Peter Dutton says 'illiterate and innumerate' refugees would take Australian jobs

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"Illiterate and innumerate" refugees would take Australian jobs or "languish" on the dole and use free health services provided by Medicare, Immigration Minister Peter Dutton has said, in remarks Labor has condemned as "deeply offensive". Mr Dutton was responding to criticisms by conservative Sky News presenter Paul Murray when he made the comments about a Greens idea to boost the refugee intake to 50,000. "They won't be numerate or literate in their own language, let alone English," Mr Dutton said. "These people would be taking Australian jobs, there's no question about that. "For many of them that would be unemployed, they would languish in unemployment queues and on Medicare and the rest of it so there would be huge cost and there's no sense in sugar-coating that, that's the scenario." Mr Dutton has ramped up his media appearances in the opening weeks of the election campaign to exploit internal Labor divisions on asylum seeker policy. Labor has hit back over the remarks, describing them as xenophobic and offensive, and calling for Mr Dutton to apologise. "These are deeply offensive comments and Mr Dutton should immediately apologise for these half-baked remarks," a Labor spokesman said. "This country has a proud tradition of multiculturalism and for Mr Dutton to make such narrow-minded and xenophobic remarks exposes the right-wing brigade behind Malcolm Turnbull. "One of the first acts of this government was to slash Australia's humanitarian intake to 13, 750." Opposition Leader Bill Shorten has vowed the Labor Party will stand firm on the issue but has struggled to contain an outbreak of nearly two-dozen MPs and candidates who want the opposition to take a different line. The issue dominated Labor's first few days of campaigning after it was revealed the candidate in the seat of Melbourne, Sophie Ismail, flagged concerns about turning back asylum seeker boats and the offshore detention centres in Papua New Guinea and Nauru. Mr Dutton's characterisation of asylum seekers is at odds with the Refugee Council, which says: "Research has shown that refugees, once they have the opportunity to establish themselves, make important economic, civil and social contributions to Australian society. Australia's refugees and humanitarian entrants have found success in every field of endeavour, including the arts, sports, media, science, research, business and civic and community life." The council acknowledges the difficulties refugees from non-English speaking countries have in learning a new language but says: "Refugee and humanitarian entrants are often keen to make up for lost time and take up the many and diverse opportunities provided by Australia's education and training systems. Refugee young people in particular can be highly motivated and ambitious in their educational and career goals."

hang on! aren't the libs always crying that they don't want refugee's because they sit on the dole for the rest of their lives?

I think the libs are confused again ... either they are taking our jobs, or they're on the dole ... they can't be both. :D :D :D

HI ALL

There is no easy answer, Ditton surely cannot say anything that makes sense.

LNP for cristsakes??
;)

Heaven forbid that a refugee makes a contribution after arriving here.  ::)

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Dutton is doing a great job expressing the concerns of ordinary Australians in the light of Labor's obvious duplicity in its support of border protection.

There must now be more Labor candidates out of the party bed than in it.
Don't fool yourselves that this is going unnoticed out there in real voter land.

Terk our jerbs , derp derp diddly derp derp

A terrible Health Minister and an equally bad Immigration Minister.  Let's see how long it takes the PM, and Julie Bishop to refute his statements.  If this cabbage is supposedly one of the better Ministers on the front bench then Labor are a shoe in for election

bogarde73 wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 8:46am:

Dutton is doing a great job expressing the concerns of ordinary Australians.

are you referring to the concern that they take our jobs? or the concern that they come here to spend their lives on the dole? :D :D

I used to have some respect for Dutton, but now, it seemed that he is just another Pauline Hanson.   And he is taking us for a fool.  If illiterate and innumerate refugees can come and take away Australian jobs, what does that say about Australians?  Idiots?   I cant believe anyone with an oz of intelligence put up with this. 

And attacking a group of most traumatized, and disadvantaged people on the planet for political scoring?  If this is tolerated then the liberal party of Australia have forgotten its Liberal values, and human decency.  Its not the party that my grand parents and parents had voted for. 

This is insulting to all migrant Australians.

Greeks, Vietnamese, ten pound Poms, and so on ... many of these were illiterate or didn't have english as their first language when arriving.

John Smith wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 8:56am:

bogarde73 wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 8:46am: Dutton is doing a great job expressing the concerns of ordinary Australians. are you referring to the concern that they take our jobs? or the concern that they come here to spend their lives on the dole? :D :D

Or Peter Dutton stating that they are Illiterate and innumerate?

Apologies, Bam, didn't see your thread prior to posting mine.

Peter Dutton says 'illiterate and innumerate' refugees would take Australian jobs


"They won't be numerate or literate in their own language, let alone English," Mr Dutton said.


"These people would be taking Australian jobs, there's no question about that.

"For many of them that would be unemployed, they would languish in unemployment queues and on Medicare and the rest of it so there would be huge cost and there's no sense in sugar-coating that, that's the scenario."

Schrodinger's Refugee???

Lobo wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 9:12am:

Peter Dutton says 'illiterate and innumerate' refugees would take Australian jobs "They won't be numerate or literate in their own language, let alone English," Mr Dutton said. "These people would be taking Australian jobs, there's no question about that. "For many of them that would be unemployed, they would languish in unemployment queues and on Medicare and the rest of it so there would be huge cost and there's no sense in sugar-coating that, that's the scenario." Schrodinger's Refugee???

Dutton wouldn't know if his arse was on fire. Illiterate and inumerate himself. Does anybody take this nonce seriously.

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crocodile wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 9:18am:

Lobo wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 9:12am: Peter Dutton says 'illiterate and innumerate' refugees would take Australian jobs "They won't be numerate or literate in their own language, let alone English," Mr Dutton said. "These people would be taking Australian jobs, there's no question about that. "For many of them that would be unemployed, they would languish in unemployment queues and on Medicare and the rest of it so there would be huge cost and there's no sense in sugar-coating that, that's the scenario." Schrodinger's Refugee??? Dutton wouldn't know if his arse was on fire. Illiterate and inumerate himself. Does anybody take this nonce seriously.

The rtards do  :D

greggerypeccary wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 9:30am:

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They Terk aw jerbs

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bogarde73 wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 8:46am:

Dutton is doing a great job expressing the concerns of ordinary Australians in the light of Labor's obvious duplicity in its support of border protection. There must now be more Labor candidates out of the party bed than in it. Don't fool yourselves that this is going unnoticed out there in real voter land.

I see Dutton's dog whistle is being heard by the dogs...

greggerypeccary wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 9:34am:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brj2UkUPjCI

Dik er der terk aww jerbs

Derka der

____ wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 9:06am:

This is insulting to all migrant Australians. Greeks, Vietnamese, ten pound Poms, and so on ... many of these were illiterate or didn't have english as their first language when arriving.

You're talking about the 1950's. It was a different world back then.

Dutton is a great leader never scared to tell the truth. Look how many refugees Labor let in who are  still on the dole queue. 90%. If you can't read, speak or  write english properly you will not get a job in Australia. Fullstop. We don't need more people on the dole.

:(

Mr Hammer wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 10:05am:

If you can't read, speak or  write english properly you will not get a job in Australia. Fullstop.

Unemployment getting you down?

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 9:47am:

____ wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 9:06am: This is insulting to all migrant Australians. Greeks, Vietnamese, ten pound Poms, and so on ... many of these were illiterate or didn't have english as their first language when arriving. You're talking about the 1950's. It was a different world back then.

Rubbish.
This is just dog whistling.

All Australians born overseas are being insulted.

Really? No clue?
Then why are most Refugees still on welfare after 5 years.

I doubt he is totally correct in saying they take Australian jobs which if they do have a job they definitely do.

But, they do take taxpayer funds that they have never contributed to and they do it for a long time.

Those few that make a go of it through luck or effort good for them.  But this crap about xenophobia is just that more politicking from the dishonest LW progs in our society.

Personally I think most of us are way past being sick of the dishonesty.

Mr Hammer wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 10:05am:

Dutton is a great leader.

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Proving what a wonker you truly are Gregg?

You last few posts have well and truly...  nothing factual, at all. :D :D :D

Pecca Breath doesn't have to worry about unemployed refugees running amok in his higher socio economic suburb. Or taking a job from an Aussie. He lives comfortably  enough where it isn't an issue for him. That's why he supports it. That's for other people hey Pecca.

Grendel wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 10:12am:

Proving what a wonker you truly are Gregg? You last few posts have well and truly...  nothing factual, at all.

"Dutton is a great leader."


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Go Sarah


Greens Senator Sarah Hanson-Young described the minister's comments as "vile and nasty".

"What it does is exposes the Liberal Party's current thinking on people who come to our country seeking protection," Senator Hanson-Young said.

A government report in 2011 published by the Department of Social Services found that "75 per cent of humanitarian entrants arrive with at least high school level education", while 35 per cent had a technical or university qualification


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-18/dutton-warns-illiterate-refugees-will-take-aussie-jobs/7424198

Mr Hammer wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 10:12am:

Or taking a job from an Aussie.

Which is it, Homo - they're all on welfare, or they're taking our jobs?

Make up your little mind.

Dutton is a great leader. Anybody who gets dumb do-gooders  riled up is a friend of mine. Thank you Dutton. :)

greggerypeccary wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 10:15am:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 10:12am: Or taking a job from an Aussie.  Which is it, Homo - they're all on welfare, or they're taking our jobs? Make up your little mind.

A few of them will get jobs s hite for brains. Trolley collectors etc that anybody could do.

:(

greggerypeccary wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 10:14am:

Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 10:12am: Proving what a wonker you truly are Gregg? You last few posts have well and truly...  nothing factual, at all. "Dutton is a great leader."

Strawman...  don't quote me then post something as if I did say it.

I never said Dutton was a great leader...  you on the other hand have no idea if he would be one or not since he has never been one.  Wonker...

He is right on what I have said he was right on...  you on the other hand have not made a case for your ridicule and stupidity.  Wonker.

Pecca would love a few low skilled migrants working in yuppie Victoria Park. He'd employ a nice desperate Sri Lankan family as a personals slave to scrub the skiddies out of his undies and do his absolute bidding. Maybe even a couple of pizza delivery drivers for the boutique hipster pizza joints.

:(

greggerypeccary wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 10:10am:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 10:05am: Dutton is a great leader. https://media.giphy.com/media/Ne7aenG4oM1Py/giphy.gif http://memesvault.com/wp-content/uploads/Laughing-Animated-Gif-15.gif http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu170/bringthebeards/Laughing/conan-rofl.gif http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu170/bringthebeards/Laughing/Jermainlaugh.gif

;D ;D

Grendel wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 10:22am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 10:14am: Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 10:12am: Proving what a wonker you truly are Gregg? You last few posts have well and truly...  nothing factual, at all. "Dutton is a great leader." I never said Dutton was a great leader...

So, we're all agreed then: he's not a great leader - he's a complete fool.

