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Message started by AiA on Sep 15th, 2016 at 3:31am

Title: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Sep 15th, 2016 at 3:31am


nobody can know who will win the 2016 US presidential election but there is data worth paying attention to, that of statistician Nate Silver, based on his impressive track record. 

As of two hours ago he put Hillary at a 67.1 % chance of winning using the "polls-only forecast":

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

If the election were held today (again, updated 2 hours ago) Hillary has a 69.6% of winning:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#now

Again, these are forecasts, but Nate Silver's track record is so good that his forecasts are the ones to watch.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Sep 15th, 2016 at 3:53am
As of 47 minutes ago Hillary Clinton has a 66.8% chance of winning in the polls-only forecast.

Sure, if you watch the news your attention is focused on Trump, Trump, Trump and Hillary's "mystery" illness so naturally you would think Trump will win. I am not saying he will not, however. The mind gives causality to whatever it is focused on whether causality exists or not.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Sunny_beach_babe on Sep 15th, 2016 at 7:16am
Down to 64.3%

She's going down quicker than Monica in a blue dress.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Sep 15th, 2016 at 7:52am

Sunny_beach_babe wrote on Sep 15th, 2016 at 7:16am:
Down to 64.3%

She's going down quicker than Monica in a blue dress.


No, 64.1% as of now, Chinaman. Kind of like blood pressure, up and down.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by issuevoter on Sep 15th, 2016 at 8:20am
Just to clarify; what is a percentage of a chance?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Sep 15th, 2016 at 8:23am

issuevoter wrote on Sep 15th, 2016 at 8:20am:
Just to clarify; what is a percentage of a chance?


Chance of winning.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Sep 15th, 2016 at 10:02pm
As of 19 minutes ago Clinton has a 63.6% chance of winning to Trump's 36.3%

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Sunny_beach_babe on Sep 15th, 2016 at 10:10pm
The trend is your friend.

Egg is for Gweg.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Sep 15th, 2016 at 10:13pm

Sunny_beach_babe wrote on Sep 15th, 2016 at 10:10pm:
The trend is your friend.

Egg is for Gweg.


a fearsome oriental whoopin online ass

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Sep 15th, 2016 at 10:14pm

Hillary will win.

Anyone wanna make a bet?

Of course not: gutless bitches.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Sep 15th, 2016 at 10:16pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 15th, 2016 at 10:14pm:
Hillary will win.

Anyone wanna make a bet?

Of course not: gutless bitches.



If the election were held today, Clinton would win.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Aussie on Sep 15th, 2016 at 10:22pm

AiA wrote on Sep 15th, 2016 at 10:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 15th, 2016 at 10:14pm:
Hillary will win.

Anyone wanna make a bet?

Of course not: gutless bitches.



If the election were held today, Clinton would win.


She has been invisible for several days now.  Even Trump seems to have backed off.  The campaign (both sides) seems to be stalled for the moment.  Yeas?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Sep 15th, 2016 at 10:27pm

Aussie wrote on Sep 15th, 2016 at 10:22pm:

AiA wrote on Sep 15th, 2016 at 10:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 15th, 2016 at 10:14pm:
Hillary will win.

Anyone wanna make a bet?

Of course not: gutless bitches.



If the election were held today, Clinton would win.


She has been invisible for several days now.  Even Trump seems to have backed off.  The campaign (both sides) seems to be stalled for the moment.  Yeas?



I suspect Trump backing off is the result of advice from his new handler. He is letting Hillary's health speak for itself.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Sep 15th, 2016 at 10:31pm

AiA wrote on Sep 15th, 2016 at 10:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 15th, 2016 at 10:14pm:
Hillary will win.

Anyone wanna make a bet?

Of course not: gutless bitches.



If the election were held today, Clinton would win.


She'll win, on any day.

I guarantee it.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Sunny_beach_babe on Sep 15th, 2016 at 10:33pm
Hilary is toast.
Gweggy can dip his face in her.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Sep 15th, 2016 at 10:37pm

Sunny_beach_babe wrote on Sep 15th, 2016 at 10:33pm:
Hilary is toast.
Gweggy can dip his face in her.


Wanna place a bet, bitch?


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Sunny_beach_babe on Sep 15th, 2016 at 10:44pm
I dont bet with known liars.

You can't be trusted, because you lie.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Aussie on Sep 15th, 2016 at 10:51pm

Quote:
I suspect Trump backing off is the result of advice from his new handler. He is letting Hillary's health speak for itself.


Clinton's health is still a subject of the conspironut theorists, but....it cannot be denied she had serious wobbles at that 9/11 event, said to be pneumonia.  I know nothing about politics in the USA but I'd be staggered if the corpse of Clinton could not beat Trump.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Sunny_beach_babe on Sep 15th, 2016 at 11:01pm

Aussie wrote on Sep 15th, 2016 at 10:51pm:

Quote:
I suspect Trump backing off is the result of advice from his new handler. He is letting Hillary's health speak for itself.


Clinton's health is still a subject of the conspironut theorists, but....it cannot be denied she had serious wobbles at that 9/11 event, said to be pneumonia.  I know nothing about politics in the USA but I'd be staggered if the corpse of Clinton could not beat Trump.

Progressives are known for their distance from reality.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Sep 16th, 2016 at 2:08am
Clinton has a 62.3% chance of winning as of this minute. Trump is at 37.7%

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Sep 16th, 2016 at 4:58am
the race is tightening:  Clinton at 61%

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Sep 16th, 2016 at 4:59am

Sunny_beach_babe wrote on Sep 15th, 2016 at 11:01pm:
Progressives are known for their distance from reality.


Yet you pretend to be Lisa Jones  :o

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Fireball on Sep 16th, 2016 at 6:55am
Trump to be President.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Sunny_beach_babe on Sep 16th, 2016 at 7:27am

AiA wrote on Sep 16th, 2016 at 4:59am:

Sunny_beach_babe wrote on Sep 15th, 2016 at 11:01pm:
Progressives are known for their distance from reality.


Yet you pretend to be Lisa Jones  :o

You pretend you're not stupid.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by cods on Sep 16th, 2016 at 2:23pm

AiA wrote on Sep 16th, 2016 at 2:08am:
Clinton has a 62.3% chance of winning as of this minute. Trump is at 37.7%




BRILLIANCE IN 3 PARTS This is a cry from an American who loves his country.!!!!!!



Part I:

A. Back off and let those men who want to marry men, marry men.

B. Allow those women who want to marry women, marry women.

C. Allow those folks who want to abort their babies, abort their babies.

D. In three generations, there will be very few Democrats.



Part II:

Ten Poorest Cities in America  (How did it happen?) 

City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level



1. Detroit, MI 32.5%

2. Buffalo, NY 29.9%

3. Cincinnati, OH 27.8%

4. Cleveland, OH 27.0%

5. Miami, FL 26.9%

5. St. Louis, MO 26.8%

7. El Paso, TX 26.4%

8. Milwaukee, WI 26.2%

9. Philadelphia, PA 25.1%

10. Newark, NJ 24.2%



What do these top ten cities (over 250,000 pop.) with the highest poverty rate all have in common?



Detroit, MI - (1st on poverty rate list) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961

Buffalo, NY - (2nd) hasn't elected one since 1954

Cincinnati, OH - (3rd) not since 1984

Cleveland, OH - (4th) not since 1989

Miami, FL - (5th) has never had a Republican mayor

St. Louis, MO - (6th) not since 1949

El Paso, TX - (7th) has never had a Republican mayor

Milwaukee, WI - (8th) not since 1908

Philadelphia, PA - (9th) not since 1952

Newark, NJ - (10th) not since 1907



Einstein once said, 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.' :) :)

It is the poor who habitually elect Democrats... yet they are still POOR.
::)


Part III:

"You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.

You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.

You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.

You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.

You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.

You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence.

You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves."



~Abraham Lincoln



"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him had better take a much closer look at the

American Indian."



~Henry Ford



Six trivia questions to see how much history you really know.  Be honest; it's kind of fun and revealing.  If you don't know the answer, make your best guess.  Answer all of the questions (no cheating) before looking at the answers.



1) "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."



A. Karl Marx               B. Adolph Hitler           C.  Joseph Stalin

D. Barack Obama                E. None of the above



2) "It's time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the

few, by the few, and for the few... and to replace it with shared responsibility, for shared prosperity."



A. Lenin                     B. Mussolini                C. Idi Amin

D. Barack Obama                E. None of the above



3) "(We).... can't just let business as usual go on, and that means something has to be taken away from some people."



A. Nikita Khrushchev    B.  Joseph Goebbels     C. Boris Yeltsin

D. Barack Obama                E. None of the above



4) "We have to build a political consensus and that requires people to give up a little bit of their own ... in order to create this common ground."



A. Mao Tse Tung         B. Hugo Chavez          C. Kim Jong II

D. Barack Obama                E. None of the above



5) "I certainly think the free-market has failed."



A.  Karl Marx              B. Lenin                     C. Molotov

D. Barack Obama                E. None of the above



6) "I think it's time to send a clear message to what has become the most profitable sector in (the) entire economy that they are being watched."



A. Pinochet                 B. Milosevic                C. Saddam Hussein

D. Barack Obama                E. None of the above



No peeking!






Scroll down for answers...







(1)  E. None of the above.  Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 

6/29/2004



(2)  E. None of the above.  Statement was made by Hillary Clinton

5/29/2007



(3)  E. None of the above.  Statement was made by Hillary Clinton

6/4/2007



(4)  E. None of the above.  Statement was made by Hillary Clinton

6/4/2007



(5)  E. None of the above.  Statement was made by Hillary Clinton

6/4/2007



(6)  E. None of the above.  Statement was made by Hillary Clinton

9/2/2005



Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Sprintcyclist on Sep 16th, 2016 at 3:03pm

cods wrote on Sep 16th, 2016 at 2:23pm:

AiA wrote on Sep 16th, 2016 at 2:08am:
Clinton has a 62.3% chance of winning as of this minute. Trump is at 37.7%




BRILLIANCE IN 3 PARTS This is a cry from an American who loves his country.!!!!!!



Part I:

A. Back off and let those men who want to marry men, marry men.

B. Allow those women who want to marry women, marry women.

C. Allow those folks who want to abort their babies, abort their babies.

D. In three generations, there will be very few Democrats.



Part II:

Ten Poorest Cities in America  (How did it happen?) 

City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level



1. Detroit, MI 32.5%

2. Buffalo, NY 29.9%

3. Cincinnati, OH 27.8%

4. Cleveland, OH 27.0%

5. Miami, FL 26.9%

5. St. Louis, MO 26.8%

7. El Paso, TX 26.4%

8. Milwaukee, WI 26.2%

9. Philadelphia, PA 25.1%

10. Newark, NJ 24.2%



What do these top ten cities (over 250,000 pop.) with the highest poverty rate all have in common?



Detroit, MI - (1st on poverty rate list) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961

Buffalo, NY - (2nd) hasn't elected one since 1954

Cincinnati, OH - (3rd) not since 1984

Cleveland, OH - (4th) not since 1989

Miami, FL - (5th) has never had a Republican mayor

St. Louis, MO - (6th) not since 1949

El Paso, TX - (7th) has never had a Republican mayor

Milwaukee, WI - (8th) not since 1908

Philadelphia, PA - (9th) not since 1952

Newark, NJ - (10th) not since 1907



Einstein once said, 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.' :) :)

It is the poor who habitually elect Democrats... yet they are still POOR.
::)


Part III:

"You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.

You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.

You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.

You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.

You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.

You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence.

You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves."



~Abraham Lincoln



"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him had better take a much closer look at the

American Indian."



~Henry Ford



Six trivia questions to see how much history you really know.  Be honest; it's kind of fun and revealing.  If you don't know the answer, make your best guess.  Answer all of the questions (no cheating) before looking at the answers.



1) "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."



A. Karl Marx               B. Adolph Hitler           C.  Joseph Stalin

D. Barack Obama                E. None of the above



2) "It's time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the

few, by the few, and for the few... and to replace it with shared responsibility, for shared prosperity."



A. Lenin                     B. Mussolini                C. Idi Amin

D. Barack Obama                E. None of the above



3) "(We).... can't just let business as usual go on, and that means something has to be taken away from some people."



A. Nikita Khrushchev    B.  Joseph Goebbels     C. Boris Yeltsin

D. Barack Obama                E. None of the above



4) "We have to build a political consensus and that requires people to give up a little bit of their own ... in order to create this common ground."



A. Mao Tse Tung         B. Hugo Chavez          C. Kim Jong II

D. Barack Obama                E. None of the above



5) "I certainly think the free-market has failed."



A.  Karl Marx              B. Lenin                     C. Molotov

D. Barack Obama                E. None of the above



6) "I think it's time to send a clear message to what has become the most profitable sector in (the) entire economy that they are being watched."



A. Pinochet                 B. Milosevic                C. Saddam Hussein

D. Barack Obama                E. None of the above



No peeking!






Scroll down for answers...







(1)  E. None of the above.  Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 

6/29/2004



(2)  E. None of the above.  Statement was made by Hillary Clinton

5/29/2007



(3)  E. None of the above.  Statement was made by Hillary Clinton

6/4/2007



(4)  E. None of the above.  Statement was made by Hillary Clinton

6/4/2007



(5)  E. None of the above.  Statement was made by Hillary Clinton

6/4/2007



(6)  E. None of the above.  Statement was made by Hillary Clinton

9/2/2005



I got your 6 questions wrong

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Sep 17th, 2016 at 3:43am
Clinton:  59.7% chance of winning - polls-only forecast.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Sep 17th, 2016 at 11:17pm
Clinton: 60.2% chance of winning in the only poll/forecast that matters.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Dnarever on Sep 18th, 2016 at 9:15am
Who Cares, either will be entertaining.

Probably depends if you prefer a male of female imbercile.

Though the male option would definitely be a huge threat to the world.

But possibly he could get caught up building "The great wall of stupidity".

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Sep 18th, 2016 at 5:17pm
Trump will win.....SHillary is burnt toast! ;)

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Sep 18th, 2016 at 9:57pm
Trump will win it.

Hillary is the bizzarro option by far.  She is not going to win. No way.
Donald is the sanity, healthy, competent, able  option. She is simply not an option compared to him.i

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by garbonzo on Sep 18th, 2016 at 10:04pm

Frank wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 9:57pm:
Trump will win it.

Hillary is the bizzarro option by far.  She is not going to win. No way.
Donald is the sanity, healthy, competent, able  option. She is simply not an option compared to him.


I agree.  Would not be surprised for the DNC to give her the flick in the next week and try again with someone else.  Won't matter - Trump will be the next President.  And the US will change.  The world map will look different by the end of the second term....

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Sep 19th, 2016 at 8:49am
..

The MSM has had a meltdown, a flat out apoplectic fit.

Jimmy Fallon broke one of their cardinal rules.....don't let Donald Trump look like anything but a bad guy, a monster, a Hitleresque Nazi, ....& don't, by any means whatsoever let him enjoy himself in the public eye ... like a 'regular' guy would......well they've gone absolutely apoplectic!

Livid because of this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPh_raqO_A0


Then it led to this, something I never thought I'd ever see Trump let someone do.....ever.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0BYqzdiuJc


Words out, Fallon want's to do a strip search of Hillary next week.....stay tuned!



(link) See how the MSM & the Progressive left has taken to Fallon's Trump spot. They didn't like Fallon's "normalization" of Trump .. not one lil bit!!


..

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Sprintcyclist on Sep 19th, 2016 at 3:36pm

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Sep 19th, 2016 at 10:54pm
As of 9 hours ago Hillary Clinton has a 61.1% chance of winning.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Sprintcyclist on Sep 19th, 2016 at 11:23pm

AiA wrote on Sep 19th, 2016 at 10:54pm:
As of 9 hours ago Hillary Clinton has a 61.1% chance of winning.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/


2 weeks ago it was 80%.

about 6 weeks ago it was over 90%

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Sprintcyclist on Sep 19th, 2016 at 11:35pm

Quote:
Donald Trump is gaining support among African-American voters — whose enthusiasm for Hillary Clinton is eroding, a tracking poll released Saturday revealed.

Trump saw a 16.5 percentage-point increase in backing from African-American voters in a Los Angeles Times/University of Southern California tracking poll, up from 3.1 percent on Sept. 10 to 19.6 percent through Friday.

Meanwhile, the same poll showed Clinton’s support among that group plummeting from 90.4 percent on Sept. 10 to 71.4 percent.

Clinton’s nearly 20-point crash began Sunday, said Dan Schnur of USC. Sunday was the day Clinton was recorded collapsing while entering a Secret Service van at a 9/11 event.

The survey, which spanned through Friday, included the days in which Trump reignited the divisive “birther” issue — which critics contend is a thinly veiled attempt to undermine the legitimacy of the country’s first black president.


Late Wednesday, Trump had refused to acknowledge that President Obama was born in the United States, demurring on the topic in a Washington Post interview published the next day.

But at a bizarre press conference at Trump International, his new ­hotel in Washington, DC, on Friday, the tycoon conceded, “President Barack Obama was born in the United States, period.”

For the week, the poll found a 6-point rise for Trump. The Republican is now at 47.2 percent of the vote to Clinton’s 41.2 percent.

“It’s the largest shift we’ve seen in a one-week period since we began polling in July,” Schnur said.


http://nypost.com/2016/09/18/black-voters-are-turning-from-clinton-to-trump-in-new-poll/

as of 1 hour ago ...........

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Sep 20th, 2016 at 1:06am
Currently, Clinton is at 60.4% chance of winning according to the most historically accurate forecaster, Nate Silver.

The race is becoming more competitive for a number of reasons.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Sep 20th, 2016 at 10:35pm
the race continues to become more competitive with Hillary at 58.5% to Trump's 41.5%

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Anyone familiar with the term "October Surprise"?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 6:37am
Genius statistician Nate Silver has Clinton at 56.8% to Trump's 43.2% as of 15 minutes ago ... the race is competitive, as it should be.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 12:38pm

AiA wrote on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 6:37am:
Genius statistician Nate Silver has Clinton at 56.8% to Trump's 43.2% as of 15 minutes ago ... the race is competitive, as it should be.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo



Percentages are fine, but unless you chart them they don't actually mean much, especially this far from election day.


It's all about TRENDS....this far out it's only TRENDS that mean anything.....who's hot & who's not:




;) 8-) ;)




Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 12:55pm

Panther wrote on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 12:38pm:

AiA wrote on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 6:37am:
Genius statistician Nate Silver has Clinton at 56.8% to Trump's 43.2% as of 15 minutes ago ... the race is competitive, as it should be.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo



Percentages are fine, but unless you chart them they don't actually mean much, especially this far from election day.


It's all about TRENDS....this far out it's only TRENDS that mean anything.....who's hot & who's not:




;) 8-) ;)


IS that like the trend that its getting warmer, or that there are more shootings in the US?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Belgarion on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 1:00pm
This election is still almost two months away. Anyone who claims to know who will win is talking through their arse.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 1:06pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 12:55pm:

Panther wrote on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 12:38pm:

AiA wrote on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 6:37am:
Genius statistician Nate Silver has Clinton at 56.8% to Trump's 43.2% as of 15 minutes ago ... the race is competitive, as it should be.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo



Percentages are fine, but unless you chart them they don't actually mean much, especially this far from election day.


It's all about TRENDS....this far out it's only TRENDS that mean anything.....who's hot & who's not:




;) 8-) ;)


IS that like the trend that its getting warmer, or that there are more shootings in the US?


Neither of those mean jack squat donkey boy......Political Polling Trends are the only trends germane to this threads topic. ;)

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 1:08pm

Belgarion wrote on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 1:00pm:
This election is still almost two months away. Anyone who claims to know who will win is talking through their arse.


Spot on, to a degree, well almost 50% anyway. 

The election is just over 46 days away, & anyone who claims they know who will win, & specifies who, has a 50% chance of being correct in a 2 person race, which in reality, this is. 



Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 1:54pm

Belgarion wrote on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 1:00pm:
This election is still almost two months away. Anyone who claims to know who will win is talking through their arse.


Care to make a wager?

Hillary will win ... comfortably.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 11:45pm
Hillary has a 58.8% chance of winning as of 41 minutes ago according to statistician genius Nate Silver:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=2016-forecast

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Sprintcyclist on Sep 23rd, 2016 at 12:10am

AiA wrote on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 6:37am:
Genius statistician Nate Silver has Clinton at 56.8% to Trump's 43.2% as of 15 minutes ago ... the race is competitive, as it should be.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo



Could be a close armwrestle

I think the demos 'traditional' voters will leave them in droves.
The track record of the democrats is poor.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Sep 23rd, 2016 at 10:11am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 23rd, 2016 at 12:10am:

AiA wrote on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 6:37am:
Genius statistician Nate Silver has Clinton at 56.8% to Trump's 43.2% as of 15 minutes ago ... the race is competitive, as it should be.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo



Could be a close armwrestle

I think the demos 'traditional' voters will leave them in droves.
The track record of the democrats is poor.


I think you're right Sprint........the polls seem to show Trump's making inroads into the Black & Hispanic (yes, you heard right....Hispanics.....there are more Spanish speaking voters out there than Mexicans....many more in fact) Black & Hispanic voters......the traditional "Taken For Granted" demonrat base voters......for 2-3 reasons...

Hillary isn't seen as doing much, except lip service, for them economically....the message being put out by the Republicans on how they've fared poorly under Obama is hitting home (that Hillary won't do better, probably worse), & secondly being there is no real incentive to vote for Hillary outside of her being a demonrat (the first woman president in history thingie really doesn't seem to excite them like the first Black president allure did), & besides they are seeing her as a frail/sickly candidate, & to get what they want/need/wish for, they would need a stronger, projecting, healthier candidate.......another successful Republican message they're being hammered with.

With that said, I see a lot of those voters, & many white demorats too, either voting for another candidate who can win, or staying home & skipping this election.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Sep 23rd, 2016 at 10:34pm
12 hours ago Clinton had a 60.5% chance of winning according to genius Nate Silver. We will see what the new day in North America will bring ...

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Sep 24th, 2016 at 1:47am
A new day has dawned in America and Clinton's chances of winning/losing are essentially unchanged:  60.3%.

I suspect the upcoming debates will be the most important since Nixon v JFK.  Trump has new handlers which are framing him in a new way ... and it seems to be working. But the debates will leave him exposed. He has nothing to gain from the debates since what he is and has been doing is working fine but could he refuse to do the debates without destroying his chances?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Sep 24th, 2016 at 9:29pm
Clinton - 60.8% chance of winning as of 4 hours ago


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Lionel Edriess on Sep 24th, 2016 at 10:03pm

Much will depend on how each candidate fares in the upcoming debates.

Will Hillary choke?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Sep 24th, 2016 at 10:42pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Sep 24th, 2016 at 10:03pm:
Much will depend on how each candidate fares in the upcoming debates.

Will Hillary choke?


Trump has never debated in his life. Ever. About anything.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Sprintcyclist on Sep 24th, 2016 at 10:46pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Sep 24th, 2016 at 10:03pm:
Much will depend on how each candidate fares in the upcoming debates.

Will Hillary choke?


Will Hillary cancel ?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Sep 24th, 2016 at 11:13pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 24th, 2016 at 10:46pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Sep 24th, 2016 at 10:03pm:
Much will depend on how each candidate fares in the upcoming debates.

Will Hillary choke?


Will Hillary cancel ?


Trump has little to gain from the debates and a lot to lose. If anyone "cancels" it would be him. And it wouldn't be unexpected. He has been a bitchy little baby about the moderators, careful that no one would dare fact-check him.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by The Mechanic on Sep 25th, 2016 at 8:23am
in the paper today there is some US guy who had predicted every winner since 1984..

He's picking Trump to win based on the formula he uses..

although.. he said that this was not a certainty as Trump is a unique character etc..

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Sep 29th, 2016 at 7:36pm
early polling is suggesting a post-debate bump for Clinton who as of 9 hours ago has a 57.9% chance of winning according to genius statistician Nate Silver.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Black Orchid on Sep 29th, 2016 at 9:36pm
Why isn't he questioning claims like this?


Quote:
Hillary’s top donor country is selling off ISIS sex slaves. That’s right, SEX SLAVES. Hillary takes millions of dollars from these savages who ABUSE women and gays – yet she calls herself a “champion of women” and “pro-gay?”

No, sorry, that hypocrisy won’t work anymore, lady. Hillary calls Trump supporters “deplorable” yet she TAKES MONEY from men who sell women as sex slaves, stone women, and don’t allow women to drive? How can any women or gay person support this monster?


http://12.onsocialengine.com/post/5683167/breaking-isis-sex-slaves-being-sold-off-to-highest-bidder-in-hil

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Sep 30th, 2016 at 2:57am
Hillary may have gotten that small post-debate bump as she now has a 62.2% chance of winning. 

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Sep 30th, 2016 at 1:26pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Sep 24th, 2016 at 10:03pm:
Much will depend on how each candidate fares in the upcoming debates.

Will Hillary choke?


How could she have, unless she fell stone dead from one of her fits.....she's had everything well prepared from hours upon hours of cramming, with the live updates in her ear from her team throughout the debate, etc....etc....etc...

It all came down to expectations......Trump hardly prepared, just showed up actually, & was only expected to jump over a bar six inches off the ground, where SHillary, because of her hours of preps, years of litigation as a successful lawyer for prestigious law firms, years as a Senator pontificating daily on the floor of the U.S. Senate, years as the Secretary of State traveling country to country.....always under sniper fire... , & those famous countless hours making millions on the Wall Street talk circuit, Shillary needed to do better than Moses did with the 10 Commandments on Mt Sinai, just to treed head above water!

Yep, in the end it was all about expectations.......that was, & will be, the bottom line.  ;)


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Sep 30th, 2016 at 1:37pm
She didnt have an earpiece.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Sep 30th, 2016 at 4:49pm
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Presidential Historian Says Trump Will Win Election





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Cambridge, MASS - Harvard Historian Peter Lodensplatz predicts Donald Trump will be America's next President. He claims his Presidential prediction model superior to all others because it is based on "all American Presidential elections" dating back to the Articles of Confederation.

"If pressed, most experts wouldn't be able to tell you if there even were Presidents back then," says Lodensplatz.

Most Presidential election prediction models use some kind of a "checklist." Is the economy growing? Is there a foreign policy crisis? Has the same party been in power more than 8 years?

"I use those factors too, and they have powerful predictive propensities," said Lodensplatz. "But I also include 'cock' on my list."

Lodnesplatz's model has a total of 11 factors, and the first ten factors led to a tie between Trump and Clinton.

"That left us with the strongest predictor of success in a Presidential election - does the winning candidate have a cock? Signs point to a Trump victory when that criterion is taken into account."

Lodensplatz was careful to explain that the 'cock question' pertains to whether it is actually attached to the candidate's body.

"Clinton may at any given moment have a cock - in her hand, up her butt, down her throat - but that's not the salient feature. The question is: is the cock part of her actual anatomy? Or, at the end of the day, does it really belong to someone else?"

Lodnesplatz said all winning American Presidential candidates, dating back to the Articles of Confederation, have had cocks.

"Though correlation is not causation, the fact that all winning candidates have had cocks nonetheless makes a cock a pretty powerful predictor of who's going to win."

Lodensplatz has been widely criticized for not taking into account the unprecedented fact that one candidate - Hillary Clinton - is a female and can't have a cock in any kind of permanent sense.

"True," he acknowledges, "but Thomas Dewey's cock was shot off when he was 23 in some kind of freak duck hunting incident, and none of Chester Arthur's opponents had cocks, all of them having been severed in one way or another during the Civil War."

Historians say that in early American history, it was not at all unusual for Presidential candidates not to have cocks. Especially if they had lived on the frontier.

"Woods animals often snuggle up near the cock and balls to stay warm and often gnawed off a drunken frontiersman's wang if they woke up hungry and wanted a midnight snack," says Brown Historian Peter Wood.

"James Fremont, for example, had his dick bit off by a gopher during his ill fated invasion of California," Wood said.

Wood went on to say that animal attacks on cocks occur to this day but are rarely reported because the victims are embarrassed.

"I mean, who's going to call the local news station to tell them a bear swiped their dick off this summer in Yosemite?"

Officials from the Department of Fish and Wildlife reports that at the end of the summer vacation season, forest and other park workers find gnarled remain of human cocks "everywhere."

"Coyote cubs are especially fond of the human cock, seeing it as a kind of 'chew toy,'" a Park Ranger who preferred to remain anonymous said. The official said he has clamored for years to try to get the Department to put up warning signs to deter tourists from showing wild animals their dicks and to take protective measures in their tents but his pleas have gone unheeded.

Senior officials said they're not about to go putting up signs with arrows over stick figures waving their dongs provocatively at rattlesnakes.

Lodenplatz also pointed out that 90 percent of the time when both candidates have had cocks, the one with the bigger cock has won. "There appears also to be some connection between cock size and margin of victory."......Continued in the next post



Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Sep 30th, 2016 at 4:51pm
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Quote:

Continuation from previous post
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Lodensplatz cited Barry Goldwater's "thimble dick" as the reason for his landslide loss to Lyndon Baynes Johnson, who was "hung like James Polk."

"That means more cock equals electoral success," he said. "So Clinton's "zero cock" in the face of however much cock Trump may or may not have, spells a Trump victory in November."

Lodensplatz admitted his model is not perfect, and that there are exceptions to "the biggest cock wins" rule.

"The most recent exception was when Jimm Carter beat Gerald Ford," Lodensplatz said. "Ford's cock was bigger; so big, in fact, that he often tripped over it."

He cited an embarrassing incident when Gerald Ford emerged from Air Force One and waved at a welcoming delegation in the Philippines, only to step on his own cock as he descended and fall down the airplane stairs.

"That forever branded him a retard in the eyes of a big enough portion of the electorate to doom his chances at re-election," Lodensplatz said.

Lodensplatz said retards with big cocks usually don't get any further in life than retards without them.

"Once the electorate thought Ford was a 'tard, no amount of cock could ever rescue him from defeat at the polls," he said.

"Richard Nixon and John F. Kennedy were tied in length. Nixon's was fatter in the shaft while Kennedy had a much more bulbous head, and historians to this day have no idea who really won that election, thanks to ballot stuffing in Texas for Johnson and in mafia strongholds for Kennedy," Lodensplatz said.

Other Presidential Election models suggest a close race but a Trump victory too, but all of them have other factors than Trump's cock pointing to him winning in November.

"There is also always the chance of an 'October Surprise'," Lodensplatz said, referring to a revelation just as the election nears that upsets all prediction models.

And what if that surprise turns out to be that Hillary Clinton has a cock?

"Strictly speaking, my model would give it to her if Trump's cock is smaller , but, I think a woman with a huge cock might be such an inherently hideous idea that victory would go to Trump," Lodensplatz said.




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Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Sep 30th, 2016 at 10:00pm
Hillary had a good week because Trump had a bad week:  he has been on the defensive about his "fat" comments for days now while not only has Hillary had a post-debate  bump, her supporters are getting re-energized.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Oct 1st, 2016 at 9:06am

AiA wrote on Sep 30th, 2016 at 10:00pm:
Hillary had a good week because Trump had a bad week:  he has been on the defensive about his "fat" comments for days now while not only has Hillary had a post-debate  bump, her supporters are getting re-energized.


Sort of like ................ Dawn of the Dead ........
The 'Clinton Machine' at it's Fraudulent Old-Self Best!





Source:      The Colorado Newswire    
Quote:
Everything is in place for Hillary Clinton, every judge is in place, and nothing has been overlooked in what will be the most embarrassing display of voter fraud and deceit ever heaped on a people up to and including the Kim Jong-un “elections” in North Korea, the Manuel Noriega reign in Panama, and the grand theft of California from Bernie Sanders.

A CBS4 Denver investigation has found multiple cases of dead men and women voting for Hillary Clinton in Colorado months and in some cases years after their deaths, a revelation that raises questions about safeguards apparently in place to prevent such cases of election fraud.

“We do believe there were several instances of potential vote fraud that occurred,” said Colorado Secretary of State Wayne Williams after reviewing the CBS4 revelations. “It shows there is the potential for fraud.”

This new scandal comes days after news broke that Clinton’s lead over Trump has shrunk in Colorado and Virginia, two states that traditionally favor Democrats.

CBS Denver reports:


The cases of dead men and women casting ballots ranged from El Paso County in southern Colorado to Denver and Jefferson County. CBS4 discovered the fraudulent voting by comparing databases of voting histories in Colorado against a federal death database.

The CBS4 investigation has triggered criminal investigations in El Paso and Jefferson counties along with a broad investigation by the Colorado Secretary of State’s office...........continued




Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Oct 1st, 2016 at 9:40am
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Source:      The Washington Times      
Quote:
It’s easy to feel lost in a nation of 320 million. But it’s the strength and glory of the American way that the least among us has a say, no smaller and no bigger than anyone else, with a vote on Election Day. The stakes for charting the future have rarely been higher, as the face-off between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump on Monday night demonstrated. Vote fraud dilutes the value of the ballots cast by the eligible, and that should disturb and anger us all. If elections aren’t fair, the democratic process is a sham.

Colorado has uncovered a “very serious” pattern of ballots filed by mail in the name of the dead. Mail-in balloting makes voting more convenient but early voting distorts the decision and risks making the result a fraud. Numbers of fraudulent votes cast are undetermined thus far, but officials in El Paso County, Colorado, acknowledge that an investigation by television reporters turned up legitimate examples of illegal activity.

“We do believe there were several instances of potential vote fraud that occurred,” says Colorado Secretary of State Wayne Williams. “It shows there is the potential for fraud.” County election officials say they removed the names of 448 dead people from voter rolls before the news report was aired, and found an additional 78 names while rechecking.

Illicit ballots — even if discovered at a tiny portion of the thousands of polling stations across the country — could add up to number large enough to alter an outcome. Researchers at Old Dominion University in Virginia, studying a sample portion of the 2010 voting in the midterm elections, estimated that 2.2 percent of ballots were cast by voters who are not citizens. With Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton running neck and neck nationwide, a single percentage point swing in key states could mean the difference between a President Clinton and a President Trump...........continued



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Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Dnarever on Oct 1st, 2016 at 10:17am
Trumps poor performance in the debate I think hurt his chances a lot but worse still his dummy spit
afterwards has probably done irreparable damage.

Who would have thought that he would virtually admit paying no tax and ripping off his contractors.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Dnarever on Oct 1st, 2016 at 10:45am
Who Will Win the Presidency?

The next president of course. easy question.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by cods on Oct 1st, 2016 at 11:30am

AiA wrote on Sep 30th, 2016 at 10:00pm:
Hillary had a good week because Trump had a bad week:  he has been on the defensive about his "fat" comments for days now while not only has Hillary had a post-debate  bump, her supporters are getting re-energized.




she could have a bit of a sympathy vote when she had a little wobble..you guys are between a rock and a hard place really.. whoever wins.. will have a huge number who will never accept them as their Pres.... it will be one hard slog I would think...unless something BIG saves them...

a bit like Turnbull he is waiting for his BIG moment to help save him.. :) :)

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Oct 1st, 2016 at 12:00pm

cods wrote on Oct 1st, 2016 at 11:30am:
.........She could have a bit of a sympathy vote when she had a little wobble..you guys are between a rock and a hard place really.. whoever wins.. will have a huge number who will never accept them as their Pres.... it will be one hard slog I would think..........unless something BIG saves them...


It will be like when George Bush won the Presidency in 2000.

Millions of Americans actually found out at the same time that they didn't live in a Democracy when Al Gore, the incumbent vice-president, won the vote to be the President of the United States......he had more votes than Bush.....but to their amazement, Bush was declared the winner & became President!!!!

That's why 50% of Americans never accepted Bush as their President.


But.....How??? Why???

Simple.......America isn't a Democracy where the majority rules, no, America is a Constitutional Republic, where Presidents are chosen by an Electoral College....Americans don't actually vote for the President, they vote for representatives of a College called the Electoral College (look it up on Wikipedia), that actually picks the President. All the laws governing this can be found in the United States Constitution, which is the Supreme Law of the Land in America.

JFYI......When any official, Soldier, Law Enforcment Officer, Judge, Mayor, Senator, Representative, or even a dog catcher is sworn into office.....they have one allegiance first & foremost, they pledge an oath to defend the U.S. Constitution......not any leader, not any government, not any flag, not even the country they live in.....they pledge an oath to support & defend the United States Constitution from all enemies foreign or domestic......look up the Oaths of Office in America, & you will see I'm 100% correct. ;)


Quote:
“I, ............. , do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Richdude on Oct 1st, 2016 at 12:36pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 30th, 2016 at 1:37pm:
She didnt have an earpiece.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 2nd, 2016 at 1:13am
Clinton's superior debate performance is helping her in swing states. Trump is now more unpopular than Hillary and that is also helping her.

As of 2 hours ago Hillary has a 67.7% chance of winning.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by cods on Oct 2nd, 2016 at 6:50am

Panther wrote on Oct 1st, 2016 at 12:00pm:
When any official, Soldier, Law Enforcment Officer, Judge, Mayor, Senator, Representative, or even a dog catcher is sworn into office.....they have one allegiance first & foremost, they pledge an oath to defend the U.S. Constitution......not any leader, not any government, not any flag, not even the country they live in.....they pledge an oath to support & defend the United States Constitution from all enemies foreign or domestic......look up the Oaths of Office in America, & you will see I'm 100% correct.

Quote:
“I, ............. , do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”




I understand that.. after all no good pledging to a person and then they drop dead...or get shot as in America.. ::)..

the country is not a man or women... it is US everyone we all count.. we just have to have the one person who is meant to be the leader ......in this case.. they have not exactly first class choices......but then who are we to talk?..

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 3rd, 2016 at 10:35pm
As of 7 minutes ago, Nate Silver gave Hillary a 67.7% chance of winning.

Will the information coming out about Trump being a major tax cheat affect the polling this week?

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Oct 3rd, 2016 at 11:05pm

AiA wrote on Oct 3rd, 2016 at 10:35pm:
As of 7 minutes ago, Nate Silver gave Hillary a 67.7% chance of winning.

Will the information coming out about Trump being a major tax cheat affect the polling this week?

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo


Tax cheat?

He would be a tax cheat only if he broke the law.

From what I read it seems he used the tax laws to his advantage.....as is permitted within the law.....therefore he isn't a tax cheat, if anything it proves he's smart (or his accountants are smart, & he just knows how to hire the best accountants who are fluent in tax law....now that's smart). ;)

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 3rd, 2016 at 11:16pm

Panther wrote on Oct 3rd, 2016 at 11:05pm:

AiA wrote on Oct 3rd, 2016 at 10:35pm:
As of 7 minutes ago, Nate Silver gave Hillary a 67.7% chance of winning.

Will the information coming out about Trump being a major tax cheat affect the polling this week?

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo


Tax cheat?

He would be a tax cheat only if he broke the law.

From what I read it seems he used the tax laws to his advantage.....as is permitted within the law.....therefore he isn't a tax cheat, if anything it proves he's smart (or his accountants are smart, & he just knows how to hire the best accountants who are fluent in tax law....now that's smart). ;)


I suspect Trump not paying taxes for 20 years will influence the polls in Hillary's favor whether hairs are split or not ...

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 3rd, 2016 at 11:18pm
It is rumoured that one of Trump's ex-wives, Marla Maples, released his 1995 tax return  :D

Another rumor is that Trump released them himself so he could spin the story.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 4th, 2016 at 10:09am
Yep, polls are reacting to Trump not paying his taxes

Hillary Clinton now has a 71.8% chance of winning according to genius statistician Nate Silver.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 4th, 2016 at 10:15am

AiA wrote on Oct 4th, 2016 at 10:09am:
Yep, polls are reacting to Trump not paying his taxes

Hillary Clinton now has a 71.8% chance of winning according to genius statistician Nate Silver.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/


100%, actually.

Hillary will win ... comfortably.

Trump - the alleged child rapist - will fade into obscurity.

His fifteen minutes is almost up.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Oct 4th, 2016 at 10:30am

AiA wrote on Oct 3rd, 2016 at 11:16pm:

Panther wrote on Oct 3rd, 2016 at 11:05pm:

AiA wrote on Oct 3rd, 2016 at 10:35pm:
As of 7 minutes ago, Nate Silver gave Hillary a 67.7% chance of winning.

Will the information coming out about Trump being a major tax cheat affect the polling this week?

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo


Tax cheat?

He would be a tax cheat only if he broke the law.

From what I read it seems he used the tax laws to his advantage.....as is permitted within the law.....therefore he isn't a tax cheat, if anything it proves he's smart (or his accountants are smart, & he just knows how to hire the best accountants who are fluent in tax law....now that's smart). ;)


I suspect Trump not paying taxes for 20 years will influence the polls in Hillary's favor whether hairs are split or not ...


That's where you underestimate the American public......they know tax laws very well.....not intimately, as if they could use them to the degree that Trump does, but they know of their existence, & the need for them to exist in their economy.

A sizable portion of Americans pay virtually no Federal Taxes....or very little Tax.....simply because of their long lists of personal exemptions, & deductions provided to every American in the tax codes.

Take Bankruptcy laws for instance.

The general public has used those laws quite regularly over the last 50 years, so they are acutely aware of the benefits of those laws. And as far as write-offs, again, the general public has also been using them to their advantage for decades as well, & enjoy their ability to lessen their tax burdens legally.

The American people also know if that they can legally stave off the debt collectors for 10 years, the statute of limitations runs out on debt, & for all it's worth they become debt free, & their credit ratings usually self-cleanse too. Not like here where personal debt never subsides, & will hound you way past the grave.

The only people that will cry foul are those that have been stirred up to hate anyone with more than they have.....it's called class envy.....a tool that the demonrats have relied upon for decades. They use Hate & Envy like no other, & have no equal.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 4th, 2016 at 10:41am

Panther wrote on Oct 4th, 2016 at 10:30am:

AiA wrote on Oct 3rd, 2016 at 11:16pm:

Panther wrote on Oct 3rd, 2016 at 11:05pm:

AiA wrote on Oct 3rd, 2016 at 10:35pm:
As of 7 minutes ago, Nate Silver gave Hillary a 67.7% chance of winning.

Will the information coming out about Trump being a major tax cheat affect the polling this week?

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo


Tax cheat?

He would be a tax cheat only if he broke the law.

From what I read it seems he used the tax laws to his advantage.....as is permitted within the law.....therefore he isn't a tax cheat, if anything it proves he's smart (or his accountants are smart, & he just knows how to hire the best accountants who are fluent in tax law....now that's smart). ;)


I suspect Trump not paying taxes for 20 years will influence the polls in Hillary's favor whether hairs are split or not ...


That's where you underestimate the American public......they know tax laws very well.....not intimately, as if they could use them as Trump does, but they know of their existence, & the need for them to exist in their economy.

Take Bankruptcy laws for instance.

The general public has used those laws quite regularly over the last 50 years, so they are acutely aware of the benefits of those laws. And as far as write-offs, again, the general public has also been using them to their advantage for decades as well, & enjoy their ability to lessen their tax burdens legally.

The American people also know if that they can legally stave off the debt collectors for 10 years, the statute of limitations runs out on debt, & for all it's worth they become debt free, & their credit ratings usually self-cleanse too. Not like here where personal debt never subsides, & will hound you way past the grave.

The only people that will cry foul are those that have been stirred up to hate anyone with more than they have.....it's called class envy.....a tool that the demonrats have relied upon for decades. They use Hate & Envy like no other, & have no equal.


Look up a couple of posts and see how Trump not paying his taxes has given Clinton quite a large bump in the polls:  71.8% chance of winning. I reckon a man barely getting by might feel a bit of resentment towards a man with everything not paying any taxes ...

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Oct 4th, 2016 at 11:44am

Quote:
That's where you underestimate the American public......they know tax laws very well.....not intimately, as if they could use them to the degree that Trump does, but they know of their existence, & the need for them to exist in their economy.

A sizable portion of Americans pay virtually no Federal Taxes....or very little Tax.....simply because of their long lists of personal exemptions, & deductions provided to every American in the tax codes.

Take Bankruptcy laws for instance.

The general public has used those laws quite regularly over the last 50 years, so they are acutely aware of the benefits of those laws. And as far as write-offs, again, the general public has also been using them to their advantage for decades as well, & enjoy their ability to lessen their tax burdens legally.

The American people also know if that they can legally stave off the debt collectors for 10 years, the statute of limitations runs out on debt, & for all it's worth they become debt free, & their credit ratings usually self-cleanse too. Not like here where personal debt never subsides, & will hound you way past the grave.

The only people that will cry foul are those that have been stirred up to hate anyone with more than they have.....it's called class envy.....a tool that the demonrats have relied upon for decades. They use Hate & Envy like no other, & have no equal.


AiA wrote on Oct 4th, 2016 at 10:41am:
Look up a couple of posts and see how Trump not paying his taxes has given Clinton quite a large bump in the polls:  71.8% chance of winning. I reckon a man barely getting by might feel a bit of resentment towards a man with everything not paying any taxes ...


Oh, & are we're to suppose that the Clinton's are the Poster Children for how the uber-rich should pay their taxes?

Most major polls (between 29 Sept & 2 Oct) show the leads are basically all within the "margin of error"......pretty much too close to call by
any stretch. ;)







Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 6th, 2016 at 12:13am
Hillary is really pulling ahead, as of 45 minutes ago she has a 75% chance of winning.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Agnes on Oct 6th, 2016 at 2:07am
Looking a lot better for Hilary right now.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 6th, 2016 at 2:18am

Agnes wrote on Oct 6th, 2016 at 2:07am:
Looking a lot better for Hilary right now.


Yes, as of 12 minutes ago Hillary has a 75.4% chance of winning. Of course, that figure will change. Who knows what will happen in these next weeks?

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Marla on Oct 6th, 2016 at 2:44am
What a smacking joke that alleged "debate" was. Two overly white Casper ghost candidates who offer nothing but more war. 

When they couldn't agree on more war, austerity and a continued capitals assault on the poor all they had left was to interrupt, contradict, insult, and belittle each other. Incessantly, like two little children throwing temper tantrums on who can swing their dick in the wind Better than the other guy. 

Looks like who gets in to rape what's left of the world from the Oval Office will definitely be intensifying the scarier-than-hell crap currently going on in Syria between US-backed Islamic rebels (a.k.a. the real terrorists) on the one book end and the Russian-backed government of President Bashar al-Assad on the other. Oh boy!

Nothing on education/student debt, environmental issues, minimum wage. Just two blathering idiots with massive hard ons for war.

Disgusting.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Oct 6th, 2016 at 1:01pm

Marla wrote on Oct 6th, 2016 at 2:44am:
What a smacking joke that alleged "debate" was. Two overly white Casper ghost candidates who offer nothing but more war. 

When they couldn't agree on more war, austerity and a continued capitals assault on the poor all they had left was to interrupt, contradict, insult, and belittle each other. Incessantly, like two little children throwing temper tantrums on who can swing their dick in the wind Better than the other guy. 

Looks like who gets in to rape what's left of the world from the Oval Office will definitely be intensifying the scarier-than-hell crap currently going on in Syria between US-backed Islamic rebels (a.k.a. the real terrorists) on the one book end and the Russian-backed government of President Bashar al-Assad on the other. Oh boy!

Nothing on education/student debt, environmental issues, minimum wage. Just two blathering idiots with massive hard ons for war.

Disgusting.


  So, Marlaushka, regardless on how you vote (if you do, but good chance you won't).....because it's abundantly obvious it won't be one of those two......but, that said, it will be one of those two taking over for 4 year when Obama leaves his ghetto, which one do you 'feel' will be the one who will be the new "Head Whitey In Charge"?   

Geez, that doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely as HNIC does....

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by cods on Oct 6th, 2016 at 2:19pm

AiA wrote on Oct 6th, 2016 at 2:18am:

Agnes wrote on Oct 6th, 2016 at 2:07am:
Looking a lot better for Hilary right now.


Yes, as of 12 minutes ago Hillary has a 75.4% chance of winning. Of course, that figure will change. Who knows what will happen in these next weeks?

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo



tell me AiA do Americans only get two people to vote for in your elections....

like its..

1/Hillary

2/Donald..


what if you want to vote but not for either???..

a protest vote for instance.. I find it hard to believe ..

Americans cant do better than this pair to be honest....and some very hardened voters must feel the same way..

so how do they send a message?...

not voting doesnt seem to matter over there.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Oct 6th, 2016 at 6:36pm
AFAIK.....In America you protest in 2 ways.......either you don't vote at all....or you vote 3rd party....neither will affect the actual outcome.....

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by mortdooley on Oct 7th, 2016 at 12:15am
We can even vote fourth Party.

http://www.jill2016.com/

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Sprintcyclist on Oct 7th, 2016 at 12:48am


Quote:
...................Thursday, October 06, 2016

Donald Trump has gained another point on Hillary Clinton in the wake of Tuesday night’s vice presidential debate.

The latest Rasmussen Reports White House Watch telephone and online survey of Likely U.S. Voters finds Trump with a 43% to 41% lead over Clinton. Yesterday, he was ahead 42% to 41%. Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson again earns eight percent (8%) of the vote, while three percent (3%) prefer the Green Party’s Jill Stein. Two percent (2%) like some other candidate, and four percent (4%) are undecided. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Trump has been edging back all week. He was five points ahead of Clinton going into their first debate last week but then fell behind by three after widespread criticism of his debate performance. By this past Monday, however, the two major party candidates were in a near tie, and Trump has gained a point on Clinton each day since then.

Eighty-one percent (81%) say in the latest survey that they are already certain how they will vote, and Trump posts an equally narrow 49% to 47% lead among these voters. Among those who say they still could change their minds, it’s Trump 31%, Clinton 29%, Johnson 27% and Stein 13%.

Rasmussen Reports updates its White House Watch survey daily Monday through Friday at 8:30 am based on a three-day rolling average of 1,500 Likely U.S. Voters. This is the first survey in which one of the survey nights follows the vice presidential debate...................


