I'd love to see this government redirect 100% of the federal funding for private schools to public schools. A prestigious private school in Sydney was granted tens of millions of dollars by the federal government a year or two ago (I'm not sure when exactly) to build a pool and tennis courts. Meanwhile, my wife's public school needs repairs to its leaking roofs and the toilets need updating. A boundary fence also needs to be built. But the school can't afford it. Some parents can't even afford the $50 yearly fee. If an end to taxpayer funding for private schools leads to an increase in fees then so be it. If the parents can't afford the difference then put their kids in public schools. With the fees private schools charge, they shouldn't need ANY public funds.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 10:36pm:

I'd love to see this government redirect 100% of the federal funding for private schools to public schools. A prestigious private school in Sydney was granted tens of millions of dollars by the federal government a year or two ago (I'm not sure when exactly) to build a pool and tennis courts. Meanwhile, my wife's public school needs repairs to its leaking roofs and the toilets need updating. A boundary fence also needs to be built. But the school can't afford it. Some parents can't even afford the $50 yearly fee. If an end to taxpayer funding for private schools leads to an increase in fees then so be it. If the parents can't afford the difference then put their kids in public schools. With the fees private schools charge, they shouldn't need ANY public funds.

I agree AP....We are constantly told that money cannot fix the problem yet private schools receive money for pools and tennis courts whilst public schools teach the most disadvantaged!!!

Some links for you AP....
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/private-versus-public-schools-which-has-the-academic-edge-20160328-gns82d.html

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/public-schools-good-report-card-on-value-for-money-20150531-ghdrot.html

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Education funding by feds should be only per student.
The rest should be state funded public schools only.

I'm sorry, is this a sock? it can't be the real armpit.



It's not just private schools armpit, but also private health too.

And look at the billions they cut out of the tafe system that is now being rorted by so called 'private training colleges' ..

AP, did the private school receive funding specifically to build a pool/tennis court or was that an administrative decision by the school management in regards to the use of public school funding?

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 11:46pm:

AP, did the private school receive funding specifically to build a pool/tennis court or was that an administrative decision by the school management in regards to the use of public school funding?

http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/taxpayers-fund-private-school-orchestra-pits-and-swimming-pools-20160410-go37i9.html

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Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 11:46pm:

AP, did the private school receive funding specifically to build a pool/tennis court or was that an administrative decision by the school management in regards to the use of public school funding?

Yep.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 10:36pm:

I'd love to see this government redirect 100% of the federal funding for private schools to public schools. A prestigious private school in Sydney was granted tens of millions of dollars by the federal government a year or two ago (I'm not sure when exactly) to build a pool and tennis courts. Meanwhile, my wife's public school needs repairs to its leaking roofs and the toilets need updating. A boundary fence also needs to be built. But the school can't afford it. Some parents can't even afford the $50 yearly fee. If an end to taxpayer funding for private schools leads to an increase in fees then so be it. If the parents can't afford the difference then put their kids in public schools. With the fees private schools charge, they shouldn't need ANY public funds.

??  I don't get it - that isn't the lib way of thinking.

Tax payer Funding for public school students is still greater then for private school students.

Public schools tend to have a unionised teacher workforce and bad teachers are a protected species.

The morale is higher in private schools as both the students and the teachers have to meet certain higher standards to be there.

Its not elitist and we should be proud of our private schools as the graduates benefit us all.

The kids at the Institute of sport get much better funding and get our encouragement to excel, why not do the same in academia...surely this helps the nation.

The Elite troops of the SAS are more motivated, its harder to get in and i gaurantee the army give them much more valuable equipment and training.
Should we call for all soldiers to be funded according to some socialist ideal of all being equal, or do we accpet the great benefits of helping our elites and letting the cream rise to the top.

private school provide a way to help the cream and the cream help us all.

The highest funding per student goes to places like Arakun where they attack the headmaster with an axe and shut down the school and the unionised public school teachers head off to the whitsundays for a taxpayer funded 6 week break...not my idea of value for money

You're obviously a racist scoot.
That wouldn't have been an axe attack, it would have been a traditional ceremony of unwelcome.

