Shorty is on ABC 24 right now -

he has admitted defeat & wishes Turnbull well.

For some reason I don't mind turnbull -- yet

but as to the rest of them -- hope it's so bad, 24/7, that they fight each other to be tossed in mental homes as their only means of escape

Took him long enough. Now it's time for the Federal government to prosecute the QLD branch of the ALP for those disgraceful, fraudulent Medicare text messages.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 1:34pm:

Took him long enough. Now it's time for the Federal government to prosecute the QLD branch of the ALP for those disgraceful, fraudulent Medicare text messages.

Yeahhhhh


a public trial.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 1:34pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 1:34pm: Took him long enough. Now it's time for the Federal government to prosecute the QLD branch of the ALP for those disgraceful, fraudulent Medicare text messages. Yeahhhhh a public trial.

And free seats

free air fares to the venue

and popcorn

and funny hats

(hope there'll be hangings and public floggings in the stocks, dry-bread rations, knee capping, etc.  Let's take the kids  [smiley=laugh.gif] )

Haven't seen Leftwhinger much. Remember that dope claiming months and months ago that the ALP would romp in? HAHAHAHA!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 1:39pm:

Haven't seen Leftwhinger much. Remember that dope claiming months and months ago that the ALP would romp in? HAHAHAHA!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

bloody hell

you mean you follow insane political parties as if they were football teams?

you're getting a hard-on because 'your team' 'won' ?

Who gave you the vote

And they wonder why I support Voluntary Euthanasia AND a swiftly employed Eugenics project

PZ547 wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 1:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 1:34pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 1:34pm: Took him long enough. Now it's time for the Federal government to prosecute the QLD branch of the ALP for those disgraceful, fraudulent Medicare text messages. Yeahhhhh a public trial. And free seats free air fares to the venue and popcorn and funny hats (hope there'll be hangings and public floggings in the stocks, dry-bread rations, knee capping, etc.  Let's take the kids  [smiley=laugh.gif] )

What about a guillotine?

Bobby. wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 2:00pm:

PZ547 wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 1:37pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 1:34pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 1:34pm: Took him long enough. Now it's time for the Federal government to prosecute the QLD branch of the ALP for those disgraceful, fraudulent Medicare text messages. Yeahhhhh a public trial. And free seats free air fares to the venue and popcorn and funny hats (hope there'll be hangings and public floggings in the stocks, dry-bread rations, knee capping, etc.  Let's take the kids  [smiley=laugh.gif] ) What about a guillotine?

Well done, Sir Bob

I would have included one, but I wasn't sure how to spell it

but fair enough, one of those too

and then we can resurrect Aztec/Mayan football

Bring the kids. Show 'em how it's done.  Fun for all.  Merry go rounds, fairy floss, cake stalls and lots of pollie blud

(I'm serious.  They all need a damn good thrashing) Basil Fawlty smiley needs to be here

PZ547 wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 2:05pm:

Well done, Sir Bob I would have included one, but I wasn't sure how to spell it but fair enough, one of those too and then we can resurrect Aztec/Mayan football Bring the kids. Show 'em how it's done.  Fun for all.  Merry go rounds, fairy floss, cake stalls and lots of pollie blud (I'm serious.  They all need a damn good thrashing) Basil Fawlty smiley needs to be here

The French knew what to do:

http://modernnotion.com/e50-responsive/8953/750/480.jpg

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 1:34pm:

Took him long enough. Now it's time for the Federal government to prosecute the QLD branch of the ALP for those disgraceful, fraudulent Medicare text messages.

I legitimately can't think of a single Coalition campaign that wasn't based on lies, fear or a meaningless three word slogan.

Not a single one. Yet when Labor say the truth (Libs plan on the privatization of healthcare through PHI) it's a "scare campaign".

Liberals shown to be pathological liars and hypocrits once again.

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 2:08pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 1:34pm: Took him long enough. Now it's time for the Federal government to prosecute the QLD branch of the ALP for those disgraceful, fraudulent Medicare text messages. I legitimately can't think of a single Coalition campaign that wasn't based on lies, fear or a meaningless three word slogan. Not a single one. Yet when Labor say the truth (Libs plan on the privatization of healthcare through PHI) it's a "scare campaign". Liberals shown to be pathological liars and hypocrits once again.

You do have a good point:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAHNXdHai0g

I can't wait for all those questions in parliament.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 1:34pm:

Took him long enough. Now it's time for the Federal government to prosecute the QLD branch of the ALP for those disgraceful, fraudulent Medicare text messages.

How were they fraudulent?

Be specific.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 2:28pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 1:34pm: Took him long enough. Now it's time for the Federal government to prosecute the QLD branch of the ALP for those disgraceful, fraudulent Medicare text messages. How were they fraudulent? Be specific.

You already know the answer.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 2:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:28pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 1:34pm: Took him long enough. Now it's time for the Federal government to prosecute the QLD branch of the ALP for those disgraceful, fraudulent Medicare text messages. How were they fraudulent? Be specific. You already know the answer.

Nobody has been able to give an answer.

How were they fraudulent, Booby?

Telling the truth through text or carrier pigeon not a crime- not fraudulent.  R-whingers are just a bit slow, as we all know.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 2:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:28pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 1:34pm: Took him long enough. Now it's time for the Federal government to prosecute the QLD branch of the ALP for those disgraceful, fraudulent Medicare text messages. How were they fraudulent? Be specific. You already know the answer. Nobody has been able to give an answer. How were they fraudulent, Booby?

This wasn't a schoolboy prank where one person sent another a fake message.

This is about perhaps millions of SMS  messages being paid for & sent out.
How did they get all the phone numbers?
Where did the money to pay for all that come from?
Who devised the plan?
Who invented the false text?
Who ordered it?

Bobby. wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 2:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:32pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:28pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 1:34pm: Took him long enough. Now it's time for the Federal government to prosecute the QLD branch of the ALP for those disgraceful, fraudulent Medicare text messages. How were they fraudulent? Be specific. You already know the answer. Nobody has been able to give an answer. How were they fraudulent, Booby? This wasn't a schoolboy prank where one person sent another a fake message. This is about perhaps millions of SMS  messages being paid for & sent out. How did they get all the phone numbers? Where did the money to pay for all that come from? Who devised the plan? Who invented the false text? Who ordered it?

Tell you what worries me more is reports of actual people ringing elderly voters and telling their Medicare benefits would end if they voted LNP.

I get that both sides use scare tactics  but really, scaring dear old ladies on the phone.

Shorten crawling to Turnbull, wants common ground, bipartisanship .... and electronic voting, he's crying because vote count took too long - big sook

Bobby. wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 2:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:32pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:28pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 1:34pm: Took him long enough. Now it's time for the Federal government to prosecute the QLD branch of the ALP for those disgraceful, fraudulent Medicare text messages. How were they fraudulent? Be specific. You already know the answer. Nobody has been able to give an answer. How were they fraudulent, Booby? This wasn't a schoolboy prank where one person sent another a fake message. This is about perhaps millions of SMS  messages being paid for & sent out. How did they get all the phone numbers? Where did the money to pay for all that come from? Who devised the plan? Who invented the false text? Who ordered it?

The money came from the Labor Party, and there's nothing "false" about the text.

There is nothing to see here, Booby.

Dustwun wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 2:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:38pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:32pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:28pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 1:34pm: Took him long enough. Now it's time for the Federal government to prosecute the QLD branch of the ALP for those disgraceful, fraudulent Medicare text messages. How were they fraudulent? Be specific. You already know the answer. Nobody has been able to give an answer. How were they fraudulent, Booby? This wasn't a schoolboy prank where one person sent another a fake message. This is about perhaps millions of SMS  messages being paid for & sent out. How did they get all the phone numbers? Where did the money to pay for all that come from? Who devised the plan? Who invented the false text? Who ordered it? Tell you what worries me more is reports of actual people ringing elderly voters and telling their Medicare benefits would end if they voted LNP. I get that both sides use scare tactics  but really, scaring dear old ladies on the phone.

I know an old lady who voted Labor because she was scared about medicare.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 2:44pm:

Dustwun wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:41pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:38pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:32pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:28pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 1:34pm: Took him long enough. Now it's time for the Federal government to prosecute the QLD branch of the ALP for those disgraceful, fraudulent Medicare text messages. How were they fraudulent? Be specific. You already know the answer. Nobody has been able to give an answer. How were they fraudulent, Booby? This wasn't a schoolboy prank where one person sent another a fake message. This is about perhaps millions of SMS  messages being paid for & sent out. How did they get all the phone numbers? Where did the money to pay for all that come from? Who devised the plan? Who invented the false text? Who ordered it? Tell you what worries me more is reports of actual people ringing elderly voters and telling their Medicare benefits would end if they voted LNP. I get that both sides use scare tactics  but really, scaring dear old ladies on the phone. I know an old lady who voted Labor because she was scared about medicare.

Good on her.

She did the right thing.

Agnes wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 2:37pm:

Telling the truth through text or carrier pigeon not a crime- not fraudulent.  R-whingers are just a bit slow, as we all know.

We put up the notion that perhaps names and phone numbers were obtained from Parakeelia and then put into an autodialer.  After all, Parakeelia is a data mining company - albeit owned by the Liberal Party - that collects this information and most probably sells it on

The large greek lady from Hurstville thinks "parakeelia" is greek for ordering things as in    "Can I have fires with my souvaliki and fat burger in addition to what I have on my parakeelia?"

But in all seriousness, these lists and numbers are readily available from data mining companies - for a price - and the message was definately  not fraudulent nor untrue.  Misleading maybe but fare better than fake how to vote cards and telling people that Labor supported a mosque in their electorate. Now THAT was below the belt

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 2:47pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:44pm: Dustwun wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:41pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:38pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:32pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:28pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 1:34pm: Took him long enough. Now it's time for the Federal government to prosecute the QLD branch of the ALP for those disgraceful, fraudulent Medicare text messages. How were they fraudulent? Be specific. You already know the answer. Nobody has been able to give an answer. How were they fraudulent, Booby? This wasn't a schoolboy prank where one person sent another a fake message. This is about perhaps millions of SMS  messages being paid for & sent out. How did they get all the phone numbers? Where did the money to pay for all that come from? Who devised the plan? Who invented the false text? Who ordered it? Tell you what worries me more is reports of actual people ringing elderly voters and telling their Medicare benefits would end if they voted LNP. I get that both sides use scare tactics  but really, scaring dear old ladies on the phone. I know an old lady who voted Labor because she was scared about medicare. Good on her. She did the right thing.

Yeah, a bit like back in the old days when people willingly joined the union to stave off a broken arm.  :D :D :D :D :D

Bias_2012 wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 2:42pm:

Shorten crawling to Turnbull, wants common ground, bipartisanship .... and electronic voting, he's crying because vote count took too long - big sook

  he is right on all counts though

Dustwun wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 2:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:38pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:32pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:28pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 1:34pm: Took him long enough. Now it's time for the Federal government to prosecute the QLD branch of the ALP for those disgraceful, fraudulent Medicare text messages. How were they fraudulent? Be specific. You already know the answer. Nobody has been able to give an answer. How were they fraudulent, Booby? This wasn't a schoolboy prank where one person sent another a fake message. This is about perhaps millions of SMS  messages being paid for & sent out. How did they get all the phone numbers? Where did the money to pay for all that come from? Who devised the plan? Who invented the false text? Who ordered it? Tell you what worries me more is reports of actual people ringing elderly voters and telling their Medicare benefits would end if they voted LNP. I get that both sides use scare tactics  but really, scaring dear old ladies on the phone.

  Highlights how important the issue is- elderly pp NEED Medicare the most

Dustwun wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 2:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:47pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:44pm: Dustwun wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:41pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:38pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:32pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:28pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 1:34pm: Took him long enough. Now it's time for the Federal government to prosecute the QLD branch of the ALP for those disgraceful, fraudulent Medicare text messages. How were they fraudulent? Be specific. You already know the answer. Nobody has been able to give an answer. How were they fraudulent, Booby? This wasn't a schoolboy prank where one person sent another a fake message. This is about perhaps millions of SMS  messages being paid for & sent out. How did they get all the phone numbers? Where did the money to pay for all that come from? Who devised the plan? Who invented the false text? Who ordered it? Tell you what worries me more is reports of actual people ringing elderly voters and telling their Medicare benefits would end if they voted LNP. I get that both sides use scare tactics  but really, scaring dear old ladies on the phone. I know an old lady who voted Labor because she was scared about medicare. Good on her. She did the right thing. Yeah, a bit like back in the old days when people willingly joined the union to stave off a broken arm.  :D :D :D :D :D

Nothing like it.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 3:05pm:

Dustwun wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:59pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:47pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:44pm: Dustwun wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:41pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:38pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:32pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:28pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 1:34pm: Took him long enough. Now it's time for the Federal government to prosecute the QLD branch of the ALP for those disgraceful, fraudulent Medicare text messages. How were they fraudulent? Be specific. You already know the answer. Nobody has been able to give an answer. How were they fraudulent, Booby? This wasn't a schoolboy prank where one person sent another a fake message. This is about perhaps millions of SMS  messages being paid for & sent out. How did they get all the phone numbers? Where did the money to pay for all that come from? Who devised the plan? Who invented the false text? Who ordered it? Tell you what worries me more is reports of actual people ringing elderly voters and telling their Medicare benefits would end if they voted LNP. I get that both sides use scare tactics  but really, scaring dear old ladies on the phone. I know an old lady who voted Labor because she was scared about medicare. Good on her. She did the right thing. Yeah, a bit like back in the old days when people willingly joined the union to stave off a broken arm.  :D :D :D :D :D Nothing like it.

Phoning an old dear late at night and scaring them is a bit off, no?

Dustwun wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 3:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 3:05pm: Dustwun wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:59pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:47pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:44pm: Dustwun wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:41pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:38pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:32pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:28pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 1:34pm: Took him long enough. Now it's time for the Federal government to prosecute the QLD branch of the ALP for those disgraceful, fraudulent Medicare text messages. How were they fraudulent? Be specific. You already know the answer. Nobody has been able to give an answer. How were they fraudulent, Booby? This wasn't a schoolboy prank where one person sent another a fake message. This is about perhaps millions of SMS  messages being paid for & sent out. How did they get all the phone numbers? Where did the money to pay for all that come from? Who devised the plan? Who invented the false text? Who ordered it? Tell you what worries me more is reports of actual people ringing elderly voters and telling their Medicare benefits would end if they voted LNP. I get that both sides use scare tactics  but really, scaring dear old ladies on the phone. I know an old lady who voted Labor because she was scared about medicare. Good on her. She did the right thing. Yeah, a bit like back in the old days when people willingly joined the union to stave off a broken arm.  :D :D :D :D :D Nothing like it. Phoning an old dear late at night and scaring them is a bit off, no?

Yes.

Is that what happened?

Bias_2012 wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 2:42pm:

Shorten crawling to Turnbull, wants common ground, bipartisanship .... and electronic voting, he's crying because vote count took too long - big sook

Did Turnbull say that?


Sure is a sook!  ;D

https://www.crikey.com.au/2016/06/20/will-liberals-privatise-medicare/

All aboard the ghost train for Labor's Mediscare campaign

Labor's warnings of the privatisation of Medicare hold no water but play on voter fears about the Coalition

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-21/shepherd-labors-medicare-claims-a-gross-misrepresentation/7530884

Election 2016: Medicare privatisation claims a 'gross misrepresentation', Tony Shepherd says

The businessman who chaired the Coalition's 2013 Commission of Audit says the Opposition's claims that the Government plans to privatise Medicare are a "gross misrepresentation".

Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 3:09pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:42pm: Shorten crawling to Turnbull, wants common ground, bipartisanship .... and electronic voting, he's crying because vote count took too long - big sook Did Turnbull say that? Sure is a sook!  ;D

Turnbull's saying that now. He as well, also wants electronic voting

They're the same peas in a pod, those parties

Bias_2012 wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 3:14pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 3:09pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:42pm: Shorten crawling to Turnbull, wants common ground, bipartisanship .... and electronic voting, he's crying because vote count took too long - big sook Did Turnbull say that? Sure is a sook!  ;D Turnbull's saying that now. He as well, also wants electronic voting They're the same peas in a pod, those parties

We don't want electronic voting.

We should have a vote on it.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 3:09pm:

Dustwun wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 3:07pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 3:05pm: Dustwun wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:59pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:47pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:44pm: Dustwun wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:41pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:38pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:32pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:28pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 1:34pm: Took him long enough. Now it's time for the Federal government to prosecute the QLD branch of the ALP for those disgraceful, fraudulent Medicare text messages. How were they fraudulent? Be specific. You already know the answer. Nobody has been able to give an answer. How were they fraudulent, Booby? This wasn't a schoolboy prank where one person sent another a fake message. This is about perhaps millions of SMS  messages being paid for & sent out. How did they get all the phone numbers? Where did the money to pay for all that come from? Who devised the plan? Who invented the false text? Who ordered it? Tell you what worries me more is reports of actual people ringing elderly voters and telling their Medicare benefits would end if they voted LNP. I get that both sides use scare tactics  but really, scaring dear old ladies on the phone. I know an old lady who voted Labor because she was scared about medicare. Good on her. She did the right thing. Yeah, a bit like back in the old days when people willingly joined the union to stave off a broken arm.  :D :D :D :D :D Nothing like it. Phoning an old dear late at night and scaring them is a bit off, no? Yes. Is that what happened?

Heard a few reports about it. Does it surprise you? Pollies on both sides are C words.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 2:44pm:

Dustwun wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:41pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:38pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:32pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:28pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 1:34pm: Took him long enough. Now it's time for the Federal government to prosecute the QLD branch of the ALP for those disgraceful, fraudulent Medicare text messages. How were they fraudulent? Be specific. You already know the answer. Nobody has been able to give an answer. How were they fraudulent, Booby? This wasn't a schoolboy prank where one person sent another a fake message. This is about perhaps millions of SMS  messages being paid for & sent out. How did they get all the phone numbers? Where did the money to pay for all that come from? Who devised the plan? Who invented the false text? Who ordered it? Tell you what worries me more is reports of actual people ringing elderly voters and telling their Medicare benefits would end if they voted LNP. I get that both sides use scare tactics  but really, scaring dear old ladies on the phone. I know an old lady who voted Labor because she was scared about medicare.

Of course you do....
The rest is bullsh!t.

Dustwun wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 3:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 3:09pm: Dustwun wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 3:07pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 3:05pm: Dustwun wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:59pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:47pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:44pm: Dustwun wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:41pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:38pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:32pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:28pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 1:34pm: Took him long enough. Now it's time for the Federal government to prosecute the QLD branch of the ALP for those disgraceful, fraudulent Medicare text messages. How were they fraudulent? Be specific. You already know the answer. Nobody has been able to give an answer. How were they fraudulent, Booby? This wasn't a schoolboy prank where one person sent another a fake message. This is about perhaps millions of SMS  messages being paid for & sent out. How did they get all the phone numbers? Where did the money to pay for all that come from? Who devised the plan? Who invented the false text? Who ordered it? Tell you what worries me more is reports of actual people ringing elderly voters and telling their Medicare benefits would end if they voted LNP. I get that both sides use scare tactics  but really, scaring dear old ladies on the phone. I know an old lady who voted Labor because she was scared about medicare. Good on her. She did the right thing. Yeah, a bit like back in the old days when people willingly joined the union to stave off a broken arm.  :D :D :D :D :D Nothing like it. Phoning an old dear late at night and scaring them is a bit off, no? Yes. Is that what happened? Heard a few reports about it. Does it surprise you? Pollies on both sides are C words.

Many are C words - no doubt about that.

From all sides of politics.

I might have missed it and surely the ABC wouldn't be biased during an election, but did the FACT CHECK UNIT CHECK the on the Mediscare Claims?
I mean they seemed to be checking on everything else.

Grendel wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 3:23pm:

I might have missed it and surely the ABC wouldn't be biased during an election, but did the FACT CHECK UNIT CHECK the on the Mediscare Claims? I mean they seemed to be checking on everything else.

What claims?

Be specific.

The principal one was the attempt to deceive voters that they had received a message from Medicare.
No argument or correspondence will be entered into on this matter. It is beyond dispute.

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 3:40pm:

The principal one was the attempt to deceive voters that they had received a message from Medicare. No argument or correspondence will be entered into on this matter. It is beyond dispute.

The message I've seen doesn't claim to come from Medicare.

https://www.pedestrian.tv/images/article/2016/07/03/meditext1-619-386.png

If there is another one that I haven't seen, could you post a pic of it?

Grendel wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 3:23pm:

but did the FACT CHECK UNIT CHECK the on the Mediscare Claims?

fact check has been shut down due to funding cuts.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 3:28pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 3:23pm: I might have missed it and surely the ABC wouldn't be biased during an election, but did the FACT CHECK UNIT CHECK the on the Mediscare Claims? I mean they seemed to be checking on everything else. What claims? Be specific.

Oh look Gweggy's caught dementia...
get real Sunshine. :D
The one that the AMA president said was a lie.

Take Sad Sack Shorty out with the garbage.

And the dumb Death Wish Labor party are gunna KEEP this drongo as their "LEADER"!!!!!!

Gee the Lefties must be really impressed that the union controlled puppet that conned and dudded them and has put their treasured WELFARE in GRAVE RISK by losing the election has not been carried out in a box.

Busty Billy will guarantee the Labor Party will remain in Opposition for at least the next 20 years or until Busty Billy is assassinated.

Hear that 2nd hand leaky Asylum boats are going real cheap up north over the pond.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 2:47pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:44pm: Dustwun wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:41pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:38pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:32pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:28pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 1:34pm: Took him long enough. Now it's time for the Federal government to prosecute the QLD branch of the ALP for those disgraceful, fraudulent Medicare text messages. How were they fraudulent? Be specific. You already know the answer. Nobody has been able to give an answer. How were they fraudulent, Booby? This wasn't a schoolboy prank where one person sent another a fake message. This is about perhaps millions of SMS  messages being paid for & sent out. How did they get all the phone numbers? Where did the money to pay for all that come from? Who devised the plan? Who invented the false text? Who ordered it? Tell you what worries me more is reports of actual people ringing elderly voters and telling their Medicare benefits would end if they voted LNP. I get that both sides use scare tactics  but really, scaring dear old ladies on the phone. I know an old lady who voted Labor because she was scared about medicare. Good on her. She did the right thing.

Rubbish - she was scared by fraudulent means.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 5:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:47pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:44pm: Dustwun wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:41pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:38pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:32pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 2:28pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 1:34pm: Took him long enough. Now it's time for the Federal government to prosecute the QLD branch of the ALP for those disgraceful, fraudulent Medicare text messages. How were they fraudulent? Be specific. You already know the answer. Nobody has been able to give an answer. How were they fraudulent, Booby? This wasn't a schoolboy prank where one person sent another a fake message. This is about perhaps millions of SMS  messages being paid for & sent out. How did they get all the phone numbers? Where did the money to pay for all that come from? Who devised the plan? Who invented the false text? Who ordered it? Tell you what worries me more is reports of actual people ringing elderly voters and telling their Medicare benefits would end if they voted LNP. I get that both sides use scare tactics  but really, scaring dear old ladies on the phone. I know an old lady who voted Labor because she was scared about medicare. Good on her. She did the right thing. Rubbish - she was scared by fraudulent means.

What was fraudulent, Booby?

A thousand words saved

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A claim appearing to come from medicare with a false message.
The Liberals only wanted to streamline the computer services
using the skills of private companies - the only ones who  who can provide such a service.
There were no plans to wreck Medicare - it did not need to be saved -
only made better.

https://www.pedestrian.tv/images/article/2016/07/03/meditext1-619-386.png

Bobby. wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

A claim appearing to come from medicare with a false message. The Liberals only wanted to streamline the computer services using the skills of private companies - the only ones who  who can provide such a service. There were no plans to wreck Medicare - it did not need to be saved - only made better. https://www.pedestrian.tv/images/article/2016/07/03/meditext1-619-386.png

It doesn't appear to be coming from Medicare, and the message isn't false.

No fraud.

Sorry, Booby.

I cannot imagine Bil Shorten being a 'good loser' and trying to improve Aust over the next 3 years.

That is not his history.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 6:23pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 6:19pm: A claim appearing to come from medicare with a false message. The Liberals only wanted to streamline the computer services using the skills of private companies - the only ones who  who can provide such a service. There were no plans to wreck Medicare - it did not need to be saved - only made better. https://www.pedestrian.tv/images/article/2016/07/03/meditext1-619-386.png It doesn't appear to be coming from Medicare, and the message isn't false. No fraud. Sorry, sir  Bobby.

Where Medicare appears is where the sender normally appears.
That's fraudulent.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 6:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 6:23pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 6:19pm: A claim appearing to come from medicare with a false message. The Liberals only wanted to streamline the computer services using the skills of private companies - the only ones who  who can provide such a service. There were no plans to wreck Medicare - it did not need to be saved - only made better. https://www.pedestrian.tv/images/article/2016/07/03/meditext1-619-386.png It doesn't appear to be coming from Medicare, and the message isn't false. No fraud. Sorry, sir  Bobby. Where Medicare appears is where the sender normally appears. That's fraudulent.

no, where Medicare is is where the subject appears. The sender is only visible before you open the message. At least that's how my phone works .

John Smith wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 6:40pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 6:37pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 6:23pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 6:19pm: A claim appearing to come from medicare with a false message. The Liberals only wanted to streamline the computer services using the skills of private companies - the only ones who  who can provide such a service. There were no plans to wreck Medicare - it did not need to be saved - only made better. https://www.pedestrian.tv/images/article/2016/07/03/meditext1-619-386.png It doesn't appear to be coming from Medicare, and the message isn't false. No fraud. Sorry, sir  Bobby. Where Medicare appears is where the sender normally appears. That's fraudulent. no, where Medicare is is where the subject appears. The sender is only visible before you open the message. At least that's how my phone works .

Not on my mobile.
That's where the sender appears & the time as per the pic.

Well what else could the crummy little creep do ?

Will Shorty ever admit that it was HE who won the election for Malcolm ?

If the Labor Caucus had hurled Shorty into the rubbish tip years ago and plugged Albo Sneezy in then Labor probably would have won.

Everyone has known for years now that Shorty is not the full bottle and is simply unelectable because his boobs make voters feel confused.

Shorty must have buckets of dirt on the Union Bosses to be able to blackmail them into letting him stay as the hopeless Labor "leader".

Bobby. wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 6:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 6:23pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 6:19pm: A claim appearing to come from medicare with a false message. The Liberals only wanted to streamline the computer services using the skills of private companies - the only ones who  who can provide such a service. There were no plans to wreck Medicare - it did not need to be saved - only made better. https://www.pedestrian.tv/images/article/2016/07/03/meditext1-619-386.png It doesn't appear to be coming from Medicare, and the message isn't false. No fraud. Sorry, sir  Bobby. Where Medicare appears is where the sender normally appears. That's fraudulent.

No, that's the subject.

The subject of the SMS was Medicare.

Thus, no fraud.

Give it up. Booby: nothing will come of this.

Wonder if Shorty will do the right thing and resign ?

juliar wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:09pm:

Wonder if Shorty will do the right thing and resign ?

No way - he will try to disrupt our democracy so we'll all have
to vote again - so that he can win -
or so he thinks.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 6:23pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 6:19pm: A claim appearing to come from medicare with a false message. The Liberals only wanted to streamline the computer services using the skills of private companies - the only ones who  who can provide such a service. There were no plans to wreck Medicare - it did not need to be saved - only made better. https://www.pedestrian.tv/images/article/2016/07/03/meditext1-619-386.png It doesn't appear to be coming from Medicare, and the message isn't false. No fraud. Sorry, Booby.

It came up as the sender = Medicare on all our mobiles.

My God, why do you think we're still so angry about it here???

My husband in particular who ALWAYS VOTES LABOR and who voted Liberal for the 1st time in his life in the last Federal election in protest.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 6:23pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 6:19pm: A claim appearing to come from medicare with a false message. The Liberals only wanted to streamline the computer services using the skills of private companies - the only ones who  who can provide such a service. There were no plans to wreck Medicare - it did not need to be saved - only made better. https://www.pedestrian.tv/images/article/2016/07/03/meditext1-619-386.png It doesn't appear to be coming from Medicare, and the message isn't false. No fraud. Sorry, Booby. It came up as the sender = Medicare on all our mobiles. My God, why do you think we're still so angry about it here??? My husband in particular who ALWAYS VOTES LABOR and who voted Liberal for the 1st time in his life in the last Federal election in protest.

Don't worry Lisa,
there will be a trial & Shorty will at least have to answer some hard questions.

Quote:

It came up as the sender = Medicare on all our mobiles.

So....show us the exact text which came up on all four of these phones.


Quote:

My God, why do you think we're still so angry about it here???

Because there is nothing else in your life to get angry about?


Quote:

My husband in particular who ALWAYS VOTES LABOR and who voted Liberal for the 1st time in his life in the last Federal election in protest.

I should care?  If so, why?

I love how no one here has still explained how the Libs aren't actually out to privatize healthcare in Australia.

Crying over "Privatizing medicare" is just semantics, Healthcare under the Liberals is moving closer and closer to a user pays system. Medicare = Healthcare. Is it still false to say medicare has been privatized when the Libs plan of completely gutting medicare and forcing people onto PHI? How do you privatize medicare in any other way?

Then again - this guy should be on trial too:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAHNXdHai0g

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 6:23pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 6:19pm: A claim appearing to come from medicare with a false message. The Liberals only wanted to streamline the computer services using the skills of private companies - the only ones who  who can provide such a service. There were no plans to wreck Medicare - it did not need to be saved - only made better. https://www.pedestrian.tv/images/article/2016/07/03/meditext1-619-386.png It doesn't appear to be coming from Medicare, and the message isn't false. No fraud. Sorry, Booby. It came up as the sender = Medicare on all our mobiles. My God, why do you think we're still so angry about it here??? My husband in particular who ALWAYS VOTES LABOR and who voted Liberal for the 1st time in his life in the last Federal election in protest.

Don't worry Lisa,
there will be a trial & Shorty will at least have to answer some hard questions.

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:31pm:

I love how no one here has still explained how the Libs aren't actually out to privatize healthcare in Australia. Crying over "Privatizing medicare" is just semantics, Healthcare under the Liberals is moving closer and closer to a user pays system. Medicare = Healthcare. Is it still false to say medicare has been privatized when the Libs plan of completely gutting medicare and forcing people onto PHI? How do you privatize medicare in any other way?

I know that I was out of pocket by a lot of money last year
even though I had private basic hospital cover & medicare.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:27pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:24pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 6:23pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 6:19pm: A claim appearing to come from medicare with a false message. The Liberals only wanted to streamline the computer services using the skills of private companies - the only ones who  who can provide such a service. There were no plans to wreck Medicare - it did not need to be saved - only made better. https://www.pedestrian.tv/images/article/2016/07/03/meditext1-619-386.png It doesn't appear to be coming from Medicare, and the message isn't false. No fraud. Sorry, Booby. It came up as the sender = Medicare on all our mobiles. My God, why do you think we're still so angry about it here??? My husband in particular who ALWAYS VOTES LABOR and who voted Liberal for the 1st time in his life in the last Federal election in protest. Don't worry Lisa, there will be a trial & Shorty will at least have to answer some hard questions.

He is a distasteful union thug.

He needs to go. Post haste.

My husband reckons that he was like that even at Uni. He was not liked by many Laborites there.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 6:23pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 6:19pm: A claim appearing to come from medicare with a false message. The Liberals only wanted to streamline the computer services using the skills of private companies - the only ones who  who can provide such a service. There were no plans to wreck Medicare - it did not need to be saved - only made better. https://www.pedestrian.tv/images/article/2016/07/03/meditext1-619-386.png It doesn't appear to be coming from Medicare, and the message isn't false. No fraud. Sorry, Booby. It came up as the sender = Medicare on all our mobiles. My God, why do you think we're still so angry about it here??? My husband in particular who ALWAYS VOTES LABOR and who voted Liberal for the 1st time in his life in the last Federal election in protest.

Up for Greg!

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:31pm:

I love how no one here has still explained how the Libs aren't actually out to privatize healthcare in Australia. Crying over "Privatizing medicare" is just semantics, Healthcare under the Liberals is moving closer and closer to a user pays system. Medicare = Healthcare. Is it still false to say medicare has been privatized when the Libs plan of completely gutting medicare and forcing people onto PHI? How do you privatize medicare in any other way?

I think medicare loses money.
Probably hard to sell it, if it does lose money

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:31pm:

I love how no one here has still explained how the Libs aren't actually out to privatize healthcare in Australia. Crying over "Privatizing medicare" is just semantics, Healthcare under the Liberals is moving closer and closer to a user pays system. Medicare = Healthcare. Is it still false to say medicare has been privatized when the Libs plan of completely gutting medicare and forcing people onto PHI? How do you privatize medicare in any other way?

You sure you want to talk user-pay system?

Hmmmm?

Think very carefully before you answer that question.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 1:34pm:

Took him long enough. Now it's time for the Federal government to prosecute the QLD branch of the ALP for those disgraceful, fraudulent Medicare text messages.

aww surely not..

Bill hasn't lost yet!!!

http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae269/oldpom/Mobile%20Uploads/13615233_858630334243607_7202138086015192944_n.jpg

It will most likely be a non-event.

Shorty must have so much dirt on the union bosses that he is able to blackmail them into letting him stay when the rubbish tin is the right place for him.

The LNP want Shorty to stay as he is unelectable as there is so much union corruption slime dripping off him and his creepy shifty mug turns voters off.

Making fake MediCare cards is simply FRAUD and the penalty is $5000. This was discussed on 2GB.

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:39pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 1:34pm: Took him long enough. Now it's time for the Federal government to prosecute the QLD branch of the ALP for those disgraceful, fraudulent Medicare text messages. aww surely not.. Bill hasn't lost yet!!! http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae269/oldpom/MobileUploads/13615233_858630334243607_7202138086015192944_n.jpg

;D  ;D

What a nong hey lol.

Aussie wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:27pm:

Quote: It came up as the sender = Medicare on all our mobiles. So....show us the exact text which came up on all four of these phones. [quote]My God, why do you think we're still so angry about it here???

Because there is nothing else in your life to get angry about?


Quote:

My husband in particular who ALWAYS VOTES LABOR and who voted Liberal for the 1st time in his life in the last Federal election in protest.

I should care?  If so, why?[/quote]

"Up" for Lisa Jones.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:38pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:31pm: I love how no one here has still explained how the Libs aren't actually out to privatize healthcare in Australia. Crying over "Privatizing medicare" is just semantics, Healthcare under the Liberals is moving closer and closer to a user pays system. Medicare = Healthcare. Is it still false to say medicare has been privatized when the Libs plan of completely gutting medicare and forcing people onto PHI? How do you privatize medicare in any other way? I think medicare loses money. Probably hard to sell it, if it does lose money

Last I heard it lost around $16 billion/yr.

Yeah....I'm sure anyone and everyone would want to invest in an organization like that lol.

Stupid blooming fools!

juliar wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:41pm:

It will most likely be a non-event. Shorty must have so much dirt on the union bosses that he is able to blackmail them into letting him stay when the rubbish tin is the right place for him. The LNP want Shorty to stay as he is unelectable as there is so much union corruption slime dripping off him and his creepy shifty mug turns voters off. Making fake MediCare cards is simply FRAUD and the penalty is $5000. This was discussed on 2GB.

Making fake MediCare cards!  -

so there are more charges pending?

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:41pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:39pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 1:34pm: Took him long enough. Now it's time for the Federal government to prosecute the QLD branch of the ALP for those disgraceful, fraudulent Medicare text messages. aww surely not.. Bill hasn't lost yet!!! http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae269/oldpom/MobileUploads/13615233_858630334243607_7202138086015192944_n.jpg ;D  ;D What a nong hey lol.

maybe this will mean the end of his victory in failure tour  ;)

what a flogger..

juliar wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:41pm:

It will most likely be a non-event. Shorty must have so much dirt on the union bosses that he is able to blackmail them into letting him stay when the rubbish tin is the right place for him. The LNP want Shorty to stay as he is unelectable as there is so much union corruption slime dripping off him and his creepy shifty mug turns voters off. Making fake MediCare cards is simply FRAUD and the penalty is $5000. This was discussed on 2GB.

Shorty hasn't got the initials BS for nothing.

He's full of it!

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:39pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:31pm: I love how no one here has still explained how the Libs aren't actually out to privatize healthcare in Australia. Crying over "Privatizing medicare" is just semantics, Healthcare under the Liberals is moving closer and closer to a user pays system. Medicare = Healthcare. Is it still false to say medicare has been privatized when the Libs plan of completely gutting medicare and forcing people onto PHI? How do you privatize medicare in any other way? You sure you want to talk user-pay system? Hmmmm? Think very carefully before you answer that question.

Go ahead, I've provided numerous evidence to you showing how the Libs plan to move healthcare in Australia to user pay, which you have completely ignored.

Explain otherwise.

The Liberals goal for healthcare in Australia is user pay and shrinking medicare down so only the poorest of the poor can use it, the Liberals want every Australian on Private Health Insurance, this has been the case since the Howard introduced LHC in 2000 and the Liberals have slowly expanded on it since.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:44pm:

Last I heard it lost around $16 billion/yr. Yeah....I'm sure anyone and everyone would want to invest in an organization like that lol. Stupid blooming fools!

... you do realize that medicare is a public service right? Why in bugger should it be making a profit? That makes no sense.

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:46pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:41pm: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:39pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 1:34pm: Took him long enough. Now it's time for the Federal government to prosecute the QLD branch of the ALP for those disgraceful, fraudulent Medicare text messages. aww surely not.. Bill hasn't lost yet!!! http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae269/oldpom/MobileUploads/13615233_858630334243607_7202138086015192944_n.jpg ;D  ;D What a nong hey lol. maybe this will mean the end of his victory in failure tour  ;) what a flogger..

To be brutally honest I hope BS continues his failure tour.

Even those blooming naive and trusting Labor voters are FINALLY waking up to the delusional nong that he is. ;D

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:49pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:44pm: Last I heard it lost around $16 billion/yr. Yeah....I'm sure anyone and everyone would want to invest in an organization like that lol. Stupid blooming fools! ... you do realize that medicare is a public service right? Why in bugger should it be making a profit? That makes no sense.

There is no business model.

It was a dirty Labor lie.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:38pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:31pm: I love how no one here has still explained how the Libs aren't actually out to privatize healthcare in Australia. Crying over "Privatizing medicare" is just semantics, Healthcare under the Liberals is moving closer and closer to a user pays system. Medicare = Healthcare. Is it still false to say medicare has been privatized when the Libs plan of completely gutting medicare and forcing people onto PHI? How do you privatize medicare in any other way? I think medicare loses money. Probably hard to sell it, if it does lose money

libs aren't worried about selling medicare, they just want to whittle down so that it is pointless so as to force everyone onto private health. Then they can funnel the $3B + that is currently spent on medicare to their mates in big business.

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:48pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:39pm: Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:31pm: I love how no one here has still explained how the Libs aren't actually out to privatize healthcare in Australia. Crying over "Privatizing medicare" is just semantics, Healthcare under the Liberals is moving closer and closer to a user pays system. Medicare = Healthcare. Is it still false to say medicare has been privatized when the Libs plan of completely gutting medicare and forcing people onto PHI? How do you privatize medicare in any other way? You sure you want to talk user-pay system? Hmmmm? Think very carefully before you answer that question. Go ahead, I've provided numerous evidence to you showing how the Libs plan to move healthcare in Australia to user pay, which you have completely ignored. Explain otherwise. The Liberals goal for healthcare in Australia is user pay and shrinking medicare down so only the poorest of the poor can use it, the Liberals want every Australian on Private Health Insurance, this has been the case since the Howard introduced LHC in 2000 and the Liberals have slowly expanded on it since.

Lisa Jones!  Ball is in your court.

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:49pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:44pm: Last I heard it lost around $16 billion/yr. Yeah....I'm sure anyone and everyone would want to invest in an organization like that lol. Stupid blooming fools! ... you do realize that medicare is a public service right? Why in bugger should it be making a profit? That makes no sense.

Are you seriously this stupid?

Why do you think I posted what I did?

Bobby. wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:51pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:49pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:44pm: Last I heard it lost around $16 billion/yr. Yeah....I'm sure anyone and everyone would want to invest in an organization like that lol. Stupid blooming fools! ... you do realize that medicare is a public service right? Why in bugger should it be making a profit? That makes no sense. There is no business model. It was a dirty Labor lie.

Of course it was.

And the victims of this dirty Labor lie?

Simple trusting Australians.

That makes it disgusting.

Only a retard would believe that the medicare privatization board wasn't looking at ways to privatise medicare
::) ::) ::)



I know, I'm going to start a business called Johns Tyres so that I can sell computers  :D :D

I mean, I can't believe these idiots complain about "Mediscare" which is basically fact, while they completely ignore

- Carbon tax will destroy the country

- Refugees are stealing our jobs and are dole bludgers

- FTTP NBN will cost 97 billion dollars

- Labors war on home investors

- Labors war on business

- Wind turbines cause "WTS"

- Labor lied about a "Carbon Tax" (only if you quote mine Gillard to cut off the rest of the sentence and ignore the Carbon Tax isn't even a tax but was the ETS with a fixed price period, ASKED FOR BY BUSINESS)

Or how about here in Canberra

- "Vote Liberals and put Labor last if you want to see Light Rail Scrapped" when in reality, the Liberal party support light rail and Tony Abbott funded it and held it up as a pet project.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-10/abbott-uses-act-light-rail-project-example-for-transport-funding/6610968

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:48pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:39pm: Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:31pm: I love how no one here has still explained how the Libs aren't actually out to privatize healthcare in Australia. Crying over "Privatizing medicare" is just semantics, Healthcare under the Liberals is moving closer and closer to a user pays system. Medicare = Healthcare. Is it still false to say medicare has been privatized when the Libs plan of completely gutting medicare and forcing people onto PHI? How do you privatize medicare in any other way? You sure you want to talk user-pay system? Hmmmm? Think very carefully before you answer that question. Go ahead, I've provided numerous evidence to you showing how the Libs plan to move healthcare in Australia to user pay, which you have completely ignored. Explain otherwise. The Liberals goal for healthcare in Australia is user pay and shrinking medicare down so only the poorest of the poor can use it, the Liberals want every Australian on Private Health Insurance, this has been the case since the Howard introduced LHC in 2000 and the Liberals have slowly expanded on it since.

Ahhh so you do want to talk user pay system

In that case, we'll need to go BACK TO KEATING.....the FATHER OF ECONOMIC RATIONALISM, as he is known and referred to in political economy academia.

Keating was the champion of the user pay system. During his yrs as Treasurer and as PM, the user pay system was his slogan.

He made sure it affected EVERYTHING from education to health.

Keating.

Labor.

User pay.

Never forget that.

Again.

Why should Shorten admit defeat when Malcolm hasn't won a victory?  Is there a defeat without a victory now?  Mal struggled in by forming an alliance with the very people his party vilified - 'a vote for a  Indepedent is a vote for Labor' - what a hoot that a vote for an Independent is now a vote for LNP... yet not a word is spoken.....

Shorten admitting defeat shows that he has no firm grip on the simple realities of politics as they function in this country, and he,and his Party simply don't have the balls to stand up and call a spade a spade...

The LNP lost as much as Labor lost - according to the Australian People, who, none of them, asked their chosen Independents and minors to support the LNP.

So Turnbull should be admitting defeat and start eating some crow, along with his big-mouthed cronies, and start working FOR the Australian people instead of against them.

Bill may not have the balls, nor his Party of feminist running dogs, to call it as it is - but I do.

Now bring on the Party of the Third Way for the next election... I see this election not as a disaster for the Australian people, but as a golden opportunity to get something going for US, and not THEM.  And before you start - it was not I who declared it US and Them - it was the major parties..... unfortunately the way things are going it will become EITHER us or them who survive.... and, people, it will not be me or mine who go under to cater to the failures of these political lackeys of special interest groups.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:27pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:24pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 6:23pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 6:19pm: A claim appearing to come from medicare with a false message. The Liberals only wanted to streamline the computer services using the skills of private companies - the only ones who  who can provide such a service. There were no plans to wreck Medicare - it did not need to be saved - only made better. https://www.pedestrian.tv/images/article/2016/07/03/meditext1-619-386.png It doesn't appear to be coming from Medicare, and the message isn't false. No fraud. Sorry, Booby. It came up as the sender = Medicare on all our mobiles. My God, why do you think we're still so angry about it here??? My husband in particular who ALWAYS VOTES LABOR and who voted Liberal for the 1st time in his life in the last Federal election in protest. Don't worry Lisa, there will be a trial & Shorty will at least have to answer some hard questions. He is a distasteful union thug. He needs to go. Post haste. My husband reckons that he was like that even at Uni. He was not liked by many Laborites there.

Forgot to mention, my husband knew him from his uni days.

My husband was also involved with uni student union etc.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:01pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:48pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:39pm: Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:31pm: I love how no one here has still explained how the Libs aren't actually out to privatize healthcare in Australia. Crying over "Privatizing medicare" is just semantics, Healthcare under the Liberals is moving closer and closer to a user pays system. Medicare = Healthcare. Is it still false to say medicare has been privatized when the Libs plan of completely gutting medicare and forcing people onto PHI? How do you privatize medicare in any other way? You sure you want to talk user-pay system? Hmmmm? Think very carefully before you answer that question. Go ahead, I've provided numerous evidence to you showing how the Libs plan to move healthcare in Australia to user pay, which you have completely ignored. Explain otherwise. The Liberals goal for healthcare in Australia is user pay and shrinking medicare down so only the poorest of the poor can use it, the Liberals want every Australian on Private Health Insurance, this has been the case since the Howard introduced LHC in 2000 and the Liberals have slowly expanded on it since. Ahhh so you do want to talk user pay system In that case, we'll need to go BACK TO KEATING.....the FATHER OF ECONOMIC RATIONALISM, as he is known and referred to in political economy academia. Keating was the champion of the user pay system. During his yrs as Treasurer and as PM, the user pay system was his slogan. He made sure it affected EVERYTHING from education to health. Keating. Labor. User pay. Never forget that. Again.

Do you think I give a poo about a Neoliberal Blaritie like Keating? It currently is not Labor policy, it currently is Liberal policy.

Also outsourcing government services to private for profit companies IS actually defined as privatisation of public service. It increases red tape as government then has to regulate a private provider. It costs more as government then has to pay private provider both the cost of running the service, plus extra profit, plus enough bureaucrats to regulate and supervise the private provider.

The Libs, by giving the backend of of Medicare to Telstra ARE LITERALLY PRIVATIZING MEDICARE. IT'S LITERAL PRIVATIZATION OF MEDICARES BACKEND.

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:57pm:

I mean, I can't believe these idiots complain about "Mediscare" which is basically fact, while they completely ignore - Carbon tax will destroy the country - Refugees are stealing our jobs and are dole bludgers - FTTP NBN will cost 97 billion dollars - Labors war on home investors - Labors war on business - Wind turbines cause "WTS" - Labor lied about a "Carbon Tax" (only if you quote mine Gillard to cut off the rest of the sentence and ignore the Carbon Tax isn't even a tax but was the ETS with a fixed price period, ASKED FOR BY BUSINESS) Or how about here in Canberra - "Vote Liberals and put Labor last if you want to see Light Rail Scrapped" when in reality, the Liberal party support light rail and Tony Abbott funded it and held it up as a pet project. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-10/abbott-uses-act-light-rail-project-example-for-transport-funding/6610968

Oh isn't it just bloody awful living in Australia.

Here's a tip. Why don't you move to a communist country post haste? Given your posts on OzPol to date, you'll blend in quite well within a communist regime.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:55pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:51pm: Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:49pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:44pm: Last I heard it lost around $16 billion/yr. Yeah....I'm sure anyone and everyone would want to invest in an organization like that lol. Stupid blooming fools! ... you do realize that medicare is a public service right? Why in bugger should it be making a profit? That makes no sense. There is no business model. It was a dirty Labor lie. Of course it was. And the victims of this dirty Labor lie? Simple trusting Australians. That makes it disgusting.

But Lisa - be fair about this -
The Libbos are just as bad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAHNXdHai0g

As far as I'm concerned they're all crooks who can't be trusted.

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Ahhh so you do want to talk user pay system In that case, we'll need to go BACK TO KEATING.....the FATHER OF ECONOMIC RATIONALISM, as he is known and referred to in political economy academia. Keating was the champion of the user pay system. During his yrs as Treasurer and as PM, the user pay system was his slogan. He made sure it affected EVERYTHING from education to health.

Link?

"Lost" $16bn?  How is it 'losing' money when it is funded out of Medicare levy and drawn from other taxation that was always raised to meet the required amounts?

So - let us imagine for a moment that the Malcontents sell of Medicare - does that mean that the tax strands from which that funding is drawn will be reduced to match this alleged loss of a loss?

Not in your lifetime or mine.....

Bonus question:-  Has a single taxation strand been REDUCED with the 'privatisation' of countless utilities that were allegedly costing the Budget cold hard cash with 'private industry' "more efficient", under the delusional concept that the government was now earning a profit from 'lease fees' and the alleged taxation generated by the 'business activity' of these 'privatised' utilities?

Not as long as your arseholes point to the ground...  all you take up the rear is increased costs of living, which puts that self-same government in the position of suffering endless real inflation due to the never-ending spiral of costs defeating incomes/incomes rising to try to meet/costs defeating incomes again, over and over....

Now - tell me again how Medicare is losing money?  It would lose NOT ONE CENT if the self-same governments actually generated the 'jobs and growth' they are always  laying claim to.... instead of their perpetual plundering of the public purse for selves and cronies.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:11pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:57pm: I mean, I can't believe these idiots complain about "Mediscare" which is basically fact, while they completely ignore - Carbon tax will destroy the country - Refugees are stealing our jobs and are dole bludgers - FTTP NBN will cost 97 billion dollars - Labors war on home investors - Labors war on business - Wind turbines cause "WTS" - Labor lied about a "Carbon Tax" (only if you quote mine Gillard to cut off the rest of the sentence and ignore the Carbon Tax isn't even a tax but was the ETS with a fixed price period, ASKED FOR BY BUSINESS) Or how about here in Canberra - "Vote Liberals and put Labor last if you want to see Light Rail Scrapped" when in reality, the Liberal party support light rail and Tony Abbott funded it and held it up as a pet project. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-10/abbott-uses-act-light-rail-project-example-for-transport-funding/6610968 Oh isn't it just bloody awful living in Australia. Here's a tip. Why don't you move to a communist country post haste? Given your posts on OzPol to date, you'll blend in quite well within a communist regime.

You could always move to the the capitalist utopia, America.... and start at the bottom and show us how it's done... sell up here and move offshore to Capital Central..... if it's too hard living in an Australia in which the majority actually expect a fair return on their efforts and their labour... and treated with respect instead of like serfs for some self-appoint twit who imagines him or her self their superior....

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Forgot to mention, my husband knew him from his uni days. My husband was also involved with uni student union etc.

Did he also know Dave Nadel and Darce Cassidy?

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:06pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:36pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:27pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:24pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 6:23pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 6:19pm: A claim appearing to come from medicare with a false message. The Liberals only wanted to streamline the computer services using the skills of private companies - the only ones who  who can provide such a service. There were no plans to wreck Medicare - it did not need to be saved - only made better. https://www.pedestrian.tv/images/article/2016/07/03/meditext1-619-386.png It doesn't appear to be coming from Medicare, and the message isn't false. No fraud. Sorry, Booby. It came up as the sender = Medicare on all our mobiles. My God, why do you think we're still so angry about it here??? My husband in particular who ALWAYS VOTES LABOR and who voted Liberal for the 1st time in his life in the last Federal election in protest. Don't worry Lisa, there will be a trial & Shorty will at least have to answer some hard questions. He is a distasteful union thug. He needs to go. Post haste. My husband reckons that he was like that even at Uni. He was not liked by many Laborites there. Forgot to mention, my husband knew him from his uni days. My husband was also involved with uni student union etc.

Oh, God - another quadrangle twerp preaching socialist nonsense to us all until he gets out where the big dollars roam, at which point he does a Fat Joe and becomes the ultimate using capitalist and exploiter of other people's money for personal profit .... and most likely a thief in the night using 'legitimate' ways to garner cash and extort the public purse to do so via wealthfare...

Dear God....

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:08pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 8:01pm: Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:48pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:39pm: Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:31pm: I love how no one here has still explained how the Libs aren't actually out to privatize healthcare in Australia. Crying over "Privatizing medicare" is just semantics, Healthcare under the Liberals is moving closer and closer to a user pays system. Medicare = Healthcare. Is it still false to say medicare has been privatized when the Libs plan of completely gutting medicare and forcing people onto PHI? How do you privatize medicare in any other way? You sure you want to talk user-pay system? Hmmmm? Think very carefully before you answer that question. Go ahead, I've provided numerous evidence to you showing how the Libs plan to move healthcare in Australia to user pay, which you have completely ignored. Explain otherwise. The Liberals goal for healthcare in Australia is user pay and shrinking medicare down so only the poorest of the poor can use it, the Liberals want every Australian on Private Health Insurance, this has been the case since the Howard introduced LHC in 2000 and the Liberals have slowly expanded on it since. Ahhh so you do want to talk user pay system In that case, we'll need to go BACK TO KEATING.....the FATHER OF ECONOMIC RATIONALISM, as he is known and referred to in political economy academia. Keating was the champion of the user pay system. During his yrs as Treasurer and as PM, the user pay system was his slogan. He made sure it affected EVERYTHING from education to health. Keating. Labor. User pay. Never forget that. Again. Do you think I give a poo about a Neoliberal Blaritie like Keating? It currently is not Labor policy, it currently is Liberal policy. Also outsourcing government services to private for profit companies IS actually defined as privatisation of public service. It increases red tape as government then has to regulate a private provider. It costs more as government then has to pay private provider both the cost of running the service, plus extra profit, plus enough bureaucrats to regulate and supervise the private provider. The Libs, by giving the backend of of Medicare to Telstra ARE LITERALLY PRIVATIZING MEDICARE. IT'S LITERAL PRIVATIZATION OF MEDICARES BACKEND.

Excuse me?

You're the blooming fool who decided to travel back in Australian political history so as to blame the Liberals for something Labor was responsible for.

Unfortunately for you, your attempt to distort the truth of the matter has blown up in your face.

And now, you are pathetically attempting to divorce yourself from Keating....almost as though Keating was never a major player in Labor politics.

For Christ's sake pull your head in. You're all over the place my communist foe.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:11pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:55pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:51pm: Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:49pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:44pm: Last I heard it lost around $16 billion/yr. Yeah....I'm sure anyone and everyone would want to invest in an organization like that lol. Stupid blooming fools! ... you do realize that medicare is a public service right? Why in bugger should it be making a profit? That makes no sense. There is no business model. It was a dirty Labor lie. Of course it was. And the victims of this dirty Labor lie? Simple trusting Australians. That makes it disgusting. But Lisa - be fair about this - The Libbos are just as bad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAHNXdHai0g As far as I'm concerned they're all crooks who can't be trusted.

Sorry Bobby, the Liberals are not as bad as Labor.

And that's why the Liberals got all the votes in this household last week.

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You're the blooming fool who decided to travel back in Australian political history so as to blame the Liberals for something Labor was responsible for. Unfortunately for you, your attempt to distort the truth of the matter has blown up in your face. And now, you are pathetically attempting to divorce yourself from Keating....almost as though Keating was never a major player in Labor politics. For Christ's sake pull your head in. You're all over the place my communist foe.

What did he blame the Libs for? 

Link.

(You are posting your usual crap, Lisa Jones.)

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:11pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:57pm: I mean, I can't believe these idiots complain about "Mediscare" which is basically fact, while they completely ignore - Carbon tax will destroy the country - Refugees are stealing our jobs and are dole bludgers - FTTP NBN will cost 97 billion dollars - Labors war on home investors - Labors war on business - Wind turbines cause "WTS" - Labor lied about a "Carbon Tax" (only if you quote mine Gillard to cut off the rest of the sentence and ignore the Carbon Tax isn't even a tax but was the ETS with a fixed price period, ASKED FOR BY BUSINESS) Or how about here in Canberra - "Vote Liberals and put Labor last if you want to see Light Rail Scrapped" when in reality, the Liberal party support light rail and Tony Abbott funded it and held it up as a pet project. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-10/abbott-uses-act-light-rail-project-example-for-transport-funding/6610968 Oh isn't it just bloody awful living in Australia. Here's a tip. Why don't you move to a communist country post haste? Given your posts on OzPol to date, you'll blend in quite well within a communist regime.

Why don't you move to the US? Or Lolbertarian ancap wasteland Honduras where everything is privatized and private police murder poor people on the streets to make way for rich american republicans and company towns still exist?

Also why do I care about this stuff? Because a strong economy and strong social services means a higher standard of living for most people. It is completely unfair that there are families out there working several jobs, 70 hour weeks and barely can afford to feed their kids, while people born into wealth use nepotism and fall straight into positions of power of Business, think tanks or Politics and get to dictate to the rest of us on what is "fair".

The Liberal party does not represent the Australian public, the Nationals outright disdain farmers. Both are the arm of FIRE and mining and will do anything to sabotage any threat to those interests. This is not going to make a strong Australia that can give a good life to everybody.
The Liberal years are always years of stagnation in the economy and country. We have seen little diversification in Australias economy under the Libs and they actively poo on infrastructure that could make Australia attractive to entrepreneurs.

I do not believe, and the economic modelling backs my views, that the Liberals are good for Australia on a economic level. They just aren't, the party of vested landed interests, that is all.

Labor are crap as well, but at least Labor have some visionary policies and don't hold the public in outright disdain like the Libs.

Greens are far better than both on a economic level (and Ken Henry's modelling backs this up), but at the same time, I can't stand their gun grabber policies. Bleh.

Despite all that, Labor and The Greens trounce the Liberals, it's not even a contest, really if Australian elections were based on policy, it would easily be Labor vs Greens.

Aussie wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:16pm:

Quote: Forgot to mention, my husband knew him from his uni days. My husband was also involved with uni student union etc. Did he also know Dave Nadel and Darce Cassidy?

'Up' for Lisa Jones.  Have you asked 'Hubby' about these blokes?   He must have known them as well.

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:31pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 8:11pm: Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:57pm: I mean, I can't believe these idiots complain about "Mediscare" which is basically fact, while they completely ignore - Carbon tax will destroy the country - Refugees are stealing our jobs and are dole bludgers - FTTP NBN will cost 97 billion dollars - Labors war on home investors - Labors war on business - Wind turbines cause "WTS" - Labor lied about a "Carbon Tax" (only if you quote mine Gillard to cut off the rest of the sentence and ignore the Carbon Tax isn't even a tax but was the ETS with a fixed price period, ASKED FOR BY BUSINESS) Or how about here in Canberra - "Vote Liberals and put Labor last if you want to see Light Rail Scrapped" when in reality, the Liberal party support light rail and Tony Abbott funded it and held it up as a pet project. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-10/abbott-uses-act-light-rail-project-example-for-transport-funding/6610968 Oh isn't it just bloody awful living in Australia. Here's a tip. Why don't you move to a communist country post haste? Given your posts on OzPol to date, you'll blend in quite well within a communist regime. Why don't you move to the US? Or Lolbertarian ancap wasteland Honduras where everything is privatized and private police murder poor people on the streets to make way for rich american republicans and company towns still exist? Also why do I care about this stuff? Because a strong economy and strong social services means a higher standard of living for most people. It is completely unfair that there are families out there working several jobs, 70 hour weeks and barely can afford to feed their kids, while people born into wealth use nepotism and fall straight into positions of power of Business, think tanks or Politics and get to dictate to the rest of us on what is "fair". The Liberal party does not represent the Australian public, the Nationals outright disdain farmers. Both are the arm of FIRE and mining and will do anything to sabotage any threat to those interests. This is not going to make a strong Australia that can give a good life to everybody. The Liberal years are always years of stagnation in the economy and country. We have seen little diversification in Australias economy under the Libs and they actively poo on infrastructure that could make Australia attractive to entrepreneurs. I do not believe, and the economic modelling backs my views, that the Liberals are good for Australia on a economic level. They just aren't, the party of vested landed interests, that is all. Labor are crap as well, but at least Labor have some visionary policies and don't hold the public in outright disdain like the Libs. Greens are far better than both on a economic level (and Ken Henry's modelling backs this up), but at the same time, I can't stand their gun grabber policies. Bleh. Despite all that, Labor and The Greens trounce the Liberals, it's not even a contest, really if Australian elections were based on policy, it would easily be Labor vs Greens.

Unlike you I love living in Australia.

Unlike you, I'm not sitting around in numerous topics on a Sunday night, complaining about how bad things are here in Australia.

Unlike you, I'm not a Communist.

Unlike you, I voted Liberal and the Liberals won.

Unlike you, I'm not interested in your anachronistic communist-driven drivel.

John Smith wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:56pm:

Only a retard would believe that the medicare privatization board wasn't looking at ways to privatise medicare ::) ::) ::) I know, I'm going to start a business called Johns Tyres so that I can sell computers  :D :D

No No No - Johns tyres sells used ducks.

Aussie wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:11pm:

Quote: Ahhh so you do want to talk user pay system In that case, we'll need to go BACK TO KEATING.....the FATHER OF ECONOMIC RATIONALISM, as he is known and referred to in political economy academia. Keating was the champion of the user pay system. During his yrs as Treasurer and as PM, the user pay system was his slogan. He made sure it affected EVERYTHING from education to health. Link?

Not even a remote chance.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:49pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 8:31pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 8:11pm: Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:57pm: I mean, I can't believe these idiots complain about "Mediscare" which is basically fact, while they completely ignore - Carbon tax will destroy the country - Refugees are stealing our jobs and are dole bludgers - FTTP NBN will cost 97 billion dollars - Labors war on home investors - Labors war on business - Wind turbines cause "WTS" - Labor lied about a "Carbon Tax" (only if you quote mine Gillard to cut off the rest of the sentence and ignore the Carbon Tax isn't even a tax but was the ETS with a fixed price period, ASKED FOR BY BUSINESS) Or how about here in Canberra - "Vote Liberals and put Labor last if you want to see Light Rail Scrapped" when in reality, the Liberal party support light rail and Tony Abbott funded it and held it up as a pet project. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-10/abbott-uses-act-light-rail-project-example-for-transport-funding/6610968 Oh isn't it just bloody awful living in Australia. Here's a tip. Why don't you move to a communist country post haste? Given your posts on OzPol to date, you'll blend in quite well within a communist regime. Why don't you move to the US? Or Lolbertarian ancap wasteland Honduras where everything is privatized and private police murder poor people on the streets to make way for rich american republicans and company towns still exist? Also why do I care about this stuff? Because a strong economy and strong social services means a higher standard of living for most people. It is completely unfair that there are families out there working several jobs, 70 hour weeks and barely can afford to feed their kids, while people born into wealth use nepotism and fall straight into positions of power of Business, think tanks or Politics and get to dictate to the rest of us on what is "fair". The Liberal party does not represent the Australian public, the Nationals outright disdain farmers. Both are the arm of FIRE and mining and will do anything to sabotage any threat to those interests. This is not going to make a strong Australia that can give a good life to everybody. The Liberal years are always years of stagnation in the economy and country. We have seen little diversification in Australias economy under the Libs and they actively poo on infrastructure that could make Australia attractive to entrepreneurs. I do not believe, and the economic modelling backs my views, that the Liberals are good for Australia on a economic level. They just aren't, the party of vested landed interests, that is all. Labor are crap as well, but at least Labor have some visionary policies and don't hold the public in outright disdain like the Libs. Greens are far better than both on a economic level (and Ken Henry's modelling backs this up), but at the same time, I can't stand their gun grabber policies. Bleh. Despite all that, Labor and The Greens trounce the Liberals, it's not even a contest, really if Australian elections were based on policy, it would easily be Labor vs Greens. Unlike you I love living in Australia. Unlike you, I'm not sitting around in numerous topics on a Sunday night, complaining about how bad things are here in Australia. Unlike you, I'm not a Communist. Unlike you, I voted Liberal and the Liberals won. Unlike you, I'm not interested in your anachronistic communist-driven drivel.

;D

You don't even understand how hypocritical you are being aren't you?

Self awareness, learn it.

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 9:04pm:

You don't even understand how hypocritical you are being aren't you?

she never does  :D :D :D

Dnarever wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 9:04pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 8:11pm: Quote: Ahhh so you do want to talk user pay system In that case, we'll need to go BACK TO KEATING.....the FATHER OF ECONOMIC RATIONALISM, as he is known and referred to in political economy academia. Keating was the champion of the user pay system. During his yrs as Treasurer and as PM, the user pay system was his slogan. He made sure it affected EVERYTHING from education to health. Link? Not even a remote chance.

I know. 

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You don't even understand how hypocritical you are being aren't you? Self awareness, learn it.

Kiron.....when Lisa Jones comes in like that, suggesting she knows something no-one else does, never let her off any hook.  Ever.  Her posts are just rubbish.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:24pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 8:11pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:55pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:51pm: Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:49pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:44pm: Last I heard it lost around $16 billion/yr. Yeah....I'm sure anyone and everyone would want to invest in an organization like that lol. Stupid blooming fools! ... you do realize that medicare is a public service right? Why in bugger should it be making a profit? That makes no sense. There is no business model. It was a dirty Labor lie. Of course it was. And the victims of this dirty Labor lie? Simple trusting Australians. That makes it disgusting. But Lisa - be fair about this - The Libbos are just as bad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAHNXdHai0g As far as I'm concerned they're all crooks who can't be trusted. Sorry Bobby, the Liberals are not as bad as Labor. And that's why the Liberals got all the votes in this household last week.

Ah - so you speak for your voting household - does that extrapolate to the majority of Australians who voted last week, as in:-

National two party count Party / Coalition      Votes      Percentage %      Swing %
Liberal/National Coalition      5,354,596      50.13      -3.36
Australian Labor Party      5,326,493      49.87      +3.36

50.13/49.87 ... sounds mighty close to me.. your hubby should have voted Labor to keep with the trend... that swing is ominous though.... 3.36% of voters who previously voted LNP thought the LNP were garbage and said so.


The Liberals alone only hold 45 seats - a distinct minority - and they lost 13 to get there....

I think the facts are against you, Lisa.... would you prefer to discuss the LNP Coalition or its Super-Coalition including the Rest who agreed to support supply as long as the policy supply was meant to support wasn't too on the nose..... at which point the Elected Senate will kybosh it anyway...

We will all vote for the first honest politician.

We pray that he or she will appear to us one day.

For to lie is to murder some part of the world.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tch1CuMV9M

Abbott & Shorty have murdered some part of the world:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAHNXdHai0g

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 9:04pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 8:49pm: Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 8:31pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 8:11pm: Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:57pm: I mean, I can't believe these idiots complain about "Mediscare" which is basically fact, while they completely ignore - Carbon tax will destroy the country - Refugees are stealing our jobs and are dole bludgers - FTTP NBN will cost 97 billion dollars - Labors war on home investors - Labors war on business - Wind turbines cause "WTS" - Labor lied about a "Carbon Tax" (only if you quote mine Gillard to cut off the rest of the sentence and ignore the Carbon Tax isn't even a tax but was the ETS with a fixed price period, ASKED FOR BY BUSINESS) Or how about here in Canberra - "Vote Liberals and put Labor last if you want to see Light Rail Scrapped" when in reality, the Liberal party support light rail and Tony Abbott funded it and held it up as a pet project. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-10/abbott-uses-act-light-rail-project-example-for-transport-funding/6610968 Oh isn't it just bloody awful living in Australia. Here's a tip. Why don't you move to a communist country post haste? Given your posts on OzPol to date, you'll blend in quite well within a communist regime. Why don't you move to the US? Or Lolbertarian ancap wasteland Honduras where everything is privatized and private police murder poor people on the streets to make way for rich american republicans and company towns still exist? Also why do I care about this stuff? Because a strong economy and strong social services means a higher standard of living for most people. It is completely unfair that there are families out there working several jobs, 70 hour weeks and barely can afford to feed their kids, while people born into wealth use nepotism and fall straight into positions of power of Business, think tanks or Politics and get to dictate to the rest of us on what is "fair". The Liberal party does not represent the Australian public, the Nationals outright disdain farmers. Both are the arm of FIRE and mining and will do anything to sabotage any threat to those interests. This is not going to make a strong Australia that can give a good life to everybody. The Liberal years are always years of stagnation in the economy and country. We have seen little diversification in Australias economy under the Libs and they actively poo on infrastructure that could make Australia attractive to entrepreneurs. I do not believe, and the economic modelling backs my views, that the Liberals are good for Australia on a economic level. They just aren't, the party of vested landed interests, that is all. Labor are crap as well, but at least Labor have some visionary policies and don't hold the public in outright disdain like the Libs. Greens are far better than both on a economic level (and Ken Henry's modelling backs this up), but at the same time, I can't stand their gun grabber policies. Bleh. Despite all that, Labor and The Greens trounce the Liberals, it's not even a contest, really if Australian elections were based on policy, it would easily be Labor vs Greens. Unlike you I love living in Australia. Unlike you, I'm not sitting around in numerous topics on a Sunday night, complaining about how bad things are here in Australia. Unlike you, I'm not a Communist. Unlike you, I voted Liberal and the Liberals won. Unlike you, I'm not interested in your anachronistic communist-driven drivel. ;D You don't even understand how hypocritical you are being aren't you? Self awareness, learn it.

What a freaking lame comeback!

Oh well, it was fun poking fun at your communist drivel for the past few pages.

By all means, do drop by again.

Just make sure though that when you do so, you remember correctly which side of politics is responsible for the garbage policies you post about.

:) ;D :o

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:01pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:48pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:39pm: Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:31pm: I love how no one here has still explained how the Libs aren't actually out to privatize healthcare in Australia. Crying over "Privatizing medicare" is just semantics, Healthcare under the Liberals is moving closer and closer to a user pays system. Medicare = Healthcare. Is it still false to say medicare has been privatized when the Libs plan of completely gutting medicare and forcing people onto PHI? How do you privatize medicare in any other way? You sure you want to talk user-pay system? Hmmmm? Think very carefully before you answer that question. Go ahead, I've provided numerous evidence to you showing how the Libs plan to move healthcare in Australia to user pay, which you have completely ignored. Explain otherwise. The Liberals goal for healthcare in Australia is user pay and shrinking medicare down so only the poorest of the poor can use it, the Liberals want every Australian on Private Health Insurance, this has been the case since the Howard introduced LHC in 2000 and the Liberals have slowly expanded on it since. Ahhh so you do want to talk user pay system In that case, we'll need to go BACK TO KEATING.....the FATHER OF ECONOMIC RATIONALISM, as he is known and referred to in political economy academia. Keating was the champion of the user pay system. During his yrs as Treasurer and as PM, the user pay system was his slogan. He made sure it affected EVERYTHING from education to health. Keating. Labor. User pay. Never forget that. Again.

Up. Just for Kiron  ;D

Aussie wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:11pm:

Quote: Ahhh so you do want to talk user pay system In that case, we'll need to go BACK TO KEATING.....the FATHER OF ECONOMIC RATIONALISM, as he is known and referred to in political economy academia. Keating was the champion of the user pay system. During his yrs as Treasurer and as PM, the user pay system was his slogan. He made sure it affected EVERYTHING from education to health. Link?

"Up" just for Lisa Jones.  " ;D"

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:21pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 8:08pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 8:01pm: Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:48pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:39pm: Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:31pm: I love how no one here has still explained how the Libs aren't actually out to privatize healthcare in Australia. Crying over "Privatizing medicare" is just semantics, Healthcare under the Liberals is moving closer and closer to a user pays system. Medicare = Healthcare. Is it still false to say medicare has been privatized when the Libs plan of completely gutting medicare and forcing people onto PHI? How do you privatize medicare in any other way? You sure you want to talk user-pay system? Hmmmm? Think very carefully before you answer that question. Go ahead, I've provided numerous evidence to you showing how the Libs plan to move healthcare in Australia to user pay, which you have completely ignored. Explain otherwise. The Liberals goal for healthcare in Australia is user pay and shrinking medicare down so only the poorest of the poor can use it, the Liberals want every Australian on Private Health Insurance, this has been the case since the Howard introduced LHC in 2000 and the Liberals have slowly expanded on it since. Ahhh so you do want to talk user pay system In that case, we'll need to go BACK TO KEATING.....the FATHER OF ECONOMIC RATIONALISM, as he is known and referred to in political economy academia. Keating was the champion of the user pay system. During his yrs as Treasurer and as PM, the user pay system was his slogan. He made sure it affected EVERYTHING from education to health. Keating. Labor. User pay. Never forget that. Again. Do you think I give a poo about a Neoliberal Blaritie like Keating? It currently is not Labor policy, it currently is Liberal policy. Also outsourcing government services to private for profit companies IS actually defined as privatisation of public service. It increases red tape as government then has to regulate a private provider. It costs more as government then has to pay private provider both the cost of running the service, plus extra profit, plus enough bureaucrats to regulate and supervise the private provider. The Libs, by giving the backend of of Medicare to Telstra ARE LITERALLY PRIVATIZING MEDICARE. IT'S LITERAL PRIVATIZATION OF MEDICARES BACKEND. Excuse me? You're the blooming fool who decided to travel back in Australian political history so as to blame the Liberals for something Labor was responsible for. Unfortunately for you, your attempt to distort the truth of the matter has blown up in your face. And now, you are pathetically attempting to divorce yourself from Keating....almost as though Keating was never a major player in Labor politics. For Christ's sake pull your head in. You're all over the place my communist foe.

Oops! Another one. Just for Kiron  ;D

Why didn't Albo Sneezy challenge Shorty at last week's Caucus meeting ?

juliar wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 11:21pm:

Why didn't Albo Sneezy challenge Shorty at last week's Caucus meeting ?

Because Labor gained all the seats that the Liberals lost?  That's a far greater win than forming a government of a couple of maybe's - who will vote with you as long as...The Price Is Right!

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 12:43am:

juliar wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 11:21pm: Why didn't Albo Sneezy challenge Shorty at last week's Caucus meeting ? Because Labor gained all the seats that the Liberals lost?  That's a far greater win than forming a government of a couple of maybe's - who will vote with you as long as...The Price Is Right!

Interesting times ahead. :) 

The fact that DUTTON, as been PROMOTED, as a result of this election is ONE BIG BAD NEGATIVE.

If Turnbull really had any say in HIS ( ::) ) Cabinet, the people who were complicit in the campaign SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED.
I am saying... GET RID of DUTTON, if you want the public's confidence and TRUST.
Get rid of Morrison,  a bulldozing waster of public confidence...
Get rid of PYNE.. a waste of space, altogether
Get rid of J BISHOP, a scheming lying mealy-mouthed pollie.. and nothing else.

NOPE.. THIS GOVT is doomed already.  We now have the  Nazi - like Dutton on our SECURITY COMMITTEE. :o

The man is a monster, along with Morrison they have done their very best to keep women and children in indefinite detention, at huge risk of abuse and torture,  at enormous cost to not only those refugees so unfortunate as to have become a political pawn in the 'fear' campaign run by the LNP, but also to the soul of Australia, and  it's economy. :P :-[.
OUR CORE VALUES should NEVER ALLOW SUCH INJUSTICE to be visited on refugees.

BUT THE LNP won govt on that fear-based campaign,, and this time round,  no-one said BOO.

The white elephant in the room. No Minister of Govt can claim ANY superiority, when they keep these people in these concentration camps. IT IS Shameful, and UN AUSTRALIAN.

COME ON OZ GOVT... act to do GOOD... NOT HARM.

+
When a government endorses, actively maintains, and claims some sort of victory by locking up refugee women and children, and enabling their torture and even, their death,?? that GOVT has NO CLAIM to any sort of validity or ethical MANDATE.

And so here we are.. my fellow Australians. IN OUR NAME THIS continues. :P :P :P

No society which thinks this is OK can survive, long term. One societal impact..? 

We have a massive problem with DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.

WOMEN... and  CHILDREN,, are killed EVERDAY here in AUSTRALIA.. the best country in the world.    :( :( :(.

WHEN OUR VERY GOVERNMENT PROMOTES, CONDONES and DEFENDS this inhumane treatment of innocents... 

is it any wonder that our society reflects those values?.  SICK VALUES.

I am disgusted that this govt is BLIND, to all practical purposes,  to the harm they are doing, through this policy they love, because they won.., ,  not just to those poor homeless apparently worthless victims, but to our whole society.

Hey.. !!!!

the government does it, all day everyday. Women and children are worthless... and they deserve the treatment our Govt enables.  THAT IS THE MESSAGE.

Emma wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 2:01am:

+ When a government endorses, actively maintains, and claims some sort of victory by locking up refugee women and children, and enabling their torture and even, their death,?? that GOVT has NO CLAIM to any sort of validity or ethical MANDATE. And so here we are.. my fellow Australians. IN OUR NAME THIS continues. :P :P :P No society which thinks this is OK can survive, long term. One societal impact..?  We have a massive problem with DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. WOMEN... and  CHILDREN,, are killed EVERDAY here in AUSTRALIA.. the best country in the world.    :( :( :(. WHEN OUR VERY GOVERNMENT PROMOTES, CONDONES and DEFENDS this inhumane treatment of innocents...  is it any wonder that our society reflects those values?.  SICK VALUES. I am disgusted that this govt is BLIND, to all practical purposes,  to the harm they are doing, through this policy they love, because they won.., ,  not just to those poor homeless apparently worthless victims, but to our whole society. Hey.. !!!! the government does it, all day everyday. Women and children are worthless... and they deserve the treatment our Govt enables.  THAT IS THE MESSAGE.

i sometimes wonder what went wrong with people like you Peel.
There is more then enough suffering going on in the world and if you feel strongly about it, you only need to go and have a cuppa with a neighbour and promote a bit of good karma.
An old chap a bit up from me shot himself in the chest a week ago.
Old lonely farmer, no one in the city (1/2 an hours drive away) could be bothered giving a flying fa*rck about him after a life of contribution.
You city trash , are more interested sitting with your eyes glued to the ABC and SBS , getting all watery eyed about people you have never met and will never meet.
Why dont you do something practical instead of just venting at people like Dutton and calling him a monster and a nazi. Why dont you get off your fat a*rse and drive 1/2 an hour and save a life.
You can tape SBS and ABC so you can still enjoy your fake moral outrage when you get home.

The Labor king-makers will dump Shorton, that's  a foregone conclusion. The only question  is whether Albanese, although a very accomplished minister, could ever be embraced  by the electorate.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 7:11am:

The Labor king-makers will dump Shorton, that's  a foregone conclusion. The only question  is whether Albanese, although a very accomplished minister, could ever be embraced  by the electorate.

I don't think so,
Albanese doesn't have that prime-ministerial look about him.
He also speaks in a strange way.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 7:11am:

The Labor king-makers will dump Shorton, that's  a foregone conclusion.

When do you think that will happen, Homo?

Be specific.

Emma wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:18am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 11th, 2016 at 12:43am: juliar wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 11:21pm: Why didn't Albo Sneezy challenge Shorty at last week's Caucus meeting ? Because Labor gained all the seats that the Liberals lost?  That's a far greater win than forming a government of a couple of maybe's - who will vote with you as long as...The Price Is Right! Interesting times ahead. :)  The fact that DUTTON, as been PROMOTED, as a result of this election is ONE BIG BAD NEGATIVE. If Turnbull really had any say in HIS ( ::) ) Cabinet, the people who were complicit in the campaign SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED. I am saying... GET RID of DUTTON, if you want the public's confidence and TRUST. Get rid of Morrison,  a bulldozing waster of public confidence... Get rid of PYNE.. a waste of space, altogether Get rid of J BISHOP, a scheming lying mealy-mouthed pollie.. and nothing else. NOPE.. THIS GOVT is doomed already.  We now have the  Nazi - like Dutton on our SECURITY COMMITTEE. :o The man is a monster, along with Morrison they have done their very best to keep women and children in indefinite detention, at huge risk of abuse and torture,  at enormous cost to not only those refugees so unfortunate as to have become a political pawn in the 'fear' campaign run by the LNP, but also to the soul of Australia, and  it's economy. :P :-[. OUR CORE VALUES should NEVER ALLOW SUCH INJUSTICE to be visited on refugees. BUT THE LNP won govt on that fear-based campaign,, and this time round,  no-one said BOO. The white elephant in the room. No Minister of Govt can claim ANY superiority, when they keep these people in these concentration camps. IT IS Shameful, and UN AUSTRALIAN. COME ON OZ GOVT... act to do GOOD... NOT HARM.

Hard to disagree with most of that.

Well said.

Within the next 6 months.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 7:51am:

Within the next 6 months.

wake up to yourself

Why do you care, you voted for Pauline.
;D ;D ;D

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 7:56am:

Why do you care, you voted for Pauline. ;D ;D ;D

Are you trying to see how many things you get wrong in one morning?

Emma wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:18am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 11th, 2016 at 12:43am: juliar wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 11:21pm: Why didn't Albo Sneezy challenge Shorty at last week's Caucus meeting ? Because Labor gained all the seats that the Liberals lost?  That's a far greater win than forming a government of a couple of maybe's - who will vote with you as long as...The Price Is Right! Interesting times ahead. :)  The fact that DUTTON, as been PROMOTED, as a result of this election is ONE BIG BAD NEGATIVE. If Turnbull really had any say in HIS ( ::) ) Cabinet, the people who were complicit in the campaign SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED. I am saying... GET RID of DUTTON, if you want the public's confidence and TRUST. Get rid of Morrison,  a bulldozing waster of public confidence... Get rid of PYNE.. a waste of space, altogether Get rid of J BISHOP, a scheming lying mealy-mouthed pollie.. and nothing else. NOPE.. THIS GOVT is doomed already.  We now have the  Nazi - like Dutton on our SECURITY COMMITTEE. :o The man is a monster, along with Morrison they have done their very best to keep women and children in indefinite detention, at huge risk of abuse and torture,  at enormous cost to not only those refugees so unfortunate as to have become a political pawn in the 'fear' campaign run by the LNP, but also to the soul of Australia, and  it's economy. :P :-[. OUR CORE VALUES should NEVER ALLOW SUCH INJUSTICE to be visited on refugees. BUT THE LNP won govt on that fear-based campaign,, and this time round,  no-one said BOO. The white elephant in the room. No Minister of Govt can claim ANY superiority, when they keep these people in these concentration camps. IT IS Shameful, and UN AUSTRALIAN. COME ON OZ GOVT... act to do GOOD... NOT HARM.

what a bitter old lady you are.......can only believe your pension has been taken away from you...

concentration camps.. I bet anyone who lived through REAL  concentration camps would like to have a REAL chat with you. >:( >:( >:(

The reason that the ALP haven't  yet dumped Shorton already  is that they still haven't  woken up to the fact that they lost.  A bit  slow on the left...

Bobby. wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 7:15am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2016 at 7:11am: The Labor king-makers will dump Shorton, that's  a foregone conclusion. The only question  is whether Albanese, although a very accomplished minister, could ever be embraced  by the electorate. I don't think so, Albanese doesn't have that prime-ministerial look about him. He also speaks in a strange way.

He's a typical Italian boy.

A Mummy's boy.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 8:05am:

The reason that the ALP haven't  yet dumped Shorton already  is that they still haven't  woken up to the fact that they lost.  A bit  slow on the left...

Yep, the ALP are only just starting to realize they've been conned by the nong.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 7:51am:

Within the next 6 months.

That would first require a petition from at least 60% of the federal parliamentary Labor Party, wouldn't it?

How many people make up 60% of federal Labor now? Twenty, thirty?

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 8:26am:

How many people make up 60% of federal Labor now? Twenty, thirty?

You're telling the story, Homo.

Why would the ALP change leaders in the next 6 months?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 8:29am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2016 at 8:26am: How many people make up 60% of federal Labor now? Twenty, thirty? You're telling the story, Homo. Why would the ALP change leaders in the next 6 months?

I know the question was directed at someone else....but :

The ALP needs to find a REAL leader ASAP.

That union thug driven BS nong who led them down the garden path was the LAST thing they needed.

Laborites haven't  realised they've  lost yet. A day is a long time in politics, another three years in opposition!  That's  gotta hurt!

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 8:29am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2016 at 8:26am: How many people make up 60% of federal Labor now? Twenty, thirty? You're telling the story, Homo. Why would the ALP change leaders in the next 6 months?

Quite simple really haemorrhoid, if Labor had a capable leader, in view of the Liberals losing so many supporters because of Turnbull, Labor would have won the election.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 8:35am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2016 at 8:29am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2016 at 8:26am: How many people make up 60% of federal Labor now? Twenty, thirty? You're telling the story, Homo. Why would the ALP change leaders in the next 6 months? I know the question was directed at someone else....but : The ALP needs to find a REAL leader ASAP. That union thug driven BS nong who led them down the garden path was the LAST thing they needed.

I'm on the record as saying I've never been a Shorten fan.

However, he had the Government waiting 8 days to reclaim (a semblance of) power.

The Libs have lost seats.

Wyatt Roy is gone (still can't get the smile off my face).

Despite the odds, Shorten did an admirable job.

Who do you think will do a better job next time?

As i said, a bit slow on the left.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 8:18am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2016 at 7:51am: Within the next 6 months. That would first require a petition from at least 60% of the federal parliamentary Labor Party, wouldn't it?

I thought the figure was 75%

John Smith wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 9:11am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2016 at 8:18am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2016 at 7:51am: Within the next 6 months. That would first require a petition from at least 60% of the federal parliamentary Labor Party, wouldn't it? I thought the figure was 75%

75% if they are in government, 60% if they are in opposition.