Reasonably new sideline interest, selling Digital Currency on eBay, following eBay's rules on digital currency to the letter. Transactions going well.

Then Paypal freezes my cash. They say that the other party on a few transactions hadn't given permission for the payments. Not to worry, just supply evidence that the digital currency had been sent to the buyer's physical papal listed street address. Digital currency is transferred via the computer network, and not via services like Australian Post.

Supplied evidence of the message the buyer sent me with their wallet address for the delivery, the blockchain evidence of the transactions, and positive feedback from the transactions from the buyer. Paypal hasn't decided, yet it's obvious it's only procedure before siding with the scammer ~ since they stipulated ~ prove physical address delivery.
In my reply I added I enjoyed Paypal's joke, even though it's at my financial cost.

I have found out since that this scam has been operating for years on ebay and through paypal, and both companies have been ignoring it, and this scam will continue.

What surprised me the most about this occurrence was not the scam, it was my reaction. Have tossed and turned the last few nights. Been hitting myself over the head for being so stupid to be scammed. Yet have gone over and over the transactions and can not find my mistake. Because I didn't make one.

Yet I still feel embarrassed. It has taken me four days to open up to my close friends that I'd been scammed. That was this morning. Now I'm opening up to everyone.

Yes, you can now use this information against me in other debates, yet know this, water off a ducks back.

Soon I will be closing my ebay account and never using papal again. My financial loss, bad, yet not drastic in the bigger scheme of things.
In a way, putting a line under a hobby and moving on from it is kind of cathartic.


Long winded to the reason for this thread. Your experiences.

Yeah the guy on the street that you give cash to, knowing full well where it will end up, yet you're have a great day and why not share it.. Or the duopoly dumping giving receipts so to hide their constant overcharging us mugs.

Come on people, don't leave me hanging. Surely I'm not the only person on the planet that has been scammed.

Never used Pay Pal.  Many years ago, I did buy DVDs through Ebay.  Every transaction meant I went to a Bank and put a few dollars into an account nominated by the Seller.

I'm unsure how you got scammed, and that will be because I have no idea how it all works, now.

"Digital currency?"

____ wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 10:35pm:

Come on people, don't leave me hanging. Surely I'm not the only person on the planet that has been scammed.

I've not been scammed yet in real life or on the net, sorry Greens.

You sent it registered mail ?

Setanta wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 10:51pm:

____ wrote on Oct 6th, 2016 at 10:35pm: Come on people, don't leave me hanging. Surely I'm not the only person on the planet that has been scammed. I've not been scammed yet in real life or on the net, sorry Greens.

You get scammed every time you fill up at bowser  :D

Its time wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 10:53pm:

Setanta wrote on Oct 6th, 2016 at 10:51pm: ____ wrote on Oct 6th, 2016 at 10:35pm: Come on people, don't leave me hanging. Surely I'm not the only person on the planet that has been scammed. I've not been scammed yet in real life or on the net, sorry Greens. You get scammed every time you fill up at bowser  :D

Fill up at a bowser? I've driven 19,000Km(rounded up) in 7 almost 8 years. I walk. Some of those Kms were not done by me but my kids driving my car.

Edit: I don't go to a gym but I pass one that people drive to, get out , walk inside and walk on treadmills and lift weights. I walk and carry my groceries home.

Ebay forces sellers, including sellers of digital currency, to offer paypal as a payment option.
Meanwhile paypal requires proof of physical delivery on digital items (non physical)

Catch 22 ... and this is why I was scammed.

Digital currency, in this case it was Bitcoin.
It's a potential safe haven when things go to shite since it's democratic, all transactions are transparent, and outside government intervention.
Where as the dollar's value is manipulated and usually for political reasons.

Live Bitcoin transactions : https://blockchain.info/

Its time wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 10:52pm:

You sent it registered mail ?

Digital currency is created via computer mining and so don't hold physical properties.

____ wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 10:58pm:

Ebay forces sellers, including sellers of digital currency, to offer paypal as a payment option. Meanwhile paypal requires proof of physical delivery on digital items (non physical) Catch 22 ... and this is why I was scammed. Digital currency, in this case it was Bitcoin. It's a potential safe haven when things go to shite since it's democratic, all transactions are transparent, and outside government intervention. Where as the dollar's value is manipulated and usually for political reasons. Live Bitcoin transactions : https://blockchain.info/

No idea.  Given I have to stay up for a while, I'll ask.