Glad we got that sorted.

These do-gooders dislike Dutton but don't have a bad word to say about that incompetent snivelling rodent Bowen. He should be prosecuted for negligence due to all the death and money wastage that happened when he was immigration minister.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 10:15am:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 10:12am: Or taking a job from an Aussie.  Which is it, Homo - they're all on welfare, or they're taking our jobs? Make up your little mind.

Speaking of little minds that is the problem with binary thinking, seeing only yes or no alternatives.  A more realistic and nuanced view, one unavailable to a binary black and white thinker is that it can be both. 

Some will take lower paying jobs, especially jobs off the books, others will go on the dole, most will put pressure on social services and some will go on the dole and do sneaky work on the side. 

Secret Wars wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 10:53am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 10:15am: Mr Hammer wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 10:12am: Or taking a job from an Aussie.  Which is it, Homo - they're all on welfare, or they're taking our jobs? Make up your little mind. Some will take lower paying jobs, especially jobs off the books, others will go on the dole, most will put pressure on social services and some will go on the dole and do sneaky work on the side.

Just like white Australians do.

What's your problem?

Mr Hammer wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 10:26am:

Pecca would love a few low skilled migrants working in yuppie Victoria Park.

There are plenty working here already.

They do a good job too.

Give me two of them over one of you, any day.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 10:55am:

Secret Wars wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 10:53am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 10:15am: Mr Hammer wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 10:12am: Or taking a job from an Aussie.  Which is it, Homo - they're all on welfare, or they're taking our jobs? Make up your little mind. Some will take lower paying jobs, especially jobs off the books, others will go on the dole, most will put pressure on social services and some will go on the dole and do sneaky work on the side.  Just like white Australians do. What's your problem?

I was addressing your binary idiocy. 


greggerypeccary wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 10:15am:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 10:12am: Or taking a job from an Aussie.  Which is it, Homo - they're all on welfare, or they're taking our jobs? Make up your little mind.

Secret Wars wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 10:59am:

I was addressing your binary idiocy.

Mr Hammer's binary idiocy.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 10:47am:

Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 10:22am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 10:14am: Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 10:12am: Proving what a wonker you truly are Gregg? You last few posts have well and truly...  nothing factual, at all. "Dutton is a great leader." I never said Dutton was a great leader...  So, we're all agreed then: he's not a great leader - he's a complete fool. Glad we got that sorted.

No....  stop being a complete Fwit.
I never said that either.
No one will ever sort you out because you have no respect for others.

Grendel wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 11:03am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 10:47am: Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 10:22am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 10:14am: Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 10:12am: Proving what a wonker you truly are Gregg? You last few posts have well and truly...  nothing factual, at all. "Dutton is a great leader." I never said Dutton was a great leader...  So, we're all agreed then: he's not a great leader - he's a complete fool. Glad we got that sorted. No....

Make up your mind.

Is he a great leader, or not?

Grendel wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 11:03am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 10:47am: Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 10:22am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 10:14am: Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 10:12am: Proving what a wonker you truly are Gregg? You last few posts have well and truly...  nothing factual, at all. "Dutton is a great leader." I never said Dutton was a great leader...  So, we're all agreed then: he's not a great leader - he's a complete fool. Glad we got that sorted. No....  stop being a complete Fwit. I never said that either. No one will ever sort you out because you have no respect for others.

Wassup Gregg....  got nothing as usual. :D :D :D

Grendel wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 11:06am:

Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 11:03am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 10:47am: Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 10:22am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 10:14am: Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 10:12am: Proving what a wonker you truly are Gregg? You last few posts have well and truly...  nothing factual, at all. "Dutton is a great leader." I never said Dutton was a great leader...  So, we're all agreed then: he's not a great leader - he's a complete fool. Glad we got that sorted. No....  stop being a complete Fwit. I never said that either. No one will ever sort you out because you have no respect for others. Wassup Gregg....  got nothing as usual.

Is he a great leader or not?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 11:14am:

Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 11:06am: Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 11:03am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 10:47am: Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 10:22am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 10:14am: Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 10:12am: Proving what a wonker you truly are Gregg? You last few posts have well and truly...  nothing factual, at all. "Dutton is a great leader." I never said Dutton was a great leader...  So, we're all agreed then: he's not a great leader - he's a complete fool. Glad we got that sorted. No....  stop being a complete Fwit. I never said that either. No one will ever sort you out because you have no respect for others. Wassup Gregg....  got nothing as usual. Is he a great leader or not? A simple yes or no will suffice.

Was he wrong about refugees yes or no?

As for being a leader ask me after he's been leader of the Liberal party or some other party.  Strawman.

Grendel wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 11:06am:

Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 11:03am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 10:47am: Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 10:22am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 10:14am: Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 10:12am: Proving what a wonker you truly are Gregg? You last few posts have well and truly...  nothing factual, at all. "Dutton is a great leader." I never said Dutton was a great leader...  So, we're all agreed then: he's not a great leader - he's a complete fool. Glad we got that sorted. No....  stop being a complete Fwit. I never said that either. No one will ever sort you out because you have no respect for others. Wassup Gregg....  got nothing as usual. :D :D :D

poor widdle pecca is having a cry.

Poll added, for Grendel.

MEANWHILE - BACK AT THE DUTTON RANCH!!

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/31630445/refugees-would-take-jobs-dutton/?cmp=ydn&cmp=ydn&utm_source=Marketing&utm_medium=Emarsys&utm_campaign=DailySnapshot

The refos are taking the jobs, says Dutton!!

My response:-  WHAT farken jobs, Dutto?

............ in other breaking news... Turnbull runs for the hills over Dutton refo comments........

Meanwhile:-

"Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has distanced himself from comments his immigration minister made about "illiterate and innumerate" refugees swamping welfare queues and taking the jobs of locals.

Peter Dutton took aim at Labor for pledging to nearly double the annual humanitarian intake to 27,000 and the Greens for wanting it raised to 50,000.

The coalition supports the existing intake of 13,750 that rises to 18,750 in 2018-19.

"For many people they won't be numerate or literate in their own language let alone English ... these people would be taking Australian jobs and there is no question about that," he said

Labor and the Greens have labelled the comments xenophobic and deeply offensive.

Mr Turnbull didn't directly respond to the minister's remarks when quizzed by reporters in Cairns on Wednesday.

"We have the most successful multicultural society in the world," he said.

He acknowledged that resettling refugees came at a cost to the budget but the government "did not begrudge the money".

Labor accused Mr Dutton of trying to fan the flames of a debate around refugees and asylum seekers.

"This is very ugly indeed," opposition immigration spokesman Richard Marles said, citing the success of refugees such as businessmen Sidney Myer and Frank Lowy.

Former Labor immigration minister Chris Bowen called on Mr Dutton to apologise.

"There are hundreds of thousands of refugees in Australia who have worked hard, educated themselves and their children and they will be shaking their heads ... in disgust," he told ABC Radio.

Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young was appalled by what she said was the minister's scaremongering.

But Foreign Minister Julie Bishop came to Mr Dutton's defence saying he was pointing out self-evident facts.

It was expensive to resettle people, and refugees should contribute to society by gaining employment, she said.

Cabinet colleague Mathias Cormann said what the Greens were proposing was neither affordable or sustainable.

Last week, government backbencher George Christensen declared he didn't want any of the 12,000 Syrians coming to Australia as part of a special intake resettled in his Queensland regional electorate because they would increase competition for local jobs.

But other rural areas are lining up the welcome mats keen for an economic stimulus and to fill worker shortages in agriculture and meat processing.

NSW Regional councils such as Wagga Wagga, Albury, Coffs Harbour, Wollongong and Newcastle are among those offering to resettle refugee families.

A study last year found resettlement of 170 Karen refugees from Myanmar (Burma) in the rural Victoria town of Nhill had created 70 jobs and added $40 million to the struggling community's economy."

**chokes life out of page turner - that'll work!  Bit like starving the unemployed - is no unemployed, is no problem!**

Vic wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 8:55am:

A terrible Health Minister and an equally bad Immigration Minister.  Let's see how long it takes the PM, and Julie Bishop to refute his statements.  If this cabbage is supposedly one of the better Ministers on the front bench then Labor are a shoe in for election

Already done - Turnie has run for cover...... watch my back will ya, guys - while I make my escape.....

greggerypeccary wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 11:29am:

Poll added, for Grendel.

Gee thanks...  is it loaded and wrong like your questions? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Grendel wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 1:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 11:29am: Poll added, for Grendel. Gee thanks...  is it loaded and wrong like your questions?

Is Dutton a "great leader" ?

Yes, or No.

Grendel wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 10:09am:

Really? No clue? Then why are most Refugees still on welfare after 5 years. I doubt he is totally correct in saying they take Australian jobs which if they do have a job they definitely do. But, they do take taxpayer funds that they have never contributed to and they do it for a long time. Those few that make a go of it through luck or effort good for them.  But this crap about xenophobia is just that more politicking from the dishonest LW progs in our society. Personally I think most of us are way past being sick of the dishonesty.

And 457 visa holders don't???

greggerypeccary wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 11:29am:

Poll added, for Grendel.

Poll needs another choice.....
Wouldn't make a leader's arsehole, even if it WAS Abbott's.

"They won't be numerate or literate in their own language, let alone English," Mr Dutton said.

"These people would be taking Australian jobs, there's no question about that.

How clever...
Managed to insult refugees AND Australians in consecutive sentences.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 2:10pm:

Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 1:47pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 11:29am: Poll added, for Grendel. Gee thanks...  is it loaded and wrong like your questions? Is Dutton a "great leader" ? Yes, or No.

:D :D :D :D :D
Do wake up to yourself.
I note the LW progs are now going troppo and crapping on about racism and making up strawmen just like you Gregg.
Pathetic really ::)

Lobo wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 2:18pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 11:29am: Poll added, for Grendel. Poll needs another choice..... Wouldn't make a leader's arsehole, even if it WAS Abbott's.

Just another bullshit line to make it look as if the LNP isn't just a bunch of followers but are actually catholic in their views.... yet at the same time if a Labrador steps out of 'line' they are on it like a cat on a fat mouse....

Anyway - at this time of day it's Duty's Thirst and Who Cares Who Wins!  I'll raise a glass to BigVic while he suffers....

Lobo wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 2:21pm:

"They won't be numerate or literate in their own language, let alone English," Mr Dutton said. "These people would be taking Australian jobs, there's no question about that. How clever... Managed to insult refugees AND Australians in consecutive sentences.

Depends on the numbers and what you read into them....  :P

This government publication usually hurts the dried-ons who carry on about some mythical boat invasion.....

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/rp1415/AsylumFacts

Hands up all those who bother to read it.

Grendel wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 3:44pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 2:10pm: Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 1:47pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 11:29am: Poll added, for Grendel. Gee thanks...  is it loaded and wrong like your questions? Is Dutton a "great leader" ? Yes, or No. Do wake up to yourself.

