Prof Alan J Lichtman has correctly predicted every presidential election since 1984 and he says Trump will win by the narrowest of margins.

Isn't this what I said a while back, that it would go down to the wire? But it could be a different result after today.
Who knows? The American people might finally wake up to the evil that is the "Grifters in Chief".
Or they might decide Donald Trump has rigged things with the FBI.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/303239-prof-correct-on-30-years-of-elections-trump-will-win

Wanna bet?

Who would be mad enough to bet on such a close thing as this is likely to be?
But I know who is making a terrific run down the outside.

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 29^th, 2016 at 10:46am:

Who would be mad enough to bet on such a close thing as this is likely to be? But I know who is making a terrific run down the outside.

It's not close at all.

Hillary will win ... comfortably.

Wanna make a bet?

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29^th, 2016 at 10:48am:

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:46am: Who would be mad enough to bet on such a close thing as this is likely to be? But I know who is making a terrific run down the outside. It's not close at all. Hillary will win ... comfortably. Wanna make a bet?

Haven't you already made a big bet on it?

Gordon wrote on Oct 29^th, 2016 at 10:57am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:48am: bogarde73 wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:46am: Who would be mad enough to bet on such a close thing as this is likely to be? But I know who is making a terrific run down the outside. It's not close at all. Hillary will win ... comfortably. Wanna make a bet? Haven't you already made a big bet on it?

Nope.

Do you want to accept my "leave the forum forever" challenge?

Yes, or no.  I have no time for your childish games.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29^th, 2016 at 10:58am:

Gordon wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:57am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:48am: bogarde73 wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:46am: Who would be mad enough to bet on such a close thing as this is likely to be? But I know who is making a terrific run down the outside. It's not close at all. Hillary will win ... comfortably. Wanna make a bet? Haven't you already made a big bet on it? Nope. Do you want to accept my "leave the forum forever" challenge? Yes, or no.  I have no time for your childish games.

$1000 to Cancer Council.

Gordon wrote on Oct 29^th, 2016 at 11:01am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:58am: Gordon wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:57am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:48am: bogarde73 wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:46am: Who would be mad enough to bet on such a close thing as this is likely to be? But I know who is making a terrific run down the outside. It's not close at all. Hillary will win ... comfortably. Wanna make a bet? Haven't you already made a big bet on it? Nope. Do you want to accept my "leave the forum forever" challenge? Yes, or no.  I have no time for your childish games. $1000 to Cancer Council.

That's not my challenge.

My challenge is this:

- if Trump wins, I leave this forum forever

- if Hillary wins, you leave this forum forever

No socks.

Do you accept, or not?

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29^th, 2016 at 11:03am:

Gordon wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 11:01am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:58am: Gordon wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:57am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:48am: bogarde73 wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:46am: Who would be mad enough to bet on such a close thing as this is likely to be? But I know who is making a terrific run down the outside. It's not close at all. Hillary will win ... comfortably. Wanna make a bet? Haven't you already made a big bet on it? Nope. Do you want to accept my "leave the forum forever" challenge? Yes, or no.  I have no time for your childish games. $1000 to Cancer Council. That's not my challenge. My challenge is this: - if Trump wins, I leave this forum forever - if Hillary wins, you leave this forum forever No socks. Do you accept, or not?

Not accepted, happy for a donation to Australian most regarded charity tho. No worries.

Gordon wrote on Oct 29^th, 2016 at 11:07am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 11:03am: Gordon wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 11:01am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:58am: Gordon wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:57am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:48am: bogarde73 wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:46am: Who would be mad enough to bet on such a close thing as this is likely to be? But I know who is making a terrific run down the outside. It's not close at all. Hillary will win ... comfortably. Wanna make a bet? Haven't you already made a big bet on it? Nope. Do you want to accept my "leave the forum forever" challenge? Yes, or no.  I have no time for your childish games. $1000 to Cancer Council. That's not my challenge. My challenge is this: - if Trump wins, I leave this forum forever - if Hillary wins, you leave this forum forever No socks. Do you accept, or not? Not accepted, happy for a donation to Australian most regarded charity tho. No worries.

