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Title: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 4:00pm

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-12/led-zeppelin's-plant,-page-to-face-stairway-to-heaven-trial/7318612

Led Zeppelin's Robert Plant, Jimmy Page to face Stairway to Heaven copyright trial

PHOTO: Lead singer Robert Plant (L) and guitarist Jimmy Page of the British rock band Led Zeppelin will face a US jury trial next month. (Reuters: Carlo Allegri/Hans Deryk)

Led Zeppelin's lead singer Robert Plant and guitarist Jimmy Page will face a US jury trial next month over whether they stole the opening chords for their 1971 hit Stairway to Heaven.

District Judge Gary Klausner ruled that Stairway and the 1967 instrumental Taurus by the band Spirit were similar enough to let a jury decide whether Plant and Page were liable for copyright infringement.

A trial is scheduled for May 10.

The lawsuit was brought by Michael Skidmore, a trustee for the late Randy Wolfe, also known as Randy California, who was Spirit's guitarist and the composer of Taurus.

Mr Skidmore said Page might have been inspired to write Stairway for Led Zeppelin after hearing Spirit perform Taurus while the bands toured together in 1968 and 1969, but that Wolfe never got credit.

The defendants said Wolfe was a songwriter-for-hire who had no copyright claim, and that the chord progressions were so cliched they did not deserve copyright protection.

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VIDEO: Compare Taurus by Spirit and Stairway to Heaven by Led Zeppelin (ABC News)
But the judge said a jury could find "substantial" similarity between the first two minutes of Stairway and Taurus, which he called "arguably the most recognisable and important segments" of the songs.

"While it is true that a descending chromatic four-chord progression is a common convention that abounds in the music industry, the similarities here transcend this core structure," Mr Klausner wrote.

"What remains is a subjective assessment of the 'concept and feel' of two works ... a task no more suitable for a judge than for a jury."

Mr Klausner dismissed claims against Led Zeppelin bassist John Paul Jones and Warner Music Group Corp.

He also said the trustee could get only 50 per cent of any damages awarded, citing a 1967 contract that Wolfe signed.

"This case, from our perspective, has always been about giving credit where credit was due, and now we get to right that wrong," Francis Malofiy, a lawyer for Mr Skidmore, said.

A lawyer for the defendants did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

According to the complaint, Wolfe complained about the similarities of the songs in an interview shortly before he drowned in 1997 in the Pacific Ocean while attempting to rescue his son.

Stairway to Heaven is a track on Led Zeppelin's untitled fourth studio album, often referred to as Led Zeppelin IV.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 4:08pm

This has been going on for years.

The similarities are there, sure.

Anyway, I'm more concerned about AC/DC releasing the exact same album under fifteen different titles for the last forty years. How do they get away with that?

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 4:11pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 4:08pm:

many blessings greggerypeccary

it figures

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by GordyL on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 4:15pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 4:08pm:

I doubt it's a direct rip off, there so many reoccurring themes in music.

Gotye is lucky no one can sue him over Baa Baa black sheep tho.

I'm surprised Bowie never got pinged for Over the Rainbow.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Bojack Horseman on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 4:17pm

Plus its a riff, is it possible to completely rip off a riff? Considering so many of them are alike

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 4:18pm

GordyL wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 4:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 4:08pm:

I doubt it's a direct rip off, there so many reoccurring themes in music.

Gotye is lucky no one can sue him over Baa Baa black sheep tho.

I'm surprised Bowie never got pinged for Over the Rainbow.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 4:20pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 4:17pm:

Plus its a riff, is it possible to completely rip off a riff? Considering so many of them are alike

Blues riffs, for example.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 4:22pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFHLO_2_THg

Spirit - Taurus

check mate led zep stole stairway to heaven and now

they shall give it back

perfect rip off

forgiven yet exposed

namaste

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 4:22pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 4:20pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 4:17pm:

Plus its a riff, is it possible to completely rip off a riff? Considering so many of them are alike

Blues riffs, for example.

they ripped or more than a riff

its total theft yet these blokes seemed pretty cool about it in those days

crikey though , imagine the royalties they would have to pay..

namaste

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Bojack Horseman on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 4:25pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 4:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 4:20pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 4:17pm:

Plus its a riff, is it possible to completely rip off a riff? Considering so many of them are alike

Blues riffs, for example.

they ripped or more than a riff

its total theft yet these blokes seemed pretty cool about it in those days

crikey though , imagine the royalties they would have to pay..

namaste

If it was total theft, the song would be a cover.

Even the riff is not a complete rip off.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 4:26pm

Mickey - Toni Basil

Kitty - Racey

:-/

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Sir Bobby on May 15^th, 2016 at 9:37am

Dear master Light,
you should listen to Dazed & Confused at 6:25

They put the song San Francisco (Be Sure to Wear Flowers in Your Hair) into their medley of other peoples songs.
Only you would care.
It's so different from the original & a heavy metal take on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQgYn23Xvck

Quote:

San Francisco (Be Sure to Wear Flowers in Your Hair)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"San Francisco (Be Sure To Wear Flowers In Your Hair)"
Single by Scott McKenzie
from the album The Voice of Scott McKenzie
B-side "What's The Difference"
Released May 13, 1967
Format 7" vinyl
Genre Psychedelic pop
Length 2:58
Label Columbia 2757 (UK and Canada)
Ode 103 (US)
Writer(s) John Phillips[1]
Producer(s) Lou Adler, John Phillips[1]
Scott McKenzie singles chronology
"No, No, No, No, No"
(1966) "San Francisco (Be Sure to Wear Flowers in Your Hair)"
(1967) "Look in Your Eyes"
(1967)

"San Francisco (Be Sure to Wear Flowers in Your Hair)" is an American pop music song, written by John Phillips of The Mamas & the Papas, and sung by Scott McKenzie.[2] The song was produced and released in May 1967 by Phillips and Lou Adler, who used it to promote their Monterey International Pop Music Festival held in June of that year.[3] John Phillips played guitar on the recording and session musician Gary L. Coleman played orchestra bells and chimes. The bass line of the song was supplied by session musician Joe Osborn. Hal Blaine played drums.

McKenzie's version of the song has been called "the unofficial anthem of the counterculture movement of the 1960s

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Jun 18^th, 2016 at 8:52pm

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/stairway-to-heavens-staggering-royalties/news-story/25a2d6eed85aa3049dba86fc2113b734

Stairway to Heaven’s staggering royalties

LED Zeppelin singer Robert Plant and guitarist Jimmy Page have made $A79.16 million over the years from Stairway to Heaven.

That’s according to an expert who has testified in Los Angeles in a trial over alleged copyright infringement by the band’s signature song.
The British rock band is accused of stealing the opening riff to its 1971 classic from a 1967 instrumental, Taurus, by the US band Spirit.
The lawsuit was brought by Michael Skidmore, a trustee for Randy Wolfe, the late guitarist of Spirit and composer of Taurus.
In federal court in Los Angeles on Friday, Skidmore’s lawyers called Michael Einhorn, an expert on music royalties, to testify about damages related to the case.
Einhorn said Plant and Page had made $A79.16 million in total as composers of Stairway to Heaven.
The lawsuit seeks a writing credit for Wolfe on the song and damages in an amount to be proven at trial.
The trial has been closely watched this week as Page, 72, and Plant, 67, attended court, both wearing suits with their long silver hair tied into ponytails.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Sir Bobby on Jun 18^th, 2016 at 9:01pm

Dear master Light,

If you're going to San Francisco Be Sure to Wear some Flowers in Your Hair.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Jun 18^th, 2016 at 9:15pm

singer Robert Plant and guitarist Jimmy Page will be made to pay for their theft of the stairway to heaven

she bought a stolen stairway .. more hoodwinkery from occultists and worshippers of crowley

whoa be unto them

forgiven yet exposed

namaste

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Mr Hammer on Jun 18^th, 2016 at 9:28pm

Master Light, you display your ignorance of music history. The use of an ascending baseline in B in a progression in A minor has been commonplace since the middle ages in Celtic folk. When compared in that sense, the progressions are quite different.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Sir Bobby on Jun 18^th, 2016 at 9:38pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Jun 18^th, 2016 at 9:15pm:

The trial is not over yet.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/music/ct-led-zeppelin-stairway-to-heaven-copyright-trial-20160616-story.html

forgiven

namaste

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Sir Bobby on Jun 18^th, 2016 at 9:42pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 18^th, 2016 at 9:28pm:

Yes - it's musical mathematics:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/plagiarism-lawsuit-jimmy-page-describes-869928

Led Zeppelin argues, "The similarity between 'Taurus' and 'Stairway' is limited to a descending chromatic scale of pitches resulting from 'broken' chords or arpeggios and which is so common in music it is called a minor line cliché... There is no substantial similarity in the works’ structures, which are markedly different. Neither is there any harmonic or melodic similarity beyond the unprotected descending line. Rather, straining to find something, the plaintiff’s expert argues that 'Stairway' and recordings of 'Taurus' have only five of the six chords in a centuries-old work — part of public domain material is still public domain material — and that both have the unprotected sequence of notes in a minor scale, A, B and C."