Wide awake here.

What's your answer - yes, or no?

Day turk awe jerbs

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greggerypeccary wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 3:47pm:

Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 3:44pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 2:10pm: Grendel wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 1:47pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 11:29am: Poll added, for Grendel. Gee thanks...  is it loaded and wrong like your questions? Is Dutton a "great leader" ? Yes, or No. Do wake up to yourself. Wide awake here. What's your answer - yes, or no?

:D
Tell you after he's been a leader for a while.
Meanwhile I'll stay on topic. ::)
I note you have so far failed to answer my on topic yes or no question...  hypocrite. ;)

Oh and Gregg if you want to know what I think of Dutton, as a pollie, the answer is not much.

Opposition leader Bill Shorten has blasted Immigration Minister Peter Dutton for saying refugees are often "illiterate and innumerate" and steal the jobs of locals.



Mr Dutton had taken aim at Labor for pledging to nearly double the annual refugee intake to 27,000 and the Greens for wanting it raised to 50,000.

Read more at http://www.9news.com.au/national/2016/05/18/13/04/bill-shorten-labels-dutton-pathetic-over-illiterate-refugee-comments#IeQuqWFX74boC8kj.99




It shows you where Labor is on border protection. You vote for them and the same nightmare will start up again.

Well....
Stick this up your nose, Dutton.
And all you other f@#kwits.

A Goulburn Valley fruit farmer who arrived from Nauru as an illiterate refugee and now employs dozens of labourers has defended the work ethic of refugees and their contribution to Australia.

Refugees find it easy to get jobs here. If you don't understand English you can still work.

Nabi Baqiri, an Afghan granted asylum in 2004, said refugees are hard workers and form the backbone of the fruit-picking workforce around Shepparton in Victoria, along with Pacific Islanders and backpackers.

Mr Baqiri's experience is that refugees do not take jobs away from Australians, saying anyone willing to pick fruit around Shepparton and the Goulburn Valley can get work.


In a profile of Mr Baqiri published in the Sunday Age in February, he revealed that he remains illiterate despite having made himself a multi-millionaire through hard work at the 182-hectare Kaarimba orchard that he co-owns with business partner Gerard Alampi.

They employ up to 40 pickers at a time, depending on the season, and currently have two refugees working in their cherry orchards.


http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2016/election-2016-illiterate-farmer-defends-refugees-against-peter-dutton-attack-20160518-goxri0?&utm_source=social&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=nc&eid=socialn%3Afac-14omn0013-optim-nnn%3Anonpaid-25062014-social_traffic-all-organicpost-nnn-smh-o&campaign_code=nocode&promote_channel=social_facebook

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Lobo wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 7:05pm:

Well.... Stick this up your nose, Dutton. And all you other f@#kwits. A Goulburn Valley fruit farmer who arrived from Nauru as an illiterate refugee and now employs dozens of labourers has defended the work ethic of refugees and their contribution to Australia. Refugees find it easy to get jobs here. If you don't understand English you can still work. Nabi Baqiri, an Afghan granted asylum in 2004, said refugees are hard workers and form the backbone of the fruit-picking workforce around Shepparton in Victoria, along with Pacific Islanders and backpackers. Mr Baqiri's experience is that refugees do not take jobs away from Australians, saying anyone willing to pick fruit around Shepparton and the Goulburn Valley can get work. In a profile of Mr Baqiri published in the Sunday Age in February, he revealed that he remains illiterate despite having made himself a multi-millionaire through hard work at the 182-hectare Kaarimba orchard that he co-owns with business partner Gerard Alampi. They employ up to 40 pickers at a time, depending on the season, and currently have two refugees working in their cherry orchards. http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2016/election-2016-illiterate-farmer-defends-refugees-against-peter-dutton-attack-20160518-goxri0?&utm_source=social&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=nc&eid=socialn%3Afac-14omn0013-optim-nnn%3Anonpaid-25062014-social_traffic-all-organicpost-nnn-smh-o&campaign_code=nocode&promote_channel=social_facebook

WOW The little pretend soldier boy has found one out of  40.000  or what ever   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Not surprisingly, the very deep in denial Lefties and Greenies are squawking unrestrainedly about Dutto speaking the COLD HARD TRUTH about the Greenies ILLEGAL INVASION of Australia by bomb carrying blood thirsty ISIS ISLAMICS.

Even the intellectually tainted Lefties and Greenies probably realize subconsciously that the LNP has started to open up the REALLY BIG GUNS that have been trained on the Socialists just waiting for the order to FIRE!!

And sucker Snorten has exposed his vitals to enemy fire by prevaricating about the extremely sensitive issue of border protection.

Shorty is caught in a cleft stick as there is now mutiny on the Labor Titanic hurtling towards the election iceberg and Shorty is trying to suck up to the Greenies Agenda 21 and now Agenda 2030 requirement of NO BORDERS.

Commander Malcolm has given the order to FIRE!!!!!  And now poor little Shorty is mortally wounded and the LNP has only just started to blast the socialists to smithereens. The shells with Shorty's union transgressions uncovered by Tony Abbott's TURC written on them haven't even been fired yet.

And now it has come out that the diseased Greenies want to try to turn our kiddies into queers by sabotaging the Australian Education system.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/05/13/00/3419FF2A00000578-3587953-image-a-13_1463095364306.jpg

Poor Shorty is having trouble keeping abreast of all this open borders Greenie Agenda 21 rubbish.

juliar wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 10:45am:

Not surprisingly, the very deep in denial Lefties and Greenies are squawking unrestrainedly about Dutto speaking the COLD HARD TRUTH about the Greenies ILLEGAL INVASION of Australia by bomb carrying blood thirsty ISIS ISLAMICS. Even the intellectually tainted Lefties and Greenies probably realize subconsciously that the LNP has started to open up the REALLY BIG GUNS that have been trained on the Socialists just waiting for the order to FIRE!! And sucker Snorten has exposed his vitals to enemy fire by prevaricating about the extremely sensitive issue of border protection. Shorty is caught in a cleft stick as there is now mutiny on the Labor Titanic hurtling towards the election iceberg and Shorty is trying to suck up to the Greenies Agenda 21 and now Agenda 2030 requirement of NO BORDERS. Commander Malcolm has given the order to FIRE!!!!!  And now poor little Shorty is mortally wounded and the LNP has only just started to blast the socialists to smithereens. The shells with Shorty's union transgressions uncovered by Tony Abbott's TURC written on them haven't even been fired yet. And now it has come out that the diseased Greenies want to try to turn our kiddies into queers by sabotaging the Australian Education system.

Classic    ;D

Greg,

glad you appreciate a TRUTHFUL exposition of the TRUTH about the Socialist sickness trying to destroy our Australia.

Re Juliar

Australia had always been a socialistic country.   Socialism had made Australia better rather than worse.   Our medical system is one of the more efficient and cost effective system in the developed countries.  We are leagues ahead against countries like the USA in terms of health outcome

You probably was born in a hospital, went to a school, and had driven on roads funded by tax payers. 

Its a bit hypocritical of you to say socialist 'illness' trying to destroy Australia, when you benefit from it. 

tickleandrose wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 11:33am:

Its a bit hypocritical of you to say socialist 'illness' trying to destroy Australia

it seems his time in hospital was cut short .. he still needs some medical treatment

juliar wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 11:10am:

Greg, glad you appreciate a TRUTHFUL exposition of the TRUTH about the Socialist sickness trying to destroy our Australia.

Stop it.

My sides are aching.

juliar wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 10:45am:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/05/13/00/3419FF2A00000578-3587953-image-a-13_1463095364306.jpg Poor Shorty is having trouble keeping abreast of all this open borders Greenie Agenda 21 rubbish.

You wouldnt get your dole if it wasnt for socialism

"Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has accused Labor of "demonising" Peter Dutton over his refugee comments"


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They won't be numerate or literate in their own language, let alone English. These people would be taking Australian jobs, there's no question about that. For many of them that would be unemployed, they would languish in unemployment queues and on Medicare and the rest of it so there would be huge cost and there's no sense in sugar-coating that, that's the scenario

Stand up and applaud Australia. Dutton's comments are a virtual work of art.

In the space of three sentences, refugees were painted as the cleverest bunch of illiterate yet industrious job-hogging layabout if completely hypothetical invaders the Australian people had ever been invited to collectively clutch their pearls over.

The comedy styling's of Dutton always bring out a giggle in people, who can forget the comedy of errors that was Operation Fortitude or his wreck a photo op moment when a hovering microphone caught his light banter about sea levels rising and drowning our pacific neighbours.

Raven for one looks forward to the next time he takes the stage.

A typical statement from a Lefty basking in the comfort of Welfare.

But the Lefties NEVER ask the very embarrassing to them question, "Where does the money for Welfare come from ?"

Fortunately Australia is essentially a CAPITALIST ECONOMY which means Australia earns money from exporting overseas.

Socialism is basically a disease that a Capitalist economy has to carry as there are always people who are sick or retired and no longer earn money.

A Capitalist economy has to reduce Welfare expense as much as possible otherwise it becomes a crippling expense.

Now, as every Australian saw during the six years of shocking Socialist shame, waste and disgrace of the Krudd/Gillard/Krudd Socialist "govt", which was the worst "govt" in Australia's history,  the sick Socialist "solution" is to borrow BORROW BORROW to keep feeding the bloated Welfare beast.

The trouble with this is that the bloated Welfare beast produces NOTHING and the money is WASTED.

So the enormous debt left by the last six year Socialist shocker was totally wasted and there is nothing to show for it.

Thus the LNP govt started with an empty cash box and $1 billion/month repayment and a devastated export industry slashed and burnt by the Greenies pursuing their Agenda 21 insanity.

Thus the LNP has to slash the bloated Welfare beast, get export industries damaged by the Greenies and Bill's unions up and going again earning foreign income, and borrow to build up essential infrastructure such as road and rail to allow businesses to operate more efficiently.

Fortunately, it is now very unlikely that Bill will form the worst ever "govt" in Australia's history with the revolting Greenies, and so Australia will prosper and thrive under Malcolm's steady guiding Capitalist hand.



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Funny how history repeats itself isn't it as Bill follows Juliar into Davey Jones' locker...

Its time wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 11:48am:

juliar wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:45am: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/05/13/00/3419FF2A00000578-3587953-image-a-13_1463095364306.jpg Poor Shorty is having trouble keeping abreast of all this open borders Greenie Agenda 21 rubbish. You wouldnt get your dole if it wasnt for socialism

Are you sure that "juliar" isn't on the DSP?

tickleandrose wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 11:33am:

Re Juliar Australia had always been a socialistic country.   Socialism had made Australia better rather than worse.   Our medical system is one of the more efficient and cost effective system in the developed countries.  We are leagues ahead against countries like the USA in terms of health outcome You probably was born in a hospital, went to a school, and had driven on roads funded by tax payers.  Its a bit hypocritical of you to say socialist 'illness' trying to destroy Australia, when you benefit from it.