Chicken.

Okay, but let's make it $10,000.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29^th, 2016 at 11:07am:

Gordon wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 11:07am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 11:03am: Gordon wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 11:01am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:58am: Gordon wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:57am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:48am: bogarde73 wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:46am: Who would be mad enough to bet on such a close thing as this is likely to be? But I know who is making a terrific run down the outside. It's not close at all. Hillary will win ... comfortably. Wanna make a bet? Haven't you already made a big bet on it? Nope. Do you want to accept my "leave the forum forever" challenge? Yes, or no.  I have no time for your childish games. $1000 to Cancer Council. That's not my challenge. My challenge is this: - if Trump wins, I leave this forum forever - if Hillary wins, you leave this forum forever No socks. Do you accept, or not? Not accepted, happy for a donation to Australian most regarded charity tho. No worries. Chicken. Okay, but let's make it $10,000.

Nah, my family needs that money. 1k I can do. Wife stops work in a month :)

BTW, I also think Hills is a nose in front.

I'd actually like if Hills was charged by the FBI, Trump gets charged for groping women and they decide to let Obama stay for one more year and start the process again with decent candidates.

How good would that be!!!

Gordon wrote on Oct 29^th, 2016 at 11:12am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 11:07am: Gordon wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 11:07am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 11:03am: Gordon wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 11:01am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:58am: Gordon wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:57am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:48am: bogarde73 wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:46am: Who would be mad enough to bet on such a close thing as this is likely to be? But I know who is making a terrific run down the outside. It's not close at all. Hillary will win ... comfortably. Wanna make a bet? Haven't you already made a big bet on it? Nope. Do you want to accept my "leave the forum forever" challenge? Yes, or no.  I have no time for your childish games. $1000 to Cancer Council. That's not my challenge. My challenge is this: - if Trump wins, I leave this forum forever - if Hillary wins, you leave this forum forever No socks. Do you accept, or not? Not accepted, happy for a donation to Australian most regarded charity tho. No worries. Chicken. Okay, but let's make it $10,000. Nah, my family needs that money. 1k I can do. Wife stops work in a month :) BTW, I also think Hills is a nose in front. I'd actually like if Hills was charged by the FBI, Trump gets charged for groping women and they decide to let Obama stay for one more year and start the process again with decent candidates. How good would that be!!!

That WOULD be good!

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29^th, 2016 at 10:48am:

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:46am: Who would be mad enough to bet on such a close thing as this is likely to be? But I know who is making a terrific run down the outside. It's not close at all. Hillary will win ... comfortably. Wanna make a bet?

Like wanting to bet on whether you'll get syphilis or gonorrhoea; both are extremely poor candidates and the USA should be ashamed of itself for their very existence.

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 29^th, 2016 at 11:22am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:48am: bogarde73 wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:46am: Who would be mad enough to bet on such a close thing as this is likely to be? But I know who is making a terrific run down the outside. It's not close at all. Hillary will win ... comfortably. Wanna make a bet? Like wanting to bet on whether you'll get syphilis or gonorrhoea; both are extremely poor candidates and the USA should be ashamed of itself for their very existence.

A simple yes or no - do you want to take me up on my challenge?

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29^th, 2016 at 11:23am:

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 11:22am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:48am: bogarde73 wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:46am: Who would be mad enough to bet on such a close thing as this is likely to be? But I know who is making a terrific run down the outside. It's not close at all. Hillary will win ... comfortably. Wanna make a bet? Like wanting to bet on whether you'll get syphilis or gonorrhoea; both are extremely poor candidates and the USA should be ashamed of itself for their very existence. A simple yes or no - do you want to take me up on my challenge?

That bet is with bogey, not me.

I despise both candidates so why would I champion on the one I despise the most?


Bit early for getting on the p1ss isn't it?

