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Title: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Yadda on Oct 16^th, 2016 at 1:17pm

There is a Terror Network operating [apparently] freely in Australia.

"ISLAM" in Australia.

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And for decades the gradual 'establishment' of a Terror Network in Australia, has been facilitated and assisted by successive Australian governments, because of our governments' quiet acquiesce and uncritical acceptance of the presence of, a growing moslem community in Australia.

Over several decades successive Australian governments have steadfastly refused to acknowledge the truth, about the intent and the true nature, of the philosophy that we all know as, mainstream ISLAM.

The disturbing truth is, that the presence of ISLAM in Australia, does pose a very serious and dangerous threat to every Australian.

Why so ?

Because, ISLAM at its very heart, is a combative and hostile philosophy, which promotes, deception, blatant lying, threats, intimidation, political violence [i.e. terrorism] and murder, ....as all being the 'legitimate' means, by which to further the aims of ISLAM, and the interests of those who follow its teachings.

PROOF OF THAT CHARGE ?

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THIS, IS THE IDEOLOGY WHICH MAINSTREAM MOSLEMS WHO ARE RESIDENT IN Australia, ACCEPT....

THIS, IS THE IDEOLOGY WHICH MAINSTREAM MOSLEMS WHO ARE RESIDENT IN Australia, PROMOTE AS ACCEPTABLE....

THIS, IS THE IDEOLOGY WHICH MAINSTREAM MOSLEMS WHO ARE RESIDENT IN Australia, FOLLOW....

THIS IS A FAIR EXAMPLE, OF THE 'RELIGIOUS PRECEPTS' WHICH MAINSTREAM ISLAM TEACHES....

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"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

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ARGUMENT;
For those who would argue that those Koran verses are an anachronism, ....and that those Koran verses do not reflect or guide, the intent of the moslem community, here in Australia, today, .....I would offer, that the Koran is, and always has been, ~the~ most important source of religious authority for ISLAMIC religious leaders, and ~the~ most important source of religious instruction, for every moslem.

Any person who would suggest other than that, is either ignorant, OR, he is being deliberately deceitful.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Yadda on Oct 16^th, 2016 at 1:18pm

There is a Terror Network operating [apparently] freely in Australia.

"ISLAM" in Australia.

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These persons who wish us harm [it is enslavement or death!] [because we do not believe as they believe], are 1/ essentially free to reveal their intent on our streets, and 2/ in our Western societies, AND, 3/ they are allowed to live among us, ....without hindrance, .....so long as they refrain from actually acting upon their pronouncements and threats !!

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#1,

THESE ARE THE WORDS OF A MOSLEM, WHO IS CURRENTLY RESIDENT IN AUSTRALIA!!.....

Quote:

"This nation [i.e. the moslem nation/community, the ummah] has been and will continue to be a nation of Jihad until Judgement day.

MAKE NO MISTAKE: THE NATION HAS NOT CHANGED ITS THINKING, ITS RELIGION, OR ITS FAITH. [i.e. a moslem, IS, a moslem!!!]

IT HAS BEEN AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE A NATION OF JIHAD UNTIL JUDGEMENT DAY."

Australian Islamist Leaders Incite to Jihad to Expel Jews from Palestine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5Bfj8T0O2E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5Bfj8T0O2E

old link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN6B8WBzbpw

#2,

IMAGE...

"BEHEAD ALL THOSE WHO INSULT THE PROPHET"

Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.

Moslems, religious bigots, 'demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' and tolerant ISLAM and moslems really are - towards those who don't hold with the views of ISLAM and moslems.

Moslems on a Sydney street, openly demanding their right to exercise their 'freedom of religion'.

Demanding the 'religious' right, to kill people who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.

This UK 'crew', is the same 'crew' as exist, and are allowed to live among us in Australia, ....without hindrance.

Practicing moslems.

#3,

IMAGE...

London

Moslems on London streets, openly demanding their right to exercise their 'freedom of religion',
.....the 'religious' right of the moslem, ...to kill people who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.

n.b.
Mainstream ISLAM teaches 'the moslem' that to reject ISLAM, is an insult to Allah's perfect religion [and a capital crime].

THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST IN LONDON READ.....

"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Massacre those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who mock Islam"
"Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way"
"Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way"
"Exterminate those who slander Islam"
"Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer"
"Islam will dominate the world"
"Freedom go to hell"
"Europe take some lessons from 9/11"
"Be prepared for the real Holocaust"
"BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders"

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QUESTION;
If this [above] is correct, then surely many more moslems, who are resident in the West, would be participating in this religious bigotry, and religious violence, wouldn't they ?

ANSWER;
Many moslems [in the West] do not 'participate' in religious violence, because they [the moslem community in the West] know that they are not, and do not feel themselves politically or numerically strong enough to participate in this violence.

as per.....

IMAGE...

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami

Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-islamic-behavior/

But as the political influence and the numeric strength of moslems in Western nations increase, so it will be that increasing numbers of moslems will choose to 'express' moslem religious violence [i.e. 'righteous' religious indignation, against those who 'offend' the moslem] !

AS PROOF, OF THIS INTENT;

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Please examine these polls;

You will be shocked ....at just how many moslems resident in the West are willing to admit that they support 'ISLAMIC values' [i.e. ISLAMIC law, and its punishments!] being imposed upon everyone in Western societies, and ISLAMIC law being applied against NON-moslems in the West ! e.g. that would mean absolutely no criticism of ISLAM [aka blasphemy, which ISLAM declares, is a capital crime].

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https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/opinion-polls.aspx

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Yadda on Oct 16^th, 2016 at 1:19pm

There is a Terror Network operating [apparently] freely in Australia.

"ISLAM" in Australia.

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Since shortly after the events of September 11, 2001, deep down, growing numbers of people here in Australia have come to believe that there is something essentially 'wrong' with the moslem. .....[the follower of ISLAM]

And after the Sydney, moslem street protests from Hyde Park to George Streets, September 15, 2012, that feeling was only reinforced!

It is as if the moslem community in Australia were enveloped by a impenetrable mist.

Occasionally, from time to time, after some 'incident', a spokesman for moslem community in Australia, will make a public statement intended to portray the moslem community in Australia, as a benign entity or group, .....in an attempt, to hide what is there, EXISTING, with in the centre of the moslem community in Australia.

Moslems in Australia, are community harbouring a festering dangerous malice, towards other Australians.

And that is the truth.

A Hizb ut-Tahrir spokesman in Australia, speaking to 'Jihad', and to the ambition of moslem rule here in Australia - Dec 24, 2012.

This person - this Australian moslem - is talking about the implementation of the law of Mainstream ISLAM !

Quote:

"...that is the obligation [upon the pure moslem]....[to] carry the light of ISLAM to the rest of the world."

"...How? Not with flowers....It was the - ARMY - of moslems which started [the worldwide spread of ISLAM's influence]....That is Jihad."

"...That is Jihad....It is not defensive Jihad. [Jihad, is not staying where you live, 'practising' Allah's religion.]"

"...[speaking of those places where Sharia is not the law....] You [should] be in the heart of somewhere else to carry your religion [there]....Is that extremist? I don't care."

Australian Islamist: We Will Establish a Caliphate, Instate Shari'a, Make Arabic Official Language
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svjNphIHtis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svjNphIHtis

old link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAFbH5Zkrxo

AND AGAIN WE HAVE 'THE MOSLEM', IN AUSTRALIA, PROTESTING IN SUPPORT OF HIS 'FREEDOM' TO PRACTICE THE 'FREEDOM' OF RELIGION OF THE MOSLEM !!!

THE 'FREEDOM' OF THE MOSLEM, TO MURDER ALLAH'S ENEMIES !!!

IMAGE....

"Behead those who insult ISLAM"
Islamic Protest - IN AUSTRALIA - on the streets of Sydney from Hyde Park to George Streets, September 15, 2012.

QUESTION;
WHAT COULD POSSIBLY BE WRONG, WITH ALLOWING 'THE MOSLEM', IN AUSTRALIA, TO PROMOTE THE 'LAWFUL' PRACTICE OF THE 'FREEDOM' OF RELIGION OF THE MOSLEM !!!

IMAGE...

Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.

Moslems, religious bigots, 'demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' and tolerant ISLAM and moslems really are - towards those who don't hold with the views of ISLAM and moslems.

Moslems on a Sydney street, openly demanding their right to exercise their 'freedom of religion'.

Moslems living among us, here in Australia, demanding the 'religious' right, to practice of the 'freedom of religion' of the moslem, to kill people who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.

And that is all 'Kosher', ...ISLAMICALLY, doctrinally, to the mainstream moslem.

And that, is what every Australian needs to understand.

That it is completely 'lawful' ISLAMICALLY, for a moslem to decide kill you at any moment, and to then do it!

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From ISLAMIC LAW....

Quote:

"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

Google

And this....

From ISLAMIC LAW....

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Yadda on Oct 16^th, 2016 at 1:24pm

There is a Terror Network operating [apparently] freely in Australia.

"ISLAM" in Australia.

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IMAGE...

Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar murdered Australian Curtis Cheng outside Parramatta police headquarters....AS AN ACT OF RELIGIOUS VIRTUE

That description may sound abhorrent and absurd, but, that is exactly how devout moslems justify such an atrocity.

ISLAMIC culture ?

The 'ISLAMIC culture' which PM Malcom Turnbull insists that we [Australians] should respect [a culture which Malcom Turnbull, is happy to allow moslems to freely foster and promote in Australia], .....is the very same ISLAMIC culture which encouraged Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar, to murder Australian Curtis Cheng].

n.b. Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar committed this atrocity against an un-armed Australian because Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar was 'rightly offended' by an Australian culture, which rejected and clashed with the imperatives of ISLAMIC culture!

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"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

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ISLAM

ONCE AGAIN, ....FOR THE SLOW LEARNERS....

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This Terror Network, are a group of people who live among us, here, in Australia.

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Quote:

"You're never too young to be a soldier of Kalifah."

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by thehermit on Oct 16^th, 2016 at 2:16pm

Robert Spencers JihadWatch and Citizen Warrior
are two websites that all Australians should visit.
Any book written by Robert Spencer is worthwhile
buying also

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 16^th, 2016 at 5:22pm

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Yadda on Oct 16^th, 2016 at 5:40pm

thehermit wrote on Oct 16^th, 2016 at 2:16pm:

Robert Spencers JihadWatch and Citizen Warrior
are two websites that all Australians should visit.
Any book written by Robert Spencer is worthwhile
buying also

hermit,

Welcome.

I would add.....

If you want to be informed about what is happening around you, and if want to be informed about how THE PEACE of your society is being destroyed around you, ...then i would encourage you to subscribe to these 3 emailing lists;

http://www.jihadwatch.org/jihad-watch-daily-update

http://www.meforum.org/list_subscribe.php

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/list_subscribe.php

If you subscribe, these information services will send you a very short daily email summary of new important reports, ....with links to the main report(s).

such as this one....

Germany: Migrant Crime Wave, Police Capitulate
by Soeren Kern
October 11, 2015 at 5:00 am
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6668/germany-migrant-crime-wave

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by thehermit on Oct 16^th, 2016 at 6:03pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 16^th, 2016 at 5:40pm:

thehermit wrote on Oct 16^th, 2016 at 2:16pm:

Robert Spencers JihadWatch and Citizen Warrior
are two websites that all Australians should visit.
Any book written by Robert Spencer is worthwhile
buying also

OK thanx for that..

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by bogarde73 on Oct 17^th, 2016 at 10:25am

One of the worst terror networks in Australia is known as the CFMEU.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Marla on Oct 18^th, 2016 at 7:17am

Sweet! I wonder what the benefits are.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 18^th, 2016 at 11:51am

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 17^th, 2016 at 10:25am:

One of the worst terror networks in Australia is known as the CFMEU.

Wasn’t the CFMEU killed three innocent people. That was the Grocons.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by cods on Oct 18^th, 2016 at 4:47pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 18^th, 2016 at 11:51am:

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 17^th, 2016 at 10:25am:

One of the worst terror networks in Australia is known as the CFMEU.

Wasn’t the CFMEU killed three innocent people. That was the Grocons.

people are killed every day monk....3 men have died in another car crash...a 5 yr old boy has at least been saved......its a sad world we live in...a father sees the only way out was to gas his family..... :'( :'(..

we are seeing this more and more...stop pointing the fingers and lets stand together and try and find answers..

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 18^th, 2016 at 8:12pm

Three innocent people, chance pedestrians, killed by a wall that was known to be unsafe.

Why the hell not fix a situation like that?

Tobacco kills more people than wars and terrorism. Why is it not banned?

Children—children FGS—are imprisoned and driven mad BY US! Why?

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by John Smith on Oct 18^th, 2016 at 8:14pm

There is a Terror Network in Australia

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Frank on Oct 18^th, 2016 at 8:48pm

John Smith wrote on Oct 18^th, 2016 at 8:14pm:

There is a Terror Network in Australia

Don't be an idiot just because you can.

Who have they murdered?

Even you do not believe the shite you are saying yet you keep saying it.

Like gweggowy, karnal, gandalf, Brian, mothra etc - you say things you cannot possibly take seriously yourselves.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by John Smith on Oct 18^th, 2016 at 9:48pm

Frank wrote on Oct 18^th, 2016 at 8:48pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 18^th, 2016 at 8:14pm:

There is a Terror Network in Australia

you said something about being an idiot ... I see you're an expert at it. Did I say they murdered anyone?

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 18^th, 2016 at 10:01pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 16^th, 2016 at 1:17pm:

There is a Terror Network operating [apparently] freely in Australia.

"ISLAM" in Australia.

Boring - this is about the 200th time Yadda has made a thread on this same topic.

He knows that only 0.1 % of Muslims are terrorists &
that they are being watched by our heroic security services.

Reading his garbage you could be forgiven for thinking that 100% of them are terrorists.

Yadda is forgiven but should be banned unless
he apologises & stops spamming Ozpolitic with the same nonsense every day.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Yadda on Oct 18^th, 2016 at 10:15pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18^th, 2016 at 10:01pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 16^th, 2016 at 1:17pm:

There is a Terror Network operating [apparently] freely in Australia.

"ISLAM" in Australia.

Boring - this is about the 200th time Yadda has made a thread on this same topic.

He knows that only 0.1 % of Muslims are terrorists &
that they are being watched by our heroic security services.

Reading his garbage you could be forgiven for thinking that 100% of them are terrorists.

Yadda.......should be banned unless
he apologises & stops spamming Ozpolitic with the same nonsense every day.

Suits me bobby.

I have lots, and lots of things i can be doing, ....beside being here, and annoying you.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 19^th, 2016 at 5:17am

Yet here you are, spewing out miles of boring repetitive moronic posts. . .

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 19^th, 2016 at 6:01am

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 19^th, 2016 at 5:17am:

Yet here you are, spewing out miles of boring repetitive moronic posts. . .

Looks like he's taken his bat & ball & gone home.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by it_is_the_light on Oct 19^th, 2016 at 7:36am

Yadda wrote on Oct 16^th, 2016 at 1:17pm:

Quote:

There is a Terror Network in Australia

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Yadda on Oct 19^th, 2016 at 10:55am

Post #20

it_is_the_light,

You have posted some emotive images again.

Are you laying that burden upon my shoulders ?

Is that, your accusation, .....against me and against mine ? [......the 'white face']

it_is_the_light,

Rest easy, .....because i won't escape God's judgement.

Galatians 6:7
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Ezekiel 18:1
The word of the LORD came unto me again, saying,
2 What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge?
3 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel.
4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
5 But if a man be just, and do that which is lawful and right,
6 And hath not eaten upon the mountains, neither hath lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, neither hath defiled his neighbour's wife, neither hath come near to a menstruous woman,
7 And hath not oppressed any, but hath restored to the debtor his pledge, hath spoiled none by violence, hath given his bread to the hungry, and hath covered the naked with a garment;
8 He that hath not given forth upon usury, neither hath taken any increase, that hath withdrawn his hand from iniquity, hath executed true judgment between man and man,
9 Hath walked in my statutes, and hath kept my judgments, to deal truly; he is just, he shall surely live, saith the Lord GOD.

Ezekiel 18:29
Yet saith the house of Israel, The way of the Lord is not equal. O house of Israel, are not my ways equal? are not your ways unequal?
30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 19^th, 2016 at 5:40pm

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Frank on Oct 19^th, 2016 at 9:57pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19^th, 2016 at 5:40pm:

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 19^th, 2016 at 11:12pm

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Yadda on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 9:23am

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 16^th, 2016 at 5:22pm:

Quote:

"gweggowy, karnal, gandalf, Brian, mothra etc"

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http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1476883186/0#0

Quote:

.....“[they] think of themselves as sophisticated, cosmopolitan, and, culturally speaking, on the right side of history,”.......

“They don’t know what they don’t know and they don’t care to know it.”

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by John Smith on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 9:25am

yadda were you ever raped or beaten by a muselman? your obsession is a concern

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Mr Hammer on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 9:27am

John Smith wrote on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 9:25am:

yadda were you ever raped or beaten by a muselman? your obsession is a concern

Have you ever been raped or beaten by a neo nazi?

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by John Smith on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 9:28am

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 9:27am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 9:25am:

yadda were you ever raped or beaten by a muselman? your obsession is a concern

Have you ever been raped or beaten by a neo nazi?

nah ... one tried but I beat the sh1t out of him

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Mr Hammer on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 9:33am

John Smith wrote on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 9:27am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 9:25am:

yadda were you ever raped or beaten by a muselman? your obsession is a concern

Have you ever been raped or beaten by a neo nazi?

nah ... one tried but I beat the sh1t out of him

Well that's you point flying out the window.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by John Smith on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 9:37am

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 9:33am:

Well that's you point flying out the window.

why? You don't believe in self defense?

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Yadda on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 9:46am

John Smith wrote on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 9:25am:

yadda were you ever raped or beaten by a muselman?

