I agree with Fry.  Get over it ~ grow up, stop using it as a crutch.  It is, as Fry says, a very destructive emotion.

Link.

Aussie wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 6:27pm:

I agree with Fry.  Get over it ~ grow up, stop using it as a crutch.  It is, as Fry says, a very destructive emotion. Link.

Fry is not saying "get over it", "grow up" or "stop using it as a crutch" He is not being so insensitive.

Did you read what he actually said?

He's saying great works of art should not be censored because they involve taboo or difficult subjects.

He's saying self pity is destructive, yes, true ... not the rest of what you have added.

You don;t tell a victim to "get over it". Or to "grow up". Jesus.

And then Fry tells the world about his suicide attempt. Toughen up Fry you old bum bandit.

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 6:42pm:

And then Fry tells the world about his suicide attempt. Toughen up Fry you old bum bandit.

I would argue that a suicide attempt as a result of clinical depression doesn't really qualify as self-pity.

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 6:40pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 6:27pm: I agree with Fry.  Get over it ~ grow up, stop using it as a crutch.  It is, as Fry says, a very destructive emotion. Link. Fry is not saying "get over it", "grow up" or "stop using it as a crutch" He is not being so insensitive. Did you read what he actually said? He's saying great works of art should not be censored because they involve taboo or difficult subjects. He's saying self pity is destructive, yes, true ... not the rest of what you have added. You don;t tell a victim to "get over it". Or to "grow up". Jesus.

He did say.....'Grow up.'  I expanded that.

He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity.

Different animal.

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 6:51pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 6:42pm: And then Fry tells the world about his suicide attempt. Toughen up Fry you old bum bandit. I've had you on here announcing your rape Mothra. So tell me Mothra, are people allowed to feel sorry and bad for being abused? Should they just suck it up? I would argue that a suicide attempt as a result of clinical depression doesn't really qualify as self-pity.

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity. Different animal.

I've had you on here announcing your rape Mothra. So tell me Mothra, are people allowed to feel sorry and bad for being abused? Should they just suck it up?

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:12pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:03pm: He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity. Different animal. I've had you on here announcing your rape Mothra. So tell me Mothra, are people allowed to feel sorry and bad for being abused? Should they just suck it up?

Of course they are. And there is a fair to reasonable chance they will suffer from long term mental health problems as a result.

That's not self pity though.

Jesus Hammer. Did you actually read what i typed?

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:15pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:12pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:03pm: He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity. Different animal. I've had you on here announcing your rape Mothra. So tell me Mothra, are people allowed to feel sorry and bad for being abused? Should they just suck it up? Of course they are. And there is a fair to reasonable chance they will suffer from long term mental health problems as a result. That's not self pity though. Jesus Hammer. Did you actually read what i typed?

How does this old queen determine if some poor molestation victim is feeling sorry for themselves?

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:16pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:15pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:12pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:03pm: He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity. Different animal. I've had you on here announcing your rape Mothra. So tell me Mothra, are people allowed to feel sorry and bad for being abused? Should they just suck it up? Of course they are. And there is a fair to reasonable chance they will suffer from long term mental health problems as a result. That's not self pity though. Jesus Hammer. Did you actually read what i typed? How does this old queen determine if some poor molestation victim is feeling sorry for themselves?

He's speaking specifically to people who want to ban great works of art because they include sensitive subjects.

Did you actually read the article?

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:18pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:16pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:15pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:12pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:03pm: He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity. Different animal. I've had you on here announcing your rape Mothra. So tell me Mothra, are people allowed to feel sorry and bad for being abused? Should they just suck it up? Of course they are. And there is a fair to reasonable chance they will suffer from long term mental health problems as a result. That's not self pity though. Jesus Hammer. Did you actually read what i typed? How does this old queen determine if some poor molestation victim is feeling sorry for themselves? He's speaking specifically to people who want to ban great works of art because they include sensitive subjects. Did you actually read the article?

Yes I did. He said this- “It’s a great shame that your uncle touched you in that nasty place — you get some of my sympathy — but your self pity gets none of my sympathy.” :-/

And you agree with him. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D If Fry was a rightie you wouldn't. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Where did i say i agreed with him Hammer?