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 29^th, 2016 at 11:29am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 11:23am: BigOl64 wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 11:22am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:48am: bogarde73 wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:46am: Who would be mad enough to bet on such a close thing as this is likely to be? But I know who is making a terrific run down the outside. It's not close at all. Hillary will win ... comfortably. Wanna make a bet? Like wanting to bet on whether you'll get syphilis or gonorrhoea; both are extremely poor candidates and the USA should be ashamed of itself for their very existence. A simple yes or no - do you want to take me up on my challenge? That bet is with bogey, not me. I despise both candidates so why would I champion on the one I despise the most? Bit early for getting on the p1ss isn't it?

I'm extending the challenge to you.

And, I don't like either candidate as well.

I'm not championing on anyone - I'm just telling you what's gonna happen: Hillary will be POTUS.

I am not a Clinton fan.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29^th, 2016 at 11:31am:

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 11:29am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 11:23am: BigOl64 wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 11:22am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:48am: bogarde73 wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:46am: Who would be mad enough to bet on such a close thing as this is likely to be? But I know who is making a terrific run down the outside. It's not close at all. Hillary will win ... comfortably. Wanna make a bet? Like wanting to bet on whether you'll get syphilis or gonorrhoea; both are extremely poor candidates and the USA should be ashamed of itself for their very existence. A simple yes or no - do you want to take me up on my challenge? That bet is with bogey, not me. I despise both candidates so why would I champion on the one I despise the most? Bit early for getting on the p1ss isn't it? I'm extending the challenge to you. And, I don't like either candidate as well. I'm not championing on anyone - I'm just telling you what's gonna happen: Hillary will be POTUS.

I bet on basic desire to win, myself and my choice, it tends to be an emotional process for me, so based on my previous posts; Ill have to decline.

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 29^th, 2016 at 11:34am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 11:31am: BigOl64 wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 11:29am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 11:23am: BigOl64 wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 11:22am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:48am: bogarde73 wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:46am: Who would be mad enough to bet on such a close thing as this is likely to be? But I know who is making a terrific run down the outside. It's not close at all. Hillary will win ... comfortably. Wanna make a bet? Like wanting to bet on whether you'll get syphilis or gonorrhoea; both are extremely poor candidates and the USA should be ashamed of itself for their very existence. A simple yes or no - do you want to take me up on my challenge? That bet is with bogey, not me. I despise both candidates so why would I champion on the one I despise the most? Bit early for getting on the p1ss isn't it? I'm extending the challenge to you. And, I don't like either candidate as well. I'm not championing on anyone - I'm just telling you what's gonna happen: Hillary will be POTUS. I bet on basic desire to win, myself and my choice, it tends to be an emotional process for me, so based on my previous posts; Ill have to decline.

No probs.

A wise move.

I like Gordy's idea: let Obama stay on for another year, while they sort this mess out and find some worthy candidates.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29^th, 2016 at 11:35am:

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 11:34am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 11:31am: BigOl64 wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 11:29am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 11:23am: BigOl64 wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 11:22am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:48am: bogarde73 wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:46am: Who would be mad enough to bet on such a close thing as this is likely to be? But I know who is making a terrific run down the outside. It's not close at all. Hillary will win ... comfortably. Wanna make a bet? Like wanting to bet on whether you'll get syphilis or gonorrhoea; both are extremely poor candidates and the USA should be ashamed of itself for their very existence. A simple yes or no - do you want to take me up on my challenge? That bet is with bogey, not me. I despise both candidates so why would I champion on the one I despise the most? Bit early for getting on the p1ss isn't it? I'm extending the challenge to you. And, I don't like either candidate as well. I'm not championing on anyone - I'm just telling you what's gonna happen: Hillary will be POTUS. I bet on basic desire to win, myself and my choice, it tends to be an emotional process for me, so based on my previous posts; Ill have to decline. No probs. A wise move. I like Gordy's idea: let Obama stay on for another year, while they sort this mess out and find some worthy candidates.

There are also some less obvious reasons why a Trump win would be good. If he wins, the ensuing political  disaster it would cause, I think (hope) would force the Republicans will rebuild itself as more moderate party.

If Hillary wins, the republicans in opposition will take vehemence to new levels, she'll only be in for one term and the next Republican leader may be someone not so easily lampooned, but politically much much worse.