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch_oct06

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 7th, 2016 at 1:24am
Wow. Trump is falling faster than Malaysia Airlines Flight 370:

Hillary has a 78.4% chance of winning as of 25 minutes ago.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Marla on Oct 7th, 2016 at 1:29am

Panther wrote on Oct 6th, 2016 at 1:01pm:
  So, Marlaushka, regardless on how you vote (if you do, but good chance you won't).....because it's abundantly obvious it won't be one of those two......but, that said, it will be one of those two taking over for 4 year when Obama leaves his ghetto, which one do you 'feel' will be the one who will be the new "Head Whitey In Charge"?   

Geez, that doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely as HNIC does....




Exactly how much Adderall do you take before posting?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Oct 7th, 2016 at 9:45am

Marla wrote on Oct 7th, 2016 at 1:29am:

Panther wrote on Oct 6th, 2016 at 1:01pm:
  So, Marlaushka, regardless on how you vote (if you do, but good chance you won't).....because it's abundantly obvious it won't be one of those two......but, that said, it will be one of those two taking over for 4 year when Obama leaves his ghetto, which one do you 'feel' will be the one who will be the new "Head Whitey In Charge"?   

Geez, that doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely as HNIC does....




Exactly how much Adderall do you take before posting?


It's not available here, but I'm sure that a good physician could find an equivalent.

So, none.

Now, that said.....back to you...who do you think.....???



Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 8th, 2016 at 1:42am
HRC still strong with a 79.3 % chance of winning as of 2 hours ago:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Marla on Oct 8th, 2016 at 5:35am
Oh, dear. Where is Sprinty and his "the polls are rigged" rhetoric?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Dnarever on Oct 8th, 2016 at 7:45am

Panther wrote on Oct 3rd, 2016 at 11:05pm:

AiA wrote on Oct 3rd, 2016 at 10:35pm:
As of 7 minutes ago, Nate Silver gave Hillary a 67.7% chance of winning.

Will the information coming out about Trump being a major tax cheat affect the polling this week?

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo


Tax cheat?

He would be a tax cheat only if he broke the law.

From what I read it seems he used the tax laws to his advantage.....as is permitted within the law.....therefore he isn't a tax cheat, if anything it proves he's smart (or his accountants are smart, & he just knows how to hire the best accountants who are fluent in tax law....now that's smart). ;)


Any multi-millionaire who pays no tax for 2 decades is an oxygen thief. Make as many excuses as you like.

At the end of the day he wants to be president of a country he contributes nothing to.

It isn't a question of legality - The question may be will you vote for a low life parasite.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Oct 8th, 2016 at 9:08am

Dnarever wrote on Oct 8th, 2016 at 7:45am:

Panther wrote on Oct 3rd, 2016 at 11:05pm:

AiA wrote on Oct 3rd, 2016 at 10:35pm:
As of 7 minutes ago, Nate Silver gave Hillary a 67.7% chance of winning.

Will the information coming out about Trump being a major tax cheat affect the polling this week?

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo


Tax cheat?

He would be a tax cheat only if he broke the law.

From what I read it seems he used the tax laws to his advantage.....as is permitted within the law.....therefore he isn't a tax cheat, if anything it proves he's smart (or his accountants are smart, & he just knows how to hire the best accountants who are fluent in tax law....now that's smart). ;)


Any multi-millionaire who pays no tax for 2 decades is an oxygen thief. Make as many excuses as you like.

At the end of the day he wants to be president of a country he contributes nothing to.

It isn't a question of legality - The question may be will you vote for a low life parasite.


No need to make excuses when there's nothing to excuse.

I suggest you read the U.S. Tax Laws, called 'IRS Regulations' ..... like it was said before, Americans are acutely aware of their Tax Laws, & if his accountants followed some of those simple guidelines, & he had no "Federal Income" Tax liabilities for years, so be it. The Americans will nod & agree.....only the O.W.S. crowd (Marlushka & frens) will spit bullets in their class envy/warfare tirades.

Trump has paid, as was also posted earlier, he's paid plenty of State & Local taxes, Tax Systems with very little, if any, deductions available like the Federal System does, & so has his many thousands of employees & other bottom feeders (not meant in a derogatory way) the progressive left seem to forget he is responsible for in giving them an income to pay taxes from.......something called jobs. Trump employs thousands upon thousands in his many successful enterprises (directly or indirectly).

This tax thing is not going to bother those that will be voting for him, & probably more than 50% of those that won't.......Americans......Americans who are educated in their own system, & understand what deductions against income are all about.......99% of all Americans that actually pay Federal Taxes are in the know, the rest probably are dumb as sh!t, & pay many taxes they could probably avoid through legitimate deductions.

Maybe some Australians here can't comprehend these higher forms of tax information as I do, not because they are ignorant, far from it, but because we don't have a system that permits writing off losses to the extent as the US Tax Law does, so have never had any need or experience in the related issue, or use thereof. ;)



Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 9th, 2016 at 11:01am
the bottom is falling out for Trump:  HRC now has a 81.2% chance of winning.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Dnarever on Oct 9th, 2016 at 2:01pm

Panther wrote on Oct 8th, 2016 at 9:08am:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 8th, 2016 at 7:45am:

Panther wrote on Oct 3rd, 2016 at 11:05pm:

AiA wrote on Oct 3rd, 2016 at 10:35pm:
As of 7 minutes ago, Nate Silver gave Hillary a 67.7% chance of winning.

Will the information coming out about Trump being a major tax cheat affect the polling this week?

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo


Tax cheat?

He would be a tax cheat only if he broke the law.

From what I read it seems he used the tax laws to his advantage.....as is permitted within the law.....therefore he isn't a tax cheat, if anything it proves he's smart (or his accountants are smart, & he just knows how to hire the best accountants who are fluent in tax law....now that's smart). ;)


Any multi-millionaire who pays no tax for 2 decades is an oxygen thief. Make as many excuses as you like.

At the end of the day he wants to be president of a country he contributes nothing to.

It isn't a question of legality - The question may be will you vote for a low life parasite.


No need to make excuses when there's nothing to excuse.

I suggest you read the U.S. Tax Laws, called 'IRS Regulations' ..... like it was said before, Americans are acutely aware of their Tax Laws, & if his accountants followed some of those simple guidelines, & he had no "Federal Income" Tax liabilities for years, so be it. The Americans will nod & agree.....only the O.W.S. crowd (Marlushka & frens) will spit bullets in their class envy/warfare tirades.

Trump has paid, as was also posted earlier, he's paid plenty of State & Local taxes, Tax Systems with very little, if any, deductions available like the Federal System does, & so has his many thousands of employees & other bottom feeders (not meant in a derogatory way) the progressive left seem to forget he is responsible for in giving them an income to pay taxes from.......something called jobs. Trump employs thousands upon thousands in his many successful enterprises (directly or indirectly).

This tax thing is not going to bother those that will be voting for him, & probably more than 50% of those that won't.......Americans......Americans who are educated in their own system, & understand what deductions against income are all about.......99% of all Americans that actually pay Federal Taxes are in the know, the rest probably are dumb as sh!t, & pay many taxes they could probably avoid through legitimate deductions.

Maybe some Australians here can't comprehend these higher forms of tax information as I do, not because they are ignorant, far from it, but because we don't have a system that permits writing off losses to the extent as the US Tax Law does, so have never had any need or experience in the related issue, or use thereof. ;)



All you have repeatedly said is that it is perfectly legal for rich people to pay no tax, nobody has questioned that. Just that people may not want a President who refuses to pay any tax.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Dnarever on Oct 9th, 2016 at 2:04pm
The Land of the free has just had its first Black president who has done a wonderful job, like all of them it could have been more but the odds are always against that happening.

This election will also produce a first that the US may or may not be ready for.

Will we get the First female President ?

Or

Will we get the first Orange President ?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Oct 9th, 2016 at 4:59pm

Dnarever wrote on Oct 9th, 2016 at 2:01pm:

Panther wrote on Oct 8th, 2016 at 9:08am:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 8th, 2016 at 7:45am:

Panther wrote on Oct 3rd, 2016 at 11:05pm:

AiA wrote on Oct 3rd, 2016 at 10:35pm:
As of 7 minutes ago, Nate Silver gave Hillary a 67.7% chance of winning.

Will the information coming out about Trump being a major tax cheat affect the polling this week?

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo


Tax cheat?

He would be a tax cheat only if he broke the law.

From what I read it seems he used the tax laws to his advantage.....as is permitted within the law.....therefore he isn't a tax cheat, if anything it proves he's smart (or his accountants are smart, & he just knows how to hire the best accountants who are fluent in tax law....now that's smart). ;)


Any multi-millionaire who pays no tax for 2 decades is an oxygen thief. Make as many excuses as you like.

At the end of the day he wants to be president of a country he contributes nothing to.

It isn't a question of legality - The question may be will you vote for a low life parasite.


No need to make excuses when there's nothing to excuse.

I suggest you read the U.S. Tax Laws, called 'IRS Regulations' ..... like it was said before, Americans are acutely aware of their Tax Laws, & if his accountants followed some of those simple guidelines, & he had no "Federal Income" Tax liabilities for years, so be it. The Americans will nod & agree.....only the O.W.S. crowd (Marlushka & frens) will spit bullets in their class envy/warfare tirades.

Trump has paid, as was also posted earlier, he's paid plenty of State & Local taxes, Tax Systems with very little, if any, deductions available like the Federal System does, & so has his many thousands of employees & other bottom feeders (not meant in a derogatory way) the progressive left seem to forget he is responsible for in giving them an income to pay taxes from.......something called jobs. Trump employs thousands upon thousands in his many successful enterprises (directly or indirectly).

This tax thing is not going to bother those that will be voting for him, & probably more than 50% of those that won't.......Americans......Americans who are educated in their own system, & understand what deductions against income are all about.......99% of all Americans that actually pay Federal Taxes are in the know, the rest probably are dumb as sh!t, & pay many taxes they could probably avoid through legitimate deductions.

Maybe some Australians here can't comprehend these higher forms of tax information as I do, not because they are ignorant, far from it, but because we don't have a system that permits writing off losses to the extent as the US Tax Law does, so have never had any need or experience in the related issue, or use thereof. ;)



All you have repeatedly said is that it is perfectly legal for rich people to pay no tax, nobody has questioned that. Just that people may not want a President who refuses to pay any tax.


Fair enough, that's your point of view.....And you are perfectly within your rights to cling to it, but unlike here in Australia, the American Electorate, those who actually vote, they aren't as class envious as you may think, & this Federal Income Tax matter won't be the deal breaker at the ballot box.....

Now, that said, if it was proven that Trump actually broke the rules in doing what he needed to do to avoid paying his taxes, then he'd be "deader than Kelsey's Nuts", the American Electorate wouldn't never accept that, & I would then fully agree with you. 



Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by gandalf on Oct 9th, 2016 at 5:39pm

Dnarever wrote on Oct 9th, 2016 at 2:04pm:
The Land of the free has just had its first Black president who has done a wonderful job, like all of them it could have been more but the odds are always against that happening.


As often happens in the American system, the voters opted for a democrat President and a repug congress. Traditionally this has been an opportunity for constructive negotiations and compromise to meet the needs of each sides opposing agenda. However in this case, and most analysts have noted this, the repug dominated congress sought to do nothing but obstruct and thwart the President's agenda. That was their intent from the start.

Its a miracle and a testament to Obama's administration that he was able to get anything done at all.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Oct 9th, 2016 at 9:06pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 9th, 2016 at 5:39pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 9th, 2016 at 2:04pm:
The Land of the free has just had its first Black president who has done a wonderful job, like all of them it could have been more but the odds are always against that happening.


As often happens in the American system, the voters opted for a democrat President and a repug congress. Traditionally this has been an opportunity for constructive negotiations and compromise to meet the needs of each sides opposing agenda. However in this case, and most analysts have noted this, the repug dominated congress sought to do nothing but obstruct and thwart the President's agenda. That was their intent from the start.

Its a miracle and a testament to Obama's administration that he was able to get anything done at all.


Obama's democrats had a majority of both the House of Representatives & the Senate for most of his first term if memory serves me well, which over the course of modern American history wasn't so bad in comparison with previous Presidents (see below).

A key to his Presidential success would have been if Obama, rather than being the divisive President he has been, if he were a unifying President, as he promised the American people he would be prior to both of his elections.

Ronald Reagan had it much, much worse than Obama

Reagan had both Houses of Congress either politically opposed or divided for 8 years out of 8, yet he was able to effectively work with Congress because he was known as the "Great Communicator" ..... he was able to unite opposing sides to get things accomplished......something Obama didn't have a clue on, or flatly refused to do. Obama was more concerned about his golf handicap than National Security, & the U.S. Economy.  ::)   





Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 11th, 2016 at 12:04am
Too early to see if the 2nd debate has an effect on polls but HRC stands at an 82.3% chance of winning.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Sure, Trump came out swinging hard but did it actually help him? From what I have been reading the answer is "NO."

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 11th, 2016 at 10:21pm
45 minutes ago genius statistician Nate Silver gave HRC an 82.9% chance of winning.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo


Is the campaign over?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 11th, 2016 at 10:59pm

AiA wrote on Oct 11th, 2016 at 10:21pm:
45 minutes ago genius statistician Nate Silver gave HRC an 82.9% chance of winning.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo


Is the campaign over?


Not yet, but at the end of the day we're all winners.

Yes, leftards, the winner here is democracy.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 12th, 2016 at 12:07am

AiA wrote on Oct 11th, 2016 at 10:21pm:
45 minutes ago genius statistician Nate Silver gave HRC an 82.9% chance of winning.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo


Is the campaign over?


That figure is incorrect.

She has 100% chance of winning.

If any of you gutless little rightard pussies think I'm wrong (come on, I've never been wrong before), why not make a little bet with me then?

Any takers, pussies?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 12th, 2016 at 12:49am

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 12th, 2016 at 12:07am:

AiA wrote on Oct 11th, 2016 at 10:21pm:
45 minutes ago genius statistician Nate Silver gave HRC an 82.9% chance of winning.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo


Is the campaign over?


That figure is incorrect.

She has 100% chance of winning.

If any of you gutless little rightard pussies think I'm wrong (come on, I've never been wrong before), why not make a little bet with me then?

Any takers, pussies?


while I would hate to see Trump win, HRC only has a 100% chance of winning until the election is officially over. Donald will be a sore loser. He will challenge the results. He will probably even incite violence over his loss.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 12th, 2016 at 10:20am
HRC has an 83.5% chance of winning. It would take divine intervention for Trump to win ...


http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 12th, 2016 at 10:31am

AiA wrote on Oct 12th, 2016 at 12:49am:
Donald will be a sore loser. He will challenge the results. He will probably even incite violence over his loss.


Yep.

Exactly what I've been saying.

Violence? - for sure.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 12th, 2016 at 11:10am

AiA wrote on Oct 12th, 2016 at 12:49am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 12th, 2016 at 12:07am:

AiA wrote on Oct 11th, 2016 at 10:21pm:
45 minutes ago genius statistician Nate Silver gave HRC an 82.9% chance of winning.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo


Is the campaign over?


That figure is incorrect.

She has 100% chance of winning.

If any of you gutless little rightard pussies think I'm wrong (come on, I've never been wrong before), why not make a little bet with me then?

Any takers, pussies?


while I would hate to see Trump win, HRC only has a 100% chance of winning until the election is officially over. Donald will be a sore loser. He will challenge the results. He will probably even incite violence over his loss.


Exactly. We'd better vote for him.

Or else.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 12th, 2016 at 11:19am

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 12th, 2016 at 10:31am:

AiA wrote on Oct 12th, 2016 at 12:49am:
Donald will be a sore loser. He will challenge the results. He will probably even incite violence over his loss.


Yep.

Exactly what I've been saying.

Violence? - for sure.


Al Gore could have contested the 2000 election results - and possibly been right. But he didn't. Trump will probably lose by a wide margin, will stir things up further by saying "the system is rigged" and Trump TV will have a ready-made audience.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 12th, 2016 at 11:25am

AiA wrote on Oct 12th, 2016 at 11:19am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 12th, 2016 at 10:31am:

AiA wrote on Oct 12th, 2016 at 12:49am:
Donald will be a sore loser. He will challenge the results. He will probably even incite violence over his loss.


Yep.

Exactly what I've been saying.

Violence? - for sure.


Trump will probably lose by a wide margin, will stir things up further by saying "the system is rigged" and Trump TV will have a ready-made audience.


Agreed, 100%.

Hillary will have a comfortable win, and he'll have a little huuuge tanty.

After he loses, I fully expect him to announce to the world that he has instructed his lawyers to work around the clock in order to prove that the election was rigged.

I bet his legal team are all out shopping for new houses as we speak type.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 13th, 2016 at 8:49am
HRC has an 86.5% of winning. http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Hello TrumpTV! Will Alex Jones by Trump's sidekick?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 13th, 2016 at 10:42pm
HRC's chance of winning according to genius statistician keeps rising ever so slightly:  86.9%

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by mortdooley on Oct 13th, 2016 at 11:15pm

AiA wrote on Oct 13th, 2016 at 10:42pm:
HRC's chance of winning according to genius statistician keeps rising ever so slightly:  86.9%

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo



That will be great, Hillary will get us in a war with Russia over Syria. Putin is already getting his people ready to survive our attacks. That will bring about the dreams of George Soros and George H W Bush for a New World Order.

By Greg Hunter’s USAWatchdog.com

The U.S. and Russia are a lot closer to war in Syria than the mainstream media (MSM) would like you to think. One top U.S general said that war would be “extremely lethal and fast” and he said it was “almost guaranteed.”  Russia threatened to “shoot down U.S. aircraft over Syria.  Meanwhile, Secretary of State John Kerry has broken off all diplomatic relations with Russia in Syria.

http://usawatchdog.com/weekly-news-wrap-up-10-7-16-greg-hunter/

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 13th, 2016 at 11:34pm

Mortdooley wrote on Oct 13th, 2016 at 11:15pm:

AiA wrote on Oct 13th, 2016 at 10:42pm:
HRC's chance of winning according to genius statistician keeps rising ever so slightly:  86.9%

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo



That will be great, Hillary will get us in a war with Russia over Syria. Putin is already getting his people ready to survive our attacks. That will bring about the dreams of George Soros and George H W Bush for a New World Order.

By Greg Hunter’s USAWatchdog.com

The U.S. and Russia are a lot closer to war in Syria than the mainstream media (MSM) would like you to think. One top U.S general said that war would be “extremely lethal and fast” and he said it was “almost guaranteed.”  Russia threatened to “shoot down U.S. aircraft over Syria.  Meanwhile, Secretary of State John Kerry has broken off all diplomatic relations with Russia in Syria.

http://usawatchdog.com/weekly-news-wrap-up-10-7-16-greg-hunter/


people who claim to know what will happen in the future are either unaware, deluded or liars.



Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Richdude on Oct 13th, 2016 at 11:42pm

Mortdooley wrote on Oct 13th, 2016 at 11:15pm:

AiA wrote on Oct 13th, 2016 at 10:42pm:
HRC's chance of winning according to genius statistician keeps rising ever so slightly:  86.9%

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo



That will be great, Hillary will get us in a war with Russia over Syria. Putin is already getting his people ready to survive our attacks. That will bring about the dreams of George Soros and George H W Bush for a New World Order.

By Greg Hunter’s USAWatchdog.com

The U.S. and Russia are a lot closer to war in Syria than the mainstream media (MSM) would like you to think. One top U.S general said that war would be “extremely lethal and fast” and he said it was “almost guaranteed.”  Russia threatened to “shoot down U.S. aircraft over Syria.  Meanwhile, Secretary of State John Kerry has broken off all diplomatic relations with Russia in Syria.

http://usawatchdog.com/weekly-news-wrap-up-10-7-16-greg-hunter/


Yes. MSM is not mentioning anything about whats really going on in Syria. Just sterilized sound bites. Russia is a formidable enemy - not to be trifled with.

The American liberal MSM is just a bad joke - so anti Trump. The only support he gets is from Julian Assange, Lou Dobbs and Hannity. In fact Assange is doing what the MSM supposed to be doing - informing the public with the truth. Many commentators like for example Anderson Cooper are CIA.
CNN and MNSBC have invested heavily in the Clinton Foundation - just propaganda merchants posing as news networks. 

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 14th, 2016 at 12:04am
Anderson Cooper is CIA?  ;D

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by mortdooley on Oct 14th, 2016 at 12:10am

AiA wrote on Oct 13th, 2016 at 11:34pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Oct 13th, 2016 at 11:15pm:

AiA wrote on Oct 13th, 2016 at 10:42pm:
HRC's chance of winning according to genius statistician keeps rising ever so slightly:  86.9%

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo



That will be great, Hillary will get us in a war with Russia over Syria. Putin is already getting his people ready to survive our attacks. That will bring about the dreams of George Soros and George H W Bush for a New World Order.

By Greg Hunter’s USAWatchdog.com

The U.S. and Russia are a lot closer to war in Syria than the mainstream media (MSM) would like you to think. One top U.S general said that war would be “extremely lethal and fast” and he said it was “almost guaranteed.”  Russia threatened to “shoot down U.S. aircraft over Syria.  Meanwhile, Secretary of State John Kerry has broken off all diplomatic relations with Russia in Syria.

http://usawatchdog.com/weekly-news-wrap-up-10-7-16-greg-hunter/


people who claim to know what will happen in the future are either unaware, deluded or liars.



How much food do you have in your home genius?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 14th, 2016 at 12:17am

Mortdooley wrote on Oct 14th, 2016 at 12:10am:

AiA wrote on Oct 13th, 2016 at 11:34pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Oct 13th, 2016 at 11:15pm:

AiA wrote on Oct 13th, 2016 at 10:42pm:
HRC's chance of winning according to genius statistician keeps rising ever so slightly:  86.9%

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo



That will be great, Hillary will get us in a war with Russia over Syria. Putin is already getting his people ready to survive our attacks. That will bring about the dreams of George Soros and George H W Bush for a New World Order.

By Greg Hunter’s USAWatchdog.com

The U.S. and Russia are a lot closer to war in Syria than the mainstream media (MSM) would like you to think. One top U.S general said that war would be “extremely lethal and fast” and he said it was “almost guaranteed.”  Russia threatened to “shoot down U.S. aircraft over Syria.  Meanwhile, Secretary of State John Kerry has broken off all diplomatic relations with Russia in Syria.

http://usawatchdog.com/weekly-news-wrap-up-10-7-16-greg-hunter/


people who claim to know what will happen in the future are either unaware, deluded or liars.



How much food do you have in your home genius?


you can foretell the future, can you, Mortie?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by mortdooley on Oct 14th, 2016 at 12:33am
I've read history and the Hillary path will be a disaster.

Another plus of a Trump victory is people like you will lose your minds.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Marla on Oct 14th, 2016 at 1:38am
As polls show that Donald Trump would overwhelmingly win if only men were allowed to vote, the GOP nominee's supporters have spawned a new Twitter hashtag: #repealthe19th.

That’s a reference to the 19th Amendment, which gave women the right to vote.

The Twitter commentary began after Nate Silver of FiveThirtyEight published an article Tuesday looking at men’s and women’s voting patterns.







Maine only has 4 electoral votes? No wonder that state sucks.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 14th, 2016 at 1:41am

Mortdooley wrote on Oct 14th, 2016 at 12:33am:
I've read history and the Hillary path will be a disaster.

Another plus of a Trump victory is people like you will lose your minds.


Trump will probably lose and if he does he will probably come out ahead:  by all accounts, TrumpTV is in the works and media personalities like Alex Jones, Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter will have a place to call home - and a ready-made audience, an audience made up of people like you, Mortie.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 14th, 2016 at 1:43am

Marla wrote on Oct 14th, 2016 at 1:38am:
As polls show that Donald Trump would overwhelmingly win if only men were allowed to vote, the GOP nominee's supporters have spawned a new Twitter hashtag: #repealthe19th.

That’s a reference to the 19th Amendment, which gave women the right to vote.

The Twitter commentary began after Nate Silver of FiveThirtyEight published an article Tuesday looking at men’s and women’s voting patterns.







Maine only has 4 electoral votes? No wonder that state sucks.


The Founding Fathers must have had a reason to limit voting to white, male property-owners of a certain age :)

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by mortdooley on Oct 14th, 2016 at 1:55am

AiA wrote on Oct 14th, 2016 at 1:41am:

Mortdooley wrote on Oct 14th, 2016 at 12:33am:
I've read history and the Hillary path will be a disaster.

Another plus of a Trump victory is people like you will lose your minds.


Trump will probably lose and if he does he will probably come out ahead:  by all accounts, TrumpTV is in the works and media personalities like Alex Jones, Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter will have a place to call home - and a ready-made audience, an audience made up of people like you, Mortie.



If Hillary wins we all lose and we now know the MSM is a really bad total joke.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by mortdooley on Oct 14th, 2016 at 2:02am

AiA wrote on Oct 14th, 2016 at 1:43am:

Marla wrote on Oct 14th, 2016 at 1:38am:
As polls show that Donald Trump would overwhelmingly win if only men were allowed to vote, the GOP nominee's supporters have spawned a new Twitter hashtag: #repealthe19th.

That’s a reference to the 19th Amendment, which gave women the right to vote.

The Twitter commentary began after Nate Silver of FiveThirtyEight published an article Tuesday looking at men’s and women’s voting patterns.







Maine only has 4 electoral votes? No wonder that state sucks.


The Founding Fathers must have had a reason to limit voting to white, male property-owners of a certain age :)


Maybe they believed that people who had shown responsible choices in life would be responsible voters! It is not right to have my vote cancelled by some welfare queen or any member of the free sh1t army.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Marla on Oct 14th, 2016 at 2:34am

Mortdooley wrote on Oct 14th, 2016 at 12:33am:
I've read history and the Hillary path will be a disaster.



There are still books in Texuus?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Marla on Oct 14th, 2016 at 2:40am

Mortdooley wrote on Oct 14th, 2016 at 2:02am:
Maybe they believed that people who had shown responsible choices in life would be responsible voters! It is not right to have my vote cancelled by some welfare queen or any member of the free sh1t army.




And yet Texunns wonder why the rest of the country hates them so much. Tell me, what do Texuuns contribute to American society beside the increasing obesity rate?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by mortdooley on Oct 14th, 2016 at 5:08am
I guess you got me there. I have noticed that the harder I worked and the smarter I saved the more white privilege I enjoyed.
There is no giant invisible hand holding you down, it's the attitude you adopted to blame others for your own shortcomings. You're the only one I have ever encountered with this massive hate for the great state of Texas and I have traveled most of the North American continent! Hate only hurts the hater so get some help before you lose it entirely.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 14th, 2016 at 9:26am

"A federal judge in New York has ordered counsel for Donald Trump and the disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein to appear in court along with the attorney for a woman referred to only as “Jane Doe” who alleges the Republican presidential nominee raped her when she was 13."

"The order raises the extraordinary prospect, were Trump to win the 8 November battle for the White House, of counsel for a US president-elect being called into federal court in proceedings relating to allegations of rape of an underage girl."

Trump lawyers given court date over lawsuit alleging rape of 13-year-old

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Marla on Oct 14th, 2016 at 9:27am

Mortdooley wrote on Oct 14th, 2016 at 5:08am:
  You're the only one I have ever encountered with this massive hate for the great state of Texas and I have traveled most of the North American continent!



You've never been outside your trailer park.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Sprintcyclist on Oct 14th, 2016 at 7:49pm


Quote:
Thursday, October 13, 2016

The full results from Sunday night’s debate are in, and Donald Trump has come from behind to take the lead over Hillary Clinton.

The latest Rasmussen Reports White House Watch national telephone and online survey shows Trump with 43% support among Likely U.S. Voters to Clinton’s 41%. Yesterday, Clinton still held a four-point 43% to 39% lead over Trump, but  that was down from five points on Tuesday and her biggest lead ever of seven points on Monday.

Rasmussen Reports updates its White House Watch survey daily Monday through Friday at 8:30 am Eastern based on a three-day rolling average of 1,500 Likely U.S. Voters. Monday’s survey was the first following the release of an 11-year-old video showing Trump discussing women in graphic sexual detail but did not include any polling results taken after the debate. All three nights of the latest survey follow Sunday’s debate.

Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson has dropped slightly to six percent (6%) support, while Green Party candidate Jill Stein holds steady at two percent (2%). Four percent (4%) still like some other candidate in the race, and another four percent (4%) remain undecided. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Eighty-four percent (84%) now say they are certain how they will vote in this year’s presidential election, and among these voters, Trump posts a 49% to 46% lead over Clinton. Among voters who say they still could change their minds between now and Election Day, it’s Clinton 40%, Trump 37%, Johnson 19% and Stein four percent (4%).

(Want a free daily e-mail update? If it's in the news, it's in our polls). Rasmussen Reports updates are also available on Twitter or Facebook.

The survey of 1,500 Likely Voters was conducted on October 10-12, 2016 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 2.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC. See methodology.

[Rasmussen Reports analysts Amy Holmes  and Fran Coombs are available for interested media. Please call 73 2-776-9777 ext. 205 for interviews.]

Most Republican voters still think top GOP leaders are hurting the party with their continuing criticism of Trump and are only slightly more convinced that those leaders want Trump to be president.

Trump has 75% support among Republicans, nearly identical to Clinton’s 76% backing among Democrats. He has 15% of the Democratic vote; she picks up 13% GOP support. Trump holds a double-digit advantage among voters not affiliated with either major political party.

Johnson gets 13% of the unaffiliated vote, but like Stein is in low single digits among Democrats and Republicans.

Clinton continues to lead among women, while Trump has regained his advantage among men. Those under 40 still prefer the Democrat but also remain the most undecided. Older voters favor Trump. The older the voter, the more likely he or she is to be certain of their vote.

Trump remains ahead among whites and has a slight lead among other minority voters. He appears to be making a dent in the black vote, but blacks still overwhelmingly favor Clinton.

Ninety  (90%) of voters who Strongly Approve of the job President Obama is doing choose Clinton. Among voters who Strongly Disapprove of the president’s job performance, 89% prefer Trump.

Hillary Clinton jumped on the release last week of an 11-year-old video in which Trump makes graphic sexual comments to say it shows her Republican rival's demeaning attitude toward women. But Trump countered that Clinton was an enabler who allowed her husband, former President Bill Clinton, to sexually assault women for years. We’ll tell you what voters think at 10:30 a.m. Eastern today.

Nearly two-out-of-three voters believe the economy is unfair to the middle class.

Voters are even more likely than they’ve been in the past to say they’ll wait until Election Day to cast their vote.

Only 24%, however, say they’ve ever changed the way they were going to vote after watching the debates between presidential candidates. 


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch_oct13

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by mortdooley on Oct 14th, 2016 at 8:46pm

Marla wrote on Oct 14th, 2016 at 9:27am:

Mortdooley wrote on Oct 14th, 2016 at 5:08am:
  You're the only one I have ever encountered with this massive hate for the great state of Texas and I have traveled most of the North American continent!



You've never been outside your trailer park.



The voices in your head are getting louder, aren't they?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 14th, 2016 at 11:58pm
HRC still surging with an 84.4% chance of winning.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Marla on Oct 15th, 2016 at 1:14am

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Marla on Oct 15th, 2016 at 1:15am

Mortdooley wrote on Oct 14th, 2016 at 8:46pm:
The voices in your head are getting louder, aren't they?



Whatever you want to believe, Texuun.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Marla on Oct 15th, 2016 at 1:20am
Look how "rigged" the system is:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

Poor, pathetic, cry baby Trump

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Marla on Oct 15th, 2016 at 8:53am
Here's a new one

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 15th, 2016 at 11:40pm
HRC 85.8% chance of winning.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

I suspect Trump will have a smallish comeback between now and Election Day.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 16th, 2016 at 1:48am

Marla wrote on Oct 15th, 2016 at 1:14am:


What a pathetic piece of poo this man pig is.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Fireball on Oct 16th, 2016 at 8:30am

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 16th, 2016 at 1:48am:

Marla wrote on Oct 15th, 2016 at 1:14am:


What a pathetic piece of poo this man pig is.


10 minutes to 2 O'Clock in the morning and you're still here spouting cr@p, I'd say that statement applies to you haemorrhoid more than Trump.  ;D ;D

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 16th, 2016 at 12:41pm
I think he's monitoring your bedtime, Greggery.

Don't tell Mum, Matty. We'll let you stay up tonight if you want.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 16th, 2016 at 12:45pm

Fuzzball wrote on Oct 16th, 2016 at 8:30am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 16th, 2016 at 1:48am:

Marla wrote on Oct 15th, 2016 at 1:14am:


What a pathetic piece of poo this man pig is.


10 minutes to 2 O'Clock in the morning and you're still here spouting cr@p, I'd say that statement applies to you haemorrhoid more than Trump.  ;D ;D


Not sure who taught you to tell the time, old boy.

Your own post clearly shows that it was 11:48pm.

"greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 11:48pm:"

I never miss my midnight curfew.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Oct 16th, 2016 at 8:43pm
Trump will win it.

Wikileaks–Hillary to Goldman Sachs: Americans Who Want to Limit Immigration Are ‘Fundamentally UnAmerican’

Hillary is the American suicide.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by cods on Oct 16th, 2016 at 9:05pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 16th, 2016 at 12:45pm:

Fuzzball wrote on Oct 16th, 2016 at 8:30am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 16th, 2016 at 1:48am:

Marla wrote on Oct 15th, 2016 at 1:14am:


What a pathetic piece of poo this man pig is.


10 minutes to 2 O'Clock in the morning and you're still here spouting cr@p, I'd say that statement applies to you haemorrhoid more than Trump.  ;D ;D


Not sure who taught you to tell the time, old boy.

Your own post clearly shows that it was 11:48pm.

"greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 11:48pm:"

I never miss my midnight curfew.



summer time gweggy summer time....



are the Americans seriously going to vote for either of these ...........I want to call them criminals..

they both are so close to the line.....

Trump is a perv who cant keep his hands to himself.. and now Hillary is a druggie...OMG.....

the rest of the world must be rubbing their hands with glee...


America ... what are you thinking?..

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 16th, 2016 at 10:40pm
HRC has dipped a bit but still commanding at 85.1% chance of winning.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by mortdooley on Oct 17th, 2016 at 10:07pm

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 18th, 2016 at 12:14am
HRC has an 87.3% chance of winning as of one hour ago:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 18th, 2016 at 6:16am
47 minutes ago Nate Silver gave HRC an 88.4% chance of winning.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 18th, 2016 at 11:01pm
11 minutes ago Nate Silver gave HRC an 87.9% chance of winning.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Clinton has a big lead which makes forecasting more accurate now.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Sprintcyclist on Oct 18th, 2016 at 11:21pm

Frank wrote on Oct 16th, 2016 at 8:43pm:
Trump will win it.

Wikileaks–Hillary to Goldman Sachs: Americans Who Want to Limit Immigration Are ‘Fundamentally UnAmerican’

Hillary is the American suicide.


yes, she is a disaster

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 18th, 2016 at 11:54pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 18th, 2016 at 11:21pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 16th, 2016 at 8:43pm:
Trump will win it.

Wikileaks–Hillary to Goldman Sachs: Americans Who Want to Limit Immigration Are ‘Fundamentally UnAmerican’

Hillary is the American suicide.


yes, she is a disaster



Is there something you don't understand about numbers? HRC is currently leading by a large margin.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 19th, 2016 at 12:12am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 18th, 2016 at 11:21pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 16th, 2016 at 8:43pm:
Trump will win it.

Wikileaks–Hillary to Goldman Sachs: Americans Who Want to Limit Immigration Are ‘Fundamentally UnAmerican’

Hillary is the American suicide.


yes, she is a disaster


What shall we do with her, Sprint?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 19th, 2016 at 12:17am

AiA wrote on Oct 18th, 2016 at 11:54pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 18th, 2016 at 11:21pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 16th, 2016 at 8:43pm:
Trump will win it.

Wikileaks–Hillary to Goldman Sachs: Americans Who Want to Limit Immigration Are ‘Fundamentally UnAmerican’

Hillary is the American suicide.


yes, she is a disaster



Is there something you don't understand about numbers? HRC is currently leading by a large margin.


Not for long, A. As soon as the Amerikan people finally wake up and understand how great Trump's policies are, the numbers will change for sure, you'll see.

If Sprint can just get enough of these articles posted before erection day, Trump's in with a good chance.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 19th, 2016 at 12:19am

Karnal wrote on Oct 19th, 2016 at 12:17am:

AiA wrote on Oct 18th, 2016 at 11:54pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 18th, 2016 at 11:21pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 16th, 2016 at 8:43pm:
Trump will win it.

Wikileaks–Hillary to Goldman Sachs: Americans Who Want to Limit Immigration Are ‘Fundamentally UnAmerican’

Hillary is the American suicide.


yes, she is a disaster



Is there something you don't understand about numbers? HRC is currently leading by a large margin.


Not for long, A. As soon as the Amerikan people finally wake up and understand how great Trump's policies are, the numbers will change for sure, you'll see.

If Sprint can just get enough of these articles posted before erection day, Trump's in with a good chance.


Sprint can't get an erection.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 19th, 2016 at 9:14pm
Nate Silver will be giving his first update for the day in North America soon. 9 hours ago HRC was at 87.4% chance of winning.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 19th, 2016 at 10:51pm
HRC has an 87.2% chance of winning as of right now:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Unforgiven on Oct 19th, 2016 at 10:57pm
Nobody ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the American public.

Donald Trump is in contention until the last vote is counted.

The actual quote:

"No one in this world, so far as I know — and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me — has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.” H L Mencken.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 19th, 2016 at 11:02pm

Unforgiven wrote on Oct 19th, 2016 at 10:57pm:
Donald Trump is in contention until the last vote is counted.


Yes, that is why I prefer Nate Silver's statistics rather than the simplistic, "Trump will win" or "Hillary will win" nonsense. Nobody really knows.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by mortdooley on Oct 20th, 2016 at 12:21am



Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Emma Peel on Oct 20th, 2016 at 1:17am
This is no longer a joke.

  This US Election I mean.

The Creep is speaking like your absolute  'classic' fascist ..
In fact it is far more serious than I originally thought.

  The Creep's speeches and crowd-stirring rhetoric represents a real danger to the stability of the US. Even though he won't win, he has created 'the perfect storm', and losing, he is willing to try and take down the whole structure of US society. By whipping up hysteria about conspiracy, and a rigged election, he is feeding the flame in a very unhealthy aspect of the psyche of the US population.

He is saying that he will devastate the framework of US culture, and he has basically demanded Armageddon ,.. should he lose.


He talked about THIS being the last Election. !!

This is incredibly BAD.
He HATES all people, have NO DOUBT about that.

He IS a genuine PSYCHOPATH.. he doesn't really care about what he is doing to his country... he is reaching the pinnacle of POWER, and control over those around him.  THAT is ALL he cares about, and he will say anything to gain that glorious reward. Nothing else matters.

He has successfully polarised various 'groups' who are part of the US 'family' into believing him, and , no matter who wins the Election,  THE CREEP will have succeeded, anyway he can.

ANYTHING may happen ...........but one thing is certain, the United States of America will  NEVER be the same again.



Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 20th, 2016 at 3:03am
87.6% chance of winning for HRC. The only good news I hear for Trump comes from his supporters. He has to win the debate tonight ... bigly.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Marla on Oct 20th, 2016 at 7:27am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 18th, 2016 at 11:21pm:
Yes, she is a disaster


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Agnes on Oct 20th, 2016 at 10:16am
It would interesting to see what Trump could do- but is it worth the risk?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 20th, 2016 at 7:54pm
8 hours ago HRC was coming in strong with an 87.3% chance of winning.  The next week should be interesting.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 21st, 2016 at 12:23am
Elections are supposed to get closer as Election Day nears, not further apart, which is what is happening now.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Emma Peel on Oct 21st, 2016 at 12:29am
The future seems to be set. Clinton will win, and the Creep will spit the dummy. He virtually conceded defeat in the Debate, but also said he wouldn't agree to accept the peoples vote. Kept on spinning his BS .. he is a zero IMO.

He is trying to remain in the public eye by being the worst candidate in US political history.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by bogarde73 on Oct 21st, 2016 at 6:51am
I maintain what I said at the start of the year - Donald Trump will be the next president.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by John Smith on Oct 21st, 2016 at 7:21am

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 21st, 2016 at 6:51am:
I maintain what I said at the start of the year - Donald Trump will be the next president.



why are you so determined to shoot down what little credibility you may have left?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by gandalf on Oct 21st, 2016 at 10:09am

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 21st, 2016 at 6:51am:
I maintain what I said at the start of the year - Donald Trump will be the next president.


Good for you boges. I'm glad you haven't resorted to the 'of course he'll lose cause its a conspiracyyyyy' that Trump himself seems to be angling towards.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by gandalf on Oct 21st, 2016 at 10:12am

John Smith wrote on Oct 21st, 2016 at 7:21am:

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 21st, 2016 at 6:51am:
I maintain what I said at the start of the year - Donald Trump will be the next president.



why are you so determined to shoot down what little credibility you may have left?


maybe "next president" is bogarde code for 'president-in-waiting' before the illigitimate Hillary is removed.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by bogarde73 on Oct 21st, 2016 at 11:43am

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 21st, 2016 at 10:09am:

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 21st, 2016 at 6:51am:
I maintain what I said at the start of the year - Donald Trump will be the next president.


Good for you boges. I'm glad you haven't resorted to the 'of course he'll lose cause its a conspiracyyyyy' that Trump himself seems to be angling towards.


I've said for a while it would be close, maybe like 2000. But it could be a Reagan-Carter.

And who was the dolt who questioned my credibility? My credibility on this, as on everything, is beyond beautiful.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by gandalf on Oct 21st, 2016 at 11:47am

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 21st, 2016 at 11:43am:
My credibility on this, as on everything, is beyond beautiful.


Somehow I don't think you will be able to continue this claim on November 9 and thereafter  ;)

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 21st, 2016 at 11:49am

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 21st, 2016 at 6:51am:
I maintain what I said at the start of the year - Donald Trump will be the next president.


Tell your dentist to stop using gas, Bogie.

It's affecting your brain.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by mothra on Oct 21st, 2016 at 12:39pm

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 21st, 2016 at 6:51am:
I maintain what I said at the start of the year - Donald Trump will be the next president.



Oh Bogey. I don't think even Trump believes that.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Agnes on Oct 21st, 2016 at 1:45pm
Can't win, won't win.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Baronvonrort on Oct 21st, 2016 at 2:41pm

Agnes wrote on Oct 21st, 2016 at 1:45pm:
Can't win, won't win.


They said that about Bush and he was voted in twice

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by gandalf on Oct 21st, 2016 at 3:22pm
Baron, how many republican party heavyweights publicly abandoned and attacked Bush - and even officially disendorsed him during those two election? Any?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 21st, 2016 at 7:25pm

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 21st, 2016 at 6:51am:
I maintain what I said at the start of the year - Donald Trump will be the next president.


Here we go, Greggery - Bogie's got his finger on the pulse.

Will you be taking up Greggery's challenge, Bogie?

Remember - no socks.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 21st, 2016 at 7:26pm

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 21st, 2016 at 6:51am:
I maintain what I said at the start of the year - Donald Trump will be the next president.


Here we go, Greggery - Bogie's got his finger on the pulse.

Will you be taking up Greggery's challenge, Bogie?

Remember - no socks.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 21st, 2016 at 7:27pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 21st, 2016 at 3:22pm:
Baron, how many republican party heavyweights publicly abandoned and attacked Bush - and even officially disendorsed him during those two election? Any?


Let's not give Baron any clues, G.

Baron?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 21st, 2016 at 7:29pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 21st, 2016 at 7:26pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 21st, 2016 at 6:51am:
I maintain what I said at the start of the year - Donald Trump will be the next president.


Here we go, Greggery - Bogie's got his finger on the pulse.

Will you be taking up Greggery's challenge, Bogie?

Remember - no socks.


He won't be taking me up on my challenge.

Not a single one of them has the guts.

They all know there's more chance of Pauline Hanson getting a PhD than there is of Donald - accused of raping a child - Trump becoming POTUS.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 21st, 2016 at 7:36pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 21st, 2016 at 7:29pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 21st, 2016 at 7:26pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 21st, 2016 at 6:51am:
I maintain what I said at the start of the year - Donald Trump will be the next president.


Here we go, Greggery - Bogie's got his finger on the pulse.

Will you be taking up Greggery's challenge, Bogie?

Remember - no socks.


He won't be taking me up on my challenge.

Not a single one of them has the guts.

They all know there's more chance of Pauline Hanson getting a PhD than there is of Donald - accused of raping a child - Trump becoming POTUS.


Well, you know what I think of your child rape allegation, Greggerypeckery. Trump won't make president for a host of other reasons too numerous to mention. Ee-gad, he's now getting booed at his own fundraising dinners.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Dnarever on Oct 21st, 2016 at 7:54pm

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 21st, 2016 at 6:51am:
I maintain what I said at the start of the year - Donald Trump will be the next president.



Your bowling club must be desperate.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 21st, 2016 at 8:08pm

Dnarever wrote on Oct 21st, 2016 at 7:54pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 21st, 2016 at 6:51am:
I maintain what I said at the start of the year - Donald Trump will be the next president.



Your bowling club must be desperate.


Come come, I doubt Bogie's Bavarian bowling club would elect Trump. Trump might be a good Aryan, but he goes for their wives' pussies.

Trump might be elligible to run for Grand Wizard in the KKK. David Duke seems to like him. Bogie's Nazi Party lost its steam in the early 90s. Otherwise, Trump could go for that.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Oct 22nd, 2016 at 6:26am
SUNY professor says Trump win at least 87 percent certain; other polls 'bunk'

Stony Brook, N.Y. — A SUNY professor continues to project Donald Trump as the likely winner of this year's election and he's critiquing polls that predict the opposite in a new opinion piece.

Helmut Norpoth has been predicting a Trump victory since early this year. His model currently projects a win for the Republican with a certainty of 87 to 99 percent.

Norpoth is a professor at Stony Brook University on Long Island.

That flies in the face of just about every other major election forecast out there, which mostly give an edge to Democrat Hillary Clinton, notes the Daily Mail.

Norpoth wrote in The Hill that although the race looks decided, current polling methods are "bunk."

The projections for Clinton are all based on opinion polls, which are flawed because they don't reflect actions, Norpoth wrote. They're about what voters think of Clinton or Trump, but they can't tell us exactly how voters will act on those thoughts.

"It is ingrained in all of us that voting is civic duty," he says. "So nearly all of us say, oh yes, I'll vote, and then many will not follow through."

Instead of opinion polling, Norpoth relies on statistics from candidates' performances in party primaries and patterns in the electoral cycle to forecast results. The model correctly predicted the victor in every presidential election since 1996, according to the Daily Mail.

Running the model on earlier campaigns comes up with the correct outcome for every race since 1912, except the 1960 election.

Norpoth wrote on his site that Trump's victories in early primary states are key predictors of his chances in November. The cycle also favors the GOP after two terms of a Democrat in the White House.

"So hold off on trusting poll-driven proclamations of a Clinton victory just yet," Norpoth wrote in The Hill. "Voters have a way of always getting the last word."

http://www.syracuse.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/10/helmut_norpoth_donald_trump_victory.html

More on the model:
http://primarymodel.com/2016-forecast-full/

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Dnarever on Oct 22nd, 2016 at 7:50am
Who Will Win the Presidency?

The USA will not have its first Orange President.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by gandalf on Oct 22nd, 2016 at 8:39am

Frank wrote on Oct 22nd, 2016 at 6:26am:
SUNY professor says Trump win at least 87 percent certain; other polls 'bunk'

Stony Brook, N.Y. — A SUNY professor continues to project Donald Trump as the likely winner of this year's election and he's critiquing polls that predict the opposite in a new opinion piece.

Helmut Norpoth has been predicting a Trump victory since early this year. His model currently projects a win for the Republican with a certainty of 87 to 99 percent.

Norpoth is a professor at Stony Brook University on Long Island.

That flies in the face of just about every other major election forecast out there, which mostly give an edge to Democrat Hillary Clinton, notes the Daily Mail.

Norpoth wrote in The Hill that although the race looks decided, current polling methods are "bunk."

The projections for Clinton are all based on opinion polls, which are flawed because they don't reflect actions, Norpoth wrote. They're about what voters think of Clinton or Trump, but they can't tell us exactly how voters will act on those thoughts.

"It is ingrained in all of us that voting is civic duty," he says. "So nearly all of us say, oh yes, I'll vote, and then many will not follow through."

Instead of opinion polling, Norpoth relies on statistics from candidates' performances in party primaries and patterns in the electoral cycle to forecast results. The model correctly predicted the victor in every presidential election since 1996, according to the Daily Mail.

Running the model on earlier campaigns comes up with the correct outcome for every race since 1912, except the 1960 election.

Norpoth wrote on his site that Trump's victories in early primary states are key predictors of his chances in November. The cycle also favors the GOP after two terms of a Democrat in the White House.

"So hold off on trusting poll-driven proclamations of a Clinton victory just yet," Norpoth wrote in The Hill. "Voters have a way of always getting the last word."

http://www.syracuse.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/10/helmut_norpoth_donald_trump_victory.html

More on the model:
http://primarymodel.com/2016-forecast-full/


Pundits made the mistake of predicting a close race in 2012 - against the better wisdom of the polls. In the end, surprise surprise, the polls turned out to be correct after all.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Secret Wars on Oct 22nd, 2016 at 8:52am
Two confounding things about the American election, one as always, it depends on who has the supporters motivated enough to get out out of bed and vote, and secondly particular to this election, people in the privacy of a booth may vote different to what they say publicly, an American Brexit.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 22nd, 2016 at 8:54am

Frank wrote on Oct 22nd, 2016 at 6:26am:
SUNY professor says Trump win at least 87 percent certain; other polls 'bunk'

Stony Brook, N.Y. — A SUNY professor continues to project Donald Trump as the likely winner of this year's election and he's critiquing polls that predict the opposite in a new opinion piece.

