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Title: Another partying mum - another dead kid.
Post by The Grappler on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:08pm

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/31521643/murder-accused-partied-with-victims-mother-in-the-hours-before-11-year-olds-death/

A Victorian court has heard details of the final tragic hours of murdered Wangaratta schoolgirl Zoe Buttigieg.

The 11-year-old was found dead last October, after her mother had friends over to their house for an all-night alcohol and cannabis-fuelled party.

After drinking bourbon and coke for 12 hours straight, Janelle Saunders went to bed at 7am and woke four hours later, when she discovered her daughter’s lifeless body.

Zoe had been raped and murdered.

The man accused of the horrific crimes is Bowe Maddigan.

The Wangaratta Magistrates' Court heard he'd been drinking and smoking cannabis with the schoolgirl's mother and their friends in a marathon all-night session last year.

Zoe was sleeping in the lounge room while they partied.

Ms Saunders had met 30-year-old Maddigan a week earlier through a mutual friend.

"He was full of stories and he was just rambling and rambling and you couldn't get a word in,” she told the court.

Nobody saw Maddigan in the house after 5am that morning, and only hours later he was arrested, found walking barefoot along the Hume Highway.

The court heard the committal hearing will focus on Maddigan's mental state at the time of the murder.

One police officer said he appeared dazed and his behaviour was unpredictable when he was arrested.

Another officer told the court Maddigan threw a hot coffee in his own face, then yelled, “who did that?”.

On Thursday, a psychiatrist and pathologist will give evidence, before the magistrate decides if there's enough evidence for the accused killer to stand trial.

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Title: Re: Another partying mum - another dead kid.
Post by The Grappler on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:09pm

Stand trial? He should stand on a platform until the hatch opens and stretches his neck....

Title: Re: Another partying mum - another dead kid.
Post by John Smith on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:10pm

is there any valid reason whatsoever for letting that scum live?

Title: Re: Another partying mum - another dead kid.
Post by Aussie on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:15pm

John Smith wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:10pm:

is there any valid reason whatsoever for letting that scum live?

Yeas. The death penalty has no role in any civilised society. Australia will never kill anyone in cold blood in may name.

As for whether he ought stand trial. I'm sure he will. If his state of mind was self induced, and he is otherwise not insane, he will be tried like the rest of us would be.

Title: Re: Another partying mum - another dead kid.
Post by John Smith on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:16pm

Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:15pm:

John Smith wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:10pm:

is there any valid reason whatsoever for letting that scum live?

I said a valid reason

Title: Re: Another partying mum - another dead kid.
Post by GordyL on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:17pm

John Smith wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:10pm:

is there any valid reason whatsoever for letting that scum live?

Only because I'm against the death penalty.

I'd put him in my $2 per day jail.

Title: Re: Another partying mum - another dead kid.
Post by Aussie on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:17pm

Quote:

I said a valid reason.

And I gave you one.

Title: Re: Another partying mum - another dead kid.
Post by John Smith on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:19pm

Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:17pm:

And I gave you one.

no ... you being opposed to the death penalty is not a valid reason why he should live .... he gave up his claim to a civilised society when he took that right away from the little girl

Title: Re: Another partying mum - another dead kid.
Post by The Grappler on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:21pm

Told yez all plenty time... I oppose the death penalty... but sometimes I am sorely tried.....

Title: Re: Another partying mum - another dead kid.
Post by The Grappler on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:22pm

GordyL wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:17pm:

John Smith wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:10pm:

is there any valid reason whatsoever for letting that scum live?

Only because I'm against the death penalty.

I'd put him in my $2 per day jail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EI7p2p1QJI

Title: Re: Another partying mum - another dead kid.
Post by GordyL on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:28pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:21pm:

Told yez all plenty time... I oppose the death penalty... but sometimes I am sorely tried.....

I'm against the state imposing a death penalty because you end up with situations like the USA where you get a state govonor who tries to get elected on high execution numbers.

However if someone touched a hair on the head of any of my family I'd kill them slow

Title: Re: Another partying mum - another dead kid.
Post by GordyL on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:30pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:22pm:

GordyL wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:17pm:

John Smith wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:10pm:

is there any valid reason whatsoever for letting that scum live?

Only because I'm against the death penalty.

I'd put him in my $2 per day jail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EI7p2p1QJI

Bessa brick 6x6x6 tin roof no electricity.
CUp of rice cup of lentils banana apple per day.

Title: Re: Another partying mum - another dead kid.
Post by Aussie on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:41pm

John Smith wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:19pm:

Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:17pm:

And I gave you one.

no ... you being opposed to the death penalty is not a valid reason why he should live .... he gave up his claim to a civilised society when he took that right away from the little girl

He may well have. But, he will not impose his barbarity on to me. If he wants to top himself, I will not stand in his way. But, Australia will never kill him in my name. Ever.

