Well we all know the Greens and Di Natale, keep pushing the crap that Green power is the way to go, that it brings more jobs to replace the old jobs etc...  Those of us who poo-pooed these claims and the ability of wind to replace cheaper coal power as base load capable etc, etc... are right.

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Warning of energy crisis to hit the nation The Australian July 16, 2016 Michael Owen An energy crisis in South Australia created by an over-reliance on untrustworthy and expensive wind and solar will force the state Labor government to seek greater access to cheaper coal-fired electricity from the eastern states. This comes amid rising concern that federal renewable ­energy targets will force other states down the path taken by South Australia, which has the highest and most variable energy prices in the national electricity grid. South Australian Treasurer Tom Koutsantonis, who is also the Energy Minister, yesterday put the eastern states on notice, vowing to “smash the national electricity market into a thousand pieces and start again”. He warned other states that the energy crisis was “coming to get them”. “This is coming to Victoria, this is coming to NSW ... every jurisdiction is facing what we’re facing now,” the Treasurer said. South Australian Labor’s ­admission that it needed urgent reform of the national energy market rules, so that in addition to upgrading connection with Victoria it also could tap into NSW baseload power, reveals the vulnerability of its reliance on ­renewables. The last coal-fired power stations in South Australia closed in May. Wind and solar make up more than 40 per cent of the state’s ­energy mix under a green policy agenda driven by Labor, in power in South Australia since 2002. Several major companies, ­including BHP Billiton and Arrium, this week warned Mr Koutsantonis of possible shutdowns because of high energy prices, forcing him to plead for a temporary power spike from a private owner of a mothballed gas-fired power plant. Private energy supplier ENGIE fired up its Pelican Point plant near Port Adelaide for a short time yesterday, bringing an extra 239 megawatts of power into the grid. Mr Koutsantonis said the federal government had encouraged South Australia, which has the best conditions for wind farms, to chase the energy source as part of Australia’s renewable energy target of about 24 per cent by 2020. “Wind is paid by the commonwealth to produce power ... if you are going to pay wind farms to produce electricity regardless of demand, you better make sure that is distributed equally across the country because you can’t have a national policy implicating just one state,” he said. He called on Malcolm Turnbull to immediately appoint an energy minister and schedule an urgent meeting of federal and state ministers to undertake ­energy market reform. “If you want a true national electricity market, you really need to have all of the states interconnected. “What we have is a series of state-based markets with very poor interconnection between them,’’ Mr Koutsantonis said. The market was supposed to integrate the east coast states with South Australia and Tasmania to allow the free flow of electricity across borders via a ­series of interconnecters, he said. It excludes West Australia and the Northern Territory. An upgraded interconnecter with Victoria is scheduled for completion next month, and South Australia also wants a larger interconnecter with NSW, at a cost of between $300 million and $700m. “Victoria has multiple markets it can draw from; we have one, NSW has two and Queensland has one. That’s not a national electricity market,” he said.

Right so SA wants us all to share the renewable burden and higher electricity prices....  in NSW if our electricity prices go up much more we'll all be living back in the stoneage.

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Rush to wind forcing power prices up, say SA Liberals The Australian July 15, 2016 Michael Owen The traditional manufacturing state of South Australia, with the worst jobless rate in the country, is paying the highest ­prices in the national electricity market. South Australia’s lack of access to low-cost coal, an exposure to higher wholesale gas prices and an absence of competition in conventional power generation was to blame, analysts said. The state’s Liberal oppos­ition has pointed the finger at the Labor’s government’s “overzealous rush into wind power” that it said was driving base-load electricity providers out of the market, pointing to the closure this year of the coal-fired Port Augusta power stations. Soaring electricity prices in South Australia have seen up to 10 major manufacturers, including BHP Billiton, Arrium and Nyrstar, approach Treasurer Tom Koutsantonis to warn of production shutdowns unless the government intervened. As a result, an extra 239 megawatts of power will come on line from today after private energy supplier Engie agreed to fire up a previously mothballed generator at Pelican Point, near Port Adelaide. Spot power prices for South Australia have risen to more than seven times that of the Victorian price and almost eight that in NSW during the past week. Mr Koutsantonis said yesterday the energy crisis had arisen because of a shortage of electricity being supplied to the state through an interconnector with Victoria, compounded by a ­planned outage at the Heywood Interconnector for upgrade work, higher gas prices and wild storms. “A confluence of remarkable events has led to incredible volatility in the spot market over ­recent days, which has resulted in higher electricity prices and put pressure on South Australian businesses, some of whom have raised their concerns with me,” he said. “Engie has brought addition­al generation at Pelican Point ­online after I approached them with the request. No amount has been paid to Engie to increase generation.” Mr Koutsantonis said the situation was “another example of the failure of the so-called national energy market”. The state had allocated $500,000 in last week’s budget for a feasibility study into greater inter­connection of energy supply between South Australia and the eastern states, and asked the federal government to assist, he said. This came as South Australia’s unemployment rate surged to 7 per cent last month, well above the 5.8 per cent national rate. Business SA and the opposition said a lack of power security, stab­ility and price competitiveness would only lengthen job queues. “If there are manufacturers that are considering South Australia and looking at another state where it is more cost-competitive, then they’re going to go there,” Business SA’s Anthony Penney said yesterday. “Businesses in this state, particularly our manufacturers, our energy intensive industries, have been telling us for a while that energy prices are getting out of control. “Right now, renewables in South Australia make up over 40 per cent of the energy, without the technology to effectively store the power being generated.” Australian Energy Regulator data shows power prices in South Australia during the next two years will be 34 per cent higher than the national average and 69 per cent higher than Victoria.

Grendel wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 6:02pm:

Well we all know the Greens and Di Natale, keep pushing the crap that Green power is the way to go, that it brings more jobs to replace the old jobs etc...  Those of us who poo-pooed these claims and the ability of wind to replace cheaper coal power as base load capable etc, etc... are right.

Can you provide a link to support this assertion? I don't accept the premise that the Greens - or anyone else in Federal politics - is making the specific claim that wind power on its own is capable of base load power in Australia.

The Australian is a completely committed backer of fossil fuels.   For Wind to be considered untrustworthy, is to ignore the several thousands years we have used it...    ::)

Surely coal is one of our competitive advantages, especially in relation to power generation, while renewables only survive on the back of huge subsidies.
And the consumer and business pay for the dreams of a handful of voters.

survive on the back of huge subsidies

I think being able to dump CO2 without a cost is a subsidy

Yes power privatisation is a wonderful thing ????

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 7:47am:

Surely coal is one of our competitive advantages, especially in relation to power generation, while renewables only survive on the back of huge subsidies. And the consumer and business pay for the dreams of a handful of voters.