John Smith,

No.

But every day for the last 1,300 years millions of human beings who have fallen under the influence and control of moslems, have experienced the 'tender mercies' of moslems.    -
AND ALL COMMITTED IN THE NAME OF ISLAM,
AND UNDER THE SANCTION AND THE AUTHORITY OF ISLAMIC DOCTRINE    -
oppression, torture, rape, murder, all sanctioned - TODAY, 2016 - by ISLAMIC doctrine, because these methods were the modus operandi of that greatest of all moslems, Mohammed.

John Smith,

And the oppression and rape and murder, by moslems, of those who don't believe as moslems believe,          .....is continuing today, in every corner of this planet, where the moslem is present/found.

[and even here, in Australia]

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THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/torture.aspx
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/quran-hate.aspx
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/opinion-polls.aspx

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1476497358

.

John Smith,

You too, are in this camp, imo......

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http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1476883186/0#0

Quote:

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by John Smith on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 12:47pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 9:46am:

You too, are in this camp, imo......

really? yet I've never thought of myself as sophisticated or cosmopolitan. Or for that matter on any side of history, right or wrong.

Just goes to show how your opinions on other forumers are just as deluded as your opinions on Muslims :D :D

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Rhino on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 1:44pm

John Smith wrote on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 9:27am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 9:25am:

yadda were you ever raped or beaten by a muselman? your obsession is a concern

Have you ever been raped or beaten by a neo nazi?

nah ... one tried but I beat the sh1t out of him

yeah, you won the fight by a 100 metres.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by John Smith on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 2:28pm

rhino wrote on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 1:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 9:27am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 9:25am:

yadda were you ever raped or beaten by a muselman? your obsession is a concern

Have you ever been raped or beaten by a neo nazi?

nah ... one tried but I beat the sh1t out of him

yeah, you won the fight by a 100 metres.

well I didn't win by using your tactic of trying to outstupid him

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Yadda on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 5:00pm

John Smith wrote on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 2:28pm:

rhino wrote on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 1:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 9:27am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 9:25am:

yadda were you ever raped or beaten by a muselman? your obsession is a concern

Have you ever been raped or beaten by a neo nazi?

nah ... one tried but I beat the sh1t out of him

yeah, you won the fight by a 100 metres.

well I didn't win by using your tactic of trying to outstupid him

Really ?

John Smith wrote on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 9:25am:

yadda were you ever raped or beaten by a muselman?

your obsession is a concern

John Smith,

I'm 'obsessive' [about moslems and ISLAM] ?

Shouldn't i be ?,    .....even if i have not been raped or beaten by a moslem ?

Whereas yourself,       ....you believe that Australians should be really 'relaxed' about moslems living among us.

/sarc off

.

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

.

ISLAM

ONCE AGAIN,    ....FOR THE SLOW LEARNERS....

----------- >

Quote:

"You're never too young to be a soldier of Kalifah."

Watch a group of moslem children, being coached by moslem adults, to hate Australia, and Australians,
......HERE, WITHIN AUSTRALIA. !!!!

------------- >

Muslims brainwash children in Australia -------- > goto 43 sec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E

.

EXAMINE THE PURPOSEFUL, CRUEL AND EVIL MOSLEM HATRED AND INTENT, TOWARDS ALL NON-MOSELMS.

EXAMPLE #1,

------------ >

Quote:

Cleric preaches that violence is part of Islam

01/05/2007

In documents seen by The Daily Telegraph, al-Muhajiroun claimed: "Terrorism is a part of Islam" and "Allah made it obligatory to prepare and to terrify the enemy of Allah".

The article advised: "The kuffar of USA and UK are without doubt our enemy.

There is no such thing as an innocent kafir, innocence is only applicable for the Muslims.

Not only is it obligatory to fight them, it is haram [forbidden] to feel sorry for them."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1550211/Cleric-preaches-that-violence-is-part-of-Islam.html

EXAMINE THE PURPOSEFUL, CRUEL AND EVIL MOSLEM HATRED AND INTENT, TOWARDS ALL NON-MOSELMS.

EXAMPLE #2,

------------ >

Quote:

Inside the sect that loves terror
August 07, 2005

......In public interviews Bakri condemned the killing of all innocent civilians.

Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent:

“Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any kuffar.”

these are old links, but the article is kosher.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1724541,00.html
another source, "Undercover in the academy of hatred"...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1458729/posts

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by John Smith on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 7:13pm

if you expect me to reply you might want to learn to write properly ... this rambling rubbish you put up is not worth the effort of trying to decipher

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Yadda on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 11:02pm

JS,

OK, don't respond.

ISLAM is bad, immoral, barbaric.

Yadda is truthful, ......provides evidence, validation of his opinion about ISLAM, and about followers of ISLAM.

~~Yadda is racist, bigot.~~

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 11:18pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 11:02pm:

Yadda is truthful,

Yadda is racist, bigot.

Yes, you are, Yadda...

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Yadda on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 11:40pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 11:18pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 11:02pm:

Yadda is truthful,

Yadda is racist, bigot.

Yes, you are, Yadda...

Brian_Ross,

On a public forum, people can choose to generally lie and to misrepresent and to be deceitful,
.....or they can try to be truthful and candid.

How they behave [towards others], is their own choice.

And how they choose, is a reflection upon their own character.

Me ?

I try to treat people, according to how i find them.

Once i get a sense of the character of a person, do i discriminate ?

Yes i do.

.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1402138274/18#18

Quote:

The two most important characteristics which define the personality of a person [imo];
1/ are we honest ?
2/ are we reliable ? ....[e.g. if we give someone an undertaking to do something, or to behave in a certain way, will we keep to the [verbal] agreement that we have made ?]

More than that, is superfluous, imo.

.

Galatians 6:7
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 11:57pm

Col 2:8
8 See to it, then, that no one enslaves you by means of the worthless deceit of human wisdom, which comes from the teachings handed down by human beings and from the ruling spirits of the universe, and not from Christ.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Yadda on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 9:41am

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 11:57pm:

2 Corinthians 8:21
Providing for honest things, not only in the sight of the Lord, but also in the sight of men.

EXAMPLES OF MOSLEM HONESTY

/sarc off

------------ >

EXAMPLE #1;

Quote:

"Peace summarises everything in Islam, because it means

submitting your will to God,

so you acquire peace through it," he said.

"When I'm following its [i.e. ISLAM's] teachings,

I know that my own actions are in line with what my creator wants,

and hence I am at peace with myself, [with] my community and the rest of the world."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-19/darwins-muslim-community-tackles-discrimination-at-meeting/6025586?section=nt

IMAGE....

Quote:

"Mr Yunus has been encouraging peaceful community bridging since starting his post as Darwin's Islamic leader in 2014."

- ABC news report - 2015-01-19

QUOTE;
"Peace summarises everything in Islam..."
- Mr Yunus

.

EXAMPLE #2;

This assuring and comforting argument made by moslems, was published on
The moslem council of Britain website,
.....after the slaughter of Drummer Lee Rigby in 2013, on an English street [by persons purporting to be moslems].

Quote:

Rejecting Terror
Thursday, 11 April 2013

Muslims everywhere consider all acts of terrorism that aims to murder and maim innocent human beings utterly reprehensible and abhorrent.

There is no theological basis whatsoever for such acts in our faith.

The very meaning of the word 'Islam' is peace.

It [ISLAM] rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony.

http://www.mcb.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2307:mcbnewstemplate&catid=82:mcb-news
http://www.mcb.org.uk/article_detail.php?article=announcement-656

dead links ?

those statements were posted on, The Muslim Council of Britain, website, in just 2013.

but unfortunately, those links are now dead.

but how could that be ???

.

CONTRAST THE 'PEACE LOVING' ISLAM PRESENTED ABOVE, WITH...

---------- >

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

.

WORDS NOT FROM THE KORAN....

John 8:45
And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

God's words = = THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 5:12pm

Matthew 5:44:
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Matthew 5:45:
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Mr Hammer on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 5:17pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 5:12pm:

That's sends a good message. Be an asshole and get rewarded for it??? ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 5:27pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 5:17pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 5:12pm:

That's sends a good message. Be an asshole and get rewarded for it??? ;D ;D ;D

Ask Yadda, he claims to be a Christian. I don't, I've just read The Bible... ::)

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Yadda on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 10:32pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 5:12pm:

Very good Brian.

Brian,

It is fine to love our enemies.

Q.
But do Jesus words compel us to love to excuse rampant criminals and to love to excuse rampant murderers ?

Romans 2:13
(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

James 1:22
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:

Q.
What 'word' ?

John 8:45
And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

God's words = = THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

.

Isaiah 1:16
Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;
17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.

Be separate....

2 Corinthians 6:14
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Yadda on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 10:32pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 5:12pm:

Brian,

Once more i ask, do Jesus words compel us to love and to excuse the actions of rampant criminals and to love and to excuse the actions of rampant murderers ?

Psalms 97:10
Ye that love the LORD, hate evil:...

Psalms 106:3
Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that doeth righteousness at all times.

Proverbs 8:13
The fear of the LORD is to hate evil:..

Proverbs 15:9
The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the LORD: but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness.

Proverbs 17:15
He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.

Proverbs 21:15
It is joy to the just to do judgment: but destruction shall be to the workers of iniquity.

Proverbs 28:4
They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them.
5 Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

Proverbs 29:27
An unjust man is an abomination to the just: and he that is upright in the way is abomination to the wicked.

Romans 12:9
Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

Proverbs 26:24
He that hateth dissembleth with his lips, and layeth up deceit within him;
25 When he speaketh fair, believe him not: for there are seven abominations in his heart.
26 Whose hatred is covered by deceit, his wickedness shall be shewed before the whole congregation.

.

Matthew 22:36
Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Q.
What was Jesus 'message' ?

A.
#1, Love God. Matthew 22:36-37
#2, Obey God's !!laws!!, study the scriptures. Matthew 19:16-19, John 14:15-21, Luke 24:45
#3, Love your fellow man. Matthew 22:39, Leviticus 19:18

Luke 8:19
Then came to him his mother and his brethren, and could not come at him for the press.
20 And it was told him by certain which said, Thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to see thee.
21 And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.

.

God's mercy was always extended to us, it was always offered to us, ....even in the 'Old Covenant'.

Isaiah 55:6
Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

As it is also, in the new covenant....

Luke 17:3
Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

But God's forgiveness and mercy, was never a 'blank cheque', as many Christians today seem to believe, and as many Christians today dearly 'wish' to believe.

Those who believe that God's forgiveness and mercy will fall upon all of mankind are sadly mistaken, imo.

The word of God is clear.....

God's forgiveness and mercy, is, and always was, joined with a requirement for ongoing repentance and remorse on our part, for our mistakes and bad behaviour.

That 'message' to men [which was also Jesus message] is there, throughout the Bible.

Jesus words......

Luke 3:8
Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
9 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Yadda on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 10:47pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 10:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 5:12pm:

Very good Brian.

Brian,

It is fine to love our enemies.

Q.
But do Jesus words compel us to love to excuse rampant criminals and to love to excuse rampant murderers ?

Brian,

I can see the cogs turning.

"But many moslems are peaceful."

Brian,

It is still a crime, to plan murder, ....if that intent can be proved.

CRIMINAL INTENT IN THE MOSLEM HEART

Dictionary,
malice aforethought = = Law the intention to kill or harm, held to distinguish unlawful killing from murder.

Q.
But where is the evidence, of such a murderous intent ?

------------ >

.

EXAMPLE.....

This assuring and comforting argument made by moslems, was published on
The moslem council of Britain website,
.....after the slaughter of Drummer Lee Rigby in 2013, on an English street [by persons purporting to be moslems].

Quote:

http://www.mcb.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2307:mcbnewstemplate&catid=82:mcb-news
http://www.mcb.org.uk/article_detail.php?article=announcement-656

dead links ?

those statements were posted on, The Muslim Council of Britain, website, in just 2013.

but unfortunately, those links are now dead.

but how could that be ???

.

CONTRAST THE 'PEACE LOVING' ISLAM PRESENTED ABOVE, WITH...

---------- >

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

.

Google;
stealth jihad, definition

IMAGE...

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami

Quote:

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-islamic-behavior/

and.....

Quote:

Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims
London, Sept.8 [2007]

A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.

Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.

A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....

He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 11:22pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 10:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 5:12pm:

Very good Brian.

Brian,

It is fine to love our enemies.

Q.
But do Jesus words compel us to love to excuse rampant criminals and to love to excuse rampant murderers ?

Interesting that you quote everybody other than the words of Christ himself whereas I have quoted Christ's words as recorded by Matthew... ::)

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Yadda on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 11:55pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 11:22pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 10:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 5:12pm:

Very good Brian.

Brian,

It is fine to love our enemies.

Q.
But do Jesus words compel us to love to excuse rampant criminals and to love to excuse rampant murderers ?

Interesting that you quote everybody other than the words of Christ himself whereas I have quoted Christ's words as recorded by Matthew... ::)

Q.
What was Jesus 'message' to mankind ?

A.
#1, Love God. Matthew 22:36-37
#2, Obey God's !!laws!!, study the scriptures. Matthew 19:16-19, John 14:15-21, Luke 24:45
#3, Love your fellow man. Matthew 22:39, Leviticus 19:18

Brian,

These were Jesus words, also.....

Matthew 22:36
Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

LOVE GOD = = DO HIS WILL

Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Luke 8:19
Then came to him his mother and his brethren, and could not come at him for the press.
20 And it was told him by certain which said, Thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to see thee.
21 And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.

John 8:47
He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Hear God's words ?

Where are God's words ?

God's words = = THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

.

Again, Jesus said these words.....

Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Love God....
Keep his commandments...

Brian,

These were NOT Jesus words.....

But they are still instructive [to the Christian].

Exodus 20:6
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Exodus 34:6
And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

Deuteronomy 5:10
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.

Deuteronomy 7:9
Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
10 And repayeth them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hateth him, he will repay him to his face.

Deuteronomy 7:12
Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fathers:

1 Kings 8:23
And he said, LORD God of Israel, there is no God like thee, in heaven above, or on earth beneath, who keepest covenant and mercy with thy servants that walk before thee with all their heart:

Nehemiah 1:5
And said, I beseech thee, O LORD God of heaven, the great and terrible God, that keepeth covenant and mercy for them that love him and observe his commandments:

Psalms 25:10
All the paths of the LORD are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies.

Daniel 9:4
And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;

Zephaniah 2:3
Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Yadda on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 12:07am

Brian,

These were Jesus words, also.....

Who's commandments ?

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

John 4:24
God is a Spirit:...

John 10:30
I and my Father are one.

John 14:8
Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 11:05am

Yadda spams Ozpolitic with the same pictures - the same text - day after day.
I'd ban him if I was the moderator.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Unforgiven on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 11:17am

Yadda would be a good study case for a team of psychiatrists.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 1:53pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 11:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 11:22pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 10:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 5:12pm:

Very good Brian.

Brian,

It is fine to love our enemies.

Q.
But do Jesus words compel us to love to excuse rampant criminals and to love to excuse rampant murderers ?

Interesting that you quote everybody other than the words of Christ himself whereas I have quoted Christ's words as recorded by Matthew... ::)

Where does Jesus say, "hate thy enemies"? Where does Jesus say, "kill thy enemies" or "rape thy enemies"? He doesn't say those words and nor does he repeat The Old Testament's admonishments to take slaves, subjugate women, rape virgins, kill children, etc. now does he, Yadda?

No matter how much you attempt obscure the core of JC's message it still remains, "love thy enemies", "turn the other cheek", etc. now doesn't it?

You can keep quoting all The Old Testament commandments or Paul's admonishments, they do not overturn Christ's message. "Love thy enemy". Something you steadfastedly refuse to do. How does that make you a "good" Christian? Mmmm? ::)

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by BigOl64 on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:01pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 1:53pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 11:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 11:22pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 10:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 5:12pm:

Very good Brian.

Brian,

It is fine to love our enemies.

Q.
But do Jesus words compel us to love to excuse rampant criminals and to love to excuse rampant murderers ?

Interesting that you quote everybody other than the words of Christ himself whereas I have quoted Christ's words as recorded by Matthew... ::)

I just can't embrace weakness; there is only one valid action for your enemy. And it isn't allowing them to kill you.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:15pm

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:01pm:

I just can't embrace weakness; there is only one valid action for your enemy. And it isn't allowing them to kill you.

So, do you call yourself a Christian? ::)

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by BigOl64 on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:24pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:15pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:01pm:

I just can't embrace weakness; there is only one valid action for your enemy. And it isn't allowing them to kill you.

So, do you call yourself a Christian? ::)

Abso-fukken-lutely not

I don't trust anyone who believes in sh1t that is not real, unless they are under the age of 8

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:41pm

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:15pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:01pm:

I just can't embrace weakness; there is only one valid action for your enemy. And it isn't allowing them to kill you.

So, do you call yourself a Christian? ::)

Abso-fukken-lutely not

I don't trust anyone who believes in sh1t that is not real, unless they are under the age of 8

Tsk, tsk, so disrespectful towards Yadda, Moses, etc... ::)

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:45pm

Unforgiven wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 11:17am:

Yadda would be a good study case for a team of psychiatrists.

An army of psychiatrists.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by BigOl64 on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 3:20pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:41pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:15pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:01pm:

I just can't embrace weakness; there is only one valid action for your enemy. And it isn't allowing them to kill you.

So, do you call yourself a Christian? ::)

Abso-fukken-lutely not

I don't trust anyone who believes in sh1t that is not real, unless they are under the age of 8

Tsk, tsk, so disrespectful towards Yadda, Moses, etc... ::)

They will survive; at least the jeezus freaks don't go around cutting heads off when they have been offended.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 4:33pm

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 3:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:41pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:15pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:01pm:

I just can't embrace weakness; there is only one valid action for your enemy. And it isn't allowing them to kill you.

So, do you call yourself a Christian? ::)

Abso-fukken-lutely not

I don't trust anyone who believes in sh1t that is not real, unless they are under the age of 8

Tsk, tsk, so disrespectful towards Yadda, Moses, etc... ::)

They will survive; at least the jeezus freaks don't go around cutting heads off when they have been offended.

Nor do 99.9% of ordinary, everyday, moderate Muslims... ::)

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Frank on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 6:01pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 4:33pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 3:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:41pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:15pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:01pm:

I just can't embrace weakness; there is only one valid action for your enemy. And it isn't allowing them to kill you.

So, do you call yourself a Christian? ::)

Abso-fukken-lutely not

I don't trust anyone who believes in sh1t that is not real, unless they are under the age of 8

Tsk, tsk, so disrespectful towards Yadda, Moses, etc... ::)

They will survive; at least the jeezus freaks don't go around cutting heads off when they have been offended.

Nor do 99.9% of ordinary, everyday, moderate Muslims... ::)

What are the beliefs of that mythical '99.9% of ordinary, everyday, moderate Muslims' on freedom of speech, religion, association, women's rights, non-Muslims' rights, etd.

You would like us believe that Muslims are just like the hippies of Woodstock, the punks of 1976 London, open minded, progressive, anti-superstition, individual rights champions.

But of course they are not.

The vast majority of Muslims who do practice Islam are adherents of Mohammed's teachings which are as backward and unpalatable today as it is possible to be. If you sign up to Mohammed today, you are signing up to repressive domination, intolerance and jihad until the final solution = global caliphate.

Aiming for the global caliphate is Islam's way to the 'final solution'.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 6:15pm

Frank wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 6:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 4:33pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 3:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:41pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:15pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:01pm:

I just can't embrace weakness; there is only one valid action for your enemy. And it isn't allowing them to kill you.

So, do you call yourself a Christian? ::)

Abso-fukken-lutely not

I don't trust anyone who believes in sh1t that is not real, unless they are under the age of 8

Tsk, tsk, so disrespectful towards Yadda, Moses, etc... ::)

They will survive; at least the jeezus freaks don't go around cutting heads off when they have been offended.

Nor do 99.9% of ordinary, everyday, moderate Muslims... ::)

You have no idea what the 99.9% of ordinary, everyday, moderate Australian Muslims believe, Frank. No idea. You just love to paint with a broadbrush and stereotypes. Tsk, tsk. ::) ::)

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Mr Hammer on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 6:22pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 6:15pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 6:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 4:33pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 3:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:41pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:15pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:01pm:

I just can't embrace weakness; there is only one valid action for your enemy. And it isn't allowing them to kill you.

So, do you call yourself a Christian? ::)

Abso-fukken-lutely not

I don't trust anyone who believes in sh1t that is not real, unless they are under the age of 8

Tsk, tsk, so disrespectful towards Yadda, Moses, etc... ::)

They will survive; at least the jeezus freaks don't go around cutting heads off when they have been offended.

Nor do 99.9% of ordinary, everyday, moderate Muslims... ::)

You have no idea what the 99.9% of ordinary, everyday, moderate Australian Muslims believe, Frank. No idea. You just love to paint with a broadbrush and stereotypes. Tsk, tsk. ::) ::)

Try marrying one of their daughters if you aren't a Muslim.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 6:39pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 6:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 6:15pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 6:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 4:33pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 3:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:41pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:15pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:01pm:

I just can't embrace weakness; there is only one valid action for your enemy. And it isn't allowing them to kill you.

So, do you call yourself a Christian? ::)

Abso-fukken-lutely not

I don't trust anyone who believes in sh1t that is not real, unless they are under the age of 8

Tsk, tsk, so disrespectful towards Yadda, Moses, etc... ::)

They will survive; at least the jeezus freaks don't go around cutting heads off when they have been offended.

Nor do 99.9% of ordinary, everyday, moderate Muslims... ::)

You have no idea what the 99.9% of ordinary, everyday, moderate Australian Muslims believe, Frank. No idea. You just love to paint with a broadbrush and stereotypes. Tsk, tsk. ::) ::)

Try marrying one of their daughters if you aren't a Muslim.

For most, not a problem, Mr. Hammer. You're shopping here aren't you?

::)

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Mr Hammer on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 6:44pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 6:39pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 6:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 6:15pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 6:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 4:33pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 3:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:41pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:15pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:01pm:

I just can't embrace weakness; there is only one valid action for your enemy. And it isn't allowing them to kill you.

So, do you call yourself a Christian? ::)

Abso-fukken-lutely not

I don't trust anyone who believes in sh1t that is not real, unless they are under the age of 8

Tsk, tsk, so disrespectful towards Yadda, Moses, etc... ::)

They will survive; at least the jeezus freaks don't go around cutting heads off when they have been offended.

Nor do 99.9% of ordinary, everyday, moderate Muslims... ::)

You have no idea what the 99.9% of ordinary, everyday, moderate Australian Muslims believe, Frank. No idea. You just love to paint with a broadbrush and stereotypes. Tsk, tsk. ::) ::)

Try marrying one of their daughters if you aren't a Muslim.

For most, not a problem, Mr. Hammer. You're shopping here aren't you?

::)

For most not a problem!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D It's a sin. It's in the Koran. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Yadda on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 6:45pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 6:15pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 6:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 4:33pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 3:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:41pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:15pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:01pm:

I just can't embrace weakness; there is only one valid action for your enemy. And it isn't allowing them to kill you.

So, do you call yourself a Christian? ::)

Abso-fukken-lutely not

I don't trust anyone who believes in sh1t that is not real, unless they are under the age of 8

Tsk, tsk, so disrespectful towards Yadda, Moses, etc... ::)

They will survive; at least the jeezus freaks don't go around cutting heads off when they have been offended.

Nor do 99.9% of ordinary, everyday, moderate Muslims... ::)

You have no idea what the 99.9% of ordinary, everyday, moderate Australian Muslims believe, Frank.

No idea. You just love to paint with a broadbrush and stereotypes. Tsk, tsk. ::) ::)

Examine these polls;

They give us a fair idea!

You will be shocked ....at just how many moslems resident in the West are willing to admit that they support 'ISLAMIC values' [i.e. ISLAMIC law, and its punishments!] being imposed upon everyone in Western societies, and ISLAMIC law being applied against NON-moslems in the West !

--------- >

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/opinion-polls.aspx

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 6:59pm

Opinion Polls only provide a snapshot, Yadda of public opinion at the time the questions are asked. That is why they change markedly over time. The overwhelming majority of Australian Muslims do not support Terrorism. They do not support regressive Islamic beliefs or practices. Time you actually met some. You'll find they are just as human as you are... ::)

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Yadda on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 6:59pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 4:33pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 3:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:41pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:15pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:01pm:

I just can't embrace weakness; there is only one valid action for your enemy. And it isn't allowing them to kill you.

So, do you call yourself a Christian? ::)

Abso-fukken-lutely not

I don't trust anyone who believes in sh1t that is not real, unless they are under the age of 8

Tsk, tsk, so disrespectful towards Yadda, Moses, etc... ::)

They will survive; at least the jeezus freaks don't go around cutting heads off when they have been offended.

Nor do 99.9% of ordinary, everyday, moderate Muslims... ::)

Brian,

You are just spreading an unsubstantiated and unprovable opinion.

A 'moderate' moslem?

There ain't no such creature.

A 'moderate' moslem is a completely mythical creature.

EVERY, moslem is a follower of ISLAM. < -------- dictionary definition.

And there ain't no 'moderate' ISLAM. !!!

No 'moderate' ISLAM. !!!

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/torture.aspx
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/quran-hate.aspx
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/opinion-polls.aspx

.

A moslem is a follower of ISLAM. < -------- dictionary definition.

----------- >

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1469402078

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 11:33pm

It is increasingly obvious, Yadda that you had never met a Muslim, moderate or extremist. Your opinion is based upon ignorance and prejudice. You spread lies based on stereotypes and hatred. I am increasingly suspicious that you aren't even a real Christian. Tsk, tsk. ::)

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Frank on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 3:06pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 6:59pm:

How do you know that the Muslims you know and have met represent the overwhelming majority on Australian Muslims??

You don't.

In any case, Islamic orthodoxy isn't shaped and maintained by people you com across Brian. The Muslims you meet are not representative of the Muslims in Muslim countries, or anywhere else.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 3:10pm

Yadda spams Ozpolitic with the same pictures -

the same text - day after day.

I'd ban him if I was the moderator.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 5:05pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 6:44pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 6:39pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 6:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 6:15pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 6:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 4:33pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 3:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:41pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:15pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 2:01pm:

I just can't embrace weakness; there is only one valid action for your enemy. And it isn't allowing them to kill you.

So, do you call yourself a Christian? ::)

Abso-fukken-lutely not

I don't trust anyone who believes in sh1t that is not real, unless they are under the age of 8

Tsk, tsk, so disrespectful towards Yadda, Moses, etc... ::)

They will survive; at least the jeezus freaks don't go around cutting heads off when they have been offended.