And you also seem to be anti workers' rights. A worker is suffering stress if they say they are and recreation & rehabilitation leave should be mandatory.

aquascoot wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 7:28am:

Tax payer Funding for public school students is still greater then for private school students. Public schools tend to have a unionised teacher workforce and bad teachers are a protected species. The morale is higher in private schools as both the students and the teachers have to meet certain higher standards to be there. Its not elitist and we should be proud of our private schools as the graduates benefit us all. The kids at the Institute of sport get much better funding and get our encouragement to excel, why not do the same in academia...surely this helps the nation. The Elite troops of the SAS are more motivated, its harder to get in and i gaurantee the army give them much more valuable equipment and training. Should we call for all soldiers to be funded according to some socialist ideal of all being equal, or do we accpet the great benefits of helping our elites and letting the cream rise to the top. private school provide a way to help the cream and the cream help us all. The highest funding per student goes to places like Arakun where they attack the headmaster with an axe and shut down the school and the unionised public school teachers head off to the whitsundays for a taxpayer funded 6 week break...not my idea of value for money

My wife, who is a high school principal, has showed me study after study that proves that it's a fallacy that children who are educated at private schools do better academically than public school children. It's just not true. It only seems that way because of the media attention given to those few successful students who attended private schools who've become famous in one way or another. The fact is that private school students simply have access to better resources. The teachers are not necessarily better and are generally lower paid than public school teachers. How do I know? I asked my wife why she didn't apply for a recent job advertised in a private school. Her response was simple: she didn't want to take a pay cut.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 7:53am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 7:28am: Tax payer Funding for public school students is still greater then for private school students. Public schools tend to have a unionised teacher workforce and bad teachers are a protected species. The morale is higher in private schools as both the students and the teachers have to meet certain higher standards to be there. Its not elitist and we should be proud of our private schools as the graduates benefit us all. The kids at the Institute of sport get much better funding and get our encouragement to excel, why not do the same in academia...surely this helps the nation. The Elite troops of the SAS are more motivated, its harder to get in and i gaurantee the army give them much more valuable equipment and training. Should we call for all soldiers to be funded according to some socialist ideal of all being equal, or do we accpet the great benefits of helping our elites and letting the cream rise to the top. private school provide a way to help the cream and the cream help us all. The highest funding per student goes to places like Arakun where they attack the headmaster with an axe and shut down the school and the unionised public school teachers head off to the whitsundays for a taxpayer funded 6 week break...not my idea of value for money My wife, who is a high school principal, has showed me study after study that proves that it's a fallacy that children who are educated at private schools do better academically than public school children. It's just not true. It only seems that way because of the media attention given to those few successful students who attended private schools who've become famous in one way or another. The fact is that private school students simply have access to better resources. The teachers are not necessarily better and are generally lower paid than public school teachers. How do I know? I asked my wife why she didn't apply for a recent job advertised in a private school. Her response was simple: she didn't want to take a pay cut.

thats even more disheartening.
Gillard ( a union hack) tried to introduce the my schools internet site to include the performance of teachers and was howled down by the teachers union.
To know that the mediocre teachers are paid more then the motivated private sector is unjust.
I have a simple way of social proofing a school.
If you go to the school and you go to the library and you see a whole bunch of asian kids sitting at the desk in lunch hour, then thats a good indicator of a place where motivation and learning will be paramount.

And every asian kiddie i see walking to the bus stop in my rather affluent asianified neighbourhood is wearing a private school uniform and carrying a musical instrument.
the asians value education and they value their money.
If they say that its worth the $$$, thats social proof enough for me  ;)