How do you 'buy' a bitcoin?

____ wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 10:58pm:

Ebay forces sellers, including sellers of digital currency, to offer paypal as a payment option. Meanwhile paypal requires proof of physical delivery on digital items (non physical) Catch 22 ... and this is why I was scammed. Digital currency, in this case it was Bitcoin. It's a potential safe haven when things go to shite since it's democratic, all transactions are transparent, and outside government intervention. Where as the dollar's value is manipulated and usually for political reasons. Live Bitcoin transactions : https://blockchain.info/

Buy physical silver and gold then. If things go to shite, you might theoretically own bitcoins but you won't be able to access them.

Aussie wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:02pm:

____ wrote on Oct 6th, 2016 at 10:58pm: Ebay forces sellers, including sellers of digital currency, to offer paypal as a payment option. Meanwhile paypal requires proof of physical delivery on digital items (non physical) Catch 22 ... and this is why I was scammed. Digital currency, in this case it was Bitcoin. It's a potential safe haven when things go to shite since it's democratic, all transactions are transparent, and outside government intervention. Where as the dollar's value is manipulated and usually for political reasons. Live Bitcoin transactions : https://blockchain.info/ No idea.  Given I have to stay up for a while, I'll ask. How do you 'buy' a bitcoin?

There are sites online that are market places, for sellers and buyers to trade
Also apps on mobiles, and so by scanning another's phone app wallet address, currency can be traded for goods and services.

Bitcoin is also a common currency for the darknet. Illicit drugs etc. Some people think bitcoin is non trackable. Default position, it is.

I was someone rang pretending to be from Microsoft..claimed computers were crashing in Melb and Canberra was next unless I paid .. I have forgotten how much think around the $400...for a security system that would be the only thing to save  us and yeah we fell for it.. my daughter went home and rang Microsoft and they told her we never ring our clients...blah blah.. you have been had...the Bank did refund my money about 6 weeks later..but it was not funny at the time.. ....I am sorry to hear you did your dough greenie...

I think scams are  pretty common today...I have since bought myself a Post Office Load and Go card which I can fill from here and if I dont like what I have just done I can whip the money off it.. I dont have to wait for the Bank to stop it. .. and I am not giving away my real bank card details...

Setanta wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:02pm:

____ wrote on Oct 6th, 2016 at 10:58pm: Ebay forces sellers, including sellers of digital currency, to offer paypal as a payment option. Meanwhile paypal requires proof of physical delivery on digital items (non physical) Catch 22 ... and this is why I was scammed. Digital currency, in this case it was Bitcoin. It's a potential safe haven when things go to shite since it's democratic, all transactions are transparent, and outside government intervention. Where as the dollar's value is manipulated and usually for political reasons. Live Bitcoin transactions : https://blockchain.info/ Buy physical silver and gold then. If things go to shite, you might theoretically own bitcoins but you won't be able to access them.

Bitcoin's liquidity is one of it's benefits. It can be loaded onto a hard wallet that plugs into a computer's usb. Cross national borders and turned into a another currency fast.

Sure gold will remain a safe haven out of habit for the time being. I suspect bitcoin will be a more preferable in the longer term.
Theoretically millions of dollars worth of bitcoin could be carried in a wallet the size of a USB, Try carrying millions in gold in you pocket.

____ wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:18pm:

Setanta wrote on Oct 6th, 2016 at 11:02pm: ____ wrote on Oct 6th, 2016 at 10:58pm: Ebay forces sellers, including sellers of digital currency, to offer paypal as a payment option. Meanwhile paypal requires proof of physical delivery on digital items (non physical) Catch 22 ... and this is why I was scammed. Digital currency, in this case it was Bitcoin. It's a potential safe haven when things go to shite since it's democratic, all transactions are transparent, and outside government intervention. Where as the dollar's value is manipulated and usually for political reasons. Live Bitcoin transactions : https://blockchain.info/ Buy physical silver and gold then. If things go to shite, you might theoretically own bitcoins but you won't be able to access them. Bitcoin's liquidity is one of it's benefits. It can be loaded onto a hard wallet that plugs into a computer's usb. Cross national borders and turned into a another currency fast. Sure gold will remain save haven out of habit for the time being. I suspect bitcoin will be a more preferable in the longer term. Theoretically millions of dollars worth of bitcoin could be carried in a wallet the size of a USB, Try carrying millions in gold in you pocket.

