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Title: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Super Nova on Aug 11th, 2016 at 5:57pm
Let's renew the discussion.
Please remain on topic so this thread is not deleted. Aussie, can you restate your position please... for the record... to get things going again. ![]() |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Setanta on Aug 11th, 2016 at 6:09pm
Do not let this thread descend to the level it did elsewhere. Y'all have been pre-warned.
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Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Super Nova on Aug 11th, 2016 at 6:11pm Setanta wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 6:09pm:
Thank you. I shall remain on topic. |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Ajax on Aug 11th, 2016 at 6:11pm
NEVER..!
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Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Super Nova on Aug 11th, 2016 at 6:14pm Ajax wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 6:11pm:
I agree. A man is never entitled to strike a woman. |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Belgarion on Aug 11th, 2016 at 6:15pm
When a woman is assaulting you or someone else, then its perfectly acceptable to prevent the assault by using the minimum force possible under the circumstances.
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Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Ajax on Aug 11th, 2016 at 6:17pm Belgarion wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 6:15pm:
x2 |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Super Nova on Aug 11th, 2016 at 6:20pm Belgarion wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 6:15pm:
OK, I agree with that. |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Ajax on Aug 11th, 2016 at 6:23pm
The only men I have ever known that beat their girlfriends or wives couldn't beat up on another man so I guess they took it out on their other half.
Cowards is the word I'm looking for. |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Aussie on Aug 11th, 2016 at 6:26pm Super Nova wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 5:57pm:
If you think I am taking this obvious bait, you believe in Martians. My only participation will be to Moderate this Thread. Setanta has already been given a heads up a few posts ago about how thin the ice is. |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Super Nova on Aug 11th, 2016 at 6:32pm Aussie wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 6:26pm:
We can have a reasonable debate aussie. Please restate your position on this topic. I commit to staying on topic and debate the issue and different points of view. Don't hide behind a GMod statement. The request was to it not to deteriate as other threads have. |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Setanta on Aug 11th, 2016 at 6:36pm Ajax wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 6:23pm:
I don't think that's entirely true, there is more to it than that. My father was no coward, he lit up at the drop of a hat, not always good for family gatherings after a couple of my cousins got married to a couple of brothers, their hubbies knew how how to hit that fuse. A bit embarrassing. He boxed as a kid, served in Korea, did Judo in his 30's. He wasn't a coward but he would just flip. I don't think I'd call Mike Tyson a coward to his face. |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Aussie on Aug 11th, 2016 at 6:38pm
The OP gives your intent away, SN. So.....nah. You can talk to whoever wants to discuss the matter with you, and if you believe your audience is limited here, there are other places in this Forum where you can attract attention from a wider audience, and moderation of the matter will then be entirely out of my hands.
