Has ISLAM reached its zenith and will proceed to steadily decline as time goes by ?

Trump is the only single option to change direction, for if direction is not changed 180 degrees then we are doomed.

Trump will be a beacon for change, a fresh direction, a chance to address the bloody obvious.

Trump may be the beacon yet the people must do a Islamic reality check and get on page with their stated purpose, they have told you all in plain speak (although you weren't listening), which is a worldwide totalitarian domination where we Kaffir bleed out in the streets.

Trump is our hope; Muslims are the enemy, Islam is the enemy army and The Quran is the enemy's War Manifesto.

Regards the Religion of Peace, Moderate Muslims etc., believe this at your beheading peril!



THE END IS NIGH... for Islam that is
HARRY RICHARDSON Mon 18 Jul 2016 10:13:28 am 311 COMMENTS

Regular Pickering Post readers will remember my bold prediction. I wrote that within ten years, Islam will cease to exist in any meaningful sense (excepting the odd nutcase of course). Well, in light of recent events, I’m starting to think that, not to put too fine a point on it, I may have been wrong.

The way things are looking to me now, I can’t see any way that Islam can last for another ten years. Already things are moving much quicker than I anticipated and it looks as if I may have been rather too conservative.

Let’s take a look at how far we have come in just the past twelve months.

A year ago in the UK, Prime Minister David Cameron was promising a referendum on leaving the European Union. The reason for the referendum was to shut up the Eurosceptics and UKIPers who were eating into his voter base.

Once Britain voted to remain, he could finalise selling out Britain’s independence to the Islam loving European dictatorship and retire to a plum job in Brussels.

           "I misjudged that!", said David Cameron to the EU Commission President.
Today, Cameron is gone, his retirement plans are in tatters and membership of the EU is over. Theresa May, Britain’s new PM looks set to fully assert Britain’s independence and border control.

A year ago, a wealthy property magnate/reality TV star called Donald Trump was announcing his intention to run for the Republican nomination. His platform was border control and a moratorium on Islamic immigration. People mostly thought this was something of a joke. None of them is laughing now.

A year ago, Hillary Clinton would have sacked anyone who dared to use words like Islamic or jihadist to describe an Islamic jihadist attack. “Crooked Hillary” (as Trump calls her) has more oil money than Jed Clampett and none of it comes from America.
Today, Hillary is unashamedly calling the Nice attack a Jihadist attack. She did so before the dust had even settled.

A year ago, One Nation was considered to be a spent force in Australian politics. Today, they look set to be the fourth largest party in the Senate.
The major parties which have pandered to Islam are struggling badly.
A year ago, radical lefties were rallying in support of the Muslims with the bogus twitter slogan “#I’ll ride with you.” Somehow, I can’t see them rolling that one out again after the French attack.

A year ago, the French were basking in the joys of a “Republic sans Frontiers.” Today their President is rushing once again to close the borders. I don’t know the French words for “horse” and “bolted.” I suspect however, that those words are running through the minds of many French people today.

A year ago, Marine le Penn was a fringe far right loony who was derided by the French                                                                       establishment.
Today, she is front runner for French President. A recent poll showed her to be twice as popular as current President Hollande. That was before the Nice attack.

If Marine Le Penn becomes President, she will almost certainly remove France from the EU. If France leaves, I’m pretty sure the European project will be all over.
A year ago, the idea of deporting Muslims from France would have seemed laughable. After all, how can you deport someone from your country when you don’t have a border?

Today, every single French man and woman, in some part of their Gaullic hearts, have come to a realisation. They now know that they will never be truly safe in their own country. Not so long as a single follower of the Prophet Mohammed resides in their nation and has the right to something as simple as a truck licence.

The timing of this hideous massacre is especially significant. I doubt if those responsible are fully aware of what Bastille Day means to the French. This is the day when all French people remember the most important occasion in the nation’s history.

Bastille Day symbolises the moment when the French broke free of dictatorial political oppression. Many innocents were slaughtered in this process.
Bastille Day is not a good day to try to force dictatorial political oppression on to the French people by the massacre of innocents. I’m guessing that this will have a far greater effect on the French psyche than the other hideous jihadist massacres they have been subjected to in the last year or so.
So how will things look one year from now? Will people be taking the issue of Islam seriously? Will world leaders be listening to “fruitcakes” like me?

Read more in the LINK
http://pickeringpost.com/story/the-end-is-nigh/6240

Nope....  it'll be around till the very end.

A sign of the times ? Public lambasting of the hideous ISLAMIC butchery ?




By DANIEL PIOTROWSKI FOR DAILY MAIL AUSTRALIA
PUBLISHED: 09:48 EST, 18 July 2016 | UPDATED: 13:54 EST, 18 July 2016
    
Sonia Kruger has called for Australia to stop Muslim immigration because she wants to 'feel safe'.

