition.  So you get, generally a bunch of teachers just teach to curriculum in Public schools.    In which case, the ethnic students will have the edge, because their parents put them through weekend tutorial classes.  Of course, this is just generalization.  Some selective entry / zoned high school have very high quality teaching as well.  But you pay for it but getting into the school zone, and plus most of them are ethnic family as well.

Some interesting comments there, Tickle.

In my day private schools were called Public Schools, and public schools were called Secondary Modern schools - or Grammar schools for the genuinely bright kids.

Now I believe there's a proliferation of something called 'Academies' - fercrissake.

As for most Secondary school teachers switching over to privately-funded schools, I'm not convinced that a whole lot of them do this - and the reason I say this is because at these private schools the teachers are expected to work 6 days a week and possibly do rostered work on Sundays.

It's the only reason my niece who is a teacher does not want to make the switch despite huge financial rewards. 5 days is enough - plus the hours at home preparing exams and marking exercise books.

And yes - as you say - the ethnic parents pressure their kids to do WAY more hours of hard slog at their books than the locals.

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 2:21pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 1:36pm: The trend will renew concern about the under-achievement of white working-class pupils, in particular, which MPs have previously labelled as ‘staggeringly low’.[/i] Thank god for White Privilege to get us through. It's just lower class dole scum breed at a greater rate than educated middle class and therefore have an adverse effect of the intellectual bell curve.

HOLD IT RIGHT THERE, BigFella!

I once had the privilege of playing cricket for my private school against a local Grammar School that was composed of kids from the poorest families in the district - but who had been filtered through into this School for High Achievers as the brightest of the bright with IQs that lit up the ceiling lights as they walked through the corridors ...  8-)

You could see the intelligence in their eyes, while us cashed-up kids tried not to drag our knuckles too much on the cricket field.

'Poor' does mean stupid.

poo! I meant 'POOR' does NOT mean STUPID!

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 2:57pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 2:21pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 1:36pm: The trend will renew concern about the under-achievement of white working-class pupils, in particular, which MPs have previously labelled as ‘staggeringly low’.[/i] Thank god for White Privilege to get us through. It's just lower class dole scum breed at a greater rate than educated middle class and therefore have an adverse effect of the intellectual bell curve. HOLD IT RIGHT THERE, BigFella! I once had the privilege of playing cricket for my private school against a local Grammar School that was composed of kids from the poorest families in the district - but who had been filtered through into this School for High Achievers as the brightest of the bright with IQs that lit up the ceiling lights as they walked through the corridors ...  8-) You could see the intelligence in their eyes, while us cashed-up kids tried not to drag our knuckles too much on the cricket field. 'Poor' does mean stupid.

In the real world it does, smart people are rarely poor people and poor people rarely instill a work ethic in their children ensuring their 'inner brilliance' carries through to the next generation.

And I did refer to the middle classes not the self indulgent and indolent rich. We still work hard for our money.

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 1:36pm:

Utter nonsense of course, and needless to say it does not lie with the system, but with the ethnic cultures involved.

Ethnicity has nothing to do with it, Herbie.

Let me remind you: The top 1 percent owns one third; the top 10 percent of that owns 60 percent of all wealth, while the bottom 30 percent of the population owns squat or in in massive perceptual debt.

Such social inequality will no doubt reflect itself in any educational system.

hmmm. Are you educated Marla?  which bracket are you in?

First tell me what bridge you live under.

White flag accepted marla.

I meant to say POOR does NOT mean STUPID in my above post.

(Migraine is a BITCH that fcks with your head).

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

In the real world it does, smart people are rarely poor people and poor people rarely instill a work ethic in their children ensuring their 'inner brilliance' carries through to the next generation. And I did refer to the middle classes not the self indulgent and indolent rich. We still work hard for our money.

You're being a little too facile there, BigFella.

Stereotyping applies to some but not to all.

When I arrived in Australia I did what most others did at that time ... head for the nearest manufacturing plant and start working on a machine that made widgets.

What I discovered was that despite having come from straitened circumstances a lot of these 'wogs' were in fact every bit as bright as the ethnic GPs and specialists we see working in our suburbs today.

It was only language difficulties and opportunity for study that kept them back from entering a white-collar profession.

Marla wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 12:44am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 1:36pm: Utter nonsense of course, and needless to say it does not lie with the system, but with the ethnic cultures involved. Ethnicity has nothing to do with it, Herbie.

Oh shít, NOW I'm in trouble - and I was doing so well too.

... er ... yes it DOES have a significant bearing upon the study ethic in the home due to the inherent culture that comes with different ethnic backgrounds.

I know this for a FACT from my observations over many decades of having worked among a score of different immigrant ethnic nationalities.




Marla wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 12:44am:

Let me remind you: The top 1 percent owns one third; the top 10 percent of that owns 60 percent of all wealth, while the bottom 30 percent of the population owns squat or in in massive perceptual debt. Such social inequality will no doubt reflect itself in any educational system.

Hang on! - get back on the subject, please - you're rabbiting on about something entirely different here. You're back on your Socialist obsession again.

We're talking about how cultural background influences attitude towards study and self-improvement until a professional standard is reached through TAFE or university.

"White Anglos have fallen WAY behind the ethnics".

Are there black Anglos????.

I guess British cast (class) system will fixed it.

capitosinora wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 8:17am:

"White Anglos have fallen WAY behind the ethnics". Are there black Anglos????. I guess British cast (class) system will fixed it.

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Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 6:59am:

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 3:03pm: In the real world it does, smart people are rarely poor people and poor people rarely instill a work ethic in their children ensuring their 'inner brilliance' carries through to the next generation. And I did refer to the middle classes not the self indulgent and indolent rich. We still work hard for our money. You're being a little too facile there, BigFella. Stereotyping applies to some but not to all. When I arrived in Australia I did what most others did at that time ... head for the nearest manufacturing plant and start working on a machine that made widgets. What I discovered was that despite having come from straitened circumstances a lot of these 'wogs' were in fact every bit as bright as the ethnic GPs and specialists we see working in our suburbs today. It was only language difficulties and opportunity for study that kept them back from entering a white-collar profession.

Looks like your private school education has not helped you at all. The word "rarely" is a modifier that denotes not always, so when I used it twice I meant not always, but sometimes; unlike your understanding of it to mean always.


BTW contrived anecdotal evidence isn't worth the paper it wasn't written on.