The Game:

How can Islam be a bad religion if it is growing so fast?  Doesn’t this mean that it is actually a truthful religion, since so many are accepting it?

The Truth:

In the first place, the truth of an idea or doctrine is never established by mere belief or majority opinion.  Up until the last hundred years or so, the vast majority of people on our planet did not even believe that they were on a planet.  Nor did they believe that the earth was spinning at a thousand miles an hour or hurtling around the sun at 67,000 miles an hour.  Does this mean that the earth wasn’t doing these things up until people believed that it was?

Secondly, Islam is not "growing faster" than other religions because of conversion, but because the birthrate among Muslims is significantly higher than it is among nominal Christians and others, particularly in the West.  Kids can be raised to believe in just about anything, so growth from a higher birthrate hardly constitutes any sort of genuine accomplishment.

A 2011 Pew Research study of global Muslim growth rates concluded that there is "no net growth through conversion", meaning that for every person who "embraces" Islam (usually a woman who changes her identification after marrying a Muslim man), there is at least one other who is willing to leave the faith despite harsh consequences.

Of the so-called “converts” from other religions, only a miniscule number were active believers.  Nearly all are just people who had no real faith to convert from – regardless of their nominal designation.  In the West and other parts of the non-Muslim world in which all religions are allowed to compete equally, such people experiencing a spiritual awakening are far more likely to turn to Christianity than Islam.

This leads to our most important point, which is that decent Muslims should feel a sense of embarrassment rather than pride over the rules they have to impose to maintain Islam's status as the "fastest growing religion."  In truth, it speaks more to the insecurity that Muslims have about their religion - and the banal immaturity of Islam compared with other faiths.

Let’s say that you are playing chess with a 6-year-old boy.  Instead of following the same set of rules, however, the child is allowed to make up rules that are preferential to himself.  One of the rules, he decide, is that you aren’t allowed to make any moves on his half of the board, but he is allowed to make moves on yours.  Another might be that it is impossible for any of his pieces to be taken.

Now, if the child is winning the game – which is assured by the conditions that he has imposed - is it really something in which he can truly take pride?

The rules that Muslims impose on the “conversion game” are almost exactly like this chess analogy.  Other religions are not allowed to operate in Islam’s own territory (ie. preaching their faith and evangelizing) as Muslims are in others.  Neither is conversion away from Islam allowed – on penalty of death.

In the Muslim world, Christians who evangelize are imprisoned, assaulted, beaten, set on fire, shot, bludgeoned, and tortured by Islamists.  Missionaries are raped and killed.  Former Muslims who embrace Christianity as their religion of choice are thrown in jail along with their children, sexually assaulted, crippled, hanged, stoned, stabbed, dismembered, carved up, scalded, beheaded, poisoned, brutalized, doused with acid, burned alive and publicly executed...

...and Muslims brag that their religion is growing faster!

Muslims who gloat over their “fast growing" religion are no different than the child from our example who deludes himself into thinking that he is smarter and better for “beating” a much wiser adult in a game played under manufactured conditions that render the artificial “victory” entirely meaningless.

So the more pertinent question isn't which religion is growing faster, but which is growing faster where people are free to choose.  In this environment, Christianity (and even 'non-belief in any religion') win easily.  Converts are even won in Muslim countries under draconian conditions that Muslim evangelists never have to face anywhere on the planet.  When was the last time a person was killed or tortured merely for embracing Islam?

Islam has been playing by these rules since its inception.  It is unlikely that Muslims will soon develop the maturity and confidence in Islam to lift the shameful restrictions to which it owes its artificial success, nor risk competition with other faiths on a level playing field.

As was first mentioned, the truth of a belief or creed is never established by how many followers it has (by that standard, Christianity would be true).  But when a religion has to be supported by double standards, death threats and violence there is all the more reason to doubt its veracity.

