Waddyareckon?  Has Turdfull misgambled here?  How can successfully get around this position.

"Sure, Turdfull, there is corrupt conduct within Unions which needs to be dealt with.  We support that....just change your proposed legislation to include corruption everywhere, and we support your Bill.

You do want to deal with corruption wherever it is, don't you, Mal?  Let's work together on this."

He can be so easily put between a rock and hard place over this, and I reckon it is a another political blunder just like his double taxation proposal.

People are not stupid. 

The bloke is a joke: he will be remembered for his special hop and ending the Howard era joke!

Looks like parliament is only going to sit for 2 days


The prime minister’s plan to fly 150 politicians to Canberra for two days’ sitting is not only fiscally irresponsible, it’s also treating taxpayers as mugs says Labor’s manager of Opposition business and shadow finance minister, Tony Burke.

“This stunt is a recipe for fiscal recklessness on a grand scale,” Burke said.

“The Australian Financial Review is today reporting Malcolm Turnbull is planning an unprecedented move to recall the House of Representatives for just two days during the week starting 18 April.

“If nearly 150 MPs are flying to Canberra, it should be a normal parliamentary sitting week with Question Time every day beginning Monday.

“Malcolm Turnbull has questions to answer.”

“Anything less is a pure indulgence on the part of the Prime Minister and would be treating taxpayers as mugs,” Burke said.

Since parliament last sat, the PM has raised a plan for double taxation, said he would stop funding government schools but keep funding private schools, and one of his ‘inner circle’ has been embroiled in a donation scandal.

“Malcolm Turnbull has questions to answer and he cannot hide from his failures,” Burke said.

“Recalling the entire parliament for a political stunt but avoiding scrutiny.”

“Not only is Malcolm Turnbull trying to hide from accountability, he’s only willing to put up an anonymous source to confirm he’s trying to hide from accountability.

“Malcolm Turnbull needs to come clean with the Australian people about his plans for the parliament.

“We cannot have a situation where Malcolm Turnbull is recalling the entire parliament for a political stunt but avoiding scrutiny of his actions,” Burke added.

UPDATE:

The Turnbull government chaos and lack of communication within the leadership group continues today with the PM and the Leader of the House — Christopher Pyne — unable to say for how long the House of Representatives would sit when parliament returns.

On Sunday, Malcolm Turnbull told Sky News:

“The lower house will sit for a portion of that time, for at least the first part of the week beginning Monday, April 18.”

Malcolm Turnbull — SKY News — 3 April 2016

The Australian Financial Review subsequently reported:

“But the House of Representatives, which the government controls, is likely to sit only on Monday and Tuesday of the first week… said a senior source.”

AFR — 6 April 2016

“He doesn’t know if a decision has been made on how many days the House of Representatives will sit.”

Manager of Opposition Business Tony Burke said the Leader of the House walked away from Malcolm Turnbull’s vague commitment and the backgrounding in the Australian Financial Review.

Christopher Pyne this morning told the ABC:

“I don’t think we’ve made a decision yet about how many days the House of Representatives needs to sit.”

and:

“That decision is something that we will make over the course of the next few days, I assume.”

Christopher Pyne — ABC Radio — 6 April 2016

“Christopher Pyne is the person responsible for managing the Turnbull government’s agenda in the House of Representatives but he’s admitted this morning even he doesn’t know if a decision has been made on how many days the House of Representatives will sit and is simply assuming a decision will be made in the next few days,” Burke said.

“If the Turnbull government can’t agree on when parliament is going to sit, how can Australians trust them to manage anything?

“The government has gone to all the expense and trouble of bringing MPs back to Canberra but they don’t have a plan for what they’ll do when they arrive.

“The Turnbull government needs to end the chaos.”

“What we need is the PM to decide to either govern or to campaign.

“If he wants to campaign, call the election and let’s get on with it.

“If he wants to govern, get back to Canberra, recall the parliament and let’s do some governing; he can’t have it both ways.



“The Turnbull government needs to end the chaos, stop trying to hide from scrutiny and commit to a full parliamentary working week with Question Time,” Burke said.


https://www.laborherald.com.au/politics/pm-turnbull-cant-hide-from-his-failures/


There are some links in the story

He has wedged himself , unless the greens back the conalition on ABCC its the only way its getting supported , you can imagine the cross benchers presenting their ammendment to have a national ICAC and the Libs having a tanty and saying no ?  Starting to wonder if this crew of retards actually wants to get relected

Its time wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 2:56pm:

He has wedged himself , unless the greens back the conalition on ABCC its the only way its getting supported , you can imagine the cross benchers presenting their ammendment to have a national ICAC and the Libs having a tanty and saying no ?  Starting to wonder if this crew of retards actually wants to get relected

Prior comments from the Greens indicate they do not support the ABCC.  They'd be quite happy for a DD, I'd reckon.  Maybe Greenswin can clarify that.