Helmut Norpoth has been predicting a Trump victory since early this year. His model currently projects a win for the Republican with a certainty of 87 to 99 percent.

Norpoth is a professor at Stony Brook University on Long Island.

That flies in the face of just about every other major election forecast out there, which mostly give an edge to Democrat Hillary Clinton, notes the Daily Mail.

Norpoth wrote in The Hill that although the race looks decided, current polling methods are "bunk."

The projections for Clinton are all based on opinion polls, which are flawed because they don't reflect actions, Norpoth wrote. They're about what voters think of Clinton or Trump, but they can't tell us exactly how voters will act on those thoughts.

"It is ingrained in all of us that voting is civic duty," he says. "So nearly all of us say, oh yes, I'll vote, and then many will not follow through."

Instead of opinion polling, Norpoth relies on statistics from candidates' performances in party primaries and patterns in the electoral cycle to forecast results. The model correctly predicted the victor in every presidential election since 1996, according to the Daily Mail.

Running the model on earlier campaigns comes up with the correct outcome for every race since 1912, except the 1960 election.

Norpoth wrote on his site that Trump's victories in early primary states are key predictors of his chances in November. The cycle also favors the GOP after two terms of a Democrat in the White House.

"So hold off on trusting poll-driven proclamations of a Clinton victory just yet," Norpoth wrote in The Hill. "Voters have a way of always getting the last word."

http://www.syracuse.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/10/helmut_norpoth_donald_trump_victory.html

More on the model:
http://primarymodel.com/2016-forecast-full/


Uncanny. Professor Soren Sorenson from the University of Bslogney said exactly the same thing.

Not your Alma Mater by any chance, is it, Frank?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 22nd, 2016 at 9:00am

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 22nd, 2016 at 8:39am:

Frank wrote on Oct 22nd, 2016 at 6:26am:
SUNY professor says Trump win at least 87 percent certain; other polls 'bunk'

Stony Brook, N.Y. — A SUNY professor continues to project Donald Trump as the likely winner of this year's election and he's critiquing polls that predict the opposite in a new opinion piece.

Helmut Norpoth has been predicting a Trump victory since early this year. His model currently projects a win for the Republican with a certainty of 87 to 99 percent.

Norpoth is a professor at Stony Brook University on Long Island.

That flies in the face of just about every other major election forecast out there, which mostly give an edge to Democrat Hillary Clinton, notes the Daily Mail.

Norpoth wrote in The Hill that although the race looks decided, current polling methods are "bunk."

The projections for Clinton are all based on opinion polls, which are flawed because they don't reflect actions, Norpoth wrote. They're about what voters think of Clinton or Trump, but they can't tell us exactly how voters will act on those thoughts.

"It is ingrained in all of us that voting is civic duty," he says. "So nearly all of us say, oh yes, I'll vote, and then many will not follow through."

Instead of opinion polling, Norpoth relies on statistics from candidates' performances in party primaries and patterns in the electoral cycle to forecast results. The model correctly predicted the victor in every presidential election since 1996, according to the Daily Mail.

Running the model on earlier campaigns comes up with the correct outcome for every race since 1912, except the 1960 election.

Norpoth wrote on his site that Trump's victories in early primary states are key predictors of his chances in November. The cycle also favors the GOP after two terms of a Democrat in the White House.

"So hold off on trusting poll-driven proclamations of a Clinton victory just yet," Norpoth wrote in The Hill. "Voters have a way of always getting the last word."

http://www.syracuse.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/10/helmut_norpoth_donald_trump_victory.html

More on the model:
http://primarymodel.com/2016-forecast-full/


Pundits made the mistake of predicting a close race in 2012 - against the better wisdom of the polls. In the end, surprise surprise, the polls turned out to be correct after all.


Yes, but who would have voted for a Mormon? Seriously.

This time, we have a born-again Christian who writes self-help books.

There's got to be some margin of error for a candidate like that, shurely.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Oct 22nd, 2016 at 6:55pm
Hillary as prez will be the beginning of the end of the US.

She will be illegitimate from 9 November. She has been illegitimate for decades.


Hillary's [presidency will bring to the fore the deep schasm of American politics. There will be attempts to secede from the Union, there will be deep and bitter divisions.

You cannot impose all the progressive shite on an unwilling electorate - see Trump, Wilders, Le Pen, Orban, Abbott, Hanson, AfD, etc, etc.  There is no repressing of the popular will. You cannot badger people. The people are sovereign - not the Guardian, CNN, Fairfax and the rest.

A Clinton presidency will be the end of polite politics. She is no blackie nor a Muslims like O'bama. She is as privileged and implicated as it is possible to be.
She is Bill's wife who has put up with Bill only on the understanding that she, the real presidential candidate of the two, will be one day supported for the presidency.


America is digging it's grave if it elects her. She is the embodiment of all the bizarre-o contradictions of right-on America.

I think it will be an American Brexit, I still hope.



Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 22nd, 2016 at 7:01pm

Frank wrote on Oct 22nd, 2016 at 6:55pm:
Hillary as prez will be the beginning of the end of the US.

She will be illegitimate from 9 November. She has been illegitimate for decades.


Is that because the majority of people will have voted for her, Frank?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 22nd, 2016 at 7:26pm
HRC has a 6 or 7-point lead and things can go wrong — including somewhat inaccurate polling — and she can still win.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Oct 22nd, 2016 at 7:40pm

Frank wrote on Oct 22nd, 2016 at 6:55pm:
She will be illegitimate from 9 November. She has been illegitimate for decades.

What does this sh!t even mean?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 22nd, 2016 at 7:44pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 22nd, 2016 at 7:40pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 22nd, 2016 at 6:55pm:
She will be illegitimate from 9 November. She has been illegitimate for decades.

What does this sh!t even mean?


It means the old boy's not a big fan of democracy. Who knows? Maybe he'd prefer a military coup.

In the fullness of time, of course.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 22nd, 2016 at 9:23pm

AiA wrote on Oct 22nd, 2016 at 7:26pm:
HRC has a 6 or 7-point lead and things can go wrong — including somewhat inaccurate polling — and she can still win.


She will win. The question now is what Trump plans to do. I'll make a prediction - if it doesn't happen I will leave this thread.

Trump will make noises about going into the media business. Trump will announce that he never really lost the presidency, he only ever wanted a network. This was his plan all along, and he's already got past quotes to back himself up.

Trump will announce a new multi-media platform to rival Fox News - a new far-right TV/internet platform to broadcast and showcase - what else? The voice of Trump.

Trump already has Roger Ailles in his tent (after Ailles was sacked from Fox for sexual harrassment, no less). Trump also has Breitbart's CEO on staff. He even has his own televangelist - a cute Southern belle. And Trump has the loudest commentator/entertainment reviewer right in the Trump Tower penthouse - himself.

Trump is teaching all his staff how to use a video camera. It's like the birth of Hollywood all over again in Trump headquarters, everyone talking about "the talent" and "the narrative" and "the brand" (all Trump). Trump is already playing his anti-media card. He's found his place as the victim of the Establishment; the voice of Amerika; those poor, downtrodden masses yearning to breathe free.

So Trump will take to the airwaves: his new venture. But here's my prediction: it will be a masive failure if it ever gets off the ground to begin with. Here's why.

1. Trump is stingy. He bargains for everything. He never pays for meals out, and like the Queen, he almost never puts his hand in his pocket. Media platforms need content, and this requires investment. Trump thinks he can just put his name to a media brand and people will engage. Alas, not even Trump can talk 24 hours a day, and no one would want to listen anyway.

2. Roger Ailles is yesterday's man. Fox has been slipping since Bush left the White House. He's getting old, and starting up a new project like this is probably beyond him.

3. Trump has failed at everything but property development. This is the family business. The casinos, the resorts, and even the golf courses - failed. And while the Apprentice initially had great ratings, it lost traction as reality TV went out of style. Trump, of course, was finally sacked by the network for his negotiating style.

So, Trump won't invest the money, he hasn't got the right people, and his track history in business is not good. Trump's biggest drawcard (for Trump) - the Trump brand, is a kitch relic from the 80s. Trump has all the style of the Russian Mafia - the crystal chandeliers, the gold plating, the phallic fountains. The Trump brand is about aspiration to tacky displays of excessive wealth - think Hillsong's properity doctrine without God, but Trump - it is hardly the stuff of working-class Amerika. The biggest buyers of Trump's ghost-written self-help books are immigrants, fantasising about the Amerikan dream. Or in Trump's case, nightmare.

Trump's media venture is doomed to fail before it begins. This is my prediction.

If my prediction fails, I will leave this thread.

And if Trump wins the presidency, I will leave the board. 

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 9:33am

Karnal wrote on Oct 22nd, 2016 at 9:23pm:

AiA wrote on Oct 22nd, 2016 at 7:26pm:
HRC has a 6 or 7-point lead and things can go wrong — including somewhat inaccurate polling — and she can still win.


She will win. The question now is what Trump plans to do. I'll make a prediction - if it doesn't happen I will leave this thread.

Trump will make noises about going into the media business. Trump will announce that he never really lost the presidency, he only ever wanted a network. This was his plan all along, and he's already got past quotes to back himself up.

Trump will announce a new multi-media platform to rival Fox News - a new far-right TV/internet platform to broadcast and showcase - what else? The voice of Trump.

Trump already has Roger Ailles in his tent (after Ailles was sacked from Fox for sexual harrassment, no less). Trump also has Breitbart's CEO on staff. He even has his own televangelist - a cute Southern belle. And Trump has the loudest commentator/entertainment reviewer right in the Trump Tower penthouse - himself.

Trump is teaching all his staff how to use a video camera. It's like the birth of Hollywood all over again in Trump headquarters, everyone talking about "the talent" and "the narrative" and "the brand" (all Trump). Trump is already playing his anti-media card. He's found his place as the victim of the Establishment; the voice of Amerika; those poor, downtrodden masses yearning to breathe free.

So Trump will take to the airwaves: his new venture. But here's my prediction: it will be a masive failure if it ever gets off the ground to begin with. Here's why.

1. Trump is stingy. He bargains for everything. He never pays for meals out, and like the Queen, he almost never puts his hand in his pocket. Media platforms need content, and this requires investment. Trump thinks he can just put his name to a media brand and people will engage. Alas, not even Trump can talk 24 hours a day, and no one would want to listen anyway.

2. Roger Ailles is yesterday's man. Fox has been slipping since Bush left the White House. He's getting old, and starting up a new project like this is probably beyond him.

3. Trump has failed at everything but property development. This is the family business. The casinos, the resorts, and even the golf courses - failed. And while the Apprentice initially had great ratings, it lost traction as reality TV went out of style. Trump, of course, was finally sacked by the network for his negotiating style.

So, Trump won't invest the money, he hasn't got the right people, and his track history in business is not good. Trump's biggest drawcard (for Trump) - the Trump brand, is a kitch relic from the 80s. Trump has all the style of the Russian Mafia - the crystal chandeliers, the gold plating, the phallic fountains. The Trump brand is about aspiration to tacky displays of excessive wealth - think Hillsong's properity doctrine without God, but Trump - it is hardly the stuff of working-class Amerika. The biggest buyers of Trump's ghost-written self-help books are immigrants, fantasising about the Amerikan dream. Or in Trump's case, nightmare.

Trump's media venture is doomed to fail before it begins. This is my prediction.

If my prediction fails, I will leave this thread.

And if Trump wins the presidency, I will leave the board. 

Well written!

I'd add another reason for failure...

He suffers from NPD so, when it comes to commitment to a cause, he is by nature (paradoxically) chronically incapable of the sustained focus and resolve it would take to cut into and sustain an enterprise on that scale.

Sure, he fashions an image (or sincerely attempts to) of a man with the supreme confidence to 'fake it till he makes it' (even when the stakes are as ridiculously high as faking ability to be a POTUS), but, as his run for President has proved in spades, he is light years from confident... His bluster and his blatant disregard for his innate incompetence highlights in Neon that he has made the time-worn mistake of assuming his blind arrogance can masquerade as confidence and that the world is as entirely deluded as he is.

Trump would quickly become bored with the running of a media organisation within a year, particularly when it becomes clear to him that the only thing that would (need to) be flowing like a river would be the sweat it takes to pull it off... While the 'wells of Narcissistic Supply' remain as dry as a nun's... nevermind.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by John Smith on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 10:06am
I particularly liked this bit .... so true


Karnal wrote on Oct 22nd, 2016 at 9:23pm:
Trump has all the style of the Russian Mafia - the crystal chandeliers, the gold plating, the phallic fountains.



;D ;D

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 11:15am

Karnal wrote on Oct 22nd, 2016 at 7:01pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 22nd, 2016 at 6:55pm:
Hillary as prez will be the beginning of the end of the US.

She will be illegitimate from 9 November. She has been illegitimate for decades.


Is that because the majority of the {dead} people will have voted for her, Frank?


If it was good enough for Slick Willy & Barrack Hussein Obumma, it's good enough for his/their 'Krusty Ceee' Momma!    

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 11:22am
This ad is getting good airplay in the USA....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAIqFZASEeo



This video is diametrically opposed to the false narrative she's trying to sell today......her blatant lies & contradictions flow so smoothly from her mouth.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0agBtEEYTaY




Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 2:45pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 22nd, 2016 at 7:01pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 22nd, 2016 at 6:55pm:
Hillary as prez will be the beginning of the end of the US.

She will be illegitimate from 9 November. She has been illegitimate for decades.


Is that because the majority of people will have voted for her, Frank?



If voting was compulsory in the US, then whoever wins would be legit. But with 60% turnout, you have to win big to be legit. Brexit, with 48-52 % was seen as a big win with 72% turnout.

In the US, 62.3% turned up to vote in 2008 and only 57.5 in 2012.


There is no energy behind Clinton. She stands for her personal entitlement, for identity politics ("I am a woman") and is seen by all as unreliable, lying and dishonest. 

Trump brings energy and a lot of the things that will motivate apathetic voters. People see through l the negative stuff and all the attempts to tarnish him. Hillary has actually stuffed up big time while in power.  Trump is just Trump, big mouth but not in power.

I do not know which way it will go, I am not someone who is immersed in American politics or knows the soul of America. Even if she wins, the stuff he has brought to the forefront of debate is being played out elsewhere in the world, especially in Europe and to some extent in Australia.

If Trump doesn't succeed now then the European Trumps will. It might not happen this year or the next, but the era of Merkel, Clinton, O'Bama, Hollande, Soros is over.

Clinton is the reactionary in this contest, she is the one clinging to the past. It's always like this - you don't know how the future ill pan out - Trump??? unbelievable like WWI was in May 2014- but you kinda know when the past is over. Clinton is the past in every way.  Electing Clinton is like re-electing Bill, electing to go back to the 90s.

That's a pretty f***d idea, don't you think?





Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Unforgiven on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 3:20pm
Electoral map:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:22pm

Unforgiven wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 3:20pm:
Electoral map:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?



If all this shite was to be believed, Hillary is more popular that Obama, Reagen and Bill Clinton put together!!!!   It's so hugely overstated and so obviously and stinkigly a spin that only people like you would take it without blinking!!!!



Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:24pm

Frank wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:22pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 3:20pm:
Electoral map:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?



If all this shite was to be believed, Hillary is more popular that Obama, Reagen and Bill Clinton put together!!!!   It's so hugely overstated and so obviously and stinkigly a spin that only people like you would take it without blinking!!!!


Wanna make a little wager on the outcome of the election?


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Gordon on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:36pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:24pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:22pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 3:20pm:
Electoral map:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?



If all this shite was to be believed, Hillary is more popular that Obama, Reagen and Bill Clinton put together!!!!   It's so hugely overstated and so obviously and stinkigly a spin that only people like you would take it without blinking!!!!


Wanna make a little wager on the outcome of the election?


Remember your response to me when I offered you a wager on something?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:38pm

Gordon wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:24pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:22pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 3:20pm:
Electoral map:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?



If all this shite was to be believed, Hillary is more popular that Obama, Reagen and Bill Clinton put together!!!!   It's so hugely overstated and so obviously and stinkigly a spin that only people like you would take it without blinking!!!!


Wanna make a little wager on the outcome of the election?


Remember your response to me when I offered you a wager on something?


Nope.

Refresh my memory, old boy.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Gordon on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:45pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:38pm:

Gordon wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:24pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:22pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 3:20pm:
Electoral map:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?



If all this shite was to be believed, Hillary is more popular that Obama, Reagen and Bill Clinton put together!!!!   It's so hugely overstated and so obviously and stinkigly a spin that only people like you would take it without blinking!!!!


Wanna make a little wager on the outcome of the election?


Remember your response to me when I offered you a wager on something?


Nope.

Refresh my memory, old boy.


That you never bet, or something to that effect.
I suspect I'm younger than you,  old boy :)

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:47pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:24pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:22pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 3:20pm:
Electoral map:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?



If all this shite was to be believed, Hillary is more popular that Obama, Reagen and Bill Clinton put together!!!!   It's so hugely overstated and so obviously and stinkigly a spin that only people like you would take it without blinking!!!!


Wanna make a little wager on the outcome of the election?



Yeah, why not.

I bet you are a going to be an insufferable fracking pain in the arse either way.  $50.






Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:51pm

Frank wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:24pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:22pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 3:20pm:
Electoral map:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?



If all this shite was to be believed, Hillary is more popular that Obama, Reagen and Bill Clinton put together!!!!   It's so hugely overstated and so obviously and stinkigly a spin that only people like you would take it without blinking!!!!


Wanna make a little wager on the outcome of the election?



Yeah, why not.


Trump wins, I leave this forum forever.

Hillary wins, you leave this forum forever.

No socks.

Agreed?


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:52pm

Gordon wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:38pm:

Gordon wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:24pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:22pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 3:20pm:
Electoral map:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?



If all this shite was to be believed, Hillary is more popular that Obama, Reagen and Bill Clinton put together!!!!   It's so hugely overstated and so obviously and stinkigly a spin that only people like you would take it without blinking!!!!


Wanna make a little wager on the outcome of the election?


Remember your response to me when I offered you a wager on something?


Nope.

Refresh my memory, old boy.


That you never bet, or something to that effect.
I suspect I'm younger than you,  old boy :)


I don't gamble with money.

If Trump wins, I leave this forum forever.

If Clinton wins, you leave this forum forever.

Are we on?


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 5:01pm

Yeah, I thought so.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Gordon on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 5:06pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 5:01pm:
Yeah, I thought so.




I really have no idea of the outcome.  I only want Trump to win as I think it will have the effect of hitting the reset button on American politics which will be good long term.

I truly think Billary will be terrible.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 5:13pm

Frank wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 2:45pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 22nd, 2016 at 7:01pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 22nd, 2016 at 6:55pm:
Hillary as prez will be the beginning of the end of the US.

She will be illegitimate from 9 November. She has been illegitimate for decades.


Is that because the majority of people will have voted for her, Frank?



If voting was compulsory in the US, then whoever wins would be legit. But with 60% turnout, you have to win big to be legit. Brexit, with 48-52 % was seen as a big win with 72% turnout.

In the US, 62.3% turned up to vote in 2008 and only 57.5 in 2012.


There is no energy behind Clinton. She stands for her personal entitlement, for identity politics ("I am a woman") and is seen by all as unreliable, lying and dishonest. 

Trump brings energy and a lot of the things that will motivate apathetic voters. People see through l the negative stuff and all the attempts to tarnish him. Hillary has actually stuffed up big time while in power.  Trump is just Trump, big mouth but not in power.

I do not know which way it will go, I am not someone who is immersed in American politics or knows the soul of America. Even if she wins, the stuff he has brought to the forefront of debate is being played out elsewhere in the world, especially in Europe and to some extent in Australia.

If Trump doesn't succeed now then the European Trumps will. It might not happen this year or the next, but the era of Merkel, Clinton, O'Bama, Hollande, Soros is over.

Clinton is the reactionary in this contest, she is the one clinging to the past. It's always like this - you don't know how the future ill pan out - Trump??? unbelievable like WWI was in May 2014- but you kinda know when the past is over. Clinton is the past in every way.  Electing Clinton is like re-electing Bill, electing to go back to the 90s.

That's a pretty f***d idea, don't you think?




The late 90s were the most prosperous and transformational time in the US's post-Vietnam era, but Hillary is no Bill Clinton.

She is instinctually far more conservative than her husband. She was a Republica when she met him. She's gone left to get the Sanders crowd. The old Fox News Hillary-haters have no idea - they just don't like universal health care and women in suits - and women in politics.

But Hillary is in now to save the furniture. The biggest crack in US hegemony has just come out of the Philippines, who have announced their new alignment with China and Russia. Other South East Asian and Middle Eastern countries will follow. Duterte's announcement is a geopolitical game-changer.

If you think Trump has any capacity to deal with the shift of military and economic power to China, you're having a laugh. In fact, you would never make such a ludicrous suggestion, even for an old boy.

Alas, I do think Clinton has the ability to manage this shift in power. She knows how the game works. Trump managed the Miss Universe Pageant and is already threatening China with all sorts of insane schemes. If elected, all Trump could do is throw temper tantrums. Xiping and Putin would love having Trump to laugh at. They are already doing just that - Putin especially.

Thanks for pointing out that US presidents are not popularly erected, old boy. You could have brought this up when you were trying to export the US model to Iraq, but you probably didn't know any of this until Bogie's mystery anti-Hillary articles enlightened you.

Chin up. You'll still be able to watch Trump on the tele.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 6:33pm

Gordon wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 5:06pm:
I only want Trump to win as I think it will have the effect of hitting the reset button on American politics which will be good long term.

This is the kind of mindless metaphor that 'Trumpism' is built on - the reset button... Like it means something...

Or is it a serious literal statement to be made of imperialist politics to say it can be 'control alt deleted' for a 'restart'?




Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 6:59pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 5:13pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 2:45pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 22nd, 2016 at 7:01pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 22nd, 2016 at 6:55pm:
Hillary as prez will be the beginning of the end of the US.

She will be illegitimate from 9 November. She has been illegitimate for decades.


Is that because the majority of people will have voted for her, Frank?



If voting was compulsory in the US, then whoever wins would be legit. But with 60% turnout, you have to win big to be legit. Brexit, with 48-52 % was seen as a big win with 72% turnout.

In the US, 62.3% turned up to vote in 2008 and only 57.5 in 2012.


There is no energy behind Clinton. She stands for her personal entitlement, for identity politics ("I am a woman") and is seen by all as unreliable, lying and dishonest. 

Trump brings energy and a lot of the things that will motivate apathetic voters. People see through l the negative stuff and all the attempts to tarnish him. Hillary has actually stuffed up big time while in power.  Trump is just Trump, big mouth but not in power.

I do not know which way it will go, I am not someone who is immersed in American politics or knows the soul of America. Even if she wins, the stuff he has brought to the forefront of debate is being played out elsewhere in the world, especially in Europe and to some extent in Australia.

If Trump doesn't succeed now then the European Trumps will. It might not happen this year or the next, but the era of Merkel, Clinton, O'Bama, Hollande, Soros is over.

Clinton is the reactionary in this contest, she is the one clinging to the past. It's always like this - you don't know how the future ill pan out - Trump??? unbelievable like WWI was in May 2014- but you kinda know when the past is over. Clinton is the past in every way.  Electing Clinton is like re-electing Bill, electing to go back to the 90s.

That's a pretty f***d idea, don't you think?




The late 90s were the most prosperous and transformational time in the US's post-Vietnam era, but Hillary is no Bill Clinton.

She is instinctually far more conservative than her husband. She was a Republica when she met him. She's gone left to get the Sanders crowd. The old Fox News Hillary-haters have no idea - they just don't like universal health care and women in suits - and women in politics.

But Hillary is in now to save the furniture. The biggest crack in US hegemony has just come out of the Philippines, who have announced their new alignment with China and Russia. Other South East Asian and Middle Eastern countries will follow. Duterte's announcement is a geopolitical game-changer.

If you think Trump has any capacity to deal with the shift of military and economic power to China, you're having a laugh. In fact, you would never make such a ludicrous suggestion, even for an old boy.

Alas, I do think Clinton has the ability to manage this shift in power. She knows how the game works. Trump managed the Miss Universe Pageant and is already threatening China with all sorts of insane schemes. If elected, all Trump could do is throw temper tantrums. Xiping and Putin would love having Trump to laugh at. They are already doing just that - Putin especially.

Thanks for pointing out that US presidents are not popularly erected, old boy. You could have brought this up when you were trying to export the US model to Iraq, but you probably didn't know any of this until Bogie's mystery anti-Hillary articles enlightened you.

Chin up. You'll still be able to watch Trump on the tele.



That's the old fuddy-duddy thinking - "managing da power shift".

It's bollocks. Nobody could manage the power shift in 1914, 1939, 1941, 1989, and not now.

'Managing the power shift' is code for the establishment trying to save and transition itself. It never happens. it will not happen now.

Everything Clinton stands for will be swept away either now or in 2020. She is the past. She and everything she stands for will not be managed into the future. Trump or anyone like him could not have emerged if things were 'as usual'. They are not.

SO you need to look ahead ans try to see how they are not usual, not try to look back and shout how nuffin' is ever gonna change coz hill is here, like Bill was here.

The Left, the 'progs', the New Inquisition are the reactionaries of today. They will not be tolerated. Wake up. 




Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Gordon on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 7:11pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 6:33pm:

Gordon wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 5:06pm:
I only want Trump to win as I think it will have the effect of hitting the reset button on American politics which will be good long term.

This is the kind of mindless metaphor that 'Trumpism' is built on - the reset button... Like it means something...

Or is it a serious literal statement to be made of imperialist politics to say it can be 'control alt deleted' for a 'restart'?


No I want the America people to put him in the Whitehouse then realize the depths American politics have sunk to and hopefully start putting forward quality candidates.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 7:17pm
Oh, old boy, we all love how you use the term "the Establishment" with a straight face. As if you're not the most Establishment poster here.

Nudge nudge wink wink, innit. And yes, past US presidents managed global transitions to benefit the US and the world - FDR in particular. conference at Yalta ring a bell?

Not every president has to be a Nixon or a Bush Jnr, dear. Trump, of course, would not even be that. The reset button? Trump would be impeached in his first term.

Reset that, Establishment.

If you want to keep pinching Trump campaign cliches, at least declare the source of your thoughts, dear boy. You have a very big interest in Amerikan politics, but in particular, global leadership. This has been your main cause on this board since 2001.

You were a neocon in 2003, a US isolationalist in 2008, and now, you're just a jolly promoter of the Trump brand.

No worries. Do you know what you are, old boy?

You're a tourist. Every day, in every day, things just keep getting better and better.

Now you get back on the bus and stop complaining, okay?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 7:26pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 7:17pm:
Oh, old boy, we all love how you use the term "the Establishment" with a straight face. As if you're not the most Establishment poster here.

Nudge nudge wink wink, innit. And yes, past US presidents managed global transitions to benefit the US and the world - FDR in particular. conference at Yalta ring a bell?

Not every president has to be a Nixon or a Bush Jnr, dear. Trump, of course, would not even be that. The reset button? Trump would be impeached in his first term.

Reset that, Establishment.

If you want to keep pinching Trump campaign cliches, at least declare the source of you thoughts, dear boy. You have a very big interest in Amerikan politics, but in particular, global leadership. This has been your main cause on this board since 2001.



I can see the fear in your eyes.



Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 7:35pm

Frank wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 7:26pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 7:17pm:
Oh, old boy, we all love how you use the term "the Establishment" with a straight face. As if you're not the most Establishment poster here.

Nudge nudge wink wink, innit. And yes, past US presidents managed global transitions to benefit the US and the world - FDR in particular. conference at Yalta ring a bell?

Not every president has to be a Nixon or a Bush Jnr, dear. Trump, of course, would not even be that. The reset button? Trump would be impeached in his first term.

Reset that, Establishment.

If you want to keep pinching Trump campaign cliches, at least declare the source of you thoughts, dear boy. You have a very big interest in Amerikan politics, but in particular, global leadership. This has been your main cause on this board since 2001.



I can see the fear in your eyes.


Now you're quoting Trump verbatim. Greggery should be able to provide the source.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 7:38pm
It's over for progs like you. You have run your course.  It's over.

If not Trump then Le Pen, Brexit, Orban, AfD, whatever.  Your ascendancy is over. Nothing can save it.






Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Lord Herbert on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 7:49pm
Presidential IQs

George W. Bush ....... 125

Ronald Reagan .......... 130

Nixon .....................   131

Trump ....................  between 120 & 130

Hillary Clinton ...........  140



Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 7:50pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 7:49pm:
Presidential IQs

George W. Bush ....... 125

Ronald Reagan .......... 130

Nixon .....................   131

Trump ....................  between 120 & 130

Hillary Clinton ...........  140


Thanks for that completely useless information, Troll King.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 7:53pm

Frank wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 7:38pm:
It's over for progs like you. You have run your course.  It's over.

If not Trump then Le Pen, Brexit, Orban, AfD, whatever.  Your ascendancy is over. Nothing can save it.


You seriously think Hillary's a "prog?" I'd say it's over for people who use the term prog, but that's just me.

"Progressives."

That you think a property developer like Trump has anything to do with old boy heroes like le.Pen and Farange does indeed explain your disinterest in Amerikan politics.

Anyone for stool?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Lord Herbert on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 8:06pm

Frank wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 7:38pm:
It's over for progs like you. You have run your course.  It's over.

If not Trump then Le Pen, Brexit, Orban, AfD, whatever.  Your ascendancy is over. Nothing can save it.


Correct.

This slide away from Leftwing-luvvie, liberal-progressive, anti-nationalist, anti-White, self-immolating White Middle-Class Guilt trip is coming to an end.

It's just a question of when will the fat lady sing.




Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 8:12pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 8:06pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 7:38pm:
It's over for progs like you. You have run your course.  It's over.

If not Trump then Le Pen, Brexit, Orban, AfD, whatever.  Your ascendancy is over. Nothing can save it.


Correct.

This slide away from Leftwing-luvvie, liberal-progressive, anti-nationalist, anti-White, self-immolating White Middle-Class Guilt trip is coming to an end.

It's just a question of when will the fat lady sing.


I can tell you this, Herr-bert: the fat lady won't be a bloated orange douche bag accused of raping at least one child and sexually assaulting countless women.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Lord Herbert on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 8:12pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 7:50pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 7:49pm:
Presidential IQs

George W. Bush ....... 125

Ronald Reagan .......... 130

Nixon .....................   131

Trump ....................  between 120 & 130

Hillary Clinton ...........  140


Thanks for that completely useless information, Troll King.


You've missed the point.

If IQ is a measure of who best should serve as President of the US of A then what we have here is a travesty in light of the fact that universities all across America have academics whose IQs are up there in 165 - 170s and higher.

So it begs the question: What are the qualities needs to make a good President if it's not a high IQ?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 8:13pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 8:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 7:50pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 7:49pm:
Presidential IQs

George W. Bush ....... 125

Ronald Reagan .......... 130

Nixon .....................   131

Trump ....................  between 120 & 130

Hillary Clinton ...........  140


Thanks for that completely useless information, Troll King.


You've missed the point.

If IQ is a measure of who best should serve as President of the US of A ...



Who said it was a measure?


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Emma Peel on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 9:10pm
I'm with Karnal.

Trump is a disaster.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 10:18pm

Gordon wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 7:11pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 6:33pm:

Gordon wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 5:06pm:
I only want Trump to win as I think it will have the effect of hitting the reset button on American politics which will be good long term.

This is the kind of mindless metaphor that 'Trumpism' is built on - the reset button... Like it means something...

Or is it a serious literal statement to be made of imperialist politics to say it can be 'control alt deleted' for a 'restart'?


No I want the America people to put him in the Whitehouse then realize the depths American politics have sunk to and hopefully start putting forward quality candidates.

How much of the Pacific do you think the Chinese will have commandeered by then with a mindless fool like Trump in office? I see Duterte intends to hock the Philippines to the Chinese... What would a dumb c$nt like Trump do?

The Chinese and Russians are themselves 'praying' for a Trump win given the dream possibility that a halfwit like him will be tied down in 4 years of sex scandals and bad business deals...


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 10:26pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 8:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 7:50pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 7:49pm:
Presidential IQs

George W. Bush ....... 125

Ronald Reagan .......... 130

Nixon .....................   131

Trump ....................  between 120 & 130

Hillary Clinton ...........  140


Thanks for that completely useless information, Troll King.


You've missed the point.

If IQ is a measure of who best should serve as President of the US of A then what we have here is a travesty in light of the fact that universities all across America have academics whose IQs are up there in 165 - 170s and higher.

So it begs the question: What are the qualities needs to make a good President if it's not a high IQ?

I think you've missed the point... As Hillary Clinton has not served any term as president, she cannot be judged to have been a bad one (let alone because she has a high IQ)...

BTW...

Thomas Jefferson's IQ is estimated to have been 150.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Emma Peel on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 10:32pm
Yeah
and where is Obama's? Hmm?

I'd suggest it beats all of these.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 11:09pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 8:06pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 7:38pm:
It's over for progs like you. You have run your course.  It's over.

If not Trump then Le Pen, Brexit, Orban, AfD, whatever.  Your ascendancy is over. Nothing can save it.


Correct.

This slide away from Leftwing-luvvie, liberal-progressive, anti-nationalist, anti-White, self-immolating White Middle-Class Guilt trip is coming to an end.

It's just a question of when will the fat lady sing.



Our Pauline will only be fat in the fullness of time, Herbie.

And so it is.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 24th, 2016 at 12:37am
HRC has an 86.9% chance of winning according to genius statistician Nate Silver

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Emma Peel on Oct 24th, 2016 at 12:39am
Never doubted it.
Clinton will win the Election.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Rhino on Oct 24th, 2016 at 12:43am
no wonder I drink

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Emma Peel on Oct 24th, 2016 at 12:54am
Been saying from first day I commented...  better get in a keg or three Rhino.  :) :-*

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Rhino on Oct 24th, 2016 at 1:16am

Emma wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 12:54am:
Been saying from first day I commented...  better get in a keg or three Rhino.  :) :-*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbyAZQ45uww&nohtml5=False

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Emma Peel on Oct 24th, 2016 at 1:39am
Excellent Rhino, thanks Don't suppose you could put up Jackson.? 

Takes me way back to me preteend that does. Nancy and Lee Hazelwood. Blast from the past.  :) [smiley=thumbup.gif] [smiley=thumbup.gif]

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Emma Peel on Oct 24th, 2016 at 1:51am
Like the playlist.. California Dreamin'

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Rhino on Oct 24th, 2016 at 1:54am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdARD9Qi8w0&nohtml5=False

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Rhino on Oct 24th, 2016 at 2:02am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG0oBPtyNb0&nohtml5=False

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Emma Peel on Oct 24th, 2016 at 2:07am
them were the days.....

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Rhino on Oct 24th, 2016 at 2:14am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbV8A6Ruqa0&nohtml5=False

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Rhino on Oct 24th, 2016 at 2:17am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i0DMbCKnAg

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Emma Peel on Oct 24th, 2016 at 2:17am
I think the point is there is a point of no return, and us older folk, well at least me, can see no good coming out of the Creep and his posturing. I see no positives. NONE.

OK , so I've lived through the menace of nuclear war, but the facts are, we haven't learned anything from the past, when someone like the Creep can even be jokingly offered as a rational candidate for President of the U S of A, and then here we are.!!!.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Rhino on Oct 24th, 2016 at 2:31am
They are both creeps. 

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Emma Peel on Oct 24th, 2016 at 2:59am
ummm have been listening to the playlist you posted. :)

Well...  they may well be.... but there are definitely volumes of space between their creeptitude.

I know who I think is the High Creepiness, ..and it isn't Hillary Clinton.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Lord Herbert on Oct 24th, 2016 at 5:53am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 10:18pm:
How much of the Pacific do you think the Chinese will have commandeered by then with a mindless fool like Trump in office? I see Duterte intends to hock the Philippines to the Chinese... What would a dumb c$nt like Trump do?


The horse has bolted.

Tell us what you think Hillary Clinton will do to save the situation?


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Oct 24th, 2016 at 6:56am

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 5:53am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 10:18pm:
How much of the Pacific do you think the Chinese will have commandeered by then with a mindless fool like Trump in office? I see Duterte intends to hock the Philippines to the Chinese... What would a dumb c$nt like Trump do?


The horse has bolted.

Tell us what you think Hillary Clinton will do to save the situation?

I'm guessing she'd have better resources than Miss ShoppingMall 2005.

But then what's the bet Trump will no longer have access (so to speak) to Miss ShoppingMall either by now as she is probably unavailable while she prepares her case against Trump for sexual assault.

I know, I know... Trump thinks he's got Putin's undivided attention and cooperation... Having poured as much (homoerotic) affection on him as is possible without risking compulsive public masturbation... If only he understood that the term 'Realpolitik' refers to political pragmatism and not just the name of Vladimir Putin's horse.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Lord Herbert on Oct 24th, 2016 at 7:11am

rhino wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 1:16am:

Emma wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 12:54am:
Been saying from first day I commented...  better get in a keg or three Rhino.  :) :-*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbyAZQ45uww&nohtml5=False



'These Boots are Made for Stalking' ... Trump's swan song.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by cods on Oct 24th, 2016 at 7:12am

rhino wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 2:31am:
They are both creeps. 




its hard to come up with two less worthy people for the job isnt it??>..I find it hard to believe they get so much support even from here....

this has got to be the JOKE of the century....

we have dullards for leaders.....and they have what appears to be two criminals... ::) ::) ::)

no wonder the world is in the State its in..

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Lord Herbert on Oct 24th, 2016 at 7:17am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 6:56am:
I'm guessing she'd have better resources than Miss ShoppingMall 2005.

But then what's the bet Trump will no longer have access (so to speak) to Miss ShoppingMall either by now as she is probably unavailable while she prepares her case against Trump for sexual assault.

I know, I know... Trump thinks he's got Putin's undivided attention and cooperation... Having poured as much (homoerotic) affection on him as is possible without risking compulsive public masturbation... If only he understood that the term 'Realpolitik' refers to political pragmatism and not just the name of Vladimir Putin's horse.


Waffle.

Let me try it once again. I'm retired, so I've got endless patience.

How will Hillary Clinton be an improvement upon Trump in dealing with China on this issue?

(Take all the time you need. There's no hurry. Use Google, phone friends, visit your local library, ask strangers in the streets, etc).

'Thank God it will be Ultra-Bitch Hillary in the Oval Office and not Trump'.

Shoot. Make us happy.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Oct 24th, 2016 at 7:27am

cods wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 7:12am:
we have dullards for leaders.....and they have what appears to be two criminals... ::) ::) ::)

no wonder the world is in the State its in..

Which of the two would you rather have leading the western world against the likely intentions of the Russians and Chinese carving it up into respective 'spheres of influence'?

Do you think China has more to offer us than the USA with regard to socio-political philosophy?

I'd bet there's little doubt in Beijing and Moscow that a Trump ascendancy will be considered the one great chance of the century to assert their influence and diminish that of Washington's by exploiting Trump's stupidity and congenital malignant narcissism.

Make no mistake, there's not an 'Age of Aquarius' waiting for us beyond the US elections were Clinton to lose... But there is, very much more than likely, to be the opposite.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Oct 24th, 2016 at 7:38am

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 7:17am:
Let me try it once again. I'm retired, so I've got endless patience.

Not sure about that... You seem to be often 'leaving the building' in a geriatric tantrum...


Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 7:17am:
How will Hillary Clinton be an improvement upon Trump in dealing with China on this issue?

Do you think it takes one man on a horse with a beauty pageant contestant as an adviser to take on world-class career politicians and hostile heads of state? Let's see you get that ingrown toenail removed from an Alan Bond character.

BTW how's that Presidential IQ thing going? You know google will tell you Clinton hasn't yet served as a President... Don't think of needing to google this as an obvious sign of your oncoming dementia... Think of it as, say, 'outsourcing your memory'


Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 7:17am:
Shoot. Make us happy.

Love the royal 'we'... Sort of English in a way... But lacks balls.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Oct 24th, 2016 at 7:56am

Emma wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 9:10pm:
I'm with Karnal.

Trump is a disaster.



I bet you can't explain that.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by John Smith on Oct 24th, 2016 at 8:02am

Frank wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 7:56am:
I bet you can't explain that.


pretty sure it's been covered completely ... but just in case you missed it, look to his election campaign for inspiration

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 24th, 2016 at 9:27am

John Smith wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 8:02am:

Frank wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 7:56am:
I bet you can't explain that.


pretty sure it's been covered completely ... but just in case you missed it, look to his election campaign for inspiration


Better yet, read Standard & Poors and Moodys analysis of Trump's policies. An extra 5 trillion on the US deficit is just one result of a Trump presidency, based on his tax policies alone.

It's all out there, it's easy to find. The old boy likes the idea of Trump because of one issue, and one issue alone:

Race.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Oct 24th, 2016 at 10:13am

Karnal wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 9:27am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 8:02am:

Frank wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 7:56am:
I bet you can't explain that.


pretty sure it's been covered completely ... but just in case you missed it, look to his election campaign for inspiration


Better yet, read Standard & Poors and Moodys analysis of Trump's policies. An extra 5 trillion on the US deficit is just one result of a Trump presidency, based on his tax policies alone.

It's all out there, it's easy to find. 



While Moody's Analytics is an independent research group, the chief economist and lead author of the report on Trump is Mark Zandi, who donated $2,700 to Hillary Clinton's campaign last year, according to OpenSecrets.org. In the past, Zandi was an economic advisor to John McCain, but he then came out strongly in favor of President Obama's stimulus package to boost the economy.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Oct 24th, 2016 at 10:14am

Karnal wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 9:27am:
It's all out there, it's easy to find. The old boy likes the idea of Trump because of one issue, and one issue alone:

Race.



Really??  What are Trump's policies on race?  Tell us.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by BigOl64 on Oct 24th, 2016 at 10:19am
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Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 24th, 2016 at 10:21am

Frank wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 10:13am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 9:27am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 8:02am:

Frank wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 7:56am:
I bet you can't explain that.


pretty sure it's been covered completely ... but just in case you missed it, look to his election campaign for inspiration


Better yet, read Standard & Poors and Moodys analysis of Trump's policies. An extra 5 trillion on the US deficit is just one result of a Trump presidency, based on his tax policies alone.

It's all out there, it's easy to find. 



While Moody's Analytics is an independent research group, the chief economist and lead author of the report on Trump is Mark Zandi, who donated $2,700 to Hillary Clinton's campaign last year, according to OpenSecrets.org. In the past, Zandi was an economic advisor to John McCain, but he then came out strongly in favor of President Obama's stimulus package to boost the economy.


Frank, it's every ratings agency. Hillary's policies are largely revenue neutral. All the agencies are positive about her costings. On paper, Hillary is the best candidate - by far.

Besides, can you imagine Moodys' chief economist fudging a report like this to favour the Democrats? They would go out of business quick smart.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 24th, 2016 at 10:29am

Frank wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 10:14am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 9:27am:
It's all out there, it's easy to find. The old boy likes the idea of Trump because of one issue, and one issue alone:

Race.



Really??  What are Trump's policies on race?  Tell us.


Oh, you haven't heard? He has policies on black crime, where he cited completely false statistics - statistics you yourself quoted.

He has policies on Hispanic illegal immigrants. He wants to build a wall to keep Mexicans out (as if they're too dumb to get on a plane).

And he has policies on refusing travel visas to everyone from a majority-Muslim country.

Now we all know you'll say, oh but blacks, Hispanics, Arabs, Central Asians and all other Muslims are not a race.

You'll say it's just about the beards.

Cunning, no?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Sprintcyclist on Oct 24th, 2016 at 10:34am
https://youtu.be/YLzDE2zbMlQ



ABC NEWS POLL SHOWS DONALD TRUMP BEATING CROOKED HILLARY IN A LANDSLIDE

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Sprintcyclist on Oct 24th, 2016 at 10:37am

https://youtu.be/4G729OqhDYc


New Poll Of Donald Trump Vs Hillary Clinton, Trump Leads Clinton 7 Points, October 20, 2016

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 24th, 2016 at 10:39am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 10:37am:
https://youtu.be/4G729OqhDYc


New Poll Of Donald Trump Vs Hillary Clinton, Trump Leads Clinton 7 Points, October 20, 2016


You're headed for disappointment, Sprinty.

Come November 8, Trump will do what he does best: lose.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Sprintcyclist on Oct 24th, 2016 at 10:42am


https://youtu.be/ycsFGthkVbk

Donald Trump LEADS Electoral College via UPI Over Killary Clinton

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Oct 24th, 2016 at 10:44am

Karnal wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 10:29am:

Frank wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 10:14am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 9:27am:
It's all out there, it's easy to find. The old boy likes the idea of Trump because of one issue, and one issue alone:

Race.



Really??  What are Trump's policies on race?  Tell us.


Oh, you haven't heard? He has policies on black crime, where he cited completely false statistics - statistics you yourself quoted.

He has policies on Hispanic illegal immigrants. He wants to build a wall to keep Mexicans out (as if they're too dumb to get on a plane).

And he has policies on refusing travel visas to everyone from a majority-Muslim country.

Now we all know you'll say, oh but blacks, Hispanics, Arabs, Central Asians and all other Muslims are not a race.

You'll say it's just about the beards.

Cunning, no?



Illegals, criminals and fanatics are a race??

Who knew??


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Oct 24th, 2016 at 10:49am

Karnal wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 10:29am:

Frank wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 10:14am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 9:27am:
It's all out there, it's easy to find. The old boy likes the idea of Trump because of one issue, and one issue alone:

Race.



Really??  What are Trump's policies on race?  Tell us.


Oh, you haven't heard? He has policies on black crime, where he cited completely false statistics - statistics you yourself quoted.

He has policies on Hispanic illegal immigrants. He wants to build a wall to keep Mexicans out.

And he has policies on refusing travel visas to everyone from a majority-Muslim country.

Now we all know you'll say, oh but blacks, Hispanics, Arabs, Central Asians and all other Muslims are not a race.

You'll say it's just about the beards.

Cunning, no?


1. Apprehending & prosecuting criminals, regardless of race, is the best way from keeping criminals from preying on citizens. No?

➤  You do know that in America, the Federal Government isn't permitted....by law under normal conditions....in policing local neighborhoods......that's completely up to the local governments, not the feds. Trump can only suggest that all criminals be apprehended & prosecuted, above that he has no jurisdiction.....no President does or has.

2.  The wall Trump proposes isn't meant to just keep Mexicans from illegally crossing the southern border into the United States, it's to keep all peoples, no matter their origin, from illegally entering.

America is a Sovereign Country, & as such can refuse entry to anyone that's they don't invite or wish to allow entry to. America does not subscribe toan "OPEN BORDERS" Policy, & neither do we.

3. Again, as a Sovereign Country, America isn't required to issue a travel visa to anyone it deems a threat to the American People. America determines that, we (the rest of the world) doesn't.

If America so wishes, after determining that someone, some group, or some region for that matter, isn't a threat to it's people, it may decide to issue a visa on a case by case basis.......just as we do here.

No one in the World has an automatic or predetermined right to an American Visa. ;)


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Oct 24th, 2016 at 10:54am

Karnal wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 7:17pm:
Oh, old boy, we all love how you use the term "the Establishment" with a straight face. As if you're not the most Establishment poster here.

Nudge nudge wink wink, innit. And yes, past US presidents managed global transitions to benefit the US and the world - FDR in particular. conference at Yalta ring a bell?

Not every president has to be a Nixon or a Bush Jnr, dear. Trump, of course, would not even be that. The reset button? Trump would be impeached in his first term.

Reset that, Establishment.


A small but telling point: Wikileaks' Julian Assange has lived in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London for over four years. But not until he leaked against Hillary was his Internet cut off. Hillary, out of office, has a swifter and more ruthless global reach than Hillary in office on the night of Benghazi. And, should she win, her view of her subjects is that we should have the same information access as Ecuadorian Embassy refugees.

We have here a clear pattern of corruption that makes Watergate look like child's play. Hillary's aide, Patrick Kennedy, tried to bribe the FBI to change the classification of a Benghazi document so as to enable Hillary's false claim that she didn't send or receive classified information on her illegal home server. The FBI, to its credit, refused. (James Comey wasn't involved at that stage.)

Hillary's aide then asked whether the FBI would be saying anything publicly about the classification issue. Once assured that the FBI would be silent, Hillary took the stage and alleged publicly, and falsely, that she never used her illegal home server to send or receive classified information...

Donald Trump has his faults, but Hillary Clinton is far too corrupt to serve as President of the United States.
....
The corruption might not seem directly relevant to the rise of Donald Trump, but it's there, implicitly. The present arrangements work for the political class, the permanent bureaucracy, their client groups, and the lawless. But not for millions of the law-abiding. Consider illegal immigration, for example, which pre-Trump was entirely discussed in terms of the interests of the lawbreakers - how to "bring them out of the shadows", how to give them "a path to citizenship", celebrate their "family values" and "work ethic" - and never in terms of the law-abiding, whose wages they depress, whose communities they transform, and, in too many criminal cases, whose lives they wreck. Victor Davis Hanson writes:
Something has gone terribly wrong with the Republican party, and it has nothing to do with the flaws of Donald Trump. Something like his tone and message would have to be invented if he did not exist. None of the other 16 primary candidates — the great majority of whom had far greater political expertise, more even temperaments, and more knowledge of issues than did Trump — shared Trump's sense of outrage — or his ability to convey it — over what was wrong: The lives and concerns of the Republican establishment in the media and government no longer resembled those of half their supporters.

