Aayan Hirsi Ali speaking about the issues within Islam.

The way she adressed the issues makes gold logie winner Waleed Aly look like the apologist/sympathiser he is.

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s4440860.htm

Gnads wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 8:29am:

Aayan Hirsi Ali speaking about the issues within Islam. The way she adressed the issues makes gold logie winner Waleed Aly look like the apologist/sympathiser he is. http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s4440860.htm

No wonder muslims want her dead.

GordyL wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 8:32am:

Gnads wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:29am: Aayan Hirsi Ali speaking about the issues within Islam. The way she adressed the issues makes gold logie winner Waleed Aly look like the apologist/sympathiser he is. http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s4440860.htm No wonder muslims want her dead.

This is why people call you Islamophobic Gordy.

If that is indeed true, it would be only some  Muslims. Most would not want her dead at all.

As Aayan said it it not Islamaphobic to question/critique Islam by Muslims or non Muslims.

The conversations need to be had.

But it IS  Islamophobic to lump all Muslims in the same category.

mothra wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 8:38am:

GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:32am: Gnads wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:29am: Aayan Hirsi Ali speaking about the issues within Islam. The way she adressed the issues makes gold logie winner Waleed Aly look like the apologist/sympathiser he is. http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s4440860.htm No wonder muslims want her dead. This is why people call you Islamophobic Gordy. If that is indeed true, it would be only some  Muslims. Most would not want her dead at all.

You ignorant apologist ass
Bouyeri cut Van Gogh’s throat with a large knife and tried to decapitate him, after which he stabbed the knife deep into Van Gogh's chest, reaching his spinal cord. He attached a note to the body with a smaller knife. Van Gogh died on the spot.[12] The two knives were left implanted. The note was addressed to and contained a death threat to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who went into hiding. It also threatened Western countries and Jews, and referred to ideologies of the Egyptian organization Takfir wal-Hijra.[13][14]

and all muslims are responsible for that gordy?  :D :D :D

GordyL wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 8:56am:

mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:38am: GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:32am: Gnads wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:29am: Aayan Hirsi Ali speaking about the issues within Islam. The way she adressed the issues makes gold logie winner Waleed Aly look like the apologist/sympathiser he is. http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s4440860.htm No wonder muslims want her dead. This is why people call you Islamophobic Gordy. If that is indeed true, it would be only some  Muslims. Most would not want her dead at all. You ignorant apologist ass Bouyeri cut Van Gogh’s throat with a large knife and tried to decapitate him, after which he stabbed the knife deep into Van Gogh's chest, reaching his spinal cord. He attached a note to the body with a smaller knife. Van Gogh died on the spot.[12] The two knives were left implanted. The note was addressed to and contained a death threat to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who went into hiding. It also threatened Western countries and Jews, and referred to ideologies of the Egyptian organization Takfir wal-Hijra.[13][14]

And that's all Muslims was it?

mothra wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 8:58am:

GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:56am: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:38am: GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:32am: Gnads wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:29am: Aayan Hirsi Ali speaking about the issues within Islam. The way she adressed the issues makes gold logie winner Waleed Aly look like the apologist/sympathiser he is. http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s4440860.htm No wonder muslims want her dead. This is why people call you Islamophobic Gordy. If that is indeed true, it would be only some  Muslims. Most would not want her dead at all. You ignorant apologist ass Bouyeri cut Van Gogh’s throat with a large knife and tried to decapitate him, after which he stabbed the knife deep into Van Gogh's chest, reaching his spinal cord. He attached a note to the body with a smaller knife. Van Gogh died on the spot.[12] The two knives were left implanted. The note was addressed to and contained a death threat to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who went into hiding. It also threatened Western countries and Jews, and referred to ideologies of the Egyptian organization Takfir wal-Hijra.[13][14] And that's all Muslims was it?

No, just most of them, I'd show you some polls but you will just ignore them and make out they don't exist because they don't correlate with your looney left fantasy world view.

innocentbystander. wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 9:04am:

mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:58am: GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:56am: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:38am: GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:32am: Gnads wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:29am: Aayan Hirsi Ali speaking about the issues within Islam. The way she adressed the issues makes gold logie winner Waleed Aly look like the apologist/sympathiser he is. http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s4440860.htm No wonder muslims want her dead. This is why people call you Islamophobic Gordy. If that is indeed true, it would be only some  Muslims. Most would not want her dead at all. You ignorant apologist ass Bouyeri cut Van Gogh’s throat with a large knife and tried to decapitate him, after which he stabbed the knife deep into Van Gogh's chest, reaching his spinal cord. He attached a note to the body with a smaller knife. Van Gogh died on the spot.[12] The two knives were left implanted. The note was addressed to and contained a death threat to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who went into hiding. It also threatened Western countries and Jews, and referred to ideologies of the Egyptian organization Takfir wal-Hijra.[13][14] And that's all Muslims was it? No, just most of them, I'd show you some polls but you will just ignore them and make out they don't exist because they don't correlate with your looney left fantasy world view.

Show me the polls where most of 1.6 billion people agreed with that.

Go on. I dare you.

How about you listen & comment on what Hirsi Ali had to say.........

she answered a question about the Muslim "silent majority".

John Smith wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 8:57am:

and all muslims are responsible for that gordy?  :D :D :D

Where did I say ALL muslims. :)
Lots want her dead.  Most conservative muslims want her to shut up.
You need to start supporting women like this

GordyL wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 9:10am:

John Smith wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:57am: and all muslims are responsible for that gordy?  :D :D :D Where did I say ALL muslims. :) Lots want her dead.  Most conservative muslims want her to shut up. You need to start supporting women like this

You said "Muslims". Not some Muslims.

GordyL wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 9:10am:

John Smith wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:57am: and all muslims are responsible for that gordy?  :D :D :D Where did I say ALL muslims. :) Lots want her dead.  Most conservative muslims want her to shut up. You need to start supporting women like this

Leftards are firmly on the side of the radical muslims and will defend them at all costs.  :(

innocentbystander. wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 9:15am:

GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:10am: John Smith wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:57am: and all muslims are responsible for that gordy?  :D :D :D Where did I say ALL muslims. :) Lots want her dead.  Most conservative muslims want her to shut up. You need to start supporting women like this Leftards are firmly on the side of the radical muslims and will defend them at all costs.  :(

Where are your polls, Bystander?

