Given all the concern about child abuse among the Aboriginal Communities as is demonstrated here (<<< link) will I hear the same outrage about what is happening here:

Link.


Quote:

The Guardian’s analysis of the files reveal that children are vastly over-represented in the reports. More than half of the 2,116 reports – a total of 1,086 incidents, or 51.3% – involve children, although children made up only about 18% of those in detention on Nauru during the time covered by the reports, May 2013 to October 2015. The findings come just weeks after the brutal treatment of young people in juvenile detention in the Northern Territory was exposed, leading to the Australian prime minister, Malcolm Turnbull, announcing a wide-ranging public inquiry.

And much more in the link.

Ferk you Dutton and Turnbull ~ not in my name!

If they don't like the situation they can go home with a payment.

Crying for refugees raping refugees.
Yuk.

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 7:35pm:

If they don't like the situation they can go home with a payment.

....and while they are at Nauru, you don't give a stuff what happens to them there?  You don't care about abuse of children?

Aussie wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 7:38pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 7:35pm: If they don't like the situation they can go home with a payment. ....and while they are at Nauru, you don't give a stuff what happens to them there?  You don't care about abuse of children?

I understand the complexity of the situation.

Aussie wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

Given all the concern about child abuse among the Aboriginal Communities as is demonstrated here (<<< link) will I hear the same outrage about what is happening here: Link. Quote: The Guardian’s analysis of the files reveal that children are vastly over-represented in the reports. More than half of the 2,116 reports – a total of 1,086 incidents, or 51.3% – involve children, although children made up only about 18% of those in detention on Nauru during the time covered by the reports, May 2013 to October 2015. The findings come just weeks after the brutal treatment of young people in juvenile detention in the Northern Territory was exposed, leading to the Australian prime minister, Malcolm Turnbull, announcing a wide-ranging public inquiry. And much more in the link. Ferk you Dutton and Turnbull ~ not in my name!

as far as I know these people didnt come here since the Libs got into power... although you blame Turnbull and Dutton...

can you explain how and when they came  in the first place....

The Guardian’s analysis of the files


ooops the guardians analysis.... right!

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 7:39pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 7:38pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 7:35pm: If they don't like the situation they can go home with a payment. ....and while they are at Nauru, you don't give a stuff what happens to them there?  You don't care about abuse of children? I understand the complexity of the situation.

Is it any more or less complex than the situation being discussed about aboriginal children?

cods wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 7:42pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 7:30pm: Given all the concern about child abuse among the Aboriginal Communities as is demonstrated here (<<< link) will I hear the same outrage about what is happening here: Link. Quote: The Guardian’s analysis of the files reveal that children are vastly over-represented in the reports. More than half of the 2,116 reports – a total of 1,086 incidents, or 51.3% – involve children, although children made up only about 18% of those in detention on Nauru during the time covered by the reports, May 2013 to October 2015. The findings come just weeks after the brutal treatment of young people in juvenile detention in the Northern Territory was exposed, leading to the Australian prime minister, Malcolm Turnbull, announcing a wide-ranging public inquiry. And much more in the link. Ferk you Dutton and Turnbull ~ not in my name! as far as I know these people didnt come here since the Libs got into power... although you blame Turnbull and Dutton... can you explain how and when they came  in the first place.... The Guardian’s analysis of the files ooops the guardians analysis.... right!

Historical cases.

cods wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 7:42pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 7:30pm: Given all the concern about child abuse among the Aboriginal Communities as is demonstrated here (<<< link) will I hear the same outrage about what is happening here: Link. Quote: The Guardian’s analysis of the files reveal that children are vastly over-represented in the reports. More than half of the 2,116 reports – a total of 1,086 incidents, or 51.3% – involve children, although children made up only about 18% of those in detention on Nauru during the time covered by the reports, May 2013 to October 2015. The findings come just weeks after the brutal treatment of young people in juvenile detention in the Northern Territory was exposed, leading to the Australian prime minister, Malcolm Turnbull, announcing a wide-ranging public inquiry. And much more in the link. Ferk you Dutton and Turnbull ~ not in my name! as far as I know these people didnt come here since the Libs got into power... although you blame Turnbull and Dutton... can you explain how and when they came  in the first place.... The Guardian’s analysis of the files ooops the guardians analysis.... right!

I don't know when they arrived and that is entirely irrelevant.  The Reports refer to events during the Abbott/Morrison/Turnbull/Dutton regimes.

You okay with children being abused at Nauru, cods?

Aussie wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 7:42pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 7:39pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 7:38pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 7:35pm: If they don't like the situation they can go home with a payment. ....and while they are at Nauru, you don't give a stuff what happens to them there?  You don't care about abuse of children? I understand the complexity of the situation. Is it any more or less complex than the situation being discussed about aboriginal children?

I don't see how they are connected to tell you the truth.

Aussie wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 7:42pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 7:39pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 7:38pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 7:35pm: If they don't like the situation they can go home with a payment. ....and while they are at Nauru, you don't give a stuff what happens to them there?  You don't care about abuse of children? I understand the complexity of the situation. Is it any more or less complex than the situation being discussed about aboriginal children?

well I think it is... because Aboriginal in custody are our responsibility....they are members of our country and we should not treat our children like they have been treated..

now as far as I can make out... these children shocking if its true...half the time it isnt....are being abused by their own.. not by Australian govt officials...

are you saying these children would never be abused in their country of birth.. because I find that hard to believe....these children did not get on a boat by themselves.....yet suddenly there is zillions of them....


what are we meant to do take them away like the stolen generation and make another do for our own backs.......how about we jail the perps....

or better still sympathy from ozpol members seem to do a lot of good... ::) ::) ::)

Aussie wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 7:45pm:

cods wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 7:42pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 7:30pm: Given all the concern about child abuse among the Aboriginal Communities as is demonstrated here (<<< link) will I hear the same outrage about what is happening here: Link. Quote: The Guardian’s analysis of the files reveal that children are vastly over-represented in the reports. More than half of the 2,116 reports – a total of 1,086 incidents, or 51.3% – involve children, although children made up only about 18% of those in detention on Nauru during the time covered by the reports, May 2013 to October 2015. The findings come just weeks after the brutal treatment of young people in juvenile detention in the Northern Territory was exposed, leading to the Australian prime minister, Malcolm Turnbull, announcing a wide-ranging public inquiry. And much more in the link. Ferk you Dutton and Turnbull ~ not in my name! as far as I know these people didnt come here since the Libs got into power... although you blame Turnbull and Dutton... can you explain how and when they came  in the first place.... The Guardian’s analysis of the files ooops the guardians analysis.... right! I don't know when they arrived and that is entirely irrelevant.  The Reports refer to events during the Abbott/Morrison/Turnbull/Dutton regimes. You okay with children being abused at Nauru, cods?

right on time... hahaha..

the point is WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO ABOUT IT>>. I have no control ov er Nauru??

you are just sh.i stirring...and for someone who admits he would deck a women...you dont have a lot to crow about.... we would have to be paying nauru a fortune let them fix it..

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 7:35pm:

If they don't like the situation they can go home with a payment.

Oh yes indeed.

'Refugees' - my arse!

What say ye, Yadda, bogarde73, PZ547, Sprintcyclist, lee, (to some extent) Setanta, Culture Warrior, Frank, Secret Wars, Gnads, Rhino, Neferti, The Mechanic and Mr Hammer.

Any concern about what is happening to kids (and women) we have plonked on Nauru?

Aussie wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 8:02pm:

What say ye, Yadda, bogarde73, PZ547, Sprintcyclist, lee, (to some extent) Setanta, Culture Warrior, Frank, Secret Wars, Gnads, Rhino, Neferti, The Mechanic and Mr Hammer. Any concern about what is happening to kids (and women) we have plonked on Nauru?

If Australia starts buckling and taking in asylum seekers the boats will start up again aussie. It's a stand off. We've been over this a million times.

Aussie wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 7:38pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 7:35pm: If they don't like the situation they can go home with a payment. ....and while they are at Nauru, you don't give a stuff what happens to them there?  You don't care about abuse of children?

Your are a sensationalist d1ck

the vast majority of people in detention off shore & on shore are males 19 to 40 yrs of age

the number of children is infinitesimal

stop trying to make out you are a person of conscience
when you are just a grandstander playing a leftard harp.

Aussie wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 8:02pm:

What say ye, Yadda, bogarde73, PZ547, Sprintcyclist, lee, (to some extent) Setanta, Culture Warrior, Frank, Secret Wars, Gnads, Rhino, Neferti, The Mechanic and Mr Hammer. Any concern about what is happening to kids (and women) we have plonked on Nauru?

I weep for them nightly. 

There ya go, raised to the pantheons of the progressive perched high on Mount and rendered impervious to criticism and consequences.

Tell ya what, this lefty lark is smacking easy.  No thinking required,  just parade your compassion.  No wonder it appeals to the dim witted.  :) :)

Secret Wars wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 8:16pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 8:02pm: What say ye, Yadda, bogarde73, PZ547, Sprintcyclist, lee, (to some extent) Setanta, Culture Warrior, Frank, Secret Wars, Gnads, Rhino, Neferti, The Mechanic and Mr Hammer. Any concern about what is happening to kids (and women) we have plonked on Nauru? I weep for them nightly.  There ya go, raised to the pantheons of the progressive perched high on Mount and rendered impervious to criticism and consequences. Tell ya what, this lefty lark is smacking easy.  No thinking required,  just parade your compassion.  No wonder it appeals to the dim witted.  :) :)

Pragmatism is a superpower these days :(

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 8:04pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 8:02pm: What say ye, Yadda, bogarde73, PZ547, Sprintcyclist, lee, (to some extent) Setanta, Culture Warrior, Frank, Secret Wars, Gnads, Rhino, Neferti, The Mechanic and Mr Hammer. Any concern about what is happening to kids (and women) we have plonked on Nauru? If Australia starts buckling and taking in asylum seekers the boats will start up again aussie. It's a stand off. We've been over this a million times.

Yeas, but it is not the point.  Kids are being abused on Nauru and we put them there.  We keep them there.  We must ensure they are safe from abuse there, yeas?

Or is it only dirty black abos who abuse kids we should be worried about as is outraged in the Cartoon thread?  Are those I have mentioned going to be consistent about abuse of children we have over-arching responsibility for?

Aussie wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 8:02pm:

What say ye, Yadda, bogarde73, PZ547, Sprintcyclist, lee, (to some extent) Setanta, Culture Warrior, Frank, Secret Wars, Gnads, Rhino, Neferti, The Mechanic and Mr Hammer. Any concern about what is happening to kids (and women) we have plonked on Nauru?

Children in our care should be protected. Any asylum seeker that is found to abuse them should be hog tied and flown back whence they came. If the perps are those who should be guarding them, gaol them just as we would do if they did it here.

Aussie wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 7:45pm:

The Reports refer to events during the Abbott/Morrison/Turnbull/Dutton regimes.

You seem to have forgotten some.

'More than half of the 2,116 reports – a total of 1,086 incidents, or 51.3% – involve children, although children made up only about 18% of those in detention on Nauru during the time covered by the reports, May 2013 to October 2015'

lee wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 8:25pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 7:45pm: The Reports refer to events during the Abbott/Morrison/Turnbull/Dutton regimes. You seem to have forgotten some. 'More than half of the 2,116 reports – a total of 1,086 incidents, or 51.3% – involve children, although children made up only about 18% of those in detention on Nauru during the time covered by the reports, May 2013 to October 2015'

He also forgot who legislated to put them there and ensuring that they would never ever be settled in Australia. 