It is disingenuous to be complaining about subsidies for renewable energy when we spend billions in Australia each year subsidising fossil fuels. A balanced discussion must acknowledge this fact.

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 7:47am:

Surely coal is one of our competitive advantages

Leave the coal in the ground. We will need it in about 50,000 to 100,000 years when we need to stave off the next ice age.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 11:50pm:

The Australian is a completely committed backer of fossil fuels.   For Wind to be considered untrustworthy, is to ignore the several thousands years we have used it...    ::)

Really bwian imagine you shooting the messenger and ignoring the facts...
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Bam wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 10:52am:

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 17th, 2016 at 7:47am: Surely coal is one of our competitive advantages Leave the coal in the ground. We will need it in about 50,000 to 100,000 years when we need to stave off the next ice age.

Actually we are due for an ice age about now bam aren't we?

Bam wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 10:51am:

It is disingenuous to be complaining about subsidies for renewable energy when we spend billions in Australia each year subsidising fossil fuels. A balanced discussion must acknowledge this fact.

What are these "subsidies"? The things the IMF call subsidies? Those things that are counted towards deductions like capital allowances, depreciation? Can't renewables be accused of using these "subsidies" too?

miketrees wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 8:05am:

survive on the back of huge subsidies I think being able to dump CO2 without a cost is a subsidy

You mean that same CO2 that is being given to grower for free?

Greenies in denial again.

SA and Tassie are testament to the Greenies sabotaging stupidity.

Today the Greenies are an endangered species headed towards extinction.

Their ONLY supporters are the inner city queers and drug addicts.

Once during Bob Brown's days the Greenies stood for trees and endangered cane toads and rabbits and things.

Today the Greenies are just puppets of the United Nations trying to push the UN One World Govt and Agenda 21 rubbish.

The carbon dioxide rubbish is now well proven to be just a GIGANTIC HOAX designed to fraudulently get money for the UN.

Windy turbines are an expensive high maintenance bird killing monstrosity which is inefficient and unreliable and CANNOT support heavy industry which requires reliable 24/7 power. And who pays to replace them when they wear out in about 20 years ?

Now you all know why the Greenies keep trying to close down all the heavy industry in Australia.

How will SA build the subs without reliable electric power ? The slimy Greenies want SA to lose the sub building contract and they want to close the steel manufacturing in Whyalla.

The Greenies are just obtuse vermin that needs to be exterminated real soon.

lee wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 11:38am:

Bam wrote on Jul 17th, 2016 at 10:51am: It is disingenuous to be complaining about subsidies for renewable energy when we spend billions in Australia each year subsidising fossil fuels. A balanced discussion must acknowledge this fact. What are these "subsidies"? The things the IMF call subsidies? Those things that are counted towards deductions like capital allowances, depreciation? Can't renewables be accused of using these "subsidies" too?

Is this for real? They describe normal business expenses (& therefore tax deductions) as "subsidies"?
When did these bodies like the IMF fall under the control of the left-wing and when can they be returned to the management of sensible people?

The IMF is part of the United Nations which is unbelievably corrupt.

Yes Juliar we have détente....The United Nations is the most corrupt organisation in the world!

red baron wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 2:28pm:

Yes Juliar we have détente....The United Nations is the most corrupt organisation in the world!

Is that because Julie Bishop got a seat on the security council???

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/julie-bishop-then-and-now-on-bidding-for-a-seat-on-the-united-nations-security-council-20150929-gjxqax.html

::) ::) ::)

Grendel wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 11:20am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2016 at 11:50pm: The Australian is a completely committed backer of fossil fuels.   For Wind to be considered untrustworthy, is to ignore the several thousands years we have used it...    ::) Really bwian imagine you shooting the messenger and ignoring the facts... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I am pointing out the dangers of believe a single source which is tainted, Grendel.   The "facts" you accuse me of ignoring are only inconvenient if we ignore the facts about Fossil fuel usage.   Are you prepared to do that?    ::)

juliar wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 2:26pm:

The IMF is part of the United Nations which is unbelievably corrupt.

The IMF is not a part of the UN and I am unsure where you got the belief otherwise.  It is controlled by it's own member nations, not the UN.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 7:05pm:

juliar wrote on Jul 17th, 2016 at 2:26pm: The IMF is part of the United Nations which is unbelievably corrupt. The IMF is not a part of the UN and I am unsure where you got the belief otherwise.  It is controlled by it's own member nations, not the UN.    ::)

Wrong. 'Unlike the General Assembly of the United Nations, where each country has one vote, decision making at the IMF was designed to reflect the relative positions of its member countries in the global economy.'

http://www.imf.org/external/about.htm

It is controlled by the larger members.

'The International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World Bank are institutions in the United Nations system.'

http://www.imf.org/external/np/exr/facts/imfwb.htm

'Tax subsidies exist if taxes for energy are below their efficient level. This has two components. First, energy should be taxed the same way as any other consumer product . If energy taxes are lower than this, there is a tax subsidy. Second, some energy products contribute to pollution and global warming— efficient taxation requires that the price of  energy should reflect these adverse effects on society. In most countries, taxes on energy fall far short of this, implying the full costs of consuming energy are not reflected in its price, as it should when energy is priced right'

https://www.imf.org/external/np/fad/subsidies/pdf/note.pdf

They do noyt include any beneficial effects.

juliar wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 2:05pm:

Greenies in denial again. SA and Tassie are testament to the Greenies sabotaging stupidity. Today the Greenies are an endangered species headed towards extinction. Their ONLY supporters are the inner city queers and drug addicts. Once during Bob Brown's days the Greenies stood for trees and endangered cane toads and rabbits and things. Today the Greenies are just puppets of the United Nations trying to push the UN One World Govt and Agenda 21 rubbish. The carbon dioxide rubbish is now well proven to be just a GIGANTIC HOAX designed to fraudulently get money for the UN. Windy turbines are an expensive high maintenance bird killing monstrosity which is inefficient and unreliable and CANNOT support heavy industry which requires reliable 24/7 power. And who pays to replace them when they wear out in about 20 years ? Now you all know why the Greenies keep trying to close down all the heavy industry in Australia. How will SA build the subs without reliable electric power ? The slimy Greenies want SA to lose the sub building contract and they want to close the steel manufacturing in Whyalla. The Greenies are just obtuse vermin that needs to be exterminated real soon.

you do have a lovely turn of phrase

Now back to Greenie ravaged and plundered Sth Aust which is slowly discovering that the toy Greenie windymills are pretty useless, you know a bit like the Greenies.


South Australia – Wind Powered Train Wreck: Power Supply Chaos Strands Thousands of Commuters
May 8, 2016 by stopthesethings 9 Comments

South Australia’s wind powered economy is a picture of reliability (see above and below)
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In its capital, Adelaide, for 2 days in row (28 and 29 April) thousands of hopeful commuters were left to their own devices, as wild variations in wind power output wrecked the power supply to its Seaford/Tonsley electric train line.