aquascoot wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:00am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 7:53am: aquascoot wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 7:28am: Tax payer Funding for public school students is still greater then for private school students. Public schools tend to have a unionised teacher workforce and bad teachers are a protected species. The morale is higher in private schools as both the students and the teachers have to meet certain higher standards to be there. Its not elitist and we should be proud of our private schools as the graduates benefit us all. The kids at the Institute of sport get much better funding and get our encouragement to excel, why not do the same in academia...surely this helps the nation. The Elite troops of the SAS are more motivated, its harder to get in and i gaurantee the army give them much more valuable equipment and training. Should we call for all soldiers to be funded according to some socialist ideal of all being equal, or do we accpet the great benefits of helping our elites and letting the cream rise to the top. private school provide a way to help the cream and the cream help us all. The highest funding per student goes to places like Arakun where they attack the headmaster with an axe and shut down the school and the unionised public school teachers head off to the whitsundays for a taxpayer funded 6 week break...not my idea of value for money My wife, who is a high school principal, has showed me study after study that proves that it's a fallacy that children who are educated at private schools do better academically than public school children. It's just not true. It only seems that way because of the media attention given to those few successful students who attended private schools who've become famous in one way or another. The fact is that private school students simply have access to better resources. The teachers are not necessarily better and are generally lower paid than public school teachers. How do I know? I asked my wife why she didn't apply for a recent job advertised in a private school. Her response was simple: she didn't want to take a pay cut. thats even more disheartening. Gillard ( a union hack) tried to introduce the my schools internet site to include the performance of teachers and was howled down by the teachers union. To know that the mediocre teachers are paid more then the motivated private sector is unjust. I have a simple way of social proofing a school. If you go to the school and you go to the library and you see a whole bunch of asian kids sitting at the desk in lunch hour, then thats a good indicator of a place where motivation and learning will be paramount. And every asian kiddie i see walking to the bus stop in my rather affluent asianified neighbourhood is wearing a private school uniform and carrying a musical instrument. the asians value education and they value their money. If they say that its worth the $$$, thats social proof enough for me  ;)

BUT, for the $30,000 a year some private schools charge students to attend, are they getting value for money? Are those students excelling and achieving scores well above public school students? Generally speaking, no, they are not. In fact, a few years ago my wife attended a prestigious private girls school on the outskirts of Sydney for an English curriculum event. Her students from a school of just under 200 students (that's 200 kids in the entire school, not that particular Year 8 group) outscored the private school kids in nearly every event on the day.

aquascoot wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:00am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 7:53am: aquascoot wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 7:28am: Tax payer Funding for public school students is still greater then for private school students. Public schools tend to have a unionised teacher workforce and bad teachers are a protected species. The morale is higher in private schools as both the students and the teachers have to meet certain higher standards to be there. Its not elitist and we should be proud of our private schools as the graduates benefit us all. The kids at the Institute of sport get much better funding and get our encouragement to excel, why not do the same in academia...surely this helps the nation. The Elite troops of the SAS are more motivated, its harder to get in and i gaurantee the army give them much more valuable equipment and training. Should we call for all soldiers to be funded according to some socialist ideal of all being equal, or do we accpet the great benefits of helping our elites and letting the cream rise to the top. private school provide a way to help the cream and the cream help us all. The highest funding per student goes to places like Arakun where they attack the headmaster with an axe and shut down the school and the unionised public school teachers head off to the whitsundays for a taxpayer funded 6 week break...not my idea of value for money My wife, who is a high school principal, has showed me study after study that proves that it's a fallacy that children who are educated at private schools do better academically than public school children. It's just not true. It only seems that way because of the media attention given to those few successful students who attended private schools who've become famous in one way or another. The fact is that private school students simply have access to better resources. The teachers are not necessarily better and are generally lower paid than public school teachers. How do I know? I asked my wife why she didn't apply for a recent job advertised in a private school. Her response was simple: she didn't want to take a pay cut. thats even more disheartening. Gillard ( a union hack) tried to introduce the my schools internet site to include the performance of teachers and was howled down by the teachers union. To know that the mediocre teachers are paid more then the motivated private sector is unjust. I have a simple way of social proofing a school. If you go to the school and you go to the library and you see a whole bunch of asian kids sitting at the desk in lunch hour, then thats a good indicator of a place where motivation and learning will be paramount. And every asian kiddie i see walking to the bus stop in my rather affluent asianified neighbourhood is wearing a private school uniform and carrying a musical instrument. the asians value education and they value their money. If they say that its worth the $$$, thats social proof enough for me  ;)

Dig a bit deeper tho Aqua. The Asian kids (I'm generalising) are poorly socialized, cant catch a ball and can't run.
They haven't struck a balance either.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 7:53am:

My wife, who is a high school principal, has showed me study after study that proves that it's a fallacy that children who are educated at private schools do better academically than public school children. It's just not true.

people have been telling you that for years.

The ONLY benefit to private school is the circle of friends you make which may benefit you when you begin your chosen career after school life.

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:15am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 7:53am: My wife, who is a high school principal, has showed me study after study that proves that it's a fallacy that children who are educated at private schools do better academically than public school children. It's just not true. people have been telling you that for years. The ONLY benefit to private school is the circle of friends you make which may benefit you when you begin your chosen career after school life.

