But it appears you can't take her out of the bronze age.

So Ms Zia who came to Australia for what I can only imagine would be to gain the benefits of living in a free open secular society clings to her medieval belief system.

Not only that, she resorts to Islamism, using the laws  of her new country to change things to accommodate her hard line Islamic beliefs.

I have no problem if Ms Zia wishes to get around in a bee keepers suit, she can dress as B1, I could care less. But to use a tax payer funded facility then ask them to change their policy to accommodate her Islamic beliefs of a man not being able to see her 'aurat'?

I'd also love to know the exact details of the "significant conflict"? Was it an Afghan husband per chance who went all 'Talian' at the thought of another man seeing his wife's 'aurat'?


But lawyers say a "significant conflict" arose when she requested female-only care.

Ms Zia is Muslim and believes it is a sin to be touched by a man who is not her husband or close family.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-06/complaint-sparks-change-in-major-hospitals-female-only-care/6448386

Ban them.

Karnal wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 4:15pm:

Ban them.

Doctors? Who would be able to attend to your hemorrhoid?

GordyL wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 4:14pm:

I have no problem if Ms Zia wishes to get around in a bee keepers suit, she can dress as B1, I could care less.

I think we can safely say that you clearly do have a problem with it.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 4:53pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 4:14pm: I have no problem if Ms Zia wishes to get around in a bee keepers suit, she can dress as B1, I could care less. I think we can safely say that you clearly do have a problem with it.

Who has the bigger problem, me or the woman who demanded the system change to suit her bronze age dogma?

Turns out your ranting about "beekeeper suits" was just your invention.

So once we get passed your hysterics, the actual story turns out the story was rather mundane - a woman in a hospital requesting female-only handling - hardly the hallmarks of a radical/extremist.

GordyL wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 4:54pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 4:53pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 4:14pm: I have no problem if Ms Zia wishes to get around in a bee keepers suit, she can dress as B1, I could care less. I think we can safely say that you clearly do have a problem with it. Who has the bigger problem, me or the woman who demanded the system change to suit her bronze age dogma?

She's hardly demanding the system change by requesting female-only care. Get a grip gordy.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 4:54pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 4:53pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 4:14pm: I have no problem if Ms Zia wishes to get around in a bee keepers suit, she can dress as B1, I could care less. I think we can safely say that you clearly do have a problem with it. Who has the bigger problem, me or the woman who demanded the system change to suit her bronze age dogma? She's hardly demanding the system change by requesting female-only care. Get a grip gordy.

At the time she attended her appointment in a PUBLIC hospital system there was no provision to select a doctor of a gender of your choosing.
She took action which has changed policy. Why?

sexist muzzies.


Quote:

A major Melbourne hospital will give priority to requests for female-only care on cultural or personal grounds after a pregnant patient complained about treatment. Ziarata Zia lodged the complaint with Victoria's Civil and Administrative Tribunal (VCAT) after her visit to Monash Health in 2013. Ms Zia is Muslim and believes it is a sin to be touched by a man who is not her husband or close family. But lawyers say a "significant conflict" arose when she requested female-only care. The matter was settled, but it prompted a review of the hospital's policies by the Victorian Equal Opportunity and Human Rights Commission. As a result of the review, the hospital said it would now give priority to requests for a female doctor because of religious or cultural beliefs or past trauma. "We recognise that for cultural, religious or personal reasons a patient may ask to be seen by a carer of the same gender," Monash Women's director Professor Euan Wallace said. "We will try to accommodate these requests whenever possible." Professor Wallace said the hospital had been "clumsy" in communicating the choices on offer to its patients. "I think what's come out of the review is that some of that hasn't been as visible as we'd like it to have been to the women we care for," he said. "Essentially we're making the choices available to women more visible." In a statement, Ms Zia said she welcomed the hospital's policy rethink. "I'm not scared to ask for a female doctor anymore and I'm relieved that other women won't have the same experience I had," she said. Melanie Schleiger from Victoria Legal Aid said it took courage for Ms Zia to speak up. "This is a fantastic outcome, we're really pleased," she said. "I have a huge amount of respect for Ms Zia. "It took a tremendous amount of courage to make a complaint of discrimination and she was very keen to see the situation changed for the benefit of other people."

I would give them NO health care.

GordyL wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 7:05pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 6:34pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 4:54pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 4:53pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 4:14pm: I have no problem if Ms Zia wishes to get around in a bee keepers suit, she can dress as B1, I could care less. I think we can safely say that you clearly do have a problem with it. Who has the bigger problem, me or the woman who demanded the system change to suit her bronze age dogma? She's hardly demanding the system change by requesting female-only care. Get a grip gordy. At the time she attended her appointment in a PUBLIC hospital system there was no provision to select a doctor of a gender of your choosing. She took action which has changed policy. Why?

