.Labor has seized on Tony Abbott's admission he should have backed the Gillard government's people swap deal with Malaysia while in opposition, saying it would have avoided the current scandals in offshore detention camps

Opposition frontbencher Stephen Conroy said if the 2011 proposal to send 800 asylum seekers to Malaysia in exchange for 4000 genuine refugees had eventuated, there would have been no need for the Manus Island and Nauru detention centres.

"This would have avoided all of these problems," he told Sky News on Sunday, referring to allegations of abuse and self harm in incident reports leaked to the Guardian Australia last week.

"There were 600-odd deaths (at sea) after the Malaysia solution was rejected and all of the problems that have now emerged at Nauru and Manus would not have happened."

The Malaysia deal was quashed by the High Court and.



Federal Labor warns the problems with offshore detention centres could have been avoided had Tony Abbott allowed the Malaysia solution to go ahead in 2011.© AAP Image/Andrew Taylor Federal Labor warns the problems with offshore detention centres could have been avoided had Tony Abbott allowed the Malaysia solution to go ahead in 2011.  Senator Conroy said he was "absolutely gobsmacked" to read about Mr Abbott's change of heart.

The former prime minister on Friday conceded that while he doubted the Malaysia plan would have worked, allowing it could have avoided some of the "hyper-partisanship" that now poisons public life.

Labor is backing calls for a parliamentary inquiry to examine claims of abuse in the Nauru immigration detention centre.
Mr Abbott as opposition leader refused to back the Labor government's bill to override the decision
Labor senator Sam Dastyari said the federal government has a "secrecy fetish".

"Who are we as a nation, who are we as a people, if we're going to turn around and turn a blind eye to this type of human rights violations?" he told ABC TV.

Greens leader Richard Di Natale reiterated his calls for a royal commission into what's happening on Nauru.

He said the billions of dollars spent on Manus Island and Nauru detention centres would be better spent setting up processing centres in asylum seeker source and transit countries to stop people making boat journeys.

"While these centres continue to be open we're going to the sort of abuses occurring on kids," he told Sky News.


Its just one balls up after another isn't it rtardz  ::)

There were 600-odd deaths (at sea) after the Malaysia solution was rejected and all of the problems that have now emerged at Nauru and Manus would not have happened."

Labor has seized on Tony Abbott's admission he should have backed the Gillard government's people swap deal with Malaysia while in opposition

Well well well

abbott knew he should have supported it back then ... but he needed asylums seekers to keep dying so he'd get more votes. The man is scum

This is just unbelievable.  In fact, if it weren't in the link below, I would have put it down as an anti Abbott sledge.  Regrettably it's true.  When I think of the years of some of the Righties on here blaming Labor for deaths at sea, women and children dying on leaky boats, and now, what has always been suspected is now shown as true.   Abbott basically had a hand in the deaths of these people purely because he would not support Gillard's push to have Australian law changed to try and stop these people coming.  A purely political, selfish  stance that has led to hundreds dying

I feel ashamed to be an Australian when I read things like this

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/outspoken-tony-abbott-flies-the-flag-for-conservative-reform-agenda/news-story/13bb7bd444d46071b2d224d43d7685f1

John Smith wrote on Aug 14^th, 2016 at 4:35pm:

abbott knew he should have supported it back then ... but he needed asylums seekers to keep dying so he'd get more votes. The man is scum

Like his supporters John he doesn't give a phhhuccck about the deaths at sea

allowing it could have avoided some of the "hyper-partisanship" that now poisons public life.

The man is a maggot

The lowest common denominator as are his supporters that use deaths at sea as a wedge , maggots

Vic wrote on Aug 14^th, 2016 at 4:40pm:

This is just unbelievable.  In fact, if it weren't in the link below, I would have put it down as an anti Abbott sledge.  Regrettably it's true.  When I think of the years of some of the Righties on here blaming Labor for deaths at sea, women and children dying on leaky boats, and now, what has always been suspected is now shown as true.   Abbott basically had a hand in the deaths of these people purely because he would not support Gillard's push to have Australian law changed to try and stop these people coming.  A purely political, selfish  stance that has led to hundreds dying I feel ashamed to be an Australian when I read things like this http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/outspoken-tony-abbott-flies-the-flag-for-conservative-reform-agenda/news-story/13bb7bd444d46071b2d224d43d7685f1

Read what Abbott said at the time!