Australian has never been socialist or communist.

Bam wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 1:24pm:

Its time wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 11:48am: juliar wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:45am: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/05/13/00/3419FF2A00000578-3587953-image-a-13_1463095364306.jpg Poor Shorty is having trouble keeping abreast of all this open borders Greenie Agenda 21 rubbish. You wouldnt get your dole if it wasnt for socialism Are you sure that "juliar" isn't on the DSP?

On something, that is undeniable  :)

Noticed Mutton spent most of today backtracking and telling us great the asylum seekers have been for his country  ;D ;D ;D

Apart from the dubious claim about refugees taking jobs from Australians what Dutton actually said rings true.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/judith-sloan/federal-election-2016-few-arrivals-in-work-years-after-resettlement/news-story/f818f63f70302a390fc44eda6ce39243


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The point is that the government is right to be wary about the economic costs of taking more refugees, given the above information. The current annual intake is 13,750 humanitarian entrants, a figure that has been in place for some time. The government plans to increase this figure to 18,750 in 2018-19, as well as accept an additional 12,000 Syrian refugees in the meantime. Labor, by contrast, wants to increase the humanitarian annual intake to 27,000, which is estimated to cost an additional $2.3 billion over the budget forward estimates. The Greens want 50,000, which would cost an additional $7bn.

If you want stats backing up Dutton they are available on the Net and also in the article I have added the link to.

Get that Swinny...?
The link takes you to the actual article... ;D ;D ;D
I know you have problems understanding that.

Grendel wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 4:05pm:

Apart from the dubious claim about refugees taking jobs from Australians what Dutton actually said rings true. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/judith-sloan/federal-election-2016-few-arrivals-in-work-years-after-resettlement/news-story/f818f63f70302a390fc44eda6ce39243 Quote: The point is that the government is right to be wary about the economic costs of taking more refugees, given the above information. The current annual intake is 13,750 humanitarian entrants, a figure that has been in place for some time. The government plans to increase this figure to 18,750 in 2018-19, as well as accept an additional 12,000 Syrian refugees in the meantime. Labor, by contrast, wants to increase the humanitarian annual intake to 27,000, which is estimated to cost an additional $2.3 billion over the budget forward estimates. The Greens want 50,000, which would cost an additional $7bn. If you want stats backing up Dutton they are available on the Net and also in the article I have added the link to. Get that Swinny...? The link takes you to the actual article... ;D ;D ;D I know you have problems understanding that.

Link = paywall.


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Apart from the dubious claim about refugees taking jobs from Australians what Dutton actually said rings true.

Are you seeking to minimise or excuse the 'apart' bit?

No Troll I don't excuse it and haven't excused it.
But unlike you I haven't ignored the truth in the larger part of what he said.

So are you ignoring it still or do you think he's wrong when the facts say he's right?

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Paywall?
ABS stats....


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So what do we know? Three quarters of refugees who come to Australia have some high school education or lower levels. Close to one-fifth have no formal education. These results really should not surprise us because so many refugees have come from war-torn countries and have lived chaotic lives. What is perhaps more disturbing is the fact that 60 per cent of refugees have not acquired a new qualification five years after their arrival. As the Settlement of New Arrivals report notes: “Most who arrive with little or no education do not obtain any education after arrival.’’ We also know that few have jobs. According to the latest figures, less than one-quarter of refugees work for a wage or salary and almost 12 per cent are unemployed. This compares with 80 per cent of skilled migrants who work for a wage or salary. As far as welfare dependence is concerned, a high percentage of refugees receive Centrelink payments, even five years after arriving. Again quoting the Settlement of New Arrivals report: “Humanitarian entrants are heavily dependent on Centrelink payments and, based on information reported in this survey, that dependency reduces only slightly over time.’’ There are, however, some marked differences according to country of birth. For example, nearly 94 per cent of refugees from Afghanistan receive Centrelink payments five years on compared with 73 per cent of refugees from Sri Lanka. The ABS survey on the personal incomes of migrants tells us that refugees earn much less than other migrants and take many years to settle in. Even after 10 years, refugees earn less than half of what skilled migrants earn, on average.

Grendel wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 4:18pm:

No Troll I don't excuse it and haven't excused it. But unlike you I haven't ignored the truth in the larger part of what he said. So are you ignoring it still or do you think he's wrong when the facts say he's right?

Sometimes it is more diplomatic not to use brutish language when you can make the same point  (as Turdfull did) without being accusatorial or derogatory.

Dutton is a clumsy clutz.

Aussie wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 4:24pm:

Grendel wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 4:18pm: No Troll I don't excuse it and haven't excused it. But unlike you I haven't ignored the truth in the larger part of what he said. So are you ignoring it still or do you think he's wrong when the facts say he's right? Sometimes it is more diplomatic not to use brutish language when you can make the same point  (as Turdfull did) without being accusatorial or derogatory.

What is so "brutish" about what Grendel said?

What was brutish or racist about what Dutton said? :D :D :D :D :D

Grendel wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 4:38pm:

What was brutish or racist about what Dutton said? :D :D :D :D :D

;D ;D ;D  THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Grendel wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 4:38pm:

What was brutish or racist about what Dutton said? :D :D :D :D :D

Who mentioned 'racist?'

Neil McMahon:


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"They won't be numerate or literate in their own language, let alone English. These people would be taking Australian jobs, there's no question about that. For many of them that would be unemployed, they would languish in unemployment queues and on Medicare and the rest of it so there would be huge cost and there's no sense in sugar-coating that, that's the scenario." What a moment for Peter Dutton. Like a mountaineer opting to climb the final stage of Everest in thongs, he first boldly threw aside an Australian leader's favourite tool of trade - dog whistle be gone; no need for it once you have mastered the art of actually barking. And then he gave us what might be called the "English Overboard" affair of the 2016 campaign, a neat bookend to the kiddies-in-the-drink spectacular that so distinguished the 2001 showdown - the very election at which Dutton first presented his chiselled features and chosen fancies to voters. Dutton's statement on asylum seekers was, in its way a work of art - and a particularly Queensland work of art at that. Sir Joh Bjelke-Petersen himself would've been proud to have produced this collision of words and sentences, tumbling forth and governed only by the rule that each sentence was to make a swift nonsense of the sentence immediately preceding it. And what a joy it is to behold - a minister holding forth on questions of literacy with the grammatical flair of an autocorrected drunk text.

More panty wetting from the right-whingers.

Geez, those poll must be looking really sad for the Libs....

Aussie wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 5:01pm:

Grendel wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 4:38pm: What was brutish or racist about what Dutton said? :D :D :D :D :D Who mentioned 'racist?'

The Greens and I thought I heard Bill Shorten or some other higher up in the ALP use that word too.

Are you saying no one said it?
Do you think what Dutton said was racist?
Are facts racist?

You aren't very good at following politics are you

Grendel wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 5:38pm:

Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 5:01pm: Grendel wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 4:38pm: What was brutish or racist about what Dutton said? :D :D :D :D :D Who mentioned 'racist?' The Greens and I thought I heard Bill Shorten or some other higher up in the ALP use that word too. Are you saying no one said it? Do you think what Dutton said was racist? Are facts racist? You aren't very good at following politics are you

I don't care what others say.  I am accountable for what I say, and I made no mention of race.

Aussie wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 5:51pm:

Grendel wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 5:38pm: Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 5:01pm: Grendel wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 4:38pm: What was brutish or racist about what Dutton said? :D :D :D :D :D Who mentioned 'racist?' The Greens and I thought I heard Bill Shorten or some other higher up in the ALP use that word too. Are you saying no one said it? Do you think what Dutton said was racist? Are facts racist? You aren't very good at following politics are you I don't care what others say.  I am accountable for what I say, and I made no mention of race.

Hi Stupid...  I never said your did.

Oh and Wilkie said it too.

Aussie wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 5:51pm:

Grendel wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 5:38pm: Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 5:01pm: Grendel wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 4:38pm: What was brutish or racist about what Dutton said? :D :D :D :D :D Who mentioned 'racist?' The Greens and I thought I heard Bill Shorten or some other higher up in the ALP use that word too. Are you saying no one said it? Do you think what Dutton said was racist? Are facts racist? You aren't very good at following politics are you I don't care what others say.  I am accountable for what I say, and I made no mention of race.

Hi Stupid...  I never said your did.

Oh and Wilkie said it too.

I don't care what Wilkie said.  Do you?

Aussie wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 8:08pm:

I don't care what Wilkie said.  Do you?

No...  but he did that makes my comment unlike yours relevant.

I keep asking you questions you keep ignoring them.

TROLL...

That's why PA banned you.

Wilkie is a worry, but then you have a habit of supporting worries and buffoons at elections... still voting for CLIVE?

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No...  but he did that makes my comment unlike yours relevant.

Ah.....so....your comments are relevant when Wilkie also makes them!!!!!

Yay for you.

I'll make a note of that.

Grendel wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 8:12pm:

I keep asking you questions you keep ignoring them

maybe he learnt that trick from you?

John Smith wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 8:16pm:

Grendel wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 8:12pm: I keep asking you questions you keep ignoring them maybe he learnt that trick from you?

I doubt there would be any question Grendel asked of me that I did not respond to.  Maybe he can link me to them?

Just because refugees are country hopping and trying to get to Australia - it doesn't make them our problem.

If I am on my way to New York and I have a crash going to the airport in England, does it make it the United States responsibility to help me out - purely because I was heading there?

Aussie wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 8:18pm:

John Smith wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 8:16pm: Grendel wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 8:12pm: I keep asking you questions you keep ignoring them maybe he learnt that trick from you? I doubt there would be any question Grendel asked of me that I did not respond to.  Maybe he can link me to them?

goose never gives a straight answer ... his usual answer is 'i already answered that', closely followed by 'do your own research' and 'look for it yourself'

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 8:20pm:

Just because refugees are country hopping and trying to get to Australia - it doesn't make them our problem. If I am on my way to New York and I have a crash going to the airport in England, does it make it the United States responsibility to help me out - purely because I was heading there?

No.  There is no UN Convention which covers that.

It all boils down to the basic fact that we are a signatory, and we have not repudiated.

John Smith wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 8:22pm:

Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 8:18pm: John Smith wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 8:16pm: Grendel wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 8:12pm: I keep asking you questions you keep ignoring them maybe he learnt that trick from you? I doubt there would be any question Grendel asked of me that I did not respond to.  Maybe he can link me to them? goose never gives a straight answer ... his usual answer is 'i already answered that', closely followed by 'do your own research' and 'look for it yourself'

Yeas, I know, but he seems oblivious to his useless habits.