...
Trump, like other philosophically erratic politicians from Denmark to Greece, has tapped into a very basic strain of cultural conservatism: the question of how far First World peoples are willing to go in order to extinguish their futures on the altar of "diversity".
http://www.steynonline.com/7564/laws-are-for-the-little-people


In this low-bar presidential race, why do conservative establishmentarians and past foreign-policy officials feel a need to publish their support for the Democratic candidate, when their liberal counterparts feel no such urge to distance themselves from their own nominee? Is what Clinton actually did, in leaving Iraq abruptly, or lying about Benghazi, or violating federal security laws, so much less alarming than what Trump might do in shaking up NATO or "bombing the hell out of ISIS"?

Just so. Trump is an unknown. But, to channel Donald Rumsfeld, Hillary is the most known known in the history of knowns. And what we know of her is that she's stinkingly corrupt, above the law, and able to suborn entire government agencies in the cause of her corruption. Where do you think we're gonna be after eight years of that?

Oh, and it will be eight years. The NeverTrumpers are saying, "Don't worry. We'll get it right in 2020", just like after 2012 they said, "Don't worry. We'll get it right in 2016", and after 2008 they said, "Don't worry. We'll get it right in 2012." Next time never comes. There are no tomorrows for the Republican Party, because, unlike the GOP, the Democrats use their victories very effectively.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by mothra on Oct 24th, 2016 at 11:20am

Frank wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 10:54am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 7:17pm:
Oh, old boy, we all love how you use the term "the Establishment" with a straight face. As if you're not the most Establishment poster here.

Nudge nudge wink wink, innit. And yes, past US presidents managed global transitions to benefit the US and the world - FDR in particular. conference at Yalta ring a bell?

Not every president has to be a Nixon or a Bush Jnr, dear. Trump, of course, would not even be that. The reset button? Trump would be impeached in his first term.

Reset that, Establishment.


A small but telling point: Wikileaks' Julian Assange has lived in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London for over four years. But not until he leaked against Hillary was his Internet cut off. Hillary, out of office, has a swifter and more ruthless global reach than Hillary in office on the night of Benghazi. And, should she win, her view of her subjects is that we should have the same information access as Ecuadorian Embassy refugees.

We have here a clear pattern of corruption that makes Watergate look like child's play. Hillary's aide, Patrick Kennedy, tried to bribe the FBI to change the classification of a Benghazi document so as to enable Hillary's false claim that she didn't send or receive classified information on her illegal home server. The FBI, to its credit, refused. (James Comey wasn't involved at that stage.)

Hillary's aide then asked whether the FBI would be saying anything publicly about the classification issue. Once assured that the FBI would be silent, Hillary took the stage and alleged publicly, and falsely, that she never used her illegal home server to send or receive classified information...

Donald Trump has his faults, but Hillary Clinton is far too corrupt to serve as President of the United States.
....
The corruption might not seem directly relevant to the rise of Donald Trump, but it's there, implicitly. The present arrangements work for the political class, the permanent bureaucracy, their client groups, and the lawless. But not for millions of the law-abiding. Consider illegal immigration, for example, which pre-Trump was entirely discussed in terms of the interests of the lawbreakers - how to "bring them out of the shadows", how to give them "a path to citizenship", celebrate their "family values" and "work ethic" - and never in terms of the law-abiding, whose wages they depress, whose communities they transform, and, in too many criminal cases, whose lives they wreck. Victor Davis Hanson writes:
Something has gone terribly wrong with the Republican party, and it has nothing to do with the flaws of Donald Trump. Something like his tone and message would have to be invented if he did not exist. None of the other 16 primary candidates — the great majority of whom had far greater political expertise, more even temperaments, and more knowledge of issues than did Trump — shared Trump's sense of outrage — or his ability to convey it — over what was wrong: The lives and concerns of the Republican establishment in the media and government no longer resembled those of half their supporters.

...
Trump, like other philosophically erratic politicians from Denmark to Greece, has tapped into a very basic strain of cultural conservatism: the question of how far First World peoples are willing to go in order to extinguish their futures on the altar of "diversity".
http://www.steynonline.com/7564/laws-are-for-the-little-people


In this low-bar presidential race, why do conservative establishmentarians and past foreign-policy officials feel a need to publish their support for the Democratic candidate, when their liberal counterparts feel no such urge to distance themselves from their own nominee? Is what Clinton actually did, in leaving Iraq abruptly, or lying about Benghazi, or violating federal security laws, so much less alarming than what Trump might do in shaking up NATO or "bombing the hell out of ISIS"?

Just so. Trump is an unknown. But, to channel Donald Rumsfeld, Hillary is the most known known in the history of knowns. And what we know of her is that she's stinkingly corrupt, above the law, and able to suborn entire government agencies in the cause of her corruption. Where do you think we're gonna be after eight years of that?

Oh, and it will be eight years. The NeverTrumpers are saying, "Don't worry. We'll get it right in 2020", just like after 2012 they said, "Don't worry. We'll get it right in 2016", and after 2008 they said, "Don't worry. We'll get it right in 2012." Next time never comes. There are no tomorrows for the Republican Party, because, unlike the GOP, the Democrats use their victories very effectively.


Well that was quite an hysterical rant.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Oct 24th, 2016 at 11:26am

Frank wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 10:54am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 7:17pm:
Oh, old boy, we all love how you use the term "the Establishment" with a straight face. As if you're not the most Establishment poster here.

Nudge nudge wink wink, innit. And yes, past US presidents managed global transitions to benefit the US and the world - FDR in particular. conference at Yalta ring a bell?

Not every president has to be a Nixon or a Bush Jnr, dear. Trump, of course, would not even be that. The reset button? Trump would be impeached in his first term.

Reset that, Establishment.


A small but telling point: Wikileaks' Julian Assange has lived in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London for over four years. But not until he leaked against Hillary was his Internet cut off. Hillary, out of office, has a swifter and more ruthless global reach than Hillary in office on the night of Benghazi. And, should she win, her view of her subjects is that we should have the same information access as Ecuadorian Embassy refugees.

We have here a clear pattern of corruption that makes Watergate look like child's play. Hillary's aide, Patrick Kennedy, tried to bribe the FBI to change the classification of a Benghazi document so as to enable Hillary's false claim that she didn't send or receive classified information on her illegal home server. The FBI, to its credit, refused. (James Comey wasn't involved at that stage.)

Hillary's aide then asked whether the FBI would be saying anything publicly about the classification issue. Once assured that the FBI would be silent, Hillary took the stage and alleged publicly, and falsely, that she never used her illegal home server to send or receive classified information...

➤➤ Donald Trump has his faults, but Hillary Clinton is far too corrupt to serve as President of the United States.
....
The corruption might not seem directly relevant to the rise of Donald Trump, but it's there, implicitly. The present arrangements work for the political class, the permanent bureaucracy, their client groups, and the lawless. But not for millions of the law-abiding. Consider illegal immigration, for example, which pre-Trump was entirely discussed in terms of the interests of the lawbreakers - how to "bring them out of the shadows", how to give them "a path to citizenship", celebrate their "family values" and "work ethic" - and never in terms of the law-abiding, whose wages they depress, whose communities they transform, and, in too many criminal cases, whose lives they wreck. Victor Davis Hanson writes:
Something has gone terribly wrong with the Republican party, and it has nothing to do with the flaws of Donald Trump. Something like his tone and message would have to be invented if he did not exist. None of the other 16 primary candidates — the great majority of whom had far greater political expertise, more even temperaments, and more knowledge of issues than did Trump — shared Trump's sense of outrage — or his ability to convey it — over what was wrong: The lives and concerns of the Republican establishment in the media and government no longer resembled those of half their supporters.

...
Trump, like other philosophically erratic politicians from Denmark to Greece, has tapped into a very basic strain of cultural conservatism: the question of how far First World peoples are willing to go in order to extinguish their futures on the altar of "diversity".
http://www.steynonline.com/7564/laws-are-for-the-little-people


In this low-bar presidential race, why do conservative establishmentarians and past foreign-policy officials feel a need to publish their support for the Democratic candidate, when their liberal counterparts feel no such urge to distance themselves from their own nominee? Is what Clinton actually did, in leaving Iraq abruptly, or lying about Benghazi, or violating federal security laws, so much less alarming than what Trump might do in shaking up NATO or "bombing the hell out of ISIS"?

Just so. Trump is an unknown. But, to channel Donald Rumsfeld, Hillary is the most known known in the history of knowns. And what we know of her is that she's stinkingly corrupt, above the law, and able to suborn entire government agencies in the cause of her corruption. Where do you think we're gonna be after eight years of that?

Oh, and it will be eight years. The NeverTrumpers are saying, "Don't worry. We'll get it right in 2020", just like after 2012 they said, "Don't worry. We'll get it right in 2016", and after 2008 they said, "Don't worry. We'll get it right in 2012." Next time never comes. There are no tomorrows for the Republican Party, because, unlike the GOP, the Democrats use their victories very effectively.


Well said........   +1      


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Oct 24th, 2016 at 11:26am

mothra wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 11:20am:
Well that was quite an hysterical rant.

No, it was very measured and calm. Nothing hysterical about it.  But for you it's an easy way out to just to misrepresent it so you do not have to actually identify any point that you could disprove or dispute.
Or it just all went right over your head.




Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Oct 24th, 2016 at 11:36am

Frank wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 10:54am:
A small but telling point: Wikileaks' Julian Assange has lived in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London for over four years. But not until he leaked against Hillary was his Internet cut off. Hillary, out of office, has a swifter and more ruthless global reach than Hillary in office on the night of Benghazi. And, should she win, her view of her subjects is that we should have the same information access as Ecuadorian Embassy refugees.

More like the Secret Service determined that Assange's stalking of Clinton constituted a threat to a US Presidential candidate.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by gandalf on Oct 24th, 2016 at 11:39am
Like I keep saying, Clinton should be facing the tough questions, and its a crying shame she is not. But the repugs have only themselves to blame for not coming up with even a semi-credible candidate.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Oct 24th, 2016 at 12:41pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 11:36am:

Frank wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 10:54am:
A small but telling point: Wikileaks' Julian Assange has lived in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London for over four years. But not until he leaked against Hillary was his Internet cut off. Hillary, out of office, has a swifter and more ruthless global reach than Hillary in office on the night of Benghazi. And, should she win, her view of her subjects is that we should have the same information access as Ecuadorian Embassy refugees.

More like the Secret Service determined that Assange's stalking of Clinton constituted a threat to a US Presidential candidate.



;D ;D ;D


You guys are desperate.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Lord Herbert on Oct 24th, 2016 at 12:46pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 7:38am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 7:17am:
Let me try it once again. I'm retired, so I've got endless patience.

Not sure about that... You seem to be often 'leaving the building' in a geriatric tantrum...


Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 7:17am:
How will Hillary Clinton be an improvement upon Trump in dealing with China on this issue?

Do you think it takes one man on a horse with a beauty pageant contestant as an adviser to take on world-class career politicians and hostile heads of state? Let's see you get that ingrown toenail removed from an Alan Bond character.

BTW how's that Presidential IQ thing going? You know google will tell you Clinton hasn't yet served as a President... Don't think of needing to google this as an obvious sign of your oncoming dementia... Think of it as, say, 'outsourcing your memory'


Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 7:17am:
Shoot. Make us happy.

Love the royal 'we'... Sort of English in a way... But lacks balls.



My patience is legendary among those who know me. It's why I missed my vocation as a mercenary sniper in combat zones. 

So!

We're waiting.  :)

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 24th, 2016 at 1:02pm

Panther wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 10:49am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 10:29am:

Frank wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 10:14am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 9:27am:
It's all out there, it's easy to find. The old boy likes the idea of Trump because of one issue, and one issue alone:

Race.



Really??  What are Trump's policies on race?  Tell us.


Oh, you haven't heard? He has policies on black crime, where he cited completely false statistics - statistics you yourself quoted.

He has policies on Hispanic illegal immigrants. He wants to build a wall to keep Mexicans out.

And he has policies on refusing travel visas to everyone from a majority-Muslim country.

Now we all know you'll say, oh but blacks, Hispanics, Arabs, Central Asians and all other Muslims are not a race.

You'll say it's just about the beards.

Cunning, no?


1. Apprehending & prosecuting criminals, regardless of race, is the best way from keeping criminals from preying on citizens. No?

➤  You do know that in America, the Federal Government isn't permitted....by law under normal conditions....in policing local neighborhoods......that's completely up to the local governments, not the feds. Trump can only suggest that all criminals be apprehended & prosecuted, above that he has no jurisdiction.....no President does or has.



Oh, I know. Funny how Trump has all these policy ideas on cleaning up drug crime, no?


Quote:
2.  The wall Trump proposes isn't meant to just keep Mexicans from illegally crossing the southern border into the United States, it's to keep all peoples, no matter their origin, from illegally entering.


Trump isn't proposing a wall against Canada. Trump has made all sorts of allegations about Mexicans - they're rapists, criminals and drug smugglers. Trump has somehow forgotten that those who organize drug smuggling from Mexico are in fact Americans. He's also forgotten American crime and rape figures - including his own civil case for rape. His 81% black murder rate of whites was a complete porkie.


Quote:
America is a Sovereign Country, & as such can refuse entry to anyone that's they don't invite or wish to allow entry to. America does not subscribe toan "OPEN BORDERS" Policy, & neither do we.


But of course. This is why the US has illegal immigrants to begin with.

There is a question, however, whether a US department could impose restrictions on people - even non-residents - based on their religion. While security issues may well apply, it would be up to the courts to rule on whether a ban on anyone from a Muslim majority country (Muslim or otherwise), would be constitutional.

Trump's policy on making Muslim US citizens carry religious ID cards is certainly unconstitutional. This is the problem with being a political outsider, and it's not a strength. If Trump's policies can't make it past the various committees, congress, senate, and finally, the Supreme Court, they're useless. If Trump can't even get legal advice to see if his policies are legal, what's the point?

The point, as you know very well, is not to create policies, but to hit all the right notes with the bigots. 


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Oct 24th, 2016 at 2:27pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 1:02pm:
The point, as you know very well, is not to create policies, but to hit all the right notes with the bigots. 



No - the point is to represent the popular will rather than be as unmoored from who you represent as the Democrats and the Republicans are now.  There would be no Trump if the Republicans had taken illegal immigration and crimes by illegal immigrants much more seriously much sooner. There would have been no Bern either if the Democrats were really representing their constituents (nor Corbyn in the UK, Hanson, Hinch, Xenophone here, Le Pen in France, etc, etc.)

There would be no Trump if the entire American and Western political class had made sure that their people were behind them with globalisation, trade deals, immigration and the like. There would be no Trump if PC madness had been stopped years ago.

Trump is where he is because the people are sick of precisely your reasoning: " If Trump's policies can't make it past the various committees, congress, senate, and finally, the Supreme Court, they're useless."
People are sick of the political class - "the various committees, congress, senate, and finally, the Supreme Court" - dudding them, no matter which party is in office.  And there is no papering over that. Even if Hillary wins, this dissatisfaction is going to intensify, rather than go quiet.

Th energy is with what Trump, Le Pen, AfD, Wilders, Hanson etc are harnessing, not with Hillary. That it's not pretty or that it doesn't play by the book as usual or please the various committees, quangos and NGOs is the very point.








Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Oct 24th, 2016 at 2:32pm
Have to admit I did hear a French economist talk about why Trump and Sanders got so much traction this election year.


They were both pitching the same angle, but the solution was different.

People are angry about wage inequality, why they can't get jobs etc. Sanders and Trump both tapped into that.

The key difference is how each candidate looked at the cause and therefore the solution.

Sanders thought it was at the top end of twon.
Trump thinks its minorities.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Oct 24th, 2016 at 2:45pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 2:32pm:
Have to admit I did hear a French economist talk about why Trump and Sanders got so much traction this election year.


They were both pitching the same angle, but the solution was different.

People are angry about wage inequality, why they can't get jobs etc. Sanders and Trump both tapped into that.

The key difference is how each candidate looked at the cause and therefore the solution.

Sanders thought it was at the top end of twon.
Trump thinks its minorities.



I don't think Trump blames minorities. He blames the political class best represented by Hillary, funded by rich donors, championed by Big Media.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Lord Herbert on Oct 24th, 2016 at 2:46pm
Post of the Week, Frank.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 24th, 2016 at 3:05pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 2:46pm:
Post of the Week, Frank.


Jesus, you've lowered the bar.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Oct 24th, 2016 at 3:10pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 7:17pm:
Oh, old boy, we all love how you use the term "the Establishment" with a straight face. As if you're not the most Establishment poster here.

Nudge nudge wink wink, innit. And yes, past US presidents managed global transitions to benefit the US and the world - FDR in particular. conference at Yalta ring a bell?

Not every president has to be a Nixon or a Bush Jnr, dear. Trump, of course, would not even be that. The reset button? Trump would be impeached in his first term.

Reset that, Establishment.



From the Pravda on the Hudson (New York Times) yesterday:


The Dangers of Hillary Clinton

The dangers of a Hillary Clinton presidency are more familiar than Trump’s authoritarian unknowns, because we live with them in our politics already. They’re the dangers of elite groupthink, of Beltway power worship, of a cult of presidential action in the service of dubious ideals. They’re the dangers of a recklessness and radicalism that doesn’t recognize itself as either, because it’s convinced that if an idea is mainstream and commonplace among the great and good then it cannot possibly be folly.

Almost every crisis that has come upon the West in the last 15 years has its roots in this establishmentarian type of folly. The Iraq War, which liberals prefer to remember as a conflict conjured by a neoconservative cabal, was actually the work of a bipartisan interventionist consensus, pushed hard by George W. Bush but embraced as well by a large slice of center-left opinion that included Tony Blair and more than half of Senate Democrats.

Likewise the financial crisis: Whether you blame financial-services deregulation or happy-go-lucky housing policy (or both), the policies that helped inflate and pop the bubble were embraced by both wings of the political establishment. Likewise with the euro, the European common currency, a terrible idea that only cranks and Little Englanders dared oppose until the Great Recession exposed it as a potentially economy-sinking folly. Likewise with Angela Merkel’s grand and reckless open-borders gesture just last year: She was the heroine of a thousand profiles even as she delivered her continent to polarization and violence.

This record of elite folly — which doesn’t even include lesser case studies like our splendid little war in Libya — is a big part of why the United States has a “let’s try crazy” candidate in this election, and why there are so many Trumpian parties thriving on European soil.

...
One can look at Trump himself and see too much danger of still-deeper disaster, too much temperamental risk and moral turpitude, to be an acceptable alternative to this blunder-ridden status quo ... while also looking at Hillary Clinton and seeing a woman whose record embodies the tendencies that gave rise to Trumpism in the first place.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/23/opinion/sunday/the-dangers-of-hillary-clinton.html?_r=0

You seem to be the last one not getting that.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by cods on Oct 24th, 2016 at 3:19pm
you know the scariest thing about this whole election is..

one of these guys will be the new President of the USA...... the looser will fade into oblivion...

and the world will be stuck with the what will loosely be called the "winner."..yippee....

I do hope those who support the "winner" dont end up eating their words....well its the best we can hope for.



Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Sprintcyclist on Oct 24th, 2016 at 3:54pm

Frank wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 2:45pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 2:32pm:
Have to admit I did hear a French economist talk about why Trump and Sanders got so much traction this election year.


They were both pitching the same angle, but the solution was different.

People are angry about wage inequality, why they can't get jobs etc. Sanders and Trump both tapped into that.

The key difference is how each candidate looked at the cause and therefore the solution.

Sanders thought it was at the top end of twon.
Trump thinks its minorities.



I don't think Trump blames minorities. He blames the political class best represented by Hillary, funded by rich donors, championed by Big Media.


X 2

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 24th, 2016 at 4:52pm

Frank wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 2:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 1:02pm:
The point, as you know very well, is not to create policies, but to hit all the right notes with the bigots. 



No - the point is to represent the popular will rather than be as unmoored from who you represent as the Democrats and the Republicans are now. 


This is not the popular will. It's a distraction created by a certain class of elites and spread through their media.

Hysteria over race is an easy fallback option, but it masks the very real issues that have hit the Western world since the GFC, or the "Great Recession" as it's known in the US.

The "Establishment" response to this economic crisis was to bail out the banks rather than people's home loans. As real wages dropped, corporate salaries soared. As corporate taxes dropped, income taxes remained the same. People lost their homes, jobs and credit worthiness while people like Trump paid no tax at all.

What's the response? A refugee "crisis". A Mexican wall. A terror "threat". For some, it works every time. It worked in Nazi Germany, Stalin's Russia, the Deep South, and it seems to work all over the world when times get tough and the pinch is on. There will always be people to exploit fear and race hate, and they will always be used by your "Establishment" to distract and divert.

Always, absolutely, never ever.

It is much harder to show the causes of economic inequality than it is to find a figure to blame. Immigration has kept our economies going. In the developed world, we don't have the population to ensure the economic growth we've become used to. It's hard to show how good terms of trade keep the prices of goods down or make credit easily available. It's hard to show how an increasing population creates the demand that stimulates economies and how this translates into decent returns on investment through compound interest. The term compound interest is inherently boring. Try putting it on a chart and showing an old boy. Impossible.

Instead, put on a show like Cops or Border Security and show the underclass rampaging on our streets and foreigners trying to get one over us. Put dodgy tinted scammers on current affairs TV and Musel daily madness on the tabloid front pages.

While those in the know try to ignore the porkies and distortions - your "Establishment"; those who have countries to run and things to manage and do - people like Farange and Wilders and Our Pauline rise up to exploit them. If someone like Turnbull comes out to say how Australia has been made far better because of immigration - almost 50% of us are immigrants or the children of immigrants ourselves - those like Herbie, Bogie, Sprint and your good self rail against it, despite all of you being immigrants too.

How do you reason with such delusion? How do you deal with it? For every false statistic or fact you address, there's ten more porkies appearing, and another ten, and another.

Take Brexit. A majority of Poms voted to pull out of Europe based largely on recent terror attacks in France and Brussels - attacks carried out by Arab and African refugees. A majority voted to pull out because they feared the presence of refugees from the continent, coming up from Africa and into Britain via the channel tunnel.

But these refugees can't legally get into Britain anyway. Britain is not part of the Schengen agreement that removed European borders. In effect, England has had to watch its economy crumble based on an unrebutted lie. Why?

Try making the Schengen Agreement sound interesting. I mean, theoretically I guess you could, but try putting it on the front page of the Sun or UK Daily Mail. The tabloids are in on it, and not so much because they like telling fibs, but they just make for an easier and more compelling read.

Just watch. Before long, the tabloids will come up with a way to blame the state of the UK economy on the tinted races. You'll even make this case yourself. The more delusional the argument is, the more it gets parroted. Look at Trump - he can spread the most ridiculous porkies, and even if they can be caught up with and disputed, you'll be busy quoting the next one, and the next. You're doing it already, pretending a media-hyped billionaire is a victim of the media and a man of the people.

You never listen. When it all comes crashing down, as it inevitably does, you'll forgive and move on and, inexplicably, forget. You forget your stance on Iraq, one minute baying for Muslim blood and jerking off to the war footage, and only 3 years later, acknowledging it was a war that could never be won and should never have been started to begin with. Homo's even blaming Hillary Clinton - for a war he loved at the time because it put Iraqis in their place.

You know, 200,000 men, women and children killed for their complicity in Sept 11. That'll show them. And now?

Hillary's a warmonger. 

There is no way to confront such hypocrisy and doublethink. I do try, but I always fail. Ultimately, there is only one real argument that will work on you. Sprint, a born-again Christian, makes the case well:

Kill them.




Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Oct 24th, 2016 at 5:23pm

Frank wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 12:41pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 11:36am:

Frank wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 10:54am:
A small but telling point: Wikileaks' Julian Assange has lived in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London for over four years. But not until he leaked against Hillary was his Internet cut off. Hillary, out of office, has a swifter and more ruthless global reach than Hillary in office on the night of Benghazi. And, should she win, her view of her subjects is that we should have the same information access as Ecuadorian Embassy refugees.

More like the Secret Service determined that Assange's stalking of Clinton constituted a threat to a US Presidential candidate.

;D ;D ;D

You guys are desperate.

Nothing to do with Clinton... If they did it, they would also do the same for Trump...


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 24th, 2016 at 5:59pm

Frank wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 3:10pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 7:17pm:
Oh, old boy, we all love how you use the term "the Establishment" with a straight face. As if you're not the most Establishment poster here.

Nudge nudge wink wink, innit. And yes, past US presidents managed global transitions to benefit the US and the world - FDR in particular. conference at Yalta ring a bell?

Not every president has to be a Nixon or a Bush Jnr, dear. Trump, of course, would not even be that. The reset button? Trump would be impeached in his first term.

Reset that, Establishment.



From the Pravda on the Hudson (New York Times) yesterday:


The Dangers of Hillary Clinton

The dangers of a Hillary Clinton presidency are more familiar than Trump’s authoritarian unknowns, because we live with them in our politics already. They’re the dangers of elite groupthink, of Beltway power worship, of a cult of presidential action in the service of dubious ideals. They’re the dangers of a recklessness and radicalism that doesn’t recognize itself as either, because it’s convinced that if an idea is mainstream and commonplace among the great and good then it cannot possibly be folly.

Almost every crisis that has come upon the West in the last 15 years has its roots in this establishmentarian type of folly. The Iraq War, which liberals prefer to remember as a conflict conjured by a neoconservative cabal, was actually the work of a bipartisan interventionist consensus, pushed hard by George W. Bush but embraced as well by a large slice of center-left opinion that included Tony Blair and more than half of Senate Democrats.

Likewise the financial crisis: Whether you blame financial-services deregulation or happy-go-lucky housing policy (or both), the policies that helped inflate and pop the bubble were embraced by both wings of the political establishment. Likewise with the euro, the European common currency, a terrible idea that only cranks and Little Englanders dared oppose until the Great Recession exposed it as a potentially economy-sinking folly. Likewise with Angela Merkel’s grand and reckless open-borders gesture just last year: She was the heroine of a thousand profiles even as she delivered her continent to polarization and violence.

This record of elite folly — which doesn’t even include lesser case studies like our splendid little war in Libya — is a big part of why the United States has a “let’s try crazy” candidate in this election, and why there are so many Trumpian parties thriving on European soil.

...
One can look at Trump himself and see too much danger of still-deeper disaster, too much temperamental risk and moral turpitude, to be an acceptable alternative to this blunder-ridden status quo ... while also looking at Hillary Clinton and seeing a woman whose record embodies the tendencies that gave rise to Trumpism in the first place.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/23/opinion/sunday/the-dangers-of-hillary-clinton.html?_r=0

You seem to be the last one not getting that.


Oh, I most certainly do get that. It just leaves out the bit where Trump thinks he can rewrite history and deny his own past comments and pretend to be a game-changer.

Trump has always been pro-choice, and now he's pro-life. Pro-drug decriminalization, and now tough on drugs. For the invasion of Iraq, and now against it. For universal health-care, and now against that.

He's used cheap foreign labour to build skyscrapers. He's imported Chinese steel. He's paid big money to Democrat politicians, including "crooked Hillary". Almost every position he takes is the exact opposite of what he once said or did.

Of course you admire Donald Trump, old boy.

You like being f_cked.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Lord Herbert on Oct 24th, 2016 at 7:26pm

cods wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 3:19pm:
you know the scariest thing about this whole election is..

one of these guys will be the new President of the USA...... the looser will fade into oblivion...

and the world will be stuck with the what will loosely be called the "winner."..yippee....

I do hope those who support the "winner" dont end up eating their words....well its the best we can hope for.


It will only be a 4 year term if the new President doesn't make all those who were supporting Trump before his nasty habits came to light - happy.

Personally, I can't believe it's been all of eight years since Obama came to office. It seems like just a couple of years ago that we were all talking about it.

For me, the reason Obama's presidency has flashed past so quickly is because it's been so uneventful.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Lord Herbert on Oct 24th, 2016 at 7:43pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 5:59pm:
Trump has always been pro-choice, and now he's pro-life. Pro-drug decriminalization, and now tough on drugs. For the invasion of Iraq, and now against it. For universal health-care, and now against that.

He's used cheap foreign labour to build skyscrapers. He's imported Chinese steel. He's paid big money to Democrat politicians, including "crooked Hillary". Almost every position he takes is the exact opposite of what he once said or did. 


That demonstrates a willingness to hang loose and remain flexible rather than be set in concrete like a Jimmy Hoffa.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 24th, 2016 at 7:53pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 7:43pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 5:59pm:
Trump has always been pro-choice, and now he's pro-life. Pro-drug decriminalization, and now tough on drugs. For the invasion of Iraq, and now against it. For universal health-care, and now against that.

He's used cheap foreign labour to build skyscrapers. He's imported Chinese steel. He's paid big money to Democrat politicians, including "crooked Hillary". Almost every position he takes is the exact opposite of what he once said or did. 


That demonstrates a willingness to hang loose and remain flexible rather than be set in concrete like a Jimmy Hoffa.


Do you want Trump to hang loose and flexible with his policies, Herbie?

The wall? Muslims? Making Amerika great again?

Questions questions.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Oct 24th, 2016 at 8:06pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 12:46pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 7:38am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 7:17am:
Let me try it once again. I'm retired, so I've got endless patience.

Not sure about that... You seem to be often 'leaving the building' in a geriatric tantrum...


Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 7:17am:
How will Hillary Clinton be an improvement upon Trump in dealing with China on this issue?

Do you think it takes one man on a horse with a beauty pageant contestant as an adviser to take on world-class career politicians and hostile heads of state? Let's see you get that ingrown toenail removed from an Alan Bond character.

BTW how's that Presidential IQ thing going? You know google will tell you Clinton hasn't yet served as a President... Don't think of needing to google this as an obvious sign of your oncoming dementia... Think of it as, say, 'outsourcing your memory'


Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 7:17am:
Shoot. Make us happy.

Love the royal 'we'... Sort of English in a way... But lacks balls.



My patience is legendary among those who know me. It's why I missed my vocation as a mercenary sniper in combat zones. 

So!

We're waiting.  :)

Just wondering if you've ever worked with (or for) state / federal ministers or career politicians ?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Lord Herbert on Oct 24th, 2016 at 8:26pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 8:06pm:
Just wondering if you've ever worked with (or for) state / federal ministers or career politicians ?


I/We've been wondering why you're finding it so difficult to answer the question as to how Hillary will deal with the China Sea expansion problem better than Trump.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Oct 24th, 2016 at 8:43pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 4:52pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 2:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 1:02pm:
The point, as you know very well, is not to create policies, but to hit all the right notes with the bigots. 



No - the point is to represent the popular will rather than be as unmoored from who you represent as the Democrats and the Republicans are now. 


This is not the popular will. It's a distraction created by a certain class of elites and spread through their media.

Hysteria over race is an easy fallback option, but it masks the very real issues that have hit the Western world since the GFC, or the "Great Recession" as it's known in the US.

The "Establishment" response to this economic crisis was to bail out the banks rather than people's home loans. As real wages dropped, corporate salaries soared. As corporate taxes dropped, income taxes remained the same. People lost their homes, jobs and credit worthiness while people like Trump paid no tax at all.

What's the response? A refugee "crisis". A Mexican wall. A terror "threat". For some, it works every time. It worked in Nazi Germany, Stalin's Russia, the Deep South, and it seems to work all over the world when times get tough and the pinch is on. There will always be people to exploit fear and race hate, and they will always be used by your "Establishment" to distract and divert.

Always, absolutely, never ever.



You ARE stupid enough to confuse illegal immigration with race.
You are moving into Mothra, gweggowy, Greens_Win territory: being stupid on purpose.

I didn't think you were quite that stupid but there you area - you ARE that stupid.


You cannot think outside your shopworn 1980s cliches - we see that in your endless repetition of all that same-old-same-old tired tropes.

'Karnal, we are not in Kansas any more'.



Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Oct 24th, 2016 at 8:53pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 8:26pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 8:06pm:
Just wondering if you've ever worked with (or for) state / federal ministers or career politicians ?


I/We've been wondering why you're finding it so difficult to answer the question as to how Hillary will deal with the China Sea expansion problem better than Trump.

It's based on the relationship that a senior politician (HOG / executive HOS) builds with the administrative.

I'd be betting that Clinton would understand the relationships required (with Cabinet and Congress) for a President to form a strategy to tackle an issue in the Pacific that the Chinese will, without doubt, present to the next President within the first few months of her Presidency. What that strategy might be will depend on the skill of the advisors and the President's ability to accept it.

So far Trump has been unable to work with any of his advisers (either sacking them or having them walk off the job) which is about as clear an indication as we'll get of how long Trump would be able to keep his cabinet together long enough to advise him of what appropriate action to take.

Even Kennedy ran aground on this point when as a young President he presided over the Bay of Pigs disaster. His decisions, it is suggested, were ultimately fatally flawed by 'groupthink'... But then again he was young and likely not mature enough to comprehend the difference between good advice and subconsciously flattery.

With Trump it would not be 'groupthink' that will likely leave him incapable of hearing the advice he would need to hear, but malignant self-obsession (i.e. the inability to accept advice that does not come from his own impulsive mind) that will leave any decision he makes as fatally flawed.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Oct 24th, 2016 at 9:03pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 8:53pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 8:26pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 8:06pm:
Just wondering if you've ever worked with (or for) state / federal ministers or career politicians ?


I/We've been wondering why you're finding it so difficult to answer the question as to how Hillary will deal with the China Sea expansion problem better than Trump.

It's based on the relationship that a senior politician (HOG / executive HOS) builds with the administrative.

I'd be betting that Clinton would understand the relationships required (with Cabinet and Congress) for a President to form a strategy to tackle an issue in the Pacific that the Chinese will, without doubt, present to the next President within the first few months of her Presidency. What that strategy might be will depend on the skill of the advisors and the President's ability to accept it.

So far Trump has been unable to work with any of his advisers (either sacking them or having them walk off the job) which is about as clear an indication as we'll get of how long Trump would be able to keep his cabinet together long enough to advise him of what appropriate action to take.

Even Kennedy ran aground on this point when as a young President he presided over the Bay of Pigs disaster. His decisions, it is suggested, were ultimately fatally flawed by 'groupthink'... But then again he was young and likely not mature enough to comprehend the difference between good advice and subconsciously flattery.

With Trump it would not be 'groupthink' that will likely leave him incapable of hearing the advice he would need to hear, but malignant self-obsession (i.e. the inability to accept advice that does not come from his own impulsive mind) that will leave any decision he makes as fatally flawed.



Trump is clear about what not to compromise. He is an American.

Hillary is very well versed in how to compromise before it's time to compromise. She is like a guilt-ridden German.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Oct 24th, 2016 at 9:08pm

Frank wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 9:03pm:
Trump is clear about what not to compromise. He is an American.

Do you think its just down to being American?

Could you imagine a world where, say, Chinese and/or Russian politicians might be more capable than him in dealing with a character whose as inexperienced and as psychologically flawed (and hopelessly politically inexperienced and incapable) as Trump?



Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 24th, 2016 at 9:50pm

Frank wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 8:43pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 4:52pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 2:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 1:02pm:
The point, as you know very well, is not to create policies, but to hit all the right notes with the bigots. 



No - the point is to represent the popular will rather than be as unmoored from who you represent as the Democrats and the Republicans are now. 


This is not the popular will. It's a distraction created by a certain class of elites and spread through their media.

Hysteria over race is an easy fallback option, but it masks the very real issues that have hit the Western world since the GFC, or the "Great Recession" as it's known in the US.

The "Establishment" response to this economic crisis was to bail out the banks rather than people's home loans. As real wages dropped, corporate salaries soared. As corporate taxes dropped, income taxes remained the same. People lost their homes, jobs and credit worthiness while people like Trump paid no tax at all.

What's the response? A refugee "crisis". A Mexican wall. A terror "threat". For some, it works every time. It worked in Nazi Germany, Stalin's Russia, the Deep South, and it seems to work all over the world when times get tough and the pinch is on. There will always be people to exploit fear and race hate, and they will always be used by your "Establishment" to distract and divert.

Always, absolutely, never ever.



You ARE stupid enough to confuse illegal immigration with race.
You are moving into Mothra, gweggowy, Greens_Win territory: being stupid on purpose.

I didn't think you were quite that stupid but there you area - you ARE that stupid.


You cannot think outside your shopworn 1980s cliches - we see that in your endless repetition of all that same-old-same-old tired tropes.

'Karnal, we are not in Kansas any more'.


Stupid.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 24th, 2016 at 9:53pm
There are signs that discouraged Trump voters may not vote which would spell disaster for many down-ballot GOP candidates.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by mortdooley on Oct 25th, 2016 at 12:47am

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:51pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:24pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:22pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 3:20pm:
Electoral map:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?



If all this shite was to be believed, Hillary is more popular that Obama, Reagen and Bill Clinton put together!!!!   It's so hugely overstated and so obviously and stinkigly a spin that only people like you would take it without blinking!!!!


Wanna make a little wager on the outcome of the election?



Yeah, why not.


Trump wins, I leave this forum forever.

Hillary wins, you leave this forum forever.

No socks.

Agreed?



I have seen your offer for a while now.  If you can get marla to join you I will take your offer if Hillary wins I leave forever. If Trump wins you get her to sign on with you and both of you leave forever! Two for one, how about it?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Lord Herbert on Oct 25th, 2016 at 7:26am

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:51pm:
Trump wins, I leave this forum forever.

Hillary wins, you leave this forum forever.

No socks.

Agreed?


Agreed.

Hillary I win - Trump you lose.

8-)





Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 25th, 2016 at 9:32am

Mortdooley wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 12:47am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:51pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:24pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:22pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 3:20pm:
Electoral map:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?



If all this shite was to be believed, Hillary is more popular that Obama, Reagen and Bill Clinton put together!!!!   It's so hugely overstated and so obviously and stinkigly a spin that only people like you would take it without blinking!!!!


Wanna make a little wager on the outcome of the election?



Yeah, why not.


Trump wins, I leave this forum forever.

Hillary wins, you leave this forum forever.

No socks.

Agreed?



I have seen your offer for a while now.  If you can get marla to join you I will take your offer if Hillary wins I leave forever. If Trump wins you get her to sign on with you and both of you leave forever! Two for one, how about it?


I can't speak for Marla.

Trump wins, I leave this forum forever.

Hillary wins, you leave this forum forever.

No socks.

Agreed?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by cods on Oct 25th, 2016 at 9:44am

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 7:26am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:51pm:
Trump wins, I leave this forum forever.

Hillary wins, you leave this forum forever.

No socks.

Agreed?


Agreed.

Hillary I win - Trump you lose.

8-)



I dont want herb to go forever.....can t see any point in betting on this one .. its hard to separate them really both horrible both have little of no integrity...and both dishonest....put either of them in the oval office... NO NEVER..I wouldnt have it on my conscience.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 25th, 2016 at 9:48am

cods wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 9:44am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 7:26am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:51pm:
Trump wins, I leave this forum forever.

Hillary wins, you leave this forum forever.

No socks.

Agreed?


Agreed.

Hillary I win - Trump you lose.

8-)


.....can t see any point in betting on this one ..


At last, someone with a bit of honesty.

There is absolutely no point in Trump supporters taking me up on my bet, as they know full well that they will lose.

It's all over for the bloated orange douche bag accused of raping at least one child, and sexually assaulting countless women.




Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by cods on Oct 25th, 2016 at 10:02am

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 9:48am:

cods wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 9:44am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 7:26am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:51pm:
Trump wins, I leave this forum forever.

Hillary wins, you leave this forum forever.

No socks.

Agreed?


Agreed.

Hillary I win - Trump you lose.

8-)


.....can t see any point in betting on this one ..


At last, someone with a bit of honesty.

There is absolutely no point in Trump supporters taking me up on my bet, as they know full well that they will lose.

It's all over for the bloated orange douche bag accused of raping at least one child, and sexually assaulting countless women.



I think you are right..however Hillary doens spell WIN not for me at any rate...

its just a toss up which loser will cross the line ahead...

I think we are all about to lose.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 25th, 2016 at 10:11am

cods wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 10:02am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 9:48am:

cods wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 9:44am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 7:26am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:51pm:
Trump wins, I leave this forum forever.

Hillary wins, you leave this forum forever.

No socks.

Agreed?


Agreed.

Hillary I win - Trump you lose.

8-)


.....can t see any point in betting on this one ..


At last, someone with a bit of honesty.

There is absolutely no point in Trump supporters taking me up on my bet, as they know full well that they will lose.

It's all over for the bloated orange douche bag accused of raping at least one child, and sexually assaulting countless women.



I think you are right..however Hillary doens spell WIN not for me at any rate...

its just a toss up which loser will cross the line ahead...

I think we are all about to lose.


Absolutely.

I'm no fan of Ms Clinton's.

America has been well and truly duped on this one.

To think that out of 320 million people, these two are the best they could come up with.



It's like choosing between being kicked in the balls, and being kicked in the balls twice.

Hillary will win the election - there's nothing surer.

Admittedly, it's not a greatest outcome, however, the alternative would be truly disastrous for all involved.



Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by longweekend58 on Oct 25th, 2016 at 10:57am

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 7:43pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 5:59pm:
Trump has always been pro-choice, and now he's pro-life. Pro-drug decriminalization, and now tough on drugs. For the invasion of Iraq, and now against it. For universal health-care, and now against that.

He's used cheap foreign labour to build skyscrapers. He's imported Chinese steel. He's paid big money to Democrat politicians, including "crooked Hillary". Almost every position he takes is the exact opposite of what he once said or did. 


That demonstrates a willingness to hang loose and remain flexible rather than be set in concrete like a Jimmy Hoffa.


You mean a Rudd-like clown who would do absolutely anything and say anything to get elected and then do what he wants anyhow? I might disagree with people on the Left, but as long as they actually hold to their convictions I can respect them. Rudd literally polled to find out what he should believe it. Trump is just as bad.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by longweekend58 on Oct 25th, 2016 at 10:58am

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 8:26pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 8:06pm:
Just wondering if you've ever worked with (or for) state / federal ministers or career politicians ?


I/We've been wondering why you're finding it so difficult to answer the question as to how Hillary will deal with the China Sea expansion problem better than Trump.


Trump comment: "If we have nuclear weapons, why dont we use them?"

Is that not enough to answer how he would deal with it?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Oct 25th, 2016 at 12:56pm

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 10:58am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 8:26pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 8:06pm:
Just wondering if you've ever worked with (or for) state / federal ministers or career politicians ?


I/We've been wondering why you're finding it so difficult to answer the question as to how Hillary will deal with the China Sea expansion problem better than Trump.


Trump comment: "If we have nuclear weapons, why dont we use them?"

Is that not enough to answer how he would deal with it?

That's if his administration would execute the order. On more than one occasion Nixon ordered an extreme order (at least one being a nuclear attack) but his national security advisor / secretary of state (Kissinger) countermanded the order (probably illegally but he did it anyway) because he'd decided that Nixon was not in his right mind.

Given that a former CIA Director (Michael Hayden) has publically suggested that the U.S. military may refuse to follow Trump's orders - an indication of how little faith the military establishment has in Trump's mental health or at least psychological fitness to be President - its likely he will be hamstrung from day one.



Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by mortdooley on Oct 25th, 2016 at 1:19pm
Sixty thousand voted today on the first day of early voting in Houston. Most said they spent a little over two hours in line. We voted in league city this morning and our wait was only about fifteen minutes because they were better prepared. After seeing the turnout I am more sure than ever the Polls are bogus!

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Richdude on Oct 25th, 2016 at 1:29pm

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 10:58am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 8:26pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 8:06pm:
Just wondering if you've ever worked with (or for) state / federal ministers or career politicians ?


I/We've been wondering why you're finding it so difficult to answer the question as to how Hillary will deal with the China Sea expansion problem better than Trump.


Trump comment: "If we have nuclear weapons, why dont we use them?"

Is that not enough to answer how he would deal with it?


Please give the source of that comment.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Oct 25th, 2016 at 1:32pm

Richdude wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 1:29pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 10:58am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 8:26pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 8:06pm:
Just wondering if you've ever worked with (or for) state / federal ministers or career politicians ?


I/We've been wondering why you're finding it so difficult to answer the question as to how Hillary will deal with the China Sea expansion problem better than Trump.


Trump comment: "If we have nuclear weapons, why dont we use them?"

Is that not enough to answer how he would deal with it?


Please give the source of that comment.


it was reported on NBC from a briefing he had with intelligence officials.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by longweekend58 on Oct 25th, 2016 at 2:29pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 12:56pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 10:58am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 8:26pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 8:06pm:
Just wondering if you've ever worked with (or for) state / federal ministers or career politicians ?


I/We've been wondering why you're finding it so difficult to answer the question as to how Hillary will deal with the China Sea expansion problem better than Trump.


Trump comment: "If we have nuclear weapons, why dont we use them?"

Is that not enough to answer how he would deal with it?

That's if his administration would execute the order. On more than one occasion Nixon ordered an extreme order (at least one being a nuclear attack) but his national security advisor / secretary of state (Kissinger) countermanded the order (probably illegally but he did it anyway) because he'd decided that Nixon was not in his right mind.

Given that a former CIA Director (Michael Hayden) has publically suggested that the U.S. military may refuse to follow Trump's orders - an indication of how little faith the military establishment has in Trump's mental health or at least psychological fitness to be President - its likely he will be hamstrung from day one.


The problem is that a military commander who refused to follow orders should be court-martialed. What keeps western countries from military coups is the absolute 100% obedience to the chain of command.

And, Ive never heard of your Nixon scenario and so it sounds pretty much like internet scuttlebut. Such a story would ahve been absolutely huge.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by longweekend58 on Oct 25th, 2016 at 2:32pm

Mortdooley wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 1:19pm:
Sixty thousand voted today on the first day of early voting in Houston. Most said they spent a little over two hours in line. We voted in league city this morning and our wait was only about fifteen minutes because they were better prepared. After seeing the turnout I am more sure than ever the Polls are bogus!


Well here's your little problem. While voluntary voting does inherently make american polls less accurate than ours, they are still pretty good. And remember, this is not a 51/49 split where the result is in the margin of error. This is a 56/44 OR WORSE split where even if they are wrong by several percent, Trump will still be spanked hard. Victory for Trump is simply not even close to being on the horizon.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Oct 25th, 2016 at 2:33pm

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 2:29pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 12:56pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 10:58am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 8:26pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 8:06pm:
Just wondering if you've ever worked with (or for) state / federal ministers or career politicians ?


I/We've been wondering why you're finding it so difficult to answer the question as to how Hillary will deal with the China Sea expansion problem better than Trump.


Trump comment: "If we have nuclear weapons, why dont we use them?"

Is that not enough to answer how he would deal with it?

That's if his administration would execute the order. On more than one occasion Nixon ordered an extreme order (at least one being a nuclear attack) but his national security advisor / secretary of state (Kissinger) countermanded the order (probably illegally but he did it anyway) because he'd decided that Nixon was not in his right mind.

Given that a former CIA Director (Michael Hayden) has publically suggested that the U.S. military may refuse to follow Trump's orders - an indication of how little faith the military establishment has in Trump's mental health or at least psychological fitness to be President - its likely he will be hamstrung from day one.


The problem is that a military commander who refused to follow orders should be court-martialed. What keeps western countries from military coups is the absolute 100% obedience to the chain of command.

And, Ive never heard of your Nixon scenario and so it sounds pretty much like internet scuttlebut. Such a story would ahve been absolutely huge.



I have to admit I've never heard of it either. I have heard about the discussion of possibly using nuclear weapons in Vietnam, but it never got any further than that.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by longweekend58 on Oct 25th, 2016 at 2:47pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 2:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 2:29pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 12:56pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 10:58am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 8:26pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 8:06pm:
Just wondering if you've ever worked with (or for) state / federal ministers or career politicians ?


I/We've been wondering why you're finding it so difficult to answer the question as to how Hillary will deal with the China Sea expansion problem better than Trump.


Trump comment: "If we have nuclear weapons, why dont we use them?"

Is that not enough to answer how he would deal with it?

That's if his administration would execute the order. On more than one occasion Nixon ordered an extreme order (at least one being a nuclear attack) but his national security advisor / secretary of state (Kissinger) countermanded the order (probably illegally but he did it anyway) because he'd decided that Nixon was not in his right mind.

Given that a former CIA Director (Michael Hayden) has publically suggested that the U.S. military may refuse to follow Trump's orders - an indication of how little faith the military establishment has in Trump's mental health or at least psychological fitness to be President - its likely he will be hamstrung from day one.


The problem is that a military commander who refused to follow orders should be court-martialed. What keeps western countries from military coups is the absolute 100% obedience to the chain of command.

And, Ive never heard of your Nixon scenario and so it sounds pretty much like internet scuttlebut. Such a story would ahve been absolutely huge.



I have to admit I've never heard of it either. I have heard about the discussion of possibly using nuclear weapons in Vietnam, but it never got any further than that.



Yes I remember it being raised by a senior politician or general at the time (not sure which) and the President quickly said no.  And that was that.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 25th, 2016 at 3:15pm

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 10:57am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 7:43pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 5:59pm:
Trump has always been pro-choice, and now he's pro-life. Pro-drug decriminalization, and now tough on drugs. For the invasion of Iraq, and now against it. For universal health-care, and now against that.

He's used cheap foreign labour to build skyscrapers. He's imported Chinese steel. He's paid big money to Democrat politicians, including "crooked Hillary". Almost every position he takes is the exact opposite of what he once said or did. 


That demonstrates a willingness to hang loose and remain flexible rather than be set in concrete like a Jimmy Hoffa.


You mean a Rudd-like clown who would do absolutely anything and say anything to get elected and then do what he wants anyhow? I might disagree with people on the Left, but as long as they actually hold to their convictions I can respect them. Rudd literally polled to find out what he should believe it. Trump is just as bad.


Only Longy could turn criticism of Trump into a dump on the ALP.

Yes, Longy, you're that good. 

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Oct 25th, 2016 at 3:26pm

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 2:29pm:
The problem is that a military commander who refused to follow orders should be court-martialed.