The Islamic religion has a long history of myth making. The claim they are the fastest growing religion in the world is pure myth. We have collected the latest statistics from David A. Barrett's huge two volume, "World Christian Encyclopedia", the 2001 AD edition. In case you haven't heard of this work, it is the world standard for religious statistics.

Muslim's claim that their growth rate is 235 percent and 47 percent for Christianity. This statistic came from the Readers Digest Almanac and Yearbook 1983, and represents 235 percent increase over 50 years. Muslims always leave off the 50 year fact to make it appear they are going 235% every year. A simple review of the readers Digest study shows that the growth rate of Islam vs. Christianity is directly linked to the birth rate in Third World countries where Islam dominates and not actual conversions to each religion. Christianity has always been larger than Islam. These statistics from Readers Digest are over 20 years old. Further, we do not consider readers digest to be an authority on such matters. Why will Muslims not quote real authoritative statistics from certified research groups who show Islam is not the fastest growing religion in 3/4's of the worlds countries.

1.   There are over a billion Muslims in the world today, including 3 to 5 million in the U.S., making it the second most populous religion on earth after Christianity. According to some estimates, Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the world. (The Joy of Sects, Peter Occhigrosso, 1996, p394-397)

2.    Islam is the religion which has developed from the preaching and life of Muhammad, a citizen of the city of Mecca in Arabia, who early in the seventh century of the Christian Era appeared as a preacher of monotheism to his own people and founded a religious movement which today counts perhaps as many as 300,000,000 followers, mostly in the heat belt from Indonesia to Morocco. (Islam: Muhammad and His Religion, Arthur Jeffery, 1958, p xi-xiv)

Before we examine the true facts from informed statisticians, we want to make it clear that we are not claiming Christianity is the fastest growing religion on earth. Such a claim is a needless as it is irresponsible. Having said this, in terms of sheer numbers, there are more Christians being added to planet earth, than any other religion on earth, including Islam. (see Table 1-2 for proof.)

Relative size and growth of Islam to Christianity:

    From Table 1-1, there are 1.9 Billion Christians making up 31% of the world population, whereas there are only 1.2 Billion Muslims making up only 20% of the population. It seems that Allah's little trick by making Judas appear like Jesus, so Jesus could escape crucifixion and Judas was crucified in his place, kind of backfired, since 31% of the world's population never learned Allah played a trick and really believes that Jesus not only died, but was raised from the dead! This should be most troubling for Muslims to think that "Allah's deception" (Qur'an 4:156) actually became the world's largest religion!

    From Table 1-1, the relative growth rates of Islam to Christianity are compiled from data that ended the very year before the great terrorist attacks of 911 against the world trade towers in 2001 and the train bomb in Spain in 2004. Statisticians are predicting that Islamic motivated terrorism will last the decade and bring Islam into great disrepute with the world population. This will have a very strong dampening effect on the long term predicted Islamic growth rates for the years 2025 and 2050.

    From Table 1-1 you can see that the world growth rate of Muslims is 2.13, and for Christians it is 1.36. A closer look reveals, however that the birth rate of Muslims world wide, is literally double that of Christians. This is due to the fact that Muslims are largest in the developing world where dirt floors, thatched roofs and large families are common. When you the actual conversion rate, where men chose their religion, rather then are born into it, you can see that Christians are converting, on a percentage basis, almost twice as many as Muslims (1.7:1). This means that individual Christians are out converting Muslims almost two to one! What this means, is that as third world Muslim controlled countries gain the advantages of education and technology found in the Western world, their birth rate will drop off to match that of the West, but Christians will still continue to out convert them at a rate of 1.7:1.

     

                                Total adherents             New from conversion          Number of adherents to make
                                                                                                        one new convert:

Muslims                      1,188,242,789                        865,558                             1,372

Christians                   1,999,563,838                      2,501,396                               799


From Table 1-1 you can see that while Muslims claim they are the fastest growing religion in the world (2.13), the statistics say that Baha'is are growing at a faster rate (2.28) and faster still are Zoroastrians (2.65).