During a fiery Today Show panel discussion Monday, the TV host argued there is a correlation between the number of Muslims in a country and the number of terrorist attacks.

'Personally, I would like to see it stop now for Australia because I want to feel safe as all of our citizens do when we go out to celebrate Australia Day,' the media personality said.

The television host said she had 'a lot of very good friends' who were Muslims and peace-loving, beautiful people. 'But there are fanatics.'
The remarks have sparked a social media firestorm but in response Kruger said 'it was vital to discuss these issues without automatically being labelled racist'.

Passionate call: Sonia Kruger said Australia should close the borders to further Muslim immigrants

Kruger's Today Extra co-host David Campbell objected to her remarks - saying freedom of religion was important
She told the panel Japan has a population of 174 million people and 100,000 Muslims and the country never suffers terrorist attacks.
Her remarks drew a passionate response from the morning program's co-host David Campbell, who interrupted her as she began to talk about journalists being 'threatened' and freedom of speech.

Hands waving, Campbell replied: 'I'd like to see freedom of religion as well! As well as freedom of speech! They both go hand and hand!'

WHAT SONIA KRUGER SAID: TV HOST'S KEY QUOTES
'Personally I think Andrew Bolt has a point here that there is a correlation between the number of people who are Muslim in a country and the number of terrorist attacks.
'I have a lot of very good friends who are Muslim who are peace-loving, who are beautiful people. But there are fanatics...'
'Personally, I would like to see it stop now for Australia because I want to feel safe as all of our citizens do when we go out to celebrate Australia Day'
'We're talking about immigration, David,' Kruger replied. She then asked if people were allowed to talk about the issue.
Campbell said the article they were talking about - written by conservative columnist Andrew Bolt in News Corp newspapers - 'breeds hate'.
'So you're not allowed to talk about it?' Kruger replied. 'You're not allowed to discuss it?'
'I would venture that if you spoke to the parents of those children killed in Nice then they would be of the same opinion.'
She argued 'good Muslim people' were dying as a result of terrorist acts, pointing out the first person to die in the Nice terror attacks last week was a Muslim woman. 
When host Lisa Wilkinson asked her directly whether she wanted the borders totally closed to Muslim migrants, Kruger said: 'Yes, yes I would'.
When host Lisa Wilkinson pointed out Kruger's views were similar to the 'Donald Trump approach', she replied: 'Well perhaps it is. 'For the safety of the citizens here I think it's important'

When host Lisa Wilkinson pointed out Kruger's views were similar to the 'Donald Trump approach', she replied: 'Well perhaps it is. 'For the safety of the citizens here I think it's important'

Kruger is the host of Today Extra and is the face of music program The Voice

Wilkinson pointed out closing the borders to Muslims was the 'Donald Trump approach'. 'Well, perhaps it is,' Kruger said. 'For the safety of our citizens here I think it's important'.
The US presidential candidate has called for a 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering the United States 'until our country's representatives can figure out what's going on'.

Kruger's remarks sparked fierce debate on social media, with viewers writing in criticism, praise and mockery.
And she responded to the criticism in a combative statement on Monday afternoon, writing: 'Following the atrocities last week in Nice where 10 children lost their lives, as a mother, I believe it's vital in a democratic society to be able to discuss these issues without automatically being labelled racist'.

Read rest in the LINK
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3694918/Sonia-Kruger-calls-Australia-stop-Muslim-immigration.html

Grendel wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 2:55pm:

Nope....  it'll be around till the very end.

Lol...which could be less than 10 years.

brumbie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 2:56pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 2:55pm: Nope....  it'll be around till the very end. Lol...which could be less than 10 years.

Nope.... ::)

Grendel is big on explanation.

Grendel wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 2:55pm:

Nope....  it'll be around till the very end.

Something sensible for a change?   Amazing.    ::)

I suspect religion is a disease which mankind has long been infected with.   It started when the first man/woman looked up at the sky at the stars and wondered, "Why?"

oh dear....  unlike you I'm always sensible bwian...  :D :D :D :D :D

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 3:08pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 2:55pm: Nope....  it'll be around till the very end. Something sensible for a change?   Amazing.    ::) I suspect religion is a disease which mankind has long been infected with.   It started when the first man/woman looked up at the sky at the stars and wondered, "Why?"

I think you missed the "double entendre" there.

Grendel wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 3:11pm:

oh dear....  unlike you I'm always sensible bwian...  :D :D :D :D :D

Highly debatable.  So, is Pauline a Racist/Bigot/Xenophobe (take your pick)?   ::)

Oh dear the Lefties are gunna start foaming at the mouth again !!