We’ll hand over briefly to what passes for journalism in SA to get (as usual) half of the story.
Free ride to pay for train line closure Tim Williams Sunday Mail 1 May 2016

TRAIN passengers who use the lines affected by the electric rail shutdown on Thursday and Friday will ride for free one day this week as compensation.
A fault with a circuit breaker on the Seaford line produced a power outage that caused chaos for commuters on the Seaford and Tonsley lines, with knock-on effects on the Grange line, forcing many to rely on substitute buses or old diesel trains.
Transport Minister Stephen Mullighan yesterday repeated his thanks to commuters for their patience.
“We not only provided some free services (on Friday), substitute services, but we are intending to have a free travel day for those affected lines coming in the week,” he said.
Mr Mullighan said teams of engineers from his department and contractor Siemens were reviewing the “highly unusual” power outage at the Lonsdale substation, where both primary and secondary power feeds failed. An independent investigator will also be appointed.
Mr Mullighan said it was normally possible to switch “seamlessly” between the two power feeds, as had been done four times in the past year.
“Yes, a circuit-breaker did fail but that’s what they are designed to do. It’s highly unusual that separate power feeds coming in from separate parts of the SA Power Networks electricity network were unavailable at the same time.”Mr Mullighan said taxpayers would not have to foot the bill for repairs. Siemens would be asked to fix the substation and prevent future outages.
Sunday Mail
So just how “highly unusual” was the power outage suffered? And what caused it?
South Australia is referred to as Australia’s ‘Wind Power Capital’. Its 1,477MW of wind power capacity is said to equate to around 40% of total generating capacity (a figure soon to increase if Alinta’s Port Augusta Power Plants close, as threatened).
With its attempt to rely on the weather for power, SA has witnessed Statewide blackouts – when wind power output collapses on a total, and totally unpredictable basis: Wind Industry’s Armageddon: Wind Farm Output Collapse Leaves 110,000 South Australian Homes & Businesses Powerless
And short of complete collapses, SA’s grid has become increasingly unstable, with massive and wild fluctuations in wind power output wrecking the security of supply (not to mention the small matter of rocketing power prices).
South Australians are learning to live with daily ‘load-shedding’, that – as we reported previously – even its premier academic institutions have to suffer, along with thousands of other businesses and households. This telling little email from UniSA’s management was flicked to us by one of our SA operatives (who just happens to be an engineer):
email ML
The source of the “failure to the incoming electricity supply” was, as our engineer contact informs us, all about ‘grid instability’, caused by SA’s chaotic, intermittent and unreliable wind power supply.
Our contact also tells us that UniSA’s Mawson Lakes campus (located north of Adelaide and south of Salisbury) had been experiencing frequent supply ‘interruptions’ and wholesale blackouts for months prior to the email notice above. Air-conditioners no longer functioned; lectures were cancelled; the campus would go into “lock-down”; and the power surges and erratic supply damaged electrical equipment and appliances, as well as distribution systems on campus.
The cost of repairing or replacing appliances, equipment or electrical systems – due to erratic wind power supplies (and the power surges, grid instability and consequent grid management chaos that comes with intermittent wind power) – is just another cost that gets brushed aside by one-eyed wind-worshippers.
So too the cost of having thousands of commuters stranded: a result due to the entirely erratic output from wind power, which has turned an otherwise stable supply – essential to run electric trains (and everything else we rely on, for that matter) – totally feral (as we detail below).

Read more in the LINK
https://stopthesethings.com/2016/05/08/south-australia-wind-powered-train-wreck-power-supply-chaos-strands-thousands-of-commuters/

How the Greenie vandals sabotage Australian industry.



South Australia’s Wind Power Nightmare Crushing its Biggest Employers
July 17, 2016 by stopthesethings 1 Comment

For over 3½ years, STT has been warning about the pending social and economic disaster in Australia’s so-called “wind power capital”, South Australia.
A few weeks back we covered yet another crippling 12% hike in retail power prices, to be suffered by cash-strapped South Australian households; those who, of course, aren’t among the tens of thousands that have already been cut from the grid, unable to pay their escalating bills.

In the meantime, South Australia’s largest employers – energy hungry outfits like Nyrstar’s lead and zinc smelter at Port Pirie; Arrium’s steelworks at Whyalla; BHP Billiton’s giant Olympic Dam copper and uranium mine; and Adelaide Brighton Cement at Port Adelaide – are being belted by spot prices starting at over $1,000 per MWh and which frequently hit the market price cap of $13,800 per MWh.  Those figures compare with prices received by scheduled, base-load generators of between $45-70 per MWh.

South Australia’s chaotic electricity supply and pricing disaster – from which there is no escape – is the direct product of the Federal Government’s Large-Scale Renewable Energy Target – designed as a $45 billion tax on all Australian electricity consumers, returned as a subsidy in the form of Renewable Energy Certificates (or LGCs) to wind power outfits (see our post here).

The LRET has two key effects on SA’s power market (and will have the same effect in any of the other States that are stupid enough to follow its lead).

First, is the fixed and guaranteed price paid to wind power outfits when the wind is blowing – at around $110 per MW, almost three times the rates charged by conventional base-load generators.
Second, is the rampant price gouging that takes place when wind power output collapses on a total and totally unpredictable basis.  See our complete analysis here: South Australians Locked in Wind Power Price Disaster: Retail Prices Jump Another 12%

If any State or Country wants an insight into what a wind powered future looks like, then look no further than South Australia.
Over the next few posts we will focus on the greatest energy debacle ever seen in Australian history.  The mainstream media have finally caught up with the scale and scope of the disaster in SA: Adelaide’s The Advertiser and national broadsheet, The Australian have been running a series of front-page articles detailing the quagmire in which SA now wallows (we’ll pick up on those stories shortly).

But first, we’ll turn to the Australian Financial Review’s, Ben Potter who has been on the scent for months now.
Arrium hit by solar, wind energy prices
Australian Financial Review Ben Potter 29 June 2016
Rising energy prices fuelled by South Australia’s ambitious renewable energy target have helped send stricken Whyalla steelmaker Arrium cap in hand to governments seeking $150 million-plus in taxpayer aid.

Higher energy prices may have added as much as $12 million to Arrium’s annual costs, with rising gas prices and South Australia’s wind and solar power among the main culprits.

South Australia’s Labor government has pledged $50 million, federal Labor leader Bill Shorten has offered $100 million if he wins and Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has countered with a $49 million loan.

Arrium’s former board blamed its problems on global overcapacity in steelmaking – which has sparked a trade war. The company called in administrators in April after it failed to refinance its $2.8 billion debts.