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:23pm:

Where did i say i agreed with him Hammer?

So why are you arguing then?

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity. Different animal.

Really?  To whom was he addressing the comment?  Was it the tooth fairy?

Aussie wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:26pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:03pm: He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity. Different animal. Really?  To whom was he addressing the comment?  Was it the tooth fairy?

People overcome with self pity, obviously.

Is there an echo in here?

Aussie wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:26pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:03pm: He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity. Different animal. Really?  To whom was he addressing the comment?  Was it the tooth fairy?

she obviously didn't read the article. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:24pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:23pm: Where did i say i agreed with him Hammer? So why are you arguing then?

Oh for crying out loud. Go back and read my posts. That should learn you.

And why would i be arguing if i agreed with him Hammer? Hmmmmm?

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:26pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:03pm: He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity. Different animal. Really?  To whom was he addressing the comment?  Was it the tooth fairy? People overcome with self pity, obviously. Is there an echo in here?

wrong!!!!!

“It’s a great shame that your uncle touched you in that nasty place — you get some of my sympathy — but your self pity gets none of my sympathy.”

Read the article next time.

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:26pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:03pm: He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity. Different animal. Really?  To whom was he addressing the comment?  Was it the tooth fairy? she obviously didn't read the article. ;D ;D ;D ;D

You couldn't work it out for yourself either hey?   ::)

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:32pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:30pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:26pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:03pm: He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity. Different animal. Really?  To whom was he addressing the comment?  Was it the tooth fairy? she obviously didn't read the article. ;D ;D ;D ;D You couldn't work it out for yourself either hey?   ::)

First base in the whole post was that he was insensitive to people who have been molested and you didn't know that fact from the start. That's 10 minutes of my life I won't be getting back. ;D ;D ;D

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:33pm:

That's 10 minutes of my life I won't be getting back.

I doubt there'll be much pity for you.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:35pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:33pm: That's 10 minutes of my life I won't be getting back. I doubt there'll be much pity for you.

Don't want any. I'm loving how silly mothballs looks right now.

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:33pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:30pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:26pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:03pm: He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity. Different animal. Really?  To whom was he addressing the comment?  Was it the tooth fairy? she obviously didn't read the article. ;D ;D ;D ;D You couldn't work it out for yourself either hey?   ::) First base in the whole post was that he was insensitive to people who have been molested and you didn't know that fact from the start. That's 10 minutes of my life I won't be getting back. ;D ;D ;D

He wasn't though. He denounced people who are overcome with self pity. His reference to people who have been abused was in direct reference to people wanting great works of art censored.

This has been explained to you twice now.

Jesus, talking about the tooth fairy, it's like pulling teeth.

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:26pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:03pm: He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity. Different animal. Really?  To whom was he addressing the comment?  Was it the tooth fairy? People overcome with self pity, obviously. Is there an echo in here?

So, this:


Quote:

“It’s a great shame that your uncle touched you in that nasty place — you get some of my sympathy — but your self pity gets none of my sympathy.”

....was not being addressed to an abuse victim.  I see.

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:35pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:33pm: That's 10 minutes of my life I won't be getting back. I doubt there'll be much pity for you. Don't want any. I'm loving how silly mothballs looks right now.

Bless you, you really think that, don't you?  :o

Aussie wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:37pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:30pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:26pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:03pm: He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity. Different animal. Really?  To whom was he addressing the comment?  Was it the tooth fairy? People overcome with self pity, obviously. Is there an echo in here? So, this: Quote: “It’s a great shame that your uncle touched you in that nasty place — you get some of my sympathy — but your self pity gets none of my sympathy.” ....was not being addressed to an abuse victim.  I see.

In direct reference to self pity.

Why is this so hard to follow?

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:37pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:33pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:30pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:26pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:03pm: He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity. Different animal. Really?  To whom was he addressing the comment?  Was it the tooth fairy? she obviously didn't read the article. ;D ;D ;D ;D You couldn't work it out for yourself either hey?   ::) First base in the whole post was that he was insensitive to people who have been molested and you didn't know that fact from the start. That's 10 minutes of my life I won't be getting back. ;D ;D ;D He wasn't though. He denounced people who are overcome with self pity. His reference to people who have been abused was in direct reference to people wanting great works of art censored. This has been explained to you twice now. Jesus, talking about the tooth fairy, it's like pulling teeth.