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by miketrees on Jun 18^th, 2016 at 9:44pm

"Stairway To Heaven"

There's a lady who's sure all that glitters is gold
And she's buying a stairway to heaven.
When she gets there she knows, if the stores are all closed
With a word she can get what she came for.
Ooh, ooh, and she's buying a stairway to heaven.

There's a sign on the wall but she wants to be sure
'Cause you know sometimes words have two meanings.
In a tree by the brook, there's a songbird who sings,
Sometimes all of our thoughts are misgiven.

Ooh, it makes me wonder,
Ooh, it makes me wonder.

There's a feeling I get when I look to the west,
And my spirit is crying for leaving.
In my thoughts I have seen rings of smoke through the trees,
And the voices of those who stand looking.

Ooh, it makes me wonder,
Ooh, it really makes me wonder.

And it's whispered that soon, if we all call the tune,
Then the piper will lead us to reason.
And a new day will dawn for those who stand long,
And the forests will echo with laughter.

If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't be alarmed now,
It's just a spring clean for the May queen.
Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run
There's still time to change the road you're on.
And it makes me wonder.

Your head is humming and it won't go, in case you don't know,
The piper's calling you to join him,
Dear lady, can you hear the wind blow, and did you know
Your stairway lies on the whispering wind?

And as we wind on down the road
Our shadows taller than our soul.
There walks a lady we all know
Who shines white light and wants to show
How everything still turns to gold.
And if you listen very hard
The tune will come to you at last.
When all are one and one is all
To be a rock and not to roll.

And she's buying a stairway to heaven.

I am still wondering about my bustling hedgerow

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Sir Bobby on Jun 18^th, 2016 at 10:25pm

Imagine how much pussy these guys got?

master Light is jealous.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 7:13am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFHLO_2_THg

Spirit - Taurus

check mate

led zep stole stairway to heaven

namaste

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by AiA on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 7:35am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8oGz0mxwks

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Lisa Jones on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 8:22am

How dare they steal the stairway to Heaven!

Anyone here know where they're hiding it?

Wonder if said stairway will be replaced by an elevator?

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Lisa Jones on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 8:26am

it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 4:22pm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFHLO_2_THg

Spirit - Taurus

check mate led zep stole stairway to heaven and now

they shall give it back

perfect rip off

forgiven yet exposed

namaste

I agree Bobby!

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Lisa Jones on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 8:28am

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 4:26pm:

Mickey - Toni Basil

Kitty - Racey

:-/

Yep...another example!

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Belgarion on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 9:56am

Hmmm......similar, but I don't think it sounds enough alike to be called a rip off :-?

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Sir Bobby on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 10:08am

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 8:26am:

it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 4:22pm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFHLO_2_THg

Spirit - Taurus

check mate led zep stole stairway to heaven and now

they shall give it back

perfect rip off

forgiven yet exposed

namaste

I agree Bobby!

Dear Lisa,
are you agreeing with me or master Light?

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by issuevoter on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 10:20am

I thought this would come up in the trial. If Zepp had not included the descending cadence as a intro, the comparisons would be rather slim. And I don't believe you can copyright a chord progression (harmonic structure). My Funny Valentine is a good example of similar chords.

" Another plaintiff expert, Alexander Stewart, a music professor at the University of Vermont, said he found five categories in which both songs had significant similarities, including a descending chord progression, notes lasting the same duration and a series of arpeggios and similar pairs of notes.
Chord progression
He said the descending chord progression and other elements have been found in songs dating back to the 1600s. But he testified that of more than 65 songs the defence has said have a similar construction, including My Funny Valentine, the Beatles’ Michelle and Chim Chim Cher-ee from the film Mary Poppins, none contained all five elements shared by Taurus and Stairway.
“Not one of them came close,” Mr Stewart said, though he acknowledged on cross-examination that the notes in both songs did not all line up in the same places."

My guess is that Zepp may have heard Taurus, and it was in the back of their minds, but like George Harrison's court case, I doubt they sat down and said this is a good tune, let's rip it off. Looking at their career, I don't see that tendency.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 10:56am

many blessings unto all beings

yet reality will be observed without ignorant and illogical conclusions by various pundits ,

the trial shall ensue regardless ..

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/apr/12/stairway-to-heavens-opening-chords-may-have-been-stolen-judge-says

Led Zeppelin's Stairway to Heaven may be partly stolen, judge says

‘Substantial’ similarities are enough to warrant a trial over whether Robert Plant and Jimmy Page lifted opening chords from Taurus by the band Spirit

Led Zeppelin’s lead singer Robert Plant and guitarist Jimmy Page must face a US jury trial over whether they stole opening chords for their 1971 classic Stairway to Heaven.

Stairway to Heaven: the story of a song and its legacy

In a decision on Friday, US district judge Gary Klausner in Los Angeles said the song and the 1967 instrumental Taurus by the band Spirit were similar enough to let a jury decide whether Plant and Page were liable for copyright infringement.

A trial is scheduled for 10 May.

The lawsuit was brought by Michael Skidmore, a trustee for the late Randy Wolfe, also known as Randy California, who was Spirit’s guitarist and the composer of Taurus.

https://youtu.be/UqqKKa9AJK4

Skidmore said Page may have been inspired to write Stairway to Heaven for Led Zeppelin after hearing Spirit perform Taurus while the bands toured together in 1968 and 1969, but that Wolfe never got credit.

The defendants said Wolfe was a songwriter-for-hire who had no copyright claim, and that the chord progressions were so clichéd that they did not deserve copyright protection.

But the judge said a jury could find “substantial” similarity between the first two minutes of Stairway to Heaven and Taurus, which he called “arguably the most recognizable and important segments” of the songs.

“While it is true that a descending chromatic four-chord progression is a common convention that abounds in the music industry, the similarities here transcend this core structure,” Klausner wrote. “What remains is a subjective assessment of the ‘concept and feel’ of two works ... a task no more suitable for a judge than for a jury.”

https://youtu.be/PCEg9gMJakU

Klausner dismissed claims against Led Zeppelin bassist John Paul Jones and Warner Music Group.

He also said the trustee could get only 50% of any damages awarded, citing a 1967 contract that Wolfe signed.

“This case, from our perspective, has always been about giving credit where credit was due, and now we get to right that wrong,” said Francis Malofiy, a lawyer for Skidmore.

A lawyer for the defendants did not immediately respond on Monday to requests for comment.

According to the complaint, Wolfe complained about the similarities of the songs in an interview shortly before he drowned in 1997 in the Pacific Ocean while attempting to rescue his son.

Stairway to Heaven is a track on Led Zeppelin’s untitled fourth studio album, often referred to as Led Zeppelin IV.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by miketrees on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 1:15pm

Just tried to post My Sweet Lord and He,s So Fine

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Sir Bobby on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 5:33pm

master Light is counting his chickens before the eggs have hatched.

The trial is not over yet.

forgiven

namaste

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Sir Bobby on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 5:33pm

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Sir Bobby on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 5:34pm

Imagine how much pussy these guys got?

master Light is jealous.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Sir Bobby on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 5:35pm

Dear master Light,

You are too far removed from your new age ideas.