But surging energy prices, fuelled by South Australia’s 40 per cent share of renewables, have also had a role.

On Tuesday, Mr Shorten declined to guarantee that federal Labor’s target for 50 per cent renewables in 2030 would not send the rest of Australia down the path followed by South Australia, which has the highest and most variable energy prices in the national electricity grid.
Mr Shorten also declined to say whether Labor would formally expand the Renewable Energy Target in order to increase renewables to 50 per cent of the energy mix.
“When you look at how else we can improve renewable energy as a mix, we do it by creating investment certainty,” he told reporters in Canberra.

Arrium’s administrator Mark Mentha said the steelmaker paid an average $71 a megawatt hour for electricity on the spot market in South Australia last year, spending $29 million on electricity for iron mining and steelmaking at Whyalla, South Middleback Ranges and Iron Knob.

That’s about $8 million more than the same amount of electricity would cost in Victoria and NSW, or would have cost a couple of years ago in South Australia. As well, the price Arrium pays for natural gas at Whyalla has surged from just under $5 a gigajoule to just under $6 a gigajoule, lifting its annual gas bill to about $24 million from about $20 million.


To read the rest go to the LINK

How the Greenie hoodlums starve industry of affordable power.

https://stopthesethings.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/blackout-e1446938796178.jpg
So, this is what a wind powered ‘future’ looks like …


South Australians Locked in Wind Power Price Disaster: Retail Prices Jump Another 12%
June 20, 2016 by stopthesethings 4 Comments

SA’s Treasurer, Tom Koutsantonis: plays deaf to economic reality.

South Australia is an economic basket case, thanks, in no small part, to its obsession with wind power.

Power prices are spiralling out of control. Back in March SA’s businesses were belted with a 90% hike in their bills, that left manufacturers, miners and other power hungry businesses reeling: Wind Power Costs Crushing South Australian Businesses: Firms Hit with 90% Price Hike

Now residential customers have just been whacked by AGL, with a 12% power price hike (with a whole lot worse to come).  What passes for journalism in SA pitched up the following half-baked ‘analysis’ on the causes of what portends to be a social and economic disaster (STT fills in the gaps a little later).

State’s largest energy retailer, AGL, set to hike electricity bill prices
The AdvertiserDavid Nankervis 15 June 2016

AGL customers will be hit by a big price hike.
THE state’s largest energy retailer, AGL, will slug its customers with an average annual hike of $228 on their electricity bill.
The 12 per cent price hike applies from next month and will have a massive impact as around half the state’s householders are AGL electricity customers.
The price hike has prompted urgent calls from welfare groups for householders to shop around for cheaper deals and save hundreds of dollars a year.
SA Council of Social Services executive director Ross Womersley said he was surprised at the price hike and didn’t understand the rationale behind it.
“No doubt this decision comes at an extraordinary time with householders having just seen savings in network charges of around $140 a year,” Mr Womersley said.
State Treasurer Tom Koutsantonis, himself an AGL customer, also urged customers to shop around. He said the price rise was unjustified and “a dramatic increase for South Australian families”.
In a statement issued this morning, AGL said the price rise was “mainly driven by the cost and availability of coal and gas supply for electricity generation as well as the changing mix of generation output”.
It added that the closure of the coal fired Port Augusta power stations “has contributed to the price changes”.

Opposition energy spokesman Dan van Holst Pellekaan blamed the Government’s promotion of renewable energy for the price rise.
“Labor’s flawed electricity policy led to the closure of the Port Augusta Power Station and now the Weatherill Government is proposing to spend hundreds of millions of taxpayers dollars upgrading an interconnector so it can import coal-generated electricity from Victoria,” he said.
AGL said the average weekly electricity bill increase would be $4.40 per week but this would vary “substantially depending on a customer’s tariff type, their usage, and their existing energy plan”.
The company also warned that new fees for over-the-counter payments and the issuing of paper bills would apply from October 2016.

The Advertiser power-bill
Treasurer Tom Koutsantonis says it’s time to shop around, so let’s see what’s on offer with the other retailers … well, let’s go shopping …
AGL and Origin both set to hike electricity bill prices
The Advertiser David Nankervis 15 June 2016
Ouch! State’s largest power retailer to increase prices
ENERGY retailer Origin will increase electricity bills by 6.5 per cent or $117 a year.
The decision comes on top of AGL’s announcement on Wednesday of a 12 per cent — or $228 a year — increase for electricity as welfare agencies warned more retailers were likely to hike their prices.
Energy Australia refused to rule out price rises when contacted by The Advertiser.
But AGL gas customers will receive good news on Thursday when the retailer announces an average $100-a-year cut to gas bills.
The price rises from the state’s two biggest energy retailers take effect from next month.
St Vincent de Paul researcher Gavin Dufty said “all the retailers will change their prices”.
“You can guarantee the other companies will follow like pigs to a trough,” he said.
Uniting Communities spokesman Mark Henley said he “had no doubt the other retailers will be increasing their prices”.
The price hikes have prompted urgent calls from welfare groups for householders to shop around for cheaper deals to save hundreds of dollars a year.
SA Council of Social Services executive director Ross Womersley said he was surprised at the price hike and “didn’t understand the rationale” behind the increases.
“No doubt these decisions come at an extraordinary time with householders having just seen savings in network charges of around $140 a year,” Mr Womersley said.
Treasurer Tom Koutsantonis, himself an AGL customer, also urged customers to shop around and potentially save hundreds of dollars on their electricity bills.

Read the rest in the LINK
https://stopthesethings.com/2016/06/20/south-australians-locked-in-wind-power-price-disaster-retail-prices-jump-another-12/

lee wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2016 at 7:05pm: juliar wrote on Jul 17th, 2016 at 2:26pm: The IMF is part of the United Nations which is unbelievably corrupt. The IMF is not a part of the UN and I am unsure where you got the belief otherwise.  It is controlled by it's own member nations, not the UN.    ::) Wrong. 'Unlike the General Assembly of the United Nations, where each country has one vote, decision making at the IMF was designed to reflect the relative positions of its member countries in the global economy.' http://www.imf.org/external/about.htm It is controlled by the larger members. 'The International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World Bank are institutions in the United Nations system.' http://www.imf.org/external/np/exr/facts/imfwb.htm

They are not part of the United Nations Organisation nor are they held responsible by the UN.   

Only coal can save Sth Aust from the Greenie vandals and hoodlums.




South Australia’s Wind Power Chaos: Victoria’s Coal-Fired Plant its Only Salvation
June 5, 2016 by stopthesethings 6 Comments

Wind cultists have been making the brazen claim that the rampant proliferation of these things in South Australia led to the demise of Alinta’s coal-fired plant at Port Augusta.