Yes, and judging by the response of the VEO and HRC, this was not typical or even expected hospital behaviour. I too would think its a fairly basic requirement for a hospital to cater for people who have cultural or personal requirements to be treated by a doctor of the same gender. Especially with something as sensitive as pregnancy matters.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/eQ87hBFrS_I/maxresdefault.jpg

Wow, a female patient demanding a female doctor for her intimate examinations... I'm sure that's never happened before ::)

FD’s up.for it - as a champion of women’s rights.

Deport them all!

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 9:52pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 7:05pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 6:34pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 4:54pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 4:53pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 4:14pm: I have no problem if Ms Zia wishes to get around in a bee keepers suit, she can dress as B1, I could care less. I think we can safely say that you clearly do have a problem with it. Who has the bigger problem, me or the woman who demanded the system change to suit her bronze age dogma? She's hardly demanding the system change by requesting female-only care. Get a grip gordy. At the time she attended her appointment in a PUBLIC hospital system there was no provision to select a doctor of a gender of your choosing. She took action which has changed policy. Why? Yes, and judging by the response of the VEO and HRC, this was not typical or even expected hospital behaviour. I too would think its a fairly basic requirement for a hospital to cater for people who have cultural or personal requirements to be treated by a doctor of the same gender. Especially with something as sensitive as pregnancy matters.

Gandalf, have you had a child through the public system?
An antenatal check up goes a bit like this.

Sit in a waiting room bursting with patients for about 2 hours and get the next OBGYN or midwife available.   
It's the public system, you get what you get and you don't get upset. Cost $0.00

If you want to choose your own OBGYN there are no end of alternatives outside of the public system.

GordyL wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 7:57am:

Gandalf, have you had a child through the public system? An antenatal check up goes a bit like this. Sit in a waiting room bursting with patients for about 2 hours and get the next OBGYN or midwife available.    It's the public system, you get what you get and you don't get upset. Cost $0.00

Actually I have. I've seen numerous pregnant women request a woman-only doctor for their checkup. Its never been a problem for the hospital we were at. Catering for this is standard - and indeed expected hospital practice - as both the HRC and the VEO seem to agree. The only reason this became a problem is that after the woman made a perfectly reasonable and normal request, the hospital seems to have kicked up a stink (not the woman as you dishonestly infer). The only story here is that we have a hospital not moving into the 21st century.

boxy wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 12:25am:

Wow, a female patient demanding a female doctor for her intimate examinations... I'm sure that's never happened before

This.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 8:41am:

GordyL wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 7:57am: Gandalf, have you had a child through the public system? An antenatal check up goes a bit like this. Sit in a waiting room bursting with patients for about 2 hours and get the next OBGYN or midwife available.    It's the public system, you get what you get and you don't get upset. Cost $0.00 Actually I have. I've seen numerous pregnant women request a woman-only doctor for their checkup. Its never been a problem for the hospital we were at. Catering for this is standard - and indeed expected hospital practice - as both the HRC and the VEO seem to agree. The only reason this became a problem is that after the woman made a perfectly reasonable and normal request, the hospital seems to have kicked up a stink (not the woman as you dishonestly infer). The only story here is that we have a hospital not moving into the 21st century.

What if there's no female OBGYN on duty? Oh and not moving into the 21st century to accommodate a broze age belief system..... ;D ;D ;D ;D

GordyL wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 8:51am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 8:41am: GordyL wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 7:57am: Gandalf, have you had a child through the public system? An antenatal check up goes a bit like this. Sit in a waiting room bursting with patients for about 2 hours and get the next OBGYN or midwife available.    It's the public system, you get what you get and you don't get upset. Cost $0.00 Actually I have. I've seen numerous pregnant women request a woman-only doctor for their checkup. Its never been a problem for the hospital we were at. Catering for this is standard - and indeed expected hospital practice - as both the HRC and the VEO seem to agree. The only reason this became a problem is that after the woman made a perfectly reasonable and normal request, the hospital seems to have kicked up a stink (not the woman as you dishonestly infer). The only story here is that we have a hospital not moving into the 21st century. What if there's no female OBGYN on duty? Oh and not moving into the 21st century to accommodate a broze age belief system..... ;D ;D ;D ;D

Well gee whiz gordy, maybe she'd have to come back another time.

If thinking its reasonable and proper for a hospital to have policies to cater for pregnant women who only want to see women doctors is a bronze age belief, then you are firmly set in the stone age.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 8:41am:

GordyL wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 7:57am: Gandalf, have you had a child through the public system? An antenatal check up goes a bit like this. Sit in a waiting room bursting with patients for about 2 hours and get the next OBGYN or midwife available.    It's the public system, you get what you get and you don't get upset. Cost $0.00 Actually I have. I've seen numerous pregnant women request a woman-only doctor for their checkup. Its never been a problem for the hospital we were at. Catering for this is standard - and indeed expected hospital practice - as both the HRC and the VEO seem to agree. The only reason this became a problem is that after the woman made a perfectly reasonable and normal request, the hospital seems to have kicked up a stink (not the woman as you dishonestly infer). The only story here is that we have a hospital not moving into the 21st century.