If you're going to San Francisco Be Sure to Wear some Flowers in Your Hair.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by GordyL on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 6:52pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 5:35pm:

Dear master Light,

You are too far removed from your new age ideas.

If you're going to San Francisco Be Sure to Wear some Flowers in Your Hair.

Give him a punch in the nose till it starts to flow.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by issuevoter on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 2:00pm

I was never a Zepp fan. When their records first got air time, I thought they were a very second rate attempt at what Cream had done so imaginatively.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by greggerypeccary on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 2:23pm

issuevoter wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 2:00pm:

I was never a Zepp fan. When their records first got air time, I thought they were a very second rate attempt at what Cream had done so imaginatively.

The Jeff Beck Group did it better.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Bojack Horseman on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 2:44pm

issuevoter wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 2:00pm:

I was never a Zepp fan. When their records first got air time, I thought they were a very second rate attempt at what Cream had done so imaginatively.

Apart from the front man. And lets face it Baker was good, but Bonham...holy poo.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 4:24pm

issuevoter wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 2:00pm:

I was never a Zepp fan. When their records first got air time, I thought they were a very second rate attempt at what Cream had done so imaginatively.

many blessings and yes

this is true , and so when they stole this classic riff ,

which was not theirs

they catapulted to stardom as it were

and accepted the accolades in congruence with the applause and stature deserved

their rock god status is now exposed as a sham

and they will be made to pay compensation to the originators of the classic riff and chord progression

they are mere copycats like many are want to do and emulate

when they have no style or class of their own to contribute

forgiven yes , yet exposed

namaste

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Bojack Horseman on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 4:28pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 4:24pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 2:00pm:

I was never a Zepp fan. When their records first got air time, I thought they were a very second rate attempt at what Cream had done so imaginatively.

No style or class from Zep?

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Sir Bobby on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 4:52pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 4:24pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 2:00pm:

I was never a Zepp fan. When their records first got air time, I thought they were a very second rate attempt at what Cream had done so imaginatively.

Dear master Light,

doth ye denieth their rock god status ?

I'm interested

namaste

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 5:05pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 4:52pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 4:24pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 2:00pm:

I was never a Zepp fan. When their records first got air time, I thought they were a very second rate attempt at what Cream had done so imaginatively.

Dear master Light,

doth ye denieth their rock god status ?

I'm interested

namaste

many blessings sir bobby

the aforementioned rock god status is now dismissed and dissolved from the exposed and besmirched led zep

on account of blatant theft and the ensuing hoodwinkerismic and melodic undertones of deceit ..

which is in actuality perfection as their god they worshipped , (crowley) ,instructed them on these satanic principles

exposed with forgiveness

- : ) =

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Sir Bobby on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:41pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 5:05pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 4:52pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 4:24pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 2:00pm:

I was never a Zepp fan. When their records first got air time, I thought they were a very second rate attempt at what Cream had done so imaginatively.

Dear master Light,

doth ye denieth their rock god status ?

I'm interested

namaste

dear master Light,
ye are forgiven
for even St Peter thrice denied the Christ.

namaste

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by GordyL on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:55pm

Daughters room...good taste

20160620_180854-480x853.jpg (79 KB | )

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 7:02pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:41pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 5:05pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 4:52pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 4:24pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 2:00pm:

I was never a Zepp fan. When their records first got air time, I thought they were a very second rate attempt at what Cream had done so imaginatively.

Dear master Light,

doth ye denieth their rock god status ?

I'm interested

namaste

dear master Light,
ye are forgiven
for even St Peter thrice denied the Christ.

namaste

and yet , sir bobby

the christ never stole a stairway to heaven , and so

your equation in analogy with led zep to the christ

is too long a bow thou dost draweth .

forgiven for false idols in your rock god stupor

namaste

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Sir Bobby on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 7:38pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 7:02pm:

Dear master Light,

And the rock Gods never stole a stairway to heaven either.

Ye hath judged before the outcome of the trial.

this is forgiven

namaste

Quote:

Matthew 7 KJV

1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Sir Bobby on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 7:38pm

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by issuevoter on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:35pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 4:24pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 2:00pm:

I was never a Zepp fan. When their records first got air time, I thought they were a very second rate attempt at what Cream had done so imaginatively.

Look, Lightboy, you don't know what you are talking about. Stairway to Heaven is not riff based, (short repeating phrase) and you cannot copyright a chord progression (harmonic structure). If you could do that, you could sue every Jazz musician that ever made a record. The court case hinges on whether the two songs have the same melody. And no, you are not forgiven.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Sir Bobby on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 11:44pm

issuevoter wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:35pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 4:24pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 2:00pm:

I was never a Zepp fan. When their records first got air time, I thought they were a very second rate attempt at what Cream had done so imaginatively.

master Light doesn't understand music.
If you start with certain chords & progress down or up the scale then the only ones that work
form a natural progression.

It's mathematics & if you look at e.g. Jazz blues chords - you can learn the progressions in one night -
if you're a professional musician.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 6:38am

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/led-zeppelin-stairway-trial-gets-ugly-as-plaintiffs-rest-their-case-20160618

Led Zeppelin 'Stairway' Trial Gets Ugly as Plaintiffs Rest Their Case

John Paul Jones debunks longstanding myths, while the defense tries, and fails, for a "Gotcha!" moment

The Led Zeppelin "Stairway to Heaven" trial got ugly in its fourth day as the defense tried, and failed, for a "Gotcha!" moment. Mona Shafer Edwards

The surviving members of Led Zeppelin squashed one of the group's most established and enduring mythologies when the band's bassist/keyboardist/songwriter John Paul Jones took the stand in day four of the copyright infringement suit "Michael Skidmore vs. Led Zeppelin et al."

It was a rare public reunion for Jones and his former bandmates, Jimmy Page and Robert Plant, with Jones appearing as a witness to support Led Zeppelin's defense in the case involving similarities between Zep classic "Stairway to Heaven" and "Taurus," an instrumental composition from the Sixties-era rock band Spirit.

Apparently, the defense team had concluded no one on the jury is a loyal reader of Mojo: Jones' appearance served mainly to quash the narrative, faithfully recounted for nearly five decades, of how Page and Plant came back from the Bron-Yr-Aur cottage in the Welsh mountains with the beginnings of "Stairway to Heaven" to play to the rest of Led Zeppelin - a surprising assertion Page had also made under oath on Thursday.

In his cross-examination with the plaintiff's counsel Francis Malofiy, Jones was confronted with the playback of an audio recording of a 1972 BBC interview where he stated, "We were all in the country at Headley Grange when [Page and Plant] came back from the Welsh mountains with a guitar intro, verse and maybe more [of "Stairway to Heaven]." Under oath, Jones disputed the veracity of his earlier claims: "It sounded like I was guessing. I was guessing."

Jimmy Page Testifies as 'Stairway to Heaven' Trial Heats Up »

Jones was also grilled as to how Led Zeppelin came to play the Spirit song "Fresh-Garbage" - built largely around a prominent bass part - as part of the group's earliest live sets. "I forgot who introduced it - I can't remember," Jones testified. "It was a two-bar bass riff that popped out from somewhere. It was a catchy little riff, had an interesting time thing and it caught my ear. I didn't know where it was from."

Jones also claimed that he thought all of the cover songs played by Led Zeppelin in its famed early tour of Scandinavia billed as the "New Yardbirds" were "all Yardbirds songs." When asked if he'd ever seen Spirit live, he claimed that, in the late Sixties and Seventies before the composition and recording of "Stairway," he'd never "gone to any rock concerts, other than playing with Led Zeppelin."

Malofiy's cross examination of Jones also represented the end of the plaintiff's time to plead its case to the court, having used up all 10 hours allotted by the judge presiding over the federal civil trial, Gary Klausner. With several defense witnesses remaining on the docket - including, potentially, Page's co-defendant, Zeppelin frontman Robert Plant - Judge Klausner made an unusual exception: Malofiy would be allowed to cross-examine all of Led Zeppelin's witnesses for just 10 minutes each.