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The Malaysia deal is a bad deal,” he told the ABC this morning. “It was a bad deal six months ago, it's a bad deal today and it will be a bad deal tomorrow and the day after.” Mr Abbott said the Nauru processing centre could be operating again within a matter of weeks and would send a signal to people smugglers that the “game was up”. “If you've got Nauru, you don't need Malaysia,” he told the Nine Network. “Nauru can be up and running in a matter of weeks. “Let's get cracking on Nauru, that would send the strongest signal to the people smugglers that the game was up.”

Its time wrote on Aug 14^th, 2016 at 4:19pm:

The Malaysia deal was quashed by the High Court and.

Well that seems it was a no-goer. What should the government done when the High Court rejected the notion?

lee wrote on Aug 14^th, 2016 at 5:15pm:

Its time wrote on Aug 14th, 2016 at 4:19pm: The Malaysia deal was quashed by the High Court and. Well that seems it was a no-goer. What should the government done when the High Court rejected the notion? By Vic, The government then sought the support of the Coalition to change the law and allow the Malaysia "deal" to go through.   Abbott declined to partner with Labor at the time stating that Nauru and Manus were better options

Labor and Abbottt on the same page  : tweedle dee and tweedle dum.

lee wrote on Aug 14^th, 2016 at 5:15pm:

Its time wrote on Aug 14th, 2016 at 4:19pm: The Malaysia deal was quashed by the High Court and. Well that seems it was a no-goer. What should the government done when the High Court rejected the notion?

changed the law  :D :D :D

lee wrote on Aug 14^th, 2016 at 5:15pm:

Its time wrote on Aug 14th, 2016 at 4:19pm: The Malaysia deal was quashed by the High Court and. Well that seems it was a no-goer. What should the government done when the High Court rejected the notion?

Abbott was not in Government.  Labor was.  After the High Court decision, all Abbott had to do was support remedial legislation.  The Labor Government did not bother, as Abbott had made his position of strident opposition clear.  Remember, Labor was in minority Government then.

Aussie wrote on Aug 14^th, 2016 at 5:49pm:

Abbott was not in Government.  Labor was.  After the High Court decision, all Abbott had to do was support remedial legislation.  The Labor Government did not bother, as Abbott had made his position of strident opposition clear.  Remember, Labor was in minority Government then.

Just imagine if Abbott had wanted to change a law whilst in power. The luvvies would have had a conniption.

The minority government boasted of how many pieces of legislation was passed when in power. How did they do that?

lee wrote on Aug 14^th, 2016 at 5:58pm:

Just imagine if Abbott had wanted to change a law whilst in power. The luvvies would have had a conniption.

you realise that is exactly what governments do each and every time they pass a bill, right?

Who really gives a stuff about this Labor disaster anymore ?

Abbott can say whatever he wants just to stir the pot and get the Lefties like Lefty Wingy eating out of his hands.

More garbage from Juliar.  As usual.

Aussie wrote on Aug 14^th, 2016 at 5:49pm:

lee wrote on Aug 14th, 2016 at 5:15pm: Its time wrote on Aug 14th, 2016 at 4:19pm: The Malaysia deal was quashed by the High Court and. Well that seems it was a no-goer. What should the government done when the High Court rejected the notion? Abbott was not in Government.  Labor was.  After the High Court decision, all Abbott had to do was support remedial legislation.  The Labor Government did not bother, as Abbott had made his position of strident opposition clear.  Remember, Labor was in minority Government then.

The day the announcement was made in the high court Abbott suggested changing the legislation and committed to supporting the changes, he quickly changed his mind (back flipped) and opposed the changes. The legislation was not supported by the liberals until the re opening of Nauru which was also just as illegal for the same reasons.

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John Smith wrote on Aug 14^th, 2016 at 6:08pm:

lee wrote on Aug 14th, 2016 at 5:58pm: Just imagine if Abbott had wanted to change a law whilst in power. The luvvies would have had a conniption. you realise that is exactly what governments do each and every time they pass a bill, right?