If the media is biased why shouldn't we believe that the polls are also rigged?

DRAIN THE SWAMP

BTW: Did you know that Washington DC was originally a swamp? It has returned.

Trump Wins By Landslide-Polls 100% Manufactured-Clif High

http://usawatchdog.com/trump-wins-by-landslide-polls-100-manufactured-clif-high/

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29^th, 2016 at 10:48am:

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:46am: Who would be mad enough to bet on such a close thing as this is likely to be? But I know who is making a terrific run down the outside. It's not close at all. Hillary will win ... comfortably. Wanna make a bet?

You've already stated that if Crooked Hillary loses, you would leave the forum for good? Going back on your word now haemorrhoid?

Clinton only 4 points ahead of Trump ...

link

Fuzzball wrote on Oct 29^th, 2016 at 1:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:48am: bogarde73 wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:46am: Who would be mad enough to bet on such a close thing as this is likely to be? But I know who is making a terrific run down the outside. It's not close at all. Hillary will win ... comfortably. Wanna make a bet? You've already stated that if Crooked Hillary loses, you would leave the forum for good? Going back on your word now haemorrhoid?

No, I am not going back on my word.

If Trump wins, I will leave this forum forever.

I'm not sure how much clearer I can make that.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29^th, 2016 at 1:58pm:

Fuzzball wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 1:43pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:48am: bogarde73 wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:46am: Who would be mad enough to bet on such a close thing as this is likely to be? But I know who is making a terrific run down the outside. It's not close at all. Hillary will win ... comfortably. Wanna make a bet? You've already stated that if Crooked Hillary loses, you would leave the forum for good? Going back on your word now haemorrhoid? No, I am not going back on my word. If Trump wins, I will leave this forum forever. I'm not sure how much clearer I can make that.

How about a side bet.
If Trump wins and you leave, I'll donate $1000 to the cancer council if you sign your existing account over to me.

Gordon wrote on Oct 29^th, 2016 at 2:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 1:58pm: Fuzzball wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 1:43pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:48am: bogarde73 wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:46am: Who would be mad enough to bet on such a close thing as this is likely to be? But I know who is making a terrific run down the outside. It's not close at all. Hillary will win ... comfortably. Wanna make a bet? You've already stated that if Crooked Hillary loses, you would leave the forum for good? Going back on your word now haemorrhoid? No, I am not going back on my word. If Trump wins, I will leave this forum forever. I'm not sure how much clearer I can make that. How about a side bet. If Trump wins and you leave, I'll donate $1000 to the cancer council if you sign your existing account over to me.

Sure.

And if Hillary wins?

The polls are showing voting intention but they are not showing and cannot show turnout.

The big unknown is just how motivated to vote are all the people who didn't turn up to vote in 2008 and 2012.


If Hillary wins the Republican Party will collapse unless they maintain their majority in Congress and the Senate. If the Republicans keep their majority they will impeach Clinton - they will not be able to resist the popular pressure  of their base


There is simply no going back to Hill and Bill and the 90s in the long run.

Interesting to compare both candidates official, primary speech viewings on Youtube.

Hillary - 2,165    views
Trump - 775,653   views

That is about 360 times more interest in what Trump has to say than Hillary. Polls are BS.

Looks like a win landslide for Trump.

http://usawatchdog.com/trump-wins-by-landslide-polls-100-manufactured-clif-high/

Richdude wrote on Oct 29^th, 2016 at 9:06pm:

Interesting to compare both candidates official, primary speech viewings on Youtube. Hillary - 2,165    views Trump - 775,653   views That is about 360 times more interest in what Trump has to say than Hillary. Polls are BS. Looks like a win landslide for Trump. http://usawatchdog.com/trump-wins-by-landslide-polls-100-manufactured-clif-high/

Care to make a bet?

Nah, didn't think so.

Coward.

..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfMBi0EJNak


http://s3.legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Exposed-600-LI-594x425.jpg

WIKILEAKS & the FBI RE-OPENED INVESTIGATIONS slowly sinking SHillary's Ship!


..

The US does not have compolsury voting, very hard to predict as the election results will come down to who cared enough to vote. The fact that both candidates are morally reprehensible  may very well lead to Trump winning.

rhino wrote on Oct 29^th, 2016 at 11:05pm:

The US does not have compolsury voting, very hard to predict as the election results will come down to who cared enough to vote. The fact that both candidates are morally reprehensible  may very well lead to Trump winning.

No.

Trump has never won a thing in his life.

Think about it.

This will be no different.

Hillary will win ... comfortably.

And no, I'm not a Clinton fan.

rhino wrote on Oct 29^th, 2016 at 11:05pm:

The US does not have compolsury voting, very hard to predict as the election results will come down to who cared enough to vote. The fact that both candidates are morally reprehensible  may very well lead to Trump winning.

Predicting results was probably furthest from the minds of those Founding Fathers who crafted the process, giving American Citizens the Freedom to decide whether they would vote or not, over 230 years ago.

It's been serving Americans pretty well, & I doubt they would want to trade away their Right to Vote, or Not Vote in order to enable them to better predict political outcomes as the trade off.

America enjoys it's Freedom to make decisions (like voting) for themselves, & the Liberty that comes with it, which is part & parcel.

They would take being told that they had to adhere to compulsory voting laws as an outrage, an oppressive process forced upon them by an oppressive government.

They would not comply, they would flatly refuse to comply, & they would refuse to pay any fines associated with their refusal to the point of armed resistance.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29^th, 2016 at 11:27pm:

rhino wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 11:05pm: The US does not have compolsury voting, very hard to predict as the election results will come down to who cared enough to vote. The fact that both candidates are morally reprehensible  may very well lead to Trump winning. No. Trump has never won a thing in his life. Think about it. This will be no different. Hillary will win ... comfortably. And no, I'm not a Clinton fan.

You say you're not a Clinton fan but you'd be a fan of Globalization and Fabian Humanism, wouldn't ya?

It's no wonder therefore that you keep denigrating Trump. I'd say you want nation destroying "Obama" type politics to continue, and you don't care who continues it. But Clinton will do, won't she?

This is true Bias. I just read one notable pundit say he wouldn't care if Hillary had the body of a murdered girl in her basement, he'd still vote for her.

Western countries, including our own, are now divided into two camps. One that wants to keep going further & further down the road of globalism over national sovereignty, big govt over smaller, welfarism over self-dependence, unlimited migrations over national interest, and sleaze over decency.

Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 29^th, 2016 at 11:55pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 11:27pm: rhino wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 11:05pm: The US does not have compolsury voting, very hard to predict as the election results will come down to who cared enough to vote. The fact that both candidates are morally reprehensible  may very well lead to Trump winning. No. Trump has never won a thing in his life. Think about it. This will be no different. Hillary will win ... comfortably. And no, I'm not a Clinton fan. You say you're not a Clinton fan but you'd be a fan of Globalization and Fabian Humanism, wouldn't ya? It's no wonder therefore that you keep denigrating Trump.

I say I'm not a clinton fan because I'm not a Clinton fan.

What part of that don't you understand?

And, I continue to denigrate Trump because he isn't a worthy candidate for POTUS.

He has no experience and absolutely no idea.

Moreover, he has admitted to sexually assaulting women and he has been accused of raping at least one child.

The man does not possess a single admirable quality.

He is a complete failure as a human being.

America needs someone other than Hillary, but they don't need that bloated orange pig. Nobody does.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 7:21am:

isn't a worthy candidate for POTUS.

And you are an 'expert' on just who is 'a worthy candidate', why?

Fuzzball wrote on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 7:30am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 7:21am: isn't a worthy candidate for POTUS. And you are an 'expert' on just who is 'a worthy candidate', why?

Worthy candidate =

- hasn't been accused of raping a child

- hasn't admitted to sexually assaulting women

- hasn't been bankrupt four times

- does have experience in public office

- does have an understanding of the constitution and the American political system

- isn't a compulsive liar

- isn't a bully

- isn't a racist bigot

- isn't a bloated orange douche bag

Trump fails to meet even the most basic requirