polite_gandalf wrote on May 14^th, 2016 at 9:51am:

freediver wrote on May 14th, 2016 at 7:59am: polite_gandalf wrote on May 13th, 2016 at 2:49pm: Are you trying to convince me he was a warmonger, or yourself FD? Do you seen any significance at all in the fact that my religious beliefs are based on a prophet that was the very opposite of a warmonger? Even if you think that makes me delusional? I've never worked out this campaign of yours to convince me Islam is based on evil and warmongering. You should know by now it has nothing to do with my actual beliefs. Are you talking about Muhammed - the "very opposite" of a warmonger? Correct.

Did he wage wars?

piss off ffs  ::)

you could have at least dug up one of the hundreds of discussions we've had on this before, instead of pretending I haven't already dealt with this topic to death.

Muhammad was a war monger

and Jesus has forgiven him.

namaste

I don't recall you ever describing Muhammed as the very opposite of a warmonger. Most Muslims take pride in his military feats. Feel free to post a link.

Is this part of your Islamic reform package?

freediver wrote on May 15^th, 2016 at 10:17am:

I don't recall you ever describing Muhammed as the very opposite of a warmonger.

ffs. Why do I bother?

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/c/c6/Alice-facepalm.jpg

Does your Islamic reform involve rewriting Islam's history such that Muhammed was the opposite of a warmonger?

Would you also describe Jesus as the opposite of a warmonger?

My Islamic reform involves accepting and reclaiming the standard mainstream historical view that Muhammad was not a warmonger - you know guys who knew a bit about it, Montommery Watt, Reza Aslan - actual authorities in this field, as opposed to hacks like Robert Spenser and Jihadwatch.


freediver wrote on May 15^th, 2016 at 10:54am:

Would you also describe Jesus as the opposite of a warmonger

Yes, but he didn't have a state to run. Apples and oranges.

Did Muhammed wage wars?

Did he end up with a 'state to run' by some kind of accident?

How does this fit in with your "opposite of a warmonger" narrative?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/articles/images/Map_of_expansion_of_Caliphate.png

Ah yes, I forgot, Muhammad conquered Spain.

Carry on...

Are you having trouble reading Gandalf?

Did Muhammed wage wars?

Did he end up with a 'state to run' by some kind of accident?

How do his military exploits fit in with your "opposite of a warmonger" narrative?

Ever considered looking up the literally dozens of times I've answered these exact same questions before hmmm?

You can even interpret them as me saying I want to kill gays for flaunting their sexuality mardi gras style if you like.

Have you ever claimed Muhammed was the very opposite of a warmonger before?

Can you quote me saying Muhammed conquered Spain?

If Muhammed was the very opposite of a warmonger, how do you explain all the wars he waged?

polite_gandalf wrote on May 15^th, 2016 at 11:11am:

My Islamic reform involves accepting and reclaiming the standard mainstream historical view that Muhammad was not a warmonger - you know guys who knew a bit about it, Montommery Watt, Reza Aslan - actual authorities in this field, as opposed to hacks like Robert Spenser and Jihadwatch. freediver wrote on May 15th, 2016 at 10:54am: Would you also describe Jesus as the opposite of a warmonger Yes, but he didn't have a state to run. Apples and oranges.

moh did not 'have a state to run'
he murdered people to get it.

he organised political assassinations.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 15^th, 2016 at 10:09am:

piss off ffs  ::)

spoken like an islamic

Muhammad was a pedophile, megalomaniac, sociopath with a small dysfunctional penis (requiring pumping to pee) who was the leader of a sick twisted devil worshiping cult of inbread low IQ retarded, violent M0rons.

But apart from that he was probably a nice guy.

Valkie wrote on May 15^th, 2016 at 6:12pm:

Muhammad was a pedophile, megalomaniac, sociopath with a small dysfunctional penis (requiring pumping to pee) who was the leader of a sick twisted devil worshiping cult of inbread low IQ retarded, violent M0rons. But apart from that he was probably a nice guy.

I respectfully disagree.

freediver wrote on May 15^th, 2016 at 12:58pm:

Have you ever claimed Muhammed was the very opposite of a warmonger before? Can you quote me saying Muhammed conquered Spain? If Muhammed was the very opposite of a warmonger, how do you explain all the wars he waged?

He hasn’t even looked at his own map.

Don’t blame FD, habibis, blame Islam.