The numbers that came out of the testimony of Dr. Michael Einhorn, a Yale-educated economist who appeared as an expert witness for the plaintiff side, were also tantalizing. In his analysis, Einhorn revealed Page, Plant, Jones and the heirs of drummer John Bonham split £58.5 million across all 87 songs in the Zeppelin catalog in the three-year statutory period being hotly debated throughout the trial. However, Einhorn claimed the defense had not provided him with the "pro-rate technology" used to determine exactly how much of those monies came specifically from "Stairway" royalties.

"You don't have to play to the jury" was an admonishment Judge Klausner bestowed on both sides' counsel throughout the day's proceedings. But the most astonishing example of that strategy came not from the notoriously hotheaded Malofiy, but Led Zeppelin main counsel Peter Anderson, whose patrician white-shoe countenance has been a defining feature of his defense. During Anderson's cross-examination of the trial's plaintiff, Michael Skidmore - the trustee of "Taurus" songwriter Randy "California" Wolfe's estate - Anderson asked Skidmore if "it made a difference to [Wolfe's mother] Berenice Pearl if [Wolfe's only surviving heir] Quinn Wolfe [was cut out of receiving royalties] because he was the illegitimate son of Randy Wolfe?"

It was a "gotcha!" moment that backfired - more expected coming from, say, a trial in Game of Thrones or an old episode of Days of Our Lives. It provided perhaps the ugliest moment of a contentious trial, and was quickly ruled as legally inadmissible by Judge Klausner.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 6:39am

Another cynical moment from the defense occurred when, during the testimony of another expert witness - accomplished musician, musical director and producer Robert Mathes - Anderson requested the court play a 2012 video from the Kennedy Center Honors tribute segment to Led Zeppelin. Mathes - who's worked with everyone from Sting to Yo-Yo Ma - had been the musical director for this performance, a cover of "Stairway" by the rock group Heart featuring Jason Bonham on drums. The primary relevance of the video, however, seemed to be an attempt to impart the prestige of President Obama and the First Lady, who appeared in many audience reaction shots solemnly rocking out to "Stairway." Judge Klausner quickly put the kibosh on this gambit, ruling that only the audio portion of the song could be played to the jury.

As its primary expert witness testifying to the musical similarities between the Spirit and Led Zeppelin compositions, the defense called Dr. Lawrence Ferrara, a full professor of music and "director emeritus" at NYU and an esteemed musicologist with an impressive list of music-legend clients - Billy Joel, Paul McCartney, Elton John, Marc Anthony, Enrique Iglesias, Lady Gaga, Gloria Estefan, Bruce Springsteen, Brad Paisley, Jay Z, Usher, Dr. Dre, Kanye West, Eminem, Prince and James Brown among them.

On the stand, Ferrara made a sophisticated analysis as to why "Stairway to Heaven" did not plagiarize "Taurus." However, his academic approach proved confusing, and at times patronizing; when asked about his credentials, Ferrara bragged about owning all 29 editions of the Grove Dictionary of Music and stated, "I have authored or co-authored three books, one of which is in its fifth edition."

Ferrara's contribution to the case came off as more collegiate lecture than testimony, as he faced the jury directly while playing piano to demonstrate his analyses. Judge Klausner had to remind the defense more than once to move on to another question whenever Ferrara veered into topics unprovoked by inquiry. Ferrara proved testy and defensive in cross-examination by Malofiy - who raised an objection to his time on the stand as "pre-planned [and] not testimony." (Curiously, indeed, exhibits of evidence supplied by counsel would appear on video screens just as Ferrara was making points supported by them.)

Amusingly, Ferrara was almost interrupted at one point by a lookie-loo who had wandered into the courtroom with a Fender Stratocaster, likely hoping for an autograph from Page; said lookie-loo was quickly dispensed from the courtroom by a bailiff.

Ferrara's arguments proved most compelling - and potentially damning for the plaintiffs - when he played the sheet music for "Taurus" followed by a performance of the beginning of "Stairway to Heaven"; to the ear, his renditions did sound "dramatically different," as he noted repeatedly. Ferrara went on to play more "prior art" compositions with similar chromatic lines to "Taurus" and "Stairway" - demonstrating his point that the musical "building blocks" shared by them are not protectable intellectual property, but commonplace throughout music.

However, the similarities he demonstrated between "Stairway" and the Antônio Carlos Jobim composition "How Insensitive" and Richard Rodgers and Lorenz Hart's standard "My Funny Valentine" made it seem as if Jobim and the estates of Rodgers and Hart might want to call their attorneys.

As such, another example of "prior art" Ferrara invoked was the Modern Folk Quartet's 1963 version of the public-domain Appalachian folk traditional "To Catch a Shad." When Ferrara played the first part of "Stairway to Heaven" followed by "To Catch a Shad" on the piano, it proved one of the trial's most startling revelations yet: it was almost impossible to tell them apart - they sounded like the exact same song.

The tactic was intended to demonstrate the unoriginality and ordinariness of the musical techniques shared by "Taurus" and "Stairway" - that they can be found utilized in music compositions in many forms and genres going back hundreds of years. Instead, Ferrara's example may not have been received as intended. To some ears, it suggested another possibility - that Led Zeppelin had no qualms bogarting whole chunks of preexisting compositions in the songwriting process that led to "Stairway."

Jimmy Page faced an hours-long grilling on the second day of the "Stairway to Heaven" copyright infringement trial.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Bojack Horseman on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 9:29am

I think the amusing thing to remember is regardless of who wins, if a 15 yr old kid is going to download a song from iTunes looking fora classic is he going to downloaud Spirit or Stairway?

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Sir Bobby on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 5:13pm

dear master Light,

Judge not, that ye be not judged.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Aussie on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 4:31pm

Link.

Quote:

Led Zeppelin singer Robert Plant has denied stealing the opening of the rock group's iconic song Stairway to Heaven, telling a jury he wrote the anthem in the English countryside decades ago.
Key points:

Zeppelin singer tells jury Stairway was composed in English studio
Band's trial defence says chord pattern so "commonplace" it cannot be copyrighted
Estate of guitarist of US band Spirit could win millions in royalties

The 67-year-old musician told a Los Angeles federal court that the song at the centre of a copyright case was clearly his work, as well as that of Zeppelin guitarist-songwriter Jimmy Page.

The genesis of the song is a key element in the case as Page and Plant fight off accusations they stole the anthem's melancholy opening guitar arpeggio from Taurus, the first album of long-defunct US psychedelic rock band Spirit.

Plant testified that he wrote the lyrics more than 45 years ago while sitting by a fire at a recording and rehearsal studio in Britain.

He said he was inspired to write the lines after he heard Page play the opening notes of what would become one of the most famous rock songs of all time.

"That particular evening, I sat with Jimmy by the fire, and I had this first couplet that fit with what he was playing," he testified.

"I was really trying to bring the remote, pastoral Britain … the old, almost unspoken Celtic references into the piece."

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by GordyL on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 6:36pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 4:31pm:

Link.

Quote:

Source or are you plagiarizing?

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 8:08pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3653608/Robert-Plant-remember-watching-US-band-Led-Zeppelin-accused-copying.html

Led Zeppelin frontman Robert Plant 'can't remember' watching band who accuse him of stealing Stairway to Heaven riff

Led Zeppelin star Robert Plant told a court a serious car crash left him with memory loss
On the same night in 1970 he saw American band Spirit perform
He claims he can't remember the show at Birmingham's Mothers club
And added he 'can't recall almost anyone' to the jury in Los Angeles
He and Jimmy Page are accused of stealing the riff for Stairway to Heaven from Spirit song Taurus
Scroll down for video comparing the songs of the two bands

By PRESS ASSOCIATION and MAILONLINE REPORTER
PUBLISHED: 13:57 EST, 22 June 2016 | UPDATED: 18:15 EST, 22 June 2016

Led Zeppelin singer Robert Plant has told a court a serious car crash left him with no memory of watching the band accusing him of copying their song to compose Stairway to Heaven.

( :D :D :D )

The frontman and guitarist Jimmy Page are being sued in a copyright dispute brought by the American band Spirit, who claim the classic 1971 hit was 'lifted' from their instrumental track Taurus.