Title: Re: Another partying mum - another dead kid.
Post by Secret Wars on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:54pm

Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:41pm:

John Smith wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:19pm:

Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:17pm:

And I gave you one.

no ... you being opposed to the death penalty is not a valid reason why he should live .... he gave up his claim to a civilised society when he took that right away from the little girl

He may well have. But, he will not impose his barbarity on to me. If he wants to top himself, I will not stand in his way. But, Australia will never kill him in my name. Ever.

::)

Title: Re: Another partying mum - another dead kid.
Post by John Smith on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:55pm

Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:41pm:

But, he will not impose his barbarity on to me.

I don't believe anyone said you had to do it.

Title: Re: Another partying mum - another dead kid.
Post by Aussie on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:56pm

John Smith wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:55pm:

Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:41pm:

But, he will not impose his barbarity on to me.

I don't believe anyone said you had to do it.

Or in my name?

Title: Re: Another partying mum - another dead kid.
Post by greggerypeccary on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:58pm

Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:15pm:

John Smith wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:10pm:

is there any valid reason whatsoever for letting that scum live?

Yes. The death penalty has no role in any civilised society.

Correct.

Title: Re: Another partying mum - another dead kid.
Post by Ashley on May 4^th, 2016 at 10:24pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:58pm:

Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:15pm:

John Smith wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:10pm:

is there any valid reason whatsoever for letting that scum live?

Yes. The death penalty has no role in any civilised society.

Correct.

And there goes Islamic Sharia Law right out the window thank goodness.

Title: Re: Another partying mum - another dead kid.
Post by The Grappler on May 4^th, 2016 at 10:28pm

GordyL wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:28pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:21pm:

Told yez all plenty time... I oppose the death penalty... but sometimes I am sorely tried.....

Now that I know - I am THE civilised man... but scratch too deep... and I am a raging amoral destroyer. I choose not to go that way.

Title: Re: Another partying mum - another dead kid.
Post by ian on May 4^th, 2016 at 11:01pm

Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:17pm:

Quote:

I said a valid reason.

And I gave you one.

No. You gave a reason based on emotion.

Title: Re: Another partying mum - another dead kid.
Post by John Smith on May 4^th, 2016 at 11:10pm

Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:56pm:

John Smith wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:55pm:

Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:41pm:

But, he will not impose his barbarity on to me.

I don't believe anyone said you had to do it.

Or in my name?

I'm pretty sure when the judge sent Milat to jail he didn't use your name, why do you think this will be any different?

Title: Re: Another partying mum - another dead kid.
Post by Aussie on May 4^th, 2016 at 11:14pm

John Smith wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 11:10pm:

Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:56pm:

John Smith wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:55pm:

Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:41pm:

But, he will not impose his barbarity on to me.

I don't believe anyone said you had to do it.

Or in my name?

I'm pretty sure when the judge sent Milat to jail he didn't use your name, why do you think this will be any different?

Of course he didn't. He applied the Law with which, in that case, I agree. But, if Australia ever introduced capital punishment, I'll be on the ramparts with the sign saying "Not in my name."

Title: Re: Another partying mum - another dead kid.
Post by John Smith on May 4^th, 2016 at 11:15pm

Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 11:14pm:

John Smith wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 11:10pm:

Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:56pm:

John Smith wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:55pm:

Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:41pm:

But, he will not impose his barbarity on to me.

I don't believe anyone said you had to do it.

Or in my name?

I'm pretty sure when the judge sent Milat to jail he didn't use your name, why do you think this will be any different?

Of course he didn't. He applied the Law with which, in that case, I agree. But, if Australia ever introduced capital punishment, I'll be on the ramparts with the sign saying "Not in my name."

you do that .... just as long as this dickhead gets necked, you can have whatever you want on your sign

Title: Re: Another partying mum - another dead kid.
Post by The Grappler on May 5^th, 2016 at 12:20am

Hold it, bruvvas... I oppose capital punishment for many reasons I've outlined previously - but if some ghett did this to one of mine........ he wouldn't get to meet the hangman.

Civilised man says we do not do these things ... but when faced with an uncivilised 'man'..... there is a a basic instinct in Man to exact just reckoning....

Like all of you - I am both a civilised man and an ape with red, bleeding claws..... advice is to keep civilised men Civilised.....

In his case.... I would ensure he was in a secure institution and never released.....

If he got out, a Vendetta would be required....... lest he offend again.

How The Shaitan do 'mothers' get tangled with this kind of lunatic? :'( :'(

Title: Re: Another partying mum - another dead kid.
Post by BigOl64 on May 5^th, 2016 at 5:17am

Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 11:14pm:

John Smith wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 11:10pm:

Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:56pm:

John Smith wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:55pm:

Aussie wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:41pm:

But, he will not impose his barbarity on to me.