Aussie wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 8:30pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 8:20pm: Just because refugees are country hopping and trying to get to Australia - it doesn't make them our problem. If I am on my way to New York and I have a crash going to the airport in England, does it make it the United States responsibility to help me out - purely because I was heading there? No.  There is no UN Convention which covers that. It all boils down to the basic fact that we are a signatory, and we have not repudiated.

As are France, who also completely ignore it and push them through their border.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 8:38pm:

Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 8:30pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 8:20pm: Just because refugees are country hopping and trying to get to Australia - it doesn't make them our problem. If I am on my way to New York and I have a crash going to the airport in England, does it make it the United States responsibility to help me out - purely because I was heading there? No.  There is no UN Convention which covers that. It all boils down to the basic fact that we are a signatory, and we have not repudiated. As are France, who also completely ignore it and push them through their border.

I'm not French.  The Frogs are not my political problem.

Aussie wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 8:44pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 8:38pm: Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 8:30pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 8:20pm: Just because refugees are country hopping and trying to get to Australia - it doesn't make them our problem. If I am on my way to New York and I have a crash going to the airport in England, does it make it the United States responsibility to help me out - purely because I was heading there? No.  There is no UN Convention which covers that. It all boils down to the basic fact that we are a signatory, and we have not repudiated. As are France, who also completely ignore it and push them through their border. I'm not French.  The Frogs are not my political problem.

Its not a problem.
They are responding to the wishes of their populace.

As are both Australian political parties if you look at what the majority of Australians want in polls.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 8:47pm:

Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 8:44pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 8:38pm: Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 8:30pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 8:20pm: Just because refugees are country hopping and trying to get to Australia - it doesn't make them our problem. If I am on my way to New York and I have a crash going to the airport in England, does it make it the United States responsibility to help me out - purely because I was heading there? No.  There is no UN Convention which covers that. It all boils down to the basic fact that we are a signatory, and we have not repudiated. As are France, who also completely ignore it and push them through their border. I'm not French.  The Frogs are not my political problem. Its not a problem. They are responding to the wishes of their populace. As are both Australian political parties if you look at what the majority of Australians want in polls.

Show me the Polls you are referring to.

There are many - however you agree that in the vast majority of polls - Australians support offshore processing and turning boats around?
The majority have always swayed to this.

There are many polls that can be posted to show this, here is one example


The Lowy Institute released its latest poll, conducted in February 2014, on Australian attitudes to a range of international issues. In relation to asylum seekers and refugees, the poll found:

71% agreed the government should turn back boats when safe to do so
59% support offshore processing in Nauru and PNG
48% agree with temporary protection visas, and 49% disagree -

http://www.kaldorcentre.unsw.edu.au/news/lowy-institute-poll-shows-australias-attitudes-asylum-seekers-and-refugees#sthash.Crd5jWC5.dpuf

May 17, 2016


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3594952/Essential-Research-poll-finds-Australians-don-t-want-refugees.html

Almost three in four Australians do not want to see the country's refugee intake increased to help tackle the current crisis in the Middle East and Europe.

A new poll found just 28 per cent think the number of humanitarian arrivals Australia accepts should be increased from the current figure of 13,750, SBS reports.

An additional 12,000 refugees will be taken from the Syrian conflict


The poll, conducted by ­Essential Research, also found that 59 per cent of those surveyed believe immigration to Australia has been too high over the last decade.

Only 38 per cent said they agreed that, 'accepting refugees is something a wealthy nation like Australia should do to support poorer nations.'

However, the poll results weren't entirely against immigration, with 62 per cent saying they believe multiculturalism and diversity has made Australia a better place.

The results also outline one of the key voter sentiments ahead of the Federal Election, with 41 per cent saying they would 'trust' the Liberal Party to have the right policies on immigration, compared to just 28 per cent who would 'trust' the Labor Party.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 8:47pm:

Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 8:44pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 8:38pm: Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 8:30pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 8:20pm: Just because refugees are country hopping and trying to get to Australia - it doesn't make them our problem. If I am on my way to New York and I have a crash going to the airport in England, does it make it the United States responsibility to help me out - purely because I was heading there? No.  There is no UN Convention which covers that. It all boils down to the basic fact that we are a signatory, and we have not repudiated. As are France, who also completely ignore it and push them through their border. I'm not French.  The Frogs are not my political problem. Its not a problem. They are responding to the wishes of their populace. As are both Australian political parties if you look at what the majority of Australians want in polls.

Have they polled any Yarpies?

In England?

John Smith wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 8:30am:

hang on! aren't the libs always crying that they don't want refugee's because they sit on the dole for the rest of their lives? I think the libs are confused again ... either they are taking our jobs, or they're on the dole ... they can't be both. :D :D :D

more importantly, if the illiterate and innumerate can steal jobs then what is Dutton saying about Australian labour?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 9:05pm:

John Smith wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 8:30am: hang on! aren't the libs always crying that they don't want refugee's because they sit on the dole for the rest of their lives? I think the libs are confused again ... either they are taking our jobs, or they're on the dole ... they can't be both. :D :D :D more importantly, if the illiterate and innumerate can steal jobs then what is Dutton saying about Australian labour?

Pretty much the same thing I have thought about the average Australian floor worker.

From my experience of rank and file workers in Australia, they seem pretty quick to mouth

Penalty rates
Overtime
Long service leave (seriously wtf is that....)
Annual leave
It's my day off
Come in on a weekend? What do I get out of it?


Etc etc etc

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 9:05pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 9:05pm: John Smith wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 8:30am: hang on! aren't the libs always crying that they don't want refugee's because they sit on the dole for the rest of their lives? I think the libs are confused again ... either they are taking our jobs, or they're on the dole ... they can't be both. :D :D :D more importantly, if the illiterate and innumerate can steal jobs then what is Dutton saying about Australian labour? Pretty much the same thing I have thought about the average Australian floor worker.

Nepotism will invariably give one an elitist opinion

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 9:05pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 9:05pm: John Smith wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 8:30am: hang on! aren't the libs always crying that they don't want refugee's because they sit on the dole for the rest of their lives? I think the libs are confused again ... either they are taking our jobs, or they're on the dole ... they can't be both. :D :D :D more importantly, if the illiterate and innumerate can steal jobs then what is Dutton saying about Australian labour? Pretty much the same thing I have thought about the average Australian floor worker.

except skilled Australian labour is highly sought after in the US. So what is Dutton saying about US labour? 

;D

Its time wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 9:07pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 9:05pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 9:05pm: John Smith wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 8:30am: hang on! aren't the libs always crying that they don't want refugee's because they sit on the dole for the rest of their lives? I think the libs are confused again ... either they are taking our jobs, or they're on the dole ... they can't be both. :D :D :D more importantly, if the illiterate and innumerate can steal jobs then what is Dutton saying about Australian labour? Pretty much the same thing I have thought about the average Australian floor worker. Nepotism will invariably give one an elitist opinion

I'll take your word for it, I have no experience of nepotism myself.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 9:10pm:

Its time wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 9:07pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 9:05pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 9:05pm: John Smith wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 8:30am: hang on! aren't the libs always crying that they don't want refugee's because they sit on the dole for the rest of their lives? I think the libs are confused again ... either they are taking our jobs, or they're on the dole ... they can't be both. :D :D :D more importantly, if the illiterate and innumerate can steal jobs then what is Dutton saying about Australian labour? Pretty much the same thing I have thought about the average Australian floor worker. Nepotism will invariably give one an elitist opinion I'll take your word for it, I have no experience of nepotism myself.

You dont come across as very intelligent , smart or street smart , im calling it as nepotism jew  :)

Its time wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 9:15pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 9:10pm: Its time wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 9:07pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 9:05pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 9:05pm: John Smith wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 8:30am: hang on! aren't the libs always crying that they don't want refugee's because they sit on the dole for the rest of their lives? I think the libs are confused again ... either they are taking our jobs, or they're on the dole ... they can't be both. :D :D :D more importantly, if the illiterate and innumerate can steal jobs then what is Dutton saying about Australian labour? Pretty much the same thing I have thought about the average Australian floor worker. Nepotism will invariably give one an elitist opinion I'll take your word for it, I have no experience of nepotism myself. You dont come across as very intelligent , smart or street smart , im calling it as nepotism jew  :)

your antisemitic nonsense is not needed. It doesn't even make sense why you would be - the jewish people have a lot more in common with you than the terrorists you victimise, who would chop off your head in an instant.

I'll give you a chance to withdraw the anti Semitic personal reference.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 9:21pm:

I'll give you a chance to withdraw the anti Semitic personal reference.

What do the polls say about Aussies wanting Yarpies here, son?

You haven’t said.

[quote author=Andrei.Hicks link63524120/131#131 date=1463656883]I'll give you a chance to withdraw the anti Semitic personal reference.[/quote]

Anti semitic my arse , if i have to serve my second ban for hopping in to you and calling it it for the way i see it then so be it , i will give you this much , at least you're making effort to give people heads up these days . I will not be retracting or apoligising so do what you must andrei

Andrei calls refugees "rubbish people".

Apart from the ones in WWII.

You know who.

Its time wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 9:41pm:

[quote author=Andrei.Hicks link63524120/131#131 date=1463656883]I'll give you a chance to withdraw the anti Semitic personal reference.

Anti semitic my arse , if i have to serve my second ban for hopping in to you and calling it it for the way i see it then so be it , i will give you this much , at least you're making effort to give people heads up these days . I will not be retracting or apoligising so do what you must andrei [/quote]

Andrei is not jewish. Why would you call him jewish because you think he has nepotism?

Nah.....I don't get that ban threat bullshit Mr Hicks.  If someone wants to refer to me as a Calathumpian, it is not abuse of me.  It is fact.  That is way too precious and another reason why there is a problem "Houston."

What is the problem with 'anti semitic' around here?  Anti Islam is allowed to flourish!

We will butt heads Andrei , and we will understand why we can still post our opinions , we wont agree , we never will , you can thank me later for making you a better Mod   ;)

sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 9:55pm:

Quote: author=SupositoryofWisdom link=1463524120/133#133 date=1463658080][quote author=Andrei.Hicks link63524120/131#131 date=1463656883]I'll give you a chance to withdraw the anti Semitic personal reference. Anti semitic my arse , if i have to serve my second ban for hopping in to you and calling it it for the way i see it then so be it , i will give you this much , at least you're making effort to give people heads up these days . I will not be retracting or apoligising so do what you must andrei

Andrei is not jewish. Why would you call him jewish because you think he has nepotism?
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The word "Jew" in his post is completely unnecessary and the fake surprise at offence in its inclusion by some does not wash with me. We have seen quite enough of Jew slurs down the decades by Gentiles for no reason and it is not acceptable now as it was not back then.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 10:01pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 9:55pm: Quote: author=SupositoryofWisdom link=1463524120/133#133 date=1463658080][quote author=Andrei.Hicks link63524120/131#131 date=1463656883]I'll give you a chance to withdraw the anti Semitic personal reference. Anti semitic my arse , if i have to serve my second ban for hopping in to you and calling it it for the way i see it then so be it , i will give you this much , at least you're making effort to give people heads up these days . I will not be retracting or apoligising so do what you must andrei Andrei is not jewish. Why would you call him jewish because you think he has nepotism?