It just depends on which pieces of legislation. There were sure shrill screams coming from Labor when Abbott was head of government.

See the repeating parrot Poor Stunned is still moving. A good solid frozened brain Lefty.

Hey Stunned, how are you getting on at the Centrelink office ? Still putting sausages on the kitchen table ?

Don't you feel guilty stealing your Welfare from the Australian taxpayers ?

Of course, if it had not been for the crass stupidity of the Greenies led Krudd/Gillard/Krudd Socialist abortion, there would never have been any need for any prisons for illegal invaders organized to come here by the appalling Greenie SHY.

Whoever were the brain dead creeps who voted for SHY ?

More garbage from Juliar.  As usual.

I wonder what Tony is up to? He's retrospectively commending  a policy he opposed even though it is impossible  to tell if what he now believes would have happened indeed  would have happened. Either way it is in the past and therefore a moot point. With the greatest respect, Mr Abbott; reserve your wedge politics for the opposition.

lee wrote on Aug 14^th, 2016 at 6:45pm:

. John Smith wrote on Aug 14th, 2016 at 6:08pm: lee wrote on Aug 14th, 2016 at 5:58pm: Just imagine if Abbott had wanted to change a law whilst in power. The luvvies would have had a conniption. you realise that is exactly what governments do each and every time they pass a bill, right? It just depends on which pieces of legislation. There were sure shrill screams coming from Labor when Abbott was head of government.

no, it depends on nothing.  You crying about Abbott isn't going to help you

John Smith wrote on Aug 14^th, 2016 at 9:34pm:

no, it depends on nothing.  You crying about Abbott isn't going to help you

You are so delusional John. :D :D :D :D :D

Mr Abbott reveals why he would never make it in small business and had to become a career politician to pay his mortgage.

Cattle have strayed into the australian pasture.
people are just totally overcomplicating this.
Get on the phone to the bloke who runs the port in Sri Lanka or where ever.

"hi ya buddy, we got a couple of yours wandered over. we'll shoot em back to you wednesday avo. You owe me a carton matey. Can you get your fencing contractor in . a few must have pushed thru the fence . Cheers cobber"

a level 6 administration officer in the public service should have this sorted by 9 am. No need for politicians to get involved in trivia

lee wrote on Aug 14^th, 2016 at 10:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 14th, 2016 at 9:34pm: no, it depends on nothing.  You crying about Abbott isn't going to help you You are so delusional John. :D :D :D :D :D

nothing delusional about it. When parliament passes a bill it becomes law. That's a FACT. It's astonishing how little you seem to know about how our government works

Abbott couldve saved 600 , given it was all about deaths at sea and not hating on brown people , why didnt team abort back gillard rtardz ?

John Smith wrote on Aug 15^th, 2016 at 7:38am:

nothing delusional about it. When parliament passes a bill it becomes law. That's a FACT. It's astonishing how little you seem to know about how our government works

I do know you think how it works is Labor all good, Liberal all bad. ;)

lee wrote on Aug 15^th, 2016 at 11:03am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 7:38am: nothing delusional about it. When parliament passes a bill it becomes law. That's a FACT. It's astonishing how little you seem to know about how our government works I do know you think how it works is Labor all good, Liberal all bad. ;)

We got Tony on the record saying it so , nothing about the 600 lives , only now Labor and Liberal have a hostile working relationship  :(

no pleasing some people......so hes changed his mind.. ::)wow what a crime.... I guess lefties never do that????>..

I thought the plan was horrible people swapping.. not my idea of a good stunt....I still do.... sending 600 more into the jaws of hell... is not worthy of Australians either... ::) ::)

I am not even sure why he is talking about this....there are more than 600 on manus?.

cods wrote on Aug 15^th, 2016 at 11:23am:

no pleasing some people......so hes changed his mind.. ::)wow what a crime.... I guess lefties never do that????>.. I thought the plan was horrible people swapping.. not my idea of a good stunt....I still do.... sending 600 more into the jaws of hell... is not worthy of Australians either... ::) ::) I am not even sure why he is talking about this....there are more than 600 on manus?.

