Why don't the left believe them?

Agrees with:
Stoning to death for adultery
Beheading of journalists
Doesn't want Hilary to be President because when she's having her period she may launch a nuclear strike





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrKyI7rOl68#action=share

What an absolute douche!!! This blackie Muslim creep is so dumb he still thinks Hillary Clinton gets a period??? These people are absolute nuts. :D :D :D

These are the people  Pecca and Mothra stick up for?????? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I wonder if he is one of the 'vast majority'.

freediver wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 11:35am:

I wonder if he is one of the 'vast majority'.

Oh yeah. He's average. At least he's honest.

Check this video out guys. It's a real eye opener.

There's nothing cryptic going on here . No long lost language to decipher.  It's in plain speak English references given to why they say it.

Time and time again the words are followed up by deeds

Why do you assume his views are typical of Australian Muslims?   ::)

GordyL wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 11:06am:

Why don't the left believe them? Agrees with: Stoning to death for adultery Beheading of journalists Doesn't want Hilary to be President because when she's having her period she may launch a nuclear strike https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrKyI7rOl68#action=share

My guess is that HC is long past menstruation.

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 1:44pm:

Why do you assume his views are typical of Australian Muslims?   ::)

Brian, time and time and time again these types of thing come out. Remember our old Rufti Mufti and the cats?

I knew I'd have to post this again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV710c1dgpU

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 1:44pm:

Why do you assume his views are typical of Australian Muslims?   ::)

Why do you 'assume' they aren't?

Don't they all read the same comic, the Koran?

GordyL wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 1:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:44pm: Why do you assume his views are typical of Australian Muslims?   ::) Brian, time and time and time again these types of thing come out. Remember our old Rufti Mufti and the cats? I knew I'd have to post this again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV710c1dgpU

Again, I ask, "Why do you assume his views are typical of Australian Muslims?"   ::) ::)

What do you assume Brian?

Fuzzball wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 1:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:44pm: Why do you assume his views are typical of Australian Muslims?   ::) Why do you 'assume' they aren't? Don't they all read the same comic, the Koran?

I know they aren't 'cause I know many Muslims.

So, don't all Christians read the same "comic, The Bible"?   Does not The Bible have exhortations to murder Gay people in it?   YES/NO   ::) ::) ::)

freediver wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 2:06pm:

What do you assume Brian?

I "assume" nothing, FD.  I know.  I suspect you do as well but you ignore your knowledge and instead embrace your ignorance deliberately.

What turned you against all Muslims, FD?   Did one frighten you as a baby or something?   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 4:07pm:

Fuzzball wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:44pm: Why do you assume his views are typical of Australian Muslims?   ::) Why do you 'assume' they aren't? Don't they all read the same comic, the Koran? I know they aren't 'cause I know many Muslims. So, don't all Christians read the same "comic, The Bible"?   Does not The Bible have exhortations to murder Gay people in it?   YES/NO   ::) ::) ::)

NO!

And unlike your bloody mere man Muhammed, our Son of God Jesus has commanded us to love everyone...INCLUDING OUR ENEMIES.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 4:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:07pm: Fuzzball wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:44pm: Why do you assume his views are typical of Australian Muslims?   ::) Why do you 'assume' they aren't? Don't they all read the same comic, the Koran? I know they aren't 'cause I know many Muslims. So, don't all Christians read the same "comic, The Bible"?   Does not The Bible have exhortations to murder Gay people in it?   YES/NO   ::) ::) ::) NO!

Oh.  Which version leaves out Leviticus?


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Leviticus 20:13New Living Translation (NLT) 13 “If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 4:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:07pm: Fuzzball wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:44pm: Why do you assume his views are typical of Australian Muslims?   ::) Why do you 'assume' they aren't? Don't they all read the same comic, the Koran? I know they aren't 'cause I know many Muslims. So, don't all Christians read the same "comic, The Bible"?   Does not The Bible have exhortations to murder Gay people in it?   YES/NO   ::) ::) ::) NO!

Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10.   ::)


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And unlike your bloody mere man Muhammed, our Son of God Jesus has commanded us to love everyone...INCLUDING OUR ENEMIES.

Funny, that isn't the attitude displayed by the most vehement of Christians here, Lisa, now is it?  Haven't you bothered to read Christianity according to Moses, FD, Sprintcyclist, etc?  It's all about hate.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 4:30pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:14pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:07pm: Fuzzball wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:44pm: Why do you assume his views are typical of Australian Muslims?   ::) Why do you 'assume' they aren't? Don't they all read the same comic, the Koran? I know they aren't 'cause I know many Muslims. So, don't all Christians read the same "comic, The Bible"?   Does not The Bible have exhortations to murder Gay people in it?   YES/NO   ::) ::) ::) NO! Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10.   ::) Quote: And unlike your bloody mere man Muhammed, our Son of God Jesus has commanded us to love everyone...INCLUDING OUR ENEMIES. Funny, that isn't the attitude displayed by the most vehement of Christians here, Lisa, now is it?  Haven't you bothered to read Christianity according to Moses, FD, Sprintcyclist, etc?  It's all about hate.    ::)

Those Bible verses support what I'm saying.

They contradict everything you say.

Are you feeling a tad embarrassed now?

You were asked the question:


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Does not The Bible have exhortations to murder Gay people in it?   YES/NO

Your answer was:



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NO!

Is this not in the Bible?


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Leviticus 20:13New Living Translation (NLT) 13 “If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 4:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:30pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:14pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:07pm: Fuzzball wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:44pm: Why do you assume his views are typical of Australian Muslims?   ::) Why do you 'assume' they aren't? Don't they all read the same comic, the Koran? I know they aren't 'cause I know many Muslims. So, don't all Christians read the same "comic, The Bible"?   Does not The Bible have exhortations to murder Gay people in it?   YES/NO   ::) ::) ::) NO! Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10.   ::) Quote: And unlike your bloody mere man Muhammed, our Son of God Jesus has commanded us to love everyone...INCLUDING OUR ENEMIES. Funny, that isn't the attitude displayed by the most vehement of Christians here, Lisa, now is it?  Haven't you bothered to read Christianity according to Moses, FD, Sprintcyclist, etc?  It's all about hate.    ::) Those Bible verses support what I'm saying. They contradict everything you say. Are you feeling a tad embarrassed now?

And furthermore, I'm not responsible for how you perceive others who post on OzPol.

I do however know that you know I am fair.

And right now I am talking to you.

You, me.

One on one.

Fair!

Quote:

I do however know that you know I am fair.

I think he'll work that out soon enough.  I'm pretty sure he is aware you have no idea what you are posting and that hollow logs make the most sound.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 4:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:30pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:14pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:07pm: Fuzzball wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:44pm: Why do you assume his views are typical of Australian Muslims?   ::) Why do you 'assume' they aren't? Don't they all read the same comic, the Koran? I know they aren't 'cause I know many Muslims. So, don't all Christians read the same "comic, The Bible"?   Does not The Bible have exhortations to murder Gay people in it?   YES/NO   ::) ::) ::) NO! Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10.   ::) Quote: And unlike your bloody mere man Muhammed, our Son of God Jesus has commanded us to love everyone...INCLUDING OUR ENEMIES. Funny, that isn't the attitude displayed by the most vehement of Christians here, Lisa, now is it?  Haven't you bothered to read Christianity according to Moses, FD, Sprintcyclist, etc?  It's all about hate.    ::) Those Bible verses support what I'm saying. They contradict everything you say. Are you feeling a tad embarrassed now?

Those Bible Versus support what I have been saying, Lisa.  Christianity in the New Testament, has long been against Homosexuality.   Those versus are used to condemn it.

I used the New Testament 'cause I know the old Christian trick of trying to disown the Old Testament as soon as it is quoted, despite it being part and parcel of the Christian's Bible.

Time for you to go and play with the little kids in the little kids' playground.

Now, what do you think of Moses, Sprintcyclist, FD et al's attitudes towards Muslims?  Justified or against the teachings that you, yourself have suggested, of Christ?  You know, the bit about "love everyone"?    ::) ::)

Typical Brian thought process. Our opinions about Islam must have nothing to do with Islam, but basing them on another religion is fine.

freediver wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 4:57pm:

Typical Brian thought process. Our opinions about Islam must have nothing to do with Islam, but basing them on another religion is fine.

Your opinions have been shown, time and time again, to have little to do with Islam but are rather all about your bigotry towards Islam and Muslims, FD.    ::) ::)

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 4:42pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:34pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:30pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:14pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:07pm: Fuzzball wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:44pm: Why do you assume his views are typical of Australian Muslims?   ::) Why do you 'assume' they aren't? Don't they all read the same comic, the Koran? I know they aren't 'cause I know many Muslims. So, don't all Christians read the same "comic, The Bible"?    Does not The Bible have exhortations to murder Gay people in it?   YES/NO   ::) ::) ::) NO! Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10.   ::) Quote: And unlike your bloody mere man Muhammed, our Son of God Jesus has commanded us to love everyone...INCLUDING OUR ENEMIES. Funny, that isn't the attitude displayed by the most vehement of Christians here, Lisa, now is it?  Haven't you bothered to read Christianity according to Moses, FD, Sprintcyclist, etc?  It's all about hate.    ::) Those Bible verses support what I'm saying. They contradict everything you say. Are you feeling a tad embarrassed now? And furthermore, I'm not responsible for how you perceive others who post on OzPol. I do however know that you know I am fair. And right now I am talking to you. You, me. One on one. Fair!

Now, show me where the verses which YOU'VE POSTED tell Christians to murder gay people.

Off you go.....

freediver wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 4:57pm:

Typical Brian thought process. Our opinions about Islam must have nothing to do with Islam, but basing them on another religion is fine.

I've not taken much notice of Brian before.

Why? Because Aussie keeps blurring any discussions around this guy with his constant trolling.

The sad thing is....I can see that somewhere along Brian's life, some Muslim has been in his ear.

And now the guy is sitting around in cyberspace posting utter anti Christian nonsense.

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 4:53pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:34pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:30pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:14pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:07pm: Fuzzball wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:44pm: Why do you assume his views are typical of Australian Muslims?   ::) Why do you 'assume' they aren't? Don't they all read the same comic, the Koran? I know they aren't 'cause I know many Muslims. So, don't all Christians read the same "comic, The Bible"?   Does not The Bible have exhortations to murder Gay people in it?   YES/NO   ::) ::) ::) NO! Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10.   ::) Quote: And unlike your bloody mere man Muhammed, our Son of God Jesus has commanded us to love everyone...INCLUDING OUR ENEMIES. Funny, that isn't the attitude displayed by the most vehement of Christians here, Lisa, now is it?  Haven't you bothered to read Christianity according to Moses, FD, Sprintcyclist, etc?  It's all about hate.    ::) Those Bible verses support what I'm saying. They contradict everything you say. Are you feeling a tad embarrassed now? Those Bible Versus support what I have been saying, Lisa.  Christianity in the New Testament, has long been against Homosexuality.   Those versus are used to condemn it. I used the New Testament 'cause I know the old Christian trick of trying to disown the Old Testament as soon as it is quoted, despite it being part and parcel of the Christian's Bible. Time for you to go and play with the little kids in the little kids' playground. Now, what do you think of Moses, Sprintcyclist, FD et al's attitudes towards Muslims?  Justified or against the teachings that you, yourself have suggested, of Christ?  You know, the bit about "love everyone"?    ::) ::)

Brian, verse for verse Islam vs Christianity is irrelevant.
Christians protest with placards. Muslims just kill them, state sponsored killings of homosexuals.

Lisa Brian once argued that it is wrong to criticise other religions or countries, to the point where it is not even possible.


Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 5:00pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:57pm: Typical Brian thought process. Our opinions about Islam must have nothing to do with Islam, but basing them on another religion is fine. Your opinions have been shown, time and time again, to have little to do with Islam but are rather all about your bigotry towards Islam and Muslims, FD.    ::) ::)

So it is nothing to do with say, the most progressive Muslim we have ever had on here, a self identified reformer, arguing that 800 Jews deserved to die for being a mindless collective of treacherous Jews?

I only object to that because I am a bigot?

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 5:04pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:42pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:34pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:30pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:14pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:07pm: Fuzzball wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:44pm: Why do you assume his views are typical of Australian Muslims?   ::) Why do you 'assume' they aren't? Don't they all read the same comic, the Koran? I know they aren't 'cause I know many Muslims. So, don't all Christians read the same "comic, The Bible"?    Does not The Bible have exhortations to murder Gay people in it?   YES/NO   ::) ::) ::) NO! Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10.   ::) Quote: And unlike your bloody mere man Muhammed, our Son of God Jesus has commanded us to love everyone...INCLUDING OUR ENEMIES. Funny, that isn't the attitude displayed by the most vehement of Christians here, Lisa, now is it?  Haven't you bothered to read Christianity according to Moses, FD, Sprintcyclist, etc?  It's all about hate.    ::) Those Bible verses support what I'm saying. They contradict everything you say. Are you feeling a tad embarrassed now? And furthermore, I'm not responsible for how you perceive others who post on OzPol. I do however know that you know I am fair. And right now I am talking to you. You, me. One on one. Fair! Now, show me where the verses which YOU'VE POSTED tell Christians to murder gay people. Off you go.....

No answer eh?

Let me tell you why.

Because I've caught you out in an abominable lie against Christians.

You attempted to blur us in with what Islam teaches/advocates re Gays....and it utterly failed!

Next time you think you can try such a pathetic stunt....think again!

And you will not be able to use the Holy Bible against me. Ever.

Why?

Because unlike you, I grew up in a Christian household AND I myself made the decision to believe in Jesus Christ.

freediver wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 5:20pm:

Lisa Brian once argued that it is wrong to criticise other religions or countries, to the point where it is not even possible.

FD, Brian needs to practise what he preaches.

Why?

ALL HE DOES IS CRITICIZE OTHER RELIGIONS AND COUNTRIES.

And that makes him a hypocrite!

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 5:28pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 5:20pm: Lisa Brian once argued that it is wrong to criticise other religions or countries, to the point where it is not even possible. FD, Brian needs to practise what he preaches. Why? ALL HE DOES IS CRITICIZE OTHER RELIGIONS AND COUNTRIES. And that makes him a hypocrite!

I think he meant Islam. He is honest about being incapable of criticising Islam. He did once say that Islam is rightly condemned where it deserves to be condemned, but was incapable of elaborating.

freediver wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 5:36pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 5:28pm: freediver wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 5:20pm: Lisa Brian once argued that it is wrong to criticise other religions or countries, to the point where it is not even possible. FD, Brian needs to practise what he preaches. Why? ALL HE DOES IS CRITICIZE OTHER RELIGIONS AND COUNTRIES. And that makes him a hypocrite! I think he meant Islam. He is honest about being incapable of criticising Islam. He did once say that Islam is rightly condemned where it deserves to be condemned, but was incapable of elaborating.

Is there any aspect of Christianity which you condemn, freediver?

Not out of habit. I'm not a big fan of the old testament eye-for-an-eye type stuff.

Aussie wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 5:38pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 5:36pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 5:28pm: freediver wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 5:20pm: Lisa Brian once argued that it is wrong to criticise other religions or countries, to the point where it is not even possible. FD, Brian needs to practise what he preaches. Why? ALL HE DOES IS CRITICIZE OTHER RELIGIONS AND COUNTRIES. And that makes him a hypocrite! I think he meant Islam. He is honest about being incapable of criticising Islam. He did once say that Islam is rightly condemned where it deserves to be condemned, but was incapable of elaborating. Is there any aspect of Christianity which you condemn, freediver?

I enjoy your participation in the threads I start  :-*

But I do like cornflakes, so I guess that evens it out.

freediver wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 5:41pm:

Not out of habit. I'm not a big fan of the old testament eye-for-an-eye type stuff.

How about The Inquisition, The Crusades, The (filthy rich) "Vatican," the entrenched institutionalised child sexual abuse just for starters?

freediver wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 5:36pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 5:28pm: freediver wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 5:20pm: Lisa Brian once argued that it is wrong to criticise other religions or countries, to the point where it is not even possible. FD, Brian needs to practise what he preaches. Why? ALL HE DOES IS CRITICIZE OTHER RELIGIONS AND COUNTRIES. And that makes him a hypocrite! I think he meant Islam. He is honest about being incapable of criticising Islam. He did once say that Islam is rightly condemned where it deserves to be condemned, but was incapable of elaborating.

Says it all really.

Clearly, the wretched man is condemned to a life of ignorance bliss.

Aussie wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 5:57pm:

the entrenched institutionalised child sexual abuse just for starters?

You go way too far because you know you have lost the argument and now the plot.

Frank wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:07pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 5:57pm: the entrenched institutionalised child sexual abuse just for starters? You go way too far because you know you have lost the argument and now the plot.

Oh I see.  So you disbelieve there is/has been entrenched sexual abuse of children in Institutions operating as Christian benefactors?  Really?

freediver wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 5:41pm:

I'm not a big fan of the old testament eye-for-an-eye type stuff.

The Old Testament was BEFORE Christ.

If you're a Christian then the New Testament governs your faith and core values.

And despite the awful and despicable lies posted above by Brian...WE CHRISTIANS ARE NOTHING LIKE THE MUSLIMS...WE DO NOT ADVOCATE THE MURDER OF GAY PEOPLE.

FURTHERMORE, WE ARE TOLD BY JESUS THE SON OF GOD IN THE NEW TESTAMENT TO LOVE OUR ENEMIES...NOT ENGAGE IN SOME FORM OF PERPETUAL JIHAD AGAINST THEM WHICH INVOLVES MURDERING THEM.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 5:04pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:42pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:34pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:30pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:14pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:07pm: Fuzzball wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:44pm: Why do you assume his views are typical of Australian Muslims?   ::) Why do you 'assume' they aren't? Don't they all read the same comic, the Koran? I know they aren't 'cause I know many Muslims. So, don't all Christians read the same "comic, The Bible"?    Does not The Bible have exhortations to murder Gay people in it?   YES/NO   ::) ::) ::) NO! Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10.   ::) Quote: And unlike your bloody mere man Muhammed, our Son of God Jesus has commanded us to love everyone...INCLUDING OUR ENEMIES. Funny, that isn't the attitude displayed by the most vehement of Christians here, Lisa, now is it?  Haven't you bothered to read Christianity according to Moses, FD, Sprintcyclist, etc?  It's all about hate.    ::) Those Bible verses support what I'm saying. They contradict everything you say. Are you feeling a tad embarrassed now? And furthermore, I'm not responsible for how you perceive others who post on OzPol. I do however know that you know I am fair. And right now I am talking to you. You, me. One on one. Fair! Now, show me where the verses which YOU'VE POSTED tell Christians to murder gay people. Off you go.....

Take it up with the Christians who like to quote them, along with the Old Testament's exhortations against Homosexuality, Lisa.  I am not responsible for their interpretation of their holy book.    ::) ::)

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:12pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 5:41pm: Not out of habit. I'm not a big fan of the old testament eye-for-an-eye type stuff. The Old Testament was BEFORE Christ. If you're a Christian then the New Testament governs your faith and core values. And despite the awful and despicable lies posted above by Brian...WE CHRISTIANS ARE NOTHING LIKE THE MUSLIMS, WE DO NOT ADVOCATE THE MURDER OF GAY PEOPLE.