Don't thank me for this position. You need to take that up with skippeeee. |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Ajax on Aug 11th, 2016 at 6:41pm Setanta wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 6:36pm:
Fair enough, I'm talking from my own experience when I was a kid one of our neighbours who was a pip squeak of a man beat up on his wife, sometimes we could hear it across the fence. A man should never hit a woman imo, that's just how I was brought up, there is no excuse. |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Setanta on Aug 11th, 2016 at 6:46pm Aussie wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 6:38pm:
I'll thank you for it. ;D Don't take the bait. |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Super Nova on Aug 11th, 2016 at 6:49pm Ajax wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 6:41pm:
A man I know was not a coward and often had full on fist fight at the pub and a heavy rep. Didn't stopping beating up on his wife and children daily to at least weekly when ever he thought she spoke out of line. A cowardly big man that could fight and beat most men. I just don't understand how they can do it. |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by skippy. on Aug 11th, 2016 at 6:54pm Aussie wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 6:38pm:
Don't bring me into it. If you'd done as you were asked and deleted the lies written about me the threads would not have needed to be deleted. The Gmods can back that up for that is exactly my request to them. I know more than you realise, I don't intend to share it here other than to say SN also knows what I'm saying is the truth. Don't bother trying to engage me to get this removed again ozzzzz it will not work. Suffice to say everybody at PA knows the truth. 8-) I ask any Gmods reading this that should lies about me be posted again I want them removed. This thread is about When are men entitled to strike a women. My answer to that is never, unless it is to defend oneself from attack and then only to escape said attack. Certainly not because a man may disagree with something a women says. |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Setanta on Aug 11th, 2016 at 6:58pm Super Nova wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 6:49pm:
It's obviously not cowardly. It's a psychological problem. Why some men have this I do not know but as I stated and you reiterated there are some tough buggers not afraid of anyone yet they still do it. Find another term. It's a bit like cowardly terrorist blowing them selves up to hurt others. Hurting innocents does not automagically make them cowards. Coward comes from "cow heart" as apposed to "lion heart". |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Mod. on Aug 11th, 2016 at 7:01pm skippy. wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 6:54pm:
Action was taken in accordance with your choice sent to me via a GMod. Thread locked. SN.....take the debate to some other Section of the Forum. The bait is obvious, and it will not play out here. |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Setanta on Aug 11th, 2016 at 7:01pm skippy. wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 6:54pm:
* wonders if he should get PA added to the swear filter. ;D |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Setanta on Aug 11th, 2016 at 7:03pm
This Topic was moved here from Relationships by Setanta.
Carry on, leave Aussie out of it. Here's your chance to make it a serious discussion, or not. |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by cods on Aug 11th, 2016 at 7:15pm
I am a bit confused isnt there already a thread on this very topic??>....
as I have often been in trouble for starting a thread that is already well on the go....can I ask what happened to it???>.. I do understand how threads get taken off topic but who complains about that. ::) ::) . if that is a reason for deleting..... bugger wont just about mean all threads be disappeared in that case.. funny how we can have PERSONAL threads....no worries... but this is treated different... why is that?.. just clarifying.. |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Setanta on Aug 11th, 2016 at 7:21pm cods wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 7:15pm:
Yes cods, there has been a couple of recent threads that needed to be, umm, tamed. Let's see if this one can remain somewhat civil and try and address the issue in a reasonable manner, you wouldn't complain about that would you? Why is this thread treated differently? It hasn't gone off the rails yet, I hope it doesn't. |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Gordon on Aug 11th, 2016 at 7:26pm
Ok think about this boys and girls.
There should be no difference for when you're entitled, or it's appropriate to strike either a man or a woman. |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Lionel Edriess on Aug 11th, 2016 at 7:41pm
I once witnessed a long-term married relationship where the husband, a big bloke and quite physically strong, was continually being berated about his sexual performance, as well as being physically assaulted. He never responded. He was quite capable of punching a hole through his 'wife', and never did. He has stitches applied on many occasions.
Was he a good husband? Or was he a bad role model for his kids? All his kids were renowned for short fuses when it came to criticism from their spouses. Should a man take abuse from a woman that he would not tolerate from another man? Just askin'. |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by AiA on Aug 11th, 2016 at 7:52pm
In the original thread I shared the story about the 200-pound+ fat dyke with a shaved head who threatened to kick my ass when I complained about her barking dog. I just looked at her. Yet I would have loved to lay into her. Had she taken a swing at me I probably would have fought back. In the end it I got back at her: back in July the police were looking for her and I helped them out and watched the scene unfold as they led her away in handcuffs ...
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Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by skippy. on Aug 11th, 2016 at 7:55pm
Im interested to know if the men here that think it's ok to assault a women ever watched their own mother get flogged and thought that was ok?