ONLY A DEMENTED FOOL BELIEVES ISLAM IS NOT THE PROBLEM... and Obama still cannot say the word Islam as the toll nears 100
LARRY PICKERING Fri 15 Jul 2016 12:22:37 pm/1733 COMMENTS

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What more does the Left need to finally get it through their thick skulls that Islam is the driving force behind Islamic terrorism? I mean it’s not a Presbyterian thing is it? Authorities are prevented from issuing statistics on Muslim populations in the wake of increasing European terrorism, for fear of being accused of racial profiling.

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Therefore it has been difficult to get accurate figures of Muslim populations since 2003. What is clear is that the headquarters of European Islam is in Belgium’s Brussels where it is believed the inner city area is composed of 25% Muslim.
Paris has by far the highest concentration of Muslims of any Euro city with almost 2 million. The inner city of London has more than one million  (The figures could be far higher than that by now.) But there are increasing concentrations of Muslims across every city in the world, including Australia’s capitals and rural areas. They themselves are saying it's a takeover and we ignore that as bluff.

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There is a certain type of lunacy the sensible nations of the free world haven’t had to deal with before now, and it’s a shame that Australia isn’t one of those sensible nations. Prime Minister Turnbull is determined to lead Australia into the depths of UN sanctioned anarchy from which a promised New World Order will arise financed by a global warming hoax.

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And this nonsense of our security agencies being able to prevent attacks and arrest the plotters is just a well beaten track through a broken court system that will let them loose to try again.
The bastards have not committed anything (yet) but they will soon enough under our soft legal system of compassion. I mean all that’s needed to prevent more terrorism in Australia is to find all the little bastards a job... that correct, just ask the Greens!

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Oh well, we can just about write Europe off as a nice place to visit in future as Islam will have soon infiltrated every corner of government, the education sector, what’s left of the military and right under the noses of the soft Left sympathisers of poor downtrodden, vulnerable Muslims.

Turnbull is solving the problem by inviting them all to dinner at his joint in Sydney... how smart is Turnbull?
Perhaps this latest atrocity will be a wake up call. Perhaps Merkel will realise her disastrous mistake. Perhaps Obama will turn on his favourite faith and mutter the word Islam. Perhaps Turnbull and his coterie of small l Liberals will come out of their protected leafy suburbs and smell the Islamic sh*t.
Don’t hold your breath.

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Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 3:21pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 3:11pm: oh dear....  unlike you I'm always sensible bwian...  :D :D :D :D :D Highly debatable.  So, is Pauline a Racist/Bigot/Xenophobe (take your pick)?   ::)

Still obsessing bwian?
Still no proof bwian?
Still claim you are sensible? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

There are over one billion muslims in this world.  I do not see it gone in 10 years. 

It's interesting that Sonja Kruger has chosen to terminate her television career with this comment that Muslim immigration should be stopped.

Perhaps others nearing the end of their careers as TV celebrities will follow suit by suggesting the same thing.

There is a groundswell of sentiment of this kind developing throughout Western societies. It's not just the terrorism factor, but that Muslims are colonists whose only purpose in being in the West is to tap into the better financial circumstances that the West provides.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 3:56pm:

It's interesting that Sonja Kruger has chosen to terminate her television career with this comment that Muslim immigration should be stopped. Perhaps others nearing the end of their careers as TV celebrities will follow suit by suggesting the same thing. There is a groundswell of sentiment of this kind developing throughout Western societies. It's not just the terrorism factor, but that Muslims are colonists whose only purpose in being in the West is to tap into the better financial circumstances that the West provides.

Well, in a way, this is what Western colonists did in the new worlds if you look at this way.

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 3:58pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 3:56pm: It's interesting that Sonja Kruger has chosen to terminate her television career with this comment that Muslim immigration should be stopped. Perhaps others nearing the end of their careers as TV celebrities will follow suit by suggesting the same thing. There is a groundswell of sentiment of this kind developing throughout Western societies. It's not just the terrorism factor, but that Muslims are colonists whose only purpose in being in the West is to tap into the better financial circumstances that the West provides. Well, in a way, this is what Western colonists did in the new worlds if you look at this way.

And how many First World nations did this British colonisation produce that are migrant destinations today, and which today dispense billions in charity each year in Foreign Aid to those countries which so virtuously resisted the temptation to colonise at a time when it was popular to do so?

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 3:38pm:

There are over one billion muslims in this world.  I do not see it gone in 10 years.

Me neither

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 4:08pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 3:58pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 3:56pm: It's interesting that Sonja Kruger has chosen to terminate her television career with this comment that Muslim immigration should be stopped. Perhaps others nearing the end of their careers as TV celebrities will follow suit by suggesting the same thing. There is a groundswell of sentiment of this kind developing throughout Western societies. It's not just the terrorism factor, but that Muslims are colonists whose only purpose in being in the West is to tap into the better financial circumstances that the West provides. Well, in a way, this is what Western colonists did in the new worlds if you look at this way. And how many First World nations did this British colonisation produce that are migrant destinations today, and which today dispense billions in charity each year in Foreign Aid to those countries which so virtuously resisted the temptation to colonise at a time when it was popular to do so?