It's hard to believe that here we are in the current year, and we still have people spruiking their outdated beliefs about "not all muslims are like that".

These people are on the wrong side of history, but haven't worked out that the world has passed them and their anachronistic beliefs by.

mothra wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 9:12am:

GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:10am: John Smith wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:57am: and all muslims are responsible for that gordy?  :D :D :D Where did I say ALL muslims. :) Lots want her dead.  Most conservative muslims want her to shut up. You need to start supporting women like this You said "Muslims". Not some Muslims.

You just want to read the worst into everything I post.
I'd love to hear your actual thoughts on what Aayan has to say

innocentbystander. wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 9:04am:

mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:58am: GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:56am: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:38am: GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:32am: Gnads wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:29am: Aayan Hirsi Ali speaking about the issues within Islam. The way she adressed the issues makes gold logie winner Waleed Aly look like the apologist/sympathiser he is. http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s4440860.htm No wonder muslims want her dead. This is why people call you Islamophobic Gordy. If that is indeed true, it would be only some  Muslims. Most would not want her dead at all. You ignorant apologist ass Bouyeri cut Van Gogh’s throat with a large knife and tried to decapitate him, after which he stabbed the knife deep into Van Gogh's chest, reaching his spinal cord. He attached a note to the body with a smaller knife. Van Gogh died on the spot.[12] The two knives were left implanted. The note was addressed to and contained a death threat to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who went into hiding. It also threatened Western countries and Jews, and referred to ideologies of the Egyptian organization Takfir wal-Hijra.[13][14] And that's all Muslims was it? No, just most of them, I'd show you some polls...

Do that.

"Yes the world is your playground

Go and get your kicks

As long as you're not poor or ugly or sick

We never saw it coming, just like all the best tricks

Because once we had the fear

But now we have the fix."

Tempest

If Pecca , Mothra etc had their way they'd fill the country up with muslims hoping the 2% wouldn't do anything. That's the way they think. Ignore a problem because it's a minority.

Mr Hammer wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 9:48am:

If Pecca , Mothra etc had their way they'd fill the country up with muslims hoping the 2% wouldn't do anything. That's the way they think. Ignore a problem because it's a minority.

You need to understand this from the looney leftards perspective, they ask whats the worst that can happen, they will be made to convert to islam, and at the end of the day they are fine with that, if thats what it comes to.

Mr Hammer wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 9:48am:

If Pecca , Mothra etc had their way they'd fill the country up with muslims hoping the 2% wouldn't do anything. That's the way they think. Ignore a problem because it's a minority.

No.

If I had my way, I'd have people like you removed.

We have enough people here already.

innocentbystander. wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 9:51am:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:48am: If Pecca , Mothra etc had their way they'd fill the country up with muslims hoping the 2% wouldn't do anything. That's the way they think. Ignore a problem because it's a minority. You need to understand this from the looney leftards perspective, they ask whats the worst that can happen, they will be made to convert to islam, and at the end of the day they are fine with that, if thats what it comes to.

Well they are betas.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 9:51am:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:48am: If Pecca , Mothra etc had their way they'd fill the country up with muslims hoping the 2% wouldn't do anything. That's the way they think. Ignore a problem because it's a minority. No. If I had my way, I'd have people like you removed. We have enough people here already.

That's funny because I feel the same about you. I'd have you put into a camp for orderly execution. Can I ask you this- how do you feel about pitbull terriors being banned?

Mr Hammer wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 9:48am:

If Pecca , Mothra etc had their way they'd fill the country up with muslims hoping the 2% wouldn't do anything. That's the way they think. Ignore a problem because it's a minority.

Nah if pecca mothra etc had their way, they wouldnt do anything because they have no core, no grounding, no beliefs or sense of self.  They just float along on a cloud of whatever angle the media chooses to portray as "popular opinion".

Guarantee that in 5 years mothra will be so vehement in her condemnation of ALL muslims, itd make all of our current comments look like those of imams.

Pecca wants more like this

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... wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 9:56am:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:48am: If Pecca , Mothra etc had their way they'd fill the country up with muslims hoping the 2% wouldn't do anything. That's the way they think. Ignore a problem because it's a minority. Nah if pecca mothra etc had their way, they wouldnt do anything because they have no core, no grounding, no beliefs or sense of self.  They just float along on a cloud of whatever angle the media chooses to portray as "popular opinion". Guarantee that in 5 years mothra will be so vehement in her condemnation of ALL muslims, itd make all of our current comments look like those of imams.

Honky. Once again evidencing that he has no idea at all.

GordyL wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 9:58am:

Pecca wants more like this

Nope.

I want less like you.

Mr Hammer wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 9:55am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:51am: Mr Hammer wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:48am: If Pecca , Mothra etc had their way they'd fill the country up with muslims hoping the 2% wouldn't do anything. That's the way they think. Ignore a problem because it's a minority. No. If I had my way, I'd have people like you removed. We have enough people here already. That's funny because I feel the same about you.

Of course you do.

I'm a sane, reasonable person whose life isn't consumed by irrational fear & hatred.

I imagine that you feel quite threatened.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 10:00am:

GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:58am: Pecca wants more like this Nope. I want less like you.

Why? I only want a peaceful and secular society.  Why do you want religious extremists?

GordyL wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 10:04am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 10:00am: GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:58am: Pecca wants more like this Nope. I want less like you. Why? I only want a peaceful and secular society.  Why do you want religious extremists?

Why do you want paedophiles?

greggerypeccary wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 10:05am:

GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 10:04am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 10:00am: GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:58am: Pecca wants more like this Nope. I want less like you. Why? I only want a peaceful and secular society.  Why do you want religious extremists? Why do you want paedophiles?

I buried you with my last comment so you resort to slander.