From Table 1-1 regarding world distribution, you can see that Islam is only in 204 of the worlds 238 countries. Christianity, on the other hand is in all 238 countries of the world. Christianity has a 100% penetration rate world wide!

From Table 1-2, you can see that presently every 24 hours, the world population of Christians increases by 69,000, whereas there are only 68,000 Muslims. The only reason Muslims are anywhere near Christians is because of higher birth rates in the parts of the world where Muslims are largest. The vast majority of the 69,000 Christians will be educated, whereas the majority of the 68,000 Muslims will be illiterate peasants without clean drinking water.

From Table 1-4, you can see the relative growth rates of Christianity vs. Islam broken down into 6 continents. In each of the 6 continents, Christianity enjoys a wider distribution of countries.

From Table 1-4 the continent "Africa" we observe that Christianity slightly larger but is growing at a much faster rate than Islam. Although the birth rates are about identical, individual Christians are making twice as many converts as Muslims. In the African continent, Christians are both the largest and fastest growing in relation to Islam.

From Table 1-4 the continent "Asia" we observe that although Islam is 25% and Christianity is only 10% of the population, again Christianity is growing at a must fast rate. Even the Jews are growing at a faster rate (2.99) than the Muslims in Asia! While birth rates for Muslims are higher than Christians, individual Christians are 13 times more effective at making new converts than Muslims. In the Asian continent, Christians are growing faster than Muslims.

From Table 1-4 the continent "Europe" we observe that while Muslims are growing faster than Christians, Buddhists claim the prize for the fastest growing religion at a rate of 1.39. Muslims make up only 5% of the population in Europe and most of the Muslim growth in Europe is from immigration. Although 77% of Europeans are Christians, Buddhists, not Muslims, are the fastest growing religion in the continent of Europe.

From Table 1-4 the continent "Latin America" that we observe that while Muslims (1.99) are growing faster than Christians (1.63), they make up only 1/3 of 1% (.3%) of the population, whereas Christians are 92 % of the population. The down trend in Christianity conversion is mainly defects from Catholics to non-religious. It must be troubling for Muslims to know that although they are growing faster than Christians, Baha'is are growing much faster than Muslims at a rate of 2.87! In the Latin American continent, Christians make up 93% of the population. Although tiny Islam is fastest growing faster than Christianity, it is the Baha'is, who take the prize for fastest growing the Latin America.

From Table 1-4 the continent "North America" we observe that while Muslims are growing faster than Christians, they make up only 4% of the population, whereas 84% are Christians. Most of the Muslim growth in North America is from immigration. Canada alone immigrates more Muslims apart from the USA, to account for almost all the growth in all of North America every year! It sure must be a hollow boast for Muslims to claim they are the fastest growing religion in North America, when it is because of the kindness and generosity of Christians who let them immigrate, often fleeing the persecution between hostile Muslim sects. There are still 50% more Jews in North America than Muslims in 2004. Muslims lie when they tell you they are the fastest growing (1.56) religion in North America. From Table 1-4, we can see that they are no better than 5th place in growth behind: Atheists (3.51), Hindus (3.13), Sikhs (2.81), Buddhists (2.75), Baha'is (2.25). We tire of the lies and myth making of Islamic spin doctors.

Muslims claim they are the fastest growing religion in Canada, based upon the National Census: 1971: 33,000; 1981: 98,000; 1991: 253,000. But from Table 1-4 shows that there were less than 11,000 Muslims in Canada in 1900! Sure on a purely statistical basis, dividing the small initial numbers by those added by immigration, they come out on top, but that's because of the kindness of the Christians who let them into their country! It is a myth that Muslims are converting any measurable numbers of non-Muslims. The most common reason somone converts to Islam is through marriage. These same individuals would have converted to be Jews or Christians, if that was their new spouses religion.

From Table 1-4 the continent "Oceania" we observe that Christians represent 83% of the population and Muslims are a miniscule 1%.Yet the facts are that in Oceania, Muslims are indeed growing at a fast rate than Christians at 3.04. But the fastest growing religion is "new-religionists" at a staggering rate of 9.02, followed by Buddhists at 5.19, then Sikhs at 3.55, then Zoroastrians at 3.18. Muslims are no better than the 5th fastest growing religion in Oceania!


Conclusion:

1.  There are more new Christians added to the world population than any other religion on earth every day. This data makes the entire discussion about "rates of growth" irrelevant. The fact is today, that Christianity is the fastest growing religion on this most critical basis. This may change, but today, in 2004 AD, Christians take the prize for being the fastest growing religion.
2.  On none of the 6 continents are Muslims the fastest growing religion.
3.  That Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world is pure myth at best and at worst a deliberate deception of solid statistical facts.

Another good read : -

ISLAM THE WORLDS FASTEST SHRINKING RELIGION

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/07/islam-fastest-shrinking-religion-in-the-world

Smell the irrational fear.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 11:25pm:

Smell the irrational fear.

It's palpable, isn't it?

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 11:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 11:25pm: Smell the irrational fear. It's palpable, isn't it?

James need to change his underwear.

How embarrassing for him.

from op



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...................From Table 1-2, you can see that presently every 24 hours, the world population of Christians increases by 69,000, whereas there are only 68,000 Muslims. The only reason Muslims are anywhere near Christians is because of higher birth rates in the parts of the world where Muslims are largest. The vast majority of the 69,000 Christians will be educated, whereas the majority of the 68,000 Muslims will be illiterate peasants without clean drinking water.

yes, and they still buy guns and make bombs.

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 11:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 11:25pm: Smell the irrational fear. It's palpable, isn't it?

Great honesty coming from you two, every night you are on here absolutely terrified of upsetting islamists. At least you're both honest to talk about your islamophobia like that.

Now scoot, you better run off and promote islamic rights for women right after you quote the verse in the quran that states you can hit them. Oh and don't forget to ignore all those women abused by islam.

Now off you run you two.

*Pats little peccer on the head*

Sir James wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 12:34am:

mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 11:26pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 11:25pm: Smell the irrational fear. It's palpable, isn't it? Great honesty coming from you two, every night you are on here absolutely terrified of upsetting islamists. At least you're both honest to talk about your islamophobia like that. Now scoot, you better run off and promote islamic rights for women right after you quote the verse in the quran that states you can hit them. Oh and don't forget to ignore all those women abused by islam. Now off you run you two. *Pats little peccer on the head*

I'm strongly opposed to Islamists.

What else have you got?

mothra wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 12:41am:

Sir James wrote on Apr 13th, 2016 at 12:34am: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 11:26pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 11:25pm: Smell the irrational fear. It's palpable, isn't it? Great honesty coming from you two, every night you are on here absolutely terrified of upsetting islamists. At least you're both honest to talk about your islamophobia like that. Now scoot, you better run off and promote islamic rights for women right after you quote the verse in the quran that states you can hit them. Oh and don't forget to ignore all those women abused by islam. Now off you run you two. *Pats little peccer on the head* I'm strongly opposed to Islamists. What else have you got?

I got some porky pies would you like some more ?

Sir James wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 12:43am:

mothra wrote on Apr 13th, 2016 at 12:41am: Sir James wrote on Apr 13th, 2016 at 12:34am: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 11:26pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 11:25pm: Smell the irrational fear. It's palpable, isn't it? Great honesty coming from you two, every night you are on here absolutely terrified of upsetting islamists. At least you're both honest to talk about your islamophobia like that. Now scoot, you better run off and promote islamic rights for women right after you quote the verse in the quran that states you can hit them. Oh and don't forget to ignore all those women abused by islam. Now off you run you two. *Pats little peccer on the head* I'm strongly opposed to Islamists. What else have you got? I got some porky pies would you like some more ?