Yeah, but its different league all together.  The western colonist came with guns and a parchment from the pope called terra nulla.  And this entitled them to take over land for free.   And in the scheme of everything, land is everything. 

They reached their peak as a civilization some time ago and it's  been a stead decline, stagnation and now the Middle Eastern Muslim world is descending into chaos.

Time to stop using their oil and get some popcorn and watch the fun. Maybe we could draw a great big octagon around the Middle East and put it on pay per view.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 3:08pm:

I suspect religion is a disease which mankind has long been infected with.

We could say Islam is a pox on humanity and a type of STD.  8-)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 3:08pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 2:55pm: Nope....  it'll be around till the very end. Something sensible for a change?   Amazing.    ::) I suspect religion is a disease which mankind has long been infected with.   It started when the first man/woman looked up at the sky at the stars and wondered, "Why?"

So why do you make space for Islam? It should be discouraged at every level.

Leftists encouraging Islam is like munchausens by proxy.

Grendel wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 2:55pm:

Nope....  it'll be around till the very end.

Nonsense. We'll get it banned, don't you leftards worry about that. In ten years time, Islam will be a distant memory.

In ten years time, we'll be focusing on the Chinks.

Ban them.

Gordon wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:02pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 3:08pm: Grendel wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 2:55pm: Nope....  it'll be around till the very end. Something sensible for a change?   Amazing.    ::) I suspect religion is a disease which mankind has long been infected with.   It started when the first man/woman looked up at the sky at the stars and wondered, "Why?" So why do you make space for Islam? It should be discouraged at every level. Leftists encouraging Islam is like munchausens by proxy.

That's right. And our work at discouraging Islam will prevail in the end, no?

It may not happen overnight, leftards, but it will happen.

Cesterete them.

Gordon wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 4:56pm:

They reached their peak as a civilization some time ago and it's  been a stead decline, stagnation and now the Middle Eastern Muslim world is descending into chaos. Time to stop using their oil and get some popcorn and watch the fun. Maybe we could draw a great big octagon around the Middle East and put it on pay per view.

Burn them.

Gordon wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:02pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 3:08pm: Grendel wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 2:55pm: Nope....  it'll be around till the very end. Something sensible for a change?   Amazing.    ::) I suspect religion is a disease which mankind has long been infected with.   It started when the first man/woman looked up at the sky at the stars and wondered, "Why?" So why do you make space for Islam? It should be discouraged at every level. Leftists encouraging Islam is like munchausens by proxy.

I disagree with both Brian and Gordon on this.  I believe religion is a necessity to control the human population as our society evolve.  However, we are now at a stage of free thinking and altruism.  As such, they now have outlived most of its purpose in many countries of the world.   However, no all countries and regions are equal in this remark, and therefore, it still has its uses. 

In the future, religion should be practices as only free choice of the individual, and that there should be distinct separation of church and state (including education) in each nation.    But in this, we are talking at least 100 or may be even 200 years ahead. 

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 4:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 3:08pm: I suspect religion is a disease which mankind has long been infected with.  We could say Islam is a pox on humanity and a type of STD.  8-)

And Christianity/Hinduism/Confucianism/Taoism/Shinto/etc. Baron.  No need to concentrate on one group when all of humanity is affected.  Even gun nuttery is a disease.   ::)

Grendel wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 3:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 3:21pm: Grendel wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 3:11pm: oh dear....  unlike you I'm always sensible bwian...  :D :D :D :D :D Highly debatable.  So, is Pauline a Racist/Bigot/Xenophobe (take your pick)?   ::) Still obsessing bwian? Still no proof bwian? Still claim you are sensible? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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I believe that it will be around to the very end

The end that is brought on by the low intellect Muslims.

They are trying so very hard to get their hands on weapons of mass destruction.
Eventually they will.
And when they do, the moorons will use them in the name of their devil god Mohamed.

They don't have the intelligence or foresight to realize that they will bring on the end of the world, nor do they care.
Mohamed was a rabid sociopath and pedophile.
He left this world with the hope of destroying it in his name.