The perverse economics of the LRET (and the market distortions of directing RECs – currently worth $80 – to a ‘product’ with NO commercial value) is the culprit, not electricity supplied at crazy random intervals, which, in SA, wind power operators actually pay the grid manager up to $20 per MWh to take, on those occasions when the wind hits its straps for a few hours at a stretch (see our post here).

Without subsidies, conventional generators can’t possibly give power away to ‘compete’ on those terms; not if they want to remain solvent, that is.

The wind cult is also pedalling the myth that, with the closure of Port Augusta, CO2 emissions will plummet and, ergo, we will all be saved from imminent global incineration. As with most mantras, it’s more about the faithful’s beliefs, rather than unassailable facts and their inevitable consequences.

As STT has pointed out, just once or twice, if CO2 gas is the existential threat we’re led to believe, then wind power is as sensible as throwing petrol on a raging fire.

In this In Daily piece, Mike Sandiford (Professor of Geology at the University of Melbourne) points out that, from hereon, South Australians will be importing (via interconnectors) the dispatchable supply, once provided from the coal-fired plant at Port Augusta, from another dispatchable supply; namely coal-fired plant located in Victoria’s Latrobe Valley.

Despite the anti-fossil fuel squad’s momentary cheering, the fact is that, from now on, South Australians will largely be powered by Victorian coal: except, of course, on those – increasingly likely – occasions when wind power output totally collapses (on a totally unpredictable basis – see above), the interconnectors hit their thermal limits, overload and fail – leaving them lit by candles (see our post here).

In the result, rather than CO2 emissions falling, they’re just as likely to rise.

Why Port Augusta shutdown won’t reduce carbon emissions
In Daily Mike Sandiford 12 May 2016

At 9.40 am local time on Monday May 9th the turbines at Alinta’s 520 megawatt Northern Power Station at Port Augusta disconnected from the grid for the last time.
And with it ended more than 50 years of coal-fired power generation in South Australia.
But Northern’s shutdown does not mean that South Australian power supply is coal-free, and it is unlikely to mean that its power consumption is less carbon-intensive, at least in the short term.

[South Australian power dispatch as a percentage of total coloured by fuel type for the period ~ 5:00 am May 9 through to 10 am Monday 10th. Data sourced from AEMO. Units in megawatts. Time is in NEM-time corresponding Australian Eastern Standard time. The vertical dashed line marks the shutting off of the Northern Power station, and the last coal dispatch within South Australia.]
Not long after Northern shutdown, other lights went out across South Australia as storms left a trail of destruction across the network – the weather gods seemingly whipped into a frenzy of excitement.
By early the following morning a new benchmark had been set with wind-power touching 90% of the dispatch onto the South Australian grid.

[South Australian power dispatch as a percentage of total coloured by fuel type for the period ~ 5:00 am May 9 through to 10 am Monday 10th. Data sourced from AEMO.]
The electricity market followed suit, with spot prices rising to $400 per megawatt hour as Northern’s last turbine was shut down, to $480 shortly after, before descending as low as -$34 the following morning.

[5-minute spot prices for the period ~ 5:00 am May 9th through to 10 am May 10th, coloured by NEM region. Units are dollars per megawatt hour. Data sourced from AEMO.]
With power flows across the nation responding to the changing circumstances in South Australia, connected markets followed the merry dance. Across the mainland states, wholesale prices averaged a bit over $90 per megawatt hour across the 29 hour period shown here, about double what we would expect for a typical Autumn weekday. Natural gas did particularly well, returning an average of more than $100 in each of the mainland jurisdictions.

[Volume-weighted wholesale power prices for the period ~ 5:00 am May 9 through to 10 am Monday 10th, by region and by fuel type. Units are dollars per megawatt hour. Data sourced from AEMO.]

To read rest go to the LINK
https://stopthesethings.com/2016/06/05/south-australias-wind-power-chaos-victorias-coal-fired-plant-its-only-salvation/

Sth Aust is the soggy slops that is the result of cooking up the Greenies' recipe.




South Australia: Proving Wind Power a Recipe for Social & Economic Disaster
May 29, 2016 by stopthesethings 4 Comments

The image above is taken from the Collins Picture Dictionary under the definition of ‘chaos‘: complete confusion and disorder : a state in which behavior and events are not controlled by anything.
To be fair, South Australia’s power supply is ‘controlled’ ……  ‘controlled’ by the vagaries of the weather, that is.

Renewables alone a recipe for blackouts
Australian Financial Review Ben Potter 17 May 2016

Australia faces potential blackouts and poor jobs and environmental outcomes if it relies solely on the Renewable Energy Target, a new report says.
South Australia’s energy security problems show the risks for the nation of promoting wind and solar energy in a surplus electricity market without a firm plan for an orderly phase-out of coal-fired stations, it says.

The report is a challenge to federal Labor, which has an aggressive 50 per cent Renewable Energy Target (RET) for 2030 with an undefined carbon price policy, but also the Turnbull government, which is sitting pat on the current RET of about 25 per cent by 2020.

“South Australia is at the forefront of an [unplanned] energy transition”, the report by Tim King, energy policy director at the anti-fossil fuel Institute for Energy Economics and Financial Analysis, says.

Wind and rooftop solar energy will make up about 48 per cent of the state’s electricity generation after this month’s closure of Alinta’s Northern coal power station, well on the way to Labor’s 50 per cent target, it says.

But the rapid growth of renewable energy has triggered abrupt and “surprising” early closures such as Northern, and the state could now be mainly dependent on wind and solar energy for substantial periods of the year.
“In the absence of any meaningful battery storage, the key risk in these developments is energy security,” the report says. Mr King is a former Deutsche Bank Australasia managing director and head of company research.
If replicated nationally, Australia’s National Electricity Market faces “a disorderly transition resulting in the potential for blackouts and poor social and environmental outcomes”, says the report.

Sub-Critical Australia: Risks from Market Imbalance in the Australian National Electricity Market calls for an orderly phase-out of coal power stations “that allows stakeholders to prepare for the inevitable transition to a cleaner electricity system”.
Over-reliance on the RET will have the result of low cost but heavily carbon-intensive brown coal power stations staying in business while less polluting but more costly black coal plant is retired, the report says.

The Australian Energy Market Operator (AEMO) said last year supply in South Australia should remain reliable as long as the Heywood high-voltage interconnector to Victoria’s brown coal power stations is running, but a statewide outage is possible in a “low probability” worst-case scenario of Heywood failing and no other baseload power being available.

The Weatherill state government has been working on a policy to alleviate the security and stability issues created by its heavy dependence on wind and solar since December.
But time is running out for Nyrstar, the Belgian metals group which is due to recommission the Port Pirie smelter midyear after spending $500 million to refurbish it, part-guaranteed from the SA government. SA futures prices for 2017 and 2018 are $82-89 a megawatt hour, about twice Victorian and NSW levels.