Yes. I guess some things are worth being court-martialed over.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Oct 25th, 2016 at 3:34pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 2:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 2:29pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 12:56pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 10:58am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 8:26pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 8:06pm:
Just wondering if you've ever worked with (or for) state / federal ministers or career politicians ?


I/We've been wondering why you're finding it so difficult to answer the question as to how Hillary will deal with the China Sea expansion problem better than Trump.


Trump comment: "If we have nuclear weapons, why dont we use them?"

Is that not enough to answer how he would deal with it?

That's if his administration would execute the order. On more than one occasion Nixon ordered an extreme order (at least one being a nuclear attack) but his national security advisor / secretary of state (Kissinger) countermanded the order (probably illegally but he did it anyway) because he'd decided that Nixon was not in his right mind.

Given that a former CIA Director (Michael Hayden) has publically suggested that the U.S. military may refuse to follow Trump's orders - an indication of how little faith the military establishment has in Trump's mental health or at least psychological fitness to be President - its likely he will be hamstrung from day one.


The problem is that a military commander who refused to follow orders should be court-martialed. What keeps western countries from military coups is the absolute 100% obedience to the chain of command.

And, Ive never heard of your Nixon scenario and so it sounds pretty much like internet scuttlebut. Such a story would ahve been absolutely huge.



I have to admit I've never heard of it either. I have heard about the discussion of possibly using nuclear weapons in Vietnam, but it never got any further than that.

Niall Ferguson's second volume of Kissinger's biography (Ferguson has complete access to all Kissinger's papers) - the first one ending the story in 1968 - will no doubt explain the full detail, but from memory it was during the final death throes of Nixon's Presidency and shortly before his resignation.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by longweekend58 on Oct 25th, 2016 at 3:51pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 3:15pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 10:57am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 7:43pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 5:59pm:
Trump has always been pro-choice, and now he's pro-life. Pro-drug decriminalization, and now tough on drugs. For the invasion of Iraq, and now against it. For universal health-care, and now against that.

He's used cheap foreign labour to build skyscrapers. He's imported Chinese steel. He's paid big money to Democrat politicians, including "crooked Hillary". Almost every position he takes is the exact opposite of what he once said or did. 


That demonstrates a willingness to hang loose and remain flexible rather than be set in concrete like a Jimmy Hoffa.


You mean a Rudd-like clown who would do absolutely anything and say anything to get elected and then do what he wants anyhow? I might disagree with people on the Left, but as long as they actually hold to their convictions I can respect them. Rudd literally polled to find out what he should believe it. Trump is just as bad.


Only Longy could turn criticism of Trump into a dump on the ALP.

Yes, Longy, you're that good. 


Well Rudd literally polled people to find out 'what he believed in'. His policies were whatever was popular and nothing else. Trump is a version of the same thing - promising whatever people want despite being unable to deliver and some things being just plain stupid.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by longweekend58 on Oct 25th, 2016 at 3:53pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 3:26pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 2:29pm:
The problem is that a military commander who refused to follow orders should be court-martialed.

Yes. I guess some things are worth being court-martialed over.


Agreed... but only just. If you are going to break this sacred trust and chain of command you need to have a huge moral imperative to do so, because it will either kill you or send you to jail for a very, very long time.

I presume to have our military follow orders all the time and work instead on making the order-givers a better group of people.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by longweekend58 on Oct 25th, 2016 at 3:54pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 3:34pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 2:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 2:29pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 12:56pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 10:58am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 8:26pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 8:06pm:
Just wondering if you've ever worked with (or for) state / federal ministers or career politicians ?


I/We've been wondering why you're finding it so difficult to answer the question as to how Hillary will deal with the China Sea expansion problem better than Trump.


Trump comment: "If we have nuclear weapons, why dont we use them?"

Is that not enough to answer how he would deal with it?

That's if his administration would execute the order. On more than one occasion Nixon ordered an extreme order (at least one being a nuclear attack) but his national security advisor / secretary of state (Kissinger) countermanded the order (probably illegally but he did it anyway) because he'd decided that Nixon was not in his right mind.

Given that a former CIA Director (Michael Hayden) has publically suggested that the U.S. military may refuse to follow Trump's orders - an indication of how little faith the military establishment has in Trump's mental health or at least psychological fitness to be President - its likely he will be hamstrung from day one.


The problem is that a military commander who refused to follow orders should be court-martialed. What keeps western countries from military coups is the absolute 100% obedience to the chain of command.

And, Ive never heard of your Nixon scenario and so it sounds pretty much like internet scuttlebut. Such a story would ahve been absolutely huge.



I have to admit I've never heard of it either. I have heard about the discussion of possibly using nuclear weapons in Vietnam, but it never got any further than that.

Niall Ferguson's second volume of Kissinger's biography (Ferguson has complete access to all Kissinger's papers) - the first one ending the story in 1968 - will no doubt explain the full detail, but from memory it was during the final death throes of Nixon's Presidency and shortly before his resignation.


It just sounds like the kind of incendiary situation that would have been global news. It sounds a bit over-sold.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Oct 25th, 2016 at 4:49pm

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 3:53pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 3:26pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 2:29pm:
The problem is that a military commander who refused to follow orders should be court-martialed.

Yes. I guess some things are worth being court-martialed over.


Agreed... but only just. If you are going to break this sacred trust and chain of command you need to have a huge moral imperative to do so, because it will either kill you or send you to jail for a very, very long time.

I presume to have our military follow orders all the time and work instead on making the order-givers a better group of people.

Yes... An ideal that even the American 'Founding Fathers' saw fit (via a half-arsed cause) to jettison.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Oct 25th, 2016 at 4:59pm
Any Military Commander, any serviceman for that matter, in any branch of the US Military does not have to blindly obey the direct orders of the President of the United States of America.........because of one extremely important reason, he is under a solemn oath to only obey "Legal" orders, & must, by his oath, disobey an "Unlawful" order....




A Duty to Disobey All Unlawful Orders



Source:     Counter Punch      
Quote:
......... The military oath taken at the time of induction reads:

    “I,____________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to the regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God”



The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) 809.ART.90 (20), makes it clear that military personnel need to obey the “lawful command of his superior officer,” 891.ART.91 (2), the “lawful order of a warrant officer”, 892.ART.92 (1) the “lawful general order”, 892.ART.92 (2) “lawful order”. In each case, military personnel have an obligation and a duty to only obey Lawful orders and indeed have an obligation to disobey Unlawful orders, including orders by the president that do not comply with the UCMJ. The moral and legal obligation is to the U.S. Constitution and not to those who would issue unlawful orders, especially if those orders are in direct violation of the Constitution and the UCMJ.


During the Iran-Contra hearings of 1987, Senator Daniel Inouye of Hawaii, a decorated World War II veteran and hero, told Lt. Col. Oliver North that North was breaking his oath when he blindly followed the commands of Ronald Reagan. As Inouye stated, “The uniform code makes it abundantly clear that it must be the Lawful orders of a superior officer. In fact it says, ‘Members of the military have an obligation to disobey unlawful orders.’ This principle was considered so important that we-we, the government of the United States, proposed that it be internationally applied in the Nuremberg trials.” (Bill Moyers, “The Secret Government”, Seven Locks Press; also in the PBS 1987 documentary, “The Secret Government: The Constitution in Crisis”)

Senator Inouye was referring to the Nuremberg trials in the post WW II era, when the U.S. tried Nazi war criminals and did not allow them to use the reason or excuse that they were only “following orders” as a defense for their war crimes which resulted in the deaths of millions of innocent men, women, and children. “In 1953, the Department of Defense adopted the principles of the Nuremberg Code as official policy” of the United States. (Hasting Center Report, March-April 1991)..................continued (link)


Please note, the oath specifically says he must support & defend the US Constitution.....as his first obligation, to obey the US Constitution, not any person, officer, Country, State, or Congressional Committee. ;)


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Oct 25th, 2016 at 5:09pm

Panther wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 4:59pm:
A Military Commander in any branch of the US Military does not have to blindly obey the direct orders of the President of the United States of America.........because of one extremely important reason, he is under a solemn oath to only obey "Legal" orders, & must, by his oath, disobey an "Unlawful" order....




A Duty to Disobey All Unlawful Orders



Source:     Counter Punch      
Quote:
......... The military oath taken at the time of induction reads:

    “I,____________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to the regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God”



The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) 809.ART.90 (20), makes it clear that military personnel need to obey the “lawful command of his superior officer,” 891.ART.91 (2), the “lawful order of a warrant officer”, 892.ART.92 (1) the “lawful general order”, 892.ART.92 (2) “lawful order”. In each case, military personnel have an obligation and a duty to only obey Lawful orders and indeed have an obligation to disobey Unlawful orders, including orders by the president that do not comply with the UCMJ. The moral and legal obligation is to the U.S. Constitution and not to those who would issue unlawful orders, especially if those orders are in direct violation of the Constitution and the UCMJ.


During the Iran-Contra hearings of 1987, Senator Daniel Inouye of Hawaii, a decorated World War II veteran and hero, told Lt. Col. Oliver North that North was breaking his oath when he blindly followed the commands of Ronald Reagan. As Inouye stated, “The uniform code makes it abundantly clear that it must be the Lawful orders of a superior officer. In fact it says, ‘Members of the military have an obligation to disobey unlawful orders.’ This principle was considered so important that we-we, the government of the United States, proposed that it be internationally applied in the Nuremberg trials.” (Bill Moyers, “The Secret Government”, Seven Locks Press; also in the PBS 1987 documentary, “The Secret Government: The Constitution in Crisis”)

Senator Inouye was referring to the Nuremberg trials in the post WW II era, when the U.S. tried Nazi war criminals and did not allow them to use the reason or excuse that they were only “following orders” as a defense for their war crimes which resulted in the deaths of millions of innocent men, women, and children. “In 1953, the Department of Defense adopted the principles of the Nuremberg Code as official policy” of the United States. (Hasting Center Report, March-April 1991)..................continued (link)


Please note, the oath specifically says he must protect & defend the US Constitution.....he has as his first obligation, to obey the US Constitution, not any person, officer, Country, State, or Congressional Committee. ;)

what side of the moral aisle does the presidential order stand to use nuclear weapons within a current war zone?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by longweekend58 on Oct 25th, 2016 at 5:17pm

Panther wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 4:59pm:
Any Military Commander, any serviceman for that matter, in any branch of the US Military does not have to blindly obey the direct orders of the President of the United States of America.........because of one extremely important reason, he is under a solemn oath to only obey "Legal" orders, & must, by his oath, disobey an "Unlawful" order....




A Duty to Disobey All Unlawful Orders



Source:     Counter Punch      
Quote:
......... The military oath taken at the time of induction reads:

    “I,____________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to the regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God”



The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) 809.ART.90 (20), makes it clear that military personnel need to obey the “lawful command of his superior officer,” 891.ART.91 (2), the “lawful order of a warrant officer”, 892.ART.92 (1) the “lawful general order”, 892.ART.92 (2) “lawful order”. In each case, military personnel have an obligation and a duty to only obey Lawful orders and indeed have an obligation to disobey Unlawful orders, including orders by the president that do not comply with the UCMJ. The moral and legal obligation is to the U.S. Constitution and not to those who would issue unlawful orders, especially if those orders are in direct violation of the Constitution and the UCMJ.


During the Iran-Contra hearings of 1987, Senator Daniel Inouye of Hawaii, a decorated World War II veteran and hero, told Lt. Col. Oliver North that North was breaking his oath when he blindly followed the commands of Ronald Reagan. As Inouye stated, “The uniform code makes it abundantly clear that it must be the Lawful orders of a superior officer. In fact it says, ‘Members of the military have an obligation to disobey unlawful orders.’ This principle was considered so important that we-we, the government of the United States, proposed that it be internationally applied in the Nuremberg trials.” (Bill Moyers, “The Secret Government”, Seven Locks Press; also in the PBS 1987 documentary, “The Secret Government: The Constitution in Crisis”)

Senator Inouye was referring to the Nuremberg trials in the post WW II era, when the U.S. tried Nazi war criminals and did not allow them to use the reason or excuse that they were only “following orders” as a defense for their war crimes which resulted in the deaths of millions of innocent men, women, and children. “In 1953, the Department of Defense adopted the principles of the Nuremberg Code as official policy” of the United States. (Hasting Center Report, March-April 1991)..................continued (link)


Please note, the oath specifically says he must support & defend the US Constitution.....as his first obligation, to obey the US Constitution, not any person, officer, Country, State, or Congressional Committee. ;)


I know what you are saying, but in reality, 'legal' is largely what the President orders with some obvious exceptions. Shooting unarmed civilians is clearly a breach, but that is not really what we are talking about. The orders merely have to be legal. They dont have to be moral, ethical or correct. That doesnt leave an awful lot of wiggle room. Other than clearly unconscionable and illegal orders, I would expect the military to follow all orders largely because, the alternative is worse such as endless coups in dozens of countries.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Oct 25th, 2016 at 5:18pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 5:09pm:

Panther wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 4:59pm:
Any Military Commander, any serviceman for that matter, in any branch of the US Military does not have to blindly obey the direct orders of the President of the United States of America.........because of one extremely important reason, he is under a solemn oath to only obey "Legal" orders, & must, by his oath, disobey an "Unlawful" order....




A Duty to Disobey All Unlawful Orders



Source:     Counter Punch      
Quote:
......... The military oath taken at the time of induction reads:

    “I,____________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to the regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God”



The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) 809.ART.90 (20), makes it clear that military personnel need to obey the “lawful command of his superior officer,” 891.ART.91 (2), the “lawful order of a warrant officer”, 892.ART.92 (1) the “lawful general order”, 892.ART.92 (2) “lawful order”. In each case, military personnel have an obligation and a duty to only obey Lawful orders and indeed have an obligation to disobey Unlawful orders, including orders by the president that do not comply with the UCMJ. The moral and legal obligation is to the U.S. Constitution and not to those who would issue unlawful orders, especially if those orders are in direct violation of the Constitution and the UCMJ.


During the Iran-Contra hearings of 1987, Senator Daniel Inouye of Hawaii, a decorated World War II veteran and hero, told Lt. Col. Oliver North that North was breaking his oath when he blindly followed the commands of Ronald Reagan. As Inouye stated, “The uniform code makes it abundantly clear that it must be the Lawful orders of a superior officer. In fact it says, ‘Members of the military have an obligation to disobey unlawful orders.’ This principle was considered so important that we-we, the government of the United States, proposed that it be internationally applied in the Nuremberg trials.” (Bill Moyers, “The Secret Government”, Seven Locks Press; also in the PBS 1987 documentary, “The Secret Government: The Constitution in Crisis”)

Senator Inouye was referring to the Nuremberg trials in the post WW II era, when the U.S. tried Nazi war criminals and did not allow them to use the reason or excuse that they were only “following orders” as a defense for their war crimes which resulted in the deaths of millions of innocent men, women, and children. “In 1953, the Department of Defense adopted the principles of the Nuremberg Code as official policy” of the United States. (Hasting Center Report, March-April 1991)..................continued (link)


Please note, the oath specifically says he must support & defend the US Constitution.....as his first obligation, to obey the US Constitution, not any person, officer, Country, State, or Congressional Committee. ;)

what side of the moral aisle does the presidential order stand to use nuclear weapons within a current war zone?



A hand-grenade, or a Nuclear Bomb......there is no distinction......Little boom that kills....big boom that kills.

If the order is legal....it must be obeyed, & if the order is illegal, the Commander has the obligation to disobey the order. How one feels morally is a personal matter, not a matter of legality. ;)

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by longweekend58 on Oct 25th, 2016 at 5:19pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 5:09pm:

Panther wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 4:59pm:
A Military Commander in any branch of the US Military does not have to blindly obey the direct orders of the President of the United States of America.........because of one extremely important reason, he is under a solemn oath to only obey "Legal" orders, & must, by his oath, disobey an "Unlawful" order....




A Duty to Disobey All Unlawful Orders



Source:     Counter Punch      
Quote:
......... The military oath taken at the time of induction reads:

    “I,____________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to the regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God”



The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) 809.ART.90 (20), makes it clear that military personnel need to obey the “lawful command of his superior officer,” 891.ART.91 (2), the “lawful order of a warrant officer”, 892.ART.92 (1) the “lawful general order”, 892.ART.92 (2) “lawful order”. In each case, military personnel have an obligation and a duty to only obey Lawful orders and indeed have an obligation to disobey Unlawful orders, including orders by the president that do not comply with the UCMJ. The moral and legal obligation is to the U.S. Constitution and not to those who would issue unlawful orders, especially if those orders are in direct violation of the Constitution and the UCMJ.


During the Iran-Contra hearings of 1987, Senator Daniel Inouye of Hawaii, a decorated World War II veteran and hero, told Lt. Col. Oliver North that North was breaking his oath when he blindly followed the commands of Ronald Reagan. As Inouye stated, “The uniform code makes it abundantly clear that it must be the Lawful orders of a superior officer. In fact it says, ‘Members of the military have an obligation to disobey unlawful orders.’ This principle was considered so important that we-we, the government of the United States, proposed that it be internationally applied in the Nuremberg trials.” (Bill Moyers, “The Secret Government”, Seven Locks Press; also in the PBS 1987 documentary, “The Secret Government: The Constitution in Crisis”)

Senator Inouye was referring to the Nuremberg trials in the post WW II era, when the U.S. tried Nazi war criminals and did not allow them to use the reason or excuse that they were only “following orders” as a defense for their war crimes which resulted in the deaths of millions of innocent men, women, and children. “In 1953, the Department of Defense adopted the principles of the Nuremberg Code as official policy” of the United States. (Hasting Center Report, March-April 1991)..................continued (link)


Please note, the oath specifically says he must protect & defend the US Constitution.....he has as his first obligation, to obey the US Constitution, not any person, officer, Country, State, or Congressional Committee. ;)

what side of the moral aisle does the presidential order stand to use nuclear weapons within a current war zone?


What is the difference between massive conventional assault and a nuke? Only scale of destruction. It is not a question that could be answer outside of a specific context.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by jmjcare on Oct 25th, 2016 at 8:06pm
Clinton will be president because Empire has chosen her: Writer

Oct 24, 2016

Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton will be president of the United States because the American Empire has chosen her, according to Daniel Patrick Welch, an American writer and political analyst.

Welch told Press TV on Monday that Republican candidate Donald Trump is only there to make the entire facade look like a real democracy.

“This election cannot end soon enough. I think that the really important thing to take away from it is that the whole circus is a complete distraction from how power works and how government works in the United States, and in a global system,” the analyst said.

“Donald Trump is a fly, is just a bogeyman to make it easier for people to pretend that they elected this horrific charlatan, this criminal and warmonger in the name and person that is Hillary Clinton,” he stated.

“But you can’t look like a democracy if the person you appoint is despised, and can’t get voted in by a sleeping populace.  So they have this farce,” the commentator added.

On Sunday night, Clinton denounced Trump as a "sore loser" over his refusal to commit to accepting the results of the election next month.

During his final presidential debate with Clinton last week, Trump declared that he might not accept the results of the November 8 presidential poll if there is evidence it was rigged.

"I will look at it at the time. I'm not looking at anything now," Trump said.

Clinton said her opponent’s remarks were more in line with those of dictators in Third World countries.

Welch told Press TV that the reason the US election drags on so long is “because you have to give the people a spectacle.”

“If you have no democracy, if you have no connections between the people and the policies that are approved and instituted by oligarchs, then you have to try all the harder to make it look like that you have a real thing here. So they have this enormous spectacle, which is completely meaningless,” he noted.

The writer said, “Hillary Clinton will be the next president because the oligarchs have chosen her, and the reason they have chosen her is because she follows their script.”

“She’s chomping at the bit to be the kind of vampire’s helper. In the old vampire tradition, vampires needed someone to do their bidding, who could withstand the light of day, who could meet with other humans, and kind of be their interface with the rest of the human race,” he explained.

“And that’s why I think she has been chosen, partly because she is chomping at the bit to implement US foreign policy,” the analyst emphasized.

http://presstv.com/Detail/2016/10/24/490527/US-oligarchs-Hillary-Clinton-president

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Oct 25th, 2016 at 8:25pm

Panther wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 5:18pm:
A hand-grenade, or a Nuclear Bomb......there is no distinction......Little boom that kills....big boom that kills.

If the order is legal....it must be obeyed, & if the order is illegal, the Commander has the obligation to disobey the order. How one feels morally is a personal matter, not a matter of legality.

Exactly.

Clearly that worries the likes of Michael Hayden contemplating the specter of a Trump Presidency.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Oct 25th, 2016 at 8:58pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 8:25pm:

Panther wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 5:18pm:
A hand-grenade, or a Nuclear Bomb......there is no distinction......Little boom that kills....big boom that kills.

If the order is legal....it must be obeyed, & if the order is illegal, the Commander has the obligation to disobey the order. How one feels morally is a personal matter, not a matter of legality.

Exactly.

Clearly that worries the likes of Michael Hayden contemplating the specter of a Trump Presidency.



The only far worse thing than a Trump presidency is a Clinton presidency.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Oct 25th, 2016 at 9:06pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 9:08pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 9:03pm:
Trump is clear about what not to compromise. He is an American.

Do you think its just down to being American?

Could you imagine a world where, say, Chinese and/or Russian politicians might be more capable than him in dealing with a character whose as inexperienced and as psychologically flawed (and hopelessly politically inexperienced and incapable) as Trump?



Typically, you formulate the question in a stupidly flawed and flopsided way.


The American political system is far more robust and stable than anything that has come out of Russia or China, ever.

In the long run - or the short run for that matter - neither the Chinese nor the Russian political system has a chance against the American system.



Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Oct 25th, 2016 at 9:12pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 4:52pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 2:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 1:02pm:
The point, as you know very well, is not to create policies, but to hit all the right notes with the bigots. 



No - the point is to represent the popular will rather than be as unmoored from who you represent as the Democrats and the Republicans are now. 


This is not the popular will. It's a distraction created by a certain class of elites and spread through their media.

Hysteria over race is an easy fallback option, but it masks the very real issues that have hit the Western world since the GFC, or the "Great Recession" as it's known in the US.

The "Establishment" response to this economic crisis was to bail out the banks rather than people's home loans. As real wages dropped, corporate salaries soared. As corporate taxes dropped, income taxes remained the same. People lost their homes, jobs and credit worthiness while people like Trump paid no tax at all.

What's the response? A refugee "crisis". A Mexican wall. A terror "threat". For some, it works every time. It worked in Nazi Germany, Stalin's Russia, the Deep South, and it seems to work all over the world when times get tough and the pinch is on. There will always be people to exploit fear and race hate, and they will always be used by your "Establishment" to distract and divert.

Always, absolutely, never ever.

It is much harder to show the causes of economic inequality than it is to find a figure to blame. Immigration has kept our economies going. In the developed world, we don't have the population to ensure the economic growth we've become used to. It's hard to show how good terms of trade keep the prices of goods down or make credit easily available. It's hard to show how an increasing population creates the demand that stimulates economies and how this translates into decent returns on investment through compound interest. The term compound interest is inherently boring. Try putting it on a chart and showing an old boy. Impossible.

Instead, put on a show like Cops or Border Security and show the underclass rampaging on our streets and foreigners trying to get one over us. Put dodgy tinted scammers on current affairs TV and Musel daily madness on the tabloid front pages.

While those in the know try to ignore the porkies and distortions - your "Establishment"; those who have countries to run and things to manage and do - people like Farange and Wilders and Our Pauline rise up to exploit them. If someone like Turnbull comes out to say how Australia has been made far better because of immigration - almost 50% of us are immigrants or the children of immigrants ourselves - those like Herbie, Bogie, Sprint and your good self rail against it, despite all of you being immigrants too.

How do you reason with such delusion? How do you deal with it? For every false statistic or fact you address, there's ten more porkies appearing, and another ten, and another.

Take Brexit. A majority of Poms voted to pull out of Europe based largely on recent terror attacks in France and Brussels - attacks carried out by Arab and African refugees. A majority voted to pull out because they feared the presence of refugees from the continent, coming up from Africa and into Britain via the channel tunnel.

But these refugees can't legally get into Britain anyway. Britain is not part of the Schengen agreement that removed European borders. In effect, England has had to watch its economy crumble based on an unrebutted lie. Why?

Try making the Schengen Agreement sound interesting. I mean, theoretically I guess you could, but try putting it on the front page of the Sun or UK Daily Mail. The tabloids are in on it, and not so much because they like telling fibs, but they just make for an easier and more compelling read.

Just watch. Before long, the tabloids will come up with a way to blame the state of the UK economy on the tinted races. You'll even make this case yourself. The more delusional the argument is, the more it gets parroted. Look at Trump - he can spread the most ridiculous porkies, and even if they can be caught up with and disputed, you'll be busy quoting the next one, and the next. You're doing it already, pretending a media-hyped billionaire is a victim of the media and a man of the people.

You never listen. When it all comes crashing down, as it inevitably does, you'll forgive and move on and, inexplicably, forget. You forget your stance on Iraq, one minute baying for Muslim blood and jerking off to the war footage, and only 3 years later, acknowledging it was a war that could never be won and should never have been started to begin with. Homo's even blaming Hillary Clinton - for a war he loved at the time because it put Iraqis in their place.

You know, 200,000 men, women and children killed for their complicity in Sept 11. That'll show them. And now?

Hillary's a warmonger. 

There is no way to confront such hypocrisy and doublethink. I do try, but I always fail. Ultimately, there is only one real argument that will work on you. Sprint, a born-again Christian, makes the case well:

Kill them.

Typical gasbag crap.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 25th, 2016 at 10:00pm

Frank wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 9:12pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 4:52pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 2:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 1:02pm:
The point, as you know very well, is not to create policies, but to hit all the right notes with the bigots. 



No - the point is to represent the popular will rather than be as unmoored from who you represent as the Democrats and the Republicans are now. 


This is not the popular will. It's a distraction created by a certain class of elites and spread through their media.

Hysteria over race is an easy fallback option, but it masks the very real issues that have hit the Western world since the GFC, or the "Great Recession" as it's known in the US.

The "Establishment" response to this economic crisis was to bail out the banks rather than people's home loans. As real wages dropped, corporate salaries soared. As corporate taxes dropped, income taxes remained the same. People lost their homes, jobs and credit worthiness while people like Trump paid no tax at all.

What's the response? A refugee "crisis". A Mexican wall. A terror "threat". For some, it works every time. It worked in Nazi Germany, Stalin's Russia, the Deep South, and it seems to work all over the world when times get tough and the pinch is on. There will always be people to exploit fear and race hate, and they will always be used by your "Establishment" to distract and divert.

Always, absolutely, never ever.

It is much harder to show the causes of economic inequality than it is to find a figure to blame. Immigration has kept our economies going. In the developed world, we don't have the population to ensure the economic growth we've become used to. It's hard to show how good terms of trade keep the prices of goods down or make credit easily available. It's hard to show how an increasing population creates the demand that stimulates economies and how this translates into decent returns on investment through compound interest. The term compound interest is inherently boring. Try putting it on a chart and showing an old boy. Impossible.

Instead, put on a show like Cops or Border Security and show the underclass rampaging on our streets and foreigners trying to get one over us. Put dodgy tinted scammers on current affairs TV and Musel daily madness on the tabloid front pages.

While those in the know try to ignore the porkies and distortions - your "Establishment"; those who have countries to run and things to manage and do - people like Farange and Wilders and Our Pauline rise up to exploit them. If someone like Turnbull comes out to say how Australia has been made far better because of immigration - almost 50% of us are immigrants or the children of immigrants ourselves - those like Herbie, Bogie, Sprint and your good self rail against it, despite all of you being immigrants too.

How do you reason with such delusion? How do you deal with it? For every false statistic or fact you address, there's ten more porkies appearing, and another ten, and another.

Take Brexit. A majority of Poms voted to pull out of Europe based largely on recent terror attacks in France and Brussels - attacks carried out by Arab and African refugees. A majority voted to pull out because they feared the presence of refugees from the continent, coming up from Africa and into Britain via the channel tunnel.

But these refugees can't legally get into Britain anyway. Britain is not part of the Schengen agreement that removed European borders. In effect, England has had to watch its economy crumble based on an unrebutted lie. Why?

Try making the Schengen Agreement sound interesting. I mean, theoretically I guess you could, but try putting it on the front page of the Sun or UK Daily Mail. The tabloids are in on it, and not so much because they like telling fibs, but they just make for an easier and more compelling read.

Just watch. Before long, the tabloids will come up with a way to blame the state of the UK economy on the tinted races. You'll even make this case yourself. The more delusional the argument is, the more it gets parroted. Look at Trump - he can spread the most ridiculous porkies, and even if they can be caught up with and disputed, you'll be busy quoting the next one, and the next. You're doing it already, pretending a media-hyped billionaire is a victim of the media and a man of the people.

You never listen. When it all comes crashing down, as it inevitably does, you'll forgive and move on and, inexplicably, forget. You forget your stance on Iraq, one minute baying for Muslim blood and jerking off to the war footage, and only 3 years later, acknowledging it was a war that could never be won and should never have been started to begin with. Homo's even blaming Hillary Clinton - for a war he loved at the time because it put Iraqis in their place.

You know, 200,000 men, women and children killed for their complicity in Sept 11. That'll show them. And now?

Hillary's a warmonger. 

There is no way to confront such hypocrisy and doublethink. I do try, but I always fail. Ultimately, there is only one real argument that will work on you. Sprint, a born-again Christian, makes the case well:

Kill them.

Typical gasbag crap.


Typical.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Oct 25th, 2016 at 10:54pm

Frank wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 9:06pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 9:08pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 9:03pm:
Trump is clear about what not to compromise. He is an American.

Do you think its just down to being American?

Could you imagine a world where, say, Chinese and/or Russian politicians might be more capable than him in dealing with a character whose as inexperienced and as psychologically flawed (and hopelessly politically inexperienced and incapable) as Trump?



Typically, you formulate the question in a stupidly flawed and flopsided way

Yes a bit mangled... Ran out of time to recast the question...

My point being that there's a reason that the Chinese and Russians are 'praying' for a Trump Presidency... And it's not for the greater glory of the USA

Which is interesting in that Trump supporters like yourself have at least one thing in common with Chinese and Russian leaders.



Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 25th, 2016 at 11:04pm
schitt on your pointless commentary - HRC has an 85.9% chance of winning as of 15 minutes ago

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Emma Peel on Oct 25th, 2016 at 11:07pm

cods wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 9:44am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 7:26am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 4:51pm:
Trump wins, I leave this forum forever.

Hillary wins, you leave this forum forever.

No socks.

Agreed?


Agreed.

Hillary I win - Trump you lose.

8-)



................................... its hard to separate them really both horrible both have little of no integrity...and both dishonest....put either of them in the oval office... NO NEVER..I wouldnt have it on my conscience.


Well then, aren't you glad it has nothing to do with your conscience..??
The world is what it is Cods. This US Election is both amusing and horrifying.  Clinton is no worse than any other politician, and better than most.  Such is the situation.

Nothing to lose sleep over.   ( Notice??  lose.. as opposed to loose...two totally different concepts)




Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Oct 25th, 2016 at 11:14pm

AiA wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 11:04pm:
schitt on your pointless commentary - HRC has an 85.9% chance of winning as of 15 minutes ago

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Apart from the few resident whackos here, we're all in 'violent agreement ' with you!
V

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Emma Peel on Oct 25th, 2016 at 11:31pm
Sad to see that jmjcare has popped up on this topic. BEWARE PEOPLE... here lies MONSTERS.




jmjcare wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 8:06pm:
“She’s chomping at the bit to be the kind of vampire’s helper. In the old vampire tradition, vampires needed someone to do their bidding, who could withstand the light of day, who could meet with other humans, and kind of be their interface with the rest of the human race,” he explained.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 25th, 2016 at 11:32pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 11:14pm:

AiA wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 11:04pm:
schitt on your pointless commentary - HRC has an 85.9% chance of winning as of 15 minutes ago

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Apart from the few resident whackos here, we're all in 'violent agreement ' with you!
V



don't agree with me. i am simply tracking the predictions of Nate Silver in this thread. Trump could still win. Unlikely. But possible.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Emma Peel on Oct 25th, 2016 at 11:43pm
ANYTHING is possible.. but ..?  Not the Creep.
Uh uhn.. no way.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Marla on Oct 26th, 2016 at 2:24am
https://youtu.be/NjrsN0mEVoo

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by longweekend58 on Oct 26th, 2016 at 8:17am

jmjcare wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 8:06pm:
Clinton will be president because Empire has chosen her: Writer

Oct 24, 2016

Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton will be president of the United States because the American Empire has chosen her, according to Daniel Patrick Welch, an American writer and political analyst.

Welch told Press TV on Monday that Republican candidate Donald Trump is only there to make the entire facade look like a real democracy.

“This election cannot end soon enough. I think that the really important thing to take away from it is that the whole circus is a complete distraction from how power works and how government works in the United States, and in a global system,” the analyst said.

“Donald Trump is a fly, is just a bogeyman to make it easier for people to pretend that they elected this horrific charlatan, this criminal and warmonger in the name and person that is Hillary Clinton,” he stated.

“But you can’t look like a democracy if the person you appoint is despised, and can’t get voted in by a sleeping populace.  So they have this farce,” the commentator added.

On Sunday night, Clinton denounced Trump as a "sore loser" over his refusal to commit to accepting the results of the election next month.

During his final presidential debate with Clinton last week, Trump declared that he might not accept the results of the November 8 presidential poll if there is evidence it was rigged.

"I will look at it at the time. I'm not looking at anything now," Trump said.

Clinton said her opponent’s remarks were more in line with those of dictators in Third World countries.

Welch told Press TV that the reason the US election drags on so long is “because you have to give the people a spectacle.”

“If you have no democracy, if you have no connections between the people and the policies that are approved and instituted by oligarchs, then you have to try all the harder to make it look like that you have a real thing here. So they have this enormous spectacle, which is completely meaningless,” he noted.

The writer said, “Hillary Clinton will be the next president because the oligarchs have chosen her, and the reason they have chosen her is because she follows their script.”

“She’s chomping at the bit to be the kind of vampire’s helper. In the old vampire tradition, vampires needed someone to do their bidding, who could withstand the light of day, who could meet with other humans, and kind of be their interface with the rest of the human race,” he explained.

“And that’s why I think she has been chosen, partly because she is chomping at the bit to implement US foreign policy,” the analyst emphasized.

http://presstv.com/Detail/2016/10/24/490527/US-oligarchs-Hillary-Clinton-president



What a load of rubbish.  People actually vote without coercion and those votes are actually counted.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Oct 26th, 2016 at 8:21am
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Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Marla on Oct 26th, 2016 at 2:07pm
Meanwhile, the paranoid orange fat man once again doesn't have clue smacking one what's he's talking about
https://youtu.be/CTdRzsb6yPg

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 26th, 2016 at 2:16pm

Marla wrote on Oct 26th, 2016 at 2:07pm:
Meanwhile, the paranoid orange fat man once again doesn't have clue smacking one what's he's talking about
https://youtu.be/CTdRzsb6yPg


Trump is a disaster.

He's gotta be repealed and replaced.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by longweekend58 on Oct 26th, 2016 at 4:16pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 26th, 2016 at 2:16pm:

Marla wrote on Oct 26th, 2016 at 2:07pm:
Meanwhile, the paranoid orange fat man once again doesn't have clue smacking one what's he's talking about
https://youtu.be/CTdRzsb6yPg


Trump is a disaster.

He's gotta be repealed and replaced.


or simply 'peeled'.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 26th, 2016 at 4:17pm

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 26th, 2016 at 4:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 26th, 2016 at 2:16pm:

Marla wrote on Oct 26th, 2016 at 2:07pm:
Meanwhile, the paranoid orange fat man once again doesn't have clue smacking one what's he's talking about
https://youtu.be/CTdRzsb6yPg


Trump is a disaster.

He's gotta be repealed and replaced.


or simply 'peeled'.




Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 26th, 2016 at 4:22pm

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 26th, 2016 at 8:17am:

jmjcare wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 8:06pm:
Clinton will be president because Empire has chosen her: Writer

Oct 24, 2016

Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton will be president of the United States because the American Empire has chosen her, according to Daniel Patrick Welch, an American writer and political analyst.

Welch told Press TV on Monday that Republican candidate Donald Trump is only there to make the entire facade look like a real democracy.

“This election cannot end soon enough. I think that the really important thing to take away from it is that the whole circus is a complete distraction from how power works and how government works in the United States, and in a global system,” the analyst said.

“Donald Trump is a fly, is just a bogeyman to make it easier for people to pretend that they elected this horrific charlatan, this criminal and warmonger in the name and person that is Hillary Clinton,” he stated.

“But you can’t look like a democracy if the person you appoint is despised, and can’t get voted in by a sleeping populace.  So they have this farce,” the commentator added.

On Sunday night, Clinton denounced Trump as a "sore loser" over his refusal to commit to accepting the results of the election next month.

During his final presidential debate with Clinton last week, Trump declared that he might not accept the results of the November 8 presidential poll if there is evidence it was rigged.

"I will look at it at the time. I'm not looking at anything now," Trump said.

Clinton said her opponent’s remarks were more in line with those of dictators in Third World countries.

Welch told Press TV that the reason the US election drags on so long is “because you have to give the people a spectacle.”

“If you have no democracy, if you have no connections between the people and the policies that are approved and instituted by oligarchs, then you have to try all the harder to make it look like that you have a real thing here. So they have this enormous spectacle, which is completely meaningless,” he noted.

The writer said, “Hillary Clinton will be the next president because the oligarchs have chosen her, and the reason they have chosen her is because she follows their script.”

“She’s chomping at the bit to be the kind of vampire’s helper. In the old vampire tradition, vampires needed someone to do their bidding, who could withstand the light of day, who could meet with other humans, and kind of be their interface with the rest of the human race,” he explained.

“And that’s why I think she has been chosen, partly because she is chomping at the bit to implement US foreign policy,” the analyst emphasized.

http://presstv.com/Detail/2016/10/24/490527/US-oligarchs-Hillary-Clinton-president



What a load of rubbish.  People actually vote without coercion and those votes are actually counted.


No no, this is all true. By nominating Trump, they've turned this erection into a spectacle. The US republic has become a circus.

It was a high-risk strategy, as we all know. Trump still has a chance of becoming president.

If Hillary is proven to be a reptilian alien or a body-double or a lesbian adulterer or all of the other claims made here on a daily basis, the circus will continue for the next 4 years.

We know what it's like down under, we had Mr Abbott. And he wasn't nearly as funny.

Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Oct 26th, 2016 at 7:25pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 26th, 2016 at 4:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 26th, 2016 at 8:17am:

jmjcare wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 8:06pm:
Clinton will be president because Empire has chosen her: Writer

Oct 24, 2016

Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton will be president of the United States because the American Empire has chosen her, according to Daniel Patrick Welch, an American writer and political analyst.

Welch told Press TV on Monday that Republican candidate Donald Trump is only there to make the entire facade look like a real democracy.

“This election cannot end soon enough. I think that the really important thing to take away from it is that the whole circus is a complete distraction from how power works and how government works in the United States, and in a global system,” the analyst said.

“Donald Trump is a fly, is just a bogeyman to make it easier for people to pretend that they elected this horrific charlatan, this criminal and warmonger in the name and person that is Hillary Clinton,” he stated.

“But you can’t look like a democracy if the person you appoint is despised, and can’t get voted in by a sleeping populace.  So they have this farce,” the commentator added.

On Sunday night, Clinton denounced Trump as a "sore loser" over his refusal to commit to accepting the results of the election next month.

During his final presidential debate with Clinton last week, Trump declared that he might not accept the results of the November 8 presidential poll if there is evidence it was rigged.

"I will look at it at the time. I'm not looking at anything now," Trump said.

Clinton said her opponent’s remarks were more in line with those of dictators in Third World countries.

Welch told Press TV that the reason the US election drags on so long is “because you have to give the people a spectacle.”

“If you have no democracy, if you have no connections between the people and the policies that are approved and instituted by oligarchs, then you have to try all the harder to make it look like that you have a real thing here. So they have this enormous spectacle, which is completely meaningless,” he noted.

The writer said, “Hillary Clinton will be the next president because the oligarchs have chosen her, and the reason they have chosen her is because she follows their script.”

“She’s chomping at the bit to be the kind of vampire’s helper. In the old vampire tradition, vampires needed someone to do their bidding, who could withstand the light of day, who could meet with other humans, and kind of be their interface with the rest of the human race,” he explained.

“And that’s why I think she has been chosen, partly because she is chomping at the bit to implement US foreign policy,” the analyst emphasized.

http://presstv.com/Detail/2016/10/24/490527/US-oligarchs-Hillary-Clinton-president



What a load of rubbish.  People actually vote without coercion and those votes are actually counted.


No no, this is all true. By nominating Trump, they've turned this erection into a spectacle. The US republic has become a circus.

It was a high-risk strategy, as we all know. Trump still has a chance of becoming president.

If Hillary is proven to be a reptilian alien or a body-double or a lesbian adulterer or all of the other claims made here on a daily basis, the circus will continue for the next 4 years.

We know what it's like down under, we had Mr Abbott. And he wasn't nearly as funny.

Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge.


Riiiiiiiiight!        

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmiTK0EfeBc





Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 26th, 2016 at 7:44pm
Well, it may not happen overnight, Panther, but it will happen.

Good government starts today. It starts every day.

And thank heavens for that.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 26th, 2016 at 7:49pm

Trump warns of World War III if Clinton is elected

By Jeremy Diamond, CNN

Updated 0255 GMT (1055 HKT) October 26, 2016



(CNN)Donald Trump warned in an interview Tuesday that Hillary Clinton's policies as president to address the Syrian conflict would lead to World War III, arguing the Democratic nominee would draw the US into armed confrontation with Russia, Syria and Iran.
"What we should do is focus on ISIS. We should not be focusing on Syria," Trump told Reuters on Tuesday morning at his resort in Doral, Florida. "You're going to end up in World War III over Syria if we listen to Hillary Clinton."


http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/25/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-world-war-iii-syria/index.html

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 26th, 2016 at 8:32pm
You can't quote that, Bobbie, it's mainstream media. Even if Trump did say that, it should not be reported.

We'll let Bogie provide the sources here. Bogie?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Oct 26th, 2016 at 9:17pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 10:54pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 25th, 2016 at 9:06pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 9:08pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 24th, 2016 at 9:03pm:
Trump is clear about what not to compromise. He is an American.

Do you think its just down to being American?

Could you imagine a world where, say, Chinese and/or Russian politicians might be more capable than him in dealing with a character whose as inexperienced and as psychologically flawed (and hopelessly politically inexperienced and incapable) as Trump?



Typically, you formulate the question in a stupidly flawed and flopsided way

Yes a bit mangled... Ran out of time to recast the question...

My point being that there's a reason that the Chinese and Russians are 'praying' for a Trump Presidency... And it's not for the greater glory of the USA

Which is interesting in that Trump supporters like yourself have at least one thing in common with Chinese and Russian leaders.



It is far, far bigger than Trump by now.  That's the point that you either see (I do) or you don't (you don't).



The Trump phenomenon is not about Trump. All you blowhards carry on as if it was about Trump. You are way behind the 888th ball.

You are missing everything because you are thinking like it's 1992 or some silly year back when you were young. 


It''s not about Trump. It;s about the stuff he is talking about - as do Le Pen, Wilders, AfD, Orban, the Swiss People's Party, the Austrians, the True Finns, etc, etc. That toothpaste is NOT going back into the Clinton/Obama/Merkel/Hollande tube.

It's over.  Managing the mob with bromides Hillary shite is over. OVER.  If America elect Clinton then it will signal the end of America - the world will see that Americans have no will to be 'Americans' any more and that they'd rather be like a big Luxembourg.

But who needs a big Luxembourg? Nobody.  Clinton is the end of America.  And god help us if America abdicates by electing Clinton.i









Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 26th, 2016 at 9:18pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 26th, 2016 at 8:32pm:
You can't quote that, Bobbie, it's mainstream media. Even if Trump did say that, it should not be reported.

We'll let Bogie provide the sources here. Bogie?




No way - Hillary will win & WW3 will start in Syria.

It can't be stopped now.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Emma Peel on Oct 26th, 2016 at 10:17pm
well Frank...I think I know what you are saying,  but you have seriously lost the plot. Turn that through 180' and you'll be getting close.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 26th, 2016 at 10:29pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 26th, 2016 at 9:18pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 26th, 2016 at 8:32pm:
You can't quote that, Bobbie, it's mainstream media. Even if Trump did say that, it should not be reported.

We'll let Bogie provide the sources here. Bogie?




No way - Hillary will win & WW3 will start in Syria.

It can't be stopped now.


Yes, I suppose you're right.

Oh, well. At least Bogie warned us not to vote her in.

Looks like you were right after all, Bogie.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 26th, 2016 at 11:07pm
As of 7 minutes ago statistician Nate Silver gives HRC an 84.6% chance of winning:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Emma Peel on Oct 26th, 2016 at 11:17pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 26th, 2016 at 10:29pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 26th, 2016 at 9:18pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 26th, 2016 at 8:32pm:
You can't quote that, Bobbie, it's mainstream media. Even if Trump did say that, it should not be reported.

We'll let Bogie provide the sources here. Bogie?




No way - Hillary will win & WW3 will start in Syria.

It can't be stopped now.


Yes, I suppose you're right.

Oh, well. At least Bogie warned us not to vote her in.

Looks like you were right after all, Bogie.


Humor.... ;D ;D




Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Oct 26th, 2016 at 11:19pm

Frank wrote on Oct 26th, 2016 at 9:17pm:
It is far, far bigger than Trump by now.  That's the point that you either see (I do) or you don't (you don't).

The Trump phenomenon is not about Trump. All you blowhards carry on as if it was about Trump. You are way behind the 888th ball.

Don't flatter yourself... It's not hard to see that the American public has its issues with Clinton...

And yes, of course, Trump supporters are people who have stopped believing in something and have taken up believing in anything.

The Trump phenomenon (as you put it) is life imitating art with its anthropomorphizing of the Aesopian fable - 'The Hawk, The Kite, and The Pigeons'.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Emma Peel on Oct 27th, 2016 at 12:13am
Oh well, not long to go now.

I don't think, and never have, the outcome is in doubt. Imean seriously people ,  no-one with an IQ above 100 would even consider that The Creep would be President. It just defies all logic.
(one hopes the American public does have an IQ above 100.)

;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Lord Herbert on Oct 27th, 2016 at 5:13am

Emma wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 12:13am:
Oh well, not long to go now.

I don't think, and never have, the outcome is in doubt. Imean seriously people ,  no-one with an IQ above 100 would even consider that The Creep would be President. It just defies all logic.
(one hopes the American public does have an IQ above 100.)

;D ;D ;D


It poses an interesting moral dilemma : Should a person's deviant habits be enough to bar him from ascending to national leadership even if he has the qualities needed to be a great leader?

Alexander the Great was a notorious homosexual whose private tent was a nightly riot of endless buggery and gay horse-play.

Hadrian of 'Hadrian's Wall' in the UK was another notorious homosexual.

Kemal Ataturk was a paedophile who had his own private harem of both boys and girls of which even his close associates disapproved of.

Should Trump's habit of groping women bar him from the position of Presidency?


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:29am
That depends, Herbie. If those deviant habits include groping the wives of foreign heads of state, possibly. Still, I guess you could cover that one up - just make the mainstream media shut up about it.

But if those deviant habits include groping a consenting intern, it should be on the nightly news for 6 months and impeachment proceedings should go ahead.

I mean, it's that simple, okay?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:38am

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 5:13am:

Emma wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 12:13am:
Oh well, not long to go now.

I don't think, and never have, the outcome is in doubt. Imean seriously people ,  no-one with an IQ above 100 would even consider that The Creep would be President. It just defies all logic.
(one hopes the American public does have an IQ above 100.)

;D ;D ;D


It poses an interesting moral dilemma : Should a person's deviant habits be enough to bar him from ascending to national leadership even if he has the qualities needed to be a great leader?

Alexander the Great was a notorious homosexual whose private tent was a nightly riot of endless buggery and gay horse-play.

Hadrian of 'Hadrian's Wall' in the UK was another notorious homosexual.

Kemal Ataturk was a paedophile who had his own private harem of both boys and girls of which even his close associates disapproved of.

Should Trump's habit of groping women bar him from the position of Presidency?



That's a good point too. Trump could always get a private harem.

He pretty much had this in the Miss Amerika change rooms, so why not the White House?

The contestants signed non-disclosure agreements - all Trump's staff do. Trump plans to get public servants to do the same. If they dare to speak out, Trump ties them up in court until they submit.

A good idea, Herb. Should Trump announce it as a policy, or should it be kept Top Secret?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Oct 27th, 2016 at 8:14am
A Note in Passing:



Quote:
Ode To The Welfare State

Father, must we work to eat?
Oh no my lucky son,
We’re living on easy street with dough from Washington.
We’ve left it up to Uncle Sam; now don’t get exercised.
Nobody has to give a wham, we’ve all been subsidized!
But if Sam treats us all so well, and feeds us milk and honey,
Please tell me, Daddy, where oh where he’s going to get the money?
Don’t worry, son, there ain’t no hitch in this here noble plan;
He simply soaks the filthy rich and helps the common man!
But Daddy, won’t there come a time if we take all their cash,
When they’ll be left without a dime and things will go to smash?
My faith in you is shrinking, son you nosey little brat;
You do too much thinking, boy, to be a Democrat!



Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Sprintcyclist on Oct 27th, 2016 at 11:24am


Quote:
With less than two weeks to go, the race for the White House has narrowed as Hillary Clinton now has a three-point advantage over Donald Trump.

That’s within the margin of error of the national Fox News Poll of likely voters.

Clinton is ahead of Trump by 44-41 percent.  Another one-in-ten back a third-party candidate and four percent are undecided.  Last week she was up by six points (45-39 percent) and before that by seven (45-38 percent)......... 