You could say it's a bit like living in a gated community  ;D ;D ;D

Gordon wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:18am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 8:15am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 7:53am: My wife, who is a high school principal, has showed me study after study that proves that it's a fallacy that children who are educated at private schools do better academically than public school children. It's just not true. people have been telling you that for years. The ONLY benefit to private school is the circle of friends you make which may benefit you when you begin your chosen career after school life. You could say it's a bit like living in a gated community  ;D ;D ;D

without the pedo priests :D :D :D

Everyone knows why Govco is all for funding private schools.

howard was a strong advocate for it.

Its a sinister and sneaky ploy.
First you start funding private schools, giving them more and more, while starving public schools of cash.
People start seeing this and decide that, for their children's benefit, to put them in private schools.

Eventually public shools get smaller and less, working as Govco planned.
Then in one fell swoop, public schooling is privatized.
No more free public schooling, now everyone pays.

Then the final act, remove all funding from schools,
after all, people pay the school, they don't need public funding do they?

BINGO
Govco has again eliminated another cost.
It has privatised another industry.
The people pay more .......again
And private enterprise profits soar.

Good plan eh?

Gordon wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:18am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 8:15am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 7:53am: My wife, who is a high school principal, has showed me study after study that proves that it's a fallacy that children who are educated at private schools do better academically than public school children. It's just not true. people have been telling you that for years. The ONLY benefit to private school is the circle of friends you make which may benefit you when you begin your chosen career after school life. You could say it's a bit like living in a gated community  ;D ;D ;D

The law of "state transferance" says that you absorb, like a sponge, the mental state and mindset of the people you spend the most time with.(it actually seems to be the 5 people who you spend the most time with).

Some people have very strong self discipline and drive, but most dont and they will BECOME the average of their 5 most intimate friends.

Go to a private school with the motivated aspirational children of the cream and become cream like.
Go to a public school with the mediocre negative children of the scrubs and become a scrub.

i cant put it more simply then that.

Wishing that this law does not apply , does not mean that this law does not apply.

aquascoot wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:03am:

The law of "state transferance" says that you absorb, like a sponge, the mental state and mindset of the people you spend the most time with.

no wonder you act like one of your donkeys

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:07am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 9:03am: The law of "state transferance" says that you absorb, like a sponge, the mental state and mindset of the people you spend the most time with. no wonder you act like one of your donkeys

I find the idea that children who attend private schools are the cream of the crop.  My two nephews attended a premium private school funded by their Doctor parents and tax dodging trust funds etc.  One works reasonably high up in Optus, the other one is on the dole and as dumb as dog shyte.

Parents and family throwbacks also have a big influence on the child's performance at schools and their are plenty of stories going around about parents who have "contributed" additional resources to see little Freddie get good grades.

They are many CEOs of multinational companies who just went to public schools - Lindsay Fox is one.    Private schools deserve the same amount per student from the government that public ones get.  No more, no less

Vic wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:16am:

I find the idea that children who attend private schools are the cream of the crop.  My two nephews attended a premium private school funded by their Doctor parents and tax dodging trust funds etc.  One works reasonably high up in Optus, the other one is on the dole and as dumb as dog shyte. Parents and family throwbacks also have a big influence on the child's performance at schools and their are plenty of stories going around about parents who have "contributed" additional resources to see little Freddie get good grades. They are many CEOs of multinational companies who just went to public schools - Lindsay Fox is one.    Private schools deserve the same amount per student from the government that public ones get.  No more, no less

If a kid is lazy or a dope, he'll remain lazy or a dope. Private schooling won't help. If someone however is motivated to succeed private school can help even if they aren't the most intellectually gifted. I have a friend who went to the most expensive private school on the gold coast. All his mates had families that ran their own businesses. This friend of mine wasn't particularly clever at school, but he did like tinkering with cars.

Now he's out of school and a fully qualified mechanic. All his mates have taken over their families businesses. As a result his workshop is always busy with all the company cars his friends are bringing him. Not many mechanics can start a new workshop and be busy from day one. Without that opportunity he might not be enjoying the success that he has had.

Vic wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:16am:

Private schools deserve the same amount per student from the government that public ones get.  No more, no less

I agree, funding should be determined on a per student basis. No more, no less.

4 Ladies go to Lunch and whilst One goes to take food the other 3 start to talk about how successful their sons became due to private education.

No. 1 says her son studied economics, became a banker and is so rich he gave his best friend a ferrari.

No. 2 said her son became a pilot, started his own airline, became so rich he gave his best friend a jet.

No. 3 said her son became an engineer, started his own development company, became so rich he build his best friend a castle.

No 4. came back with a plate full of food and asked what the buzz is about.

They told her they were talking about how successful their sons became and asked her about her son.

She said her son is gay, went to a public school and he works in a Gay Bar.

The other 3 said she must be very disappointed with her son for not becoming successful.

" Oh no !! " said the Lady, he is doing good.

" Last week on his birthday he got a ferrari, a jet and a castle from 3 of his boyfriends..."

Wow, a topic that I actually agree with armchair.  I cannot believe this. 

Anyway, I had long advocated that disadvantaged public schools should be the priority.  This coming from someone who actually attended private schooling. 

Private schools should get money for students as their parents pay tax.

However, the rate and amount should be determined on a variety of factors.

The private school kids should get a component, lets call it the education component.

Public school kids should get that PLUS an infrastructure component to keep the schools updated.

Schools which take kids with learning difficulties or from indigenous backgrounds should get a further component.

As a rule of thumb, I'm thinking public school kids get x2 more than private.

Gordon wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 2:36pm:

Private schools should get money for students as their parents pay tax. However, the rate and amount should be determined on a variety of factors. The private school kids should get a component, lets call it the education component. Public school kids should get that PLUS an infrastructure component to keep the schools updated. Schools which take kids with learning difficulties or from indigenous backgrounds should get a further component. As a rule of thumb, I'm thinking public school kids get x2 more than private.

And hence the gonski model - the needs basis on school funding.  However, this is dead in the water now. 

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 4:00pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 2:36pm: Private schools should get money for students as their parents pay tax. However, the rate and amount should be determined on a variety of factors. The private school kids should get a component, lets call it the education component. Public school kids should get that PLUS an infrastructure component to keep the schools updated. Schools which take kids with learning difficulties or from indigenous backgrounds should get a further component. As a rule of thumb, I'm thinking public school kids get x2 more than private. And hence the gonski model - the needs basis on school funding.  However, this is dead in the water now.

I wonder how much they paid that Gonski character to think that up? I thunked it up as I was typing and would let the Govt have my funding model for about $10000.00

Gordon wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 4:47pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 4:00pm: Gordon wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 2:36pm: Private schools should get money for students as their parents pay tax. However, the rate and amount should be determined on a variety of factors. The private school kids should get a component, lets call it the education component. Public school kids should get that PLUS an infrastructure component to keep the schools updated. Schools which take kids with learning difficulties or from indigenous backgrounds should get a further component. As a rule of thumb, I'm thinking public school kids get x2 more than private. And hence the gonski model - the needs basis on school funding.  However, this is dead in the water now.  I wonder how much they paid that Gonski character to think that up? I thunked it up as I was typing and would let the Govt have my funding model for about $10000.00

you're a sucker ... Gonski probably charged millions for it.  :D :D

The public school down the road received a new hall for the grand sum of a million bucks. The school our kids go to built the equivalent  hall for half a million all funded from school fees and fundraising. That put them a million bucks to the good over the public school. Should us hard working parents who sacrifice to give our kids a better education be passed over for the parents down the road who prefer to spend their money on cars and holidays? If so, how does that 'incentivise' people to do, contribute and give more?

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 11:05am:

Wow, a topic that I actually agree with armchair.  I cannot believe this.  Anyway, I had long advocated that disadvantaged public schools should be the priority.  This coming from someone who actually attended private schooling.

why do we have disadvantaged schools in this country???????

do they really mean children that have  parents who dont care..... ::) ::)

just what does it mean in real terms???...

disadvantage to me would mean more kids per class than is normal .. my grandson goes to private school and he has 31 boys in his class....

I dont think any public school has that many....

so what is DISADVANTAGED......I believe all teachers go through the same system....under our multicultural system languages shouldnt be a problem... the more the merrier....and most kids speak English long before their parents anyway..