I dips me lid to Rudd and Labor for stopping the boats.

Gnads wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 8:11pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 7:38pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 7:35pm: If they don't like the situation they can go home with a payment. ....and while they are at Nauru, you don't give a stuff what happens to them there?  You don't care about abuse of children? Your are a sensationalist d1ck the vast majority of people in detention off shore & on shore are males 19 to 40 yrs of age the number of children is infinitesimal stop trying to make out you are a person of conscience when you are just a grandstander playing a leftard harp.

Really?  From the link:


Quote:

On the last official count at the end of June, 442 people – 338 men, 55 women and 49 children

Do you not care that kids on Nauru (kids we put there) are being abused?

Secret Wars wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 8:29pm:

lee wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 8:25pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 7:45pm: The Reports refer to events during the Abbott/Morrison/Turnbull/Dutton regimes. You seem to have forgotten some. 'More than half of the 2,116 reports – a total of 1,086 incidents, or 51.3% – involve children, although children made up only about 18% of those in detention on Nauru during the time covered by the reports, May 2013 to October 2015' He also forgot who legislated to put them there and ensuring that they would never ever be settled in Australia.  I dips me lid to Rudd and Labor for stopping the boats.

Yeas, the Reports do cover just 4 months on the Labor Party being in Government.  We have had three years of Liberal control of what happens there.  I don't care who legislated they go there.  As we put and keep them there, we must ensure no-one is abused there.

Do you not care that children are being abused there, or does your concern only come to the surface when you have an opportunity to abo bash?

Aussie wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 8:02pm:

What say ye, Yadda, bogarde73, PZ547, Sprintcyclist, lee, (to some extent) Setanta, Culture Warrior, Frank, Secret Wars, Gnads, Rhino, Neferti, The Mechanic and Mr Hammer. Any concern about what is happening to kids (and women) we have plonked on Nauru?

How come I get left out of the Equation?

Let them eat cake! I say.

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 8:36pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 8:02pm: What say ye, Yadda, bogarde73, PZ547, Sprintcyclist, lee, (to some extent) Setanta, Culture Warrior, Frank, Secret Wars, Gnads, Rhino, Neferti, The Mechanic and Mr Hammer. Any concern about what is happening to kids (and women) we have plonked on Nauru? How come I get left out of the Equation? Let them eat cake! I say.

Is that the same as saying, "Let the kids be sexually abused?"

(You were left out because you did not jump on the abo bash in the Cartoon Thread.)

Aussie wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 8:30pm:

Gnads wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 8:11pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 7:38pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 7:35pm: If they don't like the situation they can go home with a payment. ....and while they are at Nauru, you don't give a stuff what happens to them there?  You don't care about abuse of children? Your are a sensationalist d1ck the vast majority of people in detention off shore & on shore are males 19 to 40 yrs of age the number of children is infinitesimal stop trying to make out you are a person of conscience when you are just a grandstander playing a leftard harp. Really?  From the link: Quote: On the last official count at the end of June, 442 people – 338 men, 55 women and 49 children Do you not care that kids on Nauru (kids we put there) are being abused?

100 women & children

338 men

a tad disproportionate don't you think?

and the same has applied to every boat load of illegals

a token amount of women & children & 85% to 90% of men between 19 & 45.

I suggest you use Mureen or Viseen ... your having problems with your vision

mainly oversight.

Aussie wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 8:34pm:

Yeas, the Reports do cover just 4 months on the Labor Party being in Government.  We have had three years of Liberal control of what happens there.

But the start date of the material is immaterial.  Unless you think the abuse suddenly started then.

Aussie wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 8:42pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 8:36pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 8:02pm: What say ye, Yadda, bogarde73, PZ547, Sprintcyclist, lee, (to some extent) Setanta, Culture Warrior, Frank, Secret Wars, Gnads, Rhino, Neferti, The Mechanic and Mr Hammer. Any concern about what is happening to kids (and women) we have plonked on Nauru? How come I get left out of the Equation? Let them eat cake! I say. Is that the same as saying, "Let the kids be sexually abused?" (You were left out because you did not jump on the abo bash in the Cartoon Thread.)

It's a disgrace that the women and kids are not isolated from the men.

lee wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 8:43pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 8:34pm: Yeas, the Reports do cover just 4 months on the Labor Party being in Government.  We have had three years of Liberal control of what happens there. But the start date of the material is immaterial.  Unless you think the abuse suddenly started then.

No I don't 'think' that.  I am saying we now know it is happening and that it is, is a national disgrace.  What do you say we should do about it?

Aussie wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 8:34pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 8:29pm: lee wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 8:25pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 7:45pm: The Reports refer to events during the Abbott/Morrison/Turnbull/Dutton regimes. You seem to have forgotten some. 'More than half of the 2,116 reports – a total of 1,086 incidents, or 51.3% – involve children, although children made up only about 18% of those in detention on Nauru during the time covered by the reports, May 2013 to October 2015' He also forgot who legislated to put them there and ensuring that they would never ever be settled in Australia.  I dips me lid to Rudd and Labor for stopping the boats. Yeas, the Reports do cover just 4 months on the Labor Party being in Government.  We have had three years of Liberal control of what happens there.  I don't care who legislated they go there.  As we put and keep them there, we must ensure no-one is abused there. Do you not care that children are being abused there, or does your concern only come to the surface when you have an opportunity to abo bash?

I told you, I weep nightly. 

PS clown, check my last 25 posts, or beyond if you can use the forums search function.  Post my abo bash.

But as you brought up bashing, and accusing me of an abo bash,  ain't you the bloke who bragged that you would bash a woman? ;D ;D ;D. 

Mods, that's was a fair riposte to the clown accusing me of abo bashing. 

The clown must have a short memory of his disgrace.

I notice that most of the reports come from children, who are a small minority of the detainees. It's entirely possible that these children are being coached in what to say to authorities by their parents or other adults on the premise that complaints by children will make for better press and engender more sympathy.

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 8:47pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 8:42pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 8:36pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 8:02pm: What say ye, Yadda, bogarde73, PZ547, Sprintcyclist, lee, (to some extent) Setanta, Culture Warrior, Frank, Secret Wars, Gnads, Rhino, Neferti, The Mechanic and Mr Hammer. Any concern about what is happening to kids (and women) we have plonked on Nauru? How come I get left out of the Equation? Let them eat cake! I say. Is that the same as saying, "Let the kids be sexually abused?" (You were left out because you did not jump on the abo bash in the Cartoon Thread.) It's a disgrace that the women and kids are not isolated from the men.

Exactly.  Women's and childrens should be kept separated from rest of the rapeugees.

Why aren't the rapists being immediately returned?

Aussie wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 8:47pm:

No I don't 'think' that.  I am saying we now know it is happening and that it is, is a national disgrace.  What do you say we should do about it?

Roll out a Cyclone fence to isolate the men from the women and children.

Gordon wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 8:49pm:

Why aren't the rapists being immediately returned?

Because they have 'Human Rights' just like the police chief said about Man Monis when he was in the Lindt cafe.

Secret Wars wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 8:47pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 8:34pm: Secret Wars wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 8:29pm: lee wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 8:25pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 7:45pm: The Reports refer to events during the Abbott/Morrison/Turnbull/Dutton regimes. You seem to have forgotten some. 'More than half of the 2,116 reports – a total of 1,086 incidents, or 51.3% – involve children, although children made up only about 18% of those in detention on Nauru during the time covered by the reports, May 2013 to October 2015' He also forgot who legislated to put them there and ensuring that they would never ever be settled in Australia.  I dips me lid to Rudd and Labor for stopping the boats. Yeas, the Reports do cover just 4 months on the Labor Party being in Government.  We have had three years of Liberal control of what happens there.  I don't care who legislated they go there.  As we put and keep them there, we must ensure no-one is abused there. Do you not care that children are being abused there, or does your concern only come to the surface when you have an opportunity to abo bash? I told you, I weep nightly.  PS clown, check my last 25 posts, or beyond if you can use the forums search function.  Post my abo bash. But as you brought up bashing, and accusing me of an abo bash,  ain't you the bloke who bragged that you would bash a woman? ;D ;D ;D.  Mods, that's was a fair riposte to the clown accusing me of abo bashing.  The clown must have a short memory of his disgrace.

Women bashers aren't all bad - many of them are simply deeply troubled men who have strong women who stay by their side.

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 8:52pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 8:47pm: No I don't 'think' that.  I am saying we now know it is happening and that it is, is a national disgrace.  What do you say we should do about it? Roll out a Cyclone fence to isolate the men from the women and children.

Perhaps you should read the link, Herbert.

Belgarion wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 8:47pm:

I notice that most of the reports come from children, who are a small minority of the detainees. It's entirely possible that these children are being coached in what to say to authorities by their parents or other adults on the premise that complaints by children will make for better press and engender more sympathy.

You're not trying to cover up child abuse, are you?

If they hadn't tried to jump the que, they would not be there.
If they had not tried to enter Australia ILLEGALLY, they would not be there.
If they had not paid people smugglers to get to an easy touch country and not just stayed in Indonesia, they would not be there.
If they had not country shopped and actually went to the first country that they could to allegedly get away from the trouble, they would not be there.
If they had the guts to fight the evil people who were destroying their country, they would not be there.

In short, they would not be there but for their own greed, fear, weakness and complicity.

Send them back, they are not wanted.

Aussie wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 7:38pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 7:35pm: If they don't like the situation they can go home with a payment. ....and while they are at Nauru, you don't give a stuff what happens to them there?  You don't care about abuse of children?

Refugees have no right to abuse children. While I can sympathise with the victims, the perpetrators have no reason to imply that being detained on Nauru has incited them to commit offences. Your implication is that being in detention has caused this situation. What you naively want to avoid is the fact that refugees from the Middle East have low morals, when it comes to taking care of children. If they sought asylum in another country, you would not hear about the abuse of children, because that other country would not share that kind of information with an Australian. If these 'refugees' were released in Australia, they would still be abusing the children. And then they probably would go after the Australian children. Of course, you would probably be shouting loud and long about how psychologically scarred they were from being looked after in accommodation.

Aussie wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

Given all the concern about child abuse among the Aboriginal Communities as is demonstrated here (<<< link) will I hear the same outrage about what is happening here: Link. Quote: The Guardian’s analysis of the files reveal that children are vastly over-represented in the reports. More than half of the 2,116 reports – a total of 1,086 incidents, or 51.3% – involve children, although children made up only about 18% of those in detention on Nauru during the time covered by the reports, May 2013 to October 2015. The findings come just weeks after the brutal treatment of young people in juvenile detention in the Northern Territory was exposed, leading to the Australian prime minister, Malcolm Turnbull, announcing a wide-ranging public inquiry. And much more in the link. Ferk you Dutton and Turnbull ~ not in my name!

for an ex lawyer you dont seem to understand the meaning of the word "allegedly". Or are you trying to claim that anyone who is the victim of a claim of abuse is automatically guilty without charges or prosecution?

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 9:50pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 7:38pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 7:35pm: If they don't like the situation they can go home with a payment. ....and while they are at Nauru, you don't give a stuff what happens to them there?  You don't care about abuse of children? Refugees have no right to abuse children. While I can sympathise with the victims, the perpetrators have no reason to imply that being detained on Nauru has incited them to commit offences. Your implication is that being in detention has caused this situation. What you naively want to avoid is the fact that refugees from the Middle East have low morals, when it comes to taking care of children. If they sought asylum in another country, you would not hear about the abuse of children, because that other country would not share that kind of information with an Australian. If these 'refugees' were released in Australia, they would still be abusing the children. And then they probably would go after the Australian children. Of course, you would probably be shouting loud and long about how psychologically scarred they were from being looked after in accommodation.

Ah.

Belgarion wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 8:47pm:

I notice that most of the reports come from children, who are a small minority of the detainees. It's entirely possible that these children are being coached in what to say to authorities by their parents or other adults on the premise that complaints by children will make for better press and engender more sympathy.

I doubt that. It would probably encourage Australians to be resolute about not wanting these asylum seekers in our community.

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 9:54pm:

Belgarion wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 8:47pm: I notice that most of the reports come from children, who are a small minority of the detainees. It's entirely possible that these children are being coached in what to say to authorities by their parents or other adults on the premise that complaints by children will make for better press and engender more sympathy. I doubt that. It would probably encourage Australians to be resolute about not wanting these asylum seekers in our community.

I wonder how many will be assaulted by the rapeugees we've let in?

Gordon wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 9:58pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 9:54pm: Belgarion wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 8:47pm: I notice that most of the reports come from children, who are a small minority of the detainees. It's entirely possible that these children are being coached in what to say to authorities by their parents or other adults on the premise that complaints by children will make for better press and engender more sympathy. I doubt that. It would probably encourage Australians to be resolute about not wanting these asylum seekers in our community. I wonder how many will be assaulted by the rapeugees we've let in?

How often do you wonder about rape?

Those responsible for offshore processing and the 'sovereign
borders' bullsh1t, from Howard right down to Dutton, should
be offered a clear, stark choice...

The Hague - or the hangman.

One or the other.

rhino wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 9:50pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 7:30pm: Given all the concern about child abuse among the Aboriginal Communities as is demonstrated here (<<< link) will I hear the same outrage about what is happening here: Link. Quote: The Guardian’s analysis of the files reveal that children are vastly over-represented in the reports. More than half of the 2,116 reports – a total of 1,086 incidents, or 51.3% – involve children, although children made up only about 18% of those in detention on Nauru during the time covered by the reports, May 2013 to October 2015. The findings come just weeks after the brutal treatment of young people in juvenile detention in the Northern Territory was exposed, leading to the Australian prime minister, Malcolm Turnbull, announcing a wide-ranging public inquiry. And much more in the link. Ferk you Dutton and Turnbull ~ not in my name! for an ex lawyer you dont seem to understand the meaning of the word "allegedly". Or are you trying to claim that anyone who is the victim of a claim of abuse is automatically guilty without charges or prosecution?

I agree they are allegations which raise matters of concern and they need to be addressed.  Turnbull raced to the schmedia today to tell us there will be an Inquiry into the entirely predictable collapse of the on-line Census process, but says nothing about these matters.  Abuse of children in our detention is well down on what needs to be inquired into, it isn't even mentioned by the PM.

Shows where his priorities are.

Aussie wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 10:10pm:

Abuse of children in our detention is well down on what needs to be inquired into

so you are thinking of the children but fine with bashing women? jesus you must have a head full of regrets ...

AiA wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 10:13pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 10:10pm: Abuse of children in our detention is well down on what needs to be inquired into so you are thinking of the children but fine with bashing women? jesus you must have a head full of regrets ...

derailing a thread here

Agnes wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 10:14pm:

AiA wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 10:13pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 10:10pm: Abuse of children in our detention is well down on what needs to be inquired into so you are thinking of the children but fine with bashing women? jesus you must have a head full of regrets ... derailing a thread here

no, I am right on topic Miss Agnes.

Aussie wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 10:10pm:

rhino wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 9:50pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 7:30pm: Given all the concern about child abuse among the Aboriginal Communities as is demonstrated here (<<< link) will I hear the same outrage about what is happening here: Link. Quote: The Guardian’s analysis of the files reveal that children are vastly over-represented in the reports. More than half of the 2,116 reports – a total of 1,086 incidents, or 51.3% – involve children, although children made up only about 18% of those in detention on Nauru during the time covered by the reports, May 2013 to October 2015. The findings come just weeks after the brutal treatment of young people in juvenile detention in the Northern Territory was exposed, leading to the Australian prime minister, Malcolm Turnbull, announcing a wide-ranging public inquiry. And much more in the link. Ferk you Dutton and Turnbull ~ not in my name! for an ex lawyer you dont seem to understand the meaning of the word "allegedly". Or are you trying to claim that anyone who is the victim of a claim of abuse is automatically guilty without charges or prosecution? I agree they are allegations which raise matters of concern and they need to be addressed.  Turnbull raced to the schmedia today to tell us there will be an Inquiry into the entirely predictable collapse of the on-line Census process, but says nothing about these matters.  Abuse of children in our detention is well down on what needs to be inquired into, it isn't even mentioned by the PM. Shows where his priorities are.

What about abuse of aboriginal children which is well documented, in far greater proportion and which has been going on for ever. How about an inquiry into that?

rhino wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 10:16pm:

What about abuse of aboriginal children which is well documented, in far greater proportion and which has been going on for ever. How about an inquiry into that?

Yes, what about the children? Won't somebody think about the children?

AiA wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 10:13pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 10:10pm: Abuse of children in our detention is well down on what needs to be inquired into so you are thinking of the children but fine with bashing women? jesus you must have a head full of regrets ...

I am not 'fine' with bashing women, and I have never lifted a finger to a woman, ever. 

rhino wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 10:16pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 10:10pm: rhino wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 9:50pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 7:30pm: Given all the concern about child abuse among the Aboriginal Communities as is demonstrated here (<<< link) will I hear the same outrage about what is happening here: Link. Quote: The Guardian’s analysis of the files reveal that children are vastly over-represented in the reports. More than half of the 2,116 reports – a total of 1,086 incidents, or 51.3% – involve children, although children made up only about 18% of those in detention on Nauru during the time covered by the reports, May 2013 to October 2015. The findings come just weeks after the brutal treatment of young people in juvenile detention in the Northern Territory was exposed, leading to the Australian prime minister, Malcolm Turnbull, announcing a wide-ranging public inquiry. And much more in the link. Ferk you Dutton and Turnbull ~ not in my name! for an ex lawyer you dont seem to understand the meaning of the word "allegedly". Or are you trying to claim that anyone who is the victim of a claim of abuse is automatically guilty without charges or prosecution? I agree they are allegations which raise matters of concern and they need to be addressed.  Turnbull raced to the schmedia today to tell us there will be an Inquiry into the entirely predictable collapse of the on-line Census process, but says nothing about these matters.  Abuse of children in our detention is well down on what needs to be inquired into, it isn't even mentioned by the PM. Shows where his priorities are. What about abuse of aboriginal children which is well documented, in far greater proportion and which has been going on for ever. How about an inquiry into that?

Absolutely!  I'm all for it but Malcolm has more important things to worry about like the dumbarse Census matter.

Can you all cut it out with the woman bashing thing, you've had your say, leave off please.

Secret Wars wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 8:47pm:

I told you, I weep nightly.  PS clown, check my last 25 posts, or beyond if you can use the forums search function.  Post my abo bash. But as you brought up bashing, and accusing me of an abo bash,  ain't you the bloke who bragged that you would bash a woman? ;D ;D ;D. Mods, that's was a fair riposte to the clown accusing me of abo bashing.  The clown must have a short memory of his disgrace.

That is getting pretty damn close to what I asked you to stop.

Setanta wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 10:31pm:

Can you all cut it out with the woman bashing thing, you've had your say, leave off please.

What about the children?

AiA wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 10:45pm:

Setanta wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 10:31pm: Can you all cut it out with the woman bashing thing, you've had your say, leave off please. What about the children?

Yours or mine?

Setanta wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 10:49pm:

AiA wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 10:45pm: Setanta wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 10:31pm: Can you all cut it out with the woman bashing thing, you've had your say, leave off please. What about the children? Yours or mine?

Yours are mine  :D

AiA wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 10:53pm:

Setanta wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 10:49pm: AiA wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 10:45pm: Setanta wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 10:31pm: Can you all cut it out with the woman bashing thing, you've had your say, leave off please. What about the children? Yours or mine? Yours are mine  :D

You did a good job with them!  ;)

Setanta wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 10:53pm:

AiA wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 10:53pm: Setanta wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 10:49pm: AiA wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 10:45pm: Setanta wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 10:31pm: Can you all cut it out with the woman bashing thing, you've had your say, leave off please. What about the children? Yours or mine? Yours are mine  :D You did a good job with them!  ;)

I can't take the credit. It was my Super Sperm.

It  is a HUGE black mark against Australian Governments and Australian people who sit back in their comfy chairs and speak absolute CRAP.

Nauru and Manus Island are atrocities perpetrated by us on refugees, and NO BS can excuse any of it.

I am totally disgusted by posters here who peddle fear and hate against totally defenceless men women and children held illegally and forced to live in inhumane circumstances BY US the people of Australia.

I find it very hard to understand HOW we can continue to let this happen.

All of you who make jokes and approve this utter breach of our obligations as decent human beings should be tossed out of Australia, cause you don't deserve to live here. YOU ARE  disgusting SLUGS and make me ashamed to be an Australian citizen.

AND SPARE ME the go somewhere else garbage... I want to be PROUD of how we treat people, not feel like a pariah for being Australian. Children particularly are victims here, BUT SO ARE the women and men , locked up and hidden away by OUR GOVT POLICY.

WE ARE RESPONSIBLE for such unbelievable behaviour we should be condemned WORLD-WIDE. AND we ARE being noticed around the world for this abhorrent regime . IT ISN'T a SECRET, no matter how much legislation the Govt creates to hide our foulness.


WE MUST SHUTDOWN THESE HORRIBLE CAMPS IMMEDIATELY.



Words fail me to express the horror of what we are doing.
  :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

WE ARE DISGUSTING examples of human beings while we continue this policy.

AiA wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 10:20pm:

rhino wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 10:16pm: What about abuse of aboriginal children which is well documented, in far greater proportion and which has been going on for ever. How about an inquiry into that? Yes, what about the children? Won't somebody think about the children?

Needless to say claims of children being raped would have been advised by visitting luvvies as a ploy for getting transferred to the mainland.

Emma wrote on Aug 11^th, 2016 at 4:11am:

It  is a HUGE black mark against Australian Governments and Australian people who sit back in their comfy chairs and speak absolute CRAP. Nauru and Manus Island are atrocities perpetrated by us on refugees, and NO BS can excuse any of it. I am totally disgusted by posters here who peddle fear and hate against totally defenceless men women and children held illegally and forced to live in inhumane circumstances BY US the people of Australia. I find it very hard to understand HOW we can continue to let this happen. All of you who make jokes and approve this utter breach of our obligations as decent human beings should be tossed out of Australia, cause you don't deserve to live here. YOU ARE  disgusting SLUGS and make me ashamed to be an Australian citizen. AND SPARE ME the go somewhere else garbage... I want to be PROUD of how we treat people, not feel like a pariah for being Australian. Children particularly are victims here, BUT SO ARE the women and men , locked up and hidden away by OUR GOVT POLICY. WE ARE RESPONSIBLE for such unbelievable behaviour we should be condemned WORLD-WIDE. AND we ARE being noticed around the world for this abhorrent regime . IT ISN'T a SECRET, no matter how much legislation the Govt creates to hide our foulness. WE MUST SHUTDOWN THESE HORRIBLE CAMPS IMMEDIATELY. Words fail me to express the horror of what we are doing.   :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( WE ARE DISGUSTING examples of human beings while we continue this policy.

What exactly are you trying to say here, Emma?  8-)

Could you be more specific, please.

We are responsible for the care of these people and we are failing badly, with this off-shore processing and indefinite incarceration of refugees in inhumane conditions.

Did you hear Dutton tonight on 7.30 Report. Disgusting piece of work, who cares nothing about the welfare of these people. It is not illegal to be a refugee.

. We must close down these detention camps and bring these people to Australia, and deal with them humanely.

Thats just it.

WE are not responsible.
The responsibility lies with the leaders of the countries from which they fled.
It lies with the gutless men who will not fight against this evil for their own family, but just run and leave it to others.
It lies with the criminals who kill, torture and molest people in these countries.
Basically the blame lies with the religion that creates hate, fear, and does atrocities to its own people for no other reason other than for some sick cult.

We are simply trying to prevent this unstoppable tide of cult fanatics from coming here and doing to our great country, what it has done and allowed to have done from where they come.

It would be a different matter if these people came here and worked, contributed and assimilated just as all the wonderful immigrants of the past.
Australia has always welcomed these great people, from any culture, but these ILLEGAL immigrants do not work (86% do not have jobs).
They do not contribute, they protest, insult and denigrate us to our faces, all the while indulging in criminal activities (Nearly every name mentioned in the papers for almost every crime is of their ilk).
They do not assimilate, they alienate, they isolate and demand rights they have no right to demand.

Bring back the days of good immigrants and send these deadbeats back, they have no place in civilized countries.

That is SO SAD. :(

They are refugees trying to escape exactly the conditions you have described.
They are not illegals, they are refugees, and YES it IS our responsibility to care for them, not throw them into camps with utter disregard to their welfare.

Many of them are educated and more than willing to work. To generalise as you have is just not correct.  After yrs... mths  whatever in these hell holes WE have knowingly created, they are often so damaged and traumatised by the experiences they have suffered, because of US, they need a lot of care . WE create this, and your views are indescribably sad, and shows exactly what drives the pollies to try for political points scoring, abrogating responsibility and failing in all decent responsibility of care, that falls to everyone of us.

You should try to '"walk in their shoes"... try a bit of love and humankindness.. it'd be good for your cankered soul.

Emma wrote on Aug 11^th, 2016 at 9:38pm:

That is SO SAD. :( They are refugees trying to escape exactly the conditions you have described. They are not illegals, they are refugees, and YES it IS our responsibility to care for them, not throw them into camps with utter disregard to their welfare. Many of them are educated and more than willing to work. To generalise as you have is just not correct.  After yrs... mths  whatever in these hell holes WE have knowingly created, they are often so damaged and traumatised by the experiences they have suffered, because of US, they need a lot of care . WE create this, and your views are indescribably sad, and shows exactly what drives the pollies to try for political points scoring, abrogating responsibility and failing in all decent responsibility of care, that falls to everyone of us. You should try to '"walk in their shoes"... try a bit of love and humankindness.. it'd be good for your cankered soul.

What is it they used to do studies on? How many people would just step over a dead man on the footpath or summin?

Sorry Setanta but your point escapes me.

Emma wrote on Aug 11^th, 2016 at 9:38pm:

That is SO SAD. :( They are refugees trying to escape exactly the conditions you have described. They are not illegals, they are refugees, and YES it IS our responsibility to care for them, not throw them into camps with utter disregard to their welfare. Many of them are educated and more than willing to work. To generalise as you have is just not correct.  After yrs... mths  whatever in these hell holes WE have knowingly created, they are often so damaged and traumatised by the experiences they have suffered, because of US, they need a lot of care . WE create this, and your views are indescribably sad, and shows exactly what drives the pollies to try for political points scoring, abrogating responsibility and failing in all decent responsibility of care, that falls to everyone of us. You should try to '"walk in their shoes"... try a bit of love and humankindness.. it'd be good for your cankered soul.

they are illegal immigrants who pass through a number of countries in which they can safely live before embarking on boats to australia. there is no equating them to the Vietnamese boat people who have been a net positive gain for Australia.

How do you reach that conclusion.?
There is nothing to say that if we accepted them properly, in the first place, that they wouldn't ALSO add value to our country.

It is just politcal point scoring, at huge human cost.
.

Its obvious there is a distinct cultural difference between these middle easterners and other migrants.

Emma wrote on Aug 11^th, 2016 at 10:22pm:

How do you reach that conclusion.? There is nothing to say that if we accepted them properly, in the first place, that they wouldn't ALSO add value to our country.

Sure there is, we have the example in our country already. Compare the asians to the middle easterners living here.


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It is just politcal point scoring, at huge human cost. .

we need to bring in those more compatible with Western society. Islamic culture is fked

Why do you think all the people locked up indefinitely are Muslim?

You have some real info to support that? Like to see it. You just assume that.. I'd say you are just speaking from ignorance.  So, big ears tell us the breakdown of the cultures of the people held in detention offshore.

I have some knowledge due to the nature of my work. And no, its not on Nauru or Manus. Im in a bind here because I cannot publically identify.

Emma, we feel no shame in locking up people who have entered Australia without documentation. I would suffer the same fate, if I enter any country in the world without documentation. But, atleast in Australia, I would be treated to 3 meals a day, a bed, shelter, clothing, showers, and entertainment. Asylum seekers/illegal immigrants (take your pick) are treated better than prisoners. Except prisoners have this stigma of having committed something illegal. Asylum seekers are yet to have their fate determined as either refugees or illegal immigrants. Trust me, I have been inside a prison, and the accommodations are not bad.

We have embassies in all countries that are on the way to Australia. Asylum seekers have the right to seek asylum through embassies, as far as I know. There is no reason to try force our hand to accept them, by boating to Australia. They boat here with the intention of making Australia accept them as refugees. Otherwise, they would be having to wait their turn behind other more genuine cases.


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I am totally disgusted by posters here who peddle fear and hate against totally defenceless men women and children held illegally and forced to live in inhumane circumstances BY US the people of Australia.

They had the ability to face the conditions of high seas, when they could have stayed in Indonesia. They aren't that defenceless if they are willing to take on a perilous journey like that. Realistically, if they are willing to do that, then they should be able to take on their oppressors in their home country.

I mean, are you really missing the point? They are claiming to be fleeing persecution and/or death for some reason in their home country. Beggars can't be choosers. If I was fleeing a considerable threat, a safe haven, 3 meals a day, and a bed is a good start to overcome the threat. From there, I can start to organise ways of taking on a new life, or re-engage in getting back to my homeland.


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All of you who make jokes and approve this utter breach of our obligations as decent human beings should be tossed out of Australia, cause you don't deserve to live here. YOU ARE  disgusting SLUGS and make me ashamed to be an Australian citizen.

Since you present yourself as a social justice warrior on this forum, perhaps it should be YOU that gives up your accommodation, your job, and your place in Australian society. Head overseas to wherever the refugee came from, and do something about righting the wrongs over there. Rotsa ruck!


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WE ARE RESPONSIBLE for such unbelievable behaviour we should be condemned WORLD-WIDE. AND we ARE being noticed around the world for this abhorrent regime . IT ISN'T a SECRET, no matter how much legislation the Govt creates to hide our foulness.

I don't know if you have been paying attention, but the policies of the rulers in those dystopian societies that asylum seekers are from are what motivate the asylum seekers to come here. What do you expect to do to change the reason why asylum seekers are asylum seekers? Oh, what do you care anyway? You are more concerned about giving boat people 5-star accommodation, or perhaps let out into the community without proper checks on as who they are identified. Give it 20 years with your stupid, naive policy, and Australia will turn into the country resembling where the refugees came.

Europe, over the last year, has seen a major influx of Syrians and Middle Easterners, looking to colonise Europe and introduce Islam, forcing it upon the Europeans. Many southern European nations are closing the borders to the boat people. Some European nations are looking to emulate Australia's housing of asylum seekers offshore.

As much as you want to bury your head in the sand and pretend it is not happening, we are at a cross roads where people are lying to humanitarian nations, such as Australia. Lying about who they are, and what their intentions, is what we have to contend with, in dealing with asylum seekers. They are playing YOU like a sucker. And it is the silent majority who seem to be paying for your mistakes.

rhino wrote on Aug 11^th, 2016 at 10:06pm:

they are illegal immigrants

Nope.


rhino wrote on Aug 11^th, 2016 at 10:06pm:

who pass through a number of countries in which they can safely live before embarking on boats to australia.

Nothing illegal, or wrong with that.

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 11^th, 2016 at 11:54pm:

Trust me, I have been inside a prison, and the accommodations are not bad.

AHH but you weren't on Nauru or Manus Island were you. Big difference.

furthermore, Australia has no obligation to accept these illegal immigrants who arrive here illegally.

Emma wrote on Aug 11^th, 2016 at 11:59pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 11:54pm: Trust me, I have been inside a prison, and the accommodations are not bad. AHH but you weren't on Nauru or Manus Island were you. Big difference.

No comparison.

rhino wrote on Aug 11^th, 2016 at 11:59pm:

furthermore, Australia has no obligation to accept these illegal immigrants who arrive here illegally.

They aren't illegal immigrants.

You've been misinformed, or you're an uneducated ignoramus.

Which is it?

rhino wrote on Aug 11^th, 2016 at 11:02pm:

I have some knowledge due to the nature of my work. And no, its not on Nauru or Manus. Im in a bind here because I cannot publically identify.

Yes, you are in a bind because the Govt has legislated to prevent the Australian people from knowing the truth. I am pleased that you have at least admitted that you have no experience of the realities of \\\\\\\\Nauru or Manus Island. You do not know, so I think your assertion that all the detainess men women and children, held illegally in detention are Muslims, are based on nothing but your own ignorance.

Morever, these people enter Australia illegally and are legally able to be immediately deported..

rhino wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 12:03am:

Morever, these people enter Australia illegally ...

Nope.

Perfectly legal.

Emma wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 12:03am:

rhino wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 11:02pm: I have some knowledge due to the nature of my work. And no, its not on Nauru or Manus. Im in a bind here because I cannot publically identify. Yes, you are in a bind because the Govt has legislated to prevent the Australian people from knowing the truth. I am pleased that you have at least admitted that you have no experience of the realities of \\\\\\\\Nauru or Manus Island. You do not know, so I think your assertion that all the detainess men women and children, held illegally in detention are Muslims, are based on nothing but your own ignorance.

suit yourself. gorblok amat

Emma wrote on Aug 11^th, 2016 at 11:59pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 11:54pm: Trust me, I have been inside a prison, and the accommodations are not bad. AHH but you weren't on Nauru or Manus Island were you. Big difference.