Nor do 99.9% of ordinary, everyday, moderate Muslims... ::)

You have no idea what the 99.9% of ordinary, everyday, moderate Australian Muslims believe, Frank. No idea. You just love to paint with a broadbrush and stereotypes. Tsk, tsk. ::) ::)

Try marrying one of their daughters if you aren't a Muslim.

For most, not a problem, Mr. Hammer. You're shopping here aren't you?

::)

For most not a problem!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D It's a sin. It's in the Koran. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Wrong again, Hammer, wrong again:

Quote:

In practice, many Arab countries allowed interfaith marriage to Christian or Jewish women but not to non-Muslim men.[5] In Lebanon for example there is no civil personal status law and marriages are performed according to the religion of the spouses. There, Muslim women cannot marry non-Muslim men, whereas this is possible vice versa,[6] at least if the spouse is a Christian or Jewish woman. Turkey allows marriages to non-Muslim men through secular laws.[7] In Malaysia a non-Muslim must convert to Islam in order to marry a Muslim. The offspring of such unions are automatically Muslims and all Malaysian Muslims are legally prohibited from leaving Islam (Riddah).[8]

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interfaith_marriage_in_Islam#Modern_practice]Source[/url]

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 5:07pm

Frank wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 3:06pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 6:59pm:

How do you know that the Muslims you know and have met represent the overwhelming majority on Australian Muslims??

Because I have never met an Islamic extremist in Australia. I have met dozens if not hundreds of Australian Muslims and none of them would fit your stereotype as an extremist. QED. ::)

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Frank on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 7:18pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 5:07pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 3:06pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 6:59pm:

How do you know that the Muslims you know and have met represent the overwhelming majority on Australian Muslims??

Because I have never met an Islamic extremist in Australia.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

It's NOT, NOT about YOU Brian, you vain, self absorbed fool.

It's not about YOU!!!! It really is not. Islam is not about you and your experiences.

You are shocked, we all know.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Secret Wars on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 7:45pm

Frank wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 7:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 5:07pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 3:06pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 6:59pm:

How do you know that the Muslims you know and have met represent the overwhelming majority on Australian Muslims??

Because I have never met an Islamic extremist in Australia.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

It's NOT, NOT about YOU Brian, you vain, self absorbed fool.

It's not about YOU!!!! It really is not. Islam is not about you and your experiences.

You are shocked, we all know.

An argument based on anecdote is an argument not worth making.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Yadda on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 8:02pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 3:10pm:

Yadda spams Ozpolitic with the same pictures -

the same text - day after day.

I'd ban him if I was the moderator.

I'm just 'beating my drum' bobby.

Again, and again, and again.

Sorry bobby.

Deuteronomy 29:4

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 11:54pm

Frank wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 7:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 5:07pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 3:06pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 6:59pm:

How do you know that the Muslims you know and have met represent the overwhelming majority on Australian Muslims??

Because I have never met an Islamic extremist in Australia.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

It's NOT, NOT about YOU Brian, you vain, self absorbed fool.

It's not about YOU!!!! It really is not. Islam is not about you and your experiences.

You are shocked, we all know.

Au contraire', Frank. It is about me and you and every other Australian, Muslim or not. If, as you claim your stereotype represents what the majority Australian Muslims believe, then I and other Australians would have met such extremists. That we have not, makes it obviously that the extremists are very much in the minority amongst Australian Muslims. Perhaps instead of painting a broadbrush stereotype, you should instead actually get out there and meet some real life Muslims? ::)

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Mr Hammer on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 11:57pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 11:54pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 7:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 5:07pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 3:06pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 6:59pm:

How do you know that the Muslims you know and have met represent the overwhelming majority on Australian Muslims??

Because I have never met an Islamic extremist in Australia.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

It's NOT, NOT about YOU Brian, you vain, self absorbed fool.

It's not about YOU!!!! It really is not. Islam is not about you and your experiences.

You are shocked, we all know.

Try marrying one of their daughters. The kuffar are not allowed.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 12:04am

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 11:57pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 11:54pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 7:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 5:07pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 3:06pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 6:59pm:

How do you know that the Muslims you know and have met represent the overwhelming majority on Australian Muslims??

Because I have never met an Islamic extremist in Australia.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

It's NOT, NOT about YOU Brian, you vain, self absorbed fool.

It's not about YOU!!!! It really is not. Islam is not about you and your experiences.

You are shocked, we all know.

Try marrying one of their daughters. The kuffar are not allowed.

I think your record needle is stuck... ::)

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Mr Hammer on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 12:10am

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 12:04am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 11:57pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 11:54pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 7:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 5:07pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 3:06pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 6:59pm:

How do you know that the Muslims you know and have met represent the overwhelming majority on Australian Muslims??

Because I have never met an Islamic extremist in Australia.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

It's NOT, NOT about YOU Brian, you vain, self absorbed fool.

It's not about YOU!!!! It really is not. Islam is not about you and your experiences.

You are shocked, we all know.

Try marrying one of their daughters. The kuffar are not allowed.

I think your record needle is stuck... ::)

I can't help it if your beloved islam has a scratch.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Frank on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 7:51am

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 11:54pm:

the extremists are very much in the minority amongst Australian Muslims.

But their actions are rooted in the ideology of Islam.

And so examining, criticising and rejecting Islam is an entirely legitimate and sane and honest path. Your stupidity is deeply rooted in your deliberately dishonest and stupid insistence that criticism and rejection of Islam is exactly the same as the criticism and rejection of every single person who was born into Islam, regardless of their level of acceptance or rejection of Islam.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Frank on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 10:19am

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 11:33pm:

As Homer Simpson once asked: "Who made you Judge Judy and executioner?"

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by gandalf on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 12:04pm

Frank wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 7:51am:

But their actions are rooted in my understanding of the ideology of Islam.

fixed for you Frank.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by BigOl64 on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 12:17pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 5:07pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 3:06pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 6:59pm:

How do you know that the Muslims you know and have met represent the overwhelming majority on Australian Muslims??

Because I have never met an Islamic extremist in Australia. I have met dozens if not hundreds of Australian Muslims and none of them would fit your stereotype as an extremist. QED. ::)

You are now an expert on muslim extremists because the few you met did not kill you or tell you they were muslim extremists.

Fkk it, Im sold.

We should find some sort of excuse for those that don't meet your view of muslims, when they go out and 'kill whitey' or plan terrorist attacks on Australian soil.

As this will not do.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Frank on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 12:27pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 12:04pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 7:51am:

But their actions are rooted in my understanding of the ideology of Islam.

fixed for you Frank.

No, you didn't. It is very, very easy to interpret Islam as a solid basis for violent jihad.

Try interpreting Gandhi or Tolstoy or Mormonism or humanism as solid grounds for violent warfare against their opponents and disbelievers.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Karnal on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 3:27pm

Frank wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 12:27pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 12:04pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 7:51am:

But their actions are rooted in my understanding of the ideology of Islam.

fixed for you Frank.

No, you didn't. It is very, very easy to interpret Islam as a solid basis for violent jihad.

Try interpreting Gandhi...

Gandhi's notion of satyagraha, or "truth force", was influenced by Islam. The modern practice of civil disobedience and passive resistance, which Gandhi invented, is heavily inspired by spiritual struggle, or jihad.

When Muhammed Ali refused to be drafted to fight in Vietnam ("no Vietnamese ever called me n----r"), he didn't reference Gandhi, but Muhammed.

You may cite Gandhi, old boy, but your regularly incite violent warfare against your perceived opponents. If all you did here was express your disagreement with your opponents, you might have some integrity. But your calls cover a broad spectrum of violence, from burqa-snatching to carpet-bombing. You target a range of opponents, from those you accuse of "not fitting in" (the bearded) to people with a certain shade of skin pigmentation (the tinted).

All this would be fine if you just acknowledged your tribalism. You don't stand up for Western Enlightenment values, as you claim, but an elitist, white privileged mindset - a notion of entitlement based on your own ancestry and self-professed superiority. You impatiently tolerate "the tinted races" if they know their place and express their subservience to you. You've said this many times. You like to quote Kipling's White Man's Burden, expressing the noble act of keeping the tinted races in their place.

Maintaining the suppression of those you see as inferior requires constant violence, and you scorn anyone who questions the necessity of such violence. This would be fine too if you just owned up to it, but you express such violence while you invoke the Western liberal tradition, feigning a higher cause - liberty, justice, human rights, the rule of law - while you advocate the erosion of all these things.

No worries, old boy, we understand. You uphold liberal principles and social justice for a select few. For the rest of humanity, you advocate - what do you call it?

Submission.

White man's burden, innit.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 3:48pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 8:02pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 3:10pm:

Yadda spams Ozpolitic with the same pictures -

the same text - day after day.

I'd ban him if I was the moderator.

I'm just 'beating my drum' bobby.

Again, and again, and again.

Sorry bobby.

Deuteronomy 29:4

forgiven but get some new material -

you're like a broken record.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 6:24pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 12:10am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 12:04am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 11:57pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 11:54pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 7:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 5:07pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 3:06pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 6:59pm:

How do you know that the Muslims you know and have met represent the overwhelming majority on Australian Muslims??