So, somehow you think you can make a credible distinction between what is ascribed to God (by his devotees of the time) as edicts, and those of his alleged Son, born of a virgin, and married Mother in an adulterous relationship?

The Old Testament is full of tales about how God told his Mob to do this, or that etc etc.  Which ones do you disown as not the edicts of God, and merely the claims of charlatans, Lisa Jones?

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 5:11pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:57pm: Typical Brian thought process. Our opinions about Islam must have nothing to do with Islam, but basing them on another religion is fine. I've not taken much notice of Brian before. Why? Because Aussie keeps blurring any discussions around this guy with his constant trolling. The sad thing is....I can see that somewhere along Brian's life, some Muslim has been in his ear.

I have know many Muslims, Lisa.  I've served next to one in the Australian Army.  We rarely discussed religion.   I see nothing wrong with talking to Christians about Christianity and I see nothing wrong with talking to Muslims about Islam.  Do you?  Why?


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And now the guy is sitting around in cyberspace posting utter anti Christian nonsense.

Mmm, "anti Christian nonsense"?  Surely that is a matter of interpretation?  Or are we all beholden to you and your pro-Christian beliefs, Lisa?   Have you ever looked at the history of Christianity, seriously?  Really?    ::) ::)

GordyL wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 5:13pm:

Brian, verse for verse Islam vs Christianity is irrelevant.

My, how quickly you disown your own Holy Book's words, Gordy.  Yet, you attack Muslims for their Holy Book's words, even when they aren't obeying them...    ::) ::)


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Christians protest with placards. Muslims just kill them, state sponsored killings of homosexuals.

Really?  Yet we have Australia's Homosexual capital, Sydney, the same city which has the highest Muslim population and the two co-exist, side-by-side, without any problems.  We don't have mobs of Muslims, patrolling the streets killing homosexuals.  Funny that, hey?  Seems to me your characterisations of Muslims leaves a great deal to be desired, Gordy.  No bigotry there?  Yes, some Muslims kill Homosexuals just some Christians kill Homosexuals, yet you appear only willing to condemn Muslims.  I wonder why?  Mmmm?   ::) ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:15pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 5:04pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:42pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:34pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:30pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:14pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:07pm: Fuzzball wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:44pm: Why do you assume his views are typical of Australian Muslims?   ::) Why do you 'assume' they aren't? Don't they all read the same comic, the Koran? I know they aren't 'cause I know many Muslims. So, don't all Christians read the same "comic, The Bible"?    Does not The Bible have exhortations to murder Gay people in it?   YES/NO   ::) ::) ::) NO! Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10.   ::) Quote: And unlike your bloody mere man Muhammed, our Son of God Jesus has commanded us to love everyone...INCLUDING OUR ENEMIES. Funny, that isn't the attitude displayed by the most vehement of Christians here, Lisa, now is it?  Haven't you bothered to read Christianity according to Moses, FD, Sprintcyclist, etc?  It's all about hate.    ::) Those Bible verses support what I'm saying. They contradict everything you say. Are you feeling a tad embarrassed now? And furthermore, I'm not responsible for how you perceive others who post on OzPol. I do however know that you know I am fair. And right now I am talking to you. You, me. One on one. Fair! Now, show me where the verses which YOU'VE POSTED tell Christians to murder gay people. Off you go..... Take it up with the Christians who like to quote them, along with the Old Testament's exhortations against Homosexuality, Lisa.  I am not responsible for their interpretation of their holy book.    ::) ::)

For God's sake Brian, YOU posted these verses out of the New Testment...not me.

And you did so as evidence that we Christians are taught to murder gay people just like you Muslims do.

In essence, you ATTEMPTED TO PERVERT THESE VERSES IN THE NAME OF ISLAM by lying about what they stated.

How about you apologize for being so disrespectful and then you can apologize for your blatant lying.

And after that, how about you promise to never do it again.

>:(

freediver wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 5:20pm:

Lisa Brian once argued that it is wrong to criticise other religions or countries, to the point where it is not even possible. Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 5:00pm: freediver wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:57pm: Typical Brian thought process. Our opinions about Islam must have nothing to do with Islam, but basing them on another religion is fine. Your opinions have been shown, time and time again, to have little to do with Islam but are rather all about your bigotry towards Islam and Muslims, FD.    ::) ::) So it is nothing to do with say, the most progressive Muslim we have ever had on here, a self identified reformer, arguing that 800 Jews deserved to die for being a mindless collective of treacherous Jews? I only object to that because I am a bigot?

As Gandalf has shown, they are your words, not his, FD.  You use your own inflammatory language to describe what others have said, rather than their own words.   Does that make you a bigot and a liar?   ::) ::)

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 5:22pm:

No answer eh? Let me tell you why. Because I've caught you out in an abominable lie against Christians. You attempted to blur us in with what Islam teaches/advocates re Gays....and it utterly failed! Next time you think you can try such a pathetic stunt....think again! And you will not be able to use the Holy Bible against me. Ever. Why? Because unlike you, I grew up in a Christian household AND I myself made the decision to believe in Jesus Christ.

That's your choice but don't try and push your viewpoint onto me, please, Lisa.

I am not on here 24 hours a day.  I have replied when and where I believe it is necessary.

You can believe in your god.  Why aren't you willing to obey his command to "love everybody"?   Why do you hate all Muslims simply for being Muslims?   Why do you hate me, for believing something different to yourself?   It appears to me like you have your views on Christianity and they don't accord with reality to me.    ::) ::)

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 5:28pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 5:20pm: Lisa Brian once argued that it is wrong to criticise other religions or countries, to the point where it is not even possible. FD, Brian needs to practise what he preaches. Why? ALL HE DOES IS CRITICIZE OTHER RELIGIONS AND COUNTRIES. And that makes him a hypocrite!

Why?  How?  I tell the truth about Christianity and other countries.  You appear to be living in a fantasy world, Lisa, not I.    ::)

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:12pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 5:41pm: I'm not a big fan of the old testament eye-for-an-eye type stuff. The Old Testament was BEFORE Christ. If you're a Christian then the New Testament governs your faith and core values. And despite the awful and despicable lies posted above by Brian...WE CHRISTIANS ARE NOTHING LIKE THE MUSLIMS...WE DO NOT ADVOCATE THE MURDER OF GAY PEOPLE. FURTHERMORE, WE ARE TOLD BY JESUS THE SON OF GOD IN THE NEW TESTAMENT TO LOVE OUR ENEMIES...NOT ENGAGE IN SOME FORM OF PERPETUAL JIHAD AGAINST THEM WHICH INVOLVES MURDERING THEM.

Why is the Old Testament a part of the Christian Bible, Lisa?

Why do many Christians quote the Old Testament when they are justifying an atrocity?

These are questions all Christians seem to shy away from when I ask them.  Why?    ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:18pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 5:11pm: freediver wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:57pm: Typical Brian thought process. Our opinions about Islam must have nothing to do with Islam, but basing them on another religion is fine. I've not taken much notice of Brian before. Why? Because Aussie keeps blurring any discussions around this guy with his constant trolling. The sad thing is....I can see that somewhere along Brian's life, some Muslim has been in his ear. I have know many Muslims, Lisa.  I've served next to one in the Australian Army.  We rarely discussed religion.   I see nothing wrong with talking to Christians about Christianity and I see nothing wrong with talking to Muslims about Islam.  Do you?  Why? Quote: And now the guy is sitting around in cyberspace posting utter anti Christian nonsense. Mmm, "anti Christian nonsense"?  Surely that is a matter of interpretation?  Or are we all beholden to you and your pro-Christian beliefs, Lisa?   Have you ever looked at the history of Christianity, seriously?  Really?    ::) ::)

Stop your nonsense about my Christian faith.

The bottom line is this :

You're a Muslim.

But for some reason, you won't admit it.

Are you embarrassed, ashamed, scared?

Which one is it?

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:30pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 6:12pm: freediver wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 5:41pm: I'm not a big fan of the old testament eye-for-an-eye type stuff. The Old Testament was BEFORE Christ. If you're a Christian then the New Testament governs your faith and core values. And despite the awful and despicable lies posted above by Brian...WE CHRISTIANS ARE NOTHING LIKE THE MUSLIMS...WE DO NOT ADVOCATE THE MURDER OF GAY PEOPLE. FURTHERMORE, WE ARE TOLD BY JESUS THE SON OF GOD IN THE NEW TESTAMENT TO LOVE OUR ENEMIES...NOT ENGAGE IN SOME FORM OF PERPETUAL JIHAD AGAINST THEM WHICH INVOLVES MURDERING THEM. Why is the Old Testament a part of the Christian Bible, Lisa? Why do many Christians quote the Old Testament when they are justifying an atrocity? These are questions all Christians seem to shy away from when I ask them.  Why?    ::) ::)

Actually, no we don't.

But given you're a Muslim, how would you even know?

Hence your perverse and ignorant assumption.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:22pm:

For God's sake Brian, YOU posted these verses out of the New Testment...not me.

Yes, I did, didn't I?


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And you did so as evidence that we Christians are taught to murder gay people just like you Muslims do.

Why do you assume I am a Muslim?   ::) ::)

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:31pm:

Stop your nonsense about my Christian faith.

Why?  You've the one who's brought it into the conversation, not me. 


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The bottom line is this : You're a Muslim.

Why do you assume I am a Muslim, Lisa?

Have I ever said I am a Muslim?   YES/NO

Have I ever indicated that I am religious in any way?  YES/NO

Get back to us when you have an answer, please, Lisa, rather than just your "assumptions".   ::)


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But for some reason, you won't admit it. Are you embarrassed, ashamed, scared? Which one is it?