Like I told you: If I was desperate for asylum, a roof over my head, a change of clothes, 3 meals a day, and a bed to sleep on, and safe, would be ideal over being homeless, hungry, and persecuted. Can you show that these asylum seekers are getting anything less?

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 12:12am:

Emma wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 11:59pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 11:54pm: Trust me, I have been inside a prison, and the accommodations are not bad. AHH but you weren't on Nauru or Manus Island were you. Big difference. Like I told you: If I was desperate for asylum, a roof over my head, a change of clothes, 3 meals a day, and a bed to sleep on, and safe, would be ideal over being homeless, hungry, and persecuted. Can you show that these asylum seekers are getting anything less?

DOH..  this leak does that for me. Perhaps you haven't checked it out. Have a look and enlighten yourself... people all over the world have seen it, on major News programs. Guess you missed it eh?

Emma wrote on Aug 11^th, 2016 at 9:58pm:

Sorry Setanta but your point escapes me.

People don't care * when a certain population density is reached. Rats do the same.

edit: *about each other

Emma wrote on Aug 11^th, 2016 at 9:24pm:

We are responsible for the care of these people and we are failing badly, with this off-shore processing and indefinite incarceration of refugees in inhumane conditions.

As a boarding school student I was incarcerated for many years in inhumane conditions, but we who survived those privations emerged as alpha-stallions alpha-young men with thick skins and with no tolerance for sissies.



Emma wrote on Aug 11^th, 2016 at 9:24pm:

It is not illegal to be a refugee.

100% correct.

But they are no longer classified as 'refugees' once they have left countries of safe haven to try their luck at taking up residence in the Anglosphere. 

The lefty do-gooder tries to pump their ego with all this chest thumping.

It is very low consciousness behaviour and it reflects the ego of the lefty.

You see looney lefties think that a big ego means attachment to money or fancy cars or nice real estate. It can, but most successful people are not attached to these things (they are attached to a sense of contribution).

In fact, most big egos are pumped by attachment to ideas and belief systems. The very rigid and fixed belief system of the Emma peel, the Sarah hansen Young etc, is no different to the attachment to ideas and thought and belief systems of the ISIS commander who seeks to hate "other".

the looney left and the ISIS commander both seek to find their identity by hating on "other", in this case people who dont hold their ideology.

It is a sickness.

Now the rightie must not do this either.
the rightie must not hate on the refugee or he is also pumping his identity by hating on "otherness".

So the rightie must engage with the refugee and be solution focused and un emotional.
He must find a way of moving the refugee back to where he came from and convince the refugee that we are a compassionate people but we are not doormats and that we have a right to construct australia as a 'positive ecosystem of good emotions".

If a refugee , was, for example always smiling and cheerful , always whistling whilst he worked at naru, always postive and contributing a good vibe,then we should say...welcome to out ecosytem of good emotions.
if a refugee is sad and self pitying and angry and complaining, this state of emotions needs to be corrected and we must all master our own emotions.

i hope self help seminars are being done on naru. if they arent, i am happy to send some tapes there in a spirit of contribution

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 12:04am:

rhino wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 12:03am: Morever, these people enter Australia illegally ... Nope. Perfectly legal.

without papers it isnt legal...

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 6:35am:

Emma wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:24pm: We are responsible for the care of these people and we are failing badly, with this off-shore processing and indefinite incarceration of refugees in inhumane conditions. As a boarding school student I was incarcerated for many years in inhumane conditions, but we who survived those privations emerged as alpha-stallions alpha-young men with thick skins and with no tolerance for sissies. Emma wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:24pm: It is not illegal to be a refugee. 100% correct. But they are no longer classified as 'refugees' once they have left countries of safe haven to try their luck at taking up residence in the Anglosphere.

I think one of the biggest problems with this classification   is these people have paid huge sums to people smugglers to get them to a destination...... that people smugglers tell them they have every right to expect to be welcomed with open arms...

its isnt fair of course it isnt.. but until Indonesia accepts the responsibility for people smugglers....it will keep going on......its a cruel business......but if we allow them to get away with it.......

they wont stop... they will grow....

hence detention centres....

There is a well known practice of country shopping exhibited by these ILLEGAL immigrants.

They make their way to a country with a list of all the benifits, claims and legal machinations so that they can fleece the country and its people.

They do not come to contribute, to work or to assimilate.
They come to bludge, to commit crime and rob, and to alienate themselves while screaming racism to forestall any who try to suppress the evil cult they wish to infect the world with.

Deny any of this.

86% of ILLEGALS do not have jobs, they are all on the dole and seem to know ways to get the most out of the system by claiming the disability pension. They know that breeding like rabbits also brings in more free money and they know all the right buttons to push to get public housing and free everything.
It is the same in many other countries, in Sweden (I'm not sure of the exact percentages, due to the PC brigade suppression of FACTS) But a huge percentage of their welfare goes to a very small percentage of their population....the country shoppers.

They have a very high presence in illegal activities.
Unless you put your fingers in your ears and sing La la la la while closing your eyes every day, you will hane noticed that far too much crime involves a very small percentage of people...ILLEGALS.
Sex crime, theft, murder as well as genital mutilation, bashing and drug trafficking, is an every day activity in every newspaper and television story, all perpetrated by 3% of our population.
Do you see the problem here yet?

Finally, in the past, immigrants have come to Australia and become Australian.
They have worked, contributed and been a boon to our great country.
Hell many of my immigrant friends are more Australian than I am. They have assimilated so well that they are the best thing that has ever happened to our country.
One of my good friends has 4 children, each has married a different race and in 3 cases different religions.
They are accepted and embraced by their families all.
Now look at these ILLEGAL immigrants, they separate themselves totally in self induced ostracism, marry cousins and family, and refuse to become a part of our great country, the whole time while screaming racism (its religion you freaks).
They deliberately create a tension that is palpable and look for reasons to protest and be violent, (Yes demanding the beheading of someone is classified as violent in my mind).
They will never fit in.
They want us to accept them unconditionally, while refusing to tolerate our culture in any way.
They insult, denigrate and violently act against us.

If you cannot see the problem here, you are obviously never going to.
This problem with ILLEGALS has cause Sweden to shut its borders.
It has seen France being torn apart by tension from a single source.
It is directly responsible for terrorism at a level never seen by mankind before.

WE DO NOT WANT THESE PEOPLE HERE.
We need immigrants in Australia.
We are enriched by our immigrants and have become a great nation because of them.

But we have the right to select LEGAL immigrants from ILLEGAL country shopping immigrants.
At Nauru, they are not poorly treated, they are fed, given mobile phones and even have access to the island if they behave like humans.
They in turn attack our people, rape their own people and abuse their own children, do you really want this type of person here?????????
Seriously???????????


   

Valkie wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 9:11am:

There is a well known practice of country shopping exhibited by these ILLEGAL immigrants. They make their way to a country with a list of all the benifits, claims and legal machinations so that they can fleece the country and its people. They do not come to contribute, to work or to assimilate. They come to bludge, to commit crime and rob, and to alienate themselves while screaming racism to forestall any who try to suppress the evil cult they wish to infect the world with. Deny any of this. 86% of ILLEGALS do not have jobs, they are all on the dole and seem to know ways to get the most out of the system by claiming the disability pension. They know that breeding like rabbits also brings in more free money and they know all the right buttons to push to get public housing and free everything. It is the same in many other countries, in Sweden (I'm not sure of the exact percentages, due to the PC brigade suppression of FACTS) But a huge percentage of their welfare goes to a very small percentage of their population....the country shoppers. They have a very high presence in illegal activities. Unless you put your fingers in your ears and sing La la la la while closing your eyes every day, you will hane noticed that far too much crime involves a very small percentage of people...ILLEGALS. Sex crime, theft, murder as well as genital mutilation, bashing and drug trafficking, is an every day activity in every newspaper and television story, all perpetrated by 3% of our population. Do you see the problem here yet? Finally, in the past, immigrants have come to Australia and become Australian. They have worked, contributed and been a boon to our great country. Hell many of my immigrant friends are more Australian than I am. They have assimilated so well that they are the best thing that has ever happened to our country. One of my good friends has 4 children, each has married a different race and in 3 cases different religions. They are accepted and embraced by their families all. Now look at these ILLEGAL immigrants, they separate themselves totally in self induced ostracism, marry cousins and family, and refuse to become a part of our great country, the whole time while screaming racism (its religion you freaks). They deliberately create a tension that is palpable and look for reasons to protest and be violent, (Yes demanding the beheading of someone is classified as violent in my mind). They will never fit in. They want us to accept them unconditionally, while refusing to tolerate our culture in any way. They insult, denigrate and violently act against us. If you cannot see the problem here, you are obviously never going to. This problem with ILLEGALS has cause Sweden to shut its borders. It has seen France being torn apart by tension from a single source. It is directly responsible for terrorism at a level never seen by mankind before. WE DO NOT WANT THESE PEOPLE HERE. We need immigrants in Australia. We are enriched by our immigrants and have become a great nation because of them. But we have the right to select LEGAL immigrants from ILLEGAL country shopping immigrants. At Nauru, they are not poorly treated, they are fed, given mobile phones and even have access to the island if they behave like humans. They in turn attack our people, rape their own people and abuse their own children, do you really want this type of person here????????? Seriously???????????

Very well put Valkie.

i sort of look at myself as an entity, not really a human.
countries need to look at themselves as entities as well.

so you put good stuff in.

lets take the example of a great nightclub.

it has tons of good emotions inside, tons of great people, tons of fun, tons of good vibing.....it is packed with goodness.

but it also has a very strong door.
try to get in if you are a negative loser and the big bouncer will toss your sorry a*ss to the footpath.
Get in and start being a dick and you will be similarly ejected.

a nightclub has this "structural integrity"
Each human, each family, each workplace , each sporting team and certainly each nation needs to have tons of good emotions, you get let in when you are willing to add to the party and  a big tough bouncer so there is no tolerance whatsoever for loser, negative and scrubby behaviour

cods wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 6:57am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 12:04am: rhino wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 12:03am: Morever, these people enter Australia illegally ... Nope. Perfectly legal. without papers it isnt legal...

Thats right Cods. You certainly know a lot more about this than this GreggaryPeccary fellow

cods wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 6:57am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 12:04am: rhino wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 12:03am: Morever, these people enter Australia illegally ... Nope. Perfectly legal. without papers it isnt legal...

They don't enter illegally.

You have been misinformed.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 10:27am:

cods wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 6:57am: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 12:04am: rhino wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 12:03am: Morever, these people enter Australia illegally ... Nope. Perfectly legal. without papers it isnt legal... They don't enter illegally. You have been misinformed.

Try getting off a jet into ANY country and entering the country without a passport.

You will be arrested and charged with.......wait for it.......ILLEGAL ENTRY.

QED      Trying to enter Australia without a passoprt and you are ILLEGALLY attempting to enter Australia.


But lets look at this from a logical perspective.
There has been quite a few cases found where these so called refugees have flown to Indonesia and then conveniently lost their passport.

All toss their passports overboard before they get to Australia.
Now, one must ask why they would do this?
What have they got to hide?

Are they criminals in their own country, this is quite possible as many are involved in sexual assault, and crime.
A leopard cannot change its spots, so it does the same in Australia.

Perhaps they are murderers, Somali are known pirates, murdering, thieving, disgusting pirates.
Who is to say that the Somali refugees are not Somali pirates, imagine the outcry if they were Nazis?