The IEEFA report is the second in a month from clean-energy advocates to acknowledge that increasing the RET on its own, without broader policies to hasten the closure of coal power stations and manage the shocks to the electricity market and regional employment, is a recipe for instability.

The Climate Institute said in a report last month that the SA government and AEMO had been too slow to respond to “changes on the ground” ahead of policy responses.
The institute said even with a carbon price renewables would continue to require subsidies of as much as $2.7 billion a year, and total costs of moving to a zero-carbon economy could be as high as $276 billion over 30 years.

Australian Financial Review
Jay Weatherill has a ‘plan’. General Custer had a ‘plan’, too…

Nice effort, Ben! He is probably the only AFR reporter with something like a clue about power generation and markets, but his sub-editor did him a disservice with the headline ‘Renewables alone a recipe for blackouts’, which would have been on the money had it simply read ‘Renewables a recipe for blackouts’.

Read rest in LINK
https://stopthesethings.com/2016/05/29/south-australia-proving-wind-power-a-recipe-for-social-economic-disaster/

The International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World Bank are institutions in the United Nations system.

They share the same goal of raising living standards in their member countries.

Their approaches to this goal are complementary, with the IMF focusing on macroeconomic issues and the World Bank concentrating on long-term economic development and poverty reduction.

http://www.imf.org/external/np/exr/facts/imfwb.htm




List of specialized agencies of the United Nations
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Specialized agencies are autonomous organizations working with the United Nations and each other through the coordinating machinery of the United Nations Economic and Social Council at the intergovernmental level, and through the Chief Executives Board for coordination (CEB) at the inter-secretariat level.

Specialized agencies may or may not have been originally created by the United Nations, but they are incorporated into the United Nations System by the United Nations Economic and Social Council acting under Articles 57 and 63 of the United Nations Charter.

At present the UN has in total specialized agencies that carry out various functions on behalf of the UN.

The specialized agencies are listed below.

Contents
1      Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO)
2      International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO)
3      International Fund for Agricultural Development (IFAD)
4      International Labour Organization (ILO)
5      International Maritime Organization (IMO)
6      International Monetary Fund (IMF)
7      International Telecommunication Union (ITU)
8      United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO)
9      United Nations Industrial Development Organization (UNIDO)
10      Universal Postal Union (UPU)
11      World Bank Group (WBG)
11.1      International Bank for Reconstruction and Development (IBRD)
11.2      International Finance Corporation (IFC)
11.3      International Development Association (IDA)
12      World Health Organization (WHO)
13      World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO)
14      World Meteorological Organization (WMO)
15      World Tourism Organization (UNWTO)
16      Former specialized agencies
17      Related organizations
17.1      Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization Preparatory Commission
17.2      International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA)
17.3      Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons
17.4      World Trade Organization (WTO)
18      Summary
19      See also
20      References
21      External links

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_specialized_agencies_of_the_United_Nations

All normal straight Australians should give thanks to the Lord Above that Stuffit Shorten DID NOT GET IN and wreck the joint.



Labor to Throw $200bn to the Wind: Electricity Bill Shorten’s Economic Suicide Pact Unpacked
May 16, 2016 by stopthesethings 7 Comments

https://stopthesethings.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/bill-shorten-e1411014453400.jpg
Electricity Bill Shorten: Certified Economy Killer

In the cutting British satire, Extras, the hapless Andy Millman (Ricky Gervais) is always foiled by his gormless but lovable side-kick, Maggie Jacobs (Ashley Jensen).
Maggie, when she’s not inadvertently ruining Andy’s romantic hopes and/or acting career prospects, poses puzzling rhetoricals such as “would you rather be trampled by elephants or eaten by lions?”

Following Maggie’s lead, STT poses the following:
“would you rather have your economic future destroyed by a $45 billion electricity tax, designed to subsidise the construction of another 6,000 of these things; or a $90 billion electricity tax, designed to subsidise the construction of another 12,000 of them?”

Unfortunately, unlike Maggie’s death by elephant or lion conundrum, with STT’s poser there isn’t any way of avoiding one or the other.  Here, it’s the ‘choice’ that Australians face at the upcoming Federal election: or as Maggie might put it, “would you rather be run over by a steam-roller, once or twice?”

Terry McCrann and Alan Moran detail the ‘Maggie Jacob’s options’ faced by Australian voters, as follows.

Long and Bill Shorten of it: be afraid
The Australian Terry McCrann 7 May 2016
This is the budget which announces that Australia is now ungovernable. That the system — that messy mix of politics and policymaking — is simply incapable of making the necessary changes to put the country on even a sustainable, far less a dynamic, growth path.
That’s in a sense the ‘good,’ or perhaps rather the ‘least worst’, news; for the other major thought from the week is that it might be time to be afraid, to be really afraid.

Opposition leader Bill Shorten gave a very impressive budget reply speech on Thursday night, in my judgment. That’s in and only in political terms. In substance it was both shamelessly and sweepingly dishonest and breathtakingly unhinged from fiscal and economic reality.
Unless, that is, you really think we can raise tens of billions of extra dollars every year forever from that fiscal Aladdin’s Cave — ‘the top 1 per cent’ — to throw at every perceived problem and interest group. Or alternatively, that even bigger future budget deficits than are already in prospect don’t matter.

If that is not horrifying enough, almost a wilfully deliberate determination to turn Australia into the Greece of the South Pacific, Shorten’s overarching coup de destruction is the total insanity, restated aggressively on Thursday night, of the commitment to 50 per cent renewable energy by 2030.

This would at the same time dramatically increase the cost of power to all Australians — probably as much as four times; devastate business across the board; and add billions of dollars to our current account deficit, already running at $80 billion a year, and to our foreign debt, already above $1 trillion, as we write out cheques to ‘Nigerians’ and other emission-permit providing main-chancers.

Apart from the fact that even getting to 50 per cent renewable energy in just 14 years is completely impossible — unless we chose ‘the Venezuelan route’ of literally turning off the lights, so that it would be 50 per cent of a much smaller figure than we currently use.
Such that we had an ‘Earth Hour’ every second hour, say, imposed on us.

Right now we get barely 14 per cent of our total electricity from renewables. So getting to 50 per cent doesn’t sound that hard: you might think, we ‘only’ need to triple it?

Well, think again, about 8 per cent of that 14 per cent comes from the now ‘dirty’ renewable of hydro. We ain’t going to build any more hydro dams; so in the weird space that passes for Shorten’s brain, wind and solar have to go from about 6 per cent to 42 per cent. They have to increase sevenfold, and in just 14 years.