A lawsuit has been filed on behalf of Spirit guitarist Randy Wolfe - known as Randy California - who drowned in 1997 having never taken legal action over the song.
Scroll down for video comparing the songs

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Sir Bobby on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 8:16pm

Trial by media - how can this be fair?

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Sir Bobby on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 8:21pm

The answer is over the hills and far away:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Az-TuYb4h0

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Bojack Horseman on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 9:47am

it_is_the_light wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 8:08pm:

He actually did have a serious car crash, if you're suggesting otherwise.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 6:56pm

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/led-zeppelin-stairway-trial-goes-to-jury-as-both-sides-plead-case-20160622

Led Zeppelin 'Stairway' Trial Goes to Jury as Both Sides Plead Case

Quote:

"Any other catfights or anything else?" judge admonishes counsels after contentious back-and-forth

BY MATT DIEHL June 22, 2016

The Led Zeppelin "Stairway to Heaven" trial is now in the hands of a jury as both sides presented closing arguments. Mona Shafer Edwards

The copyright infringement lawsuit against Led Zeppelin over the songwriting credits and profits of its classic "Stairway to Heaven" has now gone to the jury, which began deliberations Wednesday morning.

In the sixth day of the case - "Michael Skidmore v. Led Zeppelin et al" (the "et al" referring to corporate defendants Atlantic Records, Rhino Records and Warner/Chappell Music) - both sides made final arguments in Court 850 of Los Angeles' Edward R. Roybal Federal Building and United States Courthouse. The presiding judge, Gary Klausner, allotted counsel representing the plaintiffs (the trust of Randy "California" Wolfe, whose composition "Taurus" for the band Spirit they allege has been plagiarized) and Zeppelin's defense team 45 minutes each to convince the eight-person jury of their arguments.

The plaintiff's controversial attorney, Francis Malofiy, began the proceedings, giving his best performance to date in the trial - concisely summing up the various themes he'd presented with clarity and force and largely never veering out of control. (Judge Klausner has repeatedly sustained objections over procedure against Malofiy throughout the trial.) "This case is about one thing: credit," Malofiy began, noting his plaintiff requested songwriting credit for Wolfe and one-third of royalties of "Stairway." "This case is about copying. Give. Credit. Where. Credit. Is. Due."

Malofiy reiterated testimony from the plaintiff's expert witnesses that both "Taurus" (an instrumental) and "Stairway" share "substantial similarity" in their use of a descending chromatic scale "in a unique and original way ... That is memorable and unique." He attacked Jimmy Page and Robert Plant as having a "selective memory" on the stand, asking if their "memory is better now or in 1969 or 1970" (at which time the Zep members gave interviews that seemed to contradict their testimony about their knowledge and appreciation of Spirit's material, as well as having seen the band live).

Those interviews - both in their raw audio form and in print - alongside Zeppelin having covered Spirit's song "Fresh-Garbage," served as a smoking gun in the plaintiffs' eyes that proved the band had "access" to Spirit recordings. Malofiy also cited the fact that Page owned five Spirit albums, including its 1968 self-titled debut that included "Taurus," and that Page's testimony contradicting ancient Zeppelin folklore that the intro of "Stairway" was written at the Welsh cottage Bron-Yr-Aur was a "complete rewriting of history."

Malofiy also seemed to rub in the defense's face that they were unable to call an expert witness to assess damages: He told the jury it had wide latitude to assess damages as "somewhere in the middle" of $10 million alleged gross profits, adjusting for the fact that "Stairway" is one of Zeppelin's most popular songs in its catalog.

Malofiy did have some spurious and humorous moments in his final arguments, however. He continued to emphasize the legally questionable "Jimi Hendrix defense," going on about Wolfe's early association with the guitar god. (Not surprising considering Malofiy once sued the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for "falsification of rock and roll history," a claim repeated in his case against Led Zeppelin.)

He also repeated the absurd assertion that Jimmy Page's ability to write original songs was compromised by his time as a session musician "playing others' music." Malofiy seemed to approach the case on a pass/fail basis: In his rebuttal to the defense, he reminded the jury members that he only needed to prove his case by "51 percent" - sticking his arms out and tilting his body as if he'd become the personification of the scales of justice himself.

The defense's lead counsel, Peter Anderson, also displayed humor in his final argument - often to his advantage. "The best place to start is [Malofiy said the case could be summed] up in six words from the Bible: 'In the beginning God created...' He promised six words but delivered only five - and throughout this case he's made more promises, but hasn't delivered."

Anderson had some setbacks early on, though. He repeated his assertion that Hollenbeck Music (a publishing concern owned by legendary music producer and impresario Lou Adler) actually owned the "Taurus" copyright; that argument was rendered null, however, when Judge Klausner affirmed, in his instructions to the jury, that the trustees of Randy Wolfe's estate indeed own the "Taurus" copyright.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 7:00pm

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 7:11pm

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/what-happens-if-led-zeppelin-loses-the-stairway-to-heaven-trial-20160622

What Happens If Led Zeppelin Lose the 'Stairway to Heaven' Trial?

As rock fans prepare for a verdict in the copyright suit over Spirit's "Taurus," a look at some of the trial's potential longterm effects

As rock fans prepare for a verdict in the Led Zeppelin "Stairway to Heaven" trial, a loss for Led Zep may have widespread effects on the industry.

Robert Plant on Spirit Song: 'I Don't Remember It' »

After a brisk, colorful trial, a jury is expected to leave a Los Angeles federal courtroom Wednesday afternoon and deliberate the question every rock fan has been forced to mull over for the past week: Did Led Zeppelin lift the distinctive arpeggio that opens "Stairway to Heaven" from Spirit's 1967 instrumental "Taurus"?

The trustee for the estate of Randy Wolfe – better known as Spirit's main songwriter, Randy California – is seeking $40 million from Zeppelin, alleging that their classic rock anthem violated his copyright.

The last high-profile verdict in a copyright infringement lawsuit – a $7.4 million award against "Blurred Lines" songwriters Robin Thicke and Pharrell Williams in 2015 that was later reduced to $5.3 million – generated a flurry of fretful suppositions about its effects on the music industry, copyright law and the ability of musicians to create freely.

If a jury orders Zeppelin to fork over even a fraction of what the Wolfe estate is asking, expect many more such predictions in the days to come. As rock fans prepare for the verdict, here's what might — and might not — happen if Zeppelin loses.

The Law Remains the Same

This is a jury verdict, based solely on the unique facts of the case. Unlike a judge's decision, which may offer a new interpretation of the law for future courts to take into consideration, a jury verdict sets no legal precedent. Copyright law as it exists today in the Central District of California will not change, regardless of how the jury decides. (Incidentally, this is also true of the "Blurred Lines" verdict, though ill-informed commentators continue to suggest that it somehow altered the law. Ignore them.)

A verdict for the Wolfe estate won't make it easier for anyone to prove infringement in the future. And Michael Skidmore, the estate trustee, cannot brandish this verdict at the composers of "Chim Chim Cher-ee" – or at the writers of the other 65 songs that Led Zeppelin argued sounded similar to both "Stairway to Heaven" and "Taurus" – and ask them to cough up cash. That's not how it works.

A Flood of Copycat Suits – or Not

If there's a verdict for the plaintiff – especially a hefty one – many news reports on the trial will contain two quotes. The first will predict that this unwarranted windfall will lead to a gold rush of greedy plaintiffs filing spurious copyright claims against popular musical acts. The second will declare that no such thing is going to happen. The first will come from Led Zeppelin's attorney; the latter will come from the Wolfe estate.

Lawyers don't talk to reporters because they're lonely. They have a story to tell, and they want the next jury they face to feel a certain way – either that copyright infringement verdicts are out of control or that wronged songwriters deserve their day in court. Read these quotes (and any others you encounter) in context.

Title: Re: Led Zep DID NOT Steal Stairway to Heaven
Post by AiA on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 4:30am

well, that's over. the song remains the same

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 5:53am

http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-36611961

Led Zeppelin cleared of plagiarism in Stairway case

Led Zeppelin did not plagiarise the opening chords of the rock epic Stairway to Heaven from the US band Spirit, a Los Angeles jury has found.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Sir Bobby on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 6:34am

And so it is - they are innocent.