GordyL wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 10:08am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 10:05am: GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 10:04am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 10:00am: GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:58am: Pecca wants more like this Nope. I want less like you. Why? I only want a peaceful and secular society.  Why do you want religious extremists? Why do you want paedophiles? I buried you with my last comment so you resort to slander.

You asked a ridiculous question, so I repaid the favour.

"Why do you want religious extremists? "

I don't want religious extremists, and have never said anything like that.

So, why do you want paedophiles?

GordyL wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 10:04am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 10:00am: GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:58am: Pecca wants more like this Nope. I want less like you. Why? I only want a peaceful and secular society.  Why do you want religious extremists?

Why does denying that most Muslims are inherantly violent translate to you as support or desire for extremists?

Your arguments are highly unsophisticated, Gordy.

I can't speak for Greg but I'm pretty sure he would agree with me in condemning extremism.

But you are an extremist. Therefore your ideas are challenged.

GordyL wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 10:04am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 10:00am: GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:58am: Pecca wants more like this Nope. I want less like you. Why? I only want a peaceful and secular society.

I want that too.

I don't need to spread irrational fear, hatred, and bigotry to achieve it though.

mothra wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 10:17am:

GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 10:04am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 10:00am: GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:58am: Pecca wants more like this Nope. I want less like you. Why? I only want a peaceful and secular society.  Why do you want religious extremists? Why does denying that most Muslims are inherently violent translate to you as support or desire for extremists?

"If you don't hate 1.6 billion Muslims, you support terrorism."

"If you don't support capital punishment, you want all prisoners released."

etc.

This is how people like Gordy "think".

Their minds can't handle complexity.

And not one of you has addressed the comments/statements made by

Aayan Hersi Ali throughout the program

just throwing the same old shyte because

another program & this post has mentioned Muslims.

Hersi Ali is a Muslim with what seems to be a rational critique that Islam must change...

much like many here extol

and then there are those that seem to be eternal apologists for everything that is wrong with Islam

that goes beyond just condemning terrorism

i.e. Sharia Law, arranged marriages(according to Ali arranged rape), FGM, the veil/burkha

::)

The love affair between leftards and radical islam is a bizzare one, hopefully a team of trained psychiatrists are currently studying this strange phenomenon and they can eventually put forth some sort of explanation to it all, I don't hold out much hope of that happening though, the leftard defies any logical explanation.  :(

http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae269/oldpom/13173772_1061503280583974_791222926181605819_n.jpg

Gnads wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 5:57pm:

And not one of you has addressed the comments/statements made by Aayan Hersi Ali throughout the program just throwing the same old shyte because another program & this post has mentioned Muslims. Hersi Ali is a Muslim with what seems to be a rational critique that Islam must change... much like many here extol and then there are those that seem to be eternal apologists for everything that is wrong with Islam that goes beyond just condemning terrorism i.e. Sharia Law, arranged marriages(according to Ali arranged rape), FGM, the veil/burkha ::)

I agree with pretty much everything she said.

She is , in fact, a classic example of the kind of Muslim i don't want being demonised by the Islamophobics on here.

mothra wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 7:51pm:

I agree with pretty much everything she said. She is , in fact, a classic example of the kind of Muslim i don't want being demonised by the Islamophobics on here.

Geezuz christ you are f#kin retarded, all of the islamaphobes on here love Aayan Hirsi you brain dead twat!

mothra wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 10:17am:

GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 10:04am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 10:00am: GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:58am: Pecca wants more like this Nope. I want less like you. Why? I only want a peaceful and secular society.  Why do you want religious extremists? Why does denying that most Muslims are inherantly violent translate to you as support or desire for extremists? Your arguments are highly unsophisticated, Gordy. I can't speak for Greg but I'm pretty sure he would agree with me in condemning extremism. But you are an extremist. Therefore your ideas are challenged.

greg's white knighting tactics may be working.
this is not a tactic i usually recommend, as supplicating to women is very low status

innocentbystander. wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 8:04pm:

mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 7:51pm: I agree with pretty much everything she said. She is , in fact, a classic example of the kind of Muslim i don't want being demonised by the Islamophobics on here. Geezuz christ you are f#kin retarded, all of the islamaphobes on here love Aayan Hirsi you brain dead twat!

She's a Muslim, try again.

mothra wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 8:16pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:04pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 7:51pm: I agree with pretty much everything she said. She is , in fact, a classic example of the kind of Muslim i don't want being demonised by the Islamophobics on here. Geezuz christ you are f#kin retarded, all of the islamaphobes on here love Aayan Hirsi you brain dead twat! She's a Muslim, try again.

Do you actual know anything about her?

mothra wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 8:16pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:04pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 7:51pm: I agree with pretty much everything she said. She is , in fact, a classic example of the kind of Muslim i don't want being demonised by the Islamophobics on here. Geezuz christ you are f#kin retarded, all of the islamaphobes on here love Aayan Hirsi you brain dead twat! She's a Muslim, try again.

She has renounced her faith you dingbat, try again.

innocentbystander. wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:16pm: innocentbystander. wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:04pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 7:51pm: I agree with pretty much everything she said. She is , in fact, a classic example of the kind of Muslim i don't want being demonised by the Islamophobics on here. Geezuz christ you are f#kin retarded, all of the islamaphobes on here love Aayan Hirsi you brain dead twat! She's a Muslim, try again. She has renounced her faith you dingbat, try again.

Oh well, i still agree with what she said.

Never have i said anything contrary.

.... last night at least.

mothra wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 8:22pm:

Oh well, i still agree with what she said. Never have i said anything contrary.

You know, when your dear mussie terrorist friends come to carve off your pink bits they are going to slash your head by mistake c#%t face.

mothra wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 8:16pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:04pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 7:51pm: I agree with pretty much everything she said. She is , in fact, a classic example of the kind of Muslim i don't want being demonised by the Islamophobics on here. Geezuz christ you are f#kin retarded, all of the islamaphobes on here love Aayan Hirsi you brain dead twat! She's a Muslim, try again.