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/26/fox-news-poll-clinton-leads-trump-by-three-points.html

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 27th, 2016 at 11:40am

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 5:13am:

Emma wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 12:13am:
Oh well, not long to go now.

I don't think, and never have, the outcome is in doubt. Imean seriously people ,  no-one with an IQ above 100 would even consider that The Creep would be President. It just defies all logic.
(one hopes the American public does have an IQ above 100.)

;D ;D ;D


It poses an interesting moral dilemma : Should a person's deviant habits be enough to bar him from ascending to national leadership even if he has the qualities needed to be a great leader?

Alexander the Great was a notorious homosexual whose private tent was a nightly riot of endless buggery and gay horse-play.

Hadrian of 'Hadrian's Wall' in the UK was another notorious homosexual.

Should Trump's habit of groping women bar him from the position of Presidency?



Linking sexual assault and rape to consensual homosexuality.

Herr-bert is off on his morning troll.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Fireball on Oct 27th, 2016 at 1:59pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 11:40am:
Herr-bert is off on his morning troll.


And Haem-horriod 'is off' on his hourly 'troll'.



Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 27th, 2016 at 2:09pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 5:13am:

Emma wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 12:13am:
Oh well, not long to go now.

I don't think, and never have, the outcome is in doubt. Imean seriously people ,  no-one with an IQ above 100 would even consider that The Creep would be President. It just defies all logic.
(one hopes the American public does have an IQ above 100.)

;D ;D ;D


It poses an interesting moral dilemma : Should a person's deviant habits be enough to bar him from ascending to national leadership even if he has the qualities needed to be a great leader?


Does Trump have the qualities to be a great leader?

If so, what do you believe those qualities are?



Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Lord Herbert on Oct 27th, 2016 at 3:03pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 2:09pm:
Does Trump have the qualities to be a great leader?

If so, what do you believe those qualities are?


He's not a politician by trade.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 27th, 2016 at 3:10pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 2:09pm:
Does Trump have the qualities to be a great leader?

If so, what do you believe those qualities are?


He's not a politician by trade.


A good thing, agreed.

However, I don't see any qualities that would make him a great leader.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Fireball on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:07pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 3:10pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 2:09pm:
Does Trump have the qualities to be a great leader?

If so, what do you believe those qualities are?


He's not a politician by trade.


A good thing, agreed.

However, I don't see any qualities that would make him a great leader.


So, what are the 'qualities' you think make Clinton a potentially 'great leader'........lies, corruption, general dishonesty.......just like the niqqa keeping the seat warm.....

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Fireball on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:08pm
...

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:09pm

Fuzzball wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 3:10pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 2:09pm:
Does Trump have the qualities to be a great leader?

If so, what do you believe those qualities are?


He's not a politician by trade.


A good thing, agreed.

However, I don't see any qualities that would make him a great leader.


So, what are the 'qualities' you think make Clinton a potentially 'great leader'.......


None.

I don't like Clinton.

Never have.



Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by mothra on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:15pm
Niqqa keeping the seat warm?

The idiots on here actually proud of their racism never cease to amaze me.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:22pm

mothra wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:15pm:
Niqqa keeping the seat warm?

The idiots on here actually proud of their racism never cease to amaze me.


It goes without saying, of course, that these idiots would never say such things to anyone's face.

Cowards, every last one of them.





Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:24pm

mothra wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:15pm:
Niqqa keeping the seat warm?

The idiots on here actually proud of their racism never cease to amaze me.


Matty doesn't have much else to occupy his mind, Mother.

At least he's a racist.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by mothra on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:33pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:22pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:15pm:
Niqqa keeping the seat warm?

The idiots on here actually proud of their racism never cease to amaze me.


It goes without saying, of course, that these idiots would never say such things to anyone's face.

Cowards, every last one of them.



Not unless they were wearing a sheet at least.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by mothra on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:41pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:24pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:15pm:
Niqqa keeping the seat warm?

The idiots on here actually proud of their racism never cease to amaze me.


Matty doesn't have much else to occupy his mind, Mother.

At least he's a racist.



If only his chosen field of expertise built character.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 27th, 2016 at 5:51pm

mothra wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:22pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:15pm:
Niqqa keeping the seat warm?

The idiots on here actually proud of their racism never cease to amaze me.


It goes without saying, of course, that these idiots would never say such things to anyone's face.

Cowards, every last one of them.



Not unless they were wearing a sheet at least.


And in a mob.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 27th, 2016 at 5:54pm

mothra wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:41pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:24pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:15pm:
Niqqa keeping the seat warm?

The idiots on here actually proud of their racism never cease to amaze me.


Matty doesn't have much else to occupy his mind, Mother.

At least he's a racist.



If only his chosen field of expertise built character.


Homo did his cert 2 in it (part completion). It might lead to something.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Oct 27th, 2016 at 6:06pm

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Oct 27th, 2016 at 6:06pm
This is the future you idiots are barracking for.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by capitosinora on Oct 27th, 2016 at 6:52pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 2:09pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 5:13am:

Emma wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 12:13am:
Oh well, not long to go now.

I don't think, and never have, the outcome is in doubt. Imean seriously people ,  no-one with an IQ above 100 would even consider that The Creep would be President. It just defies all logic.
(one hopes the American public does have an IQ above 100.)

;D ;D ;D


It poses an interesting moral dilemma : Should a person's deviant habits be enough to bar him from ascending to national leadership even if he has the qualities needed to be a great leader?


Does Trump have the qualities to be a great leader?

If so, what do you believe those qualities are?


Political incorrectness.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Fireball on Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:00pm

mothra wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:15pm:
Niqqa keeping the seat warm?

The idiots on here actually proud of their racism never cease to amaze me.


You're easily amazed moth, and haemorrhoid must keep you constantly dumbfounded...... ;D ;D

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:02pm

capitosinora wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 6:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 2:09pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 5:13am:

Emma wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 12:13am:
Oh well, not long to go now.

I don't think, and never have, the outcome is in doubt. Imean seriously people ,  no-one with an IQ above 100 would even consider that The Creep would be President. It just defies all logic.
(one hopes the American public does have an IQ above 100.)

;D ;D ;D


It poses an interesting moral dilemma : Should a person's deviant habits be enough to bar him from ascending to national leadership even if he has the qualities needed to be a great leader?


Does Trump have the qualities to be a great leader?

If so, what do you believe those qualities are?


Political incorrectness.


How will that make someone a great leader?


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Fireball on Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:03pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 5:51pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:22pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:15pm:
Niqqa keeping the seat warm?

The idiots on here actually proud of their racism never cease to amaze me.


It goes without saying, of course, that these idiots would never say such things to anyone's face.

Cowards, every last one of them.



Not unless they were wearing a sheet at least.


And in a mob.


No mob needed for a like pussy like you haemorrhoid. You can arrange an appointment for a fitting for a 'sheet' if you want...........just saying tiger.... ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:06pm

Fuzzball wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 5:51pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:22pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:15pm:
Niqqa keeping the seat warm?

The idiots on here actually proud of their racism never cease to amaze me.


It goes without saying, of course, that these idiots would never say such things to anyone's face.

Cowards, every last one of them.



Not unless they were wearing a sheet at least.


And in a mob.


No mob needed ...


Oh yes, you need a mob alright.

You're a textbook coward.



Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Fireball on Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:11pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:06pm:

Fuzzball wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 5:51pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:22pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:15pm:
Niqqa keeping the seat warm?

The idiots on here actually proud of their racism never cease to amaze me.


It goes without saying, of course, that these idiots would never say such things to anyone's face.

Cowards, every last one of them.



Not unless they were wearing a sheet at least.


And in a mob.


No mob needed ...


Oh yes, you need a mob alright.

You're a text book coward.


Certainly not where you are concerned haemorrhoid. You've obviously been reading the wrong text book, stick to cookery books........you're a pussy.... ;D ;D :D

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Lord Herbert on Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:33pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 3:10pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 2:09pm:
Does Trump have the qualities to be a great leader?

If so, what do you believe those qualities are?


He's not a politician by trade.


A good thing, agreed.

However, I don't see any qualities that would make him a great leader.


Christ, no. He will never be a great anything.

But as a Wild Card in the Oval Office who knows what good he could do with 4 years to play at being a statesman.

With the internet humming with warnings and dire predictions about a Hillary Presidency it's hard to decide which would be the least dangerous of the two in the White House.

For me, Angela Merkel's sudden detour into madness with her invitation to bring in 1.1 million Muslims within a 12 month period is a warning of what can happen when a woman's emotional chemistry starts making decisions for her.

Hillary is a very aggressive bitch behind that plastic smile.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:35pm

Fuzzball wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 5:51pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:22pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:15pm:
Niqqa keeping the seat warm?

The idiots on here actually proud of their racism never cease to amaze me.


It goes without saying, of course, that these idiots would never say such things to anyone's face.

Cowards, every last one of them.



Not unless they were wearing a sheet at least.


And in a mob.


No mob needed for a like pussy like you haemorrhoid. You can arrange an appointment for a fitting for a 'sheet' if you want...........just saying tiger.... ;D ;D ;D


Can I have one, Matty? We're always ordering new sheets for the old boy.

He goes through them like you wouldn't believe, dear.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:46pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 3:10pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 2:09pm:
Does Trump have the qualities to be a great leader?

If so, what do you believe those qualities are?


He's not a politician by trade.


A good thing, agreed.

However, I don't see any qualities that would make him a great leader.


Christ, no. He will never be a great anything.

But as a Wild Card in the Oval Office who knows what good he could do with 4 years to play at being a statesman.


His lack of experience, and knowledge, would almost certainly make him ineffectual.




Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Sprintcyclist on Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:46pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 3:10pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 2:09pm:
Does Trump have the qualities to be a great leader?

If so, what do you believe those qualities are?


He's not a politician by trade.


A good thing, agreed.

However, I don't see any qualities that would make him a great leader.


Christ, no. He will never be a great anything.

But as a Wild Card in the Oval Office who knows what good he could do with 4 years to play at being a statesman.

With the internet humming with warnings and dire predictions about a Hillary Presidency it's hard to decide which would be the least dangerous of the two in the White House.

For me, Angela Merkel's sudden detour into madness with her invitation to bring in 1.1 million Muslims within a 12 month period is a warning of what can happen when a woman's emotional chemistry starts making decisions for her.

Hillary is a very aggressive bitch behind that plastic smile
.



Hillary is a proven liar, cheat, supporter of wars, maker of bad decisions and action, hater of Putin ..........

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:50pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:46pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 3:10pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 2:09pm:
Does Trump have the qualities to be a great leader?

If so, what do you believe those qualities are?


He's not a politician by trade.


A good thing, agreed.

However, I don't see any qualities that would make him a great leader.


Christ, no. He will never be a great anything.

But as a Wild Card in the Oval Office who knows what good he could do with 4 years to play at being a statesman.

With the internet humming with warnings and dire predictions about a Hillary Presidency it's hard to decide which would be the least dangerous of the two in the White House.

For me, Angela Merkel's sudden detour into madness with her invitation to bring in 1.1 million Muslims within a 12 month period is a warning of what can happen when a woman's emotional chemistry starts making decisions for her.

Hillary is a very aggressive bitch behind that plastic smile
.



Hillary is a proven liar, cheat, supporter of wars, maker of bad decisions and action, hater of Putin ..........


You seem to be arguing with yourself, Sprint.

I can't say I've seen anyone in this forum come out in support of Hillary.

Can you?


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Lord Herbert on Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:53pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:46pm:
His lack of experience, and knowledge, would almost certainly make him ineffectual.


Presidential Advisors are thick on the ground at the White House. A drover's dog could do the job of US President without needing to bark or wag its tail.





Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:54pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:46pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 3:10pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 2:09pm:
Does Trump have the qualities to be a great leader?

If so, what do you believe those qualities are?


He's not a politician by trade.


A good thing, agreed.

However, I don't see any qualities that would make him a great leader.


Christ, no. He will never be a great anything.

But as a Wild Card in the Oval Office who knows what good he could do with 4 years to play at being a statesman.

With the internet humming with warnings and dire predictions about a Hillary Presidency it's hard to decide which would be the least dangerous of the two in the White House.

For me, Angela Merkel's sudden detour into madness with her invitation to bring in 1.1 million Muslims within a 12 month period is a warning of what can happen when a woman's emotional chemistry starts making decisions for her.

Hillary is a very aggressive bitch behind that plastic smile
.



Hillary is a proven liar, cheat, supporter of wars, maker of bad decisions and action, hater of Putin ..........


I think you missed Herbie's point, Sprint.

Hillary is unfit to govern because she's a woman.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Sprintcyclist on Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:55pm


Quote:
...........It is 87% to 99% certain that Donald Trump will win the presidential election on November 8, 2016.........


http://primarymodel.com/

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:56pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:46pm:
His lack of experience, and knowledge, would almost certainly make him ineffectual.


Presidential Advisors are thick on the ground at the White House. A drover's dog could do the job of US President without needing to bark or wag its tail.


Not a bitch, shurely.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 27th, 2016 at 8:00pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:46pm:
His lack of experience, and knowledge, would almost certainly make him ineffectual.


Presidential Advisors are thick on the ground at the White House. A drover's dog could do the job of US President without needing to bark or wag its tail.


Agreed.

And those advisors would quickly tell him to "sit down and shut up".

He would be a talking head, and not much else.

Sure, it might be fun to see what a Trump presidency would like like, but it just ain't ever gonna happen.




Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 27th, 2016 at 8:11pm
That's true, Greggery. If Trump gets in, each day will be like an episode of the Apprentice.

If Hillary gets in, it will be like Oprah.

Hopefully she can get Tom Cruise to jump on that couch again. If Trump gets in, he can fire him.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Lord Herbert on Oct 27th, 2016 at 8:25pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 8:00pm:
Agreed.

And those advisors would quickly tell him to "sit down and shut up".

He would be a talking head, and not much else.


Correct.

In fact he could end up living in a Gated Community in North Korea with a few others who have retired from public life.



Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 27th, 2016 at 8:36pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 8:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 8:00pm:
Agreed.

And those advisors would quickly tell him to "sit down and shut up".

He would be a talking head, and not much else.


Correct.

In fact he could end up living in a Gated Community in North Korea with a few others who have retired from public life.


Not that there's anything wrong with that.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Oct 27th, 2016 at 8:54pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 8:00pm:
He would be a talking head, and not much else.

Course, but the talking head we're talking about is a POTUS...

And that "talking head" can skew the market, that "talking head" inherits Rome...

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Emma Peel on Oct 28th, 2016 at 12:50am

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 11:40am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 5:13am:

Emma wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 12:13am:
Oh well, not long to go now.

I don't think, and never have, the outcome is in doubt. Imean seriously people ,  no-one with an IQ above 100 would even consider that The Creep would be President. It just defies all logic.
(one hopes the American public does have an IQ above 100.)

;D ;D ;D


It poses an interesting moral dilemma : Should a person's deviant habits be enough to bar him from ascending to national leadership even if he has the qualities needed to be a great leader?

Alexander the Great was a notorious homosexual whose private tent was a nightly riot of endless buggery and gay horse-play.

Hadrian of 'Hadrian's Wall' in the UK was another notorious homosexual.

Should Trump's habit of groping women bar him from the position of Presidency?



Linking sexual assault and rape to consensual homosexuality.

Herr-bert is off on his morning troll.



Have to agree.. Herbie's rant  rampantly displays his hatred.  Poor herbie. :(

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Emma Peel on Oct 28th, 2016 at 1:02am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:55pm:

Quote:
...........It is 87% to 99% certain that Donald Trump will win the presidential election on November 8, 2016.........


http://primarymodel.com/



Of course.!!
  Give us a break.   ::) If..............
IF IF IF he doesn't win  :D  it will be due to a continental  or ,   even a , worldwide conspiracy.!!
 
Right ? Sprint ? 
The only reason ?? Right eh ?  Sprint?  :D
Looney tunes, just like your hero.. the Creep. :-?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Emma Peel on Oct 28th, 2016 at 1:05am

Karnal wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:54pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:46pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 3:10pm:
[quote author=Herbert link=1473874288/373#373 date=1477544592][quote author=greggerypeccary link=1473874288/372#372 date=1477541382]

Does Trump have the qualities to be a great leader?

If so, what do you believe those qualities are?


H



Hillary is a very aggressive bitch behind that plastic smile[/size][/highlight].



Hillary is a proven liar, cheat, supporter of wars, maker of bad decisions and action, hater of Putin ..........


I think you missed Herbie's point, Sprint.

Hillary is unfit to govern because she's a woman.


Yep.. that is at the base of it.

>:( >:( >:(

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Emma Peel on Oct 28th, 2016 at 1:07am
Yeah so reading the pages of lead up posts just wasn't worth my attention.
I mean,, who'd bother to do anything but skim past the crud.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Lord Herbert on Oct 28th, 2016 at 5:07am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 8:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 8:00pm:
He would be a talking head, and not much else.

Course, but the talking head we're talking about is a POTUS...

And that "talking head" can skew the market, that "talking head" inherits Rome...


Alarmist.

You're probably a Climate Change panic-merchant too, aren't you?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Lord Herbert on Oct 28th, 2016 at 5:09am

Emma wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 12:50am:
Have to agree.. Herbie's rant  rampantly displays his hatred.  Poor herbie. :(


:) Thank you for your commiserations, Emma.  :)

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Lord Herbert on Oct 28th, 2016 at 5:24am

Karnal wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:54pm:
I think you missed Herbie's point, Sprint.

Hillary is unfit to govern because she's a woman.


Try not to make a habit of misrepresenting where people stand on issues.

But it's true - women do not have an enviable record in positions of power.

Joan Kerner ; Julia Gillard (50,000 boat people during her brief time in office); Christine Nixon (went to a restaurant while people were being killed in the Victorian fire); Catherine Burn (went home during the Lindt cafe terrorist siege); and the rest ... 


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Emma Peel on Oct 28th, 2016 at 6:16am
you mean like Ahn Sung Su Chi, or  Benazir Bhuttho.?  Excuse the spelling, 'm not googling.. just remembering some really GREAT women leaders..
Could add other dynamic and important females, like Margaret Thatcher, and Indira Ghandi.....





Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Oct 28th, 2016 at 6:44am

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 5:07am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 8:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 8:00pm:
He would be a talking head, and not much else.

Course, but the talking head we're talking about is a POTUS...

And that "talking head" can skew the market, that "talking head" inherits Rome...


Alarmist.

Really?

Are you assuming an Executive President is not much more than a Constitutional Monarch or a ceremonial head of state?

For one, the anti-Clintonites (like yourself!) would disagree with you! And really, if that were the case, then no one would care about the US Presidential election any more than they would care about the election and stately thoughts of, say,  the President of India (old... whats-his-name).

One supreme example of the US President acting in his role as a latter-day Caesar was Johnson's (over) reaction to Barry Goldwater's extreme militant rhetoric and his characterisation of Johnson as some kind of 'lame peacenik' which fueled his (Johnson's) obsession with and escalation of a little known or cared about conflict is southeast Asia.

btw... Nixon thought of the Presidential office as having the same political power over the US (and by the magnitude of the office - the western world) that Loius XIV claimed over France.... Not something a constitutional monarch or ceremonial head of state would ever argue for or be in two minds about.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Lord Herbert on Oct 28th, 2016 at 6:47am

Emma wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 6:16am:
you mean like Ahn Sung Su Chi, or  Benazir Bhuttho.?  Excuse the spelling, 'm not googling.. just remembering some really GREAT women leaders..
Could add other dynamic and important females, like Margaret Thatcher, and Indira Ghandi.....


Indira Gandhi was a bitch who aligned India with the Soviet Union just to spite the British.

As for Aung San Suu Kyi ... she was another shamelessly self-indulgent glory-seeking bitch who didn't even have the heart to leave Burma to be by her husband Aris's side while he was dying of cancer. 

Quote:


In 1988, Suu Kyi returned to Burma, at first to tend for her ailing mother but later to lead the pro-democracy movement. Aris' visit in Christmas 1995 turned out to be the last time that he and Suu Kyi met, as Suu Kyi remained in Burma and the Burmese dictatorship denied him any further entry visas.[16]

Aris was diagnosed with prostate cancer in 1997 which was later found to be terminal.

Despite appeals from prominent figures and organizations, including the United States, UN Secretary General Kofi Annan and Pope John Paul II, the Burmese government would not grant Aris a visa, saying that they did not have the facilities to care for him, and instead ...

... urged Aung San Suu Kyi to leave the country to visit him. She was at that time temporarily free from house arrest but was unwilling to depart, fearing that she would be refused re-entry if she left, as she did not trust the military junta's assurance that she could return.[27]

Why should a little inconvenience like a husband dying of cancer get in the way of her ambitions for political glory?

It was Margaret Thatcher who signed Britain's sovereignty away to the Continental Europeans. At least she later admitted her mistake and her betrayal of the British people.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Oct 28th, 2016 at 7:45am

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 6:47am:

Emma wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 6:16am:
you mean like Ahn Sung Su Chi, or  Benazir Bhuttho.?  Excuse the spelling, 'm not googling.. just remembering some really GREAT women leaders..
Could add other dynamic and important females, like Margaret Thatcher, and Indira Ghandi.....


Indira Gandhi was a bitch who aligned India with the Soviet Union just to spite the British.

And what a popular idea that was at te time! By then British rule (the Raj) stank like an old curry in the sun.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 28th, 2016 at 7:49am

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 5:24am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:54pm:
I think you missed Herbie's point, Sprint.

Hillary is unfit to govern because she's a woman.


Try not to make a habit of misrepresenting where people stand on issues.

But it's true - women do not have an enviable record in positions of power.

Joan Kerner ; Julia Gillard (50,000 boat people during her brief time in office); Christine Nixon (went to a restaurant while people were being killed in the Victorian fire); Catherine Burn (went home during the Lindt cafe terrorist siege); and the rest ... 


So Hillary will be a disaster because she's a woman, eh?

You've already tried the sweetener of an ageing Lothario with his harem in the White House. Now you're raising the alarm about Hillary's vagina.

Gee, Herbie, you really know what people want. Have you ever thought of going into marketing?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Oct 28th, 2016 at 7:56am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 6:44am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 5:07am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 8:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 8:00pm:
He would be a talking head, and not much else.

Course, but the talking head we're talking about is a POTUS...

And that "talking head" can skew the market, that "talking head" inherits Rome...


Alarmist.

Really?

Are you assuming an Executive President is not much more than a Constitutional Monarch or a ceremonial head of state?

For one, the anti-Clintonites (like yourself!) would disagree with you! And really, if that were the case, then no one would care about the US Presidential election any more than they would care about the election and stately thoughts of, say,  the President of India (old... whats-his-name).

One supreme example of the US President acting in his role as a latter-day Caesar was Johnson's (over) reaction to Barry Goldwater's extreme militant rhetoric and his characterisation of Johnson as some kind of 'lame peacenik' which fueled his (Johnson's) obsession with and escalation of a little known or cared about conflict is southeast Asia.

btw... Nixon thought of the Presidential office as having the same political power over the US (and by the magnitude of the office - the western world) that Loius XIV claimed over France.... Not something a constitutional monarch or ceremonial head of state would ever argue for or be in two minds about.

Oops...

Forgot to mention the US President's own personal army - the CIA!

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Lord Herbert on Oct 28th, 2016 at 8:02am

Karnal wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 7:49am:
So Hillary will be a disaster because she's a woman, eh?


No.

Because she's got 'arch-bitch' written all over her dial, with this having been confirmed by her treatment of her flunkies in the White House who she views with unconcealed contempt for their lowly station as mere security personnel.

If Trump was an openly gay contender for the Presidency, I wonder what your comments would have been up to now. 

You too, SouthbySouth.  ;D

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Lord Herbert on Oct 28th, 2016 at 8:02am
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Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Fireball on Oct 28th, 2016 at 8:07am



Karnal wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 7:49am:
So Hillary will be a disaster because she's a woman, eh?


A disaster because she's a corrupt megalomaniac who will take the US to disintegration, not because she's a "female" (if she indeed is?).

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Oct 28th, 2016 at 8:19am

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 8:02am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 7:49am:
So Hillary will be a disaster because she's a woman, eh?


No.

Because she's got 'arch-bitch' written all over her dial, with this having been confirmed by her treatment of her flunkies in the White House who she views with unconcealed contempt for their lowly station as mere security personnel.

If Trump was an openly gay contender for the Presidency, I wonder what your comments would have been up to now. 

You too, SouthbySouth.  ;D

Awww Herbert! Do you think you have to be gay to not support Trump? You support Trump... and you're... y'know... Unmarried and live alone...

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Fireball on Oct 28th, 2016 at 8:22am


Yes, she'll make a great President (for maybe 6 months), then she'll have *ucked the country.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Lord Herbert on Oct 28th, 2016 at 2:00pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 8:19am:
Awww Herbert! Do you think you have to be gay to not support Trump? You support Trump... and you're... y'know... Unmarried and live alone...




".. live alone ... "

Being queer doesn't mean you live alone.

"Awwwwww ... ?" (rising inflection) ;D



Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 28th, 2016 at 2:06pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 8:02am:
If Trump was an openly gay contender for the Presidency, I wonder what your comments would have been up to now. 


Now that's the question on everyone's lips, Herbie. We all adored J Edgar Hoover and Ernst Romm. I'm sure that if Trump enjoyed a bit of backdoor action, his vote would skyrocket.

Perhaps Trump should have said that in his locker-room talk on TV. The hommers would be lining up to vote for Trump then, no?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Lord Herbert on Oct 28th, 2016 at 2:28pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 2:06pm:
Perhaps Trump should have said that in his locker-room talk on TV. The hommers would be lining up to vote for Trump then, no?


Didn't the homies line up to vote for Obama because, well, you know, because ... ?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Oct 28th, 2016 at 4:25pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 2:00pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 8:19am:
Awww Herbert! Do you think you have to be gay to not support Trump? You support Trump... and you're... y'know... Unmarried and live alone...


".. live alone ... "

Being queer doesn't mean you live alone.

That's true... Is Ernie still 'flatting' with you?


Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 2:00pm:
"Awwwwww ... ?" (rising inflection) ;D

If you like, sweetie!

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Oct 28th, 2016 at 5:31pm
Invalid Ali is laughed at overseas:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAlqVa2yOVE

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Lord Herbert on Oct 28th, 2016 at 5:32pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 4:25pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 2:00pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 8:19am:
Awww Herbert! Do you think you have to be gay to not support Trump? You support Trump... and you're... y'know... Unmarried and live alone...


".. live alone ... "

Being queer doesn't mean you live alone.

That's true... Is Ernie still 'flatting' with you?


Hell no.

Not since he caught you on your knees helping to do up my zip. 

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 28th, 2016 at 6:06pm

Frank wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 5:31pm:
Invalid Ali is laughed at overseas:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAlqVa2yOVE


Yes, Trump was condoning sexual assault.




Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Sprintcyclist on Oct 28th, 2016 at 6:09pm

Fuzzball wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 8:22am:


Yes, she'll make a great President (for maybe 6 months), then she'll have *ucked the country.


yes indeed

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 28th, 2016 at 7:06pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 2:28pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 2:06pm:
Perhaps Trump should have said that in his locker-room talk on TV. The hommers would be lining up to vote for Trump then, no?


Didn't the homies line up to vote for Obama because, well, you know, because ... ?


Just because, Herbie. They had a soft spot for Mitt Romney too, you know.

Such a good Mormon, so handsome and well-packed.

And a sphincter like a strawberry - no hairs. They say it's to die for.

I'll have what she's having, dear.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 28th, 2016 at 7:07pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 5:32pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 4:25pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 2:00pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 8:19am:
Awww Herbert! Do you think you have to be gay to not support Trump? You support Trump... and you're... y'know... Unmarried and live alone...


".. live alone ... "

Being queer doesn't mean you live alone.

That's true... Is Ernie still 'flatting' with you?


Hell no.

Not since he caught you on your knees helping to do up my zip. 


Miam miam.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Lord Herbert on Oct 28th, 2016 at 7:39pm



Quote:
Hell no.

Not since he caught you on your knees helping to do up my zip. 



Karnal wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 7:07pm:
Miam miam.


Are you sure you didn't mean 'yum-yum'?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Lord Herbert on Oct 28th, 2016 at 7:40pm
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Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 28th, 2016 at 8:31pm
Only if he swallowed, dear.

That means he loves you, no?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Lord Herbert on Oct 29th, 2016 at 7:05am
One swallow doesn't make a Sumar.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Oct 29th, 2016 at 8:24am

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 6:06pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 5:31pm:
Invalid Ali is laughed at overseas:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAlqVa2yOVE


Yes, Trump was condoning sexual assault.



No he wasn't, you retard. "... they let you" he said.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Oct 29th, 2016 at 8:55am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKeYbEOSqYc

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 29th, 2016 at 9:01am

Frank wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 8:24am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 6:06pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 5:31pm:
Invalid Ali is laughed at overseas:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAlqVa2yOVE


Yes, Trump was condoning sexual assault.



No he wasn't, you retard. "... they let you" he said.


Yes, dear boy, but he referring to informed consent?

I don't think I've ever gotten that from you, old chap.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Oct 29th, 2016 at 9:09am
Nobody in May 1914 expected Europe and the world to be at war within 3 months.
Nobody in 1775 in America or the UK expected America to be independent within a year.
Nobody in 1788 in Paris expected the French revolution within a year.
Nobody on 10 September 2001 expected the world to change the next day.


The big events are always unpredicted.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Oct 29th, 2016 at 9:22am

Frank wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 9:09am:
Nobody in May 1914 expected Europe and the world to be at war within 3 months.
Nobody in 1775 in America or the UK expected America to be independent within a year.
Nobody in 1788 in Paris expected the French revolution within a year.
Nobody on 10 September 2001 expected the world to change the next day.


The big events are always unpredicted.

Really? Always?

Like the outbreak of WW2?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Lord Herbert on Oct 29th, 2016 at 9:35am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 9:22am:

Frank wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 9:09am:
The big events are always unpredicted.

Really? Always?

Like the outbreak of WW2?


Pearl Harbour?

And what do you think 'Blitzkrieg' means if not a surprise attack?

And the detour through the Ardennes - bypassing the Maginot Line?

Back to the Drawing Board, Helian.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by capitosinora on Oct 29th, 2016 at 9:50am
Trump warned that Hillary, if electedl will start WW3.

Donald Trump warned in an interview Tuesday that Hillary Clinton's policies as president to address the Syrian conflict would lead to World War III, arguing the Democratic nominee would draw the US into armed confrontation with Russia, Syria and Iran.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/25/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-world-war-iii-syria/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRueRCdDdas

"What we should do is focus on ISIS. We should not be focusing on Syria," Trump told Reuters on Tuesday morning at his resort in Doral, Florida. "You're going to end up in World War III over Syria if we listen to Hillary Clinton."
Hitler had Askenazi origin Hillaris granmother was Askhenazi, her surname was Rosenberg.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-has-jewish-roots/




Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 29th, 2016 at 9:52am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 9:22am:

Frank wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 9:09am:
Nobody in May 1914 expected Europe and the world to be at war within 3 months.
Nobody in 1775 in America or the UK expected America to be independent within a year.
Nobody in 1788 in Paris expected the French revolution within a year.
Nobody on 10 September 2001 expected the world to change the next day.


The big events are always unpredicted.

Really? Always?

Like the outbreak of WW2?


Like the outbreak of WWI? Like the French Revolution?

All these things had been fermenting for years. They reached the stage where conflict was inevitable as forces had been mobilized for several months. Animosities had been kindling for several years.

Not only had these conflicts and shifts been predicted for years, they are almost universally seen as inevitable and unpreventable.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Oct 29th, 2016 at 9:55am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 9:22am:

Frank wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 9:09am:
Nobody in May 1914 expected Europe and the world to be at war within 3 months.
Nobody in 1775 in America or the UK expected America to be independent within a year.
Nobody in 1788 in Paris expected the French revolution within a year.
Nobody on 10 September 2001 expected the world to change the next day.


The big events are always unpredicted.

Really? Always?

Like the outbreak of WW2?



Well, WWII was really the continuation of WWI.

In any case, nobody predicted the scale ad consequences. 

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Oct 29th, 2016 at 9:56am

Karnal wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 9:52am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 9:22am:

Frank wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 9:09am:
Nobody in May 1914 expected Europe and the world to be at war within 3 months.
Nobody in 1775 in America or the UK expected America to be independent within a year.
Nobody in 1788 in Paris expected the French revolution within a year.
Nobody on 10 September 2001 expected the world to change the next day.


The big events are always unpredicted.

Really? Always?

Like the outbreak of WW2?


Like the outbreak of WWI? Like the French Revolution?

All these things had been fermenting for years. They reached the stage where conflict was inevitable as forces had been mobilized for several months. Animosities had been kindling for several years.

Not only had these conflicts and shifts been predicted for years, they are almost universally seen as inevitable and unpreventable.



IN HINDSIGHT.  IN HINDSIGHT.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Oct 29th, 2016 at 9:59am
Is your judgement of Chamberlain as Hitler's appeaser in hindsight too, old boy? 

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Emma Peel on Oct 30th, 2016 at 12:12am

capitosinora wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 9:50am:
Trump warned that Hillary, if electedl will start WW3.

Donald Trump warned in an interview Tuesday that Hillary Clinton's policies as president to address the Syrian conflict would lead to World War III, arguing the Democratic nominee would draw the US into armed confrontation with Russia, Syria and Iran.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/25/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-world-war-iii-syria/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRueRCdDdas

"What we should do is focus on ISIS. We should not be focusing on Syria," Trump told Reuters on Tuesday morning at his resort in Doral, Florida. "You're going to end up in World War III over Syria if we listen to Hillary Clinton."
Hitler had Askenazi origin Hillaris granmother was Askhenazi, her surname was Rosenberg.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-has-jewish-roots/



Good one Capi.  That is funny :) :)



Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Emma Peel on Oct 30th, 2016 at 12:19am

Karnal wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 9:52am:
[.

Really? Always?

Like the outbreak of WW2?
[/quote]

Like the outbreak of WWI? Like the French Revolution?

All these things had been fermenting for years. They reached the stage where conflict was inevitable as forces had been mobilized for several months. Animosities had been kindling for several years.

Not only had these conflicts and shifts been predicted for years, they are almost universally seen as inevitable and unpreventable. [/quote]


Too bad people can't think ' outside the square  '.

DID YOU SEE the latest?  Good grief .. talking about a conspiracy...??????? Look what they're doing to Hilary Clinton.

The FBI .... of all the agencies in the US, is being used to foster serious doubts about Clinton's honesty.  Just watching the BBC NEWS.!!!!

This is so blatant I can't believe the FBI is doing it. Do they think people are fools..??




 

::) :-? :o

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Emma Peel on Oct 30th, 2016 at 12:31am
[
btw... Nixon thought of the Presidential office as having the same political power over the US (and by the magnitude of the office - the western world) that Loius XIV claimed over France.... Not something a constitutional monarch or ceremonial head of state would ever argue for or be in two minds about.
[/quote]
Oops...

Forgot to mention the US President's own personal army - the CIA!
[/quote]

Well, it sure ain't the FBI.!! 8-) :-?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:02am

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 9:35am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 9:22am:

Frank wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 9:09am:
The big events are always unpredicted.

Really? Always?

Like the outbreak of WW2?


Pearl Harbour?


Churchill? ... Spent all of 6 years before 1939 warning Britain that the Nazis in power would provoke a major war in Europe... Not that hard to imagine given that Germany was rearming at relative lightning speed during the few years leading up to 1939.

Roosevelt? A declassified memo on the 70th anniversary of Pearl Harbour indicates, was advised 3 days before the attack that the Japanese were planning a major attack on Hawaii. However, he, like the Bush Administration 60 years later at 9/11, did not believe the intelligence he was receiving.

It's not that these events can't be predicted, its that their apparent surprise to the public is either the consequence of the hubris of leaders who con themselves into believing the state is beyond attack or its the (very human) tendency to refuse to imagine (or prepare for) the 'unthinkable'.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:24am
Something to think about...

Who can you trust to likely be telling you the truth?

Donald Trump     - False or mostly false statements - 70%
Hillary Clinton     - False or mostly false statements - 26%

Compare

Bernie Sanders  - False or mostly false statements - 28%

OR

Barrack Obama  - False or mostly false statements - 26%

Trump labelling Clinton dishonest (given his own record) is a something best left to senior mental health professionals to answer.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:28am
..

When The Donald & Pence are in town, the people are attracted by the thousands, & when SHillary & WhatsHisName can be found the people shrug & say ....."Who"???....... as they are walking away.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYl4etsvI7s



Lock her up!!    Lock her up!!   Drain that Swamp!!    Drain that Swamp!!  Lock her up!!    Lock her up!!   Drain that Swamp!!    Drain that Swamp!!





This is what a Presidential Rally should look like, & always does wherever Trump or Pence goes, not 75 to 100 people squeezed into a shoebox grammar school gymnasiums, like SHillary & WhatsHisName hold!




Lock her up!!    Lock her up!!   Drain that Swamp!!    Drain that Swamp!!  Lock her up!!    Lock her up!!   Drain that Swamp!!    Drain that Swamp!!


;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:51am

Panther wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:28am:
Lock her up!!    Lock her up!!   Drain that Swamp!!    Drain that Swamp!!  Lock her up!!    Lock her up!!   Drain that Swamp!!    Drain that Swamp!!

Ah yes... The crowd...

There's always 'the crowd'

Do more drugs... A million meth heads can't be wrong.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:58am


And.....you've heard about Violent Trump Rallies....watch this video if you want hear what's really going on......the Clinton Campaign & the DNC hires & sends out their hired "Brown Shirts" to "spontaneously" disrupt the Trump Campaign Rallies.......to make it look like Trump's Rallies are violent. Hear it from their own lips....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujs3yEXbvWs


  Now, you decide what's really going on........ Will The Donald "close the deal"? 

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:03pm
Trump will be president.

If Americans elect Hillary it will be time to abandon ANZUS and the ties to America - it will be like being tied to a geriatric pussy.

Hillary is the end of America.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:05pm

Frank wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:03pm:
Trump will be president.


Wanna make a bet?


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:06pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:05pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:03pm:
Trump will be president.


Wanna make a bet?

Yeah, I bet he will win.



Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:08pm

Frank wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:05pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:03pm:
Trump will be president.


Wanna make a bet?

Yeah, I bet he will win.


Let's make it interesting.

If he does, I leave this forum forever.

If he doesn't, you leave this forum forever.

Deal?

Or are you a coward?


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:18pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:08pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:05pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:03pm:
Trump will be president.


Wanna make a bet?

Yeah, I bet he will win.


Let's make it interesting.

If he does, I leave this forum forever.

If he doesn't, you leave this forum forever.

Deal?

Or are you a coward?



yeah, deal - you farkk off.

But you never do.



Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:20pm

Frank wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:18pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:08pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:05pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:03pm:
Trump will be president.


Wanna make a bet?

Yeah, I bet he will win.


Let's make it interesting.

If he does, I leave this forum forever.

If he doesn't, you leave this forum forever.

Deal?

Or are you a coward?



yeah, deal


Excellent.

Trump wins, I go.

Hillary wins, you go.

No socks.

No reneging.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Gordon on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:24pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:20pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:18pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:08pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:05pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:03pm:
Trump will be president.


Wanna make a bet?

Yeah, I bet he will win.


Let's make it interesting.

If he does, I leave this forum forever.

If he doesn't, you leave this forum forever.

Deal?

Or are you a coward?



yeah, deal


Excellent.

Trump wins, I go.

Hillary wins, you go.

No socks.

No reneging.


You're using the same stake for several bets. How does that work? You should offer a different thing for each bet.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Oct 30th, 2016 at 11:22pm

Frank wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:03pm:
Trump will be president.

If Americans elect Hillary it will be time to abandon ANZUS and the ties to America - it will be like being tied to a geriatric pussy.

Hillary is the end of America.

ANZUS?

Moribund as it is, that'd be the first treaty a halfwit like Trump would jettison were the Chinese to put pressure on him.

My bet is Trump couldn't give a flying whatsit about Australia and the South Pacific...

Do you really think Trump could navigate his way around the Chinese Central Committee members like it was a beauty pageant committee?


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Oct 31st, 2016 at 2:50am
Sunday morning in North America and HRC has a 78.5% chance of winning:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

The race has tightened a bit partly because as election day approaches it naturally does so and partly because of the latest round of emails.

Next week will be interesting to say the least.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Emma Peel on Oct 31st, 2016 at 3:57am
Oh well not long now

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 31st, 2016 at 7:30am
October 30  2016 at 7:00 AM

Republicans' growing unity behind their presidential nominee, Donald Trump, has helped pull him just 1 percentage point behind Hillary Clinton and has placed GOP leaders who resist him in a vulnerable position, according to the latest Washington Post-ABC News Tracking Poll.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/30/post-abc-poll-finds-tight-presidential-race-with-mixed-reaction-to-fbis-review-of-clinton-e-mails/

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Fireball on Oct 31st, 2016 at 7:55am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 11:22pm:
My bet is Trump couldn't give a flying whatsit about Australia and the South Pacific...


Do you really think Hillary does?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Oct 31st, 2016 at 12:12pm

Fuzzball wrote on Oct 31st, 2016 at 7:55am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 11:22pm:
My bet is Trump couldn't give a flying whatsit about Australia and the South Pacific...


Do you really think Hillary does?


For that matter, do you think the present HNIC Barrack Hussein Obama does??

He'll start drawing Red Lines in the South China Sea, & continue drawing them past the Bite, all the way through the Southern Ocean past the South Pole daring the Chinese to cross them........

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Oct 31st, 2016 at 5:37pm

Fuzzball wrote on Oct 31st, 2016 at 7:55am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 11:22pm:
My bet is Trump couldn't give a flying whatsit about Australia and the South Pacific...


Do you really think Hillary does?

Likely way more than Trump.

I think Trump will be preoccupied building his wall.... Unless the wall thing is all a lie... I guess there's a 70% chance that it'll be a lie.

As Michael Moore suggested... 3 months after Trump's latter day 'P T Barnum suckers' do manage to elect Trump, they would find out just how little Trump actually gave a sh!t about them...

And the sick thing is, it won't be from lack of trying (at least that won't be the principal reason)... The core reason is that Trump is pathologically incapable of giving a sh!t about anyone who is not immediately useful to maintaining his infantile sense of self. His psychological needs are those of a 4 year old.



Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Oct 31st, 2016 at 6:12pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 31st, 2016 at 5:37pm:
The core reason is that Trump is pathologically incapable of giving a sh!t about anyone who is not immediately useful to maintaining his infantile sense of self. His psychological needs are those of a 4 year old.

;D

You are trying to out-gwegowwy gweggowy!!!! Good luck.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Richdude on Nov 1st, 2016 at 12:54am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 31st, 2016 at 5:37pm:

Fuzzball wrote on Oct 31st, 2016 at 7:55am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 11:22pm:
My bet is Trump couldn't give a flying whatsit about Australia and the South Pacific...


Do you really think Hillary does?

Likely way more than Trump.

I think Trump will be preoccupied building his wall.... Unless the wall thing is all a lie... I guess there's a 70% chance that it'll be a lie.

As Michael Moore suggested... 3 months after Trump's latter day 'P T Barnum suckers' do manage to elect Trump, they would find out just how little Trump actually gave a sh!t about them...

And the sick thing is, it won't be from lack of trying (at least that won't be the principal reason)... The core reason is that Trump is pathologically incapable of giving a sh!t about anyone who is not immediately useful to maintaining his infantile sense of self. His psychological needs are those of a 4 year old.


Thats one hell of a dummy spit!
Why do you hate him so much?

"The business of America is business" Don't worry - Australia is to great an asset to America to let it fall into other hands. Its business that makes decisions not emotions.

So what's better an incompetent, globalist, deceitful lawyer or a nationalistic, competent businessman with almost 50 years experience? 

Gotta admit hasn't worked to well with lawyers.

Drain the swamp Donald!

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Richdude on Nov 1st, 2016 at 1:08am
  Hey North!

Another thing!
Are you a Psychiatrist?
Spare us from your silly analysis.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Emma Peel on Nov 1st, 2016 at 1:14am
you hardly need to be a psychiatrist to see what a nut job the Creep is. ::)

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 1st, 2016 at 1:40am
It's Monday in America and HRC has a 78.1% chance of winning.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Nov 1st, 2016 at 7:07am

Richdude wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 12:54am:
Why do you hate him so much?

You need to ask an Australian this?


Richdude wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 12:54am:
"The business of America is business" Don't worry - Australia is to great an asset to America to let it fall into other hands. Its business that makes decisions not emotions.

(That old platitude!)

Don't you mean 'Australia is too great an ally to America'? Or did you mean we are an American asset? Cos, y'know, assets can be bought and sold... Freudian slip?

I guess that might be what you meant by it all being just business...

The Chinese think of it as business too... But they also consider their hegemony in the region as their destiny... So, y'know, they're going to persist with their attempts to extract the US from the region and gain political (if not cultural) influence among the island nations, Australia and New Zealand...

Pretty sure the Donald will have more than his hands full dealing with real (Chinese and Russian) statesmen as opposed to just playing up to the revenge fantasies of white out-of-workers from Michigan.


Richdude wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 12:54am:
So what's better an incompetent, globalist, deceitful lawyer or a nationalistic, competent businessman with almost 50 years experience? 

You're asking an Australian if an American 'nationalist' (whatever that is - isolationist?) would have Australian interests anywhere on his horizon?

50 years experience? Of filing (ultimately failing) lawsuits and business failure? Now if you were talking about Warren Buffett...


Richdude wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 1:08am:
  Hey North!
Another thing!
Are you a Psychiatrist?
Spare us from your silly analysis.

Not a psychiatrist... But (are you American?) it's not hard to find hundreds of (American and others) analyses on Trump's personality disorders...

It's not like its never been said before.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Gordon on Nov 1st, 2016 at 8:25am
.A key metric in the US presidential campaign now shows support for Hillary Clinton falling off a cliff and Donald Trump rising from the dead – in the RealClearPolitics average of national polls, Clinton's lead has shrunk to a nail-biting 3.1 per cent, well within the margin of error for the polls it aggregates.

A slew of state polls just in, many from crucial swing-states, have Trump leading – in six of eight states, by margins of 1 to 11 points.


http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-election/us-election-2016-donald-trump-closes-gap-on-hillary-clinton-20161031-gsf1ay.html

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by longweekend58 on Nov 1st, 2016 at 8:34am

Gordon wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 8:25am:
.A key metric in the US presidential campaign now shows support for Hillary Clinton falling off a cliff and Donald Trump rising from the dead – in the RealClearPolitics average of national polls, Clinton's lead has shrunk to a nail-biting 3.1 per cent, well within the margin of error for the polls it aggregates.

A slew of state polls just in, many from crucial swing-states, have Trump leading – in six of eight states, by margins of 1 to 11 points.


http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-election/us-election-2016-donald-trump-closes-gap-on-hillary-clinton-20161031-gsf1ay.html


You are not reading all the stuff you should be reading. Yes, Trump has improved, but Clinton already has 278 electoral college votes for states she has in the bag. Thats enough to win before we even consider the swing states where Trump is not doing that well.  He is even in danger in Texas  which while he will win there, it will be by a relatively small margin.

With Russia actively trying to tip the election to Trump, what does that tell you?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Richdude on Nov 1st, 2016 at 12:38pm

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 8:34am:

Gordon wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 8:25am:
.A key metric in the US presidential campaign now shows support for Hillary Clinton falling off a cliff and Donald Trump rising from the dead – in the RealClearPolitics average of national polls, Clinton's lead has shrunk to a nail-biting 3.1 per cent, well within the margin of error for the polls it aggregates.

A slew of state polls just in, many from crucial swing-states, have Trump leading – in six of eight states, by margins of 1 to 11 points.


http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-election/us-election-2016-donald-trump-closes-gap-on-hillary-clinton-20161031-gsf1ay.html


You are not reading all the stuff you should be reading. Yes, Trump has improved, but Clinton already has 278 electoral college votes for states she has in the bag. Thats enough to win before we even consider the swing states where Trump is not doing that well.  He is even in danger in Texas  which while he will win there, it will be by a relatively small margin.

With Russia actively trying to tip the election to Trump, what does that tell you?



It tells me that you are quoting unverified political scare/diversion tactics created by HRC.
However Putin is justifiably scared of her - she is crazy. She has said that she will as President launch a preemptive nuclear attack on Iran.
This election is not over to the fat lady sings ......... in jail.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 1st, 2016 at 12:58pm

Richdude wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 12:38pm:
. She has said that she will as President launch a preemptive nuclear attack on Iran.


She didnt actually say that

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Nov 1st, 2016 at 1:26pm

Richdude wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 12:38pm:
It tells me that you are quoting unverified political scare/diversion tactics created by HRC.
However Putin is justifiably scared of her - she is crazy.

Ahh... No, he's justifiably scared of her because she has the years of experience to deal to him...

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 1st, 2016 at 10:47pm
Tuesday morning in America and Nate Silver says HRC has a 75.6% chance of winning:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo




Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Sprintcyclist on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 12:21am


Quote:
Strong enthusiasm for Hillary Clinton has ebbed since the renewal of the FBI’s email investigation.

While vote preferences have held essentially steady, she’s now a slim point behind Donald Trump -- a first since May -- in the latest ABC News/Washington Post tracking poll, produced for ABC by Langer Research Associates.

Forty-six percent of likely voters support Trump in the latest results, with 45 percent for Clinton. Taking it to the decimal for illustrative purposes, a mere .7 of a percentage point divides them. Third-party candidate Gary Johnson has 3 percent, a new low; Jill Stein, 2 percent.