Because I have never met an Islamic extremist in Australia.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

It's NOT, NOT about YOU Brian, you vain, self absorbed fool.

It's not about YOU!!!! It really is not. Islam is not about you and your experiences.

You are shocked, we all know.

Try marrying one of their daughters. The kuffar are not allowed.

I think your record needle is stuck... ::)

I can't help it if your beloved islam has a scratch.

Not my "beloved Islam". It is however the Islam of all my Muslim friends. Funny that. I wonder how many Muslims you know or are friends with, Hammer?

Oh, and your needle is still stuck... ::)

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 6:28pm

Frank wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 7:51am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 11:54pm:

the extremists are very much in the minority amongst Australian Muslims.

But their actions are rooted in the ideology of Islam.

One, mistaken, interpretetation of Islam just as Joseph Kony's and other religious extremists is in their own religion, Frank.

Quote:

And so examining, criticising and rejecting Islam is an entirely legitimate and sane and honest path. Your stupidity is deeply rooted in your deliberately dishonest and stupid insistence that criticism and rejection of Islam is exactly the same as the criticism and rejection of every single person who was born into Islam, regardless of their level of acceptance or rejection of Islam.

My opposition to your stance is because it is based upon ignorance and hatred, not sensible, rational, legitimate examination. You are a bigot, Frank. If you really rejected Islam you would simply say, "I reject Islam" and then leave it at that but you keep returning here, spouting your hatred and bigotry towards Islam and Muslims. ::)

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 6:30pm

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 12:17pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 5:07pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 3:06pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2016 at 6:59pm:

How do you know that the Muslims you know and have met represent the overwhelming majority on Australian Muslims??

Because I have never met an Islamic extremist in Australia. I have met dozens if not hundreds of Australian Muslims and none of them would fit your stereotype as an extremist. QED. ::)

How many Muslims do you know intimately enough to discuss their innermost religious views with? I know dozens. None fit the stereotype that you and other bigots paint of them. ::)

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 6:32pm

Frank wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 12:27pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 12:04pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 7:51am:

But their actions are rooted in my understanding of the ideology of Islam.

fixed for you Frank.

Funny, it's never stopped their followers from resorting to violence and warfare, now has it? ::)

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Secret Wars on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 6:40pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 6:30pm:

How many Muslims do you know intimately enough to discuss their innermost religious views with? I know dozens. None fit the stereotype that you and other bigots paint of them. ::)

What stereotype is that Brian?

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Dnarever on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 8:10pm

There is a Terror Network in Australia

Nobody likes Telstra

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 9:21pm

Secret Wars wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 6:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 6:30pm:

How many Muslims do you know intimately enough to discuss their innermost religious views with? I know dozens. None fit the stereotype that you and other bigots paint of them. ::)

What stereotype is that Brian?

They are supposedly all unassimilated, Terrorists or supporters of Terrorism, they believe in the subjugation of women, etc. This is all clearly false yet they are the lies we hear being perpetuated by the ignorant like Pauline Hanson every day. ::)

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Secret Wars on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 9:35pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 9:21pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 6:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 6:30pm:

How many Muslims do you know intimately enough to discuss their innermost religious views with? I know dozens. None fit the stereotype that you and other bigots paint of them. ::)

What stereotype is that Brian?

They are supposedly all assimilated, Terrorists or supporters of Terrorism, they believe in the subjugation of women, etc. This is all clearly false yet they are the lies we hear being perpetuated by the ignorant like Pauline Hanson every day. ::)

All? That would be false. You rely a lot on that "all".

But undeniable that there are, your not personally knowing any of them does not in any way disprove their existence and stupid of you to think that it does.

And many do believe in a role for women which is subordinate to men and controlling of them, it is also a belief that you for reasons of cultural relativism cannot criticise so it is odd that you bring it up to criticise those who are critical of imposing religious controls on women.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 9:56pm

Secret Wars wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 9:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 9:21pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 6:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 6:30pm:

How many Muslims do you know intimately enough to discuss their innermost religious views with? I know dozens. None fit the stereotype that you and other bigots paint of them. ::)

What stereotype is that Brian?

They are supposedly all [un]assimilated, Terrorists or supporters of Terrorism, they believe in the subjugation of women, etc. This is all clearly false yet they are the lies we hear being perpetuated by the ignorant like Pauline Hanson every day. ::)

All? That would be false. You rely a lot on that "all".

My apologies that should read, "unassimilated", not "assimilated". Please do your post again.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Secret Wars on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 10:07pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 9:56pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 9:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 9:21pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 6:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 6:30pm:

How many Muslims do you know intimately enough to discuss their innermost religious views with? I know dozens. None fit the stereotype that you and other bigots paint of them. ::)

What stereotype is that Brian?

All? That would be false. You rely a lot on that "all".

My apologies that should read, "unassimilated", not "assimilated". Please do your post again.

I got that you meant unassimilated from your context and thesis.

No matter, your "point" is still stupid and vacuous, their existence is not predicated on you personally knowing them or not. ::)

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 10:31pm

Secret Wars wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 10:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 9:56pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 9:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 9:21pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 6:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 6:30pm:

How many Muslims do you know intimately enough to discuss their innermost religious views with? I know dozens. None fit the stereotype that you and other bigots paint of them. ::)

What stereotype is that Brian?

All? That would be false. You rely a lot on that "all".

My apologies that should read, "unassimilated", not "assimilated". Please do your post again.

I got that you meant unassimilated from your context and thesis.

No matter, your "point" is still stupid and vacuous, their existence is not predicated on you personally knowing them or not. ::)

I am unsure where you are getting that from... ::)

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Secret Wars on Oct 25^th, 2016 at 10:12am

Your thesis, you know dozens of Muslims (a claim easily enough made and yet another debate by anecdote by yourself) and that none you know conform to the stereotype, ( as an apologist you would hardly claim any different now would you Brian? ::)) your rebuttal

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 6:30pm:

How many Muslims do you know intimately enough to discuss their innermost religious views with? I know dozens. None fit the stereotype that you and other bigots paint of them. ::)

I asked you to clarify what you meant by stereotype, your reply

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 6:30pm:

Yes, it is clearly false but only because you rely so heavily on that sneaky "all"; one I note that is frequently deployed by the apologists.

You built a strawman on "all" and you used a silly anecdote to buttress it, your whole shaky edifice totters on that sneaky little modifier.

To borrow from you "clearly" there are Muslims who are unassimilated, who are terrorists and to borrow from Mao who do swim in seas of support and that do believe in and support the subjugation of women. As an aside, as a cultural relativist you also support the subjugation of women albeit framed as a refusal to criticise or condemn.

To deny they exist because you are not personally acquainted with any is idiotic and was the crux of your silly "point".

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 25^th, 2016 at 6:20pm

Tsk, tsk, Secretwars. The "all" is employed by Hanson and her disciples in their broad descriptions of "Muslims", not me. I am well aware that Muslims are a mixed bag - something again that the Hansonites refuse to accept. However, I believe that the Muslims who do not assimilate and who do support Terrorism are very, very much in the minority of Australian Muslims. While you denigrate my resorting to anecdote, it illustrates that I am intimately involved with many Muslim Australians. As I keep pointing out, I have served with, studied with, taught and worked with over the last 30 years large numbers of Muslims in Australia and overseas. Again, I will point out, none of them fit the broadbrush stereotype that the Hansonites and their fellow traveller bigots and racists resort to at every opportunity. ::)

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Secret Wars on Oct 25^th, 2016 at 7:25pm

Tsk tsk your silly pompous self Brian, nothing I said was wrong. Your self serving anecdotes illustrates nothing, proves nothing. All you illustrated is an ability to tell a story that cannot be verified, it has no value in debate.

And once again to explain it in excruciating detail that hopefully you should be finally able to grasp, you rely on a small weasel word, your strawman "all", which is why until you can find a statement that indicates your rebuttal is directed at someone, anyone who has accused an "all" your post and "point " is a tottering pile of crap. That is your strawman to prove, tilt at that scarecrow Brian.

Your story time dozens of Muslim acquaintances does not disprove the existence of those other Muslims. I don't know why you even continue to mention it, I don't know any bank robbers Brian, but I would never be stupid enough to say that they do not exist because I am not acquainted with any bank robbers.

To recap you have presented nothing but anecdote, a strawman and an idiotic notion that your not being personally acquainted with any Islamic terrorists, sympathisers or men who think that women are subordinate to men has value.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Frank on Oct 25^th, 2016 at 9:15pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 3:27pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 12:27pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 12:04pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 7:51am:

But their actions are rooted in my understanding of the ideology of Islam.

fixed for you Frank.

No, you didn't. It is very, very easy to interpret Islam as a solid basis for violent jihad.

Try interpreting Gandhi...

Gandhi's notion of satyagraha, or "truth force", was influenced by Islam.

Bollocks. Where do you get this crap from? 'Submission' influencing nonviolent resistance??? You are out of your mind (still).

He was influenced by Tolstoy.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 25^th, 2016 at 10:53pm

Secret Wars wrote on Oct 25^th, 2016 at 7:25pm:

Yet, here we are, debating this issue. As I've said, I resort to anecdotal evidence because there is no statistical evidence available. It appears to be good enough for Hanson, so why is it not acceptable for me? It appears that you are applying one rule for her and another for me, her critic. Funny that.

Quote:

And once again to explain it in excruciating detail that hopefully you should be finally able to grasp, you rely on a small weasel word, your strawman "all", which is why until you can find a statement that indicates your rebuttal is directed at someone, anyone who has accused an "all" your post and "point " is a tottering pile of crap. That is your strawman to prove, tilt at that scarecrow Brian.

When someone does not qualify a statement I am forced to assume that they mean "all" of the thing they are discussing. That I utilise the word "all" indicates that I am well aware that there are minorities and majorities amongst all groups.

Quote:

Your story time dozens of Muslim acquaintances does not disprove the existence of those other Muslims. I don't know why you even continue to mention it, I don't know any bank robbers Brian, but I would never be stupid enough to say that they do not exist because I am not acquainted with any bank robbers.

Perhaps you need to get out more and start associating with real life people then? Again I ask, how many Muslims do you know?

Quote:

To recap you have presented nothing but anecdote, a strawman and an idiotic notion that your not being personally acquainted with any Islamic terrorists, sympathisers or men who think that women are subordinate to men has value.

No, I have not only presented anecdotal evidence. You are erecting a strawman argument. How typical of the bigots and the Islamophobes. You attack the person rather than their message. ::)

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Karnal on Oct 26^th, 2016 at 1:00pm

Frank wrote on Oct 25^th, 2016 at 9:15pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 3:27pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 12:27pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 12:04pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 7:51am:

But their actions are rooted in my understanding of the ideology of Islam.

fixed for you Frank.

No, you didn't. It is very, very easy to interpret Islam as a solid basis for violent jihad.

Try interpreting Gandhi...

Gandhi's notion of satyagraha, or "truth force", was influenced by Islam.

Bollocks. Where do you get this crap from? 'Submission' influencing nonviolent resistance??? You are out of your mind (still).

He was influenced by Tolstoy.

From his own book, old boy, the Story of My Experiments With Truth.

Gandhi had a range of influences. This was the point of his political - and spiritual - philosophy. Gandhi was a universalist, not a secularist. He saw all religions as important.

Islam means submission to God. Jihad means spiritual struggle. Gandhi stood for both these things.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Secret Wars on Oct 26^th, 2016 at 1:05pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25^th, 2016 at 10:53pm:

As I've said, I resort to anecdotal evidence because there is no statistical evidence available. It appears to be good enough for Hanson, so why is it not acceptable for me? It appears that you are applying one rule for her and another for me, her critic. Funny that.

I am sure you have sneered at others for using self serving anecdotal "evidence" instead of verifiable argument, and if you haven't that is something else you have learned, the relative lack of weight in using a self serving and unverifiable anecdote to make your argument.

And Hanson, where have I applied one rule to her and one to you? You will search the forum high and low and find no reference by me to Hanson. So you can belay that strawman you are clumsily attempting to erect.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25^th, 2016 at 10:53pm:

Well durrr, Brian, yes I know that is what you have been doing, and you are not "forced" to do anything, you chose to assume a position that no one has stated by inserting your "all" weasel word precisely because you know there are majorities and minorities.

That was the strawman you built and the one I am beating you over your silly head with.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25^th, 2016 at 10:53pm:

Perhaps you need to get out more and start associating with real life people then? Again I ask, how many Muslims do you know?

Perhaps you should consider attempting to debate by using verifiable evidence instead of building strawmen and relying on anecdote. As for how many muslims I know, I know dozens Brian. ;D. See how easy that was? Fact and evidence free debating, Brian style. ;D

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25^th, 2016 at 10:53pm:

No, I have not only presented anecdotal evidence

Here it is Brian, your posts,

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 9:21pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 6:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 6:30pm:

How many Muslims do you know intimately enough to discuss their innermost religious views with? I know dozens. None fit the stereotype that you and other bigots paint of them. ::)

What stereotype is that Brian?

Find for me and quote any factual verifiable part not the strawman you built or the anecdote you used to rebut it.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 26^th, 2016 at 5:20pm

Just read anything by Herbie, Juliar, Mechanic, Gordon, Frank, Yadda, Moses, yourself on the topic of Islam and Muslims in Australia. If you're too lazy, there isn't much I can do for you... ::)

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Secret Wars on Oct 26^th, 2016 at 6:25pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26^th, 2016 at 5:20pm:

Just read anything by Herbie, Juliar, Mechanic, Gordon, Frank, Yadda, Moses, yourself on the topic of Islam and Muslims in Australia. If you're too lazy, there isn't much I can do for you... ::)

Dear oh dear Brian, your yawn emoticon is your flag of surrender. Been waving it a lot lately?

To defend yourself against the charge levelled all you needed was to present where your interlocutor had claimed that all Muslims are terrorists. That after all was the tottering edifice that was your golem strawman. That simple thing you could not do.

I also note you have declined to present any quote which was "not only anecdotal evidence". It's not there is it Brian despite your claim, I know cos I checked. And you know cos you looked and found nothing and thus can show nothing.

Tsk tsk Brian, building strawmen, presenting personal anecdotes and lying are not the way adults debate. Insert Brian style pompous rolling eyes .... ::) ::) there ya go.

Still it may be lesson for others that may desire to engage with you, beware the strawmen, the unfounded allegations, the self serving evidence free anecdotes and the lies.

Clown.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by mothra on Oct 26^th, 2016 at 6:44pm

We should start a drinking game.

Throw one back every time Secret says "strawman".

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Secret Wars on Oct 26^th, 2016 at 6:49pm

mothra wrote on Oct 26^th, 2016 at 6:44pm:

We should start a drinking game.

Throw one back every time Secret says "strawman".

Great game. You should. But not just for me. It might impose a bit of discipline in debate if you engage with and argue what people say instead of making poo up like Brian chose to do.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Frank on Oct 26^th, 2016 at 9:05pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 26^th, 2016 at 1:00pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 25^th, 2016 at 9:15pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 3:27pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 12:27pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 12:04pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 7:51am:

But their actions are rooted in my understanding of the ideology of Islam.

fixed for you Frank.

No, you didn't. It is very, very easy to interpret Islam as a solid basis for violent jihad.

Try interpreting Gandhi...

Gandhi's notion of satyagraha, or "truth force", was influenced by Islam.

Bollocks. Where do you get this crap from? 'Submission' influencing nonviolent resistance??? You are out of your mind (still).

He was influenced by Tolstoy.

;D ;D ;D ;D

Yeah, right, Gandhi was a jihadi. There is simply no limit of idiocy that you will not go to in defence of the indefencible, Abu Karnal.

You are a walking, talking Stockholm Syndrome. You have lost all sense of proportion.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 26^th, 2016 at 10:02pm

Jihad ::)

Satyagraha ::)

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 26^th, 2016 at 10:03pm

Secret Wars wrote on Oct 26^th, 2016 at 6:49pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 26^th, 2016 at 6:44pm:

We should start a drinking game.

Throw one back every time Secret says "strawman".

Great game. You should. But not just for me. It might impose a bit of discipline in debate if you engage with and argue what people say instead of making poo up like Brian chose to do.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Karnal on Oct 26^th, 2016 at 10:58pm

Frank wrote on Oct 26^th, 2016 at 9:05pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 26^th, 2016 at 1:00pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 25^th, 2016 at 9:15pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 3:27pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 12:27pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 12:04pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 7:51am:

But their actions are rooted in my understanding of the ideology of Islam.

fixed for you Frank.

No, you didn't. It is very, very easy to interpret Islam as a solid basis for violent jihad.

Try interpreting Gandhi...

Gandhi's notion of satyagraha, or "truth force", was influenced by Islam.

Bollocks. Where do you get this crap from? 'Submission' influencing nonviolent resistance??? You are out of your mind (still).

He was influenced by Tolstoy.

The book comes highly recommended. You'll find it in most Indian railway station newsstands.

It's a bit harder to find in Pakistan, but you can have a poke around the second-hand bookshops in Lahore.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Frank on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 1:39pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 26^th, 2016 at 10:58pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 26^th, 2016 at 9:05pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 26^th, 2016 at 1:00pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 25^th, 2016 at 9:15pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 3:27pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 12:27pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 12:04pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 7:51am:

But their actions are rooted in my understanding of the ideology of Islam.

fixed for you Frank.

No, you didn't. It is very, very easy to interpret Islam as a solid basis for violent jihad.

Try interpreting Gandhi...

Gandhi's notion of satyagraha, or "truth force", was influenced by Islam.

Bollocks. Where do you get this crap from? 'Submission' influencing nonviolent resistance??? You are out of your mind (still).

He was influenced by Tolstoy.

You poke around in La Whore.

Title: Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Post by Unforgiven on Nov 29^th, 2016 at 4:04pm