Nope.

We've seen enough of your lies, thank you.

They dont like facts and information James, it detracts from their snide one liners.

Sorry about this trolls, more actual facts.

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Amid all the news about Islam's gains around the world, here is some startling news you've probably never heard: In Indonesia—the most populous Muslim nation—2 million Muslims are converting to Christianity per year. That's right. That's one new convert every 15 seconds. At this rate, Indonesia will be mostly Christian by 2035. Some Muslims are so alarmed they've created a video on YouTube to alert other Muslims to this menace and are trying to raise $2 million to start a TV station aimed at Muslim youth to keep them in Islam.

http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/49079-can-this-be-true-2-million-indonesian-muslims-find-jesus-per-year

"actual facts" eh Ian?  ;D

Your realise the sole source of that claim is a youtube video that makes flawed projections that have easily been debunked using actual census data?

ian wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 11:59am:

They dont like facts and information James, it detracts from their snide one liners.

I do. The article makes some sense, even if it is from Jihadwatch. I'm not sure though. James hasn't referenced it.

I never take Jihadwatch seriously - it's a site who's sole purpose is to bring down Islam. This article has some good facts though. The Pew research is quite good.

Religions aren't "good" just because they grow in numbers. I'd actually say the opposite is true. Growth comes from seduction. I believe the biggest growing Christian movement is Pentecostalism, and this is successful because it preaches "prosperity doctrine": Christian self-help techniques to become rich. Modern Pentecostalism is, in all effect, a creed of materialism.

The best versions of religion aren't popular. This is because the teachings of the great spiritual leaders are hard to practice. It's not easy to love thine enemy, for example. It's not easy to practice mindfulness, or fast, or even to live simply in the modern world. The values of our society are comfort, physical pleasure, and self-centeredness (greed is good).

We're also seduced into hatefulness and spite. This is an age-old human trait - an age-old animal trait. The difference today is its exploitation by tabloid and social media. Just as jihadists are recruited by social media, we're recruited to hate the Muselman on sites like this. A number of posters here have this as their very purpose for being here.

This mindset is not conducive to a spiritual life. Jihadists and Islamophobes alike will not find peace. If a religion preaches hatred or smug superiority, it's not "good". Those that preach humility, compassion and self awareness don't get too many converts.

And that's just life.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 12:44pm:

"actual facts" eh Ian?  ;D Your realise the sole source of that claim is a youtube video that makes flawed projections that have easily been debunked using actual census data?

Lol a muslim rant site.

ian wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 11:59am:

They dont like facts and information James, it detracts from their snide one liners.

And rant sites. It's hilarious to see trying to twist the truth with more lies..

Sir James wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 1:24pm:

ian wrote on Apr 13th, 2016 at 11:59am: They dont like facts and information James, it detracts from their snide one liners. And rant sites. It's hilarious to see trying to twist the truth with more lies..

Rant sites? Where's your OP come from, Matty?

I'm curious.

I'll be right back once I can get by this stampede of people rushing to the local mosque joining islam ;D ;D ;D ;D

By the way I am not your beloved matty princess. I hope you find your true love. He sounds like a great guy.

Sir James wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 1:56pm:

I'll be right back once I can get by this stampede of people rushing to the local mosque joining islam ;D ;D ;D ;D

No worries, Matty. You come right back and provide a link to your article. We'll have a little look-see.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 12:44pm:

"actual facts" eh Ian?  ;D Your realise the sole source of that claim is a youtube video that makes flawed projections that have easily been debunked using actual census data?

Incorrect. All I did was use the most convenient link. Theres no secret to these statistics, they were reported in the Indo media last time I was there with much discussion. In fact the rate of Christian converts is under reported because many hide their faith in order  to progress in their employment. Heres a wiki article regarding Christian  converts in 3rd world countries. Its evident  Islam is not the fasted growing religion, Christianity is.