The stand they took was because there was no female OBGYN available. If you go to a public hospital do you really expect the roster to be adjusted to requirements which have no basis in Medicine?
Should the hospital only employ female OBGYN's to make sure this situation can never occur?

Also, despite your sister's attempts to have the law changed to suit her Islamic beliefs, they were not.

The hospital has only agreed to "give priority to requests for female-only care "

And I think that's perfectly reasonable.
When checking into the reception desk at the antenatal  clinic, oh I'd prefer a female if possible. Sure, no worries or sorry, none on today.

Are you cool with that?

GordyL wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:12am:

Also, despite your sister's attempts to have the law changed to suit her Islamic beliefs, they were not. The hospital has only agreed to "give priority to requests for female-only care " And I think that's perfectly reasonable. When checking into the reception desk at the antenatal  clinic, oh I'd prefer a female if possible. Sure, no worries or sorry, none on today. Are you cool with that?

LOL you literally have no point to make gordy.

The hospital policy absolutely was changed (not the law - no one is talking about that). As you say: "The hospital has only agreed to "give priority to requests for female-only care." Which as far as I can tell, was the whole issue to start with. And now you reveal that in fact you think "that's perfectly reasonable."  ;D

So what was your point in all this gordy? All this frothing at the mouth over something that you actually now claim is "perfectly reasonable". And you know what? This hideous 'bronze age' woman agrees with you:


Quote:

In a statement, Ms Zia said she welcomed the hospital's policy rethink.

Look, Gordy just doesn’t like Afghans, okay?

Or Persians, or Indians, or Chinks, or ooga-boogas, or -

Nothing to see here, okay? Go home.

Karnal wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 12:19pm:

Look, Gordy just doesn’t like Afghans, okay? Or Persians, or Indians, or Chinks, or ooga-boogas, or - Nothing to see here, okay? Go home.

Try to keep up, Karnal. I know your mind has been dulled from years playground duty, I actually dated a Persian Princess. Back to your overhead projector please.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 8:41am:

GordyL wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 7:57am: Gandalf, have you had a child through the public system? An antenatal check up goes a bit like this. Sit in a waiting room bursting with patients for about 2 hours and get the next OBGYN or midwife available.    It's the public system, you get what you get and you don't get upset. Cost $0.00 Actually I have. I've seen numerous pregnant women request a woman-only doctor for their checkup. Its never been a problem for the hospital we were at. Catering for this is standard - and indeed expected hospital practice - as both the HRC and the VEO seem to agree. The only reason this became a problem is that after the woman made a perfectly reasonable and normal request, the hospital seems to have kicked up a stink (not the woman as you dishonestly infer). The only story here is that we have a hospital not moving into the 21st century.

What an ar se about statement you make here.
The truth is that your evil cult expects our western hospitals to reverse out of the present and travel back to some other time.
Is that not the case? And if so, why dont those who want that go to a country where they do things that way.
Don't try to bugger with our culture.

The policy seems to have been changed from you get which ever doctor/midwife is available next to you can ask, and you may or may not be accommodated.

Would a woman who is so religiously devout that she wears a niqab, the second most restrictive religious attire after the burka, accept that requests are welcome but for operational reasons, can not always be accommodated?

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 12:29pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 8:41am: GordyL wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 7:57am: Gandalf, have you had a child through the public system? An antenatal check up goes a bit like this. Sit in a waiting room bursting with patients for about 2 hours and get the next OBGYN or midwife available.    It's the public system, you get what you get and you don't get upset. Cost $0.00 Actually I have. I've seen numerous pregnant women request a woman-only doctor for their checkup. Its never been a problem for the hospital we were at. Catering for this is standard - and indeed expected hospital practice - as both the HRC and the VEO seem to agree. The only reason this became a problem is that after the woman made a perfectly reasonable and normal request, the hospital seems to have kicked up a stink (not the woman as you dishonestly infer). The only story here is that we have a hospital not moving into the 21st century. What an ar se about statement you make here. The truth is that your evil cult expects our western hospitals to reverse out of the present and travel back to some other time. Is that not the case? And if so, why dont those who want that go to a country where they do things that way. Don't try to bugger with our culture.

You mean our hospital proceedure culture?

Why shouldn’t a citizen who’s used said Hospital culture make recommendations to change it?

Why shouldn’t someone try to change our culture?

If I’m not mistaken, Bogie, you’ve been trying to change our culture yourself. You want to make it more, you know,.German.

Boges do you think its reasonable for the hospital to now "give priority to requests for female-only care".

Turns out gordy agreed with this all along.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 12:41pm:

Boges do you think its reasonable for the hospital to now "give priority to requests for female-only care". Turns out gordy agreed with this all along.

Request is fine. Demand is not. Do you agree?
Yes or no answer will be fine.

Now religion is creeping into the hospitals. Unbelievable!!!

Surely these people must have known that we do things differently in Australia when they applied to come here?

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 12:48pm:

Surely these people must have known that we do things differently in Australia when they applied to come here?

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if expect it to some extent, and then they are facilitated by accommodationists and enablers.