The Opposition supporting union corruption.........A G A I N

What's news?

Aussie wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 2:22pm:

Waddyareckon?  Has Turdfull misgambled here?  How can successfully get around this position. "Sure, Turdfull, there is corrupt conduct within Unions which needs to be dealt with.  We support that....just change your proposed legislation to include corruption everywhere, and we support your Bill. You do want to deal with corruption wherever it is, don't you, Mal?  Let's work together on this." He can be so easily put between a rock and hard place over this, and I reckon it is a another political blunder just like his double taxation proposal. People are not stupid.

The ABCC is targetted specifically at a highly corrupt area. The refusal to pass it because they dont get their own way is childish. it is not dissimilar to the GReens voting down the ETS coz they didnt get what they wanted and now 7 years later they still have nothing.

The ABCC is ready to get up and going now. Anything else would take years to sort out and get going.

POlitical grandstanding by foolish indies trying to get noticed.  Instead, they will get the sack.

Aussie wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 3:06pm:

Its time wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 2:56pm: He has wedged himself , unless the greens back the conalition on ABCC its the only way its getting supported , you can imagine the cross benchers presenting their ammendment to have a national ICAC and the Libs having a tanty and saying no ?  Starting to wonder if this crew of retards actually wants to get relected Prior comments from the Greens indicate they do not support the ABCC.  They'd be quite happy for a DD, I'd reckon.  Maybe Greenswin can clarify that.

Of course they dont support it.  They rarely support anything, but they did manage to vote AGAINST discussion on gay marriage which is odd to say the least.

Swagman wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 3:14pm:

The Opposition supporting union corruption.........A G A I N What's news?

Swaggy doesn't know how the stockmarket works  :D :D :D :D

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 3:32pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 2:22pm: Waddyareckon?  Has Turdfull misgambled here?  How can successfully get around this position. "Sure, Turdfull, there is corrupt conduct within Unions which needs to be dealt with.  We support that....just change your proposed legislation to include corruption everywhere, and we support your Bill. You do want to deal with corruption wherever it is, don't you, Mal?  Let's work together on this." He can be so easily put between a rock and hard place over this, and I reckon it is a another political blunder just like his double taxation proposal. People are not stupid.  The ABCC is targetted specifically at a highly corrupt area. The refusal to pass it because they dont get their own way is childish. it is not dissimilar to the GReens voting down the ETS coz they didnt get what they wanted and now 7 years later they still have nothing. The ABCC is ready to get up and going now. Anything else would take years to sort out and get going. POlitical grandstanding by foolish indies trying to get noticed.  Instead, they will get the sack.

The libs link to global mining incoporated means you can't even say the word corruption with a straight face.

Hey, let's spend billions on copper internet in the Asian century we built for no logical reason  ::) ::)

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 3:32pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 2:22pm: Waddyareckon?  Has Turdfull misgambled here?  How can successfully get around this position. "Sure, Turdfull, there is corrupt conduct within Unions which needs to be dealt with.  We support that....just change your proposed legislation to include corruption everywhere, and we support your Bill. You do want to deal with corruption wherever it is, don't you, Mal?  Let's work together on this." He can be so easily put between a rock and hard place over this, and I reckon it is a another political blunder just like his double taxation proposal. People are not stupid.  The ABCC is targetted specifically at a highly corrupt area. The refusal to pass it because they dont get their own way is childish. it is not dissimilar to the GReens voting down the ETS coz they didnt get what they wanted and now 7 years later they still have nothing. The ABCC is ready to get up and going now. Anything else would take years to sort out and get going. POlitical grandstanding by foolish indies trying to get noticed.  Instead, they will get the sack.

Rubbish.  A competent draftsman could alter it to encompass all corruption with a few key board hits.  30 minutes work, maximum.

You do want all corrution sorted don't you?

Swagman wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 3:14pm:

The Opposition supporting union corruption.........A G A I N What's news?

They have said many times over that they do not support Union corruption at all.  Why do you lie so blatantly?

It would only need a minor amendment I would have thought to extend the coverage to all types of corruption.

All is needed is awill to do so and Both Labor and Turdbull are frightened of stuff like in NSW coming out!

Its a bloody disgrace

We really need Citizen Initiated Referendums as well, to get these bastards off their arses!

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 3:35pm:

Swagman wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 3:14pm: The Opposition supporting union corruption.........A G A I N What's news? Swaggy doesn't know how the stockmarket works  :D :D :D :D

....buy low....sell high

Aussie wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 3:40pm:

Swagman wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 3:14pm: The Opposition supporting union corruption.........A G A I N What's news? They have said many times over that they do not support Union corruption at all.  Why do you lie so blatantly?

......collectivism is corruption.  Labor support collectivism.

Swagman wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 3:57pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 3:40pm: Swagman wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 3:14pm: The Opposition supporting union corruption.........A G A I N What's news? They have said many times over that they do not support Union corruption at all.  Why do you lie so blatantly? ......collectivism is corruption.  Labor support collectivism.

Really.  Link?

Swagman wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 3:56pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 3:35pm: Swagman wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 3:14pm: The Opposition supporting union corruption.........A G A I N What's news? Swaggy doesn't know how the stockmarket works  :D :D :D :D ....buy low....sell high

...how do you do that when it's impossible to pick the top and bottom of the market?

;) ;) ;)

Aussie wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 3:38pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 3:32pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 2:22pm: Waddyareckon?  Has Turdfull misgambled here?  How can successfully get around this position. "Sure, Turdfull, there is corrupt conduct within Unions which needs to be dealt with.  We support that....just change your proposed legislation to include corruption everywhere, and we support your Bill. You do want to deal with corruption wherever it is, don't you, Mal?  Let's work together on this." He can be so easily put between a rock and hard place over this, and I reckon it is a another political blunder just like his double taxation proposal. People are not stupid.  The ABCC is targetted specifically at a highly corrupt area. The refusal to pass it because they dont get their own way is childish. it is not dissimilar to the GReens voting down the ETS coz they didnt get what they wanted and now 7 years later they still have nothing. The ABCC is ready to get up and going now. Anything else would take years to sort out and get going. POlitical grandstanding by foolish indies trying to get noticed.  Instead, they will get the sack. Rubbish.  A competent draftsman could alter it to encompass all corruption with a few key board hits.  30 minutes work, maximum. You do want all corrution sorted don't you?

some lawyer you must have been.  30 mins to redraft legislation?  BTW I was actually referring to a physical organisation. the ABCC previously existed but the unions got rid of it via the ALP - a curious thing in its own right.  You think you can build a working ICAC fromt he ground up overnight?

Aussie wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 3:40pm:

Swagman wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 3:14pm: The Opposition supporting union corruption.........A G A I N What's news? They have said many times over that they do not support Union corruption at all.  Why do you lie so blatantly?

how gullible are you?  IN WORDS, but in deeds they effectively look the other way. The BACC was removed by labor and nothing put in its place.

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 2:25pm:

The bloke is a joke: he will be remembered for his special hop and ending the Howard era joke!

Makes you wonder just how corrupt he is to have made millions whilst exercising such poor judgement

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 5:00pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 3:38pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 3:32pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 2:22pm: Waddyareckon?  Has Turdfull misgambled here?  How can successfully get around this position. "Sure, Turdfull, there is corrupt conduct within Unions which needs to be dealt with.  We support that....just change your proposed legislation to include corruption everywhere, and we support your Bill. You do want to deal with corruption wherever it is, don't you, Mal?  Let's work together on this." He can be so easily put between a rock and hard place over this, and I reckon it is a another political blunder just like his double taxation proposal. People are not stupid.  The ABCC is targetted specifically at a highly corrupt area. The refusal to pass it because they dont get their own way is childish. it is not dissimilar to the GReens voting down the ETS coz they didnt get what they wanted and now 7 years later they still have nothing. The ABCC is ready to get up and going now. Anything else would take years to sort out and get going. POlitical grandstanding by foolish indies trying to get noticed.  Instead, they will get the sack. Rubbish.  A competent draftsman could alter it to encompass all corruption with a few key board hits.  30 minutes work, maximum. You do want all corrution sorted don't you? some lawyer you must have been.  30 mins to redraft legislation?  BTW I was actually referring to a physical organisation. the ABCC previously existed but the unions got rid of it via the ALP - a curious thing in its own right.  You think you can build a working ICAC fromt he ground up overnight?

so you think they kept all that infrastructure in place for all these years just waiting for the libs to bring them back?  :D :D :D

Building ICAC won't take any longer than it'll take to build the ABCC.

John Smith wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 5:02pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 2:25pm: The bloke is a joke: he will be remembered for his special hop and ending the Howard era joke! Makes you wonder just how corrupt he is to have made millions whilst exercising such poor judgement

I dunno: i just know he's fubar!

Every single liberal voter is sick to death of the global embarrassment that is copper internet in the clever country that their family actually died for!

Worse, it's happening in the asian century we f'n built!

THE GLOBAL SHAME IS WHAT MAKES THE ABBOTT/TURNBULL GOVERNMENT DEADUS MEATUS!  :D :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 5:06pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 5:00pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 3:38pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 3:32pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 2:22pm: Waddyareckon?  Has Turdfull misgambled here?  How can successfully get around this position. "Sure, Turdfull, there is corrupt conduct within Unions which needs to be dealt with.  We support that....just change your proposed legislation to include corruption everywhere, and we support your Bill. You do want to deal with corruption wherever it is, don't you, Mal?  Let's work together on this." He can be so easily put between a rock and hard place over this, and I reckon it is a another political blunder just like his double taxation proposal. People are not stupid.  The ABCC is targetted specifically at a highly corrupt area. The refusal to pass it because they dont get their own way is childish. it is not dissimilar to the GReens voting down the ETS coz they didnt get what they wanted and now 7 years later they still have nothing. The ABCC is ready to get up and going now. Anything else would take years to sort out and get going. POlitical grandstanding by foolish indies trying to get noticed.  Instead, they will get the sack. Rubbish.  A competent draftsman could alter it to encompass all corruption with a few key board hits.  30 minutes work, maximum. You do want all corrution sorted don't you? some lawyer you must have been.  30 mins to redraft legislation?  BTW I was actually referring to a physical organisation. the ABCC previously existed but the unions got rid of it via the ALP - a curious thing in its own right.  You think you can build a working ICAC fromt he ground up overnight? so you think they kept all that infrastructure in place for all these years just waiting for the libs to bring them back?  :D :D :D Building ICAC won't take any longer than it'll take to build the ABCC.

sometimes your ignorance an naievte is astonishing.  It is as if no information is ever retained in your brain pan.

You do want all corruption sorted don't you, melieloingtime?

Aussie wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 5:16pm:

You do want all corruption sorted don't you, melieloingtime?

I do.  But the problem is that you dont. You arent following some ethical path here. the ABCC attacks the worst of the corrupt unions and for some reason, you dont want that.  the demand for the ICAC is no different to the Greens tanty over Rudds ETS.  You dont really want it at all. the structure and methodology of the ABCC is well established and effective - which is why the ALP dumped it.  When dealing with any problem you start by working at the worst examples and tackling them first. that way you get good results quickly. I think an ICAC is a good idea, but you dont. You simply oppose the ABCC because it is a Lib policy. Funnily enough, the ICAC is nobody's policy at all.

Don't you want building union corruption, intimidation and thuggery eliminated? so why oppose something that has a record of acheiveing exactly that.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 5:28pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 5:16pm: You do want all corruption sorted don't you, melieloingtime? I do.  But the problem is that you dont. You arent following some ethical path here. the ABCC attacks the worst of the corrupt unions and for some reason, you dont want that.  the demand for the ICAC is no different to the Greens tanty over Rudds ETS.  You dont really want it at all. the structure and methodology of the ABCC is well established and effective - which is why the ALP dumped it.  When dealing with any problem you start by working at the worst examples and tackling them first. that way you get good results quickly. I think an ICAC is a good idea, but you dont. You simply oppose the ABCC because it is a Lib policy. Funnily enough, the ICAC is nobody's policy at all. Don't you want building union corruption, intimidation and thuggery eliminated? so why oppose something that has a record of acheiveing exactly that.

How do you know union corruption is worse than any other corruption?

:o

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 5:28pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 5:16pm: You do want all corruption sorted don't you, melieloingtime? I do.  But the problem is that you dont. You arent following some ethical path here. the ABCC attacks the worst of the corrupt unions and for some reason, you dont want that.  the demand for the ICAC is no different to the Greens tanty over Rudds ETS.  You dont really want it at all. the structure and methodology of the ABCC is well established and effective - which is why the ALP dumped it.  When dealing with any problem you start by working at the worst examples and tackling them first. that way you get good results quickly. I think an ICAC is a good idea, but you dont. You simply oppose the ABCC because it is a Lib policy. Funnily enough, the ICAC is nobody's policy at all. Don't you want building union corruption, intimidation and thuggery eliminated? so why oppose something that has a record of acheiveing exactly that.

I do want that, and more...right now.  Nothing stops Turdfull from going after all corruption, yet he is not doing that.  Why is that so, when it is so easy to amend the proposed legislation to re-establish the ABCC (rename it and extend its powers?)

Why not?

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 5:13pm:

sometimes your ignorance an naievte is astonishing.  It is as if no information is ever retained in your brain pan.

bravo longie ... that'll convince everyone  :D :D :D :D

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 5:28pm:

Don't you want building union corruption, intimidation and thuggery eliminated? so why oppose something that has a record of acheiveing exactly that.

;D ;D ;D ;D

you probably believe that load of hogwash too!

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 5:01pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 3:40pm: Swagman wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 3:14pm: The Opposition supporting union corruption.........A G A I N What's news? They have said many times over that they do not support Union corruption at all.  Why do you lie so blatantly? how gullible are you?  IN WORDS, but in deeds they effectively look the other way. The BACC was removed by labor and nothing put in its place.

You talk the biggest load of BS, the fair work commission handles disputes and if you hadn't noticed the unions still cop massive fines for any industrial action outside of protected action , this has been happening  long after the ABCC disappeared .