You still have not told me how I even enter the market, let alone trade in it.  Where/how do I buy a bitcoin?

____ wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 10:35pm:

Reasonably new sideline interest, selling Digital Currency on eBay, following eBay's rules on digital currency to the letter. Transactions going well. Then Paypal freezes my cash. They say that the other party on a few transactions hadn't given permission for the payments. Not to worry, just supply evidence that the digital currency had been sent to the buyer's physical papal listed street address. Digital currency is transferred via the computer network, and not via services like Australian Post. Supplied evidence of the message the buyer sent me with their wallet address for the delivery, the blockchain evidence of the transactions, and positive feedback from the transactions from the buyer. Paypal hasn't decided, yet it's obvious it's only procedure before siding with the scammer ~ since they stipulated ~ prove physical address delivery. In my reply I added I enjoyed Paypal's joke, even though it's at my financial cost. I have found out since that this scam has been operating for years on ebay and through paypal, and both companies have been ignoring it, and this scam will continue. What surprised me the most about this occurrence was not the scam, it was my reaction. Have tossed and turned the last few nights. Been hitting myself over the head for being so stupid to be scammed. Yet have gone over and over the transactions and can not find my mistake. Because I didn't make one. Yet I still feel embarrassed. It has taken me four days to open up to my close friends that I'd been scammed. That was this morning. Now I'm opening up to everyone. Yes, you can now use this information against me in other debates, yet know this, water off a ducks back. Soon I will be closing my ebay account and never using papal again. My financial loss, bad, yet not drastic in the bigger scheme of things. In a way, putting a line under a hobby and moving on from it is kind of cathartic. Long winded to the reason for this thread. Your experiences. Yeah the guy on the street that you give cash to, knowing full well where it will end up, yet you're have a great day and why not share it.. Or the duopoly dumping giving receipts so to hide their constant overcharging us mugs. Come on people, don't leave me hanging. Surely I'm not the only person on the planet that has been scammed.

It's takes guts to come out like you have, so I salute you, sir. There's nothing to be ashamed of, it's happens to a lot of people. At least you have learned from the experience.

Just as a point of curiosity, don't Paypal have contingencies in place for people who have be the victim of scams? For e.g. most banks will reimburse the customer if it's proven fraud.

____ wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:18pm:

Bitcoin's liquidity is one of it's benefits. It can be loaded onto a hard wallet that plugs into a computer's usb. Cross national borders and turned into a another currency fast. Sure gold will remain a safe haven out of habit for the time being. I suspect bitcoin will be a more preferable in the longer term. Theoretically millions of dollars worth of bitcoin could be carried in a wallet the size of a USB, Try carrying millions in gold in you pocket.

It is digital money based on prime numbers. If things go to shite, where are the power, network and computers to allow it to continue for you coming from. Bitcoin is as weak as the internet.

Aussie wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:21pm:

____ wrote on Oct 6th, 2016 at 11:18pm: Setanta wrote on Oct 6th, 2016 at 11:02pm: ____ wrote on Oct 6th, 2016 at 10:58pm: Ebay forces sellers, including sellers of digital currency, to offer paypal as a payment option. Meanwhile paypal requires proof of physical delivery on digital items (non physical) Catch 22 ... and this is why I was scammed. Digital currency, in this case it was Bitcoin. It's a potential safe haven when things go to shite since it's democratic, all transactions are transparent, and outside government intervention. Where as the dollar's value is manipulated and usually for political reasons. Live Bitcoin transactions : https://blockchain.info/ Buy physical silver and gold then. If things go to shite, you might theoretically own bitcoins but you won't be able to access them. Bitcoin's liquidity is one of it's benefits. It can be loaded onto a hard wallet that plugs into a computer's usb. Cross national borders and turned into a another currency fast. Sure gold will remain save haven out of habit for the time being. I suspect bitcoin will be a more preferable in the longer term. Theoretically millions of dollars worth of bitcoin could be carried in a wallet the size of a USB, Try carrying millions in gold in you pocket. You still have not told me how I even enter the market, let alone trade in it.  Where/how do I buy a bitcoin?

First stage is a wallet. They can be attained via phone app stores and downloaded.
If you use iphones, be careful there are wallet apps that rip your bitcoin off.
Will find the link and add here later :

Also wallet apps can be downloaded to your computer.

I use a hard wallet for most of my bitcoin and carry a smaller amount on my phone wallet.
Because it's safer. When I transfer bitcoin from it online, It requires me to press a button on it physically. So it can be used on any computer, even corrupted ones.
I use a mid rage one : ledger nano s.
https://www.ledgerwallet.com/products/12-ledger-nano-s

Then for buying bitcoin, I use sites like this one.
https://localbitcoins.com/instant-bitcoins/?action=buy&country_code=AU&amount=&currency=AUD&online_provider=CASH_DEPOSIT&find-offers=Search

Bitcoin current market price :
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=XBT&to=AUD

Bottom line, buyer beware. Do your homework before jumping in.

____ wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:36pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 6th, 2016 at 11:21pm: ____ wrote on Oct 6th, 2016 at 11:18pm: Setanta wrote on Oct 6th, 2016 at 11:02pm: ____ wrote on Oct 6th, 2016 at 10:58pm: Ebay forces sellers, including sellers of digital currency, to offer paypal as a payment option. Meanwhile paypal requires proof of physical delivery on digital items (non physical) Catch 22 ... and this is why I was scammed. Digital currency, in this case it was Bitcoin. It's a potential safe haven when things go to shite since it's democratic, all transactions are transparent, and outside government intervention. Where as the dollar's value is manipulated and usually for political reasons. Live Bitcoin transactions : https://blockchain.info/ Buy physical silver and gold then. If things go to shite, you might theoretically own bitcoins but you won't be able to access them. Bitcoin's liquidity is one of it's benefits. It can be loaded onto a hard wallet that plugs into a computer's usb. Cross national borders and turned into a another currency fast. Sure gold will remain save haven out of habit for the time being. I suspect bitcoin will be a more preferable in the longer term. Theoretically millions of dollars worth of bitcoin could be carried in a wallet the size of a USB, Try carrying millions in gold in you pocket. You still have not told me how I even enter the market, let alone trade in it.  Where/how do I buy a bitcoin? First stage is a wallet. They can be attained via phone app stores and downloaded. If you use iphones, be careful there are wallet apps that rip your bitcoin off. Will find the link and add here later : Also wallet apps can be downloaded to your computer. I use a hard wallet for most of my bitcoin and carry a smaller amount on my phone wallet. Because it's safer. When I transfer bitcoin from it online, It requires me to press a button on it physically. So it can be used on any computer, even corrupted ones. I use a mid rage one : ledger nano s. https://www.ledgerwallet.com/products/12-ledger-nano-s Then for buying bitcoin, I use sites like this one. https://localbitcoins.com/instant-bitcoins/?action=buy&country_code=AU&amount=&currency=AUD&online_provider=CASH_DEPOSIT&find-offers=Search Bitcoin current market price : http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=XBT&to=AUD Bottom line, buyer beware. Do your homework before jumping in.

Considering bitcoin is only useful in a tech society it's usefulness for when thing go to shite is next to nil.

Auggie wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:28pm:

____ wrote on Oct 6th, 2016 at 10:35pm: Reasonably new sideline interest, selling Digital Currency on eBay, following eBay's rules on digital currency to the letter. Transactions going well. Then Paypal freezes my cash. They say that the other party on a few transactions hadn't given permission for the payments. Not to worry, just supply evidence that the digital currency had been sent to the buyer's physical papal listed street address. Digital currency is transferred via the computer network, and not via services like Australian Post. Supplied evidence of the message the buyer sent me with their wallet address for the delivery, the blockchain evidence of the transactions, and positive feedback from the transactions from the buyer. Paypal hasn't decided, yet it's obvious it's only procedure before siding with the scammer ~ since they stipulated ~ prove physical address delivery. In my reply I added I enjoyed Paypal's joke, even though it's at my financial cost. I have found out since that this scam has been operating for years on ebay and through paypal, and both companies have been ignoring it, and this scam will continue. What surprised me the most about this occurrence was not the scam, it was my reaction. Have tossed and turned the last few nights. Been hitting myself over the head for being so stupid to be scammed. Yet have gone over and over the transactions and can not find my mistake. Because I didn't make one. Yet I still feel embarrassed. It has taken me four days to open up to my close friends that I'd been scammed. That was this morning. Now I'm opening up to everyone. Yes, you can now use this information against me in other debates, yet know this, water off a ducks back. Soon I will be closing my ebay account and never using papal again. My financial loss, bad, yet not drastic in the bigger scheme of things. In a way, putting a line under a hobby and moving on from it is kind of cathartic. Long winded to the reason for this thread. Your experiences. Yeah the guy on the street that you give cash to, knowing full well where it will end up, yet you're have a great day and why not share it.. Or the duopoly dumping giving receipts so to hide their constant overcharging us mugs. Come on people, don't leave me hanging. Surely I'm not the only person on the planet that has been scammed. It's takes guts to come out like you have, so I salute you, sir. There's nothing to be ashamed of, it's happens to a lot of people. At least you have learned from the experience. Just as a point of curiosity, don't Paypal have contingencies in place for people who have be the victim of scams? For e.g. most banks will reimburse the customer if it's proven fraud.

Yes they do and I am covered if I can prove physical delivery to the Paypal listed address of the buyer. They also know this is impossible for digital items to be sent to a physical address and that's why Paypal set the condition.

I emailed Paypal a couple of weeks ago and asked if I was covered on digital currency. The reply was a link to totally unconnected information and didn't answer the question. Now I know the diversion was on purpose.

Quote:

First stage is a wallet.

And there you go, failing to explain.  What is a 'wallet' and how do you get it without paying someone real coin?

Setanta wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:46pm:

____ wrote on Oct 6th, 2016 at 11:36pm: Aussie wrote on Oct 6th, 2016 at 11:21pm: ____ wrote on Oct 6th, 2016 at 11:18pm: Setanta wrote on Oct 6th, 2016 at 11:02pm: ____ wrote on Oct 6th, 2016 at 10:58pm: Ebay forces sellers, including sellers of digital currency, to offer paypal as a payment option. Meanwhile paypal requires proof of physical delivery on digital items (non physical) Catch 22 ... and this is why I was scammed. Digital currency, in this case it was Bitcoin. It's a potential safe haven when things go to shite since it's democratic, all transactions are transparent, and outside government intervention. Where as the dollar's value is manipulated and usually for political reasons. Live Bitcoin transactions : https://blockchain.info/ Buy physical silver and gold then. If things go to shite, you might theoretically own bitcoins but you won't be able to access them. Bitcoin's liquidity is one of it's benefits. It can be loaded onto a hard wallet that plugs into a computer's usb. Cross national borders and turned into a another currency fast. Sure gold will remain save haven out of habit for the time being. I suspect bitcoin will be a more preferable in the longer term. Theoretically millions of dollars worth of bitcoin could be carried in a wallet the size of a USB, Try carrying millions in gold in you pocket. You still have not told me how I even enter the market, let alone trade in it.  Where/how do I buy a bitcoin? First stage is a wallet. They can be attained via phone app stores and downloaded. If you use iphones, be careful there are wallet apps that rip your bitcoin off. Will find the link and add here later : Also wallet apps can be downloaded to your computer. I use a hard wallet for most of my bitcoin and carry a smaller amount on my phone wallet. Because it's safer. When I transfer bitcoin from it online, It requires me to press a button on it physically. So it can be used on any computer, even corrupted ones. I use a mid rage one : ledger nano s. https://www.ledgerwallet.com/products/12-ledger-nano-s Then for buying bitcoin, I use sites like this one. https://localbitcoins.com/instant-bitcoins/?action=buy&country_code=AU&amount=&currency=AUD&online_provider=CASH_DEPOSIT&find-offers=Search Bitcoin current market price : http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=XBT&to=AUD Bottom line, buyer beware. Do your homework before jumping in. Considering bitcoin is only useful in a tech society it's usefulness for when thing go to shite is next to nil.