Perhaps they are simply criminals, this would explain why so many resort to crime.

LEGAL immigrants, willing to work, contribute and assimilate are all welcome.
LEGAL immigrants bring their passports and are proven not be criminals.

ILLEGAL immigrants are not willing to work, do not contribute and do not assimilate.
ILLEGAL immigrants do not have their passports and MUST be assumed to be criminals.

Valkie wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 12:55pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 10:27am: cods wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 6:57am: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 12:04am: rhino wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 12:03am: Morever, these people enter Australia illegally ... Nope. Perfectly legal. without papers it isnt legal... They don't enter illegally. You have been misinformed. Try getting off a jet into ANY country and entering the country without a passport. You will be arrested and charged with.......wait for it.......ILLEGAL ENTRY.

First: you wouldn't be able to enter the country.

I'm not sure if you've ever been to an international airport, but you don't just walk off the plane and then out into the street.

Second: we're talking about asylum seekers, in boats.

If they claim asylum, it's not illegal.

Valkie wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 12:55pm:

All Some toss their passports overboard before they get to Australia. Now, one must ask why they would do this?

And one should listen to the reasons.

"Asylum seekers arriving by boat are fleeing persecution.

"They come from countries like Iran, Afghanistan
and Sri Lanka where opponents of the government
or ethnic minorities are routinely arrested, tortured
and killed.

"If they are caught before they can get away
or in a country that does not accept asylum seekers,
they will be returned and handed over to their government.

"Having tried to
flee, the asylum seeker is
viewed as a traitor as well as an opponent of the government and could be subjected to even worse treatment.

"For these reasons, asylum seekers often move
without identity documents so if they are caught,
there is a chance they can still get away.

"Sometimes asylum seekers need false identity documents to be able to get away safely, in this case, they destroy the documents once they no longer need them so they or the people who helped them get the false documents don’t get into trouble."

Reason 1

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:15pm:

Valkie wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 12:55pm: All Some toss their passports overboard before they get to Australia. Now, one must ask why they would do this? And one should listen to the reasons. "Asylum seekers arriving by boat are fleeing persecution. "They come from countries like Iran, Afghanistan and Sri Lanka where opponents of the government or ethnic minorities are routinely arrested, tortured and killed. "If they are caught before they can get away or in a country that does not accept asylum seekers, they will be returned and handed over to their government. "Having tried to flee, the asylum seeker is viewed as a traitor as well as an opponent of the government and could be subjected to even worse treatment. "For these reasons, asylum seekers often move without identity documents so if they are caught, there is a chance they can still get away. "Sometimes asylum seekers need false identity documents to be able to get away safely, in this case, they destroy the documents once they no longer need them so they or the people who helped them get the false documents don’t get into trouble." Reason 1

Some also come from Pakistan and want to live in Australia because its much more nicer.

Valkie wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 12:55pm:

[ Try getting off a jet into ANY country and entering the country without a passport. You will be arrested and charged with.......wait for it.......ILLEGAL ENTRY.

Absolutely. And the method of entry doesnt matter, plane boat , however. Thats why people who do so are allowed to be detained by the authorities. Anyone who thinks otherwise is quite frankly, a bit of a twit, Basic stuff really.  ;D

Gordon wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:15pm: Valkie wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 12:55pm: All Some toss their passports overboard before they get to Australia. Now, one must ask why they would do this? And one should listen to the reasons. "Asylum seekers arriving by boat are fleeing persecution. "They come from countries like Iran, Afghanistan and Sri Lanka where opponents of the government or ethnic minorities are routinely arrested, tortured and killed. "If they are caught before they can get away or in a country that does not accept asylum seekers, they will be returned and handed over to their government. "Having tried to flee, the asylum seeker is viewed as a traitor as well as an opponent of the government and could be subjected to even worse treatment. "For these reasons, asylum seekers often move without identity documents so if they are caught, there is a chance they can still get away. "Sometimes asylum seekers need false identity documents to be able to get away safely, in this case, they destroy the documents once they no longer need them so they or the people who helped them get the false documents don’t get into trouble." Reason 1 Some also come from Pakistan and want to live in Australia because its much more nicer.

Yep.

We're talking about asylum seekers here, though.

Valkie wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 12:55pm:

All Some toss their passports overboard before they get to Australia. Now, one must ask why they would do this?

"Often the asylum seeker will be forced to hand over
their passport before getting on the boat."

Reason 2

Quote:

First: you wouldn't be able to enter the country. And why can you not enter the country? Because its ILLEGAL. I'm not sure if you've ever been to an international airport, but you don't just walk off the plane and then out into the street. Yes my simple friend, many many airports all over the world. But what is to stop one from discarding ones passport and declaring asylum? Because its ILLEGAL that's why, you would be arrested, detained and your identity sourced until your identity was discovered. You would be ...................wait for it...............AN ILLEGAL ALIEN Second: we're talking about asylum seekers, in boats. Pray, what is the difference? They attempt to jump the Que, to enter Australia ILLEGALLY rather than going through the LEGAL process where their identity, criminal history and nationality are disclosed and known. There are offices all over the world, many in countries where they have passed through on their way to their country of choice, armed with a list of rights, tricks and shady methods of screwing the welfare system. If they claim asylum, it's not illegal.

Anyone can claim asylum yes?
Actually NO, they are obliged to prove that they are persicuted and in danger in their own country before thay can claim it. Otherwise its ILLEGAL.

They discard their papers so that they can hide where they are from, who they are and what their criminal history was in that country.
They lie, often stating false information and misleading our authorities who are simply trying to find out if they are actually true asylum seekers, not just some lazy, country shopping parasite.
If they told the truth and it was verifiable, they would be here already.
Until they are proven true, ligitimate asylum seekers, they are nothing more than ILLEGAL country shoppers.

Valkie wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:25pm:

And why can you not enter the country? Because its ILLEGAL.

Not if you're claiming asylum.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:06pm:

First: you wouldn't be able to enter the country. I'm not sure if you've ever been to an international airport, but you don't just walk off the plane and then out into the street.

So an international airport is not sovereign territory?

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:19pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:15pm: Valkie wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 12:55pm: All Some toss their passports overboard before they get to Australia. Now, one must ask why they would do this? And one should listen to the reasons. "Asylum seekers arriving by boat are fleeing persecution. "They come from countries like Iran, Afghanistan and Sri Lanka where opponents of the government or ethnic minorities are routinely arrested, tortured and killed. "If they are caught before they can get away or in a country that does not accept asylum seekers, they will be returned and handed over to their government. "Having tried to flee, the asylum seeker is viewed as a traitor as well as an opponent of the government and could be subjected to even worse treatment. "For these reasons, asylum seekers often move without identity documents so if they are caught, there is a chance they can still get away. "Sometimes asylum seekers need false identity documents to be able to get away safely, in this case, they destroy the documents once they no longer need them so they or the people who helped them get the false documents don’t get into trouble." Reason 1 Some also come from Pakistan and want to live in Australia because its much more nicer. Yep. We're talking about asylum seekers here, though.

That's why I don't like boat arrivals.
I want the asylum seekers to be selected from the most needy and vulnerable.

If you want only yellow M&Ms the best way is to get a bag of yellow M&Ms. If you get a normal bag you have to spend all that time and effort sorting thru them, sifting out the yellow ones and working out what to do with the other ones.

We should ONLY accept refugees from UN camps close to their source countries.

Valkie wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:25pm:

Anyone can claim asylum yes? Actually NO

Actually, it's "YES".

Anybody, at any time, can claim asylum.

However, they need to convince the authorities that they are a refugee.

You, like many others in here, don't understand the difference between a refugee and an asylum seeker.

It's perfectly legal to claim asylum.

They chuck their passports overboard so they can travel as a repressed minority from Afghanistan instead of a plumber from Pakistan. The government then had to bring in language experts to work out their dialects. That fa rked 'em. Now they don't bother chucking their passports away.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:27pm:

Valkie wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:25pm: And why can you not enter the country? Because its ILLEGAL. Not if you're claiming asylum.

Please read the post in full.

Simply claiming Asylum does not preclude you from proving it.

If you cannot prove it, you are entering the country ILLEGALLY.

What in that statement (apart from your reluctance to see logic) does not make sense?

>:(

Gordon wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:19pm: Gordon wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:15pm: Valkie wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 12:55pm: All Some toss their passports overboard before they get to Australia. Now, one must ask why they would do this? And one should listen to the reasons. "Asylum seekers arriving by boat are fleeing persecution. "They come from countries like Iran, Afghanistan and Sri Lanka where opponents of the government or ethnic minorities are routinely arrested, tortured and killed. "If they are caught before they can get away or in a country that does not accept asylum seekers, they will be returned and handed over to their government. "Having tried to flee, the asylum seeker is viewed as a traitor as well as an opponent of the government and could be subjected to even worse treatment. "For these reasons, asylum seekers often move without identity documents so if they are caught, there is a chance they can still get away. "Sometimes asylum seekers need false identity documents to be able to get away safely, in this case, they destroy the documents once they no longer need them so they or the people who helped them get the false documents don’t get into trouble." Reason 1 Some also come from Pakistan and want to live in Australia because its much more nicer. Yep. We're talking about asylum seekers here, though. That's why I don't like boat arrivals. I want the asylum seekers to be selected from the most needy and vulnerable.

It would stand to reason that those coming by boat are the most needy and vulnerable.

You do understand what an asylum seeker is, don't you?

Valkie wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:27pm: Valkie wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:25pm: And why can you not enter the country? Because its ILLEGAL. Not if you're claiming asylum. Please read the post in full. Simply claiming Asylum does not preclude you from proving it.

Correct.

Claiming asylum makes you an asylum seeker, not a refugee.

However, if it turns out that you are not granted refugee status, you haven't done anything illegal.

Entering without a passport or visa, with the intention of claiming asylum, isn't illegal.

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:31pm:

They chuck their passports overboard so they can travel as a repressed minority from Afghanistan instead of a plumber from Pakistan. The government then had to bring in language experts to work out their dialects. That fa rked 'em. Now they don't bother chucking their passports away.

Coming from a confessed liar, I will totally disregard your bigoted nonsense.

Cheers.

It should be illegal to enter australia unless you are the bearer of good positive energy and a sense of contribution.

We should be looking to take the strain off the german authorities, now they have a problem.

I have met many wonderful smiling intelligent good looking german back packers on fraser island who would love to stay in our country.

They are cheerful and smart.

They should be offered assylum.

Why is Sarah Hansen not on fraser island campaigning for the rights of these oppressed peoples to stay in our safe country after fleeing oppression at the hands of Merkel

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:36pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:31pm: They chuck their passports overboard so they can travel as a repressed minority from Afghanistan instead of a plumber from Pakistan. The government then had to bring in language experts to work out their dialects. That fa rked 'em. Now they don't bother chucking their passports away. Coming from a confessed liar, I will totally disregard your bigoted nonsense. Cheers.

prove it?

these girls want to stay,
why doesnt greg want to offer them assylum
it is not illegal to be good looking and happy

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greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:36pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:31pm: They chuck their passports overboard so they can travel as a repressed minority from Afghanistan instead of a plumber from Pakistan. The government then had to bring in language experts to work out their dialects. That fa rked 'em. Now they don't bother chucking their passports away. Coming from a confessed liar, I will totally disregard your bigoted nonsense. Cheers.