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-leads-clinton-point-poll-enthusiasm-declines/story?id=43199459


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 1:13am
[quote author=AiA_in_Atlanta link=1473874288/483#483 date=1478004471]Tuesday morning in America and Nate Silver says HRC has a 75.6% chance of winning:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Now:  HRC has a 73.8% chance of winning. will be interesting to see how Silver's data plays out over the next week.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Richdude on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 1:29am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 12:58pm:

Richdude wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 12:38pm:
. She has said that she will as President launch a preemptive nuclear attack on Iran.


She didnt actually say that



And where's your sources - horses are not reliable.
Hillary is a existential to mankind

Global Research

http://www.globalresearch.ca/hillary-clinton-if-im-president-we-will-attack-iran/5460484



“I support calling the Iranian Revolutionary Guard what it is: a terrorist organization. It is imperative that we get both tough and smart about dealing with Iran before it is too late.”

She backs “massive retaliation” if Iran attacks Israel, saying at the time:

“I want the Iranians to know that if I’m president, we will attack Iran. In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them.”

She endorses using cluster bombs, toxic agents and [color=#ff0000]nuclear weapons in US war theaters. She calls them deterrents that “keep the peace.” [/color]She was one of only six Democrat senators opposed to blocking deployment of untested missile defense systems – first-strike weapons entirely for offense.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Emma Peel on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 1:31am
I believe the citizens of the US are smart enough to know what is best for them. I still HOPE this is true, but when the FBI gets into the dirty business of politics, and does what it has, I am concerned that the fwits will throw a spanner in the works. I find it interesting that no-one is really coming out and saying what a f'n set-up the FBI has done to Hillary. Well, I guess the old saying is true.. 'the people get the government they deserve".

IF I was American I know I'd vote for Hillary. Maybe they know whats best for them. I hope so, for their sake.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 7:51am

Richdude wrote on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 1:29am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 12:58pm:

Richdude wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 12:38pm:
. She has said that she will as President launch a preemptive nuclear attack on Iran.


She didnt actually say that



And where's your sources - horses are not reliable.
Hillary is a existential to mankind

Do y'all speak English in North Carolina?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Sprintcyclist on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 7:53am

Emma wrote on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 1:31am:
I believe the citizens of the US are smart enough to know what is best for them. I still HOPE this is true, but when the FBI gets into the dirty business of politics, and does what it has, I am concerned that the fwits will throw a spanner in the works. I find it interesting that no-one is really coming out and saying what a f'n set-up the FBI has done to Hillary. Well, I guess the old saying is true.. 'the people get the government they deserve".

IF I was American I know I'd vote for Hillary. Maybe they know whats best for them. I hope so, for their sake.


She is TOO corrupt and tells TOO many lies for me to ever vote for her.

If she was a man, would you still vote for him ?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 8:02am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 7:53am:

Emma wrote on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 1:31am:
I believe the citizens of the US are smart enough to know what is best for them. I still HOPE this is true, but when the FBI gets into the dirty business of politics, and does what it has, I am concerned that the fwits will throw a spanner in the works. I find it interesting that no-one is really coming out and saying what a f'n set-up the FBI has done to Hillary. Well, I guess the old saying is true.. 'the people get the government they deserve".

IF I was American I know I'd vote for Hillary. Maybe they know whats best for them. I hope so, for their sake.


She is TOO corrupt and tells TOO many lies for me to ever vote for her.

If she was a man, would you still vote for him ?

What amazes me, given most of the pro-Trump posters here are not American (i.e. most Australian I'm guessing), is that almost no one here assesses Trump / Clinton based on what it could mean for Australia and our relationship with China and the US.

Trump's items on his political agenda (and, yes, of course, they're nearly all either crazed or pathological lies...) would indicate that he would easily  be prepared to compromise the US-Australian relationship if it meant a deal with China to his liking.

I guess its another bizarre example of our  corny identification with all things American that some can say without a hint of irony 'She is TOO corrupt and tells TOO many lies for me to ever vote for her.'

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 9:17am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 8:02am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 7:53am:

Emma wrote on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 1:31am:
I believe the citizens of the US are smart enough to know what is best for them. I still HOPE this is true, but when the FBI gets into the dirty business of politics, and does what it has, I am concerned that the fwits will throw a spanner in the works. I find it interesting that no-one is really coming out and saying what a f'n set-up the FBI has done to Hillary. Well, I guess the old saying is true.. 'the people get the government they deserve".

IF I was American I know I'd vote for Hillary. Maybe they know whats best for them. I hope so, for their sake.


She is TOO corrupt and tells TOO many lies for me to ever vote for her.

If she was a man, would you still vote for him ?

What amazes me, given most of the pro-Trump posters here are not American (i.e. most Australian I'm guessing), is that almost no one here assesses Trump / Clinton based on what it could mean for Australia and our relationship with China and the US.


No, North, they're too busy assessing Trump for what they think he'll do to the tinted races.

You know, ban them, kill them, cesterete them.

Trump is already talking tough on China. In ANZUS, we could easily be dragged into a conflict.

I doubt Trump would be as hot-headed as Commander In Chief as he makes out, but his diplomacy - so critical with China - is non-existent. Trump could start a war just by shooting off his big mouth.

Talk about shaking things up and making Amerika great again, eh?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Sprintcyclist on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 10:10am


Quote:
.............Latest national polling shows US presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are neck-and-neck, with Mr Trump leading by just one point — well within the margin of error.

It is Mr Trump's first lead in the American ABC News poll since May, though it is a poll that has been particularly volatile.

Mr Trump's most recent campaign stop was Pennsylvania, a critical state that he needs to win in order to secure a path to the White House.
.............


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-02/clinton-and-trump-neck-to-neck-in-latest-polls/7986776

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 10:21am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 10:10am:

Quote:
.............Latest national polling shows US presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are neck-and-neck, with Mr Trump leading by just one point — well within the margin of error.

It is Mr Trump's first lead in the American ABC News poll since May, though it is a poll that has been particularly volatile.

Mr Trump's most recent campaign stop was Pennsylvania, a critical state that he needs to win in order to secure a path to the White House.
.............


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-02/clinton-and-trump-neck-to-neck-in-latest-polls/7986776


You're headed for major disappointment, Sprint.



Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bias_2012 on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 10:32am
Trump is in the lead, Democrats are desperate and trying to catch up

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 10:43am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 10:10am:

Quote:
.............Latest national polling shows US presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are neck-and-neck, with Mr Trump leading by just one point — well within the margin of error.

It is Mr Trump's first lead in the American ABC News poll since May, though it is a poll that has been particularly volatile.

Mr Trump's most recent campaign stop was Pennsylvania, a critical state that he needs to win in order to secure a path to the White House.
.............


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-02/clinton-and-trump-neck-to-neck-in-latest-polls/7986776



I thought those MSM polls couldnt be trusted.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by gandalf on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 1:00pm
Bojak, the polls are part of a sinister, concerted lefty conspiracy to keep Trump out. Until that is, they start showing Trump ahead. Then they are gospel truth.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Fireball on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 1:20pm


Nothing wrong here, can you hear knocking?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Emma Peel on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 10:46pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 7:53am:

Emma wrote on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 1:31am:
I believe the citizens of the US are smart enough to know what is best for them. I still HOPE this is true, but when the FBI gets into the dirty business of politics, and does what it has, I am concerned that the fwits will throw a spanner in the works. I find it interesting that no-one is really coming out and saying what a f'n set-up the FBI has done to Hillary. Well, I guess the old saying is true.. 'the people get the government they deserve".

IF I was American I know I'd vote for Hillary. Maybe they know whats best for them. I hope so, for their sake.


She is TOO corrupt and tells TOO many lies for me to ever vote for her.

If she was a man, would you still vote for him ?

If the Creep was the other option?  ABSO>FN>LUTELY.
The creep is a total nutjob.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by mortdooley on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 11:18pm
It is looking like the "New World Order"  will have to wait another Presidential term or two!

To all the Hillary supporters,just so you know Hillary despises you too.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 11:25pm

Mortdooley wrote on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 11:18pm:
It is looking like the "New World Order"  will have to wait another Presidential term or two!

To all the Hillary supporters,just so you know Hillary despises you too.


Who are the Hillary supporters?


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bias_2012 on Nov 3rd, 2016 at 12:00am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 11:25pm:
Who are the Hillary supporters?



People such as you

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Emma Peel on Nov 3rd, 2016 at 1:24am
Nah we don't even live in the US. We can't vote dummy.!! We don't count. ;D

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 3rd, 2016 at 3:56am
HRC now has a 69.9% chance of winning according to Nate Silver.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by jmjcare on Nov 3rd, 2016 at 10:57am
Hillary cying over wikileaks - FBI Investigation taking its toll - Trump pulls ahead in the polls

Streamed live 15 hours ago

FBI RELEASES DOCUMENTS ON CLINTON INVESTIGATION https://vault.fbi.gov/hillary-r.-clinton

Wikileaks Memo Reveals More About Clinton Profits - "Bill Clinton Inc"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJET-1tBTg0


CrossTalk: Hillary's Reckoning?

Published on Nov 2, 2016

Hillary Clinton and her never-ending scandals. The FBI’s decision to continue its investigation into her use of emails presents the troubling prospect of a protracted political crisis. Is winning the election now the least of her problems?
CrossTalking with Mark Crispin Miller, Don DeBar, and Bruce Fein.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0_0dE1Ezhw

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 4th, 2016 at 3:19am
HRC comes in with a 65.9% chance of winning as of 50 minutes ago. With less than a week to go, keep an eye on these stats. Will be fascinating to see how accurate they are:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 4th, 2016 at 10:03pm
As of 15 minutes ago HRC has a 66.3% chance of winning according to statistician Nate Sliver:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Rhino on Nov 4th, 2016 at 10:06pm
If we treat these candidates popularity like a stock market chart then the trend is your friend. I would be buying shares in trump

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 4th, 2016 at 10:10pm

rhino wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 10:06pm:
If we treat these candidates popularity like a stock market chart then the trend is your friend. I would be buying shares in trump


that would be stupid. i am merely tracking the stats of a man considered a genius in his field. no one can predict the future of stocks or an election ...

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Rhino on Nov 4th, 2016 at 11:06pm

AiA wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 10:10pm:

rhino wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 10:06pm:
If we treat these candidates popularity like a stock market chart then the trend is your friend. I would be buying shares in trump


that would be stupid. i am merely tracking the stats of a man considered a genius in his field. no one can predict the future of stocks or an election ...
No, that wouldnt be stupid. The trend is showing trumps popularity rising while Clintons falls, any successful investor knows that you dont buy a falling stock. Now arguing that is not the case, that would be stupid. Of course there are variables such as hidden scandals and wrong doing by candidates, thats the unpredictable part but an educated bet at this stage would bet on Trump in the white house.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 4th, 2016 at 11:09pm

rhino wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 11:06pm:

AiA wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 10:10pm:

rhino wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 10:06pm:
If we treat these candidates popularity like a stock market chart then the trend is your friend. I would be buying shares in trump


that would be stupid. i am merely tracking the stats of a man considered a genius in his field. no one can predict the future of stocks or an election ...
No, that wouldnt be stupid. The trend is showing trumps popularity rising while Clintons falls, any successful investor knows that you dont buy a falling stock. Now arguing that is not the case, that would be stupid. Of course there are variables such as hidden scandals and wrong doing by candidates, thats the unpredictable part but an educated bet at this stage would bet on Trump in the white house.


Nate Silver isn't basing his calculations on what he reads in a siloed media like you are doing. Silver isn't saying who will win and who will lose. Do you understand that?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Rhino on Nov 4th, 2016 at 11:11pm
Im not basing my statement on what nat Silver thinks or doesnt think. Do you not understand that? You let your emotional investment get in the way of logical analysis, you will never be successful in the share market or predicting election outcomes.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 4th, 2016 at 11:12pm

rhino wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 11:11pm:
Im not basing my statement on what nat Silver thinks or doesnt think. Do you not understand that?



You are basing your statement on stupidity because no one knows who will win the election.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Rhino on Nov 4th, 2016 at 11:13pm

AiA wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 11:12pm:

rhino wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 11:11pm:
Im not basing my statement on what nat Silver thinks or doesnt think. Do you not understand that?



You are basing your statement on stupidity because no one knows who will win the election.
Theres that emotion again, what you want and want will happen are 2 different things.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 4th, 2016 at 11:20pm

rhino wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 11:13pm:

AiA wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 11:12pm:

rhino wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 11:11pm:
Im not basing my statement on what nat Silver thinks or doesnt think. Do you not understand that?



You are basing your statement on stupidity because no one knows who will win the election.
Theres that emotion again, what you want and want will happen are 2 different things.


You may want to consider that one of Sprinty's or Bogey's threads are a better place for you. I am not "wanting" anything to happen. I am presenting Silver's statistics.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Rhino on Nov 5th, 2016 at 12:06am

AiA wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 11:20pm:
  I am not "wanting" anything to happen. I am presenting Silver's statistics.
And arguing against what you consider unfavorable interpretation of them. We know you want clinton to win. Your response is predicated on that emotional wish.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 5th, 2016 at 12:17am

rhino wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 12:06am:

AiA wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 11:20pm:
  I am not "wanting" anything to happen. I am presenting Silver's statistics.
And arguing against what you consider unfavorable interpretation of them. We know you want clinton to win. Your response is predicated on that emotional wish.



Please Rhino, go find another, more emotional thread, to post in. There must be hundreds ...

As of one hour ago, Nate Silver gave HRC a 66.5% chance of winning. http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

If Trump wins, I am fine with that and won't lose any sleep. How much damage can a real estate salesperson really do?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Emma Peel on Nov 5th, 2016 at 12:27am
Time will tell.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Nov 5th, 2016 at 8:01am
..



Trump Closes In On Clinton: All The Latest Polls | Daily Wire


http://www.dailywire.com/news/5361/can-trump-beat-hillary-here-are-latest-polls-james-barrett#



EXCLUSIVE: Trump Surging, Now Tied With Clinton In Michigan


http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/04/exclusive-poll-trump-clinton-tied-in-michigan/#ixzz4P4y4SK00




With Trump surging in polls, GOP leaders need to get on the Trump train


http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/03/with-trump-surging-in-polls-gop-leaders-need-to-get-on-trump-train-commentary.html





Trump surging in Utah, while McMullin loses ground, according to three new polls


http://www.sltrib.com/news/4541370-155/two-new-polls-show-trump-surging



With Trump Surging In The Polls, Hillary Is Blindsided By Even More Devastating News


http://www.westernjournalism.com/thepoint/2016/11/02/with-trump-surging-in-the-polls-hillary-is-blindsided-by-even-more-devastating-news/




Donald Trump Surging In 4 Swing States (Polls)


http://shark-tank.com/2016/10/27/donald-trump-surging-in-4-swing-states-polls/



Poll: Virginia Back in Play as Donald Trump Surge Continues - Breitbart

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/01/virginia-back-play-donald-trump-surge-continues/




It's happening...Trump surging in key battleground state polls ...


https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=12&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjYv7yqjpDQAhWDppQKHX0mDEMQFghPMAs&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gatorcountry.com%2Fswampgas%2Fthreads%2Fits-happening-trump-surging-in-key-battleground-state-polls.354543%2Fpage-2&usg=AFQjCNFhcKeB0tOtURNyn0UcAls8flzUGg&bvm=bv.137904068,d.dGo



..

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by capitosinora on Nov 5th, 2016 at 8:10am
EXCLUSIVE BRAKING NEWS

Assange: Clinton & ISIS funded by same money,

Trump won’t be allowed to win.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ7lYRnF1F8

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Nov 5th, 2016 at 8:18am
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Polling Margin of Error 3.8%


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Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by capitosinora on Nov 5th, 2016 at 8:21am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4D92Gc7f6Lk

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by capitosinora on Nov 5th, 2016 at 8:28am
Julian Assange is a hero for humanity who definitely deserve a Nobel price and Aussies should be so proud of him.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bias_2012 on Nov 5th, 2016 at 8:32am

capitosinora wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 8:10am:
Trump won’t be allowed to win.



That could only be done by voter fraud. How else could he be stopped from winning?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Nov 5th, 2016 at 9:06am
Marxist philosopher would vote Trump, Hillary is the greater danger


Question: If you were American who would you vote for?

Zizek: Trump. I am horrified at him. I’m just thinking that Hillary is the true danger. Why? She built an impossible all-inclusive coalition. Look, the one point when I fully agreed with Trump was, you remember, when Bernie Sanders endorsed Hillary? He said, Trump – wasn’t it simply true? – he said it’s like somebody from Occupy Wall Street endorsing Lehman Brothers.

In every society there is a whole network of unwritten rules, how politics works, and how you build consensus. Trump disturbed this. And if Trump wins, both big parties, Republicans and Democrats would have to return to basics, rethink themselves, and maybe some things can happen there.


That’s my desperate, very desperate hope, that if Trump wins… Listen, America is still not a dictatorial state, he will not introduce fascism. But it will be a kind of big awakening. New political processes will be set in motion, will be triggered. But I am well aware that things are very dangerous here, not only all this white supremacy groups… But listen, Trump openly said – and as an opportunist he will probably do it – you know how important in United States the Supreme Court is, he’s already said he will nominate right-wingers. So there are dangers. I’m just afraid that Hillary stands for this absolute inertia, the most dangerous one! Because she is a cold warrior, and so on, connected with banks, pretending to be socially progressive.
http://zizek.uk/slavoj-zizek-would-vote-for-trump/


He IS thinking, unlike the drones in the media and here.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by capitosinora on Nov 5th, 2016 at 9:48am

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 8:32am:

capitosinora wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 8:10am:
Trump won’t be allowed to win.



That could only be done by voter fraud. How else could he be stopped from winning?





Possible Al-Qaeda attacks on Election Day?



In what has become de rigueur days before American elections since the War on Terror was declared, a new report suggests a terrorist attack could occur in the US on the eve of Election Day.
The plan is, If Trump is winning, to declare state of emergency, suspend elections and keep Obama in power.


https://www.rt.com/usa/365379-terror-attack-report-election/

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Nov 5th, 2016 at 10:03am

capitosinora wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 9:48am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 8:32am:

capitosinora wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 8:10am:
Trump won’t be allowed to win.



That could only be done by voter fraud. How else could he be stopped from winning?





Possible Al-Qaeda attacks on Election Day?



In what has become de rigueur days before American elections since the War on Terror was declared, a new report suggests a terrorist attack could occur in the US on the eve of Election Day.
The plan is, If Trump is winning, to declare state of emergency, suspend elections and keep Obama in power.






https://www.rt.com/usa/365379-terror-attack-report-election/




And specifically, what Constitutional Authority authorizes this (chapter & verse)?

I know for a fact it's not written within the Patriot Act, & Obama hasn't the authority to unilaterally edict this upon himself......he would need Congressional Consent via new legislation, (legislation that doesn't exist).....possibly a Constitutional Amendment to override the Term Limitations existing within the 22nd Amendment, so where does the Constitutional Authority reside for this overtly "suggestive plan"?

Personally, IMHO, this conspiracy 'theory' should reside in the same aluminium basket as  "911 was an inside Job" does.
 



Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by jmjcare on Nov 5th, 2016 at 9:27pm
“Nothing Good Can Come of This Election”–and That’s Good

November 4, 2016

We the citizens and voters have to stop being enablers of systemic corruption.

The overwhelming consensus of the punditry across the political spectrum is that “Nothing Good Can Come of This Election”–and that’s a very good thing. The handwringing goes like this: The country is deeply divided by schisms that cannot be bridged, every institution from the two parties to the mainstream media to the Department of Justice has been tarnished by cover-ups, collusion or worse; whomever wins the election will enter the presidency without a mandate, and so on.

Why is “nothing good can come of this” good? Because ridding the nation of its political corruption will require hitting bottom.

Just as an alcoholic or drug addict is incapable of making any truly positive changes until he/she hits absolute bottom, so it is with our tolerance of a corrupt political system that is poisoning the nation, one injection of corrupt cash, collusion and pay-to-play at a time.

If our rotten-to-the-core politics as usual is indeed flying off the cliff to complete destruction, that is an unalloyed good.

Just as alcoholics continue down their self-destructive path with the aid of enablers, so too has the corrupt political order expanded with the aid of the Mainstream Media, insiders in the Department of Justice, K Street lobbyists and a veritable army of well-paid lackeys, pundits, academics, apparatchiks and assorted toadies in the organs of governance and in the big-money private sector and philanthro-capitalist dynasties of pay-to-play foundations.

The only way anything will truly change in the political order is if every Establishment insider politico loses every election, from the presidency to dogcatcher. Nothing will change until the mere existence of a private foundation like the Clinton Foundation triggers a landslide loss for the politico with ties to such corruption.

Nothing will change until the collusion of the mainstream media (supplying the insider candidate with debate questions, etc.) alone causes the colluding candidate to lose by a landslide.

Nothing will change until candidates who refuse to accept any donation larger than $100 from anyone or any entity beat the Goldman Sachs/Saudi prince-funded insider candidates by a landslide.

Nothing will change until candidates who fund costly negative TV advertising campaigns with millions in pay-to-play “contributions” from Goldman Sachs et al. lose by a landslide.

You get the point: we the citizens and voters have to stop being enablers of systemic corruption. We have to stop being bamboozled by insiders with promises of “hope and change” and the usual negative TV blitzes funded by corrupt big money.

It’s easy to blame lax campaign laws or the corrupted candidates and their insider toadies, but ultimately we’re responsible for enabling corruption, collusion, pay-for-play and a political and financial Elite that’s above the law.

From the point of view of the corrupted, colluding insiders, MSM flunkies, Department of Justice lackeys and well-paid parrot-pundits, nothing good can come from this election because half the voters may actually cast off the shackles of the nation’s corrupt and corrupting political and financial Elites.

This mass rejection of the politics as usual of corrupt and corrupting political and financial Elites is the highest possible good–a public good that eludes the hand-wringing corrupt insiders, pundits and toadies who have sucked up fortunes from the trough of putrid systemic corruption.

Delivered by The Daily Sheeple

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/nothing-good-can-come-of-this-election-and-thats-good_112016

U.S. Elections "November Chaos": What You're Not Being Told

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-TRMobiiNQ

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Emma Peel on Nov 6th, 2016 at 3:12am

Panther wrote on Nov 5th, 2016 at 8:01am:
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Trump Closes In On Clinton: All The Latest Polls | Daily Wire


http://www.dailywire.com/news/5361/can-trump-beat-hillary-here-are-latest-polls-james-barrett#



EXCLUSIVE: Trump Surging, Now Tied With Clinton In Michigan


http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/04/exclusive-poll-trump-clinton-tied-in-michigan/#ixzz4P4y4SK00




With Trump surging in polls, GOP leaders need to get on the Trump train


http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/03/with-trump-surging-in-polls-gop-leaders-need-to-get-on-trump-train-commentary.html





Trump surging in Utah, while McMullin loses ground, according to three new polls


http://www.sltrib.com/news/4541370-155/two-new-polls-show-trump-surging



With Trump Surging In The Polls, Hillary Is Blindsided By Even More Devastating News


http://www.westernjournalism.com/thepoint/2016/11/02/with-trump-surging-in-the-polls-hillary-is-blindsided-by-even-more-devastating-news/




Donald Trump Surging In 4 Swing States (Polls)


http://shark-tank.com/2016/10/27/donald-trump-surging-in-4-swing-states-polls/



Poll: Virginia Back in Play as Donald Trump Surge Continues - Breitbart

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/01/virginia-back-play-donald-trump-surge-continues/




It's happening...Trump surging in key battleground state polls ...


https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=12&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjYv7yqjpDQAhWDppQKHX0mDEMQFghPMAs&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gatorcountry.com%2Fswampgas%2Fthreads%2Fits-happening-trump-surging-in-key-battleground-state-polls.354543%2Fpage-2&usg=AFQjCNFhcKeB0tOtURNyn0UcAls8flzUGg&bvm=bv.137904068,d.dGo



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WOW  you got a whole lot of 'surging' going on there pussy. :)

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Marla on Nov 6th, 2016 at 4:50am
Hillary disgusts me personally more than dayglo orange fat boy because people (including her) keep trying to claim that she's on everyone's side and agrees with everyone's politics, even though her track record (as well as her husband's) and the list of people endorsing her this time around prove exactly the opposite.

The Bush Criminal Empire does not endorse Liberals or Democrats but they fully embrace Hillary. What does that tell you kangaroo rooters?

The dayglo orange fat boy is disgusting pile of poo because every time he opens his festering gob, the very worst elements of humanity practically cum in their white sheets (like all you trolls on this site); he mixes one or two sentences of populist rhetoric in with it (such as claiming to oppose SHAFTA and other such trade deals) and as a result of that, his flock tries to market him to the smacking liberals.

Right...as if any Liberal on the planet is going to vote for a guy who is endorsed by David DuKKKe, and whose supporters sucker punch black dudes in the face while they walk up the stairs, or shout "JEW-S-A !!" at his hate speech rallies.

The dayglo orange fat boy will lose the election and thus practically become a footnote in the current big picture of this planet.


Bernie Sanders disgusts me a because he campaigned for Hillary even after being supported by the Bush Criminal Empire spewing all her bullshit about the Russians. Jill Stein is not worth anyone's time because she had 4 smacking years since 2012 to figure out how to build an effective campaign strategy after Hillary and her pet poodle Debbie Scatterbrained Lush stole the primary from Bernie, Jill should have had a strategy in place to pick up where he left off and consolidate the Liberal vote around her. Instead, she picked a running mate that even few on the pseudo-left had ever heard of; no political experience (like the dayglo orange fat boy), and nothing that really brings much to voters attention.

Knowing that either of the two of these assholes in contention who could win and will probably destroy this smacking country if not the world in slightly different ways is even more scarier to ponder. 

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Dnarever on Nov 6th, 2016 at 8:36am
I don't think it matters who wins the Loser will be The USA.

Though I feel That Orange would be the bigger loss.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by cods on Nov 6th, 2016 at 10:28am
well not long now...short of another Bush debacle   

wont we be glad when we all know..

we have Obama admitting his foreign policy is flawed...which Hilary will carry on with...

or

trump... building a wall for chrisssssakes.


we sure have a lot to look forward too..

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 6th, 2016 at 10:30am
Thank God it is almost over. Silver calculates HRC currently has a 64.7% chance of winning.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Fireball on Nov 6th, 2016 at 11:33am
Even the black hypocrite who is now supporting her, speaks out years ago about what he really thinks of her:

https://www.facebook.com/DeprogramYourself/videos/1699449440374663/


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 6th, 2016 at 11:35am

AiA wrote on Nov 6th, 2016 at 10:30am:
Thank God it is almost over. Silver calculates HRC currently has a 64.7% chance of winning.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo


Mr Peccary calculates the chances to be 100%


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Nov 6th, 2016 at 12:24pm

Marla wrote on Nov 6th, 2016 at 4:50am:
Knowing that either of the two of these assholes in contention who could win and will probably destroy this smacking country if not the world in slightly different ways is even more scarier to ponder. 


It's never a choice between an angel and a devil in politics.

But ask yourself - who is focused on the people and who is focused on donors, lobbyists, political operatives?who is going to shake up the American political system? Who is going to make both the Democrats and the Republicans re-think their politics?

You should vote according to how you answer these questions.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Emma Peel on Nov 7th, 2016 at 12:39am

Frank wrote on Nov 6th, 2016 at 12:24pm:
It's never a choice between an angel and a devil in politics. But ask yourself - who is focused on the people  .................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... You should vote according to how you answer these questions.


Well Marla,  had to edit that bit because that IS politics,  and it isn't worth repeating. If the Creep isn't as good at it as Clinton, then he's a loser as a  politician.   The vote will tell the story.  Does the Creep's BS win, or does Clinton's experience?.

I think  I am glad I am not an American.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 7th, 2016 at 4:53am
As of 5 minutes ago Nate Silver's statistical analysis give HRC a 64.5% chance of winning.

Silver is being accused of putting his finger on the scale ... in favor of Trump and having become a pundit rather than a statistician.

He is now predicting a Trump win in Florida. If so it will be a long election night.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 7th, 2016 at 10:47am

Prediction: Hillary Clinton to win with at least 274 electoral votes

"With the US presidential campaign in its last hours, it's time to make The Call: Hillary Clinton will be elected president with at least 274 electoral votes."


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 7th, 2016 at 2:33pm

"Moody’s Analytics has called the presidential election accurately since 1980. This election season, Moody’s says Clinton will win by a landslide."

It's all over for the bloated orange douche bag.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 7th, 2016 at 2:39pm

"Our final map has Clinton winning with 352 electoral votes."

http://www.latimes.com/projects/2016-presidential-election-map/

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 7th, 2016 at 4:00pm

The supporters of the bloated orange douche bag, accused of raping two children and sexually assaulting several women, have gone very quiet.

;D

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Nov 7th, 2016 at 5:59pm

Emma wrote on Nov 7th, 2016 at 12:39am:

Frank wrote on Nov 6th, 2016 at 12:24pm:
It's never a choice between an angel and a devil in politics. But ask yourself - who is focused on the people  .................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... You should vote according to how you answer these questions.


Well Marla,  had to edit that bit because that IS politics,  and it isn't worth repeating. If the Creep isn't as good at it as Clinton, then he's a loser as a  politician.   The vote will tell the story.  Does the Creep's BS win, or does Clinton's experience?.

I think  I am glad I am not an American.


As are the Americans.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Nov 7th, 2016 at 6:28pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 7th, 2016 at 2:39pm:
"Our final map has Clinton winning with 352 electoral votes."

http://www.latimes.com/projects/2016-presidential-election-map/



What the polls cannot predict is turnout. And to assume that turnout will be the same this year s the last 4-5 elections is a huge mistake.

We'll see which side is more motivated.



Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Nov 7th, 2016 at 6:56pm

Frank wrote on Nov 7th, 2016 at 6:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 7th, 2016 at 2:39pm:
"Our final map has Clinton winning with 352 electoral votes."

http://www.latimes.com/projects/2016-presidential-election-map/



What the polls cannot predict is turnout. And to assume that turnout will be the same this year s the last 4-5 elections is a huge mistake.

We'll see which side is more motivated.


Whoever has the most motivated base, & can attract the most Independent voters will probably win.

In stark contrast to 2008 & 2012 when voting for one of their own (so they thought), the minority vote in 2016 seems to be on political life support, whereas they turned out in record numbers all across America 4 & 8 years ago, directly responsible for democrat victories. Their turnout will probably hardly resemble the turnouts of years past.

I guess being lied to by others was, & is, bad enough, but being deceived by one of your own has been a most bloody bitter pill to swallow......hearts, minds, & spirits have been broken.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Emma Peel on Nov 7th, 2016 at 11:12pm
Ahem

I'd agree with Moody's prediction of a landslide.
I've thought that likely for some time now.

Your assumption that voters WON"T turn out to vote,  when they did in 2004 + 2008 is
simply wishful thinking. :)



Panther wrote on Nov 7th, 2016 at 6:56pm:
Whoever has the most motivated base, & can attract the most Independent voters will probably win. In stark contrast to 2008 & 2012 when voting for one of their own (so they thought), the minority vote in 2016 seems to be on political life support, whereas they turned out in record numbers all across America 4 & 8 years ago, directly responsible for democrat victories. Their turnout will probably hardly resemble the turnouts of years past.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 7th, 2016 at 11:52pm

AiA wrote on Nov 7th, 2016 at 4:53am:
As of 5 minutes ago Nate Silver's statistical analysis give HRC a 64.5% chance of winning.

Silver is being accused of putting his finger on the scale ... in favor of Trump and having become a pundit rather than a statistician.

He is now predicting a Trump win in Florida. If so it will be a long election night.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo


Monday morning in America and Silver is giving HRC a 65.8% chance of winning on Tuesday. He is still predicting a Trump win in Florida which will make it a long Election Night ...

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Emma Peel on Nov 8th, 2016 at 1:31am

Emma wrote on Nov 7th, 2016 at 11:12pm:
Ahem

I'd agree with Moody's prediction of a landslide.
I've thought that likely for some time now.

Your assumption that voters WON"T turn out to vote,  when they did in 2004 + 2008 is
simply wishful thinking. :)



Panther wrote on Nov 7th, 2016 at 6:56pm:
Whoever has the most motivated base, & can attract the most Independent voters will probably win. In stark contrast to 2008 & 2012 when voting for one of their own (so they thought), the minority vote in 2016 seems to be on political life support, whereas they turned out in record numbers all across America 4 & 8 years ago, directly responsible for democrat victories. Their turnout will probably hardly resemble the turnouts of years past.


Oh yeah, it says a whole lot when your best hope is that people won't bother to vote.

:)

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 8th, 2016 at 4:27am
According to Nate Silver, Florida is now looking like it may go to HRC, so Election Night would not be long.

Hillary now has an 68.1% of winning.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Marla on Nov 8th, 2016 at 5:02am
Here's my theory: I think this crap, the whore media "horse race" coverage, perhaps even the dayglo orange fat boy candidacy itself are all part of Hillary's plan to win this election -BY DESIGN- with a razor-thin margin.

Why?

So she can absolve herself of any national mandate, free herself from that bullshit Bernie Sanders platform that she had no intention of keeping in the first place, and roll out her cabinet full of the most filthiest, disgusting capitalists corporate Wall Street thieves, Big Pharma, Comcast, PNAC war mongers & MonSatano snot Nazis while all the time having her lackeys praise her for "bipartisanship" when doing so.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by gandalf on Nov 8th, 2016 at 9:11am

Panther wrote on Nov 7th, 2016 at 6:56pm:
Whoever has the most motivated base, & can attract the most Independent voters will probably win.


No I don't think so.

We already know Trump has by far the most motivated base, but he will almost certainly lose. Why? Because that base is so small. Trump's base is a mere subset of the republican party - cranky, white, low educated, blue collar men. A very small constituency - especially so when considering that almost none of them are women. A great swathe of repugs are disgusted with Trump and mostly won't turn up. A few may even vote for Hillary. The dems on the other hand, while lukewarm at best about Hillary, are at least not deserting her in droves like whats happening in the GOP. They can even afford a significant decline in turnout compared to the Obama years - they will still easily outnumber the Trump crowd. For Trump to win, there would have to be a mass exodus against Hillary by the dems, the likes of which has never been seen - and that is simply not happening. Not even close.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by gandalf on Nov 8th, 2016 at 9:15am

Marla wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 5:02am:
Here's my theory: I think this crap, the whore media "horse race" coverage, perhaps even the dayglo orange fat boy candidacy itself are all part of Hillary's plan to win this election -BY DESIGN- with a razor-thin margin.

Why?

So she can absolve herself of any national mandate, free herself from that bullshit Bernie Sanders platform that she had no intention of keeping in the first place, and roll out her cabinet full of the most filthiest, disgusting capitalists corporate Wall Street thieves, Big Pharma, Comcast, PNAC war mongers & MonSatano snot Nazis while all the time having her lackeys praise her for "bipartisanship" when doing so.


In Trump, the repugs couldn't have picked a better candidate to fulfill this. Pretty much anyone else could have beaten Hillary.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 8th, 2016 at 9:28am
Why aren't the Yanks voting for this guy

https://www.inverse.com/article/14577-confessed-time-traveler-andrew-basiago-is-running-for-president-knows-he-ll-win


As someone said, if you're going to say bugger it with your vote, you might as well go whole hog on the bugger it aspect.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by gandalf on Nov 8th, 2016 at 10:59am
More like 'bugger it with turning up in the first place'.

Interesting history behind the Tuesday election day thing. Apparently back in colonial days weekends were out for religious reasons, so as soon as church was over folks would get on their wagons and spend all of Monday travelling to town to vote in time for Tuesday. Then they would have to rush back for market day on Wednesday.

Today, I imagine its a major inconvenience having election day on a weekday. And guess who is discriminated by this the most? the poorest most marginalised unskilled workers. Which would explain why the repugs have continuously blocked all attempts to change the day. And statistics of voter turnouts consistently confirm this - its the most vulnerable - typically democrat voters who don't vote. The exception to this was 2008 when the minorities came out in droves to vote for Obama.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Nov 8th, 2016 at 12:05pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 9:11am:

Panther wrote on Nov 7th, 2016 at 6:56pm:
Whoever has the most motivated base, & can attract the most Independent voters will probably win.


No I don't think so.

We already know Trump has by far the most motivated base, but he will almost certainly lose. Why? Because that base is so small. Trump's base is a mere subset of the republican party - cranky, white, low educated, blue collar men. A very small constituency - especially so when considering that almost none of them are women. A great swathe of repugs are disgusted with Trump and mostly won't turn up. A few may even vote for Hillary. The dems on the other hand, while lukewarm at best about Hillary, are at least not deserting her in droves like whats happening in the GOP. They can even afford a significant decline in turnout compared to the Obama years - they will still easily outnumber the Trump crowd. For Trump to win, there would have to be a mass exodus against Hillary by the dems, the likes of which has never been seen - and that is simply not happening. Not even close.


Really......One of the most prestigious polling organizations, Gallop, in the USA, & for that matter the World, may see a different picture when it comes to Independents (which btw isn't a political party in the USA), & how they may be the ones that determine/affect Tuesday's outcome ..... more-so than what traditional party the voters belong(ed) to.

Dems & Reps are becoming a thing of the past, the 25+ year trend has been toward changing affiliations from Dem or Rep to Independent, & new/first time voters are overwhelmingly identifying as being affiliated as Independent rather than Dem or Rep.


Democratic, Republican Identification Near Historical Lows



42% identify as Independents
29% as Democrats
26% as Republicans



Independent identification has been at least 40% for fifth consecutive year, since 2010



Source:      Gallup      
Quote:
PRINCETON, N.J. -- In 2015, for the fifth consecutive year, at least four in 10 U.S. adults identified as political independents. The 42% identifying as independents in 2015 was down slightly from the record 43% in 2014. This elevated percentage of political independents leaves Democratic (29%) and Republican (26%) identification at or near recent low points, with the modest Democratic advantage roughly where it has been over the past five years........continued









Trump's base is a mere subset of the republican party?

I think not.

The overwhelming majority of the voters that Trump has gotten to register to vote in the 2016 Election this past year in his 'get out the vote campaign' have admittedly registered as Independent....we're talking well over a few million new voters, voters who are not just cranky, white, low educated, blue collar men as you call them either. ;)


So, the Independents, IMHO, will have more to say about who becomes POTUS than the traditional 2 parties will. ;)


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 8th, 2016 at 12:12pm

Panther wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 12:05pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 9:11am:

Panther wrote on Nov 7th, 2016 at 6:56pm:
Whoever has the most motivated base, & can attract the most Independent voters will probably win.


No I don't think so.

We already know Trump has by far the most motivated base, but he will almost certainly lose. Why? Because that base is so small. Trump's base is a mere subset of the republican party - cranky, white, low educated, blue collar men. A very small constituency - especially so when considering that almost none of them are women. A great swathe of repugs are disgusted with Trump and mostly won't turn up. A few may even vote for Hillary. The dems on the other hand, while lukewarm at best about Hillary, are at least not deserting her in droves like whats happening in the GOP. They can even afford a significant decline in turnout compared to the Obama years - they will still easily outnumber the Trump crowd. For Trump to win, there would have to be a mass exodus against Hillary by the dems, the likes of which has never been seen - and that is simply not happening. Not even close.


Really......The most prestigious polling organization Gallop in the USA, & for that matter the World, may see a different picture when it comes to Independents (which btw isn't a political party in the USA), & how they may be the ones that determine/affect Tuesday's outcome ..... more-so than what traditional party the voters belong(ed) to.

Dems & Reps are becoming a thing of the past, the 25+ year trend has been toward changing affiliations from Dem or Rep to Independent, & new/first time voters are overwhelmingly identifying as being affiliated as Independent rather than Dem or Rep.


Democratic, Republican Identification Near Historical Lows



42% identify as Independents
29% as Democrats
26% as Republicans



Independent identification has been at least 40% for fifth consecutive year, since 2010



Source:      Gallup      
Quote:
PRINCETON, N.J. -- In 2015, for the fifth consecutive year, at least four in 10 U.S. adults identified as political independents. The 42% identifying as independents in 2015 was down slightly from the record 43% in 2014. This elevated percentage of political independents leaves Democratic (29%) and Republican (26%) identification at or near recent low points, with the modest Democratic advantage roughly where it has been over the past five years........continued









Trump's base is a mere subset of the republican party?

I think not.

The overwhelming majority of the voters that Trump has gotten to register to vote in the 2016 Election this past year have admittedly registered as Independent....we're talking well over a couple million new voters, voters who are not just cranky, white, low educated, blue collar men as you call them. ;)


So, the Independents, IMHO, will have more to say about who becomes POTUS than the traditional 2 parties will. ;)



Do you think he's captured all the independants?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Nov 8th, 2016 at 12:26pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 12:12pm:

Panther wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 12:05pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 9:11am:

Panther wrote on Nov 7th, 2016 at 6:56pm:
Whoever has the most motivated base, & can attract the most Independent voters will probably win.


No I don't think so.

We already know Trump has by far the most motivated base, but he will almost certainly lose. Why? Because that base is so small. Trump's base is a mere subset of the republican party - cranky, white, low educated, blue collar men. A very small constituency - especially so when considering that almost none of them are women. A great swathe of repugs are disgusted with Trump and mostly won't turn up. A few may even vote for Hillary. The dems on the other hand, while lukewarm at best about Hillary, are at least not deserting her in droves like whats happening in the GOP. They can even afford a significant decline in turnout compared to the Obama years - they will still easily outnumber the Trump crowd. For Trump to win, there would have to be a mass exodus against Hillary by the dems, the likes of which has never been seen - and that is simply not happening. Not even close.


Really......One of the most prestigious polling organizations, Gallop, in the USA, & for that matter the World, may see a different picture when it comes to Independents (which btw isn't a political party in the USA), & how they may be the ones that determine/affect Tuesday's outcome ..... more-so than what traditional party the voters belong(ed) to.

Dems & Reps are becoming a thing of the past, the 25+ year trend has been toward changing affiliations from Dem or Rep to Independent, & new/first time voters are overwhelmingly identifying as being affiliated as Independent rather than Dem or Rep.


Democratic, Republican Identification Near Historical Lows



42% identify as Independents
29% as Democrats
26% as Republicans



Independent identification has been at least 40% for fifth consecutive year, since 2010



Source:      Gallup      
Quote:
PRINCETON, N.J. -- In 2015, for the fifth consecutive year, at least four in 10 U.S. adults identified as political independents. The 42% identifying as independents in 2015 was down slightly from the record 43% in 2014. This elevated percentage of political independents leaves Democratic (29%) and Republican (26%) identification at or near recent low points, with the modest Democratic advantage roughly where it has been over the past five years........continued









Trump's base is a mere subset of the republican party?

I think not.

The overwhelming majority of the voters that Trump has gotten to register to vote in the 2016 Election this past year in his 'get out the vote campaign' have admittedly registered as Independent....we're talking well over a few million new voters, voters who are not just cranky, white, low educated, blue collar men as you call them either. ;)


So, the Independents, IMHO, will have more to say about who becomes POTUS than the traditional 2 parties will. ;)



Do you think he's captured all the independants?


No, a few may end up in SHillary's tally, as well as other 3rd party candidates, but Trump will get quite a few.

Independents have traditionally gravitated to the Right in America, & I'm sure he will also get a huge portion of the voters his people convinced to register for this election.

So, to answer your question, no, not all the Independents donkey boy, not all of them.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 8th, 2016 at 12:36pm

Panther wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 12:26pm:
Independents have traditionally gravitated to the Right in America, & I'm sure he will also get a huge portion of the voters his people convinced to register for this election.

So, to answer your question, no, not all the Independents donkey boy, not all of them.
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2012 it was 50-45 to Romney
2008 it was 52-44 to Obama
2004 it was 50-48 to Kerry
2000 it was 48-46 to Bush
1996 it was 44-37 to Clinton
1992 it was 38-32 to Clinton
1988 it was 57-43 to Bush
1984 it was 64-36 to Reagan
1980 it was 56-31 to Reagan
1976 it was 52-48 to Ford

http://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-1976/

So essentially it seems varying, not really favouring either party, since Reagan.



Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Nov 8th, 2016 at 1:12pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 12:36pm:

Panther wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 12:26pm:
Independents have traditionally gravitated to the Right in America, & I'm sure he will also get a huge portion of the voters his people convinced to register for this election.

So, to answer your question, no, not all the Independents donkey boy, not all of them.
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2012 it was 50-45 to Romney
2008 it was 52-44 to Obama
2004 it was 50-48 to Kerry
2000 it was 48-46 to Bush
1996 it was 44-37 to Clinton
1992 it was 38-32 to Clinton
1988 it was 57-43 to Bush
1984 it was 64-36 to Reagan
1980 it was 56-31 to Reagan
1976 it was 52-48 to Ford

http://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-1976/

So essentially it seems varying, not really favouring either party, since Reagan.


Well, & you can verify this, when a voter (potential voter because unlike here Americans can chose to vote or not) when a voter registers as an Independent in the USA they are not registering for, or in, any political party.

Most voters who register Independent do so because they despise political parties, & don't want anything to do with formal politics. They are making a statement that they are beholden to none....no party....no group....no politician....no philosophy.....etc...

Independent is not a party in the USA, & the only source in knowing how many independents actually voted in any given election, & for who they actually voted for, comes solely from exit polls......physically asking someone who just finished voting if they wouldn't mind telling them what party they might belong to, & who did they vote for, which isn't by any means accurate..........Americans....especially Independents.....like to mess with the media & pollsters heads you know.       

So I wouldn't put too much faith in those numbers donkey boy.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 8th, 2016 at 1:16pm

Panther wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 1:12pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 12:36pm:

Panther wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 12:26pm:
Independents have traditionally gravitated to the Right in America, & I'm sure he will also get a huge portion of the voters his people convinced to register for this election.

So, to answer your question, no, not all the Independents donkey boy, not all of them.
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2012 it was 50-45 to Romney
2008 it was 52-44 to Obama
2004 it was 50-48 to Kerry
2000 it was 48-46 to Bush
1996 it was 44-37 to Clinton
1992 it was 38-32 to Clinton
1988 it was 57-43 to Bush
1984 it was 64-36 to Reagan
1980 it was 56-31 to Reagan
1976 it was 52-48 to Ford

http://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-1976/

So essentially it seems varying, not really favouring either party, since Reagan.


Well, & you can verify this, when a voter (potential voter because unlike here Americans can chose to vote or not) when a voter registers as an Independent in the USA they are not registering for, or in, any political party.

Most voters who register Independent do so because they despise political parties, & don't want anything to do with formal politics. They are making a statement that they are beholden to none....no party....no group....no politician....no philosophy.....etc...

Independent is not a party in the USA, & the only source in knowing how many independents actually voted in any given election, & for who they actually voted for, comes solely from exit polls......physically asking someone who just finished voting if they wouldn't mind telling them what party they might belong to, & who did they vote for, which isn't by any means accurate..........Americans like to mess with the media & pollsters heads you know.       

So I wouldn't put too much faith in those numbers donkey boy.




So by all means, produce some better numbers other than your gut feel.


PLease, the only thing to beat evidence is better evidence.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 8th, 2016 at 1:21pm
BTW got those numbers from here, which were taken from exit polls

he Roper Center for Public Opinion Research, located at Cornell University, is one of the world’s leading archives of social science data, specializing in data from public opinion surveys. The Center’s mission is to collect, preserve, and disseminate public opinion data; to serve as a resource to help improve the practice of survey research; and to broaden the understanding of public opinion through the use of survey data in the United States and abroad. Founded in 1947, the Roper Center holds data ranging from the 1930s, when survey research was in its infancy, to the present. Its collection now includes over 22,000 datasets and adds hundreds more each year. In total, the archive contains responses from millions of individuals on a vast range of topics.

Most of the surveys in the Roper Center were conducted on national samples, but there are also some state and local surveys, as well as a number of surveys of special populations of interest. Nearly all of the surveys are based on representative samples drawn according to the best practices of the time. Most of the data are from the United States, but over 100 nations are represented. Since its beginning, the Roper Center has focused on surveys conducted by the news media and commercial polling firms. However, it also holds many academic surveys, including important historical collections from the National Opinion Research Center and Princeton University’s Office of Public Opinion Research.

The Roper Center has a strong presence in the public opinion community and maintains cooperative relationships with other archives around the world. Its Board of Directors contains representatives from both academic and commercial public opinion research.



But again panther by all means produce some other stats

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Nov 8th, 2016 at 1:24pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 1:16pm:

Panther wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 1:12pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 12:36pm:

Panther wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 12:26pm:
Independents have traditionally gravitated to the Right in America, & I'm sure he will also get a huge portion of the voters his people convinced to register for this election.

So, to answer your question, no, not all the Independents donkey boy, not all of them.
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2012 it was 50-45 to Romney
2008 it was 52-44 to Obama
2004 it was 50-48 to Kerry
2000 it was 48-46 to Bush
1996 it was 44-37 to Clinton
1992 it was 38-32 to Clinton
1988 it was 57-43 to Bush
1984 it was 64-36 to Reagan
1980 it was 56-31 to Reagan
1976 it was 52-48 to Ford

http://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-1976/

So essentially it seems varying, not really favouring either party, since Reagan.


Well, & you can verify this, when a voter (potential voter because unlike here Americans can chose to vote or not) when a voter registers as an Independent in the USA they are not registering for, or in, any political party.

Most voters who register Independent do so because they despise political parties, & don't want anything to do with formal politics. They are making a statement that they are beholden to none....no party....no group....no politician....no philosophy.....etc...

Independent is not a party in the USA, & the only source in knowing how many independents actually voted in any given election, & for who they actually voted for, comes solely from exit polls......physically asking someone who just finished voting if they wouldn't mind telling them what party they might belong to, & who did they vote for, which isn't by any means accurate..........Americans like to mess with the media & pollsters heads you know.       

So I wouldn't put too much faith in those numbers donkey boy.




So by all means, produce some better numbers other than your gut feel.