GordyL wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 12:43pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 12:41pm: Boges do you think its reasonable for the hospital to now "give priority to requests for female-only care". Turns out gordy agreed with this all along. Request is fine. Demand is not. Do you agree? Yes or no answer will be fine.

Of course gordy. Isn't it funny how your entire hissy fit over this story is over some 'demand' that existed only in your imagination.

GordyL wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 12:50pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 12:48pm: Surely these people must have known that we do things differently in Australia when they applied to come here? Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if expect it to some extent, and then they are facilitated by accommodationists and enablers.

very true gordy.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 12:51pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 12:43pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 12:41pm: Boges do you think its reasonable for the hospital to now "give priority to requests for female-only care". Turns out gordy agreed with this all along. Request is fine. Demand is not. Do you agree? Yes or no answer will be fine. Of course gordy. Isn't it funny how your entire hissy fit over this story is over some 'demand' that existed only in your imagination.

So Gandalf, hypothetically,

If a woman who's so devoted she wears a burqa/niqab politely asks for a female doctor and is politely denied due to operational reasons, would she leave it like that and say, no worries and accept a male doctor?

What do you think would happen next?

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 12:44pm:

Now religion is creeping into the hospitals. Unbelievable!!!

I agree.

GordyL wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 12:50pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 12:48pm: Surely these people must have known that we do things differently in Australia when they applied to come here? Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if expect it to some extent, and then they are facilitated by accommodationists and enablers.

Who will, of course, be dealt with in the fullness of time.

When this happens, we’ll all be racist, no?

Karnal wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 1:59pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 12:50pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 12:48pm: Surely these people must have known that we do things differently in Australia when they applied to come here? Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if expect it to some extent, and then they are facilitated by accommodationists and enablers. Who will, of course, be dealt with in the fullness of time. When this happens, we’ll all be racist, no?

I'll grant you clemency and forgiveness, Karnal.
You obviously have Stockholm Syndrome and PTSD from the Muzlam violence in Western Sydney schools.   :'(

GordyL wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 1:09pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 12:51pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 12:43pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 12:41pm: Boges do you think its reasonable for the hospital to now "give priority to requests for female-only care". Turns out gordy agreed with this all along. Request is fine. Demand is not. Do you agree? Yes or no answer will be fine. Of course gordy. Isn't it funny how your entire hissy fit over this story is over some 'demand' that existed only in your imagination. So Gandalf, hypothetically, If a woman who's so devoted she wears a burqa/niqab politely asks for a female doctor and is politely denied due to operational reasons, would she leave it like that and say, no worries and accept a male doctor? What do you think would happen next?

LOL you have no shame gordy!

Who said anything about what she was wearing? Where the hell did you get this idea about an imaginary burqa/niqab??

This entire thread is just you making crap up.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 3:51pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 1:09pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 12:51pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 12:43pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 12:41pm: Boges do you think its reasonable for the hospital to now "give priority to requests for female-only care". Turns out gordy agreed with this all along. Request is fine. Demand is not. Do you agree? Yes or no answer will be fine. Of course gordy. Isn't it funny how your entire hissy fit over this story is over some 'demand' that existed only in your imagination. So Gandalf, hypothetically, If a woman who's so devoted she wears a burqa/niqab politely asks for a female doctor and is politely denied due to operational reasons, would she leave it like that and say, no worries and accept a male doctor? What do you think would happen next? LOL you have no shame gordy! Who said anything about what she was wearing? Where the hell did you get this idea about an imaginary burqa/niqab?? This entire thread is just you making crap up.

One of Victoria's largest hospitals will change its policy on female-only care after a Muslim patient wearing a full-length niqab complained of discrimination during an antenatal visit at one of its clinics.

For Ziarata Zia, the niqab she wears – which reveals only her eyes, hands and feet – is central to her Muslim faith.

http://m.theage.com.au/victoria/monash-hospital-agrees-to-femaleonly-doctor-requests-after-complaint-20150505-ggukq9.html

So does that mean a non muslim woman can reject being touched by a male muslim doctor??

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 4:53pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 4:14pm: I have no problem if Ms Zia wishes to get around in a bee keepers suit, she can dress as B1, I could care less. I think we can safely say that you clearly do have a problem with it.

Indeed.

And he removed all doubt when he said "I could care less".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om7O0MFkmpw

GordyL wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 2:02pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 1:59pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 12:50pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 12:48pm: Surely these people must have known that we do things differently in Australia when they applied to come here? Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if expect it to some extent, and then they are facilitated by accommodationists and enablers. Who will, of course, be dealt with in the fullness of time. When this happens, we’ll all be racist, no? I'll grant you clemency and forgiveness, Karnal. You obviously have Stockholm Syndrome and PTSD from the Muzlam violence in Western Sydney schools.   :'(

I taught at a few schools, all public. Afghans, Arabs, Iranians - they were all pretty tough.

But do you know? The most polite and studious ones were the religious Muslims. Girls in hijabs. Boys with their heads stuck in books.

Their parents of those students valued education highly. They weren't too different from the Chinks and Curries we've discussed.