Love, the article was about his insensitive comments. He was blaming censorship in the arts on molestation victims who ban certain images etc.

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:39pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:37pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:33pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:30pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:26pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:03pm: He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity. Different animal. Really?  To whom was he addressing the comment?  Was it the tooth fairy? she obviously didn't read the article. ;D ;D ;D ;D You couldn't work it out for yourself either hey?   ::) First base in the whole post was that he was insensitive to people who have been molested and you didn't know that fact from the start. That's 10 minutes of my life I won't be getting back. ;D ;D ;D He wasn't though. He denounced people who are overcome with self pity. His reference to people who have been abused was in direct reference to people wanting great works of art censored. This has been explained to you twice now. Jesus, talking about the tooth fairy, it's like pulling teeth. Love, the article was about his insensitive comments. He was blaming censorship in the arts on molestation victims who ban certain images etc.

Yes. THose overcome with self pity. Keep up Hammer.

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:35pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:33pm: That's 10 minutes of my life I won't be getting back. I doubt there'll be much pity for you. Don't want any. I'm loving how silly mothballs looks right now.

I think that might be a mirror you're looking at.

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:42pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:39pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:37pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:33pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:30pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:26pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:03pm: He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity. Different animal. Really?  To whom was he addressing the comment?  Was it the tooth fairy? she obviously didn't read the article. ;D ;D ;D ;D You couldn't work it out for yourself either hey?   ::) First base in the whole post was that he was insensitive to people who have been molested and you didn't know that fact from the start. That's 10 minutes of my life I won't be getting back. ;D ;D ;D He wasn't though. He denounced people who are overcome with self pity. His reference to people who have been abused was in direct reference to people wanting great works of art censored. This has been explained to you twice now. Jesus, talking about the tooth fairy, it's like pulling teeth. Love, the article was about his insensitive comments. He was blaming censorship in the arts on molestation victims who ban certain images etc. Yes. THose overcome with self pity. Keep up Hammer.

Yes, and used molestation victims as an example. Anyway it's a bloody stupid argument from the start. A while back he did a show on homophobia. If he wants total freedom of expression then I hope he won't mind a 10 foot high canvas with P O O F T E R painted in pink painted across it.

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:39pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:37pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:30pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:26pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:03pm: He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity. Different animal. Really?  To whom was he addressing the comment?  Was it the tooth fairy? People overcome with self pity, obviously. Is there an echo in here? So, this: Quote: “It’s a great shame that your uncle touched you in that nasty place — you get some of my sympathy — but your self pity gets none of my sympathy.” ....was not being addressed to an abuse victim.  I see. In direct reference to self pity. Why is this so hard to follow?

Tell me, whose self pity was he referring to?

Aussie wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:45pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:39pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:37pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:30pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:26pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:03pm: He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity. Different animal. Really?  To whom was he addressing the comment?  Was it the tooth fairy? People overcome with self pity, obviously. Is there an echo in here? So, this: Quote: “It’s a great shame that your uncle touched you in that nasty place — you get some of my sympathy — but your self pity gets none of my sympathy.” ....was not being addressed to an abuse victim.  I see. In direct reference to self pity. Why is this so hard to follow? Tell me, whose self pity was he referring to?

Irrelevant.

More importantly, he is not talking about the victims of abuse per se.

It is not irrelevant.  Further, I was simply answering your silly comments.

Fry was being critical of victims of abuse who wallow in self pity, and I agree with him.

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:45pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:42pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:39pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:37pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:33pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:30pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:26pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:03pm: He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity. Different animal. Really?  To whom was he addressing the comment?  Was it the tooth fairy? she obviously didn't read the article. ;D ;D ;D ;D You couldn't work it out for yourself either hey?   ::) First base in the whole post was that he was insensitive to people who have been molested and you didn't know that fact from the start. That's 10 minutes of my life I won't be getting back. ;D ;D ;D He wasn't though. He denounced people who are overcome with self pity. His reference to people who have been abused was in direct reference to people wanting great works of art censored. This has been explained to you twice now. Jesus, talking about the tooth fairy, it's like pulling teeth. Love, the article was about his insensitive comments. He was blaming censorship in the arts on molestation victims who ban certain images etc. Yes. THose overcome with self pity. Keep up Hammer. Yes, and used molestation victims as an example. Anyway it's a bloody stupid argument from the start. A while back he did a show on homophobia. If he wants total freedom of expression then I hope he won't mind a 10 foot high canvas with P O O F T E R painted in pink painted across it.