It had master Light a bit dazed and confused:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQgYn23Xvck

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by issuevoter on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 6:35am

Like I said in my earlier post, you cannot copyright a chord progression, or the harmonic structure of a piece of music.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Sir Bobby on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 6:38am

issuevoter wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 6:35am:

Like I said in my earlier post, you cannot copyright a chord progression, or the harmonic structure of a piece of music.

True - and master Light must apologise.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by GordyL on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 9:04am

Now to set up a fund to appeal the stupid Kookaburra decision

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by greggerypeccary on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 9:19am

it_is_the_light wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 5:53am:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMQdiHIZgSo

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Lisa Jones on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 9:28am

Duh!

They were ALWAYS going to win this law suit.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by greggerypeccary on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:04am

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

Duh!

They were ALWAYS going to win this law suit.

One can't always be sure.

It didn't go well for George Harrison.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Aussie on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:06am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:04am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

Duh!

They were ALWAYS going to win this law suit.

One can't always be sure.

It didn't go well for George Harrison.

Lisa Jones was so sure that this Thread is full of her predictions of the outcome.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by greggerypeccary on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:12am

Aussie wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:06am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:04am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

Duh!

They were ALWAYS going to win this law suit.

One can't always be sure.

It didn't go well for George Harrison.

Lisa Jones was so sure that this Thread is full of her predictions of the outcome.

Such as this:

"How dare they steal the stairway to Heaven!"

And, this:

Other forum member: "led zep stole stairway to heaven".

Lisa: "I agree".

But now she says:

"Duh! They were ALWAYS going to win this law suit."

Caught out, once again.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Aussie on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:17am

Quote:

Caught out, once again.

Always an easy thing to do in this case. I often see Lisa Jones complain about how people spend all their time on Forum. She, of course, cannot do that having five children (including Hubby) to look after. I guess they must all be away this week as Lisa Jones has not missed ONE day from dawn to after mid-night...here.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Lisa Jones on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:23am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:12am:

Aussie wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:06am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:04am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

Duh!

They were ALWAYS going to win this law suit.

One can't always be sure.

It didn't go well for George Harrison.

Lisa Jones was so sure that this Thread is full of her predictions of the outcome.

Nongs!

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by LEUT Bigvicfella (RTD) on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:32am

An excellent outcome for LED Z!

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by greggerypeccary on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:35am

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:23am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:12am:

Aussie wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:06am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:04am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

Duh!

They were ALWAYS going to win this law suit.

One can't always be sure.

It didn't go well for George Harrison.

Lisa Jones was so sure that this Thread is full of her predictions of the outcome.

Nongs!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoqQnR8NOVI

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Lisa Jones on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:38am

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:23am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:12am:

Aussie wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:06am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:04am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

Duh!

They were ALWAYS going to win this law suit.

One can't always be sure.

It didn't go well for George Harrison.

Lisa Jones was so sure that this Thread is full of her predictions of the outcome.

Nongs!

Greg....you seem to think there's some issue with those 3 posts my obsessed stalker Arrsie has dug up.

Unlike your little troll buddy Arrsie, I know you have some grey matter left, so I will ask YOU (AND ONLY YOU) :

Do you think these 3 posts contradict each other?

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Lisa Jones on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:39am

Post delay.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by greggerypeccary on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:40am

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:38am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:23am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:12am:

Aussie wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:06am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:04am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

Duh!

They were ALWAYS going to win this law suit.

One can't always be sure.

It didn't go well for George Harrison.

Lisa Jones was so sure that this Thread is full of her predictions of the outcome.

Nongs!

Greg....you seem to think there's some issue with my 2 posts.

Unlike your little troll buddy Arrsie, I know you have some grey matter left, so I will ask YOU (AND ONLY YOU) :

Do you think these 2 posts contradict each other?

I think you didn't predict the outcome.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Aussie on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:40am

The first two contradict the third, directly.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Mr Hammer on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:46am

Led Zeppelin mucked around musically and lyrically with a bunch of old blues songs. Dazed And Confused is one. Babe I'm gonna Leave You is another that comes to mind.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Lisa Jones on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:51am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:40am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:38am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:23am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:12am:

Aussie wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:06am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:04am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

Duh!

They were ALWAYS going to win this law suit.

One can't always be sure.

It didn't go well for George Harrison.

Lisa Jones was so sure that this Thread is full of her predictions of the outcome.

Nongs!

Greg....you seem to think there's some issue with my 3 posts.

Unlike your little troll buddy Arrsie, I know you have some grey matter left, so I will ask YOU (AND ONLY YOU) :

Do you think these 3 posts contradict each other?

I think you didn't predict the outcome.

That's not what I asked you.

The question was :

Do you think these 3 posts contradict each other?

All you need to do now is answer with a yes or no.

Fingers crossed here that you'll be able to harness enough grey matter to choose btwn these 2 options.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 7:50pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 6:38am:

issuevoter wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 6:35am:

Like I said in my earlier post, you cannot copyright a chord progression, or the harmonic structure of a piece of music.

True - and master Light must apologise.

many blessings sir bobby ...

you think its over ?

this is interesting..

forgiven

namaste

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 7:56pm

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-05-15/led-zeppelins-stairway-to-heaven-vs-dot-spirits-taurus-a-reckoning

Quote:

As the band rose to rock deity status on the back of Stairway, behind the scenes the slow and expensive unraveling of its intellectual-property foundations was already beginning. In the early 1970s, Chester (Howlin’ Wolf) Burnett’s music publisher sued Led Zeppelin for The Lemon Song, saying it was derived from Burnett’s Killing Floor. The parties settled, according to When Giants Walked the Earth. Burnett got a writing credit.

Quote:

The next case started around 1979, after Shirley Dixon-Nelson, the daughter of blues legend Willie Dixon, heard Led Zeppelin’s Whole Lotta Love at a friend’s house in Chicago. It’s Led Zeppelin’s highest-charting U.S. single, reaching No. 4 on the Billboard Hot 100. To Dixon’s 13-year-old daughter, the song sounded a lot like her father’s You Need Love. Dixon sued, reaching a settlement in 1987, and the song is now credited to the four Zeppelin members and Dixon, who died in 1992. Despite the settlement, “there was no significant money to Willie from record sales. He went to his grave feeling that he was not represented properly,” his wife, Marie Dixon, told Barney Hoskyns in Led Zeppelin: The Oral History of the World’s Greatest Rock Band. Today in Chicago, Willie Dixon’s Blues Heaven Foundation runs a blues education program in local schools and awards college scholarships to study topics including artists’ legal rights.

Quote:

In the mid-’80s, another artist stepped forward. To reach the home of the 83-year-old woman who wrote the original Babe I’m Gonna Leave You, you drive up a dirt road on the edge of California’s Sierra National Forest. In a house made from two double-wide mobile homes, Anne Bredon, silver-haired and lanky, spends her days making jewelry, which she sells at craft fairs. To get to town for supplies, she drives a white electric car plastered with bumper stickers like “My Other Car Is a Broom.” She’s not a fan of hard rock.
Bredon wrote Babe around 1960 as a student at the University of California at Berkeley. She shared the chords and words with a fellow student, Janet Smith, who took Babe with her to Oberlin College and popularized it there. In 1962, Joan Baez came through the Ohio campus, heard Babe, and added it to her repertoire, including it in a songbook (credited to Bredon) and on a live album (not credited). In 1969, Led Zeppelin’s first album included a version of the song based on the Baez recording, listed as “Trad. arr. Jimmy Page.” “Jimmy Page must have assumed it was a folk song,” Bredon says. She, in the meantime, had no idea that her song was in the pantheon of classic rock.
In 1981, Bredon’s old college friend, Smith, was strumming the tune at home when her 12-year-old son popped into the room. “Gee, Mom, I didn’t know you did Led Zeppelin songs,” he said, according to Smith. It wasn’t until the mid-1980s that Smith happened to look at a copy of the debut Led Zeppelin album in a Tower Records store and realized her friend hadn’t gotten credit. She contacted Bredon with a proposal to hire a lawyer, and the two agreed to split any money they could recover. To resolve the dispute, Led Zeppelin’s publisher made an offer: Because the band had made the song famous, the authorship of the Zeppelin version should be split 50-50, with half going to Bredon and the other half to Page and Plant. Future editions of the song would be credited, “Words and music by Anne Bredon, Jimmy Page, and Robert Plant.”