The only hope we have is to eliminate Islam and its followers.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:33pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 4:58pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 3:08pm: I suspect religion is a disease which mankind has long been infected with.  We could say Islam is a pox on humanity and a type of STD.  8-) And Christianity/Hinduism/Confucianism/Taoism/Shinto/etc. Baron.  No need to concentrate on one group when all of humanity is affected.  Even gun nuttery is a disease.   ::)

i dont think you can find much in buddhism, confuscianism, the dao, the tippitaka that would not be simply very good principles to aspire to.
i dont think anyone would have much of a problem with the sermon on the mount or the 10 commandments.

one of the problems for islam is undoubtedly extreme laziness and lack of social intelligence by the leadership group.

they need to get on the front foot and explain what is virtuous in the koran . if they cant do that, and continue to play cry baby victims, then i think they will be targeted more and more.(and rightfully so, because they have an obligation to explain what is going on)

Gordon wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:02pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 3:08pm: Grendel wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 2:55pm: Nope....  it'll be around till the very end. Something sensible for a change?   Amazing.    ::) I suspect religion is a disease which mankind has long been infected with.   It started when the first man/woman looked up at the sky at the stars and wondered, "Why?" So why do you make space for Islam? It should be discouraged at every level.

When we see equal discouragement to all the sky daddies, then I might listen to you.  Otherwise all you're doing is, is urging discrimination against one group.   Islam has it's problems but so do all religions.


Quote:

Leftists encouraging Islam is like munchausens by proxy.

Rightists discouraging Islam is like the Nazis discouraging Judaism, violent and bloody.    ::)

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:31pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 5:02pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 3:08pm: Grendel wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 2:55pm: Nope....  it'll be around till the very end. Something sensible for a change?   Amazing.    ::) I suspect religion is a disease which mankind has long been infected with.   It started when the first man/woman looked up at the sky at the stars and wondered, "Why?" So why do you make space for Islam? It should be discouraged at every level. Leftists encouraging Islam is like munchausens by proxy. I disagree with both Brian and Gordon on this.  I believe religion is a necessity to control the human population as our society evolve.  However, we are now at a stage of free thinking and altruism.  As such, they now have outlived most of its purpose in many countries of the world.   However, no all countries and regions are equal in this remark, and therefore, it still has its uses.  In the future, religion should be practices as only free choice of the individual, and that there should be distinct separation of church and state (including education) in each nation.    But in this, we are talking at least 100 or may be even 200 years ahead.

Well I think religion was of use for a  short time in history.  Using ooogy boogey to scare people to follow a code of conduct had its time.

Islam has a few trip wires that point its followers backwards in history.

Secular immigration priority for Australia

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:40pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 5:02pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 3:08pm: Grendel wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 2:55pm: Nope....  it'll be around till the very end. Something sensible for a change?   Amazing.    ::) I suspect religion is a disease which mankind has long been infected with.   It started when the first man/woman looked up at the sky at the stars and wondered, "Why?" So why do you make space for Islam? It should be discouraged at every level. When we see equal discouragement to all the sky daddies, then I might listen to you.  Otherwise all you're doing is, is urging discrimination against one group.   Islam has it's problems but so do all religions. Quote: Leftists encouraging Islam is like munchausens by proxy. Rightists discouraging Islam is like the Nazis discouraging Judaism, violent and bloody.    ::)

Because Islam is at a point in its history when it's going through extremist upheavals.

It's like someone in the 80s with full blown aids.

aquascoot wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 5:33pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 4:58pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 3:08pm: I suspect religion is a disease which mankind has long been infected with.  We could say Islam is a pox on humanity and a type of STD.  8-) And Christianity/Hinduism/Confucianism/Taoism/Shinto/etc. Baron.  No need to concentrate on one group when all of humanity is affected.  Even gun nuttery is a disease.   ::) i dont think you can find much in buddhism, confuscianism, the dao, the tippitaka that would not be simply very good principles to aspire to. i dont think anyone would have much of a problem with the sermon on the mount or the 10 commandments. one of the problems for islam is undoubtedly extreme laziness and lack of social intelligence by the leadership group. they need to get on the front foot and explain what is virtuous in the koran . if they cant do that, and continue to play cry baby victims, then i think they will be targeted more and more.(and rightfully so, because they have an obligation to explain what is going on)

A religion is so much more than just the words of it's founder.  It consists of the views and beliefs and justifications of it's believers, ever since the death of that founder.   There have been good and bad Muslims just as there have been bad and good Christians/Hindus/Buddhists/Taoists/Shintos/etc.   That cannot be ignored.    ::)

I think religion is a natural progression from curiosity and at a deeper level a question of an attempt to understand.  I think it is a hard wired concept in the brain of a particular tool making ape that enabled it to progress further than the immediate use of a tool.  A rock will do the job, but this ape thought a handle could make the rock better, which led to an exploration of leverage and those rules.  The none searching and incurious ape would have remained static with crushing nuts with a rock because that served the immediate need.