Molestation victims who reside in a place of self pity.

It is an important distinction. One that Aussie did not make in his thread title and opening post.

THAT is what i am arguing.

Aussie wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:49pm:

It is not irrelevant.  Further, I was simply answering your silly comments. Fry was being critical of victims of abuse who wallow in self pity, and I agree with him.

I have made no silly comments. I've called you on your insensitivity.

You appear not to like it very much.

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:50pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:49pm: It is not irrelevant.  Further, I was simply answering your silly comments. Fry was being critical of victims of abuse who wallow in self pity, and I agree with him. I have made no silly comments. I've called you on your insensitivity. You appear not to like it very much.

I am utterly unconcerned (could not care less) that anyone who does not know me regards me as insensitive.  That is irrelevant.

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:49pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:45pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:42pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:39pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:37pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:33pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:30pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:26pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:03pm: He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity. Different animal. Really?  To whom was he addressing the comment?  Was it the tooth fairy? she obviously didn't read the article. ;D ;D ;D ;D You couldn't work it out for yourself either hey?   ::) First base in the whole post was that he was insensitive to people who have been molested and you didn't know that fact from the start. That's 10 minutes of my life I won't be getting back. ;D ;D ;D He wasn't though. He denounced people who are overcome with self pity. His reference to people who have been abused was in direct reference to people wanting great works of art censored. This has been explained to you twice now. Jesus, talking about the tooth fairy, it's like pulling teeth. Love, the article was about his insensitive comments. He was blaming censorship in the arts on molestation victims who ban certain images etc. Yes. THose overcome with self pity. Keep up Hammer. Yes, and used molestation victims as an example. Anyway it's a bloody stupid argument from the start. A while back he did a show on homophobia. If he wants total freedom of expression then I hope he won't mind a 10 foot high canvas with P O O F T E R painted in pink painted across it. Molestation victims who reside in a place of self pity. It is an important distinction. One that Aussie did not make in his thread title and opening post. THAT is what i am arguing.

So he believes some self pitying molestation victims and other self pitiers are complaining and getting cutting edged art banned? :-?

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:52pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:49pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:45pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:42pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:39pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:37pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:33pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:30pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:26pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:03pm: He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity. Different animal. Really?  To whom was he addressing the comment?  Was it the tooth fairy? she obviously didn't read the article. ;D ;D ;D ;D You couldn't work it out for yourself either hey?   ::) First base in the whole post was that he was insensitive to people who have been molested and you didn't know that fact from the start. That's 10 minutes of my life I won't be getting back. ;D ;D ;D He wasn't though. He denounced people who are overcome with self pity. His reference to people who have been abused was in direct reference to people wanting great works of art censored. This has been explained to you twice now. Jesus, talking about the tooth fairy, it's like pulling teeth. Love, the article was about his insensitive comments. He was blaming censorship in the arts on molestation victims who ban certain images etc. Yes. THose overcome with self pity. Keep up Hammer. Yes, and used molestation victims as an example. Anyway it's a bloody stupid argument from the start. A while back he did a show on homophobia. If he wants total freedom of expression then I hope he won't mind a 10 foot high canvas with P O O F T E R painted in pink painted across it. Molestation victims who reside in a place of self pity. It is an important distinction. One that Aussie did not make in his thread title and opening post. THAT is what i am arguing. So he believes some self pitying molestation victims and other self pitiers are complaining and getting cutting edged art banned? :-?

Not just cutting edge art. THe old classics too. Like people complaining about Macbeth or Medea  because they contain child murder.

Aussie wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:52pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:50pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:49pm: It is not irrelevant.  Further, I was simply answering your silly comments. Fry was being critical of victims of abuse who wallow in self pity, and I agree with him. I have made no silly comments. I've called you on your insensitivity. You appear not to like it very much. I am utterly unconcerned (could not care less) that anyone who does not know me regards me as insensitive.  That is irrelevant.

That is fortunate for you.

Nothing wrong with what he said.  Nothing at all.

The only thing amusing about this is that he was the beneficiary of the victimhood-industrial complex a year or so ago when he wed his boyfriend, but now he's become a victim of it. 

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:56pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:52pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:49pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:45pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:42pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:39pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:37pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:33pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:30pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:26pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:03pm: He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity. Different animal. Really?  To whom was he addressing the comment?  Was it the tooth fairy? she obviously didn't read the article. ;D ;D ;D ;D You couldn't work it out for yourself either hey?   ::) First base in the whole post was that he was insensitive to people who have been molested and you didn't know that fact from the start. That's 10 minutes of my life I won't be getting back. ;D ;D ;D He wasn't though. He denounced people who are overcome with self pity. His reference to people who have been abused was in direct reference to people wanting great works of art censored. This has been explained to you twice now. Jesus, talking about the tooth fairy, it's like pulling teeth. Love, the article was about his insensitive comments. He was blaming censorship in the arts on molestation victims who ban certain images etc. Yes. THose overcome with self pity. Keep up Hammer. Yes, and used molestation victims as an example. Anyway it's a bloody stupid argument from the start. A while back he did a show on homophobia. If he wants total freedom of expression then I hope he won't mind a 10 foot high canvas with P O O F T E R painted in pink painted across it. Molestation victims who reside in a place of self pity. It is an important distinction. One that Aussie did not make in his thread title and opening post. THAT is what i am arguing. So he believes some self pitying molestation victims and other self pitiers are complaining and getting cutting edged art banned? :-? Not just cutting edge art. THe old classics too. Like people complaining about Macbeth or Medea banned because they contain child murder.

That's not only quite nasty and insensitive but insane. And  you agree with this rubbish?

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:58pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:56pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:52pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:49pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:45pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:42pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:39pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:37pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:33pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:30pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:26pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:03pm: He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity. Different animal. Really?  To whom was he addressing the comment?  Was it the tooth fairy? she obviously didn't read the article. ;D ;D ;D ;D You couldn't work it out for yourself either hey?   ::) First base in the whole post was that he was insensitive to people who have been molested and you didn't know that fact from the start. That's 10 minutes of my life I won't be getting back. ;D ;D ;D He wasn't though. He denounced people who are overcome with self pity. His reference to people who have been abused was in direct reference to people wanting great works of art censored. This has been explained to you twice now. Jesus, talking about the tooth fairy, it's like pulling teeth. Love, the article was about his insensitive comments. He was blaming censorship in the arts on molestation victims who ban certain images etc. Yes. THose overcome with self pity. Keep up Hammer. Yes, and used molestation victims as an example. Anyway it's a bloody stupid argument from the start. A while back he did a show on homophobia. If he wants total freedom of expression then I hope he won't mind a 10 foot high canvas with P O O F T E R painted in pink painted across it. Molestation victims who reside in a place of self pity. It is an important distinction. One that Aussie did not make in his thread title and opening post. THAT is what i am arguing. So he believes some self pitying molestation victims and other self pitiers are complaining and getting cutting edged art banned? :-? Not just cutting edge art. THe old classics too. Like people complaining about Macbeth or Medea banned because they contain child murder. That's not only quite nasty and insensitive but insane. And  you agree with this rubbish?

Not in the slightest. On that issue, i agree with Stephen Fry.

I disagree with him on being contemptuous of people who are labouring under self pity. I'm more inclined to feel very sorry for them.

... wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:58pm:

Nothing wrong with what he said.  Nothing at all. The only thing amusing about this is that he was the beneficiary of the victimhood-industrial complex a year or so ago when he wed his boyfriend, but now he's become a victim of it.