There are 926 adult asylum seekers in detention on Manus Island.

cods wrote on Aug 15^th, 2016 at 11:23am:

no pleasing some people......so hes changed his mind.. ::)wow what a crime.... I guess lefties never do that????>.. I thought the plan was horrible people swapping.. not my idea of a good stunt....I still do.... sending 600 more into the jaws of hell... is not worthy of Australians either... ::) ::) I am not even sure why he is talking about this....there are more than 600 on manus?.

There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead?

Vic wrote on Aug 15^th, 2016 at 11:30am:

There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead?

Wasn't that an election promise? ;)

lee wrote on Aug 15^th, 2016 at 1:53pm:

Vic wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 11:30am: There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead? Wasn't that an election promise? ;)

The oft quoted part of a statement by Gillard - yes

____ wrote on Aug 14^th, 2016 at 5:26pm:

Labor and Abbottt on the same page  : tweedle dee and tweedle dum.

Not at all.


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Labor is backing calls for a parliamentary inquiry to examine claims of abuse in the Nauru immigration detention centre.

AND THEY SAY A WOMAN SCORNED.

IT SHOULD NOW READ .........AN ABBOTT SCORNED.......

600 deaths at sea could've potentially been avoided , why are you silent on this armpit ?

SHAME LABOR SHAME

Scumbag Morrison dumps on Abbott.  What sort of mindless Lemming are you Morrison?  Are you saying (yeas you are, you know) that you will blindly support whatever the Fuhrer wants, no matter what your own mind tells you!  What a cop-out!!!!!

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"I acted in accordance with my leader's instructions," Mr Morrison told Sky News when pressed on the reason the opposition had refused point-blank to legislate the scheme at the time.

A far king yes man!

Aussie wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2016 at 6:33pm:

Scumbag Morrison dumps on Abbott.  What sort of mindless Lemming are you Morrison?  Are you saying (yeas you are, you know) that you will blindly support whatever the Fuhrer wants, no matter what your own mind tells you!  What a cop-out!!!!! Link. Quote: "I acted in accordance with my leader's instructions," Mr Morrison told Sky News when pressed on the reason the opposition had refused point-blank to legislate the scheme at the time. A far king yes man!

"I haven't seen what she's said, but let me say I support what it is she said."

::)

Secret Wars wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2016 at 6:39pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 23rd, 2016 at 6:33pm: Scumbag Morrison dumps on Abbott.  What sort of mindless Lemming are you Morrison?  Are you saying (yeas you are, you know) that you will blindly support whatever the Fuhrer wants, no matter what your own mind tells you!  What a cop-out!!!!! Link. Quote: "I acted in accordance with my leader's instructions," Mr Morrison told Sky News when pressed on the reason the opposition had refused point-blank to legislate the scheme at the time. A far king yes man! "I haven't seen what she's said, but let me say I support what it is she said." ::)

Go start a Thread about him.  This is about Abbott and Morrison's roles in a national disgrace.

Aussie wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2016 at 7:04pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Aug 23rd, 2016 at 6:39pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 23rd, 2016 at 6:33pm: Scumbag Morrison dumps on Abbott.  What sort of mindless Lemming are you Morrison?  Are you saying (yeas you are, you know) that you will blindly support whatever the Fuhrer wants, no matter what your own mind tells you!  What a cop-out!!!!! Link. Quote: "I acted in accordance with my leader's instructions," Mr Morrison told Sky News when pressed on the reason the opposition had refused point-blank to legislate the scheme at the time. A far king yes man! "I haven't seen what she's said, but let me say I support what it is she said." ::) Go start a Thread about him.  This is about Abbott and Morrison's roles in a national disgrace.

Bite me bozo.   ::) you know as well as anyone that any thread about any side will be interjected with examples of hypocricy, double dealing, double standards, the same behaviour, condemnation or praise from the other side.

If I could be bothered looking there is no doubt threads about Julia in which you have interjected with examples of Howard.  So once more for the dim and partisan, bite me.

Its time wrote on Aug 15^th, 2016 at 3:19pm:

600 deaths at sea could've potentially been avoided , why are you silent on this armpit ?

Bump