Quote:

The word "Jew" in his post is completely unnecessary and the fake surprise at offence in its inclusion by some does not wash with me. We have seen quite enough of Jew slurs down the decades by Gentiles for no reason and it is not acceptable now as it was not back then.

Bugger off Mr Hicks.  The Jews are no more sacrosanct around here than are Muslims or Catholics or Calathumpians.  You are happy to host anti Islam, as you should.  You cannot credibly deter anti Semite.

If you ban Leftwinger for that post, expect all Hell to break loose.

Get a grip, Andrei.

Aussie wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 9:56pm:

Nah.....I don't get that ban threat bullshit Mr Hicks.  If someone wants to refer to me as a Calathumpian, it is not abuse of me.  It is fact.  That is way too precious and another reason why there is a problem "Houston." What is the problem with 'anti semitic' around here?  Anti Islam is allowed to flourish!

Oh give me a break, that isn't an excuse!  For one, of course one can criticise the ideas of Judaism, and many do within and outside of the religion!  But to suggest nepotism is a character of jewish people? That is not criticising the idea of Judaism. That is just called being a dickhead, and doing a lot more harm than good.

I would welcome all critical thinking about religion! ANd the only reason it is happening more so for Islam is because not all religions are equal, and when we compare modern day realities, by far Islam is the worst of the lot.  You don't see jewish/christian/etc people killing journalists for portraying a religious figure in a bad light - to begin with.  ANd you don't see jewish/christians creating ultra right wing religious fanatical states where women are being killed for being raped.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 10:01pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 9:55pm: Quote: author=SupositoryofWisdom link=1463524120/133#133 date=1463658080][quote author=Andrei.Hicks link63524120/131#131 date=1463656883]I'll give you a chance to withdraw the anti Semitic personal reference. Anti semitic my arse , if i have to serve my second ban for hopping in to you and calling it it for the way i see it then so be it , i will give you this much , at least you're making effort to give people heads up these days . I will not be retracting or apoligising so do what you must andrei Andrei is not jewish. Why would you call him jewish because you think he has nepotism?

The word "Jew" in his post is completely unnecessary and the fake surprise at offence in its inclusion by some does not wash with me. We have seen quite enough of Jew slurs down the decades by Gentiles for no reason and it is not acceptable now as it was not back then.[/quote]
completely agreed. 

sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 10:13pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:01pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 9:55pm: Quote: author=SupositoryofWisdom link=1463524120/133#133 date=1463658080][quote author=Andrei.Hicks link63524120/131#131 date=1463656883]I'll give you a chance to withdraw the anti Semitic personal reference. Anti semitic my arse , if i have to serve my second ban for hopping in to you and calling it it for the way i see it then so be it , i will give you this much , at least you're making effort to give people heads up these days . I will not be retracting or apoligising so do what you must andrei Andrei is not jewish. Why would you call him jewish because you think he has nepotism? The word "Jew" in his post is completely unnecessary and the fake surprise at offence in its inclusion by some does not wash with me. We have seen quite enough of Jew slurs down the decades by Gentiles for no reason and it is not acceptable now as it was not back then.

completely agreed.  [/quote]

Whats our safe word for muslims then ? God forbid we offend some one

sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 10:13pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:01pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 9:55pm: Quote: author=SupositoryofWisdom link=1463524120/133#133 date=1463658080][quote author=Andrei.Hicks link63524120/131#131 date=1463656883]I'll give you a chance to withdraw the anti Semitic personal reference. Anti semitic my arse , if i have to serve my second ban for hopping in to you and calling it it for the way i see it then so be it , i will give you this much , at least you're making effort to give people heads up these days . I will not be retracting or apoligising so do what you must andrei Andrei is not jewish. Why would you call him jewish because you think he has nepotism? The word "Jew" in his post is completely unnecessary and the fake surprise at offence in its inclusion by some does not wash with me. We have seen quite enough of Jew slurs down the decades by Gentiles for no reason and it is not acceptable now as it was not back then.

completely agreed.  [/quote]

Who cares?  If the phrase was 'Islamic nepotism' would we be having this conversation?

Aussie wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 10:09pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:01pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 9:55pm: Quote: author=SupositoryofWisdom link=1463524120/133#133 date=1463658080][quote author=Andrei.Hicks link63524120/131#131 date=1463656883]I'll give you a chance to withdraw the anti Semitic personal reference. Anti semitic my arse , if i have to serve my second ban for hopping in to you and calling it it for the way i see it then so be it , i will give you this much , at least you're making effort to give people heads up these days . I will not be retracting or apoligising so do what you must andrei Andrei is not jewish. Why would you call him jewish because you think he has nepotism? [quote]The word "Jew" in his post is completely unnecessary and the fake surprise at offence in its inclusion by some does not wash with me. We have seen quite enough of Jew slurs down the decades by Gentiles for no reason and it is not acceptable now as it was not back then.

Bugger off Mr Hicks.  The Jews are no more sacrosanct around here than are Muslims or Catholics or Calathumpians.  You are happy to host anti Islam, as you should.  You cannot credibly deter anti Semite.

If you ban Leftwinger for that post, expect all Hell to break loose.

Get a grip, Andrei.
[/quote]
And you can blame the slurs directed at muslim people on the fact that the left has refused to acknowledge issues with islam, and allowed the right to take prominence on issues.  THe left should've been out there defending the rights of people in the islamic world by fighting AGAINST Islam. Instead, the left has been advocating that we can't spread liberal ideas (what horsesh1t).  Just like you're getting all upset about someone being called out for anti-semitism (because it's cool to be against jewish people), the left should've been doing all along whenever some dicatator or iman or terrorist organisation or some other dickhead group tried to enforce extremist ideas based on islam on a whole group of people.

Aussie wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 10:17pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:13pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:01pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 9:55pm: Quote: author=SupositoryofWisdom link=1463524120/133#133 date=1463658080][quote author=Andrei.Hicks link63524120/131#131 date=1463656883]I'll give you a chance to withdraw the anti Semitic personal reference. Anti semitic my arse , if i have to serve my second ban for hopping in to you and calling it it for the way i see it then so be it , i will give you this much , at least you're making effort to give people heads up these days . I will not be retracting or apoligising so do what you must andrei Andrei is not jewish. Why would you call him jewish because you think he has nepotism? The word "Jew" in his post is completely unnecessary and the fake surprise at offence in its inclusion by some does not wash with me. We have seen quite enough of Jew slurs down the decades by Gentiles for no reason and it is not acceptable now as it was not back then. completely agreed.

Who cares?  If the phrase was 'Islamic nepotism' would we be having this conversation?
[/quote]

Yes. But of course it isn't because regressive left like 'Leftwinger' only like to trash the western world,and discussing anything remotely controversial about islam is banned in their eyes.

Aussie wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 10:09pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:01pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 9:55pm: Quote: author=SupositoryofWisdom link=1463524120/133#133 date=1463658080][quote author=Andrei.Hicks link63524120/131#131 date=1463656883]I'll give you a chance to withdraw the anti Semitic personal reference. Anti semitic my arse , if i have to serve my second ban for hopping in to you and calling it it for the way i see it then so be it , i will give you this much , at least you're making effort to give people heads up these days . I will not be retracting or apoligising so do what you must andrei Andrei is not jewish. Why would you call him jewish because you think he has nepotism? [quote]The word "Jew" in his post is completely unnecessary and the fake surprise at offence in its inclusion by some does not wash with me. We have seen quite enough of Jew slurs down the decades by Gentiles for no reason and it is not acceptable now as it was not back then.

Bugger off Mr Hicks.  The Jews are no more sacrosanct around here than are Muslims or Catholics or Calathumpians.  You are happy to host anti Islam, as you should.  You cannot credibly deter anti Semite.

If you ban Leftwinger for that post, expect all Hell to break loose.

Get a grip, Andrei.
[/quote]

What if like you, he said it was his sandpit, ie  relationships,  he can do what he likes, and if you don't like it you can go elsewhere?

8-)

Surely you don't hold more than one standard, or do one thing and say another?   ;D

And that's not even getting into you defending a statement that you label anti-Semite without also defending statements that you label anti-Muslim. 

Are you about to start defending that as well?  :D ;D :D

Its time wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 10:16pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:13pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:01pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 9:55pm: Quote: author=SupositoryofWisdom link=1463524120/133#133 date=1463658080][quote author=Andrei.Hicks link63524120/131#131 date=1463656883]I'll give you a chance to withdraw the anti Semitic personal reference. Anti semitic my arse , if i have to serve my second ban for hopping in to you and calling it it for the way i see it then so be it , i will give you this much , at least you're making effort to give people heads up these days . I will not be retracting or apoligising so do what you must andrei Andrei is not jewish. Why would you call him jewish because you think he has nepotism? The word "Jew" in his post is completely unnecessary and the fake surprise at offence in its inclusion by some does not wash with me. We have seen quite enough of Jew slurs down the decades by Gentiles for no reason and it is not acceptable now as it was not back then. completely agreed.

Whats our safe word for muslims then ? God forbid we offend some one [/quote]
What? It is not about offence - it is just a demonstration of your character and how you completely misunderstand the behaviour you espouse. 

Why don't you like Jewish people? What is the reason?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 10:18pm:

Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:09pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:01pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 9:55pm: Quote: author=SupositoryofWisdom link=1463524120/133#133 date=1463658080][quote author=Andrei.Hicks link63524120/131#131 date=1463656883]I'll give you a chance to withdraw the anti Semitic personal reference. Anti semitic my arse , if i have to serve my second ban for hopping in to you and calling it it for the way i see it then so be it , i will give you this much , at least you're making effort to give people heads up these days . I will not be retracting or apoligising so do what you must andrei Andrei is not jewish. Why would you call him jewish because you think he has nepotism? [quote]The word "Jew" in his post is completely unnecessary and the fake surprise at offence in its inclusion by some does not wash with me. We have seen quite enough of Jew slurs down the decades by Gentiles for no reason and it is not acceptable now as it was not back then. Bugger off Mr Hicks.  The Jews are no more sacrosanct around here than are Muslims or Catholics or Calathumpians.  You are happy to host anti Islam, as you should.  You cannot credibly deter anti Semite. If you ban Leftwinger for that post, expect all Hell to break loose. Get a grip, Andrei.