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 7:04pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 11:05am: Wow, a topic that I actually agree with armchair.  I cannot believe this.  Anyway, I had long advocated that disadvantaged public schools should be the priority.  This coming from someone who actually attended private schooling.  why do we have disadvantaged schools in this country??????? do they really mean children that have  parents who dont care..... ::) ::) just what does it mean in real terms???... disadvantage to me would mean more kids per class than is normal .. my grandson goes to private school and he has 31 boys in his class.... I dont think any public school has that many.... so what is DISADVANTAGED......I believe all teachers go through the same system....under our multicultural system languages shouldnt be a problem... the more the merrier....and most kids speak English long before their parents anyway..

In a similar vein, my daughter is starting to play sporting matches in far flung corners of Sydney.

At her affluent school there are 3 fat kids. The further west we go for sporting games, the heavier the kids get and nearly all the parents are morbidly obese. I accept no excuses for people destroying their health like that.

I was on the road most of today and still managed to have a lunch that would rate 5 stars for health and cost about 5 bucks.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

The public school down the road received a new hall for the grand sum of a million bucks. The school our kids go to built the equivalent  hall for half a million all funded from school fees and fundraising. That put them a million bucks to the good over the public school. Should us hard working parents who sacrifice to give our kids a better education be passed over for the parents down the road who prefer to spend their money on cars and holidays? If so, how does that 'incentivise' people to do, contribute and give more?

if you want the govt. to incentivise you than you have bigger issues than school funding

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 7:04pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 11:05am: Wow, a topic that I actually agree with armchair.  I cannot believe this.  Anyway, I had long advocated that disadvantaged public schools should be the priority.  This coming from someone who actually attended private schooling.  why do we have disadvantaged schools in this country???????

Liberals in government for too many terms.

It's not necessarily disadvantage, either. It could simply be a lack of maintenance. I remember starting my high school years in the 1980s at a school that was suffering badly from decades of Liberal neglect, including holes in walls, leaking roofs, and "temporary" classrooms that dated to the Second World War. By the time I left that school a few years later, we had a Labor state government for the first time in decades and construction for the long-awaited Upgrade was underway.

At the high school I transferred to, the story was much the same.

Liberal governments always underfund public education, and the state of the facilities is often the first sign of this neglect.

Be an interesting theory except for the amount of time Labor has been in Government in NSW.

This is the sort of people private schools turn out....


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Police investigate vile Instagram account set up by Brighton Grammar students

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/police-investigate-vile-instagram-account-set-up-by-brighton-grammar-students-20160717-gq7tfn.html

When I travel on the train it is always the Private School Students who are disrespectful and disruptive....The parents of these children think money buys special privilege and this is passed on to their children!!!

>:( >:( >:(

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 7:53am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 7:28am: Tax payer Funding for public school students is still greater then for private school students. Public schools tend to have a unionised teacher workforce and bad teachers are a protected species. The morale is higher in private schools as both the students and the teachers have to meet certain higher standards to be there. Its not elitist and we should be proud of our private schools as the graduates benefit us all. The kids at the Institute of sport get much better funding and get our encouragement to excel, why not do the same in academia...surely this helps the nation. The Elite troops of the SAS are more motivated, its harder to get in and i gaurantee the army give them much more valuable equipment and training. Should we call for all soldiers to be funded according to some socialist ideal of all being equal, or do we accpet the great benefits of helping our elites and letting the cream rise to the top. private school provide a way to help the cream and the cream help us all. The highest funding per student goes to places like Arakun where they attack the headmaster with an axe and shut down the school and the unionised public school teachers head off to the whitsundays for a taxpayer funded 6 week break...not my idea of value for money My wife, who is a high school principal, has showed me study after study that proves that it's a fallacy that children who are educated at private schools do better academically than public school children. It's just not true. It only seems that way because of the media attention given to those few successful students who attended private schools who've become famous in one way or another. The fact is that private school students simply have access to better resources. The teachers are not necessarily better and are generally lower paid than public school teachers. How do I know? I asked my wife why she didn't apply for a recent job advertised in a private school. Her response was simple: she didn't want to take a pay cut.

I'm lost on 2 points. Selective high schools and private schools do perform much higher then the common public school.

Not sure that private schools pay less either. Actually led to believe by friend who just switched over to a private school that private schools tend to pay more.

You are right though, public schools are having to work with the most at risk vulnerable students.

Honest Joe wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:29pm:

I'm lost on 2 points. Selective high schools and private schools do perform much higher then the common public school.

The key word is "selective".

bam is right SELECTIVE HS do well because they pick/select the best students, private schools do not however do better than public schools, in fact some public schools do better than private schools.