Or if you have daughters do you mind if they cop a flogging? |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Gordon on Aug 11th, 2016 at 7:57pm skippy. wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 7:55pm:
Would you like your dad or son to get the crap beat out of them? |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Setanta on Aug 11th, 2016 at 7:58pm skippy. wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 7:55pm:
What? :o Perhaps you should start a poll. |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by skippy. on Aug 11th, 2016 at 8:04pm Setanta wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 7:58pm:
I think it's a fair question. I'd like to know if some of these blokes that think it's ok to hit a women would feel the same if it was their mother or daughter being hit. |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Setanta on Aug 11th, 2016 at 8:08pm skippy. wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 8:04pm:
I don't like your chances of them telling you if there are any. |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by skippy. on Aug 11th, 2016 at 8:12pm Setanta wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 8:08pm:
But that's just my point. If you wouldn't want your mother or daughter belted by another man what makes you think it's ok to hit the mother or daughter of someone else? |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Lionel Edriess on Aug 11th, 2016 at 8:21pm skippy. wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 8:04pm:
If you're prepared to shape up, be prepared for the response. Meeting your opponent on the gravel, one-on-one, has gone the way of the Do-Do. Walk away, if that's how you deal with a situation not to your liking. Confrontation, threat and abuse is another matter. It's usually unwise to pick a fight where you have no chance. It's another thing altogether to go ape-shite where you have no choice. Does anyone care what sex a home-invader might be? Nobody gets to choose an assailant. Any response needs to be appropriate to the situation. |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Lisa Jones on Aug 11th, 2016 at 8:21pm skippy. wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 8:04pm:
X 2 |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Lisa Jones on Aug 11th, 2016 at 8:23pm skippy. wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 8:12pm:
Ahhhh well said!!!!! Onya Skip :) |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Setanta on Aug 11th, 2016 at 8:23pm skippy. wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 8:12pm:
Oh, is this the never, ever argument? I wouldn't like my mum, wife or daughter, if I had one, how about grand-daughter, hit. That does not give the women of my family the right to hit others, I would expect people to fight back and would understand that. IE It would depend on the circumstances. |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Lionel Edriess on Aug 11th, 2016 at 8:29pm Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 8:21pm:
You've never had to deal with a drunken, foul-mouthed, abusive, aggressive, female behemoth, have you? You think what you see is confined to the pub. You reserve your attitude for the male sex. Little do you know. You mammas, wooooo, baby! |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Lisa Jones on Aug 11th, 2016 at 8:33pm Lionel Edriess wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 8:29pm:
1. Correct. 2. Ummmm have a look at the topic title. ::) |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Lionel Edriess on Aug 11th, 2016 at 8:48pm Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 8:33pm:
Given 1. is correct, what is the 'appropriate' response in such a situation? One gets tired of ducking. |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Andrei.Hicks on Aug 11th, 2016 at 8:49pm
It is not acceptable for a man to hit a woman.
There are extreme circumstances where someone may lose it and break this convention. I'll give the example here of the father of Lesley Anne Downey who was held back by police from punching Myra Hindley who had assisted to rape, torture and murder his 10 year old daughter. Who in his position may not react the same? But in general and outside of such circumstances, it is just something you should never do. |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Lisa Jones on Aug 11th, 2016 at 8:52pm Lionel Edriess wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 8:48pm:
I agree. I've been there. I ran away....literally. Life's too short as it is without being stuck with some @rsehole who's violent. |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by John Smith on Aug 11th, 2016 at 8:53pm skippy. wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 8:12pm:
now that depends on why doesn't it? |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Lisa Jones on Aug 11th, 2016 at 8:56pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 8:49pm:
:'( |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Leftwinger on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:03pm
When she back chats , ladies when your man says do something , know your place and have it done before the sentenced is finished , if you were any chop he wouldnt even have to say anything, or click his fingers . Lets hope this has cleared things up .