Current prediction is that Chinese land is being sold more expensive that the units built selling price. A Chinese property bubble burst is likely to occur in one or two years. The Australian dollar as a sort of representation of the Chinese market.
Our dollar will crash when this Chinese correction occurs.

Meanwhile the only risk to the computer network in the near term that I can see is cyber warfare. And during my bitcoin are safe.The network will be return, no matter the winner



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmOzih6I1zs

Aussie wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:55pm:

Quote: First stage is a wallet. And there you go, failing to explain.  What is a 'wallet' and how do you get it without paying someone real coin?

Your phone and computer app stores.
Google search bitcoin wallet and the type of computer you use.
or
A possible starting point :
https://www.coinjar.com.au/

I know what bitcoin is I used to mine back on my 486dx.

Also if you use an apple device, read this first.


New Potentially Malicious Bitcoin Wallet App Appears In iOS Store

http://themerkle.com/new-potentially-malicious-bitcoin-wallet-app-appears-in-ios-store/

____ wrote on Oct 7^th, 2016 at 12:02am:

Aussie wrote on Oct 6th, 2016 at 11:55pm: Quote: First stage is a wallet. And there you go, failing to explain.  What is a 'wallet' and how do you get it without paying someone real coin? Your phone and computer app stores. Google search bitcoin wallet and the type of computer you use. or A possible starting point : https://www.coinjar.com.au/

Nah, I'm not going to any link.  If real money is not part of threshold entry, and ongoing, into that, I'll be staggered.  If it's not real money, what have you lost, Monopoly notes?

Setanta wrote on Oct 7^th, 2016 at 12:04am:

I know what bitcoin is I used to mine back on my 486dx.

You prefer gold over bitcoin as a safe haven.
Interested in understanding your reasoning sometime then.

Auggie wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:28pm:

____ wrote on Oct 6th, 2016 at 10:35pm: Reasonably new sideline interest, selling Digital Currency on eBay, following eBay's rules on digital currency to the letter. Transactions going well. Then Paypal freezes my cash. They say that the other party on a few transactions hadn't given permission for the payments. Not to worry, just supply evidence that the digital currency had been sent to the buyer's physical papal listed street address. Digital currency is transferred via the computer network, and not via services like Australian Post. Supplied evidence of the message the buyer sent me with their wallet address for the delivery, the blockchain evidence of the transactions, and positive feedback from the transactions from the buyer. Paypal hasn't decided, yet it's obvious it's only procedure before siding with the scammer ~ since they stipulated ~ prove physical address delivery. In my reply I added I enjoyed Paypal's joke, even though it's at my financial cost. I have found out since that this scam has been operating for years on ebay and through paypal, and both companies have been ignoring it, and this scam will continue. What surprised me the most about this occurrence was not the scam, it was my reaction. Have tossed and turned the last few nights. Been hitting myself over the head for being so stupid to be scammed. Yet have gone over and over the transactions and can not find my mistake. Because I didn't make one. Yet I still feel embarrassed. It has taken me four days to open up to my close friends that I'd been scammed. That was this morning. Now I'm opening up to everyone. Yes, you can now use this information against me in other debates, yet know this, water off a ducks back. Soon I will be closing my ebay account and never using papal again. My financial loss, bad, yet not drastic in the bigger scheme of things. In a way, putting a line under a hobby and moving on from it is kind of cathartic. Long winded to the reason for this thread. Your experiences. Yeah the guy on the street that you give cash to, knowing full well where it will end up, yet you're have a great day and why not share it.. Or the duopoly dumping giving receipts so to hide their constant overcharging us mugs. Come on people, don't leave me hanging. Surely I'm not the only person on the planet that has been scammed. It's takes guts to come out like you have, so I salute you, sir. There's nothing to be ashamed of, it's happens to a lot of people. At least you have learned from the experience. Just as a point of curiosity, don't Paypal have contingencies in place for people who have be the victim of scams? For e.g. most banks will reimburse the customer if it's proven fraud.

yes, good on you greens.
I can't really follow the technicalities on how you were scammed.
But I have been dudded in the past.

sorry to hear it.

Aussie wrote on Oct 7^th, 2016 at 12:09am:

____ wrote on Oct 7th, 2016 at 12:02am: Aussie wrote on Oct 6th, 2016 at 11:55pm: Quote: First stage is a wallet. And there you go, failing to explain.  What is a 'wallet' and how do you get it without paying someone real coin? Your phone and computer app stores. Google search bitcoin wallet and the type of computer you use. or A possible starting point : https://www.coinjar.com.au/ Nah, I'm not going to any link.  If real money is not part of threshold entry, and ongoing, into that, I'll be staggered.  If it's not real money, what have you lost, Monopoly notes?

Currency is relative to what people decide.
Would you place value on something that is built on a pyramid debt scheme
Would you spend week in, week out earning it?

p.s.
The link is to a wallet to hold the currency, not the currency itself.

____ wrote on Oct 7^th, 2016 at 12:13am:

Aussie wrote on Oct 7th, 2016 at 12:09am: ____ wrote on Oct 7th, 2016 at 12:02am: Aussie wrote on Oct 6th, 2016 at 11:55pm: Quote: First stage is a wallet. And there you go, failing to explain.  What is a 'wallet' and how do you get it without paying someone real coin? Your phone and computer app stores. Google search bitcoin wallet and the type of computer you use. or A possible starting point : https://www.coinjar.com.au/ Nah, I'm not going to any link.  If real money is not part of threshold entry, and ongoing, into that, I'll be staggered.  If it's not real money, what have you lost, Monopoly notes? Currency is relative to what people decide. Would you place value on something that is built on a pyramid debt scheme Would you spend week in, week out earning it? p.s. The link is to a wallet to hold the currency, not the currency itself.

So, not ever, never ever, did you put real money into that system?

Aussie wrote on Oct 7^th, 2016 at 12:18am:

So, not ever, never ever, did you put real money into that system?

Those who originally generated bitcoins did. Time, power, computers. It was based on finding prime numbers.

Real money is relative.
That aside.
I invest Australian dollars into buying bitcoin.
Same way as I would buy any other currency 


_/_/_/

And maybe I didn't explain the opening post scam properly.

The scammer has my bitcoin. And now they are using paypal to take back the money they used to buy my bitcoin.
So I end up without bitcoin and without the cash.
Apologies for not stating this more clearly.

____ wrote on Oct 7^th, 2016 at 12:40am:

Real money is relative. That aside. I invest Australian dollars into buying bitcoin. Same way as I would buy any other currency _/_/_/ And maybe I didn't explain the opening post scam properly. The scammer has my bitcoin. And now they are using paypal to take back the money they used to buy my bitcoin. So I end up without bitcoin and without the cash. Apologies for not stating this more clearly.

Why would you sell bitcoins on ebay? A normal person would not buy gold or silver on Ebay but people do at inflated prices, why? It's the gateway to crims laundering money and you are helping them.

Setanta wrote on Oct 7^th, 2016 at 12:44am:

____ wrote on Oct 7th, 2016 at 12:40am: Real money is relative. That aside. I invest Australian dollars into buying bitcoin. Same way as I would buy any other currency _/_/_/ And maybe I didn't explain the opening post scam properly. The scammer has my bitcoin. And now they are using paypal to take back the money they used to buy my bitcoin. So I end up without bitcoin and without the cash. Apologies for not stating this more clearly. Why would you sell bitcoins on ebay? A normal person would not buy gold or silver on Ebay but people do at inflated prices, why? It's the gateway to crims laundering money and you are helping them.

I have brought gold off eBay, and without issue
I use to buy it from overseas, Turkey, as well as locally, picked up in person, and then sold it later when gold rose higher in value. Sold on eBay.

I sold BTC on eBay because of the selling protection I believed I had.
I still do have that protection, it's just Paypal has set a new condition that is impossible to meet. Proof of physical delivery of a non physical item.