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According to 2011 Pew Research Center survey, there are 2.2 billion Christians around the world in 2010,[54] up from about 600 million in 1910.[54] And according to 2012 Pew Research Center survey if current trends continue, Christianity will remain the world's largest religion by year 2050.[54] By 2050, the Christian population is expected to exceed 3 billion.[54] According to a 2005 paper submitted to a meeting of the American Political Science Association, most of Christianity's growth has occurred in non-Western countries. The paper concludes that the Pentecostalism movement is the fastest-growing religion worldwide.[55] The US Department of State estimated in 2005 that Protestants in Vietnam may have grown by 600% over the previous 10 years.[56] In Nigeria, the percentage of Christians has grown from 21.4% in 1953 to 50.8% in 2010.[54] In South Korea, Christianity has grown from 20.7% in 1985 to 29.3% in 2010.[54] In Singapore the percentage of Christians among Singaporeans increased from 12.7% in 1990 to 17.5% in 2010.[57] In recent years, the number of Chinese Christians has increased significantly; Christians were 4 million before 1949 (3 million Catholics and 1 million Protestants), and are reaching 67 million today.[54][58] Evangelical Christian denominations are among the fastest-growing denominations in some Catholic Christian countries, such as Brazil and France.[59][60] In Brazil, the total number of Protestants jumped from 16.2% in 2000[61] to 22.2% in 2010 (for the first time, the percentage of Catholics in Brazil is less than 70%). These cases don't contribute to a growth of Christianity overall, but rather to a substitution of a brand of Christianity with another one. According to the records of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, its membership has grown every decade since its beginning in the 1830s,[62] that it is among the top ten largest Christian denominations in the U.S.,[63] and that it was the fastest growing church in the U.S. in 2012.[64] According to 2015 Believers in Christ from a Muslim Background: A Global Census study estimates 10,283,700 Muslim convert to Christianity around the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_of_religion

Karnal wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 2:04pm:

Sir James wrote on Apr 13th, 2016 at 1:56pm: I'll be right back once I can get by this stampede of people rushing to the local mosque joining islam ;D ;D ;D ;D No worries, Matty. You come right back and provide a link to your article. We'll have a little look-see.

Did matty steal your burqa and leave you standing at the mosque on your wedding(enslavery) day ? ;D :D :D ;D

Karnal wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 2:04pm:

Sir James wrote on Apr 13th, 2016 at 1:56pm: I'll be right back once I can get by this stampede of people rushing to the local mosque joining islam ;D ;D ;D ;D No worries, Matty. You come right back and provide a link to your article. We'll have a little look-see.

Why is he so reluctant to cite a reference?

What's he hiding?

I think matty pinched kamals burqa on their special day.

Karnal wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 2:04pm:

Sir James wrote on Apr 13th, 2016 at 1:56pm: I'll be right back once I can get by this stampede of people rushing to the local mosque joining islam ;D ;D ;D ;D No worries, Matty. You come right back and provide a link to your article. We'll have a little look-see.

They have a policy on that sort of thing, Karnal.

"Why don't you provide links?

"Quite frankly, it would be a nightmare to keep up with.  Links change or disappear over time".

Ah.

Worth a  read

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From the heart of a Muslim - Tawfik Hamid I was born a Muslim and lived all my life as a follower of Islam. After the barbaric terrorist attacks done by the hands of my fellow Muslims everywhere on this globe, and after the too many violent acts by Islamists in many parts of the world, I feel responsible as a Muslim and as a human being, to speak out and tell the truth to protect the world and Muslims as well from a coming catastrophe and war of civilizations. I have to admit that our current Islamic teaching creates violence and hatred toward Non-Muslims. We Muslims are the ones who need to change. Until now we have accepted polygamy, the beating of women by men, and killing those who convert from Islam to other religions. We have never had a clear and strong stand against the concept of slavery or wars, to spread our religion and to subjugate others to Islam and force them to pay a humiliating tax called Jizia. We ask others to respect our religion while all the time we curse non-Muslims loudly (in Arabic) in our Friday prayers in the Mosques.