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:31pm:

I disagree with both Brian and Gordon on this.  I believe religion is a necessity to control the human population as our society evolve.  However, we are now at a stage of free thinking and altruism.  As such, they now have outlived most of its purpose in many countries of the world.   However, no all countries and regions are equal in this remark, and therefore, it still has its uses.  In the future, religion should be practices as only free choice of the individual, and that there should be distinct separation of church and state (including education) in each nation.    But in this, we are talking at least 100 or may be even 200 years ahead.

Well, good luck getting that past the religionists.  I agree with you in part but I have to recognise that something that has been a part of humanity forever will not disappear overnight.   Only by concerted effort by society as a whole will it disappear.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:43pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 5:40pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 5:33pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 4:58pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 3:08pm: I suspect religion is a disease which mankind has long been infected with.  We could say Islam is a pox on humanity and a type of STD.  8-) And Christianity/Hinduism/Confucianism/Taoism/Shinto/etc. Baron.  No need to concentrate on one group when all of humanity is affected.  Even gun nuttery is a disease.   ::) i dont think you can find much in buddhism, confuscianism, the dao, the tippitaka that would not be simply very good principles to aspire to. i dont think anyone would have much of a problem with the sermon on the mount or the 10 commandments. one of the problems for islam is undoubtedly extreme laziness and lack of social intelligence by the leadership group. they need to get on the front foot and explain what is virtuous in the koran . if they cant do that, and continue to play cry baby victims, then i think they will be targeted more and more.(and rightfully so, because they have an obligation to explain what is going on) A religion is so much more than just the words of it's founder.  It consists of the views and beliefs and justifications of it's believers, ever since the death of that founder.   There have been good and bad Muslims just as there have been bad and good Christians/Hindus/Buddhists/Taoists/Shintos/etc.   That cannot be ignored.    ::)

i would dispute that and i have tried to understand the message of most religions.
i cant recall people commiting vile acts in the name of confuscius or Lao Tzu

Gordon wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:43pm:

Because Islam is at a point in its history when it's going through extremist upheavals.

And so we should abandon all it's followers to those upheavals?


Quote:

It's like someone in the 80s with full blown aids.

Homophobia?   ::)

aquascoot wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:48pm:

i would dispute that and i have tried to understand the message of most religions. i cant recall people commiting vile acts in the name of confuscius or Lao Tzu

I would suggest you need to read more about the history of the religion than about the religion itself.  Chinese history is full of examples of bad Taoists and Confuscianists.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:55pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 5:43pm: Because Islam is at a point in its history when it's going through extremist upheavals. And so we should abandon all it's followers to those upheavals? [quote] ::)

Quarantine ourselves.

Gordon wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:58pm:

Quarantine ourselves.

Yes, you go and lock yourself away in your basement...    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:46pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 5:31pm: I disagree with both Brian and Gordon on this.  I believe religion is a necessity to control the human population as our society evolve.  However, we are now at a stage of free thinking and altruism.  As such, they now have outlived most of its purpose in many countries of the world.   However, no all countries and regions are equal in this remark, and therefore, it still has its uses.  In the future, religion should be practices as only free choice of the individual, and that there should be distinct separation of church and state (including education) in each nation.    But in this, we are talking at least 100 or may be even 200 years ahead.  Well, good luck getting that past the religionists.  I agree with you in part but I have to recognise that something that has been a part of humanity forever will not disappear overnight.   Only by concerted effort by society as a whole will it disappear.

It is true that for much of its existence religion has been a rather vacuous secular/materialist tool of control that has essentially been devoid of any spiritual meaning. This, I believe is what you and others would like to see disappear, and I'm with you. However it is a mistake to equate this with "true" religion, as in what the original purpose of the religion is. Doing so dismisses the innate human need for a spiritual sense of purpose, and an innate sense of the existence of God. You are essentially calling for one vacuous materialist system to replace another vacuous materialist system. Yet the real cause of disillusionment in religion IMO is not the rejection of its core message and purpose (a spiritual one), but rejection of the dogma of mainstream religion.

Religion won't disappear, rather IMO it will transcend and start to reflect its true purpose. Its followers will eventually reject the vacuous dogma that has so dominated most religions for centuries, and will actually start following a far more fulfilling spiritual journey. And this by no means requires the scrapping of the religious texts - those are chock full of all the right spiritual guidance.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:35pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 3:35pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 3:21pm: Grendel wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 3:11pm: oh dear....  unlike you I'm always sensible bwian...  :D :D :D :D :D Highly debatable.  So, is Pauline a Racist/Bigot/Xenophobe (take your pick)?   ::) Still obsessing bwian? Still no proof bwian? Still claim you are sensible? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/122743/2332811-yawn_20smiley.jpg

cant help yourself can you bwian....  you like insulting others but like an ignorant child keep blaming others...
You miss things right in front of your face and tell everyone you know better... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
You are such a clown such and obsessive ratbag of a clown.
I'd be giving that Dr of Divinity certificate back or throwing it away....   :D :D :D

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:57pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 5:48pm: i would dispute that and i have tried to understand the message of most religions. i cant recall people commiting vile acts in the name of confuscius or Lao Tzu I would suggest you need to read more about the history of the religion than about the religion itself.  Chinese history is full of examples of bad Taoists and Confuscianists.   ::)

What do you like about Islam, Brian?  What makes you warm to Mohammed and his sons?