____ wrote on Oct 7^th, 2016 at 12:53am:

Setanta wrote on Oct 7th, 2016 at 12:44am: ____ wrote on Oct 7th, 2016 at 12:40am: Real money is relative. That aside. I invest Australian dollars into buying bitcoin. Same way as I would buy any other currency _/_/_/ And maybe I didn't explain the opening post scam properly. The scammer has my bitcoin. And now they are using paypal to take back the money they used to buy my bitcoin. So I end up without bitcoin and without the cash. Apologies for not stating this more clearly. Why would you sell bitcoins on ebay? A normal person would not buy gold or silver on Ebay but people do at inflated prices, why? It's the gateway to crims laundering money and you are helping them. I have brought gold off eBay, and without issue I use to buy it from overseas, Turkey, as well as locally, picked up in person, and then sold it later when gold rose higher in value. Sold on eBay. I sold BTC on eBay because of the selling protection I believed I had. I still do have that protection, it's just Paypal has set a new condition that is impossible to meet. Proof of physical delivery of a non physical item.

Then perhaps the thread should not be about someone being gyped(can I say that) but about something entirely different. One that would have made an interesting discussion if not tainted with the topic.

Scammed 3 months ago and I should know better.

Had to go to Canada.

Looked for the rules and found the legit government site and it said I need an electronic visa.

Looked for electronic visa site and found one. Look very similar to the US one. Thought it was the gov site.

Put my and family's details in, paid about $80 each. Which felt expensive by really busy, needed it done.

Woke up and thought.... I better check again. Found proper Canadian Gov site. $5 for electronic visa lodgment. Crap.... just gave all my info for identity thief and credit card details. Rang bank, got card stopped. No fraud transactions. Did more research and found they are legit business preying on the ignorant like me.

They did send me through legitimate Visa lodged with the government. They made $75x3  profit for reentering my details on the proper system. All legal. I looked at this and thought, I have no-where to go on this. They provided the service... unnecessary but a service. Had many sleepless nights on this ones.

Great legit business model.... clever.

To make matters worse, I drove across the boarder from the US and they advised, if you drive over, you don't need a visa, it is only for flying in.

I was lucky....

A guy I know got his ebay account blocked for buying and selling bitcoin. They took all the money.

My eBay or my Paypal have not been blocked and I could continue to sell. I have chosen not to anymore.
Paypal have frozen some of my money, not my account.

cods wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:11pm:

I was someone rang pretending to be from Microsoft..claimed computers were crashing in Melb and Canberra was next unless I paid .. I have forgotten how much think around the $400...for a security system that would be the only thing to save  us and yeah we fell for it.. my daughter went home and rang Microsoft and they told her we never ring our clients...blah blah.. you have been had...the Bank did refund my money about 6 weeks later..but it was not funny at the time.. ....I am sorry to hear you did your dough greenie... I think scams are  pretty common today...I have since bought myself a Post Office Load and Go card which I can fill from here and if I dont like what I have just done I can whip the money off it.. I dont have to wait for the Bank to stop it. .. and I am not giving away my real bank card details...

We have had the Microsoft call a few times , my son and I have a running competition to see who can keep them on the line the longest as we deliberately stuff them around dragging the conversation out before they click an start swearing at us , the last thing they hear before slamming the phone down is our hysterical laughter .

My wife runs a little online business and has received the same scam by 'paypal' ....

she's not into hugging trees so she didn't fall for it.

I can usually spot the scammers and the 'salesmen' as soon as I pick up the phone, especially those claiming to be from the tax office or microsoft. Instead of asking for me by my name, they ask for me by a business name that's not even registered to me.  :D :D :D....

John Smith wrote on Oct 7^th, 2016 at 8:26am:

My wife runs a little online business and has received the same scam by 'paypal' .... she's not into hugging trees so she didn't fall for it.

Which scam was that?

____ wrote on Oct 7^th, 2016 at 8:50am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 7th, 2016 at 8:26am: My wife runs a little online business and has received the same scam by 'paypal' .... she's not into hugging trees so she didn't fall for it. Which scam was that?

your OP

John Smith wrote on Oct 7^th, 2016 at 8:52am:

____ wrote on Oct 7th, 2016 at 8:50am: John Smith wrote on Oct 7th, 2016 at 8:26am: My wife runs a little online business and has received the same scam by 'paypal' .... she's not into hugging trees so she didn't fall for it. Which scam was that? your OP

You said she spotted the scam.
Where?