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Title: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by matty on May 21st, 2016 at 1:12pm
I can't understand why both simply won't be the Greens dead last in every seat in the country. They have proven themselves to be nothing but immature obstructionists who won't compromise at all. It all has to be their way or the highway. Yet Labor continues to preference them highly on their tickets, and the Coalition; while better, is in talks (at least in Victoria) of preference deals. Just put them dead last and do everything to make sure that they get as few seats as possible.
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Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by LEUT Bigvicfella (RTD) on May 21st, 2016 at 1:17pm
Absolutely. The are a numpty party that can only be a player by attaching themselves like poo to asshair to either main parties. They will never govern in their own right and will resort to blackmail and coercion of whichever party are foolish enough to consider an alliance with them
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Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by Grendel on May 21st, 2016 at 1:18pm
yes, then we and they can see just exactly what sort of support they have
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Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by John Smith on May 21st, 2016 at 1:34pm
yep ... that's what I'm going to do anyway
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Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by Greens_Win on May 21st, 2016 at 1:42pm
Yes.
Greens are the opposite to two party corruption. Only the Greens desire to end political corruption via a national ICAC. Greens, the alternative to corruption. p.s. major parties = major corruption parties |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by Greens_Win on May 21st, 2016 at 1:46pm
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Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by skippy. on May 21st, 2016 at 2:04pm matty wrote on May 21st, 2016 at 1:12pm:
I see you're still wetting your pull ups over the prospect of losing the unlosable election,scatty. |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by Redneck on May 21st, 2016 at 2:06pm
No second last!
Libs last for me! |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by cods on May 21st, 2016 at 4:58pm Redmond Neck wrote on May 21st, 2016 at 2:06pm:
yeah I will put them second last... pity we cant have a dual last isnt it.. :D :D.. greenswin keeps calling them green./lab coalition...so he must smell something. |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by cods on May 21st, 2016 at 5:00pm matty wrote on May 21st, 2016 at 1:12pm:
labor is bad and then theres the greens.. who are beyond BAD....so its a toss up matty....you at least can vote for whom you wish just like everyone can... its the lazy that follow the beckonings of the majors.. dont do as they tell you do whats right for you |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by matty on May 21st, 2016 at 5:18pm Vic wrote on May 21st, 2016 at 1:17pm:
I couldn't agree more. Both parties should just team up to get rid of them. They're a blight to everyone. |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by matty on May 21st, 2016 at 5:19pm skippy. wrote on May 21st, 2016 at 2:04pm:
How many times must I tell you that I don't really care who wins after the Coalition turfed Abbott? Besides, I thought that you wanted the Coalition to win? You kept saying that you'd preference them over Labor if Turnbull became leader? Or was that just more hot air from you as usual? |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by matty on May 21st, 2016 at 5:21pm cods wrote on May 21st, 2016 at 5:00pm:
Absolutely cods, and the Libs have shown themselves to be dodgy too, can't really trust any of the three can you. The Greens are by far the worst, and all parties should follow the LDP's lead and put them dead last everywhere. |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by Aussie on May 21st, 2016 at 5:21pm cods wrote on May 21st, 2016 at 4:58pm:
You said you weren't voting Liberal and you now say you will put the Greens second last. I guess the Libs will be last, then, ey cods? |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by matty on May 21st, 2016 at 5:22pm Redmond Neck wrote on May 21st, 2016 at 2:06pm:
Why? I can't see why any non-Green voter would want to not preference the Greens last? They have shown themselves to be completely stubborn and uncompromising, at least the other parties will negotiate with one another to extents. The Greens have to have it all their own way or not at all. |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by Karnal on May 21st, 2016 at 5:25pm matty wrote on May 21st, 2016 at 1:12pm:
I know, Matty. Unlike the lovely Peta Credlin, no? What they did to her was deplorable. Pathetic, leftards, just pathetic. |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by Redneck on May 21st, 2016 at 5:29pm Karnal wrote on May 21st, 2016 at 5:25pm:
I see labor is appointing an LGBTA or whatever its called minister Good to see Labor is inclusive Matty! I might move them up the list maybe third last! :) |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by Karnal on May 21st, 2016 at 5:38pm Redmond Neck wrote on May 21st, 2016 at 5:29pm:
Matty doesn't like them, Redneck. He says LGBTAs are an abomination unto God. Mr Abbott would be a good choice. He was Minister of Women's Affairs, you know. |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by skippy. on May 21st, 2016 at 5:47pm matty wrote on May 21st, 2016 at 5:19pm:
Abbott was the worst PM this country has ever had. That said Turnbull has been a total disappointment do nothing that makes Billy McMahon look competent. Shorten is not far behind and I believe he would be the worst Labor PM ever elected. So for the first time in my life I intend to vote for none of them. I will not cast a vote in the HORs. If you mean what you say you will do likewise, but I doubt it. ::) |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by Redneck on May 21st, 2016 at 5:47pm Karnal wrote on May 21st, 2016 at 5:38pm:
Unto Mo! (Or Md as they all named themselves in their personal particulars where I worked..... I thought how the F.....k have we so many doctors doing this mundane job?) an abomination unto God I find that hard to believe Karnal |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by Karnal on May 21st, 2016 at 5:53pm Redmond Neck wrote on May 21st, 2016 at 5:47pm:
No, Redneck, they do unspeakable things to each other in public toilets and such like. They're all leftards and child molesters, it really is appalling. Mr Abbott will make a fine committee member, you'll see. Malcolm Turnbull is implementing all his policies, so it won't be a radical departure from the current status quo. He always did want to become our Roads and Infrastructure Opposition leader. Mr Abbott will oppose for all Australians, no? Thank heavens the grown-ups will soon be in charge. |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by matty on May 21st, 2016 at 6:50pm skippy. wrote on May 21st, 2016 at 5:47pm:
I knew that you wouldn't preference the Coalition and said that back when you said that. As for what I am doing, I am voting informally in the House of Reps, and One Nation in the Upper House. |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by Karnal on May 21st, 2016 at 7:02pm matty wrote on May 21st, 2016 at 6:50pm:
Which electorate are you voting in this time, Matty? |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by Honest Joe on May 21st, 2016 at 7:14pm
:'(
matty wrote on May 21st, 2016 at 1:12pm:
They are too difficult to work with, way too unbending. Since Bob Brown they've become a negative cocky mob who think their 10% of votes gives them a majority. I've been turned off by greens in recent years. The only alternative is to put them last unfortunately. |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by Black Orchid on May 21st, 2016 at 7:34pm
"Should the major parties put the Greens last?"
Yes, they lost their way too many years ago. |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by John Smith on May 21st, 2016 at 8:04pm matty wrote on May 21st, 2016 at 6:50pm:
to be fair to skip ... NO ONE expected turncoat to be this bad. Even I thought he would do better, and I have less faith in the libs than most |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by Dnarever on May 21st, 2016 at 8:07pm Quote:
We seen then do this to One Nation and destroyed the party. To me this showed that Labor and the Liberals can combine at any time to remove any potential opposition to their strangle hold on Australian politics. I do not believe that this is a reasonable power for them to hold or to be able to unleash on an opponent. |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by John Smith on May 21st, 2016 at 8:09pm Dnarever wrote on May 21st, 2016 at 8:07pm:
one nation was doomed from the day they put Hanson on trial. If they were put last by the public , it was because of the publicity from that |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by Aussie on May 21st, 2016 at 8:15pm John Smith wrote on May 21st, 2016 at 8:09pm:
Hanson is a stand out example of how the Libs will manipulate the Law and the schmedia to destroy a political opponent. |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by Grendel on May 21st, 2016 at 8:20pm
Oh dear no its not Assie...
Firstly the ALP lied about Hanson and attacked her in order to try and make the Libs bad. They kept this up non stop for years and lied about her and her party. Then when PHON was a threat to votes to the Libs and other smaller parties they all worked against PHON and put them last. When that didn't work the QLD Labor Party arrested Hanson and Ettridge and put them in gaol, the AEC took their money and the court cases bled the party dry Australia wide. |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by Aussie on May 21st, 2016 at 8:27pm Grendel wrote on May 21st, 2016 at 8:20pm:
Are you on Planet Earth? Link. Link. |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by John Smith on May 21st, 2016 at 8:31pm Grendel wrote on May 21st, 2016 at 8:20pm:
got any evidence of these 'lies' goose? :D :D I know I know, you'll give your usual ... 'go and read' answer that you always give when you can't support your argument |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by Karnal on May 21st, 2016 at 8:34pm John Smith wrote on May 21st, 2016 at 8:31pm:
Don't ask Grendel to do your research for you, troll. He's got better things to do than spoonfeed the likes of you. |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by John Smith on May 21st, 2016 at 8:36pm Karnal wrote on May 21st, 2016 at 8:34pm:
Stop the Boats |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by Grendel on May 21st, 2016 at 9:14pm John Smith wrote on May 21st, 2016 at 8:31pm:
Yeah go and read hansard you fool from when she made her maiden speech or the some newspaper articles from around then... where were you under a rock. As for your need for proof, perhaps if you'd like to suggest what proof you'd accept since it seems you discounted any that can appear here. |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by Karnal on May 21st, 2016 at 9:16pm John Smith wrote on May 21st, 2016 at 8:36pm:
That's better. The next erection will be a referendum on stopping the boats. Yes, you leftards thought Malcolm Turnbull would change things, but he's just following Mr Abbott's tried and true formula. Suck on that one, leftards. Not only did we get to keep the Libs in power, we got to keep Mr Abbott and all his marvellous policies and tricks. Yes, thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge. |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by Grendel on May 21st, 2016 at 9:16pm Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2016 at 8:27pm:
Lol you are a dipstick Assie... please show where I was wrong? The Queensland Government in the article was an ALP one. Oh dear made a goose of yourself yet again. And yes everything else I said was totally factual. As for Abbott and the "Australians for Honest politics" and Sharples etc... none were dragged into court and charged with anything . So even though we know they existed and that Abbott was a ratbag and a fool using a dissatisfied ex member to create government and electoral commission interest in a case against hanson etc, they were never charged with anything. involved. For your edification... http://australianpolitics.com/2003/08/27/abbott-i-was-acting-entirely-on-my-own.html |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by Aussie on May 21st, 2016 at 9:22pm Grendel wrote on May 21st, 2016 at 9:16pm:
I've already answered that, Grendel. I suggest you read what I have said and stop wasting my time, troll. |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by Karnal on May 21st, 2016 at 9:23pm Grendel wrote on May 21st, 2016 at 9:16pm:
They can't help it, Grendel. They're nothing but time-wasters. Go away, trolls. |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by Grendel on May 21st, 2016 at 9:26pm
You are right karnal they are ignorant fools.
That's why PA banned Assie permanently, no doubt Johnboy would eventually be seen as an Aussie clone and go the same way. |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by Karnal on May 21st, 2016 at 9:52pm Grendel wrote on May 21st, 2016 at 9:26pm:
All leftards do, Grendel. They're no different from Muslims really. The sooner we get them out of here, the better. |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by John Smith on May 21st, 2016 at 9:57pm Grendel wrote on May 21st, 2016 at 9:14pm:
I don't care about her maiden speech, I asked for your evidence that the ALP lied about Hanson ... if you can't find any, just say so and stop wasting my time |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by Dnarever on May 21st, 2016 at 9:59pm John Smith wrote on May 21st, 2016 at 8:09pm:
They got a mountain of votes from the public it was the preferences that killed them. Fairly sure that the trial came much later. |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by Karnal on May 21st, 2016 at 10:57pm John Smith wrote on May 21st, 2016 at 8:04pm:
Stable, predictable, reliable, steady as she goes. I think Malcolm Turnbull is becoming a real tall glass of water. Miam miam. |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by Grendel on May 22nd, 2016 at 10:52am Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2016 at 9:22pm:
Even for a TROLL you are an idiot... Got nothing just being your typical asshole self? I read your links I know where they are wrong and right and gee guess what they still back me up... how delusional and ignorant are you ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by Grendel on May 22nd, 2016 at 10:56am John Smith wrote on May 21st, 2016 at 9:57pm:
You are just proving that you don't want to know when you are wrong or do know and are trying to hide from it. I would think anyone here could tell you just like I have but then you'd be telling them all to provide proof. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D But why would they when you just deny everything. :D Everyone knows that the ALP targeted Hanson from Day one even before her election and they did it to embarrass the Coalition. Everyone except the politically ignorant that is. ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by John Smith on May 22nd, 2016 at 10:59am
so you can't find any evidence goose?
you really should stop wasting everyone's time. |
Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by matty on May 22nd, 2016 at 12:17pm
Both parties did the dirty on Pauline. She was a threat to both, but especially the Coalition (and more specifically the Nationals than the Liberals). I remember reading that about 70% of her support base came from previously rusted on Coalition voters, and 30% from previously rusted on Labor voters. Even today, I know of people who would never voter Labor but would vote for her, and people who would never vote Coalition but would vote for her. Ideologically she is probably halfway between centre right and far right (which is where I place myself) but really she transcends labels because she isn't afraid to speak her mind and her message resonates with many Australians regardless of where they are on the left to right spectrum. They both knew this and that is why they preferenced her last in 1998 and subsequently. That she won 36% of the primary vote and the Libs won the seat with 21% (all thanks to the Nats and Labor) is a disgrace. I would love to see her win a a seat this election. With the reduced quota she stands a great chance.
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Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by Karnal on May 22nd, 2016 at 12:24pm
Which state will you be voting in, Matty? Where will you preference the Greens?
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Title: Re: Should the major parties put the Greens last? Post by Grendel on May 22nd, 2016 at 8:41pm John Smith wrote on May 22nd, 2016 at 10:59am:
You'd have to be totally ignorant, completely dishonest and rusted on or braindead not to know the truth about what happened 20 years ago... or were you not born then? :D :D :D :D :D |
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