And you can blame the slurs directed at muslim people on the fact that the left has refused to acknowledge issues with islam, and allowed the right to take prominence on issues.  THe left should've been out there defending the rights of people in the islamic world by fighting AGAINST Islam. Instead, the left has been advocating that we can't spread liberal ideas (what horsesh1t).  Just like you're getting all upset about someone being called out for anti-semitism (because it's cool to be against jewish people), the left should've been doing all along whenever some dicatator or iman or terrorist organisation or some other dickhead group tried to enforce extremist ideas based on islam on a whole group of people.[/quote]

Jaybuz......I am addressing the very inappropriate ban threat made by Mr Hicks to Leftwing..  I'm not about to get into a "who is better sheet fight" between Jews and Muslims.

That is way out of order, and I don't care, and neither should you.

Take it onboard as a challenge Andrei , dont let people rattle you and then discipline them because you feel threatened, im not backing down calling you a jew or saying your status is anything more than the result of nepotism , i will be retracting nothing and stand by everything i said unequivocally.  If you have to ban me , so be it .

What is the purpose of including the word "Jew" in the post?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 10:27pm:

What is the purpose of including the word "Jew" in the post?

Whats the issue using it ?

Quote:

What if like you, he said it was his sandpit, ie  relationships,  he can do what he likes, and if you don't like it you can go elsewhere?

You are correct.  Those Member run Forums are little fiefdoms set up by FD, and protected by his Rules, not mine.



Quote:

Surely you don't hold more than one standard, or do one thing and say another?   Grin

No.  Same standard, all in accordance with the Rules set out by FD.  I don't make them.  I do my best to comply with them.


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And that's not even getting into you defending a statement that you label anti-Semite without also defending statements that you label anti-Muslim.

I'm defending no such thing.  I am telling Mr Hicks that if he bans Leftwing for that comment of his while allowing anything anti Muslim, he can expect a backlash.

Why would you use it?
It has zero to do with anything unless it's aimed as a personal slur.

Racial or ethic slurs towards posters are not acceptable.

Why would you include the word "Jew"?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 10:27pm:

What is the purpose of including the word "Jew" in the post?

What would be the purpose of saying Calathumpian nepotism.....or even Muslim nepotism.  Who cares.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 10:34pm:

Why would you use it? It has zero to do with anything unless it's aimed as a personal slur. Racial or ethic slurs towards posters are not acceptable. Why would you include the word "Jew"?

How the Hell can it ever be a slur to refer to anyone as a Jew?  What have they got to be ashamed of!  Blaaady Hell, Mr Hicks.  This is absurd!

You want to forget your their past ? Indisputably  horrendous what happended , and undeniable , bit if you think you can rewrite history as it suits you then i can assure you its best you give me a life ban because its jew then and its jew now .

Aussie wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 10:23pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:18pm: Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:09pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:01pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 9:55pm: Quote: author=SupositoryofWisdom link=1463524120/133#133 date=1463658080][quote author=Andrei.Hicks link63524120/131#131 date=1463656883]I'll give you a chance to withdraw the anti Semitic personal reference. Anti semitic my arse , if i have to serve my second ban for hopping in to you and calling it it for the way i see it then so be it , i will give you this much , at least you're making effort to give people heads up these days . I will not be retracting or apoligising so do what you must andrei Andrei is not jewish. Why would you call him jewish because you think he has nepotism? [quote]The word "Jew" in his post is completely unnecessary and the fake surprise at offence in its inclusion by some does not wash with me. We have seen quite enough of Jew slurs down the decades by Gentiles for no reason and it is not acceptable now as it was not back then. Bugger off Mr Hicks.  The Jews are no more sacrosanct around here than are Muslims or Catholics or Calathumpians.  You are happy to host anti Islam, as you should.  You cannot credibly deter anti Semite. If you ban Leftwinger for that post, expect all Hell to break loose. Get a grip, Andrei. And you can blame the slurs directed at muslim people on the fact that the left has refused to acknowledge issues with islam, and allowed the right to take prominence on issues.  THe left should've been out there defending the rights of people in the islamic world by fighting AGAINST Islam. Instead, the left has been advocating that we can't spread liberal ideas (what horsesh1t).  Just like you're getting all upset about someone being called out for anti-semitism (because it's cool to be against jewish people), the left should've been doing all along whenever some dicatator or iman or terrorist organisation or some other dickhead group tried to enforce extremist ideas based on islam on a whole group of people.

Jaybuz......I am addressing the very inappropriate ban threat made by Mr Hicks to Leftwing..  I'm not about to get into a "who is better sheet fight" between Jews and Muslims.

That is way out of order, and I don't care, and neither should you.
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Of course I care when a person who claims to be of the left side of politics defends to his last breath ultra right wing fanatics, but then at the same time thinks it's okay to be antisemetic.  It is very relevant why we have over a billion people suffering in the world.  The priorities of leftwinger are utterly wrong.

You dont get to cherrypick heritage

Its time wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 10:39pm:

You dont get to cherrypick heritage

wtf does that even MEAN?????

I get told on here by Innocentbystander just about every time i post that i am a Muslim lover who wants to be raped and have my genitals mutilated.

What say you Mr. Hicks?

Aussie wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 10:37pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:34pm: Why would you use it? It has zero to do with anything unless it's aimed as a personal slur. Racial or ethic slurs towards posters are not acceptable. Why would you include the word "Jew"? How the Hell can it ever be a slur to refer to anyone as a Jew?  What have they got to be ashamed of!  Blaaady Hell, Mr Hicks.  This is absurd!

The word 'Jew' in itself is a slur.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 10:47pm:

Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:37pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:34pm: Why would you use it? It has zero to do with anything unless it's aimed as a personal slur. Racial or ethic slurs towards posters are not acceptable. Why would you include the word "Jew"? How the Hell can it ever be a slur to refer to anyone as a Jew?  What have they got to be ashamed of!  Blaaady Hell, Mr Hicks.  This is absurd! The word 'Jew' in itself is a slur.

Absolutely correct.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 10:47pm:

Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:37pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:34pm: Why would you use it? It has zero to do with anything unless it's aimed as a personal slur. Racial or ethic slurs towards posters are not acceptable. Why would you include the word "Jew"? How the Hell can it ever be a slur to refer to anyone as a Jew?  What have they got to be ashamed of!  Blaaady Hell, Mr Hicks.  This is absurd! The word 'Jew' in itself is a slur.

Rubbish.  What say ye, Mr Hicks? Is it a slur to refer to someone as a Muslim?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 10:47pm:

Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:37pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:34pm: Why would you use it? It has zero to do with anything unless it's aimed as a personal slur. Racial or ethic slurs towards posters are not acceptable. Why would you include the word "Jew"? How the Hell can it ever be a slur to refer to anyone as a Jew?  What have they got to be ashamed of!  Blaaady Hell, Mr Hicks.  This is absurd! The word 'Jew' in itself is a slur.

Why?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 10:49pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:47pm: Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:37pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:34pm: Why would you use it? It has zero to do with anything unless it's aimed as a personal slur. Racial or ethic slurs towards posters are not acceptable. Why would you include the word "Jew"? How the Hell can it ever be a slur to refer to anyone as a Jew?  What have they got to be ashamed of!  Blaaady Hell, Mr Hicks.  This is absurd! The word 'Jew' in itself is a slur. Absolutely correct.

Garbage.  How else can anyone refer to a person of Jewish faith?

mothra wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 10:46pm:

I get told on here by Innocentbystander just about every time i post that i am a Muslim lover who wants to be raped and have my genitals mutilated. What say you Mr. Hicks?

No comment Andrei?

Left winger has done some dog whistling and what a crew it has whistled up.    ::)

mothra wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 10:51pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:47pm: Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:37pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:34pm: Why would you use it? It has zero to do with anything unless it's aimed as a personal slur. Racial or ethic slurs towards posters are not acceptable. Why would you include the word "Jew"? How the Hell can it ever be a slur to refer to anyone as a Jew?  What have they got to be ashamed of!  Blaaady Hell, Mr Hicks.  This is absurd! The word 'Jew' in itself is a slur. Why?

Why is the word 'n*****' a slur? Because it is. Why is it that every time we have to discuss something about jewish people the left jumps up and down claiming it's fine? It isn't fine. The word has histrocial connotations to it. It is considered a slur. I object to it being used.

Secret Wars wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 10:53pm:

Left winger has done some dog whistling and what a crew it has whistled up.    ::)

Not at all.  My responses are to the absurd dog whistle of Mr Hicks.

Aussie wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 10:51pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:49pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:47pm: Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:37pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:34pm: Why would you use it? It has zero to do with anything unless it's aimed as a personal slur. Racial or ethic slurs towards posters are not acceptable. Why would you include the word "Jew"? How the Hell can it ever be a slur to refer to anyone as a Jew?  What have they got to be ashamed of!  Blaaady Hell, Mr Hicks.  This is absurd! The word 'Jew' in itself is a slur. Absolutely correct. Garbage.  How else can anyone refer to a person of Jewish faith?

jewish.

A jewish person.
A person with jewish faith.

It isn't hard. Get some historical context and understand why it is a slur.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 10:54pm:

mothra wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:51pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:47pm: Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:37pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:34pm: Why would you use it? It has zero to do with anything unless it's aimed as a personal slur. Racial or ethic slurs towards posters are not acceptable. Why would you include the word "Jew"? How the Hell can it ever be a slur to refer to anyone as a Jew?  What have they got to be ashamed of!  Blaaady Hell, Mr Hicks.  This is absurd! The word 'Jew' in itself is a slur. Why? Why is the word 'n*****' a slur? Because it is. Why is it that every time we have to discuss something about jewish people the left jumps up and down claiming it's fine? It isn't fine. The word has histrocial connotations to it. It is considered a slur. I object to it being used.

You object to the word "Jew" being used?

We have addressed some issues and came to a peaceful resolution , doesnt get any better than that !

I don't support the banning of Leftwinger. But I definitely support the questioning of his intentions, because they make no sense and are contradictory to his supposed beliefs.  If anything, I would ask that he change his nickname because clearly he just spits on all the hard won battles of liberals over the last 70 years everytime he chooses to denigrate the work they've done with his stupendous opinions.

Secret Wars wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 10:53pm:

Left winger has done some dog whistling and what a crew it has whistled up.    ::)

I would like to know why Andrei being called a Jew is offensive and yet nothing is said about this:



innocentbystander. wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 8:25pm:

You know, when your dear mussie terrorist friends come to carve off your pink bits they are going to slash your head by mistake c#%t face.

mothra wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 10:56pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:54pm: mothra wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:51pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:47pm: Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:37pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:34pm: Why would you use it? It has zero to do with anything unless it's aimed as a personal slur. Racial or ethic slurs towards posters are not acceptable. Why would you include the word "Jew"? How the Hell can it ever be a slur to refer to anyone as a Jew?  What have they got to be ashamed of!  Blaaady Hell, Mr Hicks.  This is absurd! The word 'Jew' in itself is a slur. Why? Why is the word 'n*****' a slur? Because it is. Why is it that every time we have to discuss something about jewish people the left jumps up and down claiming it's fine? It isn't fine. The word has histrocial connotations to it. It is considered a slur. I object to it being used. You object to the word "Jew" being used?