I don't believe anyone said you had to do it.

Or in my name?

I'm pretty sure when the judge sent Milat to jail he didn't use your name, why do you think this will be any different?

Of course he didn't. He applied the Law with which, in that case, I agree. But, if Australia ever introduced capital punishment, I'll be on the ramparts with the sign saying "Not in my name."

Pity you lawyers didn't show the same passion every time some scumbag judge handed down an all too short sentence to some filth only to have them walk free and do it all again.

There are long list of child rapist who got to repeat their behaviour over and over thanks to what is done "in your name"

Soft sentencing, "Not in MY name".

Title: Re: Another partying mum - another dead kid.
Post by greggerypeccary on May 5^th, 2016 at 7:44am

BigOl64 wrote on May 5^th, 2016 at 5:17am:

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Soft sentencing, "Not in MY name".

Nobody in this thread is advocating soft sentencing.

Seems a bit strange that you should mention it then.

Title: Re: Another partying mum - another dead kid.
Post by BigOl64 on May 5^th, 2016 at 7:49am

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5^th, 2016 at 7:44am:

BigOl64 wrote on May 5^th, 2016 at 5:17am:

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Soft sentencing, "Not in MY name".

Nobody in this thread is advocating soft sentencing.

Seems a bit strange that you should mention it then.

What you lefties, judges included, consider adequate sentencing is in all reality very soft sentencing. That is why I mention it.

Don't don't want to kill them, fine; they still need to die in gaol.

Title: Re: Another partying mum - another dead kid.
Post by greggerypeccary on May 5^th, 2016 at 7:51am

BigOl64 wrote on May 5^th, 2016 at 7:49am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5^th, 2016 at 7:44am:

BigOl64 wrote on May 5^th, 2016 at 5:17am:

[
Soft sentencing, "Not in MY name".

Nobody in this thread is advocating soft sentencing.

Seems a bit strange that you should mention it then.

Don't don't want to kill them, fine; they still need to die in gaol.

Do you see anyone arguing with you on that?

Title: Re: Another partying mum - another dead kid.
Post by BigOl64 on May 5^th, 2016 at 7:56am

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5^th, 2016 at 7:51am:

BigOl64 wrote on May 5^th, 2016 at 7:49am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5^th, 2016 at 7:44am:

BigOl64 wrote on May 5^th, 2016 at 5:17am:

[
Soft sentencing, "Not in MY name".

Nobody in this thread is advocating soft sentencing.

Seems a bit strange that you should mention it then.

Don't don't want to kill them, fine; they still need to die in gaol.

Do you see anyone arguing with you on that?

That lefties and judges are the ones that cause most recidivism through soft sentence, not from my side of the divide, no. And it seems not you either, welcome aboard.

No bullsh1t excuses, this lowlife enters alive and leaves dead. That is the appropriate sentence.

Title: Re: Another partying mum - another dead kid.
Post by cods on May 5^th, 2016 at 8:03am

BigOl64 wrote on May 5^th, 2016 at 7:49am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5^th, 2016 at 7:44am:

BigOl64 wrote on May 5^th, 2016 at 5:17am:

[
Soft sentencing, "Not in MY name".

Nobody in this thread is advocating soft sentencing.

Seems a bit strange that you should mention it then.

What you lefties, judges included, consider adequate sentencing is in all reality very soft sentencing. That is why I mention it.

Don't don't want to kill them, fine; they still need to die in gaol.

sadly if this happened in QLd and he was found guilty he would get 20 years tops...and Qlders are happy with that...... ::)

it makes sense to some.

Title: Re: Another partying mum - another dead kid.
Post by Lisa Jones on May 5^th, 2016 at 8:22am

John Smith wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 9:10pm:

is there any valid reason whatsoever for letting that scum live?

Just like Martin Bryant, Ivan Milat and the Anita Cobby murderers....NO, there is no valid reason whatsoever for letting such scum live.

They will however receive free bed and breakfast for life.....compliments of us taxpayers.

Justice eh?

Title: Re: Another partying mum - another dead kid.
Post by greggerypeccary on May 5^th, 2016 at 8:24am

BigOl64 wrote on May 5^th, 2016 at 7:56am:

No bullsh1t excuses, this lowlife enters alive and leaves dead. That is the appropriate sentence.

Do you see anyone arguing with you on that?

Title: Re: Another partying mum - another dead kid.
Post by BigOl64 on May 5^th, 2016 at 8:35am

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5^th, 2016 at 8:24am:

BigOl64 wrote on May 5^th, 2016 at 7:56am:

No bullsh1t excuses, this lowlife enters alive and leaves dead. That is the appropriate sentence.

Do you see anyone arguing with you on that?

You cut out the bit where I acknowledged your support for this crim to die in gaol, ya muppet.

FFS!