None of the above, Lisa.  Worked it out yet?   ::) ::)

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:33pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 6:30pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 6:12pm: freediver wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 5:41pm: I'm not a big fan of the old testament eye-for-an-eye type stuff. The Old Testament was BEFORE Christ. If you're a Christian then the New Testament governs your faith and core values. And despite the awful and despicable lies posted above by Brian...WE CHRISTIANS ARE NOTHING LIKE THE MUSLIMS...WE DO NOT ADVOCATE THE MURDER OF GAY PEOPLE. FURTHERMORE, WE ARE TOLD BY JESUS THE SON OF GOD IN THE NEW TESTAMENT TO LOVE OUR ENEMIES...NOT ENGAGE IN SOME FORM OF PERPETUAL JIHAD AGAINST THEM WHICH INVOLVES MURDERING THEM. Why is the Old Testament a part of the Christian Bible, Lisa? Why do many Christians quote the Old Testament when they are justifying an atrocity? These are questions all Christians seem to shy away from when I ask them.  Why?    ::) ::) Actually, no we don't.

So answer them, Lisa, answer them...   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 4:07pm:

Fuzzball wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:44pm: Why do you assume his views are typical of Australian Muslims?   ::) Why do you 'assume' they aren't? Don't they all read the same comic, the Koran? I know they aren't 'cause I know many Muslims. So, don't all Christians read the same "comic, The Bible"?   Does not The Bible have exhortations to murder Gay people in it?   YES/NO   ::) ::) ::)

Maybe you should 'read between the lines', especially the title of this thread?

No......can't see Christians in the title?

And YES Christians do.......but the Bible is a limited edition old son......... ::) ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:22pm:

GordyL wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 5:13pm: Brian, verse for verse Islam vs Christianity is irrelevant. My, how quickly you disown your own Holy Book's words, Gordy.  Yet, you attack Muslims for their Holy Book's words, even when they aren't obeying them...    ::) ::) Quote: Christians protest with placards. Muslims just kill them, state sponsored killings of homosexuals. Really?  Yet we have Australia's Homosexual capital, Sydney, the same city which has the highest Muslim population and the two co-exist, side-by-side, without any problems.  We don't have mobs of Muslims, patrolling the streets killing homosexuals.  Funny that, hey?  Seems to me your characterisations of Muslims leaves a great deal to be desired, Gordy.  No bigotry there?  Yes, some Muslims kill Homosexuals just some Christians kill Homosexuals, yet you appear only willing to condemn Muslims.  I wonder why?  Mmmm?   ::) ::) ::)

Brian, firstly, I'm an avowed secularist, you're not paying attention.

Secondly, there was a massive surge in violence against gays by Middle Eastern men in Oxford Street during the time Notorious and BFL were hanging out there, 2000 to about 2010, gays nearly abandoned Oxford St.

This is something I know a fair bit about, Brian.
Hope this helps.

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:24pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 5:20pm: Lisa Brian once argued that it is wrong to criticise other religions or countries, to the point where it is not even possible. Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 5:00pm: freediver wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:57pm: Typical Brian thought process. Our opinions about Islam must have nothing to do with Islam, but basing them on another religion is fine. Your opinions have been shown, time and time again, to have little to do with Islam but are rather all about your bigotry towards Islam and Muslims, FD.    ::) ::) So it is nothing to do with say, the most progressive Muslim we have ever had on here, a self identified reformer, arguing that 800 Jews deserved to die for being a mindless collective of treacherous Jews? I only object to that because I am a bigot? As Gandalf has shown, they are your words, not his, FD.  You use your own inflammatory language to describe what others have said, rather than their own words.   Does that make you a bigot and a liar?   ::) ::)

Is this me putting words into Gandalf's mouth Brian?


freediver wrote on May 27^th, 2016 at 6:16pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 10:27am: freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 8:26am: If you think these 800 people acted as some kind of mindless collective Thats exactly what they were. polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 8th, 2013 at 7:38pm: Also the treachery of the jews had nothing to do with them refusing to help the muslims. Simple facts FD. polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 3:11pm: As I said, there was no real concept of individuality - your personality was literally defined by which tribe you belonged to. And the decisions that govern the tribe are very much decisions that are represented by all the individuals who make up the tribe. Thus there really is no question of collective guilt - no matter how abhorrent we find the term today. polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 3:48pm: Muhammad had been burnt before by granting another traitorous tribe free passage to leave the city - upon which they immediately started plotting against Medina and instigating hostilities. polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 4:08pm: The leaders conspired - yes. The rest of them had the opportunity to disown their treachery. They declined. So tough titties- off with their heads. polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 4:08pm: What do you think the Banu Qurayza would have done to the muslims if their planned back-stabbing assault on Medina had succeeded? polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 6th, 2013 at 2:05pm: Like I keep saying, it is reasonable to accuse them of collective guilt, since at any time any individual had the opportunity to disassociate themselves from the decisions made on behalf of the tribe.

Fuzzball wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 7:27pm:

Maybe you should 'read between the lines', especially the title of this thread? No......can't see Christians in the title? And YES Christians do.......but the Bible is a limited edition old son......... ::) ::) ::)

The Bible is an unlimited edition, old boy...   ::) ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:37pm:

Why do you assume I am a Muslim?   ::) ::)

Er... your basic attitude is dishonesty?

Aussie wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 5:57pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 5:41pm: Not out of habit. I'm not a big fan of the old testament eye-for-an-eye type stuff. How about The Inquisition, The Crusades, The (filthy rich) "Vatican," the entrenched institutionalised child sexual abuse just for starters?

You left out cornflakes Aussie.


Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:28pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 5:28pm: freediver wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 5:20pm: Lisa Brian once argued that it is wrong to criticise other religions or countries, to the point where it is not even possible. FD, Brian needs to practise what he preaches. Why? ALL HE DOES IS CRITICIZE OTHER RELIGIONS AND COUNTRIES. And that makes him a hypocrite! Why?  How?  I tell the truth about Christianity and other countries.  You appear to be living in a fantasy world, Lisa, not I.    ::)

But you won't allow yourself to do the same for Islam. Why is that Brian?


freediver wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 6:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15th, 2013 at 5:39pm: Quote: Is this the Islam you are so keen to defend with your "fair deal" nonsense, what about those who no longer believe in that bullshit barfed up by a 7th century desert bandit do they deserve a fair deal like article 18 of the Universal declaration of human rights? [quote]7 nations where atheism is punishable by death. All 7 establish Islam as the state religion. Pakistan,Saudi Arabia,Iran,Afghanistan,Sudan,Mauritania and the Maldives www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/10/the-seven-countries-where-the-state-can-execute-you-for-being-atheist/ I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV.  I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments.   It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them.  I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.

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I have know many Muslims, Lisa.  I've served next to one in the Australian Army.  We rarely discussed religion.   I see nothing wrong with talking to Christians about Christianity and I see nothing wrong with talking to Muslims about Islam.

Have you ever done that Brian? You seem to avoid discussing the difficult parts of Islam like the plague.

freediver wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 6:24pm: freediver wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 5:20pm: Lisa Brian once argued that it is wrong to criticise other religions or countries, to the point where it is not even possible. Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 5:00pm: freediver wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:57pm: Typical Brian thought process. Our opinions about Islam must have nothing to do with Islam, but basing them on another religion is fine. Your opinions have been shown, time and time again, to have little to do with Islam but are rather all about your bigotry towards Islam and Muslims, FD.    ::) ::) So it is nothing to do with say, the most progressive Muslim we have ever had on here, a self identified reformer, arguing that 800 Jews deserved to die for being a mindless collective of treacherous Jews? I only object to that because I am a bigot? As Gandalf has shown, they are your words, not his, FD.  You use your own inflammatory language to describe what others have said, rather than their own words.   Does that make you a bigot and a liar?   ::) ::) Is this me putting words into Gandalf's mouth Brian? freediver wrote on May 27th, 2016 at 6:16pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 10:27am: freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 8:26am: If you think these 800 people acted as some kind of mindless collective Thats exactly what they were. polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 8th, 2013 at 7:38pm: Also the treachery of the jews had nothing to do with them refusing to help the muslims. Simple facts FD. polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 3:11pm: As I said, there was no real concept of individuality - your personality was literally defined by which tribe you belonged to. And the decisions that govern the tribe are very much decisions that are represented by all the individuals who make up the tribe. Thus there really is no question of collective guilt - no matter how abhorrent we find the term today. polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 3:48pm: Muhammad had been burnt before by granting another traitorous tribe free passage to leave the city - upon which they immediately started plotting against Medina and instigating hostilities. polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 4:08pm: The leaders conspired - yes. The rest of them had the opportunity to disown their treachery. They declined. So tough titties- off with their heads. polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 4:08pm: What do you think the Banu Qurayza would have done to the muslims if their planned back-stabbing assault on Medina had succeeded? polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 6th, 2013 at 2:05pm: Like I keep saying, it is reasonable to accuse them of collective guilt, since at any time any individual had the opportunity to disassociate themselves from the decisions made on behalf of the tribe.

Freediver, that is dishonest.  Really.  There is an existing Thread where that matter is being thrashed out and you are coming second it in.  You now seek to transport that debate to here with just a cherry picked selection ("quote bombs") of posts from an entire Thread.  If Brian wants to come into it, he can do so here:

Link.

Thanks for the link Aussie, otherwise people would have never figured out how to find the thread.

Do you agree with Brian that I am putting those words into Gandalf's mouth?

Why is it dishonest to quote people?

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 6:15pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 5:04pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:42pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:34pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:30pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:14pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:07pm: Fuzzball wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:44pm: Why do you assume his views are typical of Australian Muslims?   ::) Why do you 'assume' they aren't? Don't they all read the same comic, the Koran? I know they aren't 'cause I know many Muslims. So, don't all Christians read the same "comic, The Bible"?    Does not The Bible have exhortations to murder Gay people in it?   YES/NO   ::) ::) ::) NO! Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10.   ::) Quote: And unlike your bloody mere man Muhammed, our Son of God Jesus has commanded us to love everyone...INCLUDING OUR ENEMIES. Funny, that isn't the attitude displayed by the most vehement of Christians here, Lisa, now is it?  Haven't you bothered to read Christianity according to Moses, FD, Sprintcyclist, etc?  It's all about hate.    ::) Those Bible verses support what I'm saying. They contradict everything you say. Are you feeling a tad embarrassed now? And furthermore, I'm not responsible for how you perceive others who post on OzPol. I do however know that you know I am fair. And right now I am talking to you. You, me. One on one. Fair! Now, show me where the verses which YOU'VE POSTED tell Christians to murder gay people. Off you go..... Take it up with the Christians who like to quote them, along with the Old Testament's exhortations against Homosexuality, Lisa.  I am not responsible for their interpretation of their holy book.    ::) ::) For God's sake Brian, YOU posted these verses out of the New Testment...not me. And you did so as evidence that we Christians are taught to murder gay people just like you Muslims do. In essence, you ATTEMPTED TO PERVERT THESE VERSES IN THE NAME OF ISLAM by lying about what they stated. How about you apologize for being so disrespectful and then you can apologize for your blatant lying. And after that, how about you promise to never do it again. >:(

Where's your apology "Brian"?

Apology?  For what, Lisa?  Stating the truth?   ::) ::) ::)

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 3:27pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 6:22pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 6:15pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 5:04pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:42pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:34pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:30pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:14pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:07pm: Fuzzball wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:44pm: Why do you assume his views are typical of Australian Muslims?   ::) Why do you 'assume' they aren't? Don't they all read the same comic, the Koran? I know they aren't 'cause I know many Muslims. So, don't all Christians read the same "comic, The Bible"?    Does not The Bible have exhortations to murder Gay people in it?   YES/NO   ::) ::) ::) NO! Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10.   ::) Quote: And unlike your bloody mere man Muhammed, our Son of God Jesus has commanded us to love everyone...INCLUDING OUR ENEMIES. Funny, that isn't the attitude displayed by the most vehement of Christians here, Lisa, now is it?  Haven't you bothered to read Christianity according to Moses, FD, Sprintcyclist, etc?  It's all about hate.    ::) Those Bible verses support what I'm saying. They contradict everything you say. Are you feeling a tad embarrassed now? And furthermore, I'm not responsible for how you perceive others who post on OzPol. I do however know that you know I am fair. And right now I am talking to you. You, me. One on one. Fair! Now, show me where the verses which YOU'VE POSTED tell Christians to murder gay people. Off you go..... Take it up with the Christians who like to quote them, along with the Old Testament's exhortations against Homosexuality, Lisa.  I am not responsible for their interpretation of their holy book.    ::) ::) For God's sake Brian, YOU posted these verses out of the New Testment...not me. And you did so as evidence that we Christians are taught to murder gay people just like you Muslims do. In essence, you ATTEMPTED TO PERVERT THESE VERSES IN THE NAME OF ISLAM by lying about what they stated. How about you apologize for being so disrespectful and then you can apologize for your blatant lying. And after that, how about you promise to never do it again. >:( Where's your apology "Brian"?

You can apologize for the following :

1. YOU posted verses out of the New Testament as evidence that we Christians are taught to murder gay people just like you Muslims do.

2. You ATTEMPTED TO PERVERT THESE VERSES IN THE NAME OF ISLAM by lying about what they stated. They state nothing about murdering gay people at all.

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 4:10pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 3:27pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 6:22pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 6:15pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 5:04pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:42pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:34pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:30pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:14pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:07pm: Fuzzball wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:44pm: Why do you assume his views are typical of Australian Muslims?   ::) Why do you 'assume' they aren't? Don't they all read the same comic, the Koran? I know they aren't 'cause I know many Muslims. So, don't all Christians read the same "comic, The Bible"?    Does not The Bible have exhortations to murder Gay people in it?   YES/NO   ::) ::) ::) NO! Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10.   ::) Quote: And unlike your bloody mere man Muhammed, our Son of God Jesus has commanded us to love everyone...INCLUDING OUR ENEMIES. Funny, that isn't the attitude displayed by the most vehement of Christians here, Lisa, now is it?  Haven't you bothered to read Christianity according to Moses, FD, Sprintcyclist, etc?  It's all about hate.    ::) Those Bible verses support what I'm saying. They contradict everything you say. Are you feeling a tad embarrassed now? And furthermore, I'm not responsible for how you perceive others who post on OzPol. I do however know that you know I am fair. And right now I am talking to you. You, me. One on one. Fair! Now, show me where the verses which YOU'VE POSTED tell Christians to murder gay people. Off you go..... Take it up with the Christians who like to quote them, along with the Old Testament's exhortations against Homosexuality, Lisa.  I am not responsible for their interpretation of their holy book.    ::) ::) For God's sake Brian, YOU posted these verses out of the New Testment...not me. And you did so as evidence that we Christians are taught to murder gay people just like you Muslims do. In essence, you ATTEMPTED TO PERVERT THESE VERSES IN THE NAME OF ISLAM by lying about what they stated. How about you apologize for being so disrespectful and then you can apologize for your blatant lying. And after that, how about you promise to never do it again. >:( Where's your apology "Brian"? You can apologize for the following : 1. YOU posted verses out of the New Testament as evidence that we Christians are taught to murder gay people just like you Muslims do. 2. You ATTEMPTED TO PERVERT THESE VERSES IN THE NAME OF ISLAM by lying about what they stated. They state nothing about murdering gay people at all. These are the verses YOU reckon support your claim that we Christians are like Muslims in that we believe gay people ought to be murdered : Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10.

Where's your apology you lying deceitful troll!

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 4:15pm:

Where's your apology you lying deceitful troll!

Apology?  For what?  That you have a foul mouth and you continually, liberally heap insults on my head because you cannot read and that you don't understand your own religion?

What happened to, "we love everybody", Lisa?  You claimed that was what Christians were taught, yet its rather obvious by now that you don't love me, nor does it seem you love Muslims for some bigoted reason.

When you grow up, I might take notice of you, Lisa.  Until then, off you go, back to the little kiddies playground, OK?   ::) ::) ::)

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 4:15pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:10pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 3:27pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 6:22pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 6:15pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 5:04pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:42pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:34pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:30pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:14pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:07pm: Fuzzball wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:44pm: Why do you assume his views are typical of Australian Muslims?   ::) Why do you 'assume' they aren't? Don't they all read the same comic, the Koran? I know they aren't 'cause I know many Muslims. So, don't all Christians read the same "comic, The Bible"?    Does not The Bible have exhortations to murder Gay people in it?   YES/NO   ::) ::) ::) NO! Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10.   ::) Quote: And unlike your bloody mere man Muhammed, our Son of God Jesus has commanded us to love everyone...INCLUDING OUR ENEMIES. Funny, that isn't the attitude displayed by the most vehement of Christians here, Lisa, now is it?  Haven't you bothered to read Christianity according to Moses, FD, Sprintcyclist, etc?  It's all about hate.    ::) Those Bible verses support what I'm saying. They contradict everything you say. Are you feeling a tad embarrassed now? And furthermore, I'm not responsible for how you perceive others who post on OzPol. I do however know that you know I am fair. And right now I am talking to you. You, me. One on one. Fair! Now, show me where the verses which YOU'VE POSTED tell Christians to murder gay people. Off you go..... Take it up with the Christians who like to quote them, along with the Old Testament's exhortations against Homosexuality, Lisa.  I am not responsible for their interpretation of their holy book.    ::) ::) For God's sake Brian, YOU posted these verses out of the New Testment...not me. And you did so as evidence that we Christians are taught to murder gay people just like you Muslims do. In essence, you ATTEMPTED TO PERVERT THESE VERSES IN THE NAME OF ISLAM by lying about what they stated. How about you apologize for being so disrespectful and then you can apologize for your blatant lying. And after that, how about you promise to never do it again. >:( Where's your apology "Brian"? You can apologize for the following : 1. YOU posted verses out of the New Testament as evidence that we Christians are taught to murder gay people just like you Muslims do. 2. You ATTEMPTED TO PERVERT THESE VERSES IN THE NAME OF ISLAM by lying about what they stated. They state nothing about murdering gay people at all. These are the verses YOU reckon support your claim that we Christians are like Muslims in that we believe gay people ought to be murdered : Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10. Where's your apology you lying deceitful troll!

Up!

Your blatant lies are staring at you right in the face!

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 4:15pm:

Where's your apology you lying deceitful troll!

Apology?  For what?  That you have a foul mouth and you continually, liberally heap insults on my head because you cannot read and that you don't understand your own religion?

What happened to, "we love everybody", Lisa?  You claimed that was what Christians were taught, yet its rather obvious by now that you don't love me, nor does it seem you love Muslims for some bigoted reason.

When you grow up, I might take notice of you, Lisa.  Until then, off you go, back to the little kiddies playground, OK?   ::) ::) ::)

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 4:24pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:15pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:10pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 3:27pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 6:22pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 6:15pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 5:04pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:42pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:34pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:30pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:14pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:07pm: Fuzzball wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:44pm: Why do you assume his views are typical of Australian Muslims?   ::) Why do you 'assume' they aren't? Don't they all read the same comic, the Koran? I know they aren't 'cause I know many Muslims. So, don't all Christians read the same "comic, The Bible"?    Does not The Bible have exhortations to murder Gay people in it?   YES/NO   ::) ::) ::) NO! Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10.   ::) Quote: And unlike your bloody mere man Muhammed, our Son of God Jesus has commanded us to love everyone...INCLUDING OUR ENEMIES. Funny, that isn't the attitude displayed by the most vehement of Christians here, Lisa, now is it?  Haven't you bothered to read Christianity according to Moses, FD, Sprintcyclist, etc?  It's all about hate.    ::) Those Bible verses support what I'm saying. They contradict everything you say. Are you feeling a tad embarrassed now? And furthermore, I'm not responsible for how you perceive others who post on OzPol. I do however know that you know I am fair. And right now I am talking to you. You, me. One on one. Fair! Now, show me where the verses which YOU'VE POSTED tell Christians to murder gay people. Off you go..... Take it up with the Christians who like to quote them, along with the Old Testament's exhortations against Homosexuality, Lisa.  I am not responsible for their interpretation of their holy book.    ::) ::) For God's sake Brian, YOU posted these verses out of the New Testment...not me. And you did so as evidence that we Christians are taught to murder gay people just like you Muslims do. In essence, you ATTEMPTED TO PERVERT THESE VERSES IN THE NAME OF ISLAM by lying about what they stated. How about you apologize for being so disrespectful and then you can apologize for your blatant lying. And after that, how about you promise to never do it again. >:( Where's your apology "Brian"? You can apologize for the following : 1. YOU posted verses out of the New Testament as evidence that we Christians are taught to murder gay people just like you Muslims do. 2. You ATTEMPTED TO PERVERT THESE VERSES IN THE NAME OF ISLAM by lying about what they stated. They state nothing about murdering gay people at all. These are the verses YOU reckon support your claim that we Christians are like Muslims in that we believe gay people ought to be murdered : Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10. Where's your apology you lying deceitful troll! Up! Your blatant lies are staring at you right in the face!

Up for FD.

BY ALL MEANS FD, ENJOY!

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Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 4:32pm:

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Have you made even one on topic post about the actual video?

GordyL wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 4:39pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:32pm: http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/122743/2332811-yawn_20smiley.jpg Have you made even one on topic post about the actual video?

Yes.  I'll leave you to figure out which ones, Gordy.  Enjoy yourself.   ::) ::) ::)

GordyL wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 4:39pm:

Have you made even one on topic post about the actual video?

Umm that would be a NO.

BRIAN AHMED TROLL has been far too busy hiding behind oversized emoticons.

Why?

He doesn't like his lies being exposed.

If you look through, he has posted nothing but utter lies in every post in this topic.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 4:47pm:

GordyL wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:39pm: Have you made even one on topic post about the actual video? Umm that would be a NO. BRIAN AHMED TROLL has been far too busy hiding behind oversized emoticons. Why? He doesn't like his lies being exposed. If you look through, he has posted nothing but utter lies in every post in this topic.

Still waiting for your great exposition, Lisa.   ::) ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 4:46pm:

GordyL wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:39pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:32pm: http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/122743/2332811-yawn_20smiley.jpg Have you made even one on topic post about the actual video? Yes.  I'll leave you to figure out which ones, Gordy.  Enjoy yourself.   ::) ::) ::)

What he REALLY means is :

No.

I won't leave you here.

Anything this troll has stated to date...the opposite is in fact the case.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 4:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:46pm: GordyL wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:39pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:32pm: http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/122743/2332811-yawn_20smiley.jpg Have you made even one on topic post about the actual video? Yes.  I'll leave you to figure out which ones, Gordy.  Enjoy yourself.   ::) ::) ::) What he REALLY means is : No. I won't leave you here. Anything this troll has stated to date...the opposite is in fact the case.

I see.  Still no exposition.  Funny that.

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Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 4:47pm:

GordyL wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:39pm: Have you made even one on topic post about the actual video? Umm that would be a NO. BRIAN AHMED TROLL has been far too busy hiding behind oversized emoticons. Why? He doesn't like his lies being exposed. If you look through, he has posted nothing but utter lies in every post in this topic.

Says she that sandblasts the thread with her own oversized bullshite.

Over and over again.

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 4:51pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:47pm: GordyL wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:39pm: Have you made even one on topic post about the actual video? Umm that would be a NO. BRIAN AHMED TROLL has been far too busy hiding behind oversized emoticons. Why? He doesn't like his lies being exposed. If you look through, he has posted nothing but utter lies in every post in this topic. Still waiting for your great exposition, Lisa.   ::) ::) ::)

I've done that a few times.

Still can't see it eh?

Open your eyes wider then, troll!

Quote:

I've done that a few times.

You have done it nowhere.  All you have done is toss strawman ad hom bullshit "one-liner" look at meeeeeee "Brian Ross is a Muslim" crap around.

Grow up, Lisa Jones.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 4:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:51pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:47pm: GordyL wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:39pm: Have you made even one on topic post about the actual video? Umm that would be a NO. BRIAN AHMED TROLL has been far too busy hiding behind oversized emoticons. Why? He doesn't like his lies being exposed. If you look through, he has posted nothing but utter lies in every post in this topic. Still waiting for your great exposition, Lisa.   ::) ::) ::) I've done that a few times. Still can't see it eh? Open your eyes wider then, troll!

An exposition normally consists of evidence, Lisa, not just opinion which is all you've posted thus far.   Keep trying, it's amusing to watch you flounder around.  ::) ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 5:03pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:58pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:51pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:47pm: GordyL wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:39pm: Have you made even one on topic post about the actual video? Umm that would be a NO. BRIAN AHMED TROLL has been far too busy hiding behind oversized emoticons. Why? He doesn't like his lies being exposed. If you look through, he has posted nothing but utter lies in every post in this topic. Still waiting for your great exposition, Lisa.   ::) ::) ::) I've done that a few times. Still can't see it eh? Open your eyes wider then, troll! An exposition normally consists of evidence, Lisa, not just opinion which is all you've posted thus far.   Keep trying, it's amusing to watch you flounder around.  ::) ::) ::)

Something tells me FD isn't going to be amused by you once he comes online.

Keep that in mind.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 5:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 5:03pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:58pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:51pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:47pm: GordyL wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:39pm: Have you made even one on topic post about the actual video? Umm that would be a NO. BRIAN AHMED TROLL has been far too busy hiding behind oversized emoticons. Why? He doesn't like his lies being exposed. If you look through, he has posted nothing but utter lies in every post in this topic. Still waiting for your great exposition, Lisa.   ::) ::) ::) I've done that a few times. Still can't see it eh? Open your eyes wider then, troll! An exposition normally consists of evidence, Lisa, not just opinion which is all you've posted thus far.   Keep trying, it's amusing to watch you flounder around.  ::) ::) ::) Something tells me FD isn't going to be amused by you once he comes online. Keep that in mind.

Still no evidence, Lisa.  Oh, dear, just an appeal to your big brother.  I quail in my boots.    ::) ::) ::)

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 4:24pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:15pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:10pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 3:27pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 6:22pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 6:15pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 5:04pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:42pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:34pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:30pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:14pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:07pm: Fuzzball wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:44pm: Why do you assume his views are typical of Australian Muslims?   ::) Why do you 'assume' they aren't? Don't they all read the same comic, the Koran? I know they aren't 'cause I know many Muslims. So, don't all Christians read the same "comic, The Bible"?    Does not The Bible have exhortations to murder Gay people in it?   YES/NO   ::) ::) ::) NO! Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10.   ::) Quote: And unlike your bloody mere man Muhammed, our Son of God Jesus has commanded us to love everyone...INCLUDING OUR ENEMIES. Funny, that isn't the attitude displayed by the most vehement of Christians here, Lisa, now is it?  Haven't you bothered to read Christianity according to Moses, FD, Sprintcyclist, etc?  It's all about hate.    ::) Those Bible verses support what I'm saying. They contradict everything you say. Are you feeling a tad embarrassed now? And furthermore, I'm not responsible for how you perceive others who post on OzPol. I do however know that you know I am fair. And right now I am talking to you. You, me. One on one. Fair! Now, show me where the verses which YOU'VE POSTED tell Christians to murder gay people. Off you go..... Take it up with the Christians who like to quote them, along with the Old Testament's exhortations against Homosexuality, Lisa.  I am not responsible for their interpretation of their holy book.    ::) ::) For God's sake Brian, YOU posted these verses out of the New Testment...not me. And you did so as evidence that we Christians are taught to murder gay people just like you Muslims do. In essence, you ATTEMPTED TO PERVERT THESE VERSES IN THE NAME OF ISLAM by lying about what they stated. How about you apologize for being so disrespectful and then you can apologize for your blatant lying. And after that, how about you promise to never do it again. >:( Where's your apology "Brian"? You can apologize for the following : 1. YOU posted verses out of the New Testament as evidence that we Christians are taught to murder gay people just like you Muslims do. 2. You ATTEMPTED TO PERVERT THESE VERSES IN THE NAME OF ISLAM by lying about what they stated. They state nothing about murdering gay people at all. These are the verses YOU reckon support your claim that we Christians are like Muslims in that we believe gay people ought to be murdered : Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10. Where's your apology you lying deceitful troll! Up! Your blatant lies are staring at you right in the face!

Up for FD!

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Something tells me FD isn't going to be amused by you once he comes online. Keep that in mind.

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That's what FD will doing even if he bothers reading this.

Aussie wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 4:38pm:

You were asked the question: Quote: Does not The Bible have exhortations to murder Gay people in it?   YES/NO Your answer was: [quote]NO!

Is this not in the Bible?


Quote:

Leviticus 20:13New Living Translation (NLT) 13 “If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.

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Aussie,

Yes that comes from the bible.

But to whom do those laws refer [and apply to] ?




Those Old Testament laws only apply to the ancient Israelites, living in the land.

The ancient Israelites dedicated themselves [in a covenant with their God] to being a holy people. [the O.T. scripture is cited below]



Homosexuals among the ancient Israelites, were to be put to death,
....because they had broken their covenant with their God, TO BE A HOLY PEOPLE.

Again, they were to be put to death because they had broken their covenant with their God.



It cannot be argued, nor proved scripturally, that those Old Testament laws have any application outside of the land of Israel, or, to persons who are outside of the congregation of the people of Israel [and who were not living in the land of Israel].



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Their God, demanded that the ancient Israelites dedicate themselves to being a holy people. [and 'a light unto the gentiles']

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Exodus 25:8
And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.


Exodus 29:45
And I will dwell among the children of Israel, and will be their God.


Exodus 29:46
And they shall know that I am the LORD their God, that brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, that I may dwell among them: I am the LORD their God.


Leviticus 11:44
For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy:....


Leviticus 19:2
Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them, Ye shall be holy: for I the LORD your God am holy.


Leviticus 20:26
And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine.



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AS PER....

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1458987438/143#143

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Karnal, Re those O.T. punishments; All of those punishments which you quoted, applied to ancient Hebrew covenant breakers. And ONLY to Hebrew covenant breakers. AS PER.... The Hebrew nation was in covenant with their God. And those religious laws [and punishments] applied to members of the Hebrew nation, because they were 'in covenant' with their God. AS PER.... Exodus 19:8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD. Leviticus 20:22 Ye shall therefore keep all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them: that the land, whither I bring you to dwell therein, spue you not out. 23  And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them. .... .... 26  And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine.

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ISLAM makes no such qualification regarding homosexuals.

And EVERY moslem who understands his religion understands that.


What Normal Muslims Think - And Europe Fails to Understand  -------- >   goto 41 sec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYAcLudBbhg

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Homosexuals among the ancient Israelites, were to be put to death, ....because they had broken their covenant with their God, TO BE A HOLY PEOPLE.

Dunno why you are shouting.  It is clear that 'God' wanted poofs murdered.  Simple as that.  And that "God" is the same "God" who then went on to impregnate a married Virgin to spawn Jesus.

Great bloke that "God" fella is.

Aussie wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 7:03pm:

Quote: Homosexuals among the ancient Israelites, were to be put to death, ....because they had broken their covenant with their God, TO BE A HOLY PEOPLE. Dunno why you are shouting.  It is clear that 'God' wanted poofs murdered.  Simple as that.  And that "God" is the same "God" who then went on to impregnate a married Virgin to spawn Jesus. Great bloke that "God" fella is.

Oops.  Lisa will get upset with you, Aussie!   :o  8-)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 7:13pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 7:03pm: Quote: Homosexuals among the ancient Israelites, were to be put to death, ....because they had broken their covenant with their God, TO BE A HOLY PEOPLE. Dunno why you are shouting.  It is clear that 'God' wanted poofs murdered.  Simple as that.  And that "God" is the same "God" who then went on to impregnate a married Virgin to spawn Jesus. Great bloke that "God" fella is. Oops.  Lisa will get upset with you, Aussie!   :o  8-)

I guess she'll be along any time soon to debunk what I said by telling everyone that I am a nasty Muslim putting sheet on her goody "God."  She seems to think that is a rebuttal.

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 5:12pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 5:08pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 5:03pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:58pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:51pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:47pm: GordyL wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:39pm: Have you made even one on topic post about the actual video? Umm that would be a NO. BRIAN AHMED TROLL has been far too busy hiding behind oversized emoticons. Why? He doesn't like his lies being exposed. If you look through, he has posted nothing but utter lies in every post in this topic. Still waiting for your great exposition, Lisa.   ::) ::) ::) I've done that a few times. Still can't see it eh? Open your eyes wider then, troll! An exposition normally consists of evidence, Lisa, not just opinion which is all you've posted thus far.   Keep trying, it's amusing to watch you flounder around.  ::) ::) ::) Something tells me FD isn't going to be amused by you once he comes online. Keep that in mind. Still no evidence, Lisa.  Oh, dear, just an appeal to your big brother.  I quail in my boots.    ::) ::) ::)

Do you, pedant?


;D ;D ;D ;D

Aussie wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 7:03pm:

Quote: Homosexuals among the ancient Israelites, were to be put to death, ....because they had broken their covenant with their God, TO BE A HOLY PEOPLE. Dunno why you are shouting.  It is clear that 'God' wanted poofs murdered.  Simple as that.  And that "God" is the same "God" who then went on to impregnate a married Virgin to spawn Jesus. Great bloke that "God" fella is.

Allah and the god of the jews/christians is not the same thing.

Allah is a moon god, a minor pagan deity elevated to monotheistic status by an illiterate Arab merchant who had no idea about what he was talking about.


It is no accident that the crescent moon features prominently on every Islamic countries flag.

Frank wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 8:19pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 7:03pm: Quote: Homosexuals among the ancient Israelites, were to be put to death, ....because they had broken their covenant with their God, TO BE A HOLY PEOPLE. Dunno why you are shouting.  It is clear that 'God' wanted poofs murdered.  Simple as that.  And that "God" is the same "God" who then went on to impregnate a married Virgin to spawn Jesus. Great bloke that "God" fella is. Allah and the god of the jews/christians is not the same thing. Allah is a moon god, a minor pagan deity elevated to monotheistic status by an illiterate Arab merchant who had no idea about what he was talking about. It is no accident that the crescent moon features prominently on every Islamic countries flag.

Really?

I'm not talking about some Allah fella.  I'm talking about that "God" fella who impregnated the Virgin Wife of a hard working carpenter.  The same fella who told his devotees to murder poofs.  That fella.

Aussie wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 8:23pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 8:19pm: Aussie wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 7:03pm: Quote: Homosexuals among the ancient Israelites, were to be put to death, ....because they had broken their covenant with their God, TO BE A HOLY PEOPLE. Dunno why you are shouting.  It is clear that 'God' wanted poofs murdered.  Simple as that.  And that "God" is the same "God" who then went on to impregnate a married Virgin to spawn Jesus. Great bloke that "God" fella is. Allah and the god of the jews/christians is not the same thing. Allah is a moon god, a minor pagan deity elevated to monotheistic status by an illiterate Arab merchant who had no idea about what he was talking about. It is no accident that the crescent moon features prominently on every Islamic countries flag. Really? I'm not talking about some Allah fella.  I'm talking about that "God" fella who impregnated the Virgin Wife of a hard working carpenter.  The same fella who told his devotees to murder poofs.  That fella.

Being the bogan scholar that you are, you should have no difficulty referencing your assertion.

Are you serious?

Aussie wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 8:35pm:

Are you serious?

I knew you were talking through your arse.

Frank wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 8:37pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 8:35pm: Are you serious? I knew you were talking through your arse.

Your are right.  I am a bogan scholar.  How can I make it up to you, now?  I feel so bad and exposed.

Frank wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 8:37pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 8:35pm: Are you serious? I knew you were talking through your arse.

Frank, now you know why we call him Arssie. ;D

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 4:24pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:15pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:10pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 3:27pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 6:22pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 6:15pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 5:04pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:42pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:34pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:30pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:14pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:07pm: Fuzzball wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:44pm: Why do you assume his views are typical of Australian Muslims?   ::) Why do you 'assume' they aren't? Don't they all read the same comic, the Koran? I know they aren't 'cause I know many Muslims. So, don't all Christians read the same "comic, The Bible"?    Does not The Bible have exhortations to murder Gay people in it?   YES/NO   ::) ::) ::) NO! Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10.   ::) Quote: And unlike your bloody mere man Muhammed, our Son of God Jesus has commanded us to love everyone...INCLUDING OUR ENEMIES. Funny, that isn't the attitude displayed by the most vehement of Christians here, Lisa, now is it?  Haven't you bothered to read Christianity according to Moses, FD, Sprintcyclist, etc?  It's all about hate.    ::) Those Bible verses support what I'm saying. They contradict everything you say. Are you feeling a tad embarrassed now? And furthermore, I'm not responsible for how you perceive others who post on OzPol. I do however know that you know I am fair. And right now I am talking to you. You, me. One on one. Fair! Now, show me where the verses which YOU'VE POSTED tell Christians to murder gay people. Off you go..... Take it up with the Christians who like to quote them, along with the Old Testament's exhortations against Homosexuality, Lisa.  I am not responsible for their interpretation of their holy book.    ::) ::) For God's sake Brian, YOU posted these verses out of the New Testment...not me. And you did so as evidence that we Christians are taught to murder gay people just like you Muslims do. In essence, you ATTEMPTED TO PERVERT THESE VERSES IN THE NAME OF ISLAM by lying about what they stated. How about you apologize for being so disrespectful and then you can apologize for your blatant lying. And after that, how about you promise to never do it again. >:( Where's your apology "Brian"? You can apologize for the following : 1. YOU posted verses out of the New Testament as evidence that we Christians are taught to murder gay people just like you Muslims do. 2. You ATTEMPTED TO PERVERT THESE VERSES IN THE NAME OF ISLAM by lying about what they stated. They state nothing about murdering gay people at all. These are the verses YOU reckon support your claim that we Christians are like Muslims in that we believe gay people ought to be murdered : Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10. Where's your apology you lying deceitful troll! Up! Your blatant lies are staring at you right in the face!

Up!

Bottom line?

The verses of the New Testament of the Holy Bible which "Brian Ross" has volunteered as so called "evidence" that we Christians are just like him and his fellow Muslims ie that we believe gay people ought to be murdered .... is in fact a blatant lie.  Not one of the verses he quoted state what he claims.

He has been exposed for the revolting liar and fraud he is.

And for that reason, this troll has been posting large emoticons in an effort to deflect/distract others from seeing exactly what he is. A lying fraud!

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/122743/2332811-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Still waiting on your evidence that I was "lying" when I said what I said, Lisa.  Looking forward in fact to seeing it.   ::) ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 11:52pm:

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/122743/2332811-yawn_20smiley.jpg Still waiting on your evidence that I was "lying" when I said what I said, Lisa.  Looking forward in fact to seeing it.   ::) ::) ::)

When you answer that Lisa Jones, can you confirm that is that the large emoticon you are referring to?