She unshackled her mind from that diseased religion.
Youhave no idea what you're talking about
Furthermore about what you said this morning,  do you know she had to leave the Netherlands because her safety there could not be garaunteed.  I blame people like you. You think you don't support terrorists but you actually do because YOU give them the breathing space and oxygen they need to exist.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali (Dutch: [aːˈjaːn ˈɦiːrsi ˈaːli], born Ayaan Hirsi Magan,[a] on 13 November 1969) is a Dutch-American activist, author, and former politician of Somali origin. She is a leading opponent of female genital mutilation, and calls for a reformation of Islam.[1] She is supportive of women's rights and is an atheist. Her latest book was released in 2015 and is called: Heretic: Why Islam Needs a Reformation Now.

innocentbystander. wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 8:25pm:

mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:22pm: Oh well, i still agree with what she said. Never have i said anything contrary. You know, when your dear mussie terrorist friends come to carve off your pink bits they are going to slash your head by mistake c#%t face.

This is what passes as debate for you, is it?

innocentbystander. wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 8:04pm:

mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 7:51pm: I agree with pretty much everything she said. She is , in fact, a classic example of the kind of Muslim i don't want being demonised by the Islamophobics on here. Geezuz christ you are f#kin retarded, all of the islamaphobes on here love Aayan Hirsi you brain dead twat!

Indeed, It ain't "islamaphobes" trying to kill her.

GordyL wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 8:26pm:

mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:16pm: innocentbystander. wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:04pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 7:51pm: I agree with pretty much everything she said. She is , in fact, a classic example of the kind of Muslim i don't want being demonised by the Islamophobics on here. Geezuz christ you are f#kin retarded, all of the islamaphobes on here love Aayan Hirsi you brain dead twat! She's a Muslim, try again. She unshackled her mind from that diseased religion. Youhave no idea what you're talking about Furthermore about what you said this morning,  do you know she had to leave the Netherlands because her safety there could not be garaunteed.  I blame people like you. You think you don't support terrorists but you actually do because YOU give them the breathing space and oxygen they need to exist. Ayaan Hirsi Ali (Dutch: [aːˈjaːn ˈɦiːrsi ˈaːli], born Ayaan Hirsi Magan,[a] on 13 November 1969) is a Dutch-American activist, author, and former politician of Somali origin. She is a leading opponent of female genital mutilation, and calls for a reformation of Islam.[1] She is supportive of women's rights and is an atheist. Her latest book was released in 2015 and is called: Heretic: Why Islam Needs a Reformation Now.

I've never supported terrorists Gordy.

Perhaps you'd like to provide a link to support what you accuse me of?

GordyL wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 8:26pm:

mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:16pm: innocentbystander. wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:04pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 7:51pm: I agree with pretty much everything she said. She is , in fact, a classic example of the kind of Muslim i don't want being demonised by the Islamophobics on here. Geezuz christ you are f#kin retarded, all of the islamaphobes on here love Aayan Hirsi you brain dead twat! She's a Muslim, try again. She unshackled her mind from that diseased religion. Youhave no idea what you're talking about Furthermore about what you said this morning,  do you know she had to leave the Netherlands because her safety there could not be garaunteed.  I blame people like you. You think you don't support terrorists but you actually do because YOU give them the breathing space and oxygen they need to exist. Ayaan Hirsi Ali (Dutch: [aːˈjaːn ˈɦiːrsi ˈaːli], born Ayaan Hirsi Magan,[a] on 13 November 1969) is a Dutch-American activist, author, and former politician of Somali origin. She is a leading opponent of female genital mutilation, and calls for a reformation of Islam.[1] She is supportive of women's rights and is an atheist. Her latest book was released in 2015 and is called: Heretic: Why Islam Needs a Reformation Now.

Well lets face it she's not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed now is she.

mothra wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 8:26pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:25pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:22pm: Oh well, i still agree with what she said. Never have i said anything contrary. You know, when your dear mussie terrorist friends come to carve off your pink bits they are going to slash your head by mistake c#%t face. This is what passes as debate for you, is it?

No this is what passes as putting sh!t on retards.  ;)

innocentbystander. wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 8:35pm:

mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:26pm: innocentbystander. wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:25pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:22pm: Oh well, i still agree with what she said. Never have i said anything contrary. You know, when your dear mussie terrorist friends come to carve off your pink bits they are going to slash your head by mistake c#%t face. This is what passes as debate for you, is it? No this is what passes as putting sh!t on retards.  ;)

You only, like Ashley, embarrass yourself.

mothra wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 8:27pm:

GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:26pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:16pm: innocentbystander. wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:04pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 7:51pm: I agree with pretty much everything she said. She is , in fact, a classic example of the kind of Muslim i don't want being demonised by the Islamophobics on here. Geezuz christ you are f#kin retarded, all of the islamaphobes on here love Aayan Hirsi you brain dead twat! She's a Muslim, try again. She unshackled her mind from that diseased religion. Youhave no idea what you're talking about Furthermore about what you said this morning,  do you know she had to leave the Netherlands because her safety there could not be garaunteed.  I blame people like you. You think you don't support terrorists but you actually do because YOU give them the breathing space and oxygen they need to exist. Ayaan Hirsi Ali (Dutch: [aːˈjaːn ˈɦiːrsi ˈaːli], born Ayaan Hirsi Magan,[a] on 13 November 1969) is a Dutch-American activist, author, and former politician of Somali origin. She is a leading opponent of female genital mutilation, and calls for a reformation of Islam.[1] She is supportive of women's rights and is an atheist. Her latest book was released in 2015 and is called: Heretic: Why Islam Needs a Reformation Now. I've never supported terrorists Gordy. Perhaps you'd like to provide a link to support what you accuse me of?

I'm sure you condemn the tip of the spear,  the guys who do the wet work, but you support the apparatus.