Language Testing Asylum-Seekers...


show transcript

Saturday 3 May 2003 3:45PM

What's wrong with using language tests to establish the claims of asylum-seekers...Tim McNamara, Professor of Linguistics at Melbourne University on the investigation he and other experts conducted into the Department of Immigration's use of overseas agencies' analyses of spoken interviews to determine the nationality of refugee claimants. His talk is an edited abstract of their report, 'Linguistic identification in the determination of nationality

aquascoot wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:41pm:

these girls want to stay, why doesnt greg want to offer them assylum it is not illegal to be good looking and happy

Greg doesn't like girls.

;)

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:30pm:

Valkie wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:25pm: Anyone can claim asylum yes? Actually NO Actually, it's "YES". Anybody, at any time, can claim asylum. However, they need to convince the authorities that they are a refugee. You, like many others in here, don't understand the difference between a refugee and an asylum seeker. It's perfectly legal to claim asylum.

You have just made a circular argument.

Anybody, at any time, can claim asylum.

However, they need to convince the authorities that they are a refugee.

and if they are not a refugee asylum is not applicable QED you are attempting to enter Australia ILLEGALLY.

There is also a high incidence of these so called refugees heading back home once they get accepted here to bring over more and more of their extended family, more and more deadbeats, more and more dole recipients, more and more child brides to be impregnated and then able to claim more and more money from US the taxpayers.

Look, I don't have a problem with genuine refugees and I'm all for new immigrants who are willing to work, contribute and assimilate, but the ones at Nauru are not these things.
Just look at how they go on in the refugee center, they are disgusting, filthy, parasites.
They treat people looking after them with contempt and even abuse them verbally and physically.
They will not clean up after themselves and treat the women with contempt and even beat them.
And when they don't get what they want they throw tantrums, burn the housing, assault people and even self harm, or farce children to harm themselves to get what they want.

Is this really, truly the type of person you want coming to Australia?

aquascoot wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:41pm:

these girls want to stay, why doesnt greg want to offer them assylum it is not illegal to be good looking and happy

I think you'd like my idea for a Tinder Style immigration app which lets the general population decide.

The applicants in your photo get a right swipe. (stay)
Left or right swipe this guy?

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Gordon wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:48pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:41pm: these girls want to stay, why doesnt greg want to offer them assylum it is not illegal to be good looking and happy I think you'd like my idea for a Tinder Style immigration app which lets the general population decide. The applicants in your photo get a right swipe. (stay) Left or right swipe this guy?

as i said, the success of a nightclub depends on the guy at the door swiping left or right and creating the "ecosystem of positive emotions".

the vibe in a good nightclub is very uplifting and exciting and energising.

now compare that to the vibe you would feel if you walked into a centrelink office( i have to imagine as ive never visited one but i bet everyone looks sad and beaten down and the energy is low and the place is toxic.).

we need an immigration department with swagger to only allow in those who will "bring the party"

Valkie wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:30pm: Valkie wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:25pm: Anyone can claim asylum yes? Actually NO Actually, it's "YES". Anybody, at any time, can claim asylum. However, they need to convince the authorities that they are a refugee. You, like many others in here, don't understand the difference between a refugee and an asylum seeker. It's perfectly legal to claim asylum. You have just made a circular argument. Anybody, at any time, can claim asylum. However, they need to convince the authorities that they are a refugee. and if they are not a refugee asylum is not applicable QED you are attempting to enter Australia ILLEGALLY.

Incorrect.

You are attempting to enter Australia as an asylum seeker.

And, it's not illegal to do that.

What happens after your entry is irrelevant.

Valkie wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:46pm:

There is also a high incidence of these so called refugees heading back home once they get accepted here ...

If they are accepted here, they are refugees.

Why do you say "so called"?

aquascoot wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:54pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:48pm: aquascoot wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:41pm: these girls want to stay, why doesnt greg want to offer them assylum it is not illegal to be good looking and happy I think you'd like my idea for a Tinder Style immigration app which lets the general population decide. The applicants in your photo get a right swipe. (stay) Left or right swipe this guy? as i said, the success of a nightclub depends on the guy at the door swiping left or right and creating the "ecosystem of positive emotions". the vibe in a good nightclub is very uplifting and exciting and energising. now compare that to the vibe you would feel if you walked into a centrelink office( i have to imagine as ive never visited one but i bet everyone looks sad and beaten down and the energy is low and the place is toxic.). we need an immigration department with swagger to only allow in those who will "bring the party"

After the door bitch the next vital component is the bouncer who can eject without appeal anyone whose managed to slip thru and begin to spread a toxic vibe.

Bounce them.

Gordon wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:48pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:41pm: these girls want to stay, why doesnt greg want to offer them assylum it is not illegal to be good looking and happy I think you'd like my idea for a Tinder Style immigration app which lets the general population decide. The applicants in your photo get a right swipe. (stay) Left or right swipe this guy?

If I had my way he wouldn't even have an option.

Left or right?

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Quote:

Incorrect. You are attempting to enter Australia as an asylum seeker. And, it's not illegal to do that.

So, if someone walked into your house and said I'm an asylum seeker,
You had no information of this person, who he was, where he was from and if he was a murderer, criminal, or rapist,
You would say.........."welcome"

Then as he raped your wife, destroyed your property, took all your savings and pood everywhere
you would say.........."You poor oppressed person, take more"

Then he denigrated your religion, forced you to accept his religion and brought his 10 year old wife to live with you,
You would say..........."Its just how he has been brought up, its not his fault"

Finally when he blows up your family as a protest about how his RELIGION is being treated somewhere else in the world.
You would say..........."We have to accept that he is treated badly"

If this is how you see it, I feel for you, honestly I do.


Yeah right, I believe that if he came to my front door and tried to get into my house, I would just have to call an ambulance to take what was left of him away.

Altruism is good if those on the receiving end were thankful.
But when they take, take, and take more and more while insulting and threatening you.
Its time to say, Xenophobia may have a place.

aquascoot wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:54pm:

we need an immigration department with swagger to only allow in those who will "bring the party"

If only we had that back in the '60s.

https://thesnipertakesaim.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/abbottatuni.jpg

Gordon wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 2:06pm:

Left or right?

What nationality and religion Gordon??

Valkie wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 2:08pm:

Quote: Incorrect. You are attempting to enter Australia as an asylum seeker. And, it's not illegal to do that. So, if someone walked into your house and said I'm an asylum seeker, You had no information of this person, who he was, where he was from and if he was a murderer, criminal, or rapist, You would say.........."welcome"

I would send him or her to the Immigration Department for processing.

If he or she was then granted refugee status, I'd say "welcome".

If they weren't, I'd say "get out of here".

Where's the problem?

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 2:11pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:06pm: Left or right? What nationality and religion Gordon??

Paki Muz. He burnt his shop down for the insurance money and killed three people, including a baby.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 2:08pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:54pm: we need an immigration department with swagger to only allow in those who will "bring the party" If only we had that back in the '60s. https://thesnipertakesaim.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/abbottatuni.jpg

I hate Abbott, but has he broken a law?

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 2:11pm:

Valkie wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:08pm: Quote: Incorrect. You are attempting to enter Australia as an asylum seeker. And, it's not illegal to do that. So, if someone walked into your house and said I'm an asylum seeker, You had no information of this person, who he was, where he was from and if he was a murderer, criminal, or rapist, You would say.........."welcome" I would send him or her to the Immigration Department for processing. If he or she was then granted refugee status, I'd say "welcome". If they weren't, I'd say "get out of here". Where's the problem?

What about if they aren't considered a refugee but their home country (like Iran) won't take them back??

Gordon wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 2:13pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:11pm: Gordon wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:06pm: Left or right? What nationality and religion Gordon?? Paki Muz. He burnt his shop down for the insurance money and killed three people, including a baby.

Oh that maggot. He'd be going in a gas chamber if I had my way.

;)

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 2:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:11pm: Valkie wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:08pm: Quote: Incorrect. You are attempting to enter Australia as an asylum seeker. And, it's not illegal to do that. So, if someone walked into your house and said I'm an asylum seeker, You had no information of this person, who he was, where he was from and if he was a murderer, criminal, or rapist, You would say.........."welcome" I would send him or her to the Immigration Department for processing. If he or she was then granted refugee status, I'd say "welcome". If they weren't, I'd say "get out of here". Where's the problem? What about if they aren't considered a refugee but their home country (like Iran) won't take them back??

I would tell the Government to get off their arse and do their job.

Gordon wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 2:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:08pm: aquascoot wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:54pm: we need an immigration department with swagger to only allow in those who will "bring the party" If only we had that back in the '60s. https://thesnipertakesaim.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/abbottatuni.jpg I hate Abbott, but has he broken a law?

Yes.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 2:22pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:11pm: Valkie wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:08pm: Quote: Incorrect. You are attempting to enter Australia as an asylum seeker. And, it's not illegal to do that. So, if someone walked into your house and said I'm an asylum seeker, You had no information of this person, who he was, where he was from and if he was a murderer, criminal, or rapist, You would say.........."welcome" I would send him or her to the Immigration Department for processing. If he or she was then granted refugee status, I'd say "welcome". If they weren't, I'd say "get out of here". Where's the problem? What about if they aren't considered a refugee but their home country (like Iran) won't take them back?? I would tell the Government to get off their arse and do their job.

No answer I see. You know where these people go PB? Nauru and Manus.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 2:30pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:16pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:08pm: aquascoot wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:54pm: we need an immigration department with swagger to only allow in those who will "bring the party" If only we had that back in the '60s. https://thesnipertakesaim.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/abbottatuni.jpg I hate Abbott, but has he broken a law? Yes.

As much as you want it to be, being in the Liberal Party isn't against the law  :D

Gordon wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 2:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:08pm: aquascoot wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:54pm: we need an immigration department with swagger to only allow in those who will "bring the party" If only we had that back in the '60s. https://thesnipertakesaim.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/abbottatuni.jpg I hate Abbott, but has he broken a law?

Indecent assault.

1978

The offence was proven.

So, yes: he has broken the law (at least once).

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 2:11pm:

Valkie wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:08pm: Quote: Incorrect. You are attempting to enter Australia as an asylum seeker. And, it's not illegal to do that. So, if someone walked into your house and said I'm an asylum seeker, You had no information of this person, who he was, where he was from and if he was a murderer, criminal, or rapist, You would say.........."welcome" I would send him or her to the Immigration Department for processing.

What if they dont go to the immigration department mastermind. You going to put them in a box and send them?

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 2:34pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:16pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:08pm: aquascoot wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:54pm: we need an immigration department with swagger to only allow in those who will "bring the party" If only we had that back in the '60s. https://thesnipertakesaim.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/abbottatuni.jpg I hate Abbott, but has he broken a law? Indecent assault. 1978 The offence was proven. So, yes: he has broken the law (at least once).

he plead noy guilty and the charge was dismissed. your legal skills are on par with Ozzys.  ;D

Gordon wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 2:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:30pm: Gordon wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:16pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:08pm: aquascoot wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:54pm: we need an immigration department with swagger to only allow in those who will "bring the party" If only we had that back in the '60s. https://thesnipertakesaim.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/abbottatuni.jpg I hate Abbott, but has he broken a law? Yes. As much as you want it to be, being in the Liberal Party isn't against the law  :D

Indecent assault.