He did a show on homophobia where he travelled around the world talking to gay people who have been abused (the same people Fry thinks are self pitiers). Then he gets depressed from these stories and tries to kill himself, which he then tells the world. And now he says this stuff. What a f a rking hypocrite. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 8:01pm:

... wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:58pm: Nothing wrong with what he said.  Nothing at all. The only thing amusing about this is that he was the beneficiary of the victimhood-industrial complex a year or so ago when he wed his boyfriend, but now he's become a victim of it.  He did a show on homophobia where he travelled around the world talking to gay people who have been abused (the same people Fry thinks are self pitiers). Then he gets depressed from these stories and tries to kill himself, which he then tells the world. And now he says this stuff. What a f a rking hypocrite. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Hammer. Focus.

Fry did NOT say people who had been abused were self pitiers. He said self pitiers were self pitiers.

It's Aussie who's thrown a cat amongst the pigeons by conflating them.

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 8:00pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:58pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:56pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:52pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:49pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:45pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:42pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:39pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:37pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:33pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:30pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:26pm: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 7:03pm: He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity. Different animal. Really?  To whom was he addressing the comment?  Was it the tooth fairy? she obviously didn't read the article. ;D ;D ;D ;D You couldn't work it out for yourself either hey?   ::) First base in the whole post was that he was insensitive to people who have been molested and you didn't know that fact from the start. That's 10 minutes of my life I won't be getting back. ;D ;D ;D He wasn't though. He denounced people who are overcome with self pity. His reference to people who have been abused was in direct reference to people wanting great works of art censored. This has been explained to you twice now. Jesus, talking about the tooth fairy, it's like pulling teeth. Love, the article was about his insensitive comments. He was blaming censorship in the arts on molestation victims who ban certain images etc. Yes. THose overcome with self pity. Keep up Hammer. Yes, and used molestation victims as an example. Anyway it's a bloody stupid argument from the start. A while back he did a show on homophobia. If he wants total freedom of expression then I hope he won't mind a 10 foot high canvas with P O O F T E R painted in pink painted across it. Molestation victims who reside in a place of self pity. It is an important distinction. One that Aussie did not make in his thread title and opening post. THAT is what i am arguing. So he believes some self pitying molestation victims and other self pitiers are complaining and getting cutting edged art banned? :-? Not just cutting edge art. THe old classics too. Like people complaining about Macbeth or Medea banned because they contain child murder. That's not only quite nasty and insensitive but insane. And  you agree with this rubbish? Not in the slightest. On that issue, i agree with Stephen Fry. I disagree with him on being contemptuous of people who are labouring under self pity. I'm more inclined to feel very sorry for them.

So you agree with Fry that self pitiers are destroying freedom of expression but you don't like the disrespect he shows towards these people? How?

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 8:07pm:

Not in the slightest. On that issue, i agree with Stephen Fry. I disagree with him on being contemptuous of people who are labouring under self pity. I'm more inclined to feel very sorry for them.

So you agree with Fry that self pitiers are destroying freedom of expression but you don't like the disrespect he shows towards these people? How?
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I didn't say i didn't approve of the disrespect. I merely said i am more inclined to sympathy/empathy than contempt.

I think their ideas should be fought vigorously.

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 8:10pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 8:07pm: Not in the slightest. On that issue, i agree with Stephen Fry. I disagree with him on being contemptuous of people who are labouring under self pity. I'm more inclined to feel very sorry for them. So you agree with Fry that self pitiers are destroying freedom of expression but you don't like the disrespect he shows towards these people? How?

I didn't say i didn't approve of the disrespect. I merely said i am more inclined to sympathy/empathy than contempt.

I think their ideas should be fought vigorously.
[/quote]But how can you say you agree with Fry and not agree with the backbone of his argument? I don't understand you.

I'm going offline for a while. I've just experienced a total mind f a rk.  :-/ :-/

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 8:12pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 8:10pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 8:07pm: Not in the slightest. On that issue, i agree with Stephen Fry. I disagree with him on being contemptuous of people who are labouring under self pity. I'm more inclined to feel very sorry for them. So you agree with Fry that self pitiers are destroying freedom of expression but you don't like the disrespect he shows towards these people? How? I didn't say i didn't approve of the disrespect. I merely said i am more inclined to sympathy/empathy than contempt. I think their ideas should be fought vigorously.

But how can you say you agree with Fry and not agree with the backbone of his argument? I don't understand you.
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Hammer, what do you define as the "backbone" of his argument ... that i am not agreeing with?

Still haven't recovered Hammer?