http://sate-muslim.blogspot.com.au/2010/05/from-heart-of-muslim-tawfik-hamid.html#more

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 2:17pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 13th, 2016 at 2:04pm: Sir James wrote on Apr 13th, 2016 at 1:56pm: I'll be right back once I can get by this stampede of people rushing to the local mosque joining islam ;D ;D ;D ;D No worries, Matty. You come right back and provide a link to your article. We'll have a little look-see. Why is he so reluctant to cite a reference? What's he hiding?

He said he's waiting for the crowd to pass, Greggery.

Matty, any chance you could do it on your phone while you're waiting?

ian wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 2:07pm:

Incorrect. All I did was use the most convenient link. Theres no secret to these statistics

They are not statistics Ian, its a dodgy guess based on a 2009 projection which itself proved to be wrong. There is only one source claiming these figures - a muslim activist group who made the claim in a youtube video. Your own article doesn't even state is as fact, but references the claim in the video and poses the question "Can This Be True?" Anyone who has actually bothered to scrutinise the basis of the claim knows its complete rubbish - even your own article mentions the refutations. Actual census data shows the growth to be around 500k per year - at most.

Karnal wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 2:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 13th, 2016 at 2:17pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 13th, 2016 at 2:04pm: Sir James wrote on Apr 13th, 2016 at 1:56pm: I'll be right back once I can get by this stampede of people rushing to the local mosque joining islam ;D ;D ;D ;D No worries, Matty. You come right back and provide a link to your article. We'll have a little look-see. Why is he so reluctant to cite a reference? What's he hiding? He said he's waiting for the crowd to pass, Greggery. Matty, any chance you could do it on your phone while you're waiting?

Maybe we could email him: thereligionofpeace@yahoo.com

Karnal wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 2:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 13th, 2016 at 2:17pm: Karnal wrote on Apr 13th, 2016 at 2:04pm: Sir James wrote on Apr 13th, 2016 at 1:56pm: I'll be right back once I can get by this stampede of people rushing to the local mosque joining islam ;D ;D ;D ;D No worries, Matty. You come right back and provide a link to your article. We'll have a little look-see. Why is he so reluctant to cite a reference? What's he hiding? He said he's waiting for the crowd to pass, Greggery. Matty, any chance you could do it on your phone while you're waiting?

Have you tried texting matty instead of mattsurbating publicly every time you disagree with someones posts. :D

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 2:57pm:

ian wrote on Apr 13th, 2016 at 2:07pm: Incorrect. All I did was use the most convenient link. Theres no secret to these statistics They are not statistics Ian, its a dodgy guess based on a 2009 projection which itself proved to be wrong. There is only one source claiming these figures - a muslim activist group who made the claim in a youtube video. Your own article doesn't even state is as fact, but references the claim in the video and poses the question "Can This Be True?" Anyone who has actually bothered to scrutinise the basis of the claim knows its complete rubbish - even your own article mentions the refutations. Actual census data shows the growth to be around 500k per year - at most.

Well there you go ian a muslm has told you the statistics are all wrong, golly gosh they must be. They would all be right if they swung islams way however. ;D ;D ;D

Gotta love em. Well no you don't , but any way.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 2:57pm:

ian wrote on Apr 13th, 2016 at 2:07pm: Incorrect. All I did was use the most convenient link. Theres no secret to these statistics They are not statistics Ian, its a dodgy guess based on a 2009 projection which itself proved to be wrong. There is only one source claiming these figures - a muslim activist group who made the claim in a youtube video. Your own article doesn't even state is as fact, but references the claim in the video and poses the question "Can This Be True?" Anyone who has actually bothered to scrutinise the basis of the claim knows its complete rubbish - even your own article mentions the refutations. Actual census data shows the growth to be around 500k per year - at most.

Show the data then.