Further, that’s the output they have to produce, given their, ahem, intermittency. We would probably have to build something like 10 times the number of windmills that currently, so uselessly, despoil the countryside.
And even then, we’d still have to keep the coal or gas-fired power stations open because, when the wind don’t blow and the sun don’t shine, the power don’t flow.

That’s why I say, be afraid, be very afraid, because that combination of political slickness and total dishonesty could very well win the election.
This is so, especially against a Prime Minister who is quite frankly and simply a dud; and whose total ineptness at retail politics is going to be on display for eight long, cringingly awful, weeks. …
The Australian terry_mcrann
Terry McCrann asks “would you rather ….”


Read the rest of Shorty's sick plan to destroy Australia in the LINK
https://stopthesethings.com/2016/05/16/labor-to-throw-200bn-to-the-wind-electricity-bill-shortens-economic-suicide-pact-unpacked/

And Tassie is not much better.

The Greenie disaster happening in Sth Aust is a stark warning to the rest of Australia to ram the dead beat Greenies into the garbage disposal unit.



How South Australia’s Wind Farm Gamble Led to a Power Crisis
January 10, 2016 by stopthesethings 11 Comments

South Australians dwell in Australia’s economically dismal ‘wind power capital’. Their attempt to rely on these things as a ‘meaningful’ power source sees them not only paying the highest power prices in the Nation by a mile (if not the world, on a purchasing power parity basis) – but sees them glaring at each other through Stone Age ‘gloom’ when its wind power output totally collapses, on a totally unpredictable basis:

The consequences are a thoroughly unreliable grid, prone to mass wind power blackouts, and family punishing and business crippling power prices – which will rocket further as its cheapest base-load plant at Port Augusta is closed in April.

While its vapid Premier, Jay Weatherill jetted 16,000 km to Paris to bathe in his own ‘glory’ – describing his State as a renewable power leader – a slightly different take on SA’s energy policy was being bandied about in the press. The most oft used term employed was ‘crisis’ – raining on Jay’s Paris Climate Jamboree Parade.

The scale and scope of its wind power debacle has hit major employers – such as Nyrstar – like a brick dropped on a sleeping forehead.
So serious has the situation become, that Tom Koutsantonis – SA’s Minister for Finance, State Development, Mineral Resources and Energy, and Small Business – was press ganged into meeting business leaders, who have reached a state of furtive panic about SA’s ludicrous power ‘policy’.

Here’s The Australian with a little detail on SA’s looming date with economic and social disaster.
South Australia faces crisis over power availability, prices
The Australian Rebecca Puddy 21 December 2015

The national energy market regulator has warned that South Australia is likely to face continued price volatility and “significantly lower” electricity availability with the retirement of two gas and coal power stations and an increased reliance on wind.

A report by the Australian Energy Regulator warned that despite the upgrade of the interconnector with Victoria, “current forecasts indicate total capacity (including imports) available to the South Australian region will be significantly lower in 2018 than in 2015”.

The AER said spot prices, which averaged $69 per megawatt hour in the September quarter, were at least 50 per cent higher than in any other state. The warning comes just months ahead of the shutdown of the 546MW capacity Northern Power Station in Port Augusta and the 2017 mothballing of the 480MW capacity Torrens Island A plant, which will leave the state even more reliant on Victoria’s Heywood power station, wind and rooftop solar.

The regulator’s state of the energy market report said wind supplied 33 per cent of electricity consumption from the South Australian grid last financial year and was, at times, the dominant form of generation.

“However, wind generation tends to be lower at times of maximum demand,” it said. “In South Australia, wind typically contributes 10 per cent of its registered capacity during peaks in summer demand.”

South Australia’s reliance on the interconnector from Victoria saw power prices spike to more than $9000 per megawatt hour in an incident last month that also saw supply to 110,000 customers cut for 35 minutes.

The regulator said the state was “islanded” from the rest of the country’s energy market after the Heywood interconnector in Victoria was tripped and local generation could not ramp up quickly enough to replace it.

Alinta chief executive Jeff Dimery told The Australian the state had an increased risk of future brownouts because it had failed to create multiple connection points with interstate power generators.

The company’s Port Augusta power station would remain open until April, extending the employment of its 185-strong workforce and providing the state with locally generated baseload power through to the cooler autumn months, he said. Technical issue­s had taken some of the station offline over the past few months, extending the remaining life of the coal stockpiles.

He said he was not surprised power prices were spiking in the state even before the station had closed. “The reality is that when we were in the market we were being offered sub $50 per megawatt hour and today there are contracts going for $90. There is no question we were holding prices down from being in the market.”

He described coal-fired stations as “yesterday’s assets”, particularly in lieu of Australia’s commitment to the Paris climate accord.

On Wednesday, the Weatherill government called a crisis meeting of energy users and suppliers to discuss the sharp rises and falls in wholesale electricity prices.

Read the rest in the LINK
https://stopthesethings.com/2016/01/10/how-south-australias-wind-farm-gamble-led-to-a-power-crisis/

There are so many holes in the grossly technically ignorant Greenies' schemes.




The Fantasy of Storing Wind Power: No Commercial System Exists & None is Likely
March 7, 2016 by stopthesethings 7 Comments

https://stopthesethings.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/giant-battery-2-e1409557784460.jpg
What about whopper batteries ? About as likely as commercially storing electricity in bulk.

The wind industry is the perpetual infant of power generation: always looking for the subsidies to last that little bit longer; always promising to improve its performance; always claiming it will outdo hydro, coal and gas – provided, of course, that the subsidies keep flowing.
STT for one thinks the wind industry has had ample time to grow up and stand on its own two feet.

Like the brat that it is, the wind industry can’t be told what to do and, especially, won’t ever respond to demands from power users about when its product should be delivered.

https://stopthesethings.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/output-vs-demand-e1413000691339.jpg

It’s quite happy to produce plenty of power when it’s not needed at night time; and much less during the day, when it is (as seen in the graph above); and, often, none at all during periods of peak demand: as set out in dozens of our posts, including these:
The Wind Power Fraud (in pictures): Part 1 – the South Australian Wind Farm Fiasco
The Wind Power Fraud (in pictures): Part 2 – The Whole Eastern Grid Debacle

When challenged about its consistent failures to match output with demand, the wind industry and its parasites respond by mumbling about “battery technology improving”.

The pitch is that – one day “soon” – there will batteries big enough and cheap enough to allow huge volumes of wind power produced when it’s not needed, to be stored for the occasions when it is. That way, the “variable” output (as their spruikers put it) from wind farms could be delivered when there might just be a market for it.

As covered in yesterday’s post, Australia’s ‘wind power capital’, South Australia is being crippled by rocketing power prices – a 90% rise in power prices for businesses within 12 months, leaving prices in SA double those of Victoria, is fairly called ‘astronomic’ – rolling wind power blackouts and a grid on the brink of collapse.