PLease, the only thing to beat evidence is better evidence.




You'll have all that in a few days......patience donkey boy,

patience....all those numbers I've referred to, & you referred to too, were compiled after the election(s), not before.....so be patient.....they will eventually be published for your edification. 

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 8th, 2016 at 1:25pm

Panther wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 1:24pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 1:16pm:

Panther wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 1:12pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 12:36pm:

Panther wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 12:26pm:
Independents have traditionally gravitated to the Right in America, & I'm sure he will also get a huge portion of the voters his people convinced to register for this election.

So, to answer your question, no, not all the Independents donkey boy, not all of them.
[/i][/font][/size]




2012 it was 50-45 to Romney
2008 it was 52-44 to Obama
2004 it was 50-48 to Kerry
2000 it was 48-46 to Bush
1996 it was 44-37 to Clinton
1992 it was 38-32 to Clinton
1988 it was 57-43 to Bush
1984 it was 64-36 to Reagan
1980 it was 56-31 to Reagan
1976 it was 52-48 to Ford

http://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-1976/

So essentially it seems varying, not really favouring either party, since Reagan.


Well, & you can verify this, when a voter (potential voter because unlike here Americans can chose to vote or not) when a voter registers as an Independent in the USA they are not registering for, or in, any political party.

Most voters who register Independent do so because they despise political parties, & don't want anything to do with formal politics. They are making a statement that they are beholden to none....no party....no group....no politician....no philosophy.....etc...

Independent is not a party in the USA, & the only source in knowing how many independents actually voted in any given election, & for who they actually voted for, comes solely from exit polls......physically asking someone who just finished voting if they wouldn't mind telling them what party they might belong to, & who did they vote for, which isn't by any means accurate..........Americans like to mess with the media & pollsters heads you know.       

So I wouldn't put too much faith in those numbers donkey boy.




So by all means, produce some better numbers other than your gut feel.


PLease, the only thing to beat evidence is better evidence.




You'll have all that in a few days......patience donkey boy,

patience....all those numbers I've referred to, & you referred to too, were compiled after the election, not before.....so be patient.....they will eventually be published for your edification. 



My giddy aunt, I was referring to your assertion that INdependants traditionally lean to the right.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Nov 8th, 2016 at 1:32pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 1:25pm:
My giddy aunt, I was referring to your assertion that INdependants traditionally lean to the right.


It's about time donkey boy, that you begin to do your own research.....I know the facts.....by doing just that.....that's how I found them......so will you if you delve into the nitty-gritty facts yourself ;)

If you can't be bothered, then you'll just have to wonder for the rest of your little bitty life.  ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 8th, 2016 at 1:33pm

Panther wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 1:32pm:
It's about time donkey boy, that you begin to do your own research.....I know the facts.....by doing just that......so will you if you delve into the nitty-gritty facts yourself ;)

If you can't be bothered, then you'll just have to wonder for the rest of your little bitty life.  ;D ;D ;D



Lol, I thought I just did some research and presxented it, wheres your research?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Nov 8th, 2016 at 1:44pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 1:33pm:
[quote author=DreamRyderX link=1473874288/563#563 date=1478575965ht.

It's about time donkey boy, that you begin to do your own research.....I know the facts.....by doing just that......so will you if you delve into the nitty-gritty facts yourself ;)

If you can't be bothered, then you'll just have to wonder for the rest of your little bitty life.  ;D ;D ;D



Lol, I thought I just did some research and presxented it, wheres your research?[/quote]


OK....OK.....but for the very, very last time:

Here, follow   this link



There's over 2,000,000 possibilities for you to ponder donkey boy......have fun.
;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 8th, 2016 at 1:46pm
[url][/url]
Panther wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 1:44pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 1:33pm:
[quote author=DreamRyderX link=1473874288/563#563 date=1478575965ht.

It's about time donkey boy, that you begin to do your own research.....I know the facts.....by doing just that......so will you if you delve into the nitty-gritty facts yourself ;)

If you can't be bothered, then you'll just have to wonder for the rest of your little bitty life.  ;D ;D ;D



Lol, I thought I just did some research and presxented it, wheres your research?



OK....OK.....but for the very, very last time:

Here, follow   this link



There's over 2,000,000 possibilities for you to ponder donkey boy......have fun.
;D ;D ;D

[/quote]



Cheers, thats what I did  and the link came up.http://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2012/


SO produce your evidence you thickshit.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Nov 8th, 2016 at 2:10pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 1:46pm:
[url][/url]
Panther wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 1:44pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 1:33pm:
[quote author=DreamRyderX link=1473874288/563#563 date=1478575965ht.

It's about time donkey boy, that you begin to do your own research.....I know the facts.....by doing just that......so will you if you delve into the nitty-gritty facts yourself ;)

If you can't be bothered, then you'll just have to wonder for the rest of your little bitty life.  ;D ;D ;D



Lol, I thought I just did some research and presxented it, wheres your research?



OK....OK.....but for the very, very last time:

Here, follow   this link



There's over 2,000,000 possibilities for you to ponder donkey boy......have fun.
;D ;D ;D




Cheers, thats what I did  and the link came up.http://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2012/


SO produce your evidence you thickshit. [/quote]

Oh, it's in there......seek, & ye shall find....told you I'm not doing your research anymore....enjoy   

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 8th, 2016 at 2:11pm

Panther wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 2:10pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 1:46pm:
[url][/url]
Panther wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 1:44pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 1:33pm:
[quote author=DreamRyderX link=1473874288/563#563 date=1478575965ht.

It's about time donkey boy, that you begin to do your own research.....I know the facts.....by doing just that......so will you if you delve into the nitty-gritty facts yourself ;)

If you can't be bothered, then you'll just have to wonder for the rest of your little bitty life.  ;D ;D ;D



Lol, I thought I just did some research and presxented it, wheres your research?



OK....OK.....but for the very, very last time:

Here, follow   this link



There's over 2,000,000 possibilities for you to ponder donkey boy......have fun.
;D ;D ;D




Cheers, thats what I did  and the link came up.http://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2012/


SO produce your evidence you thickshit.


Oh, it's in there......seek, & ye shall find....told you I'm not doing your research anymore....enjoy   
[/quote]



So to summarise,


I have produced evidence
You have not.



Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Nov 8th, 2016 at 2:17pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 2:11pm:

Panther wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 2:10pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 1:46pm:
[url][/url]
Panther wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 1:44pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 1:33pm:
[quote author=DreamRyderX link=1473874288/563#563 date=1478575965ht.

It's about time donkey boy, that you begin to do your own research.....I know the facts.....by doing just that......so will you if you delve into the nitty-gritty facts yourself ;)

If you can't be bothered, then you'll just have to wonder for the rest of your little bitty life.  ;D ;D ;D



Lol, I thought I just did some research and presxented it, wheres your research?



OK....OK.....but for the very, very last time:

Here, follow   this link



There's over 2,000,000 possibilities for you to ponder donkey boy......have fun.
;D ;D ;D




Cheers, thats what I did  and the link came up.http://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2012/


SO produce your evidence you thickshit.


Oh, it's in there......seek, & ye shall find....told you I'm not doing your research anymore....enjoy   




So to summarise,


I have produced evidence
You have not.


[/quote]

It's at least one of those 1,900,000 or so links, it's up to you to find which one(s).

Now, donkey boy, I wonder which one of us won't be sleeping peacefully tonight??

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 8th, 2016 at 2:18pm

Panther wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 2:17pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 2:11pm:

Panther wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 2:10pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 1:46pm:
[url][/url]
Panther wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 1:44pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 1:33pm:
[quote author=DreamRyderX link=1473874288/563#563 date=1478575965ht.

It's about time donkey boy, that you begin to do your own research.....I know the facts.....by doing just that......so will you if you delve into the nitty-gritty facts yourself ;)

If you can't be bothered, then you'll just have to wonder for the rest of your little bitty life.  ;D ;D ;D



Lol, I thought I just did some research and presxented it, wheres your research?



OK....OK.....but for the very, very last time:

Here, follow   this link



There's over 2,000,000 possibilities for you to ponder donkey boy......have fun.
;D ;D ;D




Cheers, thats what I did  and the link came up.http://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2012/


SO produce your evidence you thickshit.


Oh, it's in there......seek, & ye shall find....told you I'm not doing your research anymore....enjoy   




So to summarise,


I have produced evidence
You have not.


It's at least one of those 1,900,000 or so links, it's up to you to find which one(s).

Now, donkey boy, I wonder which one of us won't be sleeping peacefully tonight??
[/quote]



Nah doubt I will be sleeping peacfully to be honest. Have a hot date.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by jeez on Nov 8th, 2016 at 2:27pm
Another 911 type attack today would ensure Trump would romp in, terror attacks are probably scheduled to start again Thursday.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 8th, 2016 at 10:52pm
Polls have been open 52 minutes on the east coast and HRC has a 71.6% chance of winning according to Silver:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by cods on Nov 8th, 2016 at 10:57pm

AiA wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 10:52pm:
Polls have been open 52 minutes on the east coast and HRC has a 71.6% chance of winning according to Silver:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo



still havent a clue how your system works.. here it isnt until the polling booths close they start the count..

are your computer counted or something?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:08am
HRC still has a 71.6% chance of winning as of 3 minutes ago:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 9th, 2016 at 7:20am
71.4% chance of winning HRC has

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

I don't think Silver will be updating this forecast again but will be blogging all night long.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 9th, 2016 at 7:27am
Keep an eye on Florida in the next few hours.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 9th, 2016 at 7:28am

AiA wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 7:27am:
Keep an eye on Florida in the next few hours.


Trump has to win Florida. Without that state he has no path to victory.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by gottasay on Nov 9th, 2016 at 7:29am
From here, Reply 12.
Re-posting...
w-ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1478557674/0#12


Quote:
I'm from Australia, and yes admittedly a "swinging TV couch voter" waiting to hear something that is not within the bounds of political BS, hype and fantasy.

I immediately swung over to Trump whilst sitting on the fence, leaning to fall into whoever has the intestinal fortitude, ( guts ) and speak out about jobs leaving the local country, manufacturers going abroad and selling their products back to their country of origin.
Because this is happening in Australia, to.

So if I was in USA, I would vote for Trump because he made it well known, very well known, ( words to the effect of ), "those in Michigan who decide to go to another country, to make the same product/s and sell it back to USA will incure a 35% tarrif", or words to that effect.

We need that here to in Australia.

Problem is, like anything in politics during election campaigns they may tend to say the obvious, they win and then nothing constructive gets done.

So it is Trump, then wait and see.

Australia needs a "Trump" to kick some ass and get on with it.

H Clinton, she is like my "big sister", love her all the same, but I don't think we are in a world these days to pussy-foot around, with all due respect. The world has real problems in this day and age and for our own survival the "killer instinct" in both business and defense needs to be allowed a slight free hand to put those extremists in line with the current times !

One more thing, and this is to manufacturers and the Greenies;

If you lot are serious about the global environment, then bringing back true product quality control where things last longer,then natural resources can be maintained.
Cheap "Chinese" quality faded products and the concept of perpetual consumerism for the sake of profit, hopefully will be a thing of the past.

Trump can make this happen.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 9th, 2016 at 9:53am
The Clinton campaign expects to win Virginia shortly. Georgia is thought to be close but will go to Trump.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 9th, 2016 at 10:01am
CNN is projecting Indiana and Kentucky going to Trump.
Vermont is Hillary's.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 9th, 2016 at 10:02am

AiA wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 10:01am:
CNN is projecting Indiana and Kentucky going to Trump.
Vermont is Hillary's.




No surprises so far then.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 9th, 2016 at 10:05am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 10:02am:

AiA wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 10:01am:
CNN is projecting Indiana and Kentucky going to Trump.
Vermont is Hillary's.




No surprises so far then.


No.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Agnes on Nov 9th, 2016 at 10:13am
Florida just closed..if Trump doesn't win in Florida he can't win the Presidency... looking very good for Clinton over all..


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-08/polls-open-in-us-election-trump-clinton-live/8006596

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Nov 9th, 2016 at 10:58am

Virginia.......Trump 54%  Clinton 35%

National Popular Vote.....Trump 50.7%  Clinton 47% 

Florida.....Clinton 48.7%  Trump 46%

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 9th, 2016 at 10:59am

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 10:58am:
Virginia.......Trump 54%  Clinton 35%

National Popular Vote.....Trump 50.7%  Clinton 47% 





No surprises as yet.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:05am
More states in still no surprises.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:08am
Florida.....Clinton 48.9%  Trump 48.2%

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:08am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:05am:
More states in still no surprises.


Is Gary Johnson winning?    :)

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:10am

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:08am:
Florida.....Clinton 48.9%  Trump 48.2%



You do realise thats not good news for the right?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:14am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:10am:

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:08am:
Florida.....Clinton 48.9%  Trump 48.2%



You do realise thats not good news for the right?


So, would you prefer I lie like the LEFT would?

Actually, if you look at my earlier post, Trump is rising.....


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:15am

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:14am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:10am:

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:08am:
Florida.....Clinton 48.9%  Trump 48.2%



You do realise thats not good news for the right?


So, would you prefer I lie like the LEFT would?

Actually, if you look at my earlier post, Trump is rising.....




WHy would I lie, the results are right there, you can;t lie about them.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:25am


National Popular Vote.....Trump 50.3%  Clinton 46.1% 

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:26am

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:25am:
National Popular Vote.....Trump 50.3%  Clinton 46.1% 



DIdnt realise  the national popular vote mattered.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:28am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:26am:

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:25am:
National Popular Vote.....Trump 50.3%  Clinton 46.1% 



DIdnt realise  the national popular vote mattered.


He's grasping at straws.

The end is nigh.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:33am
Florida.....Trump 48.9%  Clinton 48.1%   92% of votes counted

Florida has a mandatory recount law if the count is too close at 100% counted.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:34am

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:33am:
Florida.....Trump 48.9%  Clinton 48.1%   92% of votes counted




Just out of interest sakes where are you getting these from Panther?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:35am
Various states will go back and forth between Trump and Clinton for hours. No reason to get a hard on just yet ...

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:37am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:34am:

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:33am:
Florida.....Trump 48.9%  Clinton 48.1%   92% of votes counted




Just out of interest sakes where are you getting these from Panther?


A Satellite Feed, which is direct from the US Board of Elections 

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:38am

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:37am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:34am:

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:33am:
Florida.....Trump 48.9%  Clinton 48.1%   92% of votes counted




Just out of interest sakes where are you getting these from Panther?


Satellite Feed 



Which channel


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Baronvonrort on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:39am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:28am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:26am:

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:25am:
National Popular Vote.....Trump 50.3%  Clinton 46.1% 



DIdnt realise  the national popular vote mattered.


He's grasping at straws.

The end is nigh.


We know you're grasping at your little pecca.

NBC say Republicans will maintain control of house of reps

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:39am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:34am:

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:33am:
Florida.....Trump 48.9%  Clinton 48.1%   92% of votes counted

Just out of interest sakes where are you getting these from Panther?


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2016/nov/08/us-election-2016-results-live-clinton-trump?view=map&type=presidential

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=election+result&rlz=1C1CHFX_enAU679AU679&oq=election+result&aqs=chrome..69i57.2775j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=us+election+result

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:39am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:38am:

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:37am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:34am:

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:33am:
Florida.....Trump 48.9%  Clinton 48.1%   92% of votes counted




Just out of interest sakes where are you getting these from Panther?


Satellite Feed 



Which channel


604

Looks like Clinton is trending Nationally, but it's too too close.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:39am
Florida was expected to be tight. If Trump wins the state the election night will be that much longer ...

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:40am

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:39am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:38am:

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:37am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:34am:

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:33am:
Florida.....Trump 48.9%  Clinton 48.1%   92% of votes counted




Just out of interest sakes where are you getting these from Panther?


Satellite Feed 



Which channel


604



You're an idiot.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:41am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:39am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:34am:

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:33am:
Florida.....Trump 48.9%  Clinton 48.1%   92% of votes counted

Just out of interest sakes where are you getting these from Panther?


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2016/nov/08/us-election-2016-results-live-clinton-trump?view=map&type=presidential




Thats what I'm using but it has nothing about percentage of votes counted. It says precincts reporting.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:42am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:40am:

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:39am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:38am:

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:37am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:34am:

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:33am:
Florida.....Trump 48.9%  Clinton 48.1%   92% of votes counted




Just out of interest sakes where are you getting these from Panther?


Satellite Feed 



Which channel


604



You're an idiot.


Awww donkey boy dunt have no satellite? 

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:44am

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:42am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:40am:

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:39am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:38am:

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:37am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:34am:

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:33am:
Florida.....Trump 48.9%  Clinton 48.1%   92% of votes counted




Just out of interest sakes where are you getting these from Panther?


Satellite Feed 



Which channel


604



You're an idiot.


Awww donkey boy dunt have no satellite? 




No, just disputing the 92% thing.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:45am

Clinton 182

Trump 120

Not long now.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:46am
http://sattvguide.com.au/

Why are you listening to NIRS community radio.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:47am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:45am:
Clinton 182

Trump 120

Not long now.




Ummm where is this being reported.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:47am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:47am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:45am:
Clinton 182

Trump 120

Not long now.




Ummm where is this being reported.


Antony Green.

Safe seats.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:49am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:47am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:47am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:45am:
Clinton 182

Trump 120

Not long now.




Ummm where is this being reported.


Antony Green.

Safe seats.




Mmm so essentially down to what it was before hand really, just watching the swing states

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:49am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:44am:
No, just disputing the 92% thing.


Polls in Florida closed 2 hours ago.

Florida is a State that computerized years ago, so the counts are quick.....very, but if the count is too close there, there's a mandatory recount, which could cause manual counting of punch-board ballots.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:50am

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:49am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:44am:
No, just disputing the 92% thing.


Florida is a State that computerised years ago, so the counts are quick.....very, but if the count is too close there, theres a manditory recount, which could cause manual counting of punch-board ballots.



Again though this doesnt answer my essential question.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:55am
Just went to CNN, 91% estimated. Cheers for not asnwering it Panther, would never have fond it on my own.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:08pm
Florida.....Trump 49.2%  Clinton 47.7% with 92% of the total vote counted

A mandatory recount in Florida is triggered when there is a  0.5%   or less margin of victory

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:19pm
Breitbart has Trump with 538 electoral college votes.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:19pm

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:08pm:
Florida.....Trump 49.2%  Clinton 47.7% with 92% of the total vote counted

A mandatory recount in Florida is triggered when there is a  0.5%   or less margin of victory



I'm guessing recount then.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:22pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:19pm:
Breitbart has Trump with 538 electoral college votes.


I could believe 138, but there isn't even 538 total votes.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:24pm

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:22pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:19pm:
Breitbart has Trump with 538 electoral college votes.


I could believe 138, but there isn't even 538 total votes.





Ummm, do you even get the college system


he United States Electoral College is the body that elects the President and Vice President of the United States every four years. Citizens of the United States do not directly elect the president or the vice president; instead they choose "electors", who usually pledge to vote for particular candidates.[1][2][3]
The number of electors in each state is equal to the number of members of Congress to which the state is entitled,[4] while the Twenty-third Amendment grants the District of Columbia the same number of electors as the least populous state, which is currently three. Therefore, there are currently 538 electors, corresponding to the 435 Representatives and 100 Senators, plus the three additional electors from the District of Columbia. The Constitution bars any federal official, elected or appointed, from being an elector.


Hence why they have to get to 270

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:25pm

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:22pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:19pm:
Breitbart has Trump with 538 electoral college votes.


I could believe 138, but there isn't even 538 total votes.


I'm pretty sure there is exactly that number.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:27pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:19pm:

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:08pm:
Florida.....Trump 49.2%  Clinton 47.7% with 92% of the total vote counted

A mandatory recount in Florida is triggered when there is a  0.5%   or less margin of victory



I'm guessing recount then.




If it came to 100% of the vote counted, & the percentages were  50.1%  to  49.3%, the 50.1% would be declared the winner with no recount. 

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:28pm

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:27pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:19pm:

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:08pm:
Florida.....Trump 49.2%  Clinton 47.7% with 92% of the total vote counted

A mandatory recount in Florida is triggered when there is a  0.5%   or less margin of victory



I'm guessing recount then.




If it came to 100% of the vote counted, & the percentages were  50.1%  to  49.3%, the 50.1% would be declared the winner with no recount. 




Yes, but Trump isn't going to increase his vote in FL, given the only big county left to count is overwhelmingly Democrat

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:30pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:24pm:

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:22pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:19pm:
Breitbart has Trump with 538 electoral college votes.


I could believe 138, but there isn't even 538 total votes.





Ummm, do you even get the college system


he United States Electoral College is the body that elects the President and Vice President of the United States every four years. Citizens of the United States do not directly elect the president or the vice president; instead they choose "electors", who usually pledge to vote for particular candidates.[1][2][3]
The number of electors in each state is equal to the number of members of Congress to which the state is entitled,[4] while the Twenty-third Amendment grants the District of Columbia the same number of electors as the least populous state, which is currently three. Therefore, there are currently 538 electors, corresponding to the 435 Representatives and 100 Senators, plus the three additional electors from the District of Columbia. The Constitution bars any federal official, elected or appointed, from being an elector.


Hence why they have to get to 270


So, then there is exactly 538.......wow....what a landslide for TRUMP!!

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Agnes on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:38pm
Trump is going to win..un educated rednecks have spoken. Breaking- Hillary just won Connetticut-

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Baronvonrort on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:39pm

Agnes wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:38pm:
Trump is going to win..un educated rednecks have spoken.


It sounds like a case of sour grapes from the retarded leftists.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by mothra on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:40pm

Agnes wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:38pm:
Trump is going to win..un educated rednecks have spoken.



Don't despair Agnes.

He's only won what he was expected to win.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:40pm

Agnes wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:38pm:
Trump is going to win..


Wanna bet?


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:41pm

mothra wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:40pm:

Agnes wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:38pm:
Trump is going to win..un educated rednecks have spoken.



Don't despair Agnes.

He's only won what he was expected to win.


Exactly.

His tally will get as high as 158 shortly.

Hillary will be POTUS, though.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Agnes on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:42pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:39pm:

Agnes wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:38pm:
Trump is going to win..un educated rednecks have spoken.


It sounds like a case of sour grapes from the retarded leftists.

It is way to close to call I know- but funny how a resident redneck jumps straight on my post..LOL- now git back to pickin' yer teeth with a corn stalk and have another swig of brew. :-*

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Agnes on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:43pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:41pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:40pm:

Agnes wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:38pm:
Trump is going to win..un educated rednecks have spoken.



Don't despair Agnes.

He's only won what he was expected to win.


Exactly.

His tally will get as high as 158 shortly.

Hillary will be POTUS, though.

we live in  hope..

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:51pm

Agnes wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:41pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:40pm:

Agnes wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:38pm:
Trump is going to win..un educated rednecks have spoken.



Don't despair Agnes.

He's only won what he was expected to win.


Exactly.

His tally will get as high as 158 shortly.

Hillary will be POTUS, though.

we live in  hope..



The trend at the moment, which is always subject to change, but based on exit polls......people who already voted......the Hispanic & Black Vote for Clinton didn't materialize....only a 1% Hispanic hop over 2012.......the Black vote is down by over 4% from 2012....that's massive.....day be stayin' home.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by gandalf on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:56pm
If it remains close I believe there is a possible scenario where neither gets to 270. Not sure what happens then, but it will be interesting to see.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:56pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:56pm:
If it remains close I believe there is a possible scenario where neither gets to 270. Not sure what happens then, but it will be interesting to see.



Not sure.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:01pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 12:56pm:
If it remains close I believe there is a possible scenario where neither gets to 270. Not sure what happens then, but it will be interesting to see.


If that happens, it goes to the U.S. House of Representatives......Republican Controlled......for a final vote to who becomes the President Elect.....which favors Trump.

The chance of this happening is extremely improbable.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by gandalf on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:04pm
This from Clinton stalwart Bruce Wolpe - who a couple of days ago was pretty confident of a  Clinton win:

"If [Clinton] wins North Carolina, that will compensate for Virginia, so over the next hour or so, it will be North Carolina that will determine this. If she loses North Carolina and also loses Ohio, then Trump will become president, but we are not close to that."

Also - since saying this, the dems have regained a slender lead in Virginia - as they predicted they would as they were getting to some black and latino booths.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:09pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:04pm:
This from Clinton stalwart Bruce Wolpe - who a couple of days ago was pretty confident of a  Clinton win:

"If [Clinton] wins North Carolina, that will compensate for Virginia, so over the next hour or so, it will be North Carolina that will determine this. If she loses North Carolina and also loses Ohio, then Trump will become president, but we are not close to that."

Also - since saying this, the dems have regained a slender lead in Virginia - as they predicted they would as they were getting to some black and latino booths.


FOX News....you know the biased FOX News.....they call Virginia for Clinton based on outstanding counts to be completed.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by gandalf on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:20pm

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:09pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:04pm:
This from Clinton stalwart Bruce Wolpe - who a couple of days ago was pretty confident of a  Clinton win:

"If [Clinton] wins North Carolina, that will compensate for Virginia, so over the next hour or so, it will be North Carolina that will determine this. If she loses North Carolina and also loses Ohio, then Trump will become president, but we are not close to that."

Also - since saying this, the dems have regained a slender lead in Virginia - as they predicted they would as they were getting to some black and latino booths.


FOX News....you know the biased FOX News.....they call Virginia for Clinton based on outstanding counts to be completed.


Virginia doesn't really matter, and no one expected the repugs would win it anyway. Everything hinges on Florida. If Clinton wins it, its all over, if Trump wins he's still in the race.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:20pm
The markets are tanking as Trump unexpectedly surges ...

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Unforgiven on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:22pm

AiA wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:20pm:
The markets are tanking as Trump unexpectedly surges ...


Uncle Sam has an erection and it drained the blood from his head.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by bogarde73 on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:22pm
Yep, Wall St thinks it knows who won.

They've finally given Ohio to Trump. Taken their time, it's been obvious for a good while.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by gandalf on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:24pm
The guru has spoken - and its promising for Trump!


Quote:
High likelihood Trump will be the next president: Antony Green


ABC election analyst Antony Green spoke to ABC News 24 a short time ago and says things are looking promising for Donald Trump.


"I think Virginia is fine... Florida is firming for Trump, 29 votes, Ohio firming strongly for Trump, that's 47, and then Michigan, also Trump ahead at the moment, an extra 16 votes. That's 63. That puts Trump on 269, 270 - so basically a path there and other states where the Democrats are in trouble," he said.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by mothra on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:26pm
Just in... Trump has won Ohio.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Agnes on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:30pm
Antony Green practically all but calls it for Trump.. :-[

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by gandalf on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:31pm
LOL stockmarkets all around the world are apparently in freefall.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:32pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:31pm:
LOL stockmarkets all around the world are apparently in freefall.


yep

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:32pm
Looks like Pax Americana continues its decline.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:35pm
Trump has a 55% chance of winning

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by mothra on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:38pm

AiA wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:35pm:
Trump has a 55% chance of winning



I don't think i can stand watching him on the telly for 4 years.

I hope he's at least funny.

From Obama to Trump...  talk about the sublime to the ridiculous.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by gandalf on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:39pm
Consider this folks:

Repugs have maintained control of both houses. Therefore if Trump gets in, barring a massive rift within the GOP, he'll virtually have free reign to do whatever he wants, with very few checks and balances. Isn't this just a little concerning??

On the other hand if Clinton pulls off some miracle and somehow wins, she will literally be allowed to do nothing at all.

So its either a maniac with almost complete free reign, or utter deadlock.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:40pm
CNN is giving Trump a path to win. And called Virgina for HRC.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:41pm

mothra wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:38pm:

AiA wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:35pm:
Trump has a 55% chance of winning



I don't think i can stand watching him on the telly for 4 years.

I hope he's at least funny.

From Obama to Trump...  talk about the sublime to the ridiculous.




I guess I maintain some hopes.

1. Trump has zero interest in policy, so hopefully he just acts as a figurehead and allows clever people to do all the work.
2. Hopefully he doesn't do that much damage in 4 years.
3. The cooler heads in the Republican party slow him down

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:41pm
NBC projects Colorado for Clinton but it isn't enough for her to win.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:43pm
So much for the prediction industry :)

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:46pm
It is now 50 -50

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by mothra on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:48pm

AiA wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:46pm:
It is now 50 -50



Jesus....   :-/

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Agnes on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:50pm
I think I will just tune out - it could be a long few days even. Its all over the place and everyones predictions differ.   Where is Sprinty.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by gandalf on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:54pm
WOW - big news:

Florida just called for Trump!

That was the big one folks.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by bogarde73 on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:56pm
They'll have to credit him with North Carolina soon surely.

It's gonna be down to Florida but without the hanging tabs.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:57pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:54pm:
WOW - big news:

Florida just called for Trump!

That was the big one folks.



Yep

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by mothra on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:57pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:54pm:
WOW - big news:

Florida just called for Trump!

That was the big one folks.



Yep.  Just heard.

With Florida and Ohio down,  things are looking grim.

I'm gonna miss Greg  :(

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Baronvonrort on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:00pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:54pm:
WOW - big news:

Florida just called for Trump!

That was the big one folks.


Michigan will go to Trump as well.

A big win for the Republicans.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:00pm
financial markets keep falling

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:01pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:00pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:54pm:
WOW - big news:

Florida just called for Trump!

That was the big one folks.


Michigan will go to Trump as well.

A big win for the Republicans.




Not sure how you can call that after 45% of the vote counted/

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:02pm
California and Hawaii go to Hillary and she pulls ahead in Electoral Votes but she could still lose ...

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Agnes on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:02pm
Clinton ahead in electoral votes 190- 171- major.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:02pm

mothra wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:57pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:54pm:
WOW - big news:

Florida just called for Trump!

That was the big one folks.



Yep.  Just heard.

With Florida and Ohio down,  things are looking grim.

I'm gonna miss Greg 


Steady your aim.

;)

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:04pm
Florida is still too close to call

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:07pm
Either way, I didnt see either winner, lasting into a 2nd term.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:07pm

mothra wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:57pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 1:54pm:
WOW - big news:

Florida just called for Trump!

That was the big one folks.



Yep.  Just heard.

With Florida and Ohio down,  things are looking grim.

I'm gonna miss Greg  :(



What's with you people......Since when don't we show the unfortunate a bit of compassion. Sure, just as I still believe Trump is an asshole (smart, but still an asshole), & I have always believed that Greggy is a much bigger asshole, if Trump continues to prevail & become the President Elect, I will accept him gladly, & Greggy.....if you're still with us, I will take you off IGNORE, & wipe your slate of ignorant indiscretions clean.

How you fare thereafter though......is totally up to you Greggy.

So Greggy, reconsider staying, & enjoy your freedom of speech on here, a freedom that you were willing to toss away.



Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Aussie on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:08pm

AiA wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:04pm:
Florida is still too close to call


Been given to Trump by Australian commentators.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by bogarde73 on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:08pm
How things have a habit of coming back to bite you on the bum.
NY Times said before counting started that the Clinton woman had an 80% chance of winning.
Now they are saying Trump has a 73% chance of winning.

I'm saving them for "egg on face".

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:09pm
Trump carries North Carolina

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:09pm

Aussie wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:08pm:

AiA wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:04pm:
Florida is still too close to call


Been given to Trump by Australian commentators.



By FOX News too. ;)



Also.....just as an aside......Enrique Peña Nieto was seen grabbing his Presidente knee-pads, & more importantly, his checkbook....

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:11pm
Trump now has a 61% chance of winning

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by bogarde73 on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:14pm
Ohio, North Carolina, Florida . . .it's about done here isn't it?

Now where's that President Donald J Trump thread?
No time, have to go now for family duties.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:22pm
A Trump win or even a close Hillary win will embolden the Bernie Sanders wing of the Democratic Party.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by mortdooley on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:23pm

AiA wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:11pm:
Trump now has a 61% chance of winning


Damn, that must really frost your balls.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:25pm

AiA wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:22pm:
A Trump win or even a close Hillary win will embolden the Bernie Sanders wing of the Democratic Party.



Possibly.


I think the problem was this was the least policy driven election campaign I've ever seen, and when you have two candidates with such poor personalities, this is what tends to happen.

My feeling is that even Obama of 2012 would have wiped the floor with Trump of 2016.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Dnarever on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:29pm
If Trump wins does it mean that sexual assault is ok ?

Can we expect a substantial increase ?

Do Americans really want to vote for sexual assault ?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by gandalf on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:31pm
New York Times projection currently has Trump winning at 95%  ;D

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:32pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:25pm:

AiA wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:22pm:
A Trump win or even a close Hillary win will embolden the Bernie Sanders wing of the Democratic Party.



Possibly.


I think the problem was this was the least policy driven election campaign I've ever seen, and when you have two candidates with such poor personalities, this is what tends to happen.

My feeling is that even Obama of 2012 would have wiped the floor with Trump of 2016.


Obama could have easily won a third term ... against anybody.

Title: Who Won the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:36pm
Iowa, Georgia, & Wisconsin have just been given to Trump!

Clinton's Blue Wall has been obliterated.....he realistically can't be stopped if he maintains the rest of the Red States that were seen as "Given Republican" ......



270's Within Reach Now.....  




Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Sir Bobby on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:36pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:31pm:
New York Times projection currently has Trump winning at 95%  ;D



Yes - it looks like Trump has won.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:37pm

AiA wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:32pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:25pm:

AiA wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:22pm:
A Trump win or even a close Hillary win will embolden the Bernie Sanders wing of the Democratic Party.



Possibly.


I think the problem was this was the least policy driven election campaign I've ever seen, and when you have two candidates with such poor personalities, this is what tends to happen.

My feeling is that even Obama of 2012 would have wiped the floor with Trump of 2016.


Obama could have easily won a third term ... against anybody.



Yeah, but its more my point that essentially these are the two worst candidates in an election I can remember

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:37pm
there hasn't been a race this close since 2000

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Agnes on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:39pm
and God help America..

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:40pm

Agnes wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:39pm:
and God help America..




Nah screw that, God only helps those who help themselves right?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:44pm
Did see something on FB though


Donald Trump is just a reminder that you should just apply for the job you want even if you dont have the experience for it.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:46pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:40pm:

Agnes wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:39pm:
and God help America..




God only helps those who help themselves right?


And they have by firmly rebuking SHillary Clinton!

Over 50 million votes, & still counting for 'The Donald' ........ that's more than twice the amount of people here in Australia!


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Black Orchid on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:47pm
Trump will probably end up being touted as the best President that the US has seen since Reagan.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:47pm

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:47pm:
Trump will probably end up being touted as the best President that the US has seen since Reagan.


I wouldn't go that far.....but in 8 years we'll come back here & discuss that. ;)

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:49pm

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:46pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:40pm:

Agnes wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:39pm:
and God help America..




God only helps those who help themselves right?


And they have by firmly rebuking SHillary Clinton!

Over 50 million votes, & still counting for 'The Donald' ........ that's more than twice the amount of people here in Australia!




Boy 50 million you dont say.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:49pm

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:47pm:
Trump will probably end up being touted as the best President that the US has seen since Reagan.





Time will tell I guess.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:53pm

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:46pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:40pm:

Agnes wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:39pm:
and God help America..




God only helps those who help themselves right?


And they have by firmly rebuking SHillary Clinton!

Over 50 million votes, & still counting for 'The Donald' ........ that's more than twice the amount of people here in Australia!


Yet only 16% of the population of the US.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:54pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:49pm:

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:46pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:40pm:

Agnes wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:39pm:
and God help America..




God only helps those who help themselves right?


And they have by firmly rebuking SHillary Clinton!

Over 50 million votes, & still counting for 'The Donald' ........ that's more than twice the amount of people here in Australia!




Boy 50 million you dont say.





In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Agnes on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:56pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:40pm:

Agnes wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:39pm:
and God help America..




Nah screw that, God only helps those who help themselves right?

yes you are right but his incompetence will be felt globally..

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:57pm

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:54pm:

In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

[pre][/pre]




Oh joy, you've trotted up that completely fabricated quote again. Well done.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Panther on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:59pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:53pm:

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:46pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:40pm:

Agnes wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:39pm:
and God help America..




God only helps those who help themselves right?


And they have by firmly rebuking SHillary Clinton!

Over 50 million votes, & still counting for 'The Donald' ........ that's more than twice the amount of people here in Australia!


Yet only 16% of the population of the US.


@ Greggy  True.....but that's what Freedom & Liberty is all about......those that could have voted, & didn't, had that choice because brave Americans laid down their precious lives to protect that right for them over 230+ years.

BTW.....as far as I'm concerned the slates clean if Trump wins....everyone deserves some shred of compassion.



Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Neferti on Nov 9th, 2016 at 3:00pm

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:47pm:
Trump will probably end up being touted as the best President that the US has seen since Reagan.


That is what I am seeing from commentators on the Fox News Channel (604).

Trump 254
Clinton 209


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 9th, 2016 at 3:14pm

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:53pm:

Panther wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:46pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:40pm:

Agnes wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:39pm:
and God help America..




God only helps those who help themselves right?


And they have by firmly rebuking SHillary Clinton!

Over 50 million votes, & still counting for 'The Donald' ........ that's more than twice the amount of people here in Australia!


Yet only 16% of the population of the US.


@ Greggy  True.....but that's what Freedom & Liberty is all about......those that could have voted, & didn't, had that choice because brave Americans laid down their precious lives to protect that right for them over 230+ years.



Indeed.

Those who didn't vote only have themselves to blame if Trump becomes POTUS.

They have no right to complain if they don't like what happens next.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 9th, 2016 at 3:19pm
The real winner tonight is Marijuana:  California legalized recreational use and Florida medical use.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Black Orchid on Nov 9th, 2016 at 3:22pm
Medicinal use of Marijuana is now legal for some patients in NSW.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Black Orchid on Nov 9th, 2016 at 3:24pm
The revenge of the Deplorables   ;D

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by davo on Nov 9th, 2016 at 3:28pm
I wonder who will be first to give Trump a congratulatory phone call Putin?  ;D

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by longweekend58 on Nov 9th, 2016 at 3:58pm

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 2:47pm:
Trump will probably end up being touted as the best President that the US has seen since Reagan.


We will see how he goes letting Russia back into eastern europe and leaving south korea undefended.

Thats if he doesnt nuke someone first.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by longweekend58 on Nov 9th, 2016 at 3:59pm

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 3:24pm:
The revenge of the Deplorables   ;D


because the revenge of the retards is such a good thing to look forward to.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Sprintcyclist on Nov 9th, 2016 at 4:01pm


Whoever gets the next '10+ Electoral vote' state is looking good.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Belgarion on Nov 9th, 2016 at 4:07pm
I see the talking heads and the usual suspects are already predicting rains of blood, showers of frogs, plagues of locusts etc. because the American people have had the audacity to ignore the dictates of their betters and vote against their wishes.

Just like Brexit, the establishment, the SJWs and the media elite can't get their heads around the fact that the people are sick of being lectured, ignored and condescended to.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Black Orchid on Nov 9th, 2016 at 4:56pm
That's about the sum of it with more to come.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Nov 9th, 2016 at 8:42pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 10:59am:
More like 'bugger it with turning up in the first place'.

Interesting history behind the Tuesday election day thing. Apparently back in colonial days weekends were out for religious reasons, so as soon as church was over folks would get on their wagons and spend all of Monday travelling to town to vote in time for Tuesday. Then they would have to rush back for market day on Wednesday.

Today, I imagine its a major inconvenience having election day on a weekday. And guess who is discriminated by this the most? the poorest most marginalised unskilled workers. Which would explain why the repugs have continuously blocked all attempts to change the day. And statistics of voter turnouts consistently confirm this - its the most vulnerable - typically democrat voters who don't vote. The exception to this was 2008 when the minorities came out in droves to vote for Obama.

NOW you see how stupid and hollow you sound ALL the time.



Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 9th, 2016 at 10:23pm
So much for the election prediction industry ...

Trump is a real estate salesperson and like any good salesperson he will try to deliver

Title: Donald Trump won the Presidency!
Post by Panther on Nov 10th, 2016 at 8:43am

AiA wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 10:23pm:
So much for the election prediction industry ...

Trump is a real estate salesperson and like any good salesperson he will try to deliver


What wasn't understood, could have never been predicted. But they did try.....failed miserably.....but yes, they tried to hoodwink the American People, & con the World......total failure on all fronts.

IMHO there were just too many variables, but one stands out above the rest, the American People's strong desire to not be told what they can't do, in the face of what they can & will do!

The People, a Free People, chose who they wanted to serve them, not the Media, not Wall Street, not Hollywood, not Europe, not the World....

Title: Re: Donald Trump won the Presidency!
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 10th, 2016 at 8:49am

Panther wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 8:43am:
IMHO there were just too many variables, but one stands out above the rest, the American People's strong desire to not be told what they can't do, in the face of what they can & will do!
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Hypothetical though for you and all the other Trumpites here. If he doesn't do what he promised, i.e. building a wall etc, getting back all the manufacturing jobs, will you guys drop support?


And you can't answer well he will do that. I want to know what if he doesn't?

Title: Re: Donald Trump won the Presidency!
Post by Panther on Nov 10th, 2016 at 8:53am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 8:49am:

Panther wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 8:43am:
IMHO there were just too many variables, but one stands out above the rest, the American People's strong desire to not be told what they can't do, in the face of what they can & will do!
[/i][/font][/size]




Hypothetical though for you and all the other Trumpites here. If he doesn't do what he promised, i.e. building a wall etc, getting back all the manufacturing jobs, will you guys drop support?


And you can't answer well he will do that. I want to know what if he doesn't?


Last time I looked this is still Australia, & we need to be concerned with Turnbull, not Trump, breaking promises.....let America sort out their own servants.......as I'm sure they will.   

Title: Re: Donald Trump won the Presidency!
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 10th, 2016 at 8:57am

Panther wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 8:53am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 8:49am:

Panther wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 8:43am:
IMHO there were just too many variables, but one stands out above the rest, the American People's strong desire to not be told what they can't do, in the face of what they can & will do!
[/i][/font][/size]




Hypothetical though for you and all the other Trumpites here. If he doesn't do what he promised, i.e. building a wall etc, getting back all the manufacturing jobs, will you guys drop support?


And you can't answer well he will do that. I want to know what if he doesn't?


Last time I looked this is still Australia, & we need to be concerned with Turnbull, not Trump, breaking promises.....let America sort out their own servants.......as I'm sure they will.   




SO no answer, cheers. Anyone else?

Title: Re: Donald Trump won the Presidency!
Post by Panther on Nov 10th, 2016 at 9:11am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 8:57am:

Panther wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 8:53am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 8:49am:

Panther wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 8:43am:
IMHO there were just too many variables, but one stands out above the rest, the American People's strong desire to not be told what they can't do, in the face of what they can & will do!
[/i][/font][/size]




Hypothetical though for you and all the other Trumpites here. If he doesn't do what he promised, i.e. building a wall etc, getting back all the manufacturing jobs, will you guys drop support?


And you can't answer well he will do that. I want to know what if he doesn't?


Last time I looked this is still Australia, & we need to be concerned with Turnbull, not Trump, breaking promises.....let America sort out their own servants.......as I'm sure they will.   




SO no answer, cheers. Anyone else?


Pardon, but supporting a notion of who should or should not be chosen to serve the American People over another is one thing, when at the end of the day I'm more concerned about what's going on in my own back yard, rather than America's back yard.......you?

So an answer to you would be simply....my support would be immaterial, you should be asking that of the people living in America.....they are the ones that have a vested interest in Donald Trump's activity or inactivity.....it's up to them to hold his feet to the fire, not me.  ;)


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 10th, 2016 at 9:12am
It was a hypothetical.

Title: Re: Donald Trump won the Presidency!
Post by Panther on Nov 10th, 2016 at 9:15am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 9:12am:
It was a hypothetical.


Good......asked & answered then....  ;)

Title: Re: Donald Trump won the Presidency!
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 10th, 2016 at 9:15am

Panther wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 9:15am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 9:12am:
It was a hypothetical.


Good......asked & answered then....  ;)



Extremely smacking poorly, but theres a shock.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 10th, 2016 at 9:48am

Just 1453 more sleeps.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Emma Peel on Nov 10th, 2016 at 11:47pm
It was rigged.!! :-?

So....
it is what it is   ;D :(


Once again I'll say..  I am glad I am not American.

Hope it works out alright ... current unrest is likely to die down between now and the swearing in.

Good luck you all.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Rhino on Nov 12th, 2016 at 11:12pm

rhino wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 10:06pm:
If we treat these candidates popularity like a stock market chart then the trend is your friend. I would be buying shares in trump


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by AiA on Nov 13th, 2016 at 12:30am

rhino wrote on Nov 12th, 2016 at 11:12pm:

rhino wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 10:06pm:
If we treat these candidates popularity like a stock market chart then the trend is your friend. I would be buying shares in trump


If you are looking for credit for correctly "predicting" the election, you are a bigger idiot than I thought you were ...

Now on the forecasters: Does any pollster who got the election result right, deserve any credit? No.
Suppose you want to be a pollster. Next election mail out 100 forecasts split 50/50 between candidates. After the election, mail the next forecast only to the 50 for whom your random draw was the right choice. Repeat, always mailing the winning side. After 6 or 7 mailings, the remaining to whom you mail your random result will think you are a genius because you predicted every result. 6 or 7 in a row is not a big deal in that setup, which is rather like the way market forecasters operate. If you choose a market advisor who can show you a dozen correct forecasts in a row, run away quickly.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Frank on Nov 13th, 2016 at 12:50pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 9:48am:
Just 1453 more sleeps.

... until Trump is re-elected.


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Fireball on Nov 13th, 2016 at 1:15pm

Frank wrote on Nov 13th, 2016 at 12:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 9:48am:
Just 1453 more sleeps.

... until Trump is re-elected.


Exactly!.........👍👌

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Emma Peel on Nov 14th, 2016 at 2:10am
Yes we will see. Sooner or later.

Coming up..? Trump has to put on the best act of his life. Oscar winning material.

Pence is doing all the legwork, 'cos Trump doesn't know what he is doing. I think he is as shocked as most people that he actually WON.

Now he has to walk the talk. :D


Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bias_2012 on Nov 14th, 2016 at 10:25pm
Frank, technically Trump must be approved by the Electoral College. It gives it's final stamp of approval on the 19th Dec. After that date, you can hold peccary to his pledge.




Frank
Gold Member

Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Reply #458 - Oct 30th, 2016 at 10:03pm
 
Trump will be president.



greggerypeccary
Gold Member

Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Reply #459 - Oct 30th, 2016 at 10:05pm
 
Wanna make a bet?


Frank
Gold Member

Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Reply #460 - Oct 30th, 2016 at 10:06pm
 
Yeah, I bet he will win.



greggerypeccary
Gold Member

Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Reply #461 - Oct 30th, 2016 at 10:08pm
 


Let's make it interesting.

If he does, I leave this forum forever.

If he doesn't, you leave this forum forever.

Deal?

Or are you a coward?



Frank
Gold Member

Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Reply #462 - Oct 30th, 2016 at 10:18pm


yeah, deal - you farkk off.

But you never do.



greggerypeccary
Gold Member

Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Reply #463 - Oct 30th, 2016 at 10:20pm


Excellent.

Trump wins, I go.

Hillary wins, you go.

No socks.

No reneging.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Nov 14th, 2016 at 10:28pm

Fuzzball wrote on Nov 13th, 2016 at 1:15pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 13th, 2016 at 12:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 9:48am:
Just 1453 more sleeps.

... until Trump is re-elected.


Exactly!.........👍👌


You have a lot of sleep to catch up on, Matty.

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Gordon on Nov 14th, 2016 at 10:29pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 14th, 2016 at 10:25pm:
Frank, technically Trump must be approved by the Electoral College. It gives it's final stamp of approval on the 19th Dec. Hold peccary to his pledge til that date.




Frank
Gold Member

Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Reply #458 - Oct 30th, 2016 at 10:03pm
 
Trump will be president.



greggerypeccary
Gold Member

Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Reply #459 - Oct 30th, 2016 at 10:05pm
 
Wanna make a bet?


Frank
Gold Member

Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Reply #460 - Oct 30th, 2016 at 10:06pm
 
Yeah, I bet he will win.



greggerypeccary
Gold Member

Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Reply #461 - Oct 30th, 2016 at 10:08pm
 


Let's make it interesting.

If he does, I leave this forum forever.

If he doesn't, you leave this forum forever.

Deal?

Or are you a coward?



Frank
Gold Member

Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Reply #462 - Oct 30th, 2016 at 10:18pm


yeah, deal - you farkk off.

But you never do.



greggerypeccary
Gold Member

Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Reply #463 - Oct 30th, 2016 at 10:20pm


Excellent.

Trump wins, I go.

Hillary wins, you go.

No socks.

No reneging.


Not much wiggle room there

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Bias_2012 on Nov 14th, 2016 at 10:38pm

Gordon wrote on Nov 14th, 2016 at 10:29pm:
Not much wiggle room there



None at all

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Karnal on Nov 14th, 2016 at 10:49pm
I might go too. If Trump won, I promised to leave this thread.

What should I do, leftards?

Title: Re: Who Will Win the Presidency?
Post by Emma Peel on Nov 15th, 2016 at 2:08am
Seeing as the Election has been decided, this is a redundant thread.

So you might as well do as you said. Doesn't mean you leave the Forum. THAT is up to you. As for GP?
He said  the 'Forum', which means the whole shebang.

Was that your meaning?
If so, say no more on any thread.

If not, plenty of other topics...   :)

Must say tho,  it's all becoming much of a muchness. I am feeling less and less engaged with the Forum.

Seems trolls reign. I put up a topic about a month ago, and it had a very straightforward title.  Seems there were some who checked it out, but when it wasn't what intrigued them , given their interpretation of the title, no-one responded.
Looking for something salacious no doubt, only to find it was about ancient oral health practices.  ::) :-?





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