Gordon wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 5:55pm: Gordon wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 5:43pm: Because Islam is at a point in its history when it's going through extremist upheavals. And so we should abandon all it's followers to those upheavals? [quote] ::) Quarantine ourselves.

Quarantine them.

Will ISLAM be gone in 10 years ?

yes Juliar, it'll be gone within 10 years.

See you can stop worrying about Muslims now and sleep soundly  :D :D :D :D

Grendel wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:15pm:

cant help yourself can you bwian....  you like insulting others but like an ignorant child keep blaming others...

really? so you don't call the following insulting


Grendel wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:15pm:

Still obsessing bwian? Still no proof bwian? Still claim you are sensible?

:D :D :D :D :D

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 6:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 5:46pm: tickleandrose wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 5:31pm: I disagree with both Brian and Gordon on this.  I believe religion is a necessity to control the human population as our society evolve.  However, we are now at a stage of free thinking and altruism.  As such, they now have outlived most of its purpose in many countries of the world.   However, no all countries and regions are equal in this remark, and therefore, it still has its uses.  In the future, religion should be practices as only free choice of the individual, and that there should be distinct separation of church and state (including education) in each nation.    But in this, we are talking at least 100 or may be even 200 years ahead.  Well, good luck getting that past the religionists.  I agree with you in part but I have to recognise that something that has been a part of humanity forever will not disappear overnight.   Only by concerted effort by society as a whole will it disappear. It is true that for much of its existence religion has been a rather vacuous secular/materialist tool of control that has essentially been devoid of any spiritual meaning. This, I believe is what you and others would like to see disappear, and I'm with you. However it is a mistake to equate this with "true" religion, as in what the original purpose of the religion is. Doing so dismisses the innate human need for a spiritual sense of purpose, and an innate sense of the existence of God. You are essentially calling for one vacuous materialist system to replace another vacuous materialist system. Yet the real cause of disillusionment in religion IMO is not the rejection of its core message and purpose (a spiritual one), but rejection of the dogma of mainstream religion. Religion won't disappear, rather IMO it will transcend and start to reflect its true purpose. Its followers will eventually reject the vacuous dogma that has so dominated most religions for centuries, and will actually start following a far more fulfilling spiritual journey. And this by no means requires the scrapping of the religious texts - those are chock full of all the right spiritual guidance.

Spiritual has forever been harnessed by the worldly. Plato wanted philosophers, Jesus wanted the fishermen, Marx wanted the proles -but it's never the philosophers, the fishermen or the proles. It's the Malcolm Turnbulls, Rudds, Gillards, Howards, Keatings - it's the company men.

Mohammed is nobody's idea of a nice guy yet you poor sods have ended up with him as your best and brightest.  How's that for f Vcked with nowhere to turn?

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 4:58pm:

We could say Islam is a pox on humanity and a type of STD.  8-)

We know it's a sexually transmitted disease.

There are any number of innocent Muslim parents wringing their hands in despair at how they produced mass-murdering jihadi Warriors for Islam.

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:24pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 8:15pm: cant help yourself can you bwian....  you like insulting others but like an ignorant child keep blaming others... really? so you don't call the following insulting Grendel wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 8:15pm: Still obsessing bwian? Still no proof bwian? Still claim you are sensible? :D :D :D :D :D

Flame me and I'll flame back TROLLBOY you should know that....  is there anyone on this site you've never flamed? :D :D :D :D :D

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 6:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 5:46pm: tickleandrose wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 5:31pm: I disagree with both Brian and Gordon on this.  I believe religion is a necessity to control the human population as our society evolve.  However, we are now at a stage of free thinking and altruism.  As such, they now have outlived most of its purpose in many countries of the world.   However, no all countries and regions are equal in this remark, and therefore, it still has its uses.  In the future, religion should be practices as only free choice of the individual, and that there should be distinct separation of church and state (including education) in each nation.    But in this, we are talking at least 100 or may be even 200 years ahead.  Well, good luck getting that past the religionists.  I agree with you in part but I have to recognise that something that has been a part of humanity forever will not disappear overnight.   Only by concerted effort by society as a whole will it disappear. It is true that for much of its existence religion has been a rather vacuous secular/materialist tool of control that has essentially been devoid of any spiritual meaning. This, I believe is what you and others would like to see disappear, and I'm with you. However it is a mistake to equate this with "true" religion, as in what the original purpose of the religion is. Doing so dismisses the innate human need for a spiritual sense of purpose, and an innate sense of the existence of God. You are essentially calling for one vacuous materialist system to replace another vacuous materialist system. Yet the real cause of disillusionment in religion IMO is not the rejection of its core message and purpose (a spiritual one), but rejection of the dogma of mainstream religion. Religion won't disappear, rather IMO it will transcend and start to reflect its true purpose. Its followers will eventually reject the vacuous dogma that has so dominated most religions for centuries, and will actually start following a far more fulfilling spiritual journey. And this by no means requires the scrapping of the religious texts - those are chock full of all the right spiritual guidance.

A nice idea, G, but just as religions have become more pluralist and inclusive, many in their ranks have become more fundamentalist and dogmatic.

Alevine, Mistie and others blame "regressive leftists". They argue for more judgement and less ethical neutrality - less "tolerance". They blame the apologists for the fundamentalists - which they, themselves, have become in response.

What to do?

In ten years time, the world will look pretty much the same as it does today, only worse.

issuevoter wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:41pm:

In ten years time, the world will look pretty much the same as it does today, only worse.

It all depends on how the West deals with its own Muslims, either leaving them to remain as a pool from which the occasional jihadist mass-murderer will arise, or start a program of seriously sorting out the wheat from the chaff - and sending those on 'Watch Lists' straight back to their ancestral homelands without any tap-dancing with pro bono lawyers over 'Human Rights' issues.

A cherry-picking 'ethnic cleansing' exercise.

There are WAY too many 'Mohammads' being born in maternity wards throughout the West.

Here it is again, in graphic detail ....

Be afraid ... be VERY afraid ...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsD6AL3HJtM

issuevoter wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:41pm:

In ten years time, the world will look pretty much the same as it does today, only worse.

Yes, but we’ll be killing them, no?

Karnal wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:13pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 8:41pm: In ten years time, the world will look pretty much the same as it does today, only worse. Yes, but we’ll be killing them, no?

Aren't most muzziewoozies killed by other mooziewoozies?

Gordon wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:16pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 9:13pm: issuevoter wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 8:41pm: In ten years time, the world will look pretty much the same as it does today, only worse. Yes, but we’ll be killing them, no? Aren't most muzziewoozies killed by other mooziewoozies?

That’s not fair. We need to do it.

Kill them.

Grendel wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 5:35pm: Grendel wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 3:35pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 3:21pm: Grendel wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 3:11pm: oh dear....  unlike you I'm always sensible bwian...  :D :D :D :D :D Highly debatable.  So, is Pauline a Racist/Bigot/Xenophobe (take your pick)?   ::) Still obsessing bwian? Still no proof bwian? Still claim you are sensible? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/122743/2332811-yawn_20smiley.jpg cant help yourself can you bwian....  you like insulting others but like an ignorant child keep blaming others... You miss things right in front of your face and tell everyone you know better... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You are such a clown such and obsessive ratbag of a clown. I'd be giving that Dr of Divinity certificate back or throwing it away....   :D :D :D

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/122743/2332811-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 11:47pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 8:15pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 5:35pm: Grendel wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 3:35pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 3:21pm: Grendel wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 3:11pm: oh dear....  unlike you I'm always sensible bwian...  :D :D :D :D :D Highly debatable.  So, is Pauline a Racist/Bigot/Xenophobe (take your pick)?   ::) Still obsessing bwian? Still no proof bwian? Still claim you are sensible? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/122743/2332811-yawn_20smiley.jpg cant help yourself can you bwian....  you like insulting others but like an ignorant child keep blaming others... You miss things right in front of your face and tell everyone you know better... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You are such a clown such and obsessive ratbag of a clown. I'd be giving that Dr of Divinity certificate back or throwing it away....   :D :D :D http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/122743/2332811-yawn_20smiley.jpg

They are cheap enough to be disposable.   ;D.

Islam does not need to go, what needs to go is the current interpretations of Islam. But unfortunately this cannot happen while regressive left continues down its regressive path.  People like the divine doctor don't quite understand the damage they do each time they defend the extremes of Islam.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 19^th, 2016 at 6:24am:

Islam does not need to go, what needs to go is the current interpretations of Islam.

These are not 'interpretations'.

Christianity allows for 'interpretations' because nowhere does the bible claim to be the literal 'Word of God' as spoken through His Son.

It's why moderate Muslim scholars are unable to cite these violent jihadists as heretics. Peaceful moderates and mass-murdering jihadists are all taking their authority from the same source.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 19^th, 2016 at 6:24am:

Islam does not need to go.

Apologist.