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 7:56pm

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Sir Bobby on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 5:26pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 7:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 6:38am:

issuevoter wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 6:35am:

Like I said in my earlier post, you cannot copyright a chord progression, or the harmonic structure of a piece of music.

True - and master Light must apologise.

many blessings sir bobby ...

you think its over ?

this is interesting..

forgiven

namaste

Yes master Light,

prove you are humble & worthy of being a knight by
apologising.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 7:58pm

many blessings sir bobby

you seem dazed and confused

this is entirely appropriate

so be at peace

namaste

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Sir Bobby on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 7:59pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV-jlMLXZ9M

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Sir Bobby on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 8:00pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 7:58pm:

many blessings sir bobby

you seem dazed and confused

this is entirely appropriate

so be at peace

namaste

You lack a knight's humility.

forgiven

namaste

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 11:29am

Quote:

Yes master Light,

prove you are humble & worthy of being a knight by
apologising.

many blessings sir bobby ,

yet you have merely proved you remain confused

1. prove one such as I am needs to apologize for any one thing .

2. prove , as your inane and ignorant supposition suggests , that one such as I am is a knight . ( by definition of your ungodly interpretation of fealty to and unto false gods )

( one such as I am has no need or desire to be counted among a rock god stupor induced gaggle of your chained and shackled knights bound unto and into your ignorant slave worship of false and ungodly gods )

you remain forgiven in your rock god stupor ..

so rejoice !

namaste

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Sir Bobby on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 11:43am

At least I'm forgiven

namaste

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 11:45am

Bobby. wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 11:43am:

At least I'm forgiven

namaste

and at the same time

ye admit to false god worship

whoa unto thee , yet you may recant and denyeth these ungodly gods

and cometh back to the divine and sacred light within thee now

harken or continue in thine wicked ways

either wayeth be at peace

namaste

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Sir Bobby on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 11:48am

dear beloved master Light,

all we have left is Kashmir:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV-jlMLXZ9M

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Sir Bobby on Jun 27^th, 2016 at 7:58pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 11:29am:

Quote:

Yes master Light,

prove you are humble & worthy of being a knight by
apologising.

dear master Light,
This is a put down.

You are forgiven & may still join the knights of truth & wisdom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tch1CuMV9M

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Lisa Jones on Jun 28^th, 2016 at 8:42am

What a relief.

This topic is now safe to post in.

I was absolutely disgusted by the misogyny posted in here a few days back.

It was totaly uncalled for.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Lisa Jones on Jun 28^th, 2016 at 8:44am

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:51am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:40am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:38am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:23am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:12am:

Aussie wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:06am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:04am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

Duh!

They were ALWAYS going to win this law suit.

One can't always be sure.

It didn't go well for George Harrison.

Lisa Jones was so sure that this Thread is full of her predictions of the outcome.

Nongs!

I think you didn't predict the outcome.

For Greg, if/when he comes back online.

Hopefully, he'll be able to post on topic.

This time.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Jun 28^th, 2016 at 6:41pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 11:48am:

dear beloved master Light,

all we have left is Kashmir:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV-jlMLXZ9M

you may speak for yourself sir bobby

yet if you suffer the affliction mayhaps acquire some remedial creme at your local chemical/chemist establishment

either way wash your hands

namaste

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Sir Bobby on Jun 28^th, 2016 at 6:50pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Jun 28^th, 2016 at 6:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 11:48am:

dear beloved master Light,

all we have left is Kashmir:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV-jlMLXZ9M

you may speak for yourself sir bobby

yet if you suffer the affliction mayhaps acquire some remedial creme at your local chemical/chemist establishment

either way wash your hands

namaste

Dear master Light,
you can still be a knight.

Just put sir in front of your name.

Join us.

namaste

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Sir Bobby on Jun 28^th, 2016 at 10:22pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Jun 28^th, 2016 at 6:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 11:48am:

dear beloved master Light,

all we have left is Kashmir:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV-jlMLXZ9M

you may speak for yourself sir bobby

yet if you suffer the affliction mayhaps acquire some remedial creme at your local chemical/chemist establishment

either way wash your hands

namaste

Ye hath not even read the words:

LED ZEPPELIN LYRICS
"Kashmir"

Oh let the sun beat down upon my face, stars to fill my dream
I am a traveler of both time and space, to be where I have been
To sit with elders of the gentle race, this world has seldom seen
They talk of days for which they sit and wait and all will be revealed

Talk and song from tongues of lilting grace, whose sounds caress my ear
But not a word I heard could I relate, the story was quite clear
Oh, oh.

Oh, I been flying... mama, there ain't no denyin'
I've been flying, ain't no denyin', no denyin'

All I see turns to brown, as the sun burns the ground
And my eyes fill with sand, as I scan this wasted land
Trying to find, trying to find where I've been.

Oh, pilot of the storm who leaves no trace, like thoughts inside a dream
Heed the path that led me to that place, yellow desert stream
My Shangri-La beneath the summer moon, I will return again
Sure as the dust that floats high in June, when movin' through Kashmir.

Oh, father of the four winds, fill my sails, across the sea of years
With no provision but an open face, along the straits of fear
Ohh.

When I'm on, when I'm on my way, yeah
When I see, when I see the way, you stay-yeah

Ooh, yeah-yeah, ooh, yeah-yeah, when I'm down...
Ooh, my baby, oooh, my baby, let me take you there

Let me take you there. Let me take you there

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Sir Bobby on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 10:01pm

Where is master Light?

I am missing all his forgiveness.

Can anyone else forgive me?

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 10:41pm

many blessings ,

im not in the gay bar with robert plant thats for sure

I knew there was a reason you liked him sir bobby !!

oh crikey ,

wait till the crew on oz pol find THIS one out ..

http://www.feelnumb.com/2013/08/18/robert-plant-led-zeppelin-manager-peter-grants-sexually-provocative-bromance-photos/

they are being so gay right there

not that there is anything wrong with it of and in due course

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Sir Bobby on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 10:43pm

Robert Plant was a rock god not a queer.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 10:45pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 10:43pm:

Robert Plant was a rock god not a queer.

many blessings sir bobby

yet robert is planting a bloke here ..

forgiven for blindness

namaste

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 10:47pm

ok sir bobby ,

pls explain this ..

http://www.feelnumb.com/2013/08/18/robert-plant-led-zeppelin-manager-peter-grants-sexually-provocative-bromance-photos/

Robert Plant & Led Zeppelin Manager Peter Grant’s Sexually Provocative “Bromance” Photos

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Sir Bobby on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 12:05am

dear master Light,
I must admit that I had never seen these photos before.
How disgusting.
Please don't post them again.

forgiven

namaste

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 2:39am

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Bojack Horseman on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 8:43am

Photoshopped.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Sir Bobby on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 9:23am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 8:43am:

Photoshopped.

master Light is easily duped by fake websites.

he is forgiven

namaste

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 10:12am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 8:43am:

Photoshopped.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Bojack Horseman on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 10:24am

Still though even if this is true, what does it matter?

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 10:28am

well it is true , and it is what is is ...

miscreantalists and thieves

Bobby. wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2016 at 7:35pm:

dear master Light,
you refer to a David Icke website.

Do you really believe that one man ritually sacrificed almost 2,500 young boys?
I am not here to defend Aleister Crowley but more
the integrity of the internet.
I think that 90% of what is posted the internet is garbage.

I do have authority to speak on behalf of St Peter -
my authority comes from the Bible.
Sorcery - dabbling in witchcraft is a sin.
Orgonite witch magic? - burn it all.
Repent for the end is nigh.

forgiven

namaste

and so it is , sir bobby has been exposed as an active cult member of the satanist crowley

Bobby. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 12:22am:

dear master Light,
for the first time -
I went to this site tonight for a free computer tarot reading:

http://www.darktarot.com/decans_tarot/

the results surprised me as they were exactly what I was thinking about.