Yes. Would you object to the word 'n*****' being used?

Quote:

Why is the word 'n*****' a slur? Because it is. Why is it that every time we have to discuss something about jewish people the left jumps up and down claiming it's fine? It isn't fine. The word has histrocial connotations to it. It is considered a slur. I object to it being used.

Object away.  Hold you breath and snuff if that is your 'go.'  I am a Calathumptian.  I could  not care less if you refer to me as one.

What is the word you would prefer that I use to refer to someone of Jewish faith?

Muslim?

mothra wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 10:58pm:

Secret Wars wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:53pm: Left winger has done some dog whistling and what a crew it has whistled up.    ::) I would like to know why Andrei being called a Jew is offensive and yet nothing is said about this: innocentbystander. wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:25pm: You know, when your dear mussie terrorist friends come to carve off your pink bits they are going to slash your head by mistake c#%t face.

Although vulgur, the point he makes is relevant to the arguments being made by the regressive left who each day defend the actions of ultra rightwing extremists in the Middle East, for the sake of 'culturism'.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 10:58pm:

mothra wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:56pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:54pm: mothra wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:51pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:47pm: Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:37pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:34pm: Why would you use it? It has zero to do with anything unless it's aimed as a personal slur. Racial or ethic slurs towards posters are not acceptable. Why would you include the word "Jew"? How the Hell can it ever be a slur to refer to anyone as a Jew?  What have they got to be ashamed of!  Blaaady Hell, Mr Hicks.  This is absurd! The word 'Jew' in itself is a slur. Why? Why is the word 'n*****' a slur? Because it is. Why is it that every time we have to discuss something about jewish people the left jumps up and down claiming it's fine? It isn't fine. The word has histrocial connotations to it. It is considered a slur. I object to it being used. You object to the word "Jew" being used? Yes. Would you object to the word 'n*****' being used?

Yes indeed. But don't people identify as being Jews? Isn't that a thing?

mothra wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 10:59pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:58pm: mothra wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:56pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:54pm: mothra wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:51pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:47pm: Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:37pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:34pm: Why would you use it? It has zero to do with anything unless it's aimed as a personal slur. Racial or ethic slurs towards posters are not acceptable. Why would you include the word "Jew"? How the Hell can it ever be a slur to refer to anyone as a Jew?  What have they got to be ashamed of!  Blaaady Hell, Mr Hicks.  This is absurd! The word 'Jew' in itself is a slur. Why? Why is the word 'n*****' a slur? Because it is. Why is it that every time we have to discuss something about jewish people the left jumps up and down claiming it's fine? It isn't fine. The word has histrocial connotations to it. It is considered a slur. I object to it being used. You object to the word "Jew" being used? Yes. Would you object to the word 'n*****' being used? Yes indeed. But don't people identify as being Jews? Isn't that a thing?

People identify as being 'n******' too. Doesn't mean it's appropriate for you to use the word.  And anyway, people don't identify as 'Jews' as much as they identify as Jewish people.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 10:58pm:

mothra wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:58pm: Secret Wars wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:53pm: Left winger has done some dog whistling and what a crew it has whistled up.    ::) I would like to know why Andrei being called a Jew is offensive and yet nothing is said about this: innocentbystander. wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:25pm: You know, when your dear mussie terrorist friends come to carve off your pink bits they are going to slash your head by mistake c#%t face. Although vulgur, the point he makes is relevant.

Really. I'm c@%nt face am i? And i deserve to be relegated to pink bits and have it assumed that "mussies" are my friends.

How is this point relevant unless you are a screaming Islamophobe with a hatred of women.

Aussie wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 10:58pm:

Quote: Why is the word 'n*****' a slur? Because it is. Why is it that every time we have to discuss something about jewish people the left jumps up and down claiming it's fine? It isn't fine. The word has histrocial connotations to it. It is considered a slur. I object to it being used. Object away.  Hold you breath and snuff if that is your 'go.'  I am a Calathumptian.  I could  not care less if you refer to me as one. What is the word you would prefer that I use to refer to someone of Jewish faith? Muslim?

I already said, it isn't hard: Jewish. 

And you object to someone being called a Jew.

Priceless.

Aussie wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 10:51pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:49pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:47pm: Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:37pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:34pm: Why would you use it? It has zero to do with anything unless it's aimed as a personal slur. Racial or ethic slurs towards posters are not acceptable. Why would you include the word "Jew"? How the Hell can it ever be a slur to refer to anyone as a Jew?  What have they got to be ashamed of!  Blaaady Hell, Mr Hicks.  This is absurd! The word 'Jew' in itself is a slur. Absolutely correct. Garbage.  How else can anyone refer to a person of Jewish faith?

What did it add?  Why was it used?  Somehow Aussie I cannot see you defending "aboriginal" appended to a statement.

You would be all " what has being aboriginal got to go with it!", you wouldnt be defending it as being merely a reference. 

Lets all take a chill pill , take a deep breath , relax , leftwinger is still here , me and old Andrei had a good chat and met on common ground , nothing to see here folks , move along .

sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 11:01pm:

Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:58pm: Quote: Why is the word 'n*****' a slur? Because it is. Why is it that every time we have to discuss something about jewish people the left jumps up and down claiming it's fine? It isn't fine. The word has histrocial connotations to it. It is considered a slur. I object to it being used. Object away.  Hold you breath and snuff if that is your 'go.'  I am a Calathumptian.  I could  not care less if you refer to me as one. What is the word you would prefer that I use to refer to someone of Jewish faith? Muslim? I already said, it isn't hard: Jewish.

So we have to say, "someone of the Jewish faith" instead of "jew".

Really?

mothra wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 11:01pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:58pm: mothra wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:58pm: Secret Wars wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:53pm: Left winger has done some dog whistling and what a crew it has whistled up.    ::) I would like to know why Andrei being called a Jew is offensive and yet nothing is said about this: innocentbystander. wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:25pm: You know, when your dear mussie terrorist friends come to carve off your pink bits they are going to slash your head by mistake c#%t face. Although vulgur, the point he makes is relevant.  Really. I'm c@%nt face am i? And i deserve to be relegated to pink bits and have it assumed that "mussies" are my friends. How is this point relevant unless you are a screaming Islamophobe with a hatred of women.

I don't know you personally but from this forum I tend to like what you post and tend to agree on some issues. I can't recall your stance on how women in the Islam world get treated, but I would hope you and I share the same opinnion that they ought to be treated with the same civil right freedoms that feminists continue to fight for every day in the western world.

The only people with a hatred for women are those who defend the right of extremists, who predominately happen to be in the islamic world, to treat women as a secondary gender, irrelevant in the male world other than to carry a male heir.  And defend it because of 'cultural differences.'

That's the point that innocent makes. Like I said, vulgur it is. But it carries a point because every day we hear excuses from the regressive left, defending such actions as gender mutilation, or stoning of women for being raped, or not even allowing them to drive. And why do they defend these actions - because it's 'cultural differences'. 

and I hate the fact that I have to agree with the point being made by a right wing nut like innocent. But the problem is that when it comes to these subjects, the Left is like Leftwinger - it's okay to denigrate anything of the western world (it's okay to call someone a jew, for example), but don't you dare mention anything to do with the developing world. And why? Don't people in the developing world deserve the same rights?

mothra wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 10:56pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:54pm: mothra wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:51pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:47pm: Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:37pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:34pm: Why would you use it? It has zero to do with anything unless it's aimed as a personal slur. Racial or ethic slurs towards posters are not acceptable. Why would you include the word "Jew"? How the Hell can it ever be a slur to refer to anyone as a Jew?  What have they got to be ashamed of!  Blaaady Hell, Mr Hicks.  This is absurd! The word 'Jew' in itself is a slur. Why? Why is the word 'n*****' a slur? Because it is. Why is it that every time we have to discuss something about jewish people the left jumps up and down claiming it's fine? It isn't fine. The word has histrocial connotations to it. It is considered a slur. I object to it being used. You object to the word "Jew" being used?

I object to it and I am giving Leftwinger an opportunity to retract the personal slur.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 11:06pm:

mothra wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 11:01pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:58pm: mothra wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:58pm: Secret Wars wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:53pm: Left winger has done some dog whistling and what a crew it has whistled up.    ::) I would like to know why Andrei being called a Jew is offensive and yet nothing is said about this: innocentbystander. wrote on May 17th, 2016 at 8:25pm: You know, when your dear mussie terrorist friends come to carve off your pink bits they are going to slash your head by mistake c#%t face. Although vulgur, the point he makes is relevant.  Really. I'm c@%nt face am i? And i deserve to be relegated to pink bits and have it assumed that "mussies" are my friends. How is this point relevant unless you are a screaming Islamophobe with a hatred of women. I don't know you personally but from this forum I tend to like what you post and tend to agree on some issues. I can't recall your stance on how women in the Islam world get treated, but I would hope you and I share the same opinnion that they ought to be treated with the same civil right freedoms that feminists continue to fight for every day in the western world. The only people with a hatred for women are those who defend the right of extremists, who predominately happen to be in the islamic world, to treat women as a secondary gender, irrelevant in the male world other than to carry a male heir.  And defend it because of 'cultural differences.' That's the point that innocent makes. Like I said, vulgur it is. But it carries a point because every day we hear excuses from the regressive left, defending such actions as gender mutilation, or stoning of women for being raped, or not even allowing them to drive. And why do they defend these actions - because it's 'cultural differences'.

So you have no problem with either the abuse towards me or the suggestion that all "muzzies" deserve to be spoken of like that.

You do know that Christians and Animists perform FGM too, right?

You have no problem at all with this disgusting attack on Muslims but you object to Andrei being called a Jew.

Go figure.

And i like you too Alevine, but you've got me stumped on this one.

And ive never seem anything but condemnation for repressive regimes from the left. I don;t know what you've been reading.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 11:07pm:

mothra wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:56pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:54pm: mothra wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:51pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:47pm: Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:37pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 10:34pm: Why would you use it? It has zero to do with anything unless it's aimed as a personal slur. Racial or ethic slurs towards posters are not acceptable. Why would you include the word "Jew"? How the Hell can it ever be a slur to refer to anyone as a Jew?  What have they got to be ashamed of!  Blaaady Hell, Mr Hicks.  This is absurd! The word 'Jew' in itself is a slur. Why? Why is the word 'n*****' a slur? Because it is. Why is it that every time we have to discuss something about jewish people the left jumps up and down claiming it's fine? It isn't fine. The word has histrocial connotations to it. It is considered a slur. I object to it being used. You object to the word "Jew" being used? I object to it and I am giving Leftwinger an opportunity to retract the personal slur.

Any comment o the filth directed towards me Mr. Gmod?