GordyL wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 8:36pm:

mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:27pm: GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:26pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:16pm: innocentbystander. wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:04pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 7:51pm: I agree with pretty much everything she said. She is , in fact, a classic example of the kind of Muslim i don't want being demonised by the Islamophobics on here. Geezuz christ you are f#kin retarded, all of the islamaphobes on here love Aayan Hirsi you brain dead twat! She's a Muslim, try again. She unshackled her mind from that diseased religion. Youhave no idea what you're talking about Furthermore about what you said this morning,  do you know she had to leave the Netherlands because her safety there could not be garaunteed.  I blame people like you. You think you don't support terrorists but you actually do because YOU give them the breathing space and oxygen they need to exist. Ayaan Hirsi Ali (Dutch: [aːˈjaːn ˈɦiːrsi ˈaːli], born Ayaan Hirsi Magan,[a] on 13 November 1969) is a Dutch-American activist, author, and former politician of Somali origin. She is a leading opponent of female genital mutilation, and calls for a reformation of Islam.[1] She is supportive of women's rights and is an atheist. Her latest book was released in 2015 and is called: Heretic: Why Islam Needs a Reformation Now. I've never supported terrorists Gordy. Perhaps you'd like to provide a link to support what you accuse me of? I'm sure you condemn the tip of the spear,  the guys who do the wet work, but you support the apparatus.

No. I don't. Not on either side.

innocentbystander. wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 8:35pm:

mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:26pm: innocentbystander. wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:25pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:22pm: Oh well, i still agree with what she said. Never have i said anything contrary. You know, when your dear mussie terrorist friends come to carve off your pink bits they are going to slash your head by mistake c#%t face. This is what passes as debate for you, is it? No this is what passes as putting sh!t on retards.  ;)

You're spot on there that's for sure.

mothra wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 8:37pm:

GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:36pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:27pm: GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:26pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:16pm: innocentbystander. wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:04pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 7:51pm: I agree with pretty much everything she said. She is , in fact, a classic example of the kind of Muslim i don't want being demonised by the Islamophobics on here. Geezuz christ you are f#kin retarded, all of the islamaphobes on here love Aayan Hirsi you brain dead twat! She's a Muslim, try again. She unshackled her mind from that diseased religion. Youhave no idea what you're talking about Furthermore about what you said this morning,  do you know she had to leave the Netherlands because her safety there could not be garaunteed.  I blame people like you. You think you don't support terrorists but you actually do because YOU give them the breathing space and oxygen they need to exist. Ayaan Hirsi Ali (Dutch: [aːˈjaːn ˈɦiːrsi ˈaːli], born Ayaan Hirsi Magan,[a] on 13 November 1969) is a Dutch-American activist, author, and former politician of Somali origin. She is a leading opponent of female genital mutilation, and calls for a reformation of Islam.[1] She is supportive of women's rights and is an atheist. Her latest book was released in 2015 and is called: Heretic: Why Islam Needs a Reformation Now. I've never supported terrorists Gordy. Perhaps you'd like to provide a link to support what you accuse me of? I'm sure you condemn the tip of the spear,  the guys who do the wet work, but you support the apparatus. No. I don't. Not on either side.

You have no idea. You didn't even know Ayaan is an atheist who is reviled as an apostate by conservative muslims and has many death fatwas issued against her.

Just keep up the thinking that everyone is the same deep down and we can sort it out over a nice cup of tea.

GordyL wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 8:47pm:

mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:37pm: GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:36pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:27pm: GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:26pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:16pm: innocentbystander. wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:04pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 7:51pm: I agree with pretty much everything she said. She is , in fact, a classic example of the kind of Muslim i don't want being demonised by the Islamophobics on here. Geezuz christ you are f#kin retarded, all of the islamaphobes on here love Aayan Hirsi you brain dead twat! She's a Muslim, try again. She unshackled her mind from that diseased religion. Youhave no idea what you're talking about Furthermore about what you said this morning,  do you know she had to leave the Netherlands because her safety there could not be garaunteed.  I blame people like you. You think you don't support terrorists but you actually do because YOU give them the breathing space and oxygen they need to exist. Ayaan Hirsi Ali (Dutch: [aːˈjaːn ˈɦiːrsi ˈaːli], born Ayaan Hirsi Magan,[a] on 13 November 1969) is a Dutch-American activist, author, and former politician of Somali origin. She is a leading opponent of female genital mutilation, and calls for a reformation of Islam.[1] She is supportive of women's rights and is an atheist. Her latest book was released in 2015 and is called: Heretic: Why Islam Needs a Reformation Now. I've never supported terrorists Gordy. Perhaps you'd like to provide a link to support what you accuse me of? I'm sure you condemn the tip of the spear,  the guys who do the wet work, but you support the apparatus. No. I don't. Not on either side. You have no idea. You didn't even know Ayaan is an atheist who is reviled as an apostate by conservative muslims and has many death fatwas issued against her. Just keep up the thinking that everyone is the same deep down and we can sort it out over a nice cup of tea.

Please find a link in which i support terrorists Gordy.

You made the claim, now back it up.

mothra wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 8:51pm:

GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:47pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:37pm: GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:36pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:27pm: GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:26pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:16pm: innocentbystander. wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:04pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 7:51pm: I agree with pretty much everything she said. She is , in fact, a classic example of the kind of Muslim i don't want being demonised by the Islamophobics on here. Geezuz christ you are f#kin retarded, all of the islamaphobes on here love Aayan Hirsi you brain dead twat! She's a Muslim, try again. She unshackled her mind from that diseased religion. Youhave no idea what you're talking about Furthermore about what you said this morning,  do you know she had to leave the Netherlands because her safety there could not be garaunteed.  I blame people like you. You think you don't support terrorists but you actually do because YOU give them the breathing space and oxygen they need to exist. Ayaan Hirsi Ali (Dutch: [aːˈjaːn ˈɦiːrsi ˈaːli], born Ayaan Hirsi Magan,[a] on 13 November 1969) is a Dutch-American activist, author, and former politician of Somali origin. She is a leading opponent of female genital mutilation, and calls for a reformation of Islam.[1] She is supportive of women's rights and is an atheist. Her latest book was released in 2015 and is called: Heretic: Why Islam Needs a Reformation Now. I've never supported terrorists Gordy. Perhaps you'd like to provide a link to support what you accuse me of? I'm sure you condemn the tip of the spear,  the guys who do the wet work, but you support the apparatus. No. I don't. Not on either side. You have no idea. You didn't even know Ayaan is an atheist who is reviled as an apostate by conservative muslims and has many death fatwas issued against her. Just keep up the thinking that everyone is the same deep down and we can sort it out over a nice cup of tea. Please find a link in which i support terrorists Gordy. You made the claim, now back it up.

You support conservative Islam which incubates violent jihad.

No. I don't. I don't support conservative Islam at all.

Find one example of my support of conservative Islam.

mothra wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 8:58pm:

No. I don't. I don't support conservative Islam at all. Find one example of my support of conservative Islam.

You are so amazingly stupid that you cannot even recognise the fact that the time has come for you to shut up and slink quietly off to avoid further embarrassment.  ;D

mothra wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 8:58pm:

No. I don't. I don't support conservative Islam at all. Find one example of my support of conservative Islam.

How many times have you call me an Islamophobe?
My issue is with conservative Islam.
Perhaps you and I have a different level of what we consider conservative?

GordyL wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 9:09pm:

mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:58pm: No. I don't. I don't support conservative Islam at all. Find one example of my support of conservative Islam. How many times have you call me an Islamophobe? My issue is with conservative Islam. Perhaps you and I have a different level of what we consider conservative?

I call you an Islamophobe because you do not distinguish between Muslims and repressive regimes.

You always site "Muslims".

1.6 people on this planet are Muslims. Most of them ar peace loving. You seem to overlook that on a daily basis.

https://architectguy.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/hitchens-quote.jpg

ian wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 9:14pm:

https://architectguy.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/hitchens-quote.jpg

You can add that to the healthily long list o things i don;t agree with Christopher Hitchens on.

mothra wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 9:11pm:

GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:09pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:58pm: No. I don't. I don't support conservative Islam at all. Find one example of my support of conservative Islam. How many times have you call me an Islamophobe? My issue is with conservative Islam. Perhaps you and I have a different level of what we consider conservative? I call you an Islamophobe because you do not distinguish between Muslims and repressive regimes. You always site "Muslims". 1.6 people on this planet are Muslims. Most of them ar peace loving. You seem to overlook that on a daily basis.

This is where you're wrong.  You think 99.999999999% of Muslims are peaceful and just a few baddies.

That's how a child thinks. The truth is much more complex.  There are huge overlaps in the thinking of your peaceful muslims with the hardcore jihadists.

Violent Islam doesn't come out of a vacuum. It comes out of Islam.

GordyL wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 9:17pm:

mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:11pm: GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:09pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:58pm: No. I don't. I don't support conservative Islam at all. Find one example of my support of conservative Islam. How many times have you call me an Islamophobe? My issue is with conservative Islam. Perhaps you and I have a different level of what we consider conservative? I call you an Islamophobe because you do not distinguish between Muslims and repressive regimes. You always site "Muslims". 1.6 people on this planet are Muslims. Most of them ar peace loving. You seem to overlook that on a daily basis. This is where you're wrong.  You think 99.999999999% of Muslims are peaceful and just a few baddies. That's how a child thinks. The truth is much more complex.  There are huge overlaps in the thinking of your peaceful muslims with the hardcore jihadists. Violent Islam doesn't come out of a vacuum. It comes out of Islam.

Where did i say that Gordy?

Link please?

mothra wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 9:18pm:

GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:17pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:11pm: GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:09pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:58pm: No. I don't. I don't support conservative Islam at all. Find one example of my support of conservative Islam. How many times have you call me an Islamophobe? My issue is with conservative Islam. Perhaps you and I have a different level of what we consider conservative? I call you an Islamophobe because you do not distinguish between Muslims and repressive regimes. You always site "Muslims". 1.6 people on this planet are Muslims. Most of them ar peace loving. You seem to overlook that on a daily basis. This is where you're wrong.  You think 99.999999999% of Muslims are peaceful and just a few baddies. That's how a child thinks. The truth is much more complex.  There are huge overlaps in the thinking of your peaceful muslims with the hardcore jihadists. Violent Islam doesn't come out of a vacuum. It comes out of Islam. Where did i say that Gordy? Link please?

You said it two posts ago knuckle head

You've so far been unable to establish a precedent for anything you've accused me of.

Could it be you've got me all wrong?

GordyL wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 9:19pm:

mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:18pm: GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:17pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:11pm: GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:09pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:58pm: No. I don't. I don't support conservative Islam at all. Find one example of my support of conservative Islam. How many times have you call me an Islamophobe? My issue is with conservative Islam. Perhaps you and I have a different level of what we consider conservative? I call you an Islamophobe because you do not distinguish between Muslims and repressive regimes. You always site "Muslims". 1.6 people on this planet are Muslims. Most of them ar peace loving. You seem to overlook that on a daily basis. This is where you're wrong.  You think 99.999999999% of Muslims are peaceful and just a few baddies. That's how a child thinks. The truth is much more complex.  There are huge overlaps in the thinking of your peaceful muslims with the hardcore jihadists. Violent Islam doesn't come out of a vacuum. It comes out of Islam. Where did i say that Gordy? Link please? You said it two posts ago knuckle head

I said 99.99999999% did i?

mothra wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 9:19pm:

You've so far been unable to establish a precedent for anything you've accused me of. Could it be you've got me all wrong?

No one has to prove anything to you your just a boring troll anyway.

mothra wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 9:19pm:

You've so far been unable to establish a precedent for anything you've accused me of. Could it be you've got me all wrong?

Ok let's sort something out.

Do you think there is a reluctance of the left to call out conservative Islam for fear of being called Islamophobic /racist?

GordyL wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 9:22pm:

mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:19pm: You've so far been unable to establish a precedent for anything you've accused me of. Could it be you've got me all wrong? Ok let's sort something out. Do you think there is a reluctance of the left to call out conservative Islam for fear of being called Islamophobic /racist?

Nope.


I think the starting point has been shifted so heavily into the camp of Islamophobia that it is all the left can do to remind the Islamophobes that Islam is not represented by terrorists or repressive regimes.

If you want to have a sensible discussion about Islam and the ways in which it is abused on the planet, you need to start at ground zero, not an hysterical, shrill banshee cry of "Muslim's baaaaad, mmmmm'k?".

mothra wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 9:24pm:

GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:22pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:19pm: You've so far been unable to establish a precedent for anything you've accused me of. Could it be you've got me all wrong? Ok let's sort something out. Do you think there is a reluctance of the left to call out conservative Islam for fear of being called Islamophobic /racist? Nope. I think the starting point has been shifted so heavily into the camp of Islamophobia that it is all the left can do to remind the Islamophobes that Islam is not represented by terrorists or repressive regimes. If you want to have a sensible discussion about Islam and the ways in which it is abused on the planet, you need to start at ground zero, not an hysterical, shrill banshee cry of "Muslim's baaaaad, mmmmm'k?".

I don't think all muslims are bad but I think Islam is a bad system.  Understand?

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GordyL wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 9:29pm:

mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:24pm: GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:22pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:19pm: You've so far been unable to establish a precedent for anything you've accused me of. Could it be you've got me all wrong? Ok let's sort something out. Do you think there is a reluctance of the left to call out conservative Islam for fear of being called Islamophobic /racist? Nope. I think the starting point has been shifted so heavily into the camp of Islamophobia that it is all the left can do to remind the Islamophobes that Islam is not represented by terrorists or repressive regimes. If you want to have a sensible discussion about Islam and the ways in which it is abused on the planet, you need to start at ground zero, not an hysterical, shrill banshee cry of "Muslim's baaaaad, mmmmm'k?". I don't think all muslims are bad but I think Islam is a bad system.  Understand?

But you are obsessed with Muslims Gordy.

If a thread isn't about them you will bring them into it.

And you do not differentiate between Islam being "a bad system" and Muslims. Not in any of your posts.

Look at page 1 of this thread.

In any case, Islam is not a bad system. The way that some people have interpreted is bad. The way others have interpreted it is peace loving and altruistic.

mothra wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 9:41pm:

GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:29pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:24pm: GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:22pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:19pm: You've so far been unable to establish a precedent for anything you've accused me of. Could it be you've got me all wrong? Ok let's sort something out. Do you think there is a reluctance of the left to call out conservative Islam for fear of being called Islamophobic /racist? Nope. I think the starting point has been shifted so heavily into the camp of Islamophobia that it is all the left can do to remind the Islamophobes that Islam is not represented by terrorists or repressive regimes. If you want to have a sensible discussion about Islam and the ways in which it is abused on the planet, you need to start at ground zero, not an hysterical, shrill banshee cry of "Muslim's baaaaad, mmmmm'k?". I don't think all muslims are bad but I think Islam is a bad system.  Understand? But you are obsessed with Muslims Gordy. If a thread isn't about them you will bring them into it. And you do not differentiate between Islam being "a bad system" and Muslims. Not in any of your posts. Look at page 1 of this thread. In any case, Islam is not a bad system. The way that some people have interpreted is bad. The way others have interpreted it is peace loving and altruistic.

It's a truly obhorant system.  The subjection off women, gays, stifling of free though. 
Just look at Muslim countries, the proof is in the pudding. 
The more conservative and extreme the brand of Islam the worse the culture.

Tell me Mothra,  which Islamic country would you like to live in?

GordyL wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 9:50pm:

mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:41pm: GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:29pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:24pm: GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:22pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:19pm: You've so far been unable to establish a precedent for anything you've accused me of. Could it be you've got me all wrong? Ok let's sort something out. Do you think there is a reluctance of the left to call out conservative Islam for fear of being called Islamophobic /racist? Nope. I think the starting point has been shifted so heavily into the camp of Islamophobia that it is all the left can do to remind the Islamophobes that Islam is not represented by terrorists or repressive regimes. If you want to have a sensible discussion about Islam and the ways in which it is abused on the planet, you need to start at ground zero, not an hysterical, shrill banshee cry of "Muslim's baaaaad, mmmmm'k?". I don't think all muslims are bad but I think Islam is a bad system.  Understand? But you are obsessed with Muslims Gordy. If a thread isn't about them you will bring them into it. And you do not differentiate between Islam being "a bad system" and Muslims. Not in any of your posts. Look at page 1 of this thread. In any case, Islam is not a bad system. The way that some people have interpreted is bad. The way others have interpreted it is peace loving and altruistic. It's a truly obhorant system.  The subjection off women, gays, stifling of free though.  Just look at Muslim countries, the proof is in the pudding.  The more conservative and extreme the brand of Islam the worse the culture. Tell me Mothra,  which Islamic country would you like to live in?

You're talking about repressive regimes, not Islam as it interpreted by millions.

See Gordy? You're doing it again.

mothra wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 9:54pm:

GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:50pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:41pm: GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:29pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:24pm: GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:22pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:19pm: You've so far been unable to establish a precedent for anything you've accused me of. Could it be you've got me all wrong? Ok let's sort something out. Do you think there is a reluctance of the left to call out conservative Islam for fear of being called Islamophobic /racist? Nope. I think the starting point has been shifted so heavily into the camp of Islamophobia that it is all the left can do to remind the Islamophobes that Islam is not represented by terrorists or repressive regimes. If you want to have a sensible discussion about Islam and the ways in which it is abused on the planet, you need to start at ground zero, not an hysterical, shrill banshee cry of "Muslim's baaaaad, mmmmm'k?". I don't think all muslims are bad but I think Islam is a bad system.  Understand? But you are obsessed with Muslims Gordy. If a thread isn't about them you will bring them into it. And you do not differentiate between Islam being "a bad system" and Muslims. Not in any of your posts. Look at page 1 of this thread. In any case, Islam is not a bad system. The way that some people have interpreted is bad. The way others have interpreted it is peace loving and altruistic. It's a truly obhorant system.  The subjection off women, gays, stifling of free though.  Just look at Muslim countries, the proof is in the pudding.  The more conservative and extreme the brand of Islam the worse the culture. Tell me Mothra,  which Islamic country would you like to live in? You're talking about repressive regimes, not Islam as it interpreted by millions. See Gordy? You're doing it again.

Which middle east muslim country is flourishing with freedom and secular ideals? 

GordyL wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 9:57pm:

mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:54pm: GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:50pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:41pm: GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:29pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:24pm: GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:22pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:19pm: You've so far been unable to establish a precedent for anything you've accused me of. Could it be you've got me all wrong? Ok let's sort something out. Do you think there is a reluctance of the left to call out conservative Islam for fear of being called Islamophobic /racist? Nope. I think the starting point has been shifted so heavily into the camp of Islamophobia that it is all the left can do to remind the Islamophobes that Islam is not represented by terrorists or repressive regimes. If you want to have a sensible discussion about Islam and the ways in which it is abused on the planet, you need to start at ground zero, not an hysterical, shrill banshee cry of "Muslim's baaaaad, mmmmm'k?". I don't think all muslims are bad but I think Islam is a bad system.  Understand? But you are obsessed with Muslims Gordy. If a thread isn't about them you will bring them into it. And you do not differentiate between Islam being "a bad system" and Muslims. Not in any of your posts. Look at page 1 of this thread. In any case, Islam is not a bad system. The way that some people have interpreted is bad. The way others have interpreted it is peace loving and altruistic. It's a truly obhorant system.  The subjection off women, gays, stifling of free though.  Just look at Muslim countries, the proof is in the pudding.  The more conservative and extreme the brand of Islam the worse the culture. Tell me Mothra,  which Islamic country would you like to live in? You're talking about repressive regimes, not Islam as it interpreted by millions. See Gordy? You're doing it again. Which middle east muslim country is flourishing with freedom and secular ideals?

The Middle East has been ravaged by war, puppet dictators, and international interference for decades.

Bad example.

But there is more going on there than just Islam. Iran and Afghanistan were always Muslim majorities but do you know how progressive they were before war came to town?

mothra wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 10:00pm:

GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:57pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:54pm: GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:50pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:41pm: GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:29pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:24pm: GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:22pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 9:19pm: You've so far been unable to establish a precedent for anything you've accused me of. Could it be you've got me all wrong? Ok let's sort something out. Do you think there is a reluctance of the left to call out conservative Islam for fear of being called Islamophobic /racist? Nope. I think the starting point has been shifted so heavily into the camp of Islamophobia that it is all the left can do to remind the Islamophobes that Islam is not represented by terrorists or repressive regimes. If you want to have a sensible discussion about Islam and the ways in which it is abused on the planet, you need to start at ground zero, not an hysterical, shrill banshee cry of "Muslim's baaaaad, mmmmm'k?". I don't think all muslims are bad but I think Islam is a bad system.  Understand? But you are obsessed with Muslims Gordy. If a thread isn't about them you will bring them into it. And you do not differentiate between Islam being "a bad system" and Muslims. Not in any of your posts. Look at page 1 of this thread. In any case, Islam is not a bad system. The way that some people have interpreted is bad. The way others have interpreted it is peace loving and altruistic. It's a truly obhorant system.  The subjection off women, gays, stifling of free though.  Just look at Muslim countries, the proof is in the pudding.  The more conservative and extreme the brand of Islam the worse the culture. Tell me Mothra,  which Islamic country would you like to live in? You're talking about repressive regimes, not Islam as it interpreted by millions. See Gordy? You're doing it again. Which middle east muslim country is flourishing with freedom and secular ideals?  The Middle East has been ravaged by war, puppet dictators, and international interference for decades. Bad example. But there is more going on there than just Islam. Iran and Afghanistan were always Muslim majorities but do you know how progressive they were before war came to town?

There was a splash of modernism that was transplanted there from the west.
It didn't grow there and it didn't last because it had no roots.

Look in the context of the age of  the universe there is no difference between us but on a human scale they are 500 years behind culturally.  That's a lot on the human scale

They weren't until war came to town.

Wait until mothra finds out gordy is karnal ;D

Gotta love pretend friends. ;D

Ashley wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 10:08pm:

Wait until mothra finds out gordy is karnal ;D Gotta love pretend friends. ;D

Don't be ridiculous.

Karnal would know how to spell abhorrent.

mothra wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 10:10pm:

Ashley wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 10:08pm: Wait until mothra finds out gordy is karnal ;D Gotta love pretend friends. ;D Don't be ridiculous. Karnal would know how to spell abhor ant.

You really are that thick aren't you.

Ashley wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 10:11pm:

mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 10:10pm: Ashley wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 10:08pm: Wait until mothra finds out gordy is karnal ;D Gotta love pretend friends. ;D Don't be ridiculous. Karnal would know how to spell abhor ant. You really are that thick aren't you.

Look who's talking ... lol.

mothra wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 10:10pm:

Ashley wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 10:08pm: Wait until mothra finds out gordy is karnal ;D Gotta love pretend friends. ;D Don't be ridiculous. Karnal would know how to spell abhor ant.

You're being petty now?

GordyL wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 10:13pm:

mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 10:10pm: Ashley wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 10:08pm: Wait until mothra finds out gordy is karnal ;D Gotta love pretend friends. ;D Don't be ridiculous. Karnal would know how to spell abhor ant. You're being petty now?

No. Just disavowing Ashley and her socks that you are Karnal and he is you.

mothra wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 10:12pm:

Ashley wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 10:11pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 10:10pm: Ashley wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 10:08pm: Wait until mothra finds out gordy is karnal ;D Gotta love pretend friends. ;D Don't be ridiculous. Karnal would know how to spell abhor ant. You really are that thick aren't you. Look who's talking ... lol.

Not me I am typing. Must be you Einstein. ;D

mothra wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 10:14pm:

GordyL wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 10:13pm: mothra wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 10:10pm: Ashley wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 10:08pm: Wait until mothra finds out gordy is karnal ;D Gotta love pretend friends. ;D Don't be ridiculous. Karnal would know how to spell abhor ant. You're being petty now? No. Just disavowing Ashley and her socks that you are Karnal and he is you.

I don't have socks grandma. Try again.