1978

The offence was proven.

So, yes: he has broken the law (at least once).

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 2:34pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:16pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:08pm: aquascoot wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:54pm: we need an immigration department with swagger to only allow in those who will "bring the party" If only we had that back in the '60s. https://thesnipertakesaim.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/abbottatuni.jpg I hate Abbott, but has he broken a law? Indecent assault. 1978 The offence was proven. So, yes: he has broken the law (at least once).

So if you aren't convicted so doesn't that mean in the eyes of the law he's innocent?

rhino wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 2:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:34pm: Gordon wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:16pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:08pm: aquascoot wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:54pm: we need an immigration department with swagger to only allow in those who will "bring the party" If only we had that back in the '60s. https://thesnipertakesaim.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/abbottatuni.jpg I hate Abbott, but has he broken a law? Indecent assault. 1978 The offence was proven. So, yes: he has broken the law (at least once). he plead noy guilty and the charge was dismissed. your legal skills are on par with Ozzys.

The offence was proven.

Your ignorance is excused.

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 2:40pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:34pm: Gordon wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:16pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:08pm: aquascoot wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:54pm: we need an immigration department with swagger to only allow in those who will "bring the party" If only we had that back in the '60s. https://thesnipertakesaim.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/abbottatuni.jpg I hate Abbott, but has he broken a law? Indecent assault. 1978 The offence was proven. So, yes: he has broken the law (at least once). So if you aren't convicted so doesn't that mean in the eyes of the law he's innocent?

The offence was proven.

That means that in the eyes of the court, he broke the law.

So, the answer to the original question is "yes" - he has broken the law (at least once, that we know of).

EDIT: twice.

He also damaged public property.

Gordon wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 2:13pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:11pm: Gordon wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:06pm: Left or right? What nationality and religion Gordon?? Paki Muz. He burnt his shop down for the insurance money and killed three people, including a baby.

you'd definitely get tossed out of the club if you did that.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 2:42pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:40pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:34pm: Gordon wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:16pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:08pm: aquascoot wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:54pm: we need an immigration department with swagger to only allow in those who will "bring the party" If only we had that back in the '60s. https://thesnipertakesaim.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/abbottatuni.jpg I hate Abbott, but has he broken a law? Indecent assault. 1978 The offence was proven. So, yes: he has broken the law (at least once). So if you aren't convicted so doesn't that mean in the eyes of the law he's innocent? The offence was proven. That means that in the eyes of the court, he broke the law. So, the answer to the original question is "yes" - he has broken the law (at least once, that we know of). EDIT: twice. He also damaged public property.

Proven by who??? The only proven that matters is the courts. NEXT!!

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 2:40pm:

rhino wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:38pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:34pm: Gordon wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:16pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:08pm: aquascoot wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:54pm: we need an immigration department with swagger to only allow in those who will "bring the party" If only we had that back in the '60s. https://thesnipertakesaim.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/abbottatuni.jpg I hate Abbott, but has he broken a law? Indecent assault. 1978 The offence was proven. So, yes: he has broken the law (at least once). he plead noy guilty and the charge was dismissed. your legal skills are on par with Ozzys.  The offence was proven. Your ignorance is excused.

this is why everyone thinks you are the biggest twit on here. The charge was dismissed and you dont understand that this means it couldnt be proven.;D ;D basic stuff ;D ;D ;D

Is this Gregeory guy for real? Surely hes pretending to be a mong just to get a rise.   ;D ;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 2:08pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 1:54pm: we need an immigration department with swagger to only allow in those who will "bring the party" If only we had that back in the '60s. https://thesnipertakesaim.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/abbottatuni.jpg

at least Tonys mum is Australian born... more than can be said for gillards.

and some pollies come from very disadvantaged countries..

being born overseas is   neither something to be ASHAMED  of nor is it a CRIME>..like you keep implying.. >:( >:( >:( >:(

cods wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 5:29pm:

being born overseas is   neither something to be ASHAMED  of nor is it a CRIME>

Correct.

I agree with you 100%.

Moreover, I have never said anything to the contrary.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 2:11pm:

Valkie wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:08pm: Quote: Incorrect. You are attempting to enter Australia as an asylum seeker. And, it's not illegal to do that. So, if someone walked into your house and said I'm an asylum seeker, You had no information of this person, who he was, where he was from and if he was a murderer, criminal, or rapist, You would say.........."welcome" I would send him or her to the Immigration Department for processing. If he or she was then granted refugee status, I'd say "welcome". If they weren't, I'd say "get out of here". Where's the problem?

And that's what Nauru is.
The immigration department for processing
And they are NOT WELCOME

Valkie wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 6:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:11pm: Valkie wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 2:08pm: Quote: Incorrect. You are attempting to enter Australia as an asylum seeker. And, it's not illegal to do that. So, if someone walked into your house and said I'm an asylum seeker, You had no information of this person, who he was, where he was from and if he was a murderer, criminal, or rapist, You would say.........."welcome" I would send him or her to the Immigration Department for processing. If he or she was then granted refugee status, I'd say "welcome". If they weren't, I'd say "get out of here". Where's the problem? And that's what Nauru is. The immigration department for processing And they are NOT WELCOME

Who says they aren't welcome?

What do you have against refugees?

Quote:

Who says they aren't welcome? What do you have against refugees?

Oh, about 80% of Australians.

The list of things I have a problem with is huge, but the four main ones are.
1) They do not work or contribute to Australian culture.
2) They alienate themselves and preach hate about everything that offends them (which is everything)
3) They are total cowards who have fled their own country, leaving behind their wives and children, rather than staying and fighting the EVIL that infects their country, while trying to propagate the same in our country.
4) Most are criminals, sex offenders, thieves, murderers and generally a waste of oxygen.

Valkie wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 7:08pm:

Oh, about 80% of Australians.

SOURCE?

Valkie wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 7:08pm:

Quote: Who says they aren't welcome? What do you have against refugees? Oh, about 80% of Australians. The list of things I have a problem with is huge, but the four main ones are. 1) They do not work or contribute to Australian culture. 2) They alienate themselves and preach hate about everything that offends them (which is everything) 3) They are total cowards who have fled their own country, leaving behind their wives and children, rather than staying and fighting the EVIL that infects their country, while trying to propagate the same in our country. 4) Most are criminals, sex offenders, thieves, murderers and generally a waste of oxygen.

Source?

You know that's suppressed.

But its a known fact that Australians, those not blind, deaf or stupid, don't want them here because they are a problem.

Show me something, some source that says otherwise??????

Valkie wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 8:03pm:

You know that's suppressed. But its a known fact that Australians, those not blind, deaf or stupid, don't want them here because they are a problem. Show me something, some source that says otherwise??????

Oh dear.

The onus is on you to prove your claim.

Perhaps this will make it a little clearer for you:

- at the bottom of every garden in Australia, there are invisible unicorns who control our Government; Show me something, some source that says otherwise.

I commend you GP. Facing down this wall of ignorance and hate is not a pleasant task. 

None of them speak for me, I am ashamed at these people.. the fact is they are AFRAID,   and their ignorance is a sad indictment on Australian people and governments.
I stand up for the people in Nauru and Manus Island. I take action on-line through Amnesty International, and other groups, who petition the government. I put my name to these petitions, and my money, and I doubt very much any of these so-called Australians have a clue .. they just want to kick ém when they are down. Cowards in other words.

Emma wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 8:26pm:

I commend you GP. Facing down this wall of ignorance and hate is not a pleasant task.  None of them speak for me, I am ashamed at these people.. the fact is they are AFRAID,   and their ignorance is a sad indictment on Australian people and governments.

It saddens me to know that there are fellow Australians who are so ignorant, and so immoral, living in this country.

What's caused this problem?

Lack of education? Sure.

The media? Absolutely.

Corrupt, conservative governments? No doubt.

These bigots are slowly destroying our wonderful country.

Valkie wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 8:03pm:

You know that's suppressed.

yet somehow you know :D :D .... so put up your source?

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 6:35am:

Emma wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:24pm: We are responsible for the care of these people and we are failing badly, with this off-shore processing and indefinite incarceration of refugees in inhumane conditions. As a boarding school student I was incarcerated for many years in inhumane conditions, but we who survived those privations emerged as alpha-stallions alpha-young men with thick skins and with no tolerance for sissies. Emma wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:24pm: It is not illegal to be a refugee. 100% correct. But they are no longer classified as 'refugees' once they have left countries of safe haven to try their luck at taking up residence in the Anglosphere.

You were NOT incarcerated ....  your parents put you there, and if you didn't like it you could have left at any time.  You just show how pathetic you and your kind are.  You had the right of freedom.  NO WAY can you compare that to what we are doing to innocent people in the name of political point-scoring.

  As for being an alpha -male   :P :P  keep on deluding yourself about what a great person you are,,,  and just consider for a minute, how you would feel, locked away without ANY recourse. :(

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 8:31pm:

Emma wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 8:26pm: I commend you GP. Facing down this wall of ignorance and hate is not a pleasant task.  None of them speak for me, I am ashamed at these people.. the fact is they are AFRAID,   and their ignorance is a sad indictment on Australian people and governments. It saddens me to know that there are fellow Australians who are so ignorant, and so immoral, living in this country. What's caused this problem? Lack of education? Sure. The media? Absolutely. Corrupt, conservative governments? No doubt. These bigots are slowly destroying our wonderful country.

its time the bouncer evicted you and emma .
you arent adding to the awesomeness of "club australia".
here at party central, club australia, you are required to emit positive emotions and behave like a champ if you want to stay in the club.
being all Butt hurt and negative about the club?
the other patrons think its time for you to leave.
you and emma cant stay with the cool people until you learn to be cool

aquascoot is a prime example of the sort of people we don't need in this country.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 8:31pm:

Emma wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 8:26pm: I commend you GP. Facing down this wall of ignorance and hate is not a pleasant task.  None of them speak for me, I am ashamed at these people.. the fact is they are AFRAID,   and their ignorance is a sad indictment on Australian people and governments. It saddens me to know that there are fellow Australians who are so ignorant, and so immoral, living in this country. What's caused this problem? Lack of education? Sure. The media? Absolutely. Corrupt, conservative governments? No doubt. These bigots are slowly destroying our wonderful country.

Didn't you say before that you believe bringing in refugees who's countries won't take them back like Iran. Isn't it people with your opinion filling the camps up?

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 8:47pm:

aquascoot is a prime example of the sort of people we don't need in this country.

It's you we don't need.

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 8:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 8:31pm: Emma wrote on Aug 12th, 2016 at 8:26pm: I commend you GP. Facing down this wall of ignorance and hate is not a pleasant task.  None of them speak for me, I am ashamed at these people.. the fact is they are AFRAID,   and their ignorance is a sad indictment on Australian people and governments. It saddens me to know that there are fellow Australians who are so ignorant, and so immoral, living in this country. What's caused this problem? Lack of education? Sure. The media? Absolutely. Corrupt, conservative governments? No doubt. These bigots are slowly destroying our wonderful country. Didn't you say before that you believe bringing in refugees who's countries won't take them back like Iran.

Nope.

You've mistaken me for someone else.

I said that the government should get off their arse and do their job.

(I think you mean people who aren't refugees - why would refugees be sent back?)