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 11:52pm:

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/122743/2332811-yawn_20smiley.jpg Still waiting on your evidence that I was "lying" when I said what I said, Lisa.  Looking forward in fact to seeing it.   ::) ::) ::)

Open your eyes then Troll!

I've exposed you enough times about your revolting lies.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 10:55pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:24pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:15pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:10pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 3:27pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 6:22pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 6:15pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 5:04pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:42pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:34pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:30pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:14pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 4:07pm: Fuzzball wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 1:44pm: Why do you assume his views are typical of Australian Muslims?   ::) Why do you 'assume' they aren't? Don't they all read the same comic, the Koran? I know they aren't 'cause I know many Muslims. So, don't all Christians read the same "comic, The Bible"?    Does not The Bible have exhortations to murder Gay people in it?   YES/NO   ::) ::) ::) NO! Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10.   ::) Quote: And unlike your bloody mere man Muhammed, our Son of God Jesus has commanded us to love everyone...INCLUDING OUR ENEMIES. Funny, that isn't the attitude displayed by the most vehement of Christians here, Lisa, now is it?  Haven't you bothered to read Christianity according to Moses, FD, Sprintcyclist, etc?  It's all about hate.    ::) Those Bible verses support what I'm saying. They contradict everything you say. Are you feeling a tad embarrassed now? And furthermore, I'm not responsible for how you perceive others who post on OzPol. I do however know that you know I am fair. And right now I am talking to you. You, me. One on one. Fair! Now, show me where the verses which YOU'VE POSTED tell Christians to murder gay people. Off you go..... Take it up with the Christians who like to quote them, along with the Old Testament's exhortations against Homosexuality, Lisa.  I am not responsible for their interpretation of their holy book.    ::) ::) For God's sake Brian, YOU posted these verses out of the New Testment...not me. And you did so as evidence that we Christians are taught to murder gay people just like you Muslims do. In essence, you ATTEMPTED TO PERVERT THESE VERSES IN THE NAME OF ISLAM by lying about what they stated. How about you apologize for being so disrespectful and then you can apologize for your blatant lying. And after that, how about you promise to never do it again. >:( Where's your apology "Brian"? You can apologize for the following : 1. YOU posted verses out of the New Testament as evidence that we Christians are taught to murder gay people just like you Muslims do. 2. You ATTEMPTED TO PERVERT THESE VERSES IN THE NAME OF ISLAM by lying about what they stated. They state nothing about murdering gay people at all. These are the verses YOU reckon support your claim that we Christians are like Muslims in that we believe gay people ought to be murdered : Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10. Where's your apology you lying deceitful troll! Up! Your blatant lies are staring at you right in the face! Up! Bottom line? The verses of the New Testament of the Holy Bible which "Brian Ross" has volunteered as so called "evidence" that we Christians are just like him and his fellow Muslims ie that we believe gay people ought to be murdered .... is in fact a blatant lie.  Not one of the verses he quoted state what he claims. He has been exposed for the revolting liar and fraud he is. And for that reason, this troll has been posting large emoticons in an effort to deflect/distract others from seeing exactly what he is. A lying fraud!

Up! Just for the Troll!

GordyL wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 11:06am:

Why don't the left believe them? Agrees with: Stoning to death for adultery Beheading of journalists Doesn't want Hilary to be President because when she's having her period she may launch a nuclear strike https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrKyI7rOl68#action=share

Good grief!

And that revolting troll "Brian Ahmed Ross" seriously thinks he can post (WITH NON EXISTENT VERSES FROM THE NEW TESTMENT AS "EVIDENCE" MIND YOU)....that we Christians believe what he and his Muslim buddies believe...ie to murder gay people.

To be brutally honest, I don't know whether to call the Terrorist Hotline on this guy...now that I've seen that clip and connected Brian Ahmed Ross' s posts in connection with that clip.

I'm utterly disgusted and gobsmacked!

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 11:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 11:52pm: http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/122743/2332811-yawn_20smiley.jpg Still waiting on your evidence that I was "lying" when I said what I said, Lisa.  Looking forward in fact to seeing it.   ::) ::) ::) Open your eyes then Troll! I've exposed you enough times about your revolting lies.

Still waiting on your evidence that I was "lying" when I said what I said, Lisa.  Looking forward in fact to seeing it.   ::) ::) ::)

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 12:11am:

GordyL wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 11:06am: Why don't the left believe them? Agrees with: Stoning to death for adultery Beheading of journalists Doesn't want Hilary to be President because when she's having her period she may launch a nuclear strike https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrKyI7rOl68#action=share Good grief! And that revolting troll "Brian Ahmed Ross" seriously thinks he can post (WITH NON EXISTENT VERSES FROM THE NEW TESTMENT AS "EVIDENCE" MIND YOU)....that we Christians believe what he and his Muslim buddies believe...ie to murder gay people. To be brutally honest, I don't know whether to call the Terrorist Hotline on this guy...now that I've seen that clip and connected Brian Ahmed Ross' s posts in connection with that clip. I'm utterly disgusted and gobsmacked!

History of violence against LGBT people in the United States.

Lisa, the USA is nominally, at least, a Christian nation, with the overwhelming majority of it's population declaring themselves to be Christians.   It has a long history of such people attacking and killing LBGTQ people.   When someone declares that they are a, "Christian Soldier working for my Lord," and that God had, to find and kill lesbians and gay men (Ronald Gay, who entered a Gay bar in Virginia and killed Danny Overstreet, 43 years old, and severely injuring six others), where do you think he got his inspiration?

Pastor Donnie Romero

Stedfast Baptist Church, Ft. Worth, TX
endorses mass murder of gays

Pastor Roger Jiminez

Verity Baptist Church, Sacramento, CA
endorses mass murder of gays

Pastor Steven Anderson

Faithful Word Baptist Church
endorses mass murder of gays

Where do you think they get their justification to kill LBGT people from, Lisa?

Brazil, an even more openly devoted Christian nation than the USA reported that between 1980 and 2006 some 2,680 gay people were murdered in Brazil, the majority thought to have been killed because of their sexuality.  A gay, lesbian or transvestite is brutally murdered every two days due to homophobia, with a total of 130 in one year alone.
[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Brazil#Anti-LGBT_violence]Source[/url]   Where do you think they get their inspiration from?

I recommend that you actually read up about Significant acts of violence against LGBT people, before answering this post.   Numerous at least nominally Christian nations have had crimes committed against LGBT people, usually by Christian people.   Where do you think they get their inspiration from?   ::) ::) ::)

Brian couldn't be bothered researching the countries that as part of their penal code kill homosexuals cos Brian has some sort of thing where he cannot criticise other countries. 

Instead he likes to point out that in countries who do not legally kill gayers, that some groups so in fact kill gayers.  That these groups are acting illegally and will be punished if proven eludes Brian. 

Brian is so intent on demonstrating an equivalency he is totally oblivious to the the fact that the safest place to be an out and proud gayer is in a western secular country.

Meanwhile ISIS throws gayers of high buildings and stones them where they land and Brian cannot criticise. 

It's culture innit.   

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 1:28am:

History of violence against LGBT people in the United States. Lisa, the USA is nominally, at least, a Christian nation, with the overwhelming majority of it's population declaring themselves to be Christians.   It has a long history of such people attacking and killing LBGTQ people.   When someone declares that they are a, "Christian Soldier working for my Lord," and that God had, to find and kill lesbians and gay men (Ronald Gay, who entered a Gay bar in Virginia and killed Danny Overstreet, 43 years old, and severely injuring six others), where do you think he got his inspiration? Pastor Donnie Romero Stedfast Baptist Church, Ft. Worth, TX endorses mass murder of gays Pastor Roger Jiminez Verity Baptist Church, Sacramento, CA endorses mass murder of gays Pastor Steven Anderson Faithful Word Baptist Church endorses mass murder of gays Where do you think they get their justification to kill LBGT people from, Lisa? Brazil, an even more openly devoted Christian nation than the USA reported that between 1980 and 2006 some 2,680 gay people were murdered in Brazil, the majority thought to have been killed because of their sexuality.  A gay, lesbian or transvestite is brutally murdered every two days due to homophobia, with a total of 130 in one year alone. [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Brazil#Anti-LGBT_violence]Source[/url]   Where do you think they get their inspiration from? I recommend that you actually read up about Significant acts of violence against LGBT people, before answering this post.   Numerous at least nominally Christian nations have had crimes committed against LGBT people, usually by Christian people.   Where do you think they get their inspiration from?   ::) ::) ::)

Please don't bother giving me links which have absolutely nothing to do with our conversation.

And that includes verses which you've cited from the New Testament and which you FALSELY claim support the murder of gay people  in the same way Islam does.

And whilst here, I'd appreciate an apology regarding those verses which you falsely cited.

I don't think you realize just how impt my Christian faith and the Holy Bible is to me. I don't appreciate seeing it kicked around and abused in any way.

You may see me joke around in other topics on OzPol...but believe you me, I take God very seriously.

So be very careful regarding what you say about Him and His Son Jesus.

Now...if you wish to chat to me here :

1. That's fine by me.

2. It has to be genuine and sincere.

3. If anyone else creeps in to hijack this topic....ignore!

Got it?

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 1:42am:

Brian couldn't be bothered researching the countries that as part of their penal code kill homosexuals cos Brian has some sort of thing where he cannot criticise other countries.  Instead he likes to point out that in countries who do not legally kill gayers, that some groups so in fact kill gayers.  That these groups are acting illegally and will be punished if proven eludes Brian.  Brian is so intent on demonstrating an equivalency he is totally oblivious to the the fact that the safest place to be an out and proud gayer is in a western secular country. Meanwhile ISIS throws gayers of high buildings and stones them where they land and Brian cannot criticise.  It's culture innit.

Could be "Nicole".