Karnal wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:27pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 2:02pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 1:59pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 12:50pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 12:48pm: Surely these people must have known that we do things differently in Australia when they applied to come here? Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if expect it to some extent, and then they are facilitated by accommodationists and enablers. Who will, of course, be dealt with in the fullness of time. When this happens, we’ll all be racist, no? I'll grant you clemency and forgiveness, Karnal. You obviously have Stockholm Syndrome and PTSD from the Muzlam violence in Western Sydney schools.   :'( I taught at a few schools, all public. Afghans, Arabs, Iranians - they were all pretty tough. But do you know? The most polite and studious ones were the religious Muslims. Girls in hijabs. Boys with their heads stuck in books. Their parents of those students valued education highly. They weren't too different from the Chinks and Curries we've discussed.

Did you teach any of those out of control lebbo muslim boys from Lakemba High honey bunny?

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:02pm:

So does that mean a non muslim woman can reject being touched by a male muslim doctor??

Of course.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:33pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:02pm: So does that mean a non muslim woman can reject being touched by a male muslim doctor?? Of course.

So where does it end?

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:33pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:02pm: So does that mean a non muslim woman can reject being touched by a male muslim doctor?? Of course. So where does it end?

What are you worried about?

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:33pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:02pm: So does that mean a non muslim woman can reject being touched by a male muslim doctor?? Of course. So where does it end?

Oh, I'd say it ends with people pretending they have Pakistani neighbours.

Or maybe it's just the beginning.

Karnal wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:37pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:34pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:33pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:02pm: So does that mean a non muslim woman can reject being touched by a male muslim doctor?? Of course. So where does it end? Oh, I'd say it ends with people pretending they have Pakistani neighbours. Or maybe it's just the beginning.

Why would I lie about having Pakistani neighbours love nuts? It's nothing to gloat about. His property looks like a 3rd world craphole.

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:37pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:34pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:33pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:02pm: So does that mean a non muslim woman can reject being touched by a male muslim doctor?? Of course. So where does it end? Oh, I'd say it ends with people pretending they have Pakistani neighbours. Or maybe it's just the beginning. Why would I lie about having Pakistani neighbours love nuts?

The only reason I can think of is you want to prove your "Western Sydney" credentials. You know, you went to school with a boong, there's a mosque in the next suburb, and your neighbour's a dirty Tree-lopping Paki.

Am I right?

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:38pm:

His property looks like a 3rd world craphole.

Ah, so they do blend in.

Karnal wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:42pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:38pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:37pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:34pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:33pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:02pm: So does that mean a non muslim woman can reject being touched by a male muslim doctor?? Of course. So where does it end? Oh, I'd say it ends with people pretending they have Pakistani neighbours. Or maybe it's just the beginning. Why would I lie about having Pakistani neighbours love nuts? The only reason I can think of is you want to prove your "Western Sydney" credentials. You know, you went to school with a boong, there's a mosque in the next suburb, and your neighbour's a dirty Tree-lopping Paki. Am I right?

Nope. I'd rather live with aussies. Except for my Vietnamese neighbours. They are great people. It's just a fact that I'm live in a very multicultural suburb with 2 mosques within a couple of kms of my house. I didn't put them there jism bucket.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:44pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:38pm: His property looks like a 3rd world craphole. Ah, so they do blend in.

He certainly wouldn't blend into you urban white professional yuppie enclave. I live in the real world.

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:45pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:42pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:38pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:37pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:34pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:33pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:02pm: So does that mean a non muslim woman can reject being touched by a male muslim doctor?? Of course. So where does it end? Oh, I'd say it ends with people pretending they have Pakistani neighbours. Or maybe it's just the beginning. Why would I lie about having Pakistani neighbours love nuts? The only reason I can think of is you want to prove your "Western Sydney" credentials. You know, you went to school with a boong, there's a mosque in the next suburb, and your neighbour's a dirty Tree-lopping Paki. Am I right? Nope. I'd rather live with aussies. Except for my Vietnamese neighbours. They are great people. It's just a fact that I'm live in a very multicultural suburb with 2 mosques within a couple of kms of my house. I didn't put them there jism bucket.

Very multicultural?

How many different cultures, Homo?