Notwithstanding the urgency of the calamity, the limp, pipe-dream responses to its unfolding power supply crisis and market chaos are limited to “an unfunded proposal by [renewable power generator and retailer] AGL to build grid-scale battery storage, and a smart grid proposal from [wind and gas turbine maker] Siemens of Germany to store surplus renewable energy in hydrogen fuel cells”: thought bubbles like massive batteries and hydrogen production, storage and use have never been shown to be technically feasible, let alone economic.

The wind industry’s pitch is, of course, made so the subsidies keep flowing to allow an endless sea of these things to be erected now – in order to take advantage of the (so far, elusive) storage technology that’s just over the “horizon”. Except that the “soon” is more like light-years and the “horizon” is a mirage.

Even if a technology was invented (STT likens it to the chances of finding a perpetual motion machine or alchemy turning lead into gold) to store large volumes of the electricity output (in bulk) from all of the wind farms connected to Australia’s Eastern Grid, say (with a notional capacity of 3,669 MW) – the economic cost would be astronomical – and readily eclipse the value of the power produced. Not that the wind industry has ever made any economic sense. We visited the topic a while ago:

The Economic Storage of Wind Power is a Pipe-Dream
And, with the wind industry’s PR spinners becoming more desperate and silly by the day – in a ‘we love kicking a mangy dog when it’s down’ kind of way, we thought it high time to revisit – and launch a final assault on – the wind-cults’ last redoubt.

Their pitch is that cost effective, ‘grid scale’ electricity storage will overcome the chaotic and occasional delivery of wind power, to have it stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the ‘big boys’ – coal, gas, hydro and nuclear.

Here’s a neat little wrap up by Engineer, John Curtis that puts the “we’ll fix it with batteries” line to bed once and for all.
An Engineer Speaks

Wind Farm Action
John Curtis 7 February 2016
A brief consideration of renewable energy production and storage.
As anybody who looks at current wind output figures will know, we are presently blessed with less than 0.2 Gigglewatts of wind power from the total UK wind fleet, the rated capacity of which is close to 8 Gigawatts.

For the last 10 days, output has been under 1 Gigglewatt and this means that the actual wind power is probably negative because each machine requires around 200 kilowatts of power just for its life support systems.

To read the rest go to the LINK
https://stopthesethings.com/2016/03/07/the-fantasy-of-storing-wind-power-no-commercial-system-exists-none-is-likely/

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 9:34pm:

lee wrote on Jul 17th, 2016 at 7:28pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2016 at 7:05pm: juliar wrote on Jul 17th, 2016 at 2:26pm: The IMF is part of the United Nations which is unbelievably corrupt. The IMF is not a part of the UN and I am unsure where you got the belief otherwise.  It is controlled by it's own member nations, not the UN.    ::) Wrong. 'Unlike the General Assembly of the United Nations, where each country has one vote, decision making at the IMF was designed to reflect the relative positions of its member countries in the global economy.' http://www.imf.org/external/about.htm It is controlled by the larger members. 'The International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World Bank are institutions in the United Nations system.' http://www.imf.org/external/np/exr/facts/imfwb.htm They are not part of the United Nations Organisation nor are they held responsible by the UN.

But they do the "You can't have fossil fuel generation, but we can give money for renewables", so following the UNFCC/IPCC line. Which makes it a proxy (poxy) UN entity.

lee wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 2:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2016 at 9:34pm: lee wrote on Jul 17th, 2016 at 7:28pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2016 at 7:05pm: juliar wrote on Jul 17th, 2016 at 2:26pm: The IMF is part of the United Nations which is unbelievably corrupt. The IMF is not a part of the UN and I am unsure where you got the belief otherwise.  It is controlled by it's own member nations, not the UN.    ::) Wrong. 'Unlike the General Assembly of the United Nations, where each country has one vote, decision making at the IMF was designed to reflect the relative positions of its member countries in the global economy.' http://www.imf.org/external/about.htm It is controlled by the larger members. 'The International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World Bank are institutions in the United Nations system.' http://www.imf.org/external/np/exr/facts/imfwb.htm They are not part of the United Nations Organisation nor are they held responsible by the UN.    But they do the "You can't have fossil fuel generation, but we can give money for renewables", so following the UNFCC/IPCC line. Which makes it a proxy (poxy) UN entity.

Getting desperate there...    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 3:10pm:

Getting desperate there..

I can't help it if you refuse to follow the dots. Like the IMF on the social costs of carbon, that is being pushed by the UNFCCC/IPCC.

'International Monetary Fund (IMF), United Nations (UN) specialized agency, founded at the Bretton Woods Conference in 1944 to secure international monetary cooperation, to stabilize currency exchange rates, and to expand international liquidity (access to hard currencies).'

https://www.britannica.com/topic/International-Monetary-Fund

The International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World Bank are institutions in the United Nations system.

They share the same goal of raising living standards in their member countries.

Their approaches to this goal are complementary, with the IMF focusing on macroeconomic issues and the World Bank concentrating on long-term economic development and poverty reduction.

http://www.imf.org/external/np/exr/facts/imfwb.htm




List of specialized agencies of the United Nations
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Specialized agencies are autonomous organizations working with the United Nations and each other through the coordinating machinery of the United Nations Economic and Social Council at the intergovernmental level, and through the Chief Executives Board for coordination (CEB) at the inter-secretariat level.

Specialized agencies may or may not have been originally created by the United Nations, but they are incorporated into the United Nations System by the United Nations Economic and Social Council acting under Articles 57 and 63 of the United Nations Charter.

At present the UN has in total specialized agencies that carry out various functions on behalf of the UN.

The specialized agencies are listed below.

Contents
1      Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO)
2      International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO)
3      International Fund for Agricultural Development (IFAD)
4      International Labour Organization (ILO)
5      International Maritime Organization (IMO)
6      International Monetary Fund (IMF)
7      International Telecommunication Union (ITU)
8      United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO)
9      United Nations Industrial Development Organization (UNIDO)
10      Universal Postal Union (UPU)
11      World Bank Group (WBG)
11.1      International Bank for Reconstruction and Development (IBRD)
11.2      International Finance Corporation (IFC)
11.3      International Development Association (IDA)
12      World Health Organization (WHO)
13      World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO)
14      World Meteorological Organization (WMO)
15      World Tourism Organization (UNWTO)
16      Former specialized agencies
17      Related organizations
17.1      Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization Preparatory Commission
17.2      International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA)
17.3      Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons
17.4      World Trade Organization (WTO)
18      Summary
19      See also
20      References
21      External links

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_specialized_agencies_of_the_United_Nations