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Title: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by Greens_Win on Apr 18th, 2016 at 7:58pm
Greens can offer an ethical and progressive agenda for the currently undecided voters.
A National ICAC, A Strong Renewable Energy Agenda, Under 1.5 Degrees in Dangerous Global Heating Policies, Ethical treatment towards the most vulnerable Australians and Refugees. and so much more ... http://greens.org.au/policy Compared with the other parties, Greens have more to offer the currently undecided voters. And the past too show ~ What Greens commit to before an election, they carry out after the election. |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by Leftwinger on Apr 18th, 2016 at 8:08pm
Dinatalie was excellent today , well done .
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Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by John Smith on Apr 18th, 2016 at 8:28pm ____ wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 7:58pm:
they can ... but if they're true to form, they won't |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by The Grappler on Apr 18th, 2016 at 8:47pm
Ethical is signing up with whatever party will offer them the most chance at seats, regardless of principle?
I am not persuaded.... double my pension, apologise for past wrongs,and set restitution in place via public apology and compensation for direct loss .. and then we can talk. |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by Greens_Win on Apr 18th, 2016 at 8:53pm John Smith wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 8:28pm:
We are talking Greens, not the ALP. i.e There Will Be No Carbon Tax |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by John Smith on Apr 18th, 2016 at 9:05pm ____ wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 8:53pm:
really? you want to bring up a greens policy as your argument? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by sir prince duke alevine on Apr 18th, 2016 at 9:17pm ____ wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 7:58pm:
The regressive left represented by the greens offers nothing of value, and no reasonable solutions to Australia's issues. Best thing to happen would be to see the greens obliterated. What a pathetic party of no vision and massive stupidity. |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by Greens_Win on Apr 18th, 2016 at 9:20pm John Smith wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 9:05pm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApCwoj35d3M |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by Greens_Win on Apr 18th, 2016 at 9:22pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 9:17pm:
Spoken like a rusted on labor supporter. Your post is unsubstantiated and anti democratic. See you are not interested in winning over any undecided readers. |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by sir prince duke alevine on Apr 18th, 2016 at 9:24pm ____ wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 9:22pm:
Not a labor supporter. Each time you need to be reminded of this? What part of "the greens do not represent the true liberal left" is hard to understand? Your party and its core values are anti democratic and completely regressive to the ideals of the left. If you don't understand this then please stop pretending to be politically active. |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by John Smith on Apr 18th, 2016 at 9:27pm ____ wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 9:20pm:
are you channeling armpit? |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by Leftwinger on Apr 18th, 2016 at 9:27pm ____ wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 9:20pm:
Cmon greens you sound like one of those perennial imbeciles we encounter daily on here from the right when you post that video up , you know the video isn't complete and she said she would put a price on carbon |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by The Mechanic on Apr 18th, 2016 at 9:28pm ____ wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 7:58pm:
oh boy.. that's just too much.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by Greens_Win on Apr 18th, 2016 at 9:33pm President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 9:28pm:
An unfair advantage for the Greens ? Oh well. Turnbull might not be as dishonest as Abbott was, last election. No cuts to the ABC + SBS etc etc. |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by Dnarever on Apr 18th, 2016 at 9:44pm ____ wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 8:53pm:
The Fixed carbon price was Green policy and only technically a tax. It didn't work like a tax and was nothing like the carbon tax Abbott had suggested. In fact the fixed carbon price was by far the best solution to the carbon dioxide emissions issue, far better than the very corruptible carbon trading options. |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by Dnarever on Apr 18th, 2016 at 9:47pm ____ wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 7:58pm:
How ethical was it to push Gillard into breaking her no carbon tax commitment ? How ethical to abandon their green policies in grubby preference deals with the Lieberals ? |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by Greens_Win on Apr 18th, 2016 at 9:50pm
The issue being discussed was ethical
Labor, like the coalition, break election promises and execute first term leaders. What the two olds try and sell the undecided voters for your vote ... will likely be dumped the other side of the election. Greens are the ethical party. |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by Greens_Win on Apr 18th, 2016 at 9:55pm Dnarever wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 9:47pm:
Greens didn't push Gillard. Labor were desperate for power. As for preference deals, Labor preferencing away from the Greens in the Liberal held seats like Higgins ... a seat Greens could take from the Libs ... Labor are planning on doing the same thing in other Melbourne seats. Labor's grubby deal with the Libs? Voters reject Labor MP push to preference Liberals: poll Labor voters in Michael Danby's Melbourne Ports have rejected his push to preference the Liberals ahead of the Greens in the marginal seat, according to a new poll. http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/voters-reject-labor-mp-push-to-preference-liberals-poll-20160413-go53na.html |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by John Smith on Apr 18th, 2016 at 9:59pm Its time wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 9:27pm:
and what is the difference between them and greenswin? the greens and the rightards are like two peas in a pod ... technically different but in reality they are the same. |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by John Smith on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:00pm ____ wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 9:55pm:
it was one of the conditions the greens imposed upon labor in exchange for the greens support. you're an idiot if you are now going to pretend it wasn't greens policy |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by Dnarever on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:02pm ____ wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 9:55pm:
Considering that he was elected on Liberal preferences it is rather large slice of hypocrisy to expect Labor preferences. |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by Greens_Win on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:03pm John Smith wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 9:59pm:
Boo Hoo. Rusted on labor posters don't like being challenged ... and shown up. |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by Greens_Win on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:05pm John Smith wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:00pm:
The Greens were not going to support the coalition. It was Labor's desperation that made Labor break another of their election promises. Labor backflipped because they are a party devoid of ethical values. |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by Leftwinger on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:07pm John Smith wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 9:59pm:
He is winding you up , as greens enjoys doing with just about every single one of his posts |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by sir prince duke alevine on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:08pm ____ wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:05pm:
Ethical values?? Your party supports human shields and children being taught to kill!! Your party supports women being flogged for being raped. Your party supports apostates being killed. Your party has no understanding of liberal values, ethical values, or just pure sensible democratic values. Ethical values, the greens are bereft of them. |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by sir prince duke alevine on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:10pm ____ wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:05pm:
Really? As has been shown the greens do not have problems aligning themselves with coalition policies. No conviction! |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by John Smith on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:11pm ____ wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:05pm:
thats not what they were saying at the time :D :D... don't try to change history. You should own it instead of being ashamed of the greens actions |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by John Smith on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:12pm ____ wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:05pm:
you mean like a party that claims to be all about the environment voting against an ETS? they're the sorts of ethical values you hold dear? |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by Greens_Win on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:14pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:08pm:
http://greens.org.au/policy Like to point out your claims within the Greens Policies? |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by sir prince duke alevine on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:14pm John Smith wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:12pm:
Yep, the Greens ensured climate change policy debate would end up in the gutter and the result would be direct action stupidity. |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by Greens_Win on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:18pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:10pm:
Sometimes Greens and the coalition positions are similar. As we know, under 10% of the voting this term, Greens voted with the coalition. Labor on the other hand, what was their percentage of voting with the coalition ... 85%? |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by sir prince duke alevine on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:19pm ____ wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:14pm:
No surprises it resolves to a HTTP 404 error. Greens Policies - wishful thinking. The Greens support extremism and in their inability to offer proper rational thinking over political correctness on issues of terrorism, radical religion, radical nationalism, the Greens end up causing nothing but harm and murder. The regressive left is the worst thing to have happened to the world in the last 20 years. |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by sir prince duke alevine on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:20pm ____ wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:18pm:
Demonstrate the 10%. |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by Greens_Win on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:20pm John Smith wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:11pm:
Really. Perhaps you should quote your source. |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by sir prince duke alevine on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:21pm ____ wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:20pm:
Bob Brown. |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by Greens_Win on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:23pm John Smith wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:12pm:
The Labor ETS that locked in massive payouts to the big polluters and no reduction in coal pollution until after 2033? Why Greens Rejected The CPRS http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1449746328 |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by Greens_Win on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:27pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:21pm:
Adam had already committed to not supporting the coalition ... and this was prior to the hung parliament result. Labor were so desperate for power, their election promises were pulped. So what will be different this time since a hung parliament is highly likely. Will both lib and lab sell out election promises for government? |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by Greens_Win on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:36pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:20pm:
Greens voting with the coalition in the Senate this term ~ 6% http://theaimn.com/why-the-greens-did-what-they-did/ Party/Independent Voted with the Government ALP 38% GREENS 6% DAY 75% LEYONHJELM 65% WANG* (PUP) 55% MUIR 52% MADIGAN 42% LAZARUS (IND) 13% LAZARUS (PUP) 32% XENOPHON 29% LAMBIE (IND) 18% LAMBIE (PUP) 53% 6% doesn't equate to the claim of Greens being aligned to the government. |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by sir prince duke alevine on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:42pm ____ wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:36pm:
I don't want an email from DiNatalie - I want hard evidence. Show all the legislation that was voted on in the Senate, the Liberal vote, and the Greens vote. |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by John Smith on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:49pm ____ wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:18pm:
that's only because once the greens know the libs legislation will pass and they can then play the ideology card. If labor didn't support the libs on many of those issues the greens would have jumped on it. |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by Greens_Win on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:50pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:19pm:
The link works. If you can't find policies to work in with your spin, don't blame the link. |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by John Smith on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:52pm ____ wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:20pm:
the election was on the 21st ... the greens declared their support on the 1st ... what do you think they were doing for 10 days if they had already made up their mind :D :D |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by Greens_Win on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:53pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:42pm:
Do your own research. I am not here to spoon feed you. Labor voted over 600% more times with the coalition than the Greens did this term. Perhaps part of the reason undecided are undecided. Labor and Liberals are practically identical. |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by Greens_Win on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:59pm John Smith wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:52pm:
Greens didn't declare support for the ALP. They guaranteed supply and not to support a vote of no confidence in labor, unless it was brought on by the Greens. This was done for the economy and for the voters. Not because Labor were a great option. |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by John Smith on Apr 18th, 2016 at 11:00pm ____ wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:59pm:
blah blah ... they wouldn't need to wait 10 days to agree to that unless they were trying to win certain conditons :D :D :D |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by Greens_Win on Apr 18th, 2016 at 11:08pm John Smith wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:49pm:
Trying to out cods cods? |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by sir prince duke alevine on Apr 18th, 2016 at 11:09pm ____ wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 10:53pm:
why am I going to do research on your secondary evidence nonsense? You made the claim based off an email from DiNatalie - not exactly a trustworthy source from an untrustworthy character. And the reason voters may be undecided is because people like me exist who won't vote Labor or Liberal, but are also NOT regressive leftists who would support a party that promotes its support for radical religion, radical nationalism, terrorism, human shields, rape victims being flogged, etc. etc. etc. etc. Disgusting Greens. |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by Greens_Win on Apr 18th, 2016 at 11:10pm John Smith wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 11:00pm:
Whatever you want to claim matey ... if it helps you justify your alp support. |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by Greens_Win on Apr 18th, 2016 at 11:15pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 11:09pm:
An independent site posted it. Take it up with them. Also, if you are going to repeat the same mumbo jumbo ... is it because you have nothing and so have to make things up. Is Labor that hard to defend. Rhetorical ... we both know defending labor is a waste of energy. |
Title: Re: Winning Over The Undecided Voters Post by sir prince duke alevine on Apr 18th, 2016 at 11:18pm ____ wrote on Apr 18th, 2016 at 11:15pm:
Do you have ANY understanding of how to decipher the information you get? The site posted an email from DiNatalie. DiNatalie could very easily have made up the number by pulling his finger out of his ass. If you are going to spread information around use primary sources. Otherwise don't try and pass around very questionable data. And I agree, Labor are a waste of time - that's why I don't vote for them. They are almost as big a waste of time as the regressive left Greens who wish to destroy our democracy. |
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