I will let you know if they come true.

namaste

and so it has come to pass ,

sir bobby is a confessed witch and idol worshiper

you are a true and confessed fool

Quote:

Led Zeppelin — Straight From Hell!

Led Zeppelin's songs are saturated with Aleister Crowley's Satanic doctrines...

The worship of Lucifer, in the form of Pan, was a theme through all of Aleister Crowley’s writings. Jimmy Page has always been an open student of Crowley the Black Magician, and Led Zeppelin was his band. Following the teachings of Crowley, Jimmy Page and company were successful in placing his doctrines in many of their songs, including “Ramble On,” “Black Dog,” “The Battle of Evermore,” “Stairway to Heaven,” “No Quarter,” “The Song Remains the Same,” “Kashmir,” “In The Light,” “Achilles Last Stand,” and “Nobody’s Fault But Mine,” just to name a few. Led Zeppelin even went so far as to command their fans to sell their souls to the Devil in their concert film, “The Song Remains the Same.”

sir bobby is a self confessed adept of crowley !!!

Quote:

Rev 21 KJV

[8] But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable,
and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers,
and idolaters, and all liars,
shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

your st peter shall surely have stern words for thee as

much whoa is unto thee conducting dark tarot readings

and defending and worshiping the world renowned satanist Aleister Crowley !!

exposed and forgiven

namaste

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Bojack Horseman on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 10:35am

Page is the Crowley fan not really Plant.

Additionally, Danny Carey from Tool is a Crowley fan is he gay too?

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 10:41am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 10:35am:

Page is the Crowley fan not really Plant.

Additionally, Danny Carey from Tool is a Crowley fan is he gay too?

many blessings pastafarian ,

we are discussing the miscreants and thieves led zep here

why not start a danny carey thread and research this topic that interests ye so much ..

yet either way be at peace

namaste

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 10:44am

sir bobby is a self confessed adept and misguided underling and apologist

of and for the top satanists crowley ..

Bobby. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 12:22am:

he uses the tarot just like his false idols led zep,

undelings and adepts of the top satanist and child sacrificer crowley !!!

http://www.witchcraftandwitches.com/related_tarot.html

much whoa is unto this misguided fool and tool of the dark

I shall continue to pray for his lost and tortured soul

with so very much love

namaste

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Bojack Horseman on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 10:45am

it_is_the_light wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 10:41am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 10:35am:

Page is the Crowley fan not really Plant.

Additionally, Danny Carey from Tool is a Crowley fan is he gay too?

No I'm asking you dipshit.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 10:47am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 10:45am:

it_is_the_light wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 10:41am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 10:35am:

Page is the Crowley fan not really Plant.

Additionally, Danny Carey from Tool is a Crowley fan is he gay too?

No I'm asking you dipshit.

you seem upset

maybe too much influence of the band tool and their teachings ?

I do not respond to abusive posts

so try another tact

namaste

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Bojack Horseman on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 10:55am

Tool dont have any teachings.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 11:11am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 10:55am:

Tool dont have any teachings.

ye are deceived and blinded

and so be it

namaste

- : ) =

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Bojack Horseman on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 11:55am

it_is_the_light wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 11:11am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 10:55am:

Tool dont have any teachings.

ye are deceived and blinded

and so be it

namaste

- : ) =

Mmmm dunning-kruger

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Sir Bobby on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 1:05pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 10:44am:

sir bobby is a self confessed adept and misguided underling and apologist

of and for the top satanists crowley ..

This is a lie - I know only what you have posted about Crowley.

Quote:

Rev 21 KJV

[8] But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable,
and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers

and idolaters, and all liars,
shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Sir Bobby on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 1:05pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKLVmBOOqVU

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 1:13pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 1:05pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 10:44am:

sir bobby is a self confessed adept and misguided underling and apologist

of and for the top satanists crowley ..

This is a lie - I know only what you have posted about Crowley.

Quote:

sir bobby is a self confessed adept and misguided underling and apologist

of and for the top satanists crowley ..

Bobby. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 12:22am:

dear master Light,
for the first time -
I went to this site tonight for a free computer tarot reading:

http://www.darktarot.com/decans_tarot/

the results surprised me as they were exactly what I was thinking about.

I will let you know if they come true.

namaste

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Sir Bobby on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 6:54pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 1:05pm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKLVmBOOqVU

Can't a friend help me overcome these lies said about me?

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 7:13pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3LvhdFEOqs

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Sir Bobby on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 7:20pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 7:13pm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3LvhdFEOqs

Thanks Greggy.

Lyrics

"Mr. Crowley"

[Daisley - Osbourne - Rhoads]

Mr. Crowley, what went on in your head?
Oh, Mr. Crowley, did you talk to the dead?
Your life style to me seemed so tragic
With the thrill of it all
You fooled all the people with magic
Yeah, you waited on Satan's call

Mr. Charming, did you think you were pure?
Mr. Alarming, in nocturnal rapport
Uncovering things that were sacred
Manifest on this Earth
Conceived in the eye of a secret
And they scattered the afterbirth

Mr. Crowley, won't you ride my white horse?
Mr. Crowley, it's symbolic, of course
Approaching a time that is classic
I hear that maidens call
Approaching a time that is drastic
Standing with their backs to the wall

Was it polemically sent
l want to know what you meant
I want to know, I want to know what you meant, yeah

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Aug 4^th, 2016 at 3:13am

sir bobby is a self confessed adept and misguided underling and apologist

of and for the top satanists crowley ..!!!!!

Quote:

sir bobby quote ,

" This is a [highlight]lie - I know only what you have posted about Crowley." [/highlight]

Quote:

sir bobby is a self confessed adept and misguided underling and apologist

of and for the top satanists crowley ..!!!!

proof here !!!

Bobby. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 12:22am:

he uses the tarot just like his false idols led zep,

underlings and adepts of the top satanist and child sacrificer crowley !!!

http://www.witchcraftandwitches.com/related_tarot.html

much whoa is unto this misguided fool and tool of the dark

I shall continue to pray for his lost and tortured soul

with so very much love

namaste

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Sir Bobby on Aug 4^th, 2016 at 7:24am

Bobby. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 7:10pm:

master Light,

Quote:

sir bobby has been exposed as an active cult member of the satanist crowley

dear misguided master Light,

This is a lie and you know it.

Ye hath fallen short of the standard required to be a knight of the round table:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tch1CuMV9M

repent now for the end is nigh.

St Peter may not forgive you but I already have!

namaste

repent now for the end is nigh.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Aug 4^th, 2016 at 10:27am

Bobby. wrote on Aug 4^th, 2016 at 7:24am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 7:10pm:

master Light,

Quote:

sir bobby has been exposed as an active cult member of the satanist crowley

dear misguided master Light,

This is a lie and you know it.

repent now for the end is nigh.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 12:22am:

proof of sir bobby and his active cult status

exposed and forgiven

namaste

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Aug 4^th, 2016 at 10:30am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 10:35am:

Page is the Crowley fan not really Plant.

Additionally, Danny Carey from Tool is a Crowley fan is he gay too?

many blessings pastafarian ,

yet ye know little to nothing on most everything you post

you share no wisdom or enlightenment only attack and abuse posters here

cap = fits = wear it

forgiven

namaste

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Bojack Horseman on Aug 4^th, 2016 at 10:35am

Tool, commonly known as a progressive metal band.

Research, dude, research.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by it_is_the_light on Aug 4^th, 2016 at 10:37am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 4^th, 2016 at 10:35am:

Tool, commonly known as a progressive metal band.

Research, dude, research.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 10:45am:

it_is_the_light wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 10:41am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2016 at 10:35am:

Page is the Crowley fan not really Plant.

Additionally, Danny Carey from Tool is a Crowley fan is he gay too?

No I'm asking you dipshit.

Title: Re: Led Zep Steals Stairway to Heaven
Post by Bojack Horseman on Aug 4^th, 2016 at 10:38am

Ohhh you've learnt control c control v