I bet it's not as multicultural as my suburb.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:47pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:45pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:42pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:38pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:37pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:34pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:33pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:02pm: So does that mean a non muslim woman can reject being touched by a male muslim doctor?? Of course. So where does it end? Oh, I'd say it ends with people pretending they have Pakistani neighbours. Or maybe it's just the beginning. Why would I lie about having Pakistani neighbours love nuts? The only reason I can think of is you want to prove your "Western Sydney" credentials. You know, you went to school with a boong, there's a mosque in the next suburb, and your neighbour's a dirty Tree-lopping Paki. Am I right? Nope. I'd rather live with aussies. Except for my Vietnamese neighbours. They are great people. It's just a fact that I'm live in a very multicultural suburb with 2 mosques within a couple of kms of my house. I didn't put them there jism bucket. Very multicultural? How many different cultures, Homo? I bet it's not as multicultural as my suburb.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:47pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:45pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:42pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:38pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:37pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:34pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:33pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:02pm: So does that mean a non muslim woman can reject being touched by a male muslim doctor?? Of course. So where does it end? Oh, I'd say it ends with people pretending they have Pakistani neighbours. Or maybe it's just the beginning. Why would I lie about having Pakistani neighbours love nuts? The only reason I can think of is you want to prove your "Western Sydney" credentials. You know, you went to school with a boong, there's a mosque in the next suburb, and your neighbour's a dirty Tree-lopping Paki. Am I right? Nope. I'd rather live with aussies. Except for my Vietnamese neighbours. They are great people. It's just a fact that I'm live in a very multicultural suburb with 2 mosques within a couple of kms of my house. I didn't put them there jism bucket. Very multicultural? How many different cultures, Homo? I bet it's not as multicultural as my suburb. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

How many cultures, Homo?

What suburb is it?

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:33pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:02pm: So does that mean a non muslim woman can reject being touched by a male muslim doctor?? Of course. So where does it end?

What is it that worries you?

You haven't told us yet.

Where do you think it's going to end?

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:45pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:42pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:38pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:37pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:34pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:33pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 4:02pm: So does that mean a non muslim woman can reject being touched by a male muslim doctor?? Of course. So where does it end? Oh, I'd say it ends with people pretending they have Pakistani neighbours. Or maybe it's just the beginning. Why would I lie about having Pakistani neighbours love nuts? The only reason I can think of is you want to prove your "Western Sydney" credentials. You know, you went to school with a boong, there's a mosque in the next suburb, and your neighbour's a dirty Tree-lopping Paki. Am I right? Nope. I'd rather live with aussies. Except for my Vietnamese neighbours.

I like my Vietnamese neighbours too, Homo. They're great at gardening. One Vietnamese man cycles around selling tomatoes and herbs from the garden, door to door.

You see? They do add to our respective communities. I'm glad we agree.

You even get deliveries of free goat meat at Eid, remember?

GordyL wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 3:56pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 3:51pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 1:09pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 12:51pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 12:43pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 12:41pm: Boges do you think its reasonable for the hospital to now "give priority to requests for female-only care". Turns out gordy agreed with this all along. Request is fine. Demand is not. Do you agree? Yes or no answer will be fine. Of course gordy. Isn't it funny how your entire hissy fit over this story is over some 'demand' that existed only in your imagination. So Gandalf, hypothetically, If a woman who's so devoted she wears a burqa/niqab politely asks for a female doctor and is politely denied due to operational reasons, would she leave it like that and say, no worries and accept a male doctor? What do you think would happen next? LOL you have no shame gordy! Who said anything about what she was wearing? Where the hell did you get this idea about an imaginary burqa/niqab?? This entire thread is just you making crap up. One of Victoria's largest hospitals will change its policy on female-only care after a Muslim patient wearing a full-length niqab complained of discrimination during an antenatal visit at one of its clinics. For Ziarata Zia, the niqab she wears – which reveals only her eyes, hands and feet – is central to her Muslim faith. http://m.theage.com.au/victoria/monash-hospital-agrees-to-femaleonly-doctor-requests-after-complaint-20150505-ggukq9.html

Gandy?

GordyL wrote on Apr 10^th, 2016 at 8:18am:

GordyL wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 3:56pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 3:51pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 1:09pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 12:51pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 12:43pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 12:41pm: Boges do you think its reasonable for the hospital to now "give priority to requests for female-only care". Turns out gordy agreed with this all along. Request is fine. Demand is not. Do you agree? Yes or no answer will be fine. Of course gordy. Isn't it funny how your entire hissy fit over this story is over some 'demand' that existed only in your imagination. So Gandalf, hypothetically, If a woman who's so devoted she wears a burqa/niqab politely asks for a female doctor and is politely denied due to operational reasons, would she leave it like that and say, no worries and accept a male doctor? What do you think would happen next? LOL you have no shame gordy! Who said anything about what she was wearing? Where the hell did you get this idea about an imaginary burqa/niqab?? This entire thread is just you making crap up. One of Victoria's largest hospitals will change its policy on female-only care after a Muslim patient wearing a full-length niqab complained of discrimination during an antenatal visit at one of its clinics. For Ziarata Zia, the niqab she wears – which reveals only her eyes, hands and feet – is central to her Muslim faith. http://m.theage.com.au/victoria/monash-hospital-agrees-to-femaleonly-doctor-requests-after-complaint-20150505-ggukq9.html Gandy?

Fair enough then. Although you were referencing an article that was never quoted until now.

More importantly though, your claim that she "demanded" a female  doctor is confected. The sad truth about this thread is she did nothing more than ask for what you now concede is something that is "perfectly reasonable"

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 10^th, 2016 at 9:33am:

GordyL wrote on Apr 10th, 2016 at 8:18am: GordyL wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 3:56pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 3:51pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 1:09pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 12:51pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 12:43pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9th, 2016 at 12:41pm: Boges do you think its reasonable for the hospital to now "give priority to requests for female-only care". Turns out gordy agreed with this all along. Request is fine. Demand is not. Do you agree? Yes or no answer will be fine. Of course gordy. Isn't it funny how your entire hissy fit over this story is over some 'demand' that existed only in your imagination. So Gandalf, hypothetically, If a woman who's so devoted she wears a burqa/niqab politely asks for a female doctor and is politely denied due to operational reasons, would she leave it like that and say, no worries and accept a male doctor? What do you think would happen next? LOL you have no shame gordy! Who said anything about what she was wearing? Where the hell did you get this idea about an imaginary burqa/niqab?? This entire thread is just you making crap up. One of Victoria's largest hospitals will change its policy on female-only care after a Muslim patient wearing a full-length niqab complained of discrimination during an antenatal visit at one of its clinics. For Ziarata Zia, the niqab she wears – which reveals only her eyes, hands and feet – is central to her Muslim faith. http://m.theage.com.au/victoria/monash-hospital-agrees-to-femaleonly-doctor-requests-after-complaint-20150505-ggukq9.html Gandy? Fair enough then. Although you were referencing an article that was never quoted until now. More importantly though, your claim that she "demanded" a female  doctor is confected. The sad truth about this thread is she did nothing more than ask for what you now concede is something that is "perfectly reasonable"

This bit:  Two years ago, a significant conflict arose during Ms Zia's antenatal consultation at a Monash clinic


In my experience, hospital staff, particular in emergency centers can be very 'matter of fact' and seem uncaring due to the huge amount of stressed people they see.

Staff in birthing centers, not so much and they're not in the business of causing significant conflict

How do you think a particularly devout Afghan man would react to a male doctor seeing his niqab clad wife's gentiles?
Do you think he was the sourch of the significant conflict

Gee gordy, why don't you post the whole quote?

Two years ago, a significant conflict arose during Ms Zia's antenatal consultation at a Monash clinic because she requested a female doctor.

Particular emphasis on the word "requested". Could it be the case, heaven forbid, that the "significant conflict" was a case of hospital staff not taking too kindly to the request? Who knows, maybe they were particularly stressed that day, inexperienced, or just plain intolerant towards a woman in...how did you say? - oh yes, 'beekeeper outfit'. All possible, as indeed is your version - the difference with me is I'm not jumping to baseless conclusions because of an irrational prejudice.

But isn't this an interesting response from Ms Zia:


Quote:

"I'm not scared to ask for a female doctor anymore and I'm relieved that other women won't have the same experience I had," she said.

and this...


Quote:

Professor Wallace said the hospital had been "clumsy" in communicating the choices on offer to its patients.

"I'm not scared...anymore"... hmmm  - interesting choice of words for someone supposedly going around making demands no? Could that possibly suggest she received a less-than-understanding response when she made the request, and maybe that was the cause of the "significant conflict" ?

Also, lets talk about that 'taliban' husband...
- Did the horrible mysoginistic husband create a scene? - No, you just made that up
- Was the horrible mysoginistic husband even involved? - No that is just your baseless assumption
- Is the husband horrible and mysoginistic? No, thats just your prejudiced stereotype


Amazing how you can turn what you, me, the Victorian Equal Opportunity and Human Rights Commission, and it seems the rest of civilized humanity all agree was a request that was "perfectly reasonable" - and should have been an available option at the time - into a rant about sinister 'taliban' muslims and their 'bronze age' views, attempting to change our way of life.

Significant conflict, dude. Significant conflict.

Quote:

- Did the horrible mysoginistic husband create a scene? - No, you just made that up - Was the horrible mysoginistic husband even involved? - No that is just your baseless assumption - Is the husband horrible and mysoginistic? No, thats just your prejudiced stereotype

Gordy. Dear o dear o dear.    ::)

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 10^th, 2016 at 3:00pm:

Quote: - Did the horrible mysoginistic husband create a scene? - No, you just made that up - Was the horrible mysoginistic husband even involved? - No that is just your baseless assumption - Is the husband horrible and mysoginistic? No, thats just your prejudiced stereotype Gordy. Dear o dear o dear.    ::)

Yeah, midwives and OBGYNs are known for picking fights.
Giggle!!

GordyL wrote on Apr 10^th, 2016 at 3:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 10th, 2016 at 3:00pm: Quote: - Did the horrible mysoginistic husband create a scene? - No, you just made that up - Was the horrible mysoginistic husband even involved? - No that is just your baseless assumption - Is the husband horrible and mysoginistic? No, thats just your prejudiced stereotype Gordy. Dear o dear o dear.    ::) Yeah, midwives and OBGYNs are known for picking fights. Giggle!!

If you keep making up lies at this rate, you'll soon overtake Armpit, Longy, and ian.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 10^th, 2016 at 3:35pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 10th, 2016 at 3:34pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 10th, 2016 at 3:00pm: Quote: - Did the horrible mysoginistic husband create a scene? - No, you just made that up - Was the horrible mysoginistic husband even involved? - No that is just your baseless assumption - Is the husband horrible and mysoginistic? No, thats just your prejudiced stereotype Gordy. Dear o dear o dear.    ::) Yeah, midwives and OBGYNs are known for picking fights. Giggle!! If you keep making up lies at this rate, you'll soon overtake Armpit, Longy, and ian.

Who do you think instigated the
Significant conflict

Occam's razor has the money on,,,,,, ;)

Definitions.

White Australian beating a woman......... criminal woman beater.

Jewish man beating a woman..... Criminal woman beater.

Buddist man beating a woman..... Criminal woman beater.

Muslem man beating a woman....... foreplay or she asked for it.

GordyL wrote on Apr 10^th, 2016 at 4:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 10th, 2016 at 3:35pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 10th, 2016 at 3:34pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 10th, 2016 at 3:00pm: Quote: - Did the horrible mysoginistic husband create a scene? - No, you just made that up - Was the horrible mysoginistic husband even involved? - No that is just your baseless assumption - Is the husband horrible and mysoginistic? No, thats just your prejudiced stereotype Gordy. Dear o dear o dear.    ::) Yeah, midwives and OBGYNs are known for picking fights. Giggle!! If you keep making up lies at this rate, you'll soon overtake Armpit, Longy, and ian. Who do you think instigated the Significant conflict Occam's razor has the money on,,,,,, ;)

We don't even know what the 'significant conflict' actually involved.

Yet, here you are making up stories about who started it and what exactly happened.

You'll never beat ian when it comes to lying, but you're giving it a red hot try, I'll give you that.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 10^th, 2016 at 5:15pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 10th, 2016 at 4:38pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 10th, 2016 at 3:35pm: GordyL wrote on Apr 10th, 2016 at 3:34pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 10th, 2016 at 3:00pm: Quote: - Did the horrible mysoginistic husband create a scene? - No, you just made that up - Was the horrible mysoginistic husband even involved? - No that is just your baseless assumption - Is the husband horrible and mysoginistic? No, thats just your prejudiced stereotype Gordy. Dear o dear o dear.    ::) Yeah, midwives and OBGYNs are known for picking fights. Giggle!! If you keep making up lies at this rate, you'll soon overtake Armpit, Longy, and ian. Who do you think instigated the Significant conflict Occam's razor has the money on,,,,,, ;) We don't even know what the 'significant conflict' actually involved. Yet, here you are making up stories about who started it and what exactly happened. You'll never beat ian when it comes to lying, but you're giving it a red hot try, I'll give you that.

I guess it was something significant ?
Look, if we're talking Porkys strip club with a Samoan bouncer its even money but we're talking midwifes and doctors here  :D

GordyL wrote on Apr 10^th, 2016 at 4:38pm:

Occam's razor has the money on,,,,,, ;)

anti-muslim prejudice.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 10^th, 2016 at 7:13pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 10th, 2016 at 4:38pm: Occam's razor has the money on,,,,,, ;) anti-muslim prejudice.

Or sexist patients?

Are you cranky because you got all hot under the burqa when you thought I lied about the niqab?

GordyL wrote on Apr 10^th, 2016 at 3:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 10th, 2016 at 3:00pm: Quote: - Did the horrible mysoginistic husband create a scene? - No, you just made that up - Was the horrible mysoginistic husband even involved? - No that is just your baseless assumption - Is the husband horrible and mysoginistic? No, thats just your prejudiced stereotype Gordy. Dear o dear o dear.    ::) Yeah, midwives and OBGYNs are known for picking fights. Giggle!!

Midwives are the biggest ballbusters in the health system - followed closely by hospital administrators.

Ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated?

Karnal wrote on Apr 10^th, 2016 at 9:26pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 10th, 2016 at 3:34pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 10th, 2016 at 3:00pm: Quote: - Did the horrible mysoginistic husband create a scene? - No, you just made that up - Was the horrible mysoginistic husband even involved? - No that is just your baseless assumption - Is the husband horrible and mysoginistic? No, thats just your prejudiced stereotype Gordy. Dear o dear o dear.    ::) Yeah, midwives and OBGYNs are known for picking fights. Giggle!! Midwives are the biggest ballbusters in the health system - followed closely by hospital administrators. Ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated?

I thought they busted parts of the female anatomy  ;D ;D

Karnal wrote on Apr 10^th, 2016 at 9:26pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 10th, 2016 at 3:34pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 10th, 2016 at 3:00pm: Quote: - Did the horrible mysoginistic husband create a scene? - No, you just made that up - Was the horrible mysoginistic husband even involved? - No that is just your baseless assumption - Is the husband horrible and mysoginistic? No, thats just your prejudiced stereotype Gordy. Dear o dear o dear.    ::) Yeah, midwives and OBGYNs are known for picking fights. Giggle!! Midwives are the biggest ballbusters in the health system - followed closely by hospital administrators. Ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated?

I know they're hard heads but they escalate things proportionally, and Afghan men are world redounded for their flexibility when it comes to women's issues.

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