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Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Super Nova on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:05pm
I have stated my position.
let's use a different example. A woman verbally is offensive, rude and even maybe publically laughs at your manhood, burns the steak, sneaks ciggies when you have forbidden it or says something that totally offends your sensibilities... it is a shock... you are angry. BUT they are just words. In this situation are you even entitled to strike the woman? |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Super Nova on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:06pm Its time wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:03pm:
And if she doesn't comply? |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Setanta on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:07pm Its time wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:03pm:
But what do you do when she comes at you with a knife? Ask her to make you a sammich and hope her womanly instincts kick in? :-/ |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Lisa Jones on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:08pm Super Nova wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:06pm:
Send her straight to Dog Obedience School! |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Leftwinger on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:12pm Setanta wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:07pm:
Youve done this before |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Lisa Jones on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:13pm Setanta wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:07pm:
Oh duh! http://m.wikihow.com/Defend-Against-a-Knife-Attack PS. I'm not playing Go Fetch anymore :P |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Leftwinger on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:16pm
This is the most depressing thread , i rarely credit Aussie with anything but he was right locking it
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Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Setanta on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:16pm Its time wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:12pm:
Survived with a full belly every time too! Now back to the real topic, it is a serious issue. |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Lisa Jones on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:19pm Its time wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:16pm:
The topic you're referring to was disgusting, misogynistic and abominable BECAUSE of Aussie's comments. This topic is Aussie-free. As such, it will be safe. |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Lisa Jones on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:23pm Setanta wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:16pm:
I've got brothers, sons, nephews etc....so yes, I think it's a serious issue. I wouldn't want to see any of them defending assault charges. |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Setanta on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:29pm Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:19pm:
Aussie is to be left out of this, thanks, it was moved from relationships by me specifically to leave him out of it and to have a somewhat, hopefully, reasonable discussion about it. |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Lisa Jones on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:33pm Setanta wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:29pm:
Thank you Captain Obvious ::) |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Setanta on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:35pm Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:33pm:
Thank you for following the gist. :-/ |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Black Orchid on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:38pm Setanta wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:29pm:
Protected species now? How many others get protection here? That's very disappointing indeed. If he who shall not be named saw someone else type a quarter of what he did the other night he would hound them to eternity and back and everyone here knows it. Oh, and guess what? They wouldn't be protected from it. |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Setanta on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:42pm Black Orchid wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:38pm:
Please don't start BO, that's not the reason. I've explained it. If this turns into another mess it will disappear and it's an issue that should be discussed. Keeping Aussie out of it is the only way for reasonable discussion to take place. Can you live with that? I don't want this to turn into a pile of shyte and will act. |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Lisa Jones on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:44pm
gone
Modified by Setanta. |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Black Orchid on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:45pm Setanta wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:42pm:
I don't want any part of what is going on. It's a cover up and protection racket. You won't be hearing from me again here. I am disgusted at the bias being shown. Leaving. Carry on. |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Lisa Jones on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:48pm Setanta wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:42pm:
Act? How? By making otherwise worthy topics disappear? Is that how you intend to deal with online misogyny and the pathetic justification of assault on fellow female forum members? Will Big Vic continue to ban those female members who speak up? Is this the new order of things on OzPol? |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Leftwinger on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:52pm
Shut it down sentana , if someone put you up to giving it a run again then you were setup .
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Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Setanta on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:53pm Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:48pm:
What have I made disappear? This topic was locked, I unlocked it and moved it and set rules so yet another thread on this didn't disappear. Discuss the topic, not Au. |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Setanta on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:54pm Its time wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:52pm:
I'm trying to treat adults as such. Perhaps they are all cats. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk7yqlTMvp8 |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Lisa Jones on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:56pm Black Orchid wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:45pm:
Why should we girls be silenced? Bugger that. No. We need representation. At GMod level! |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by issuevoter on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:58pm
I knew this thread was dumb idea.
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Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Setanta on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:58pm Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:56pm:
Fine. Have it your way. Thread will be locked. |
Title: Re: When are men entitled to strike a woman - Debate Post by Rhino on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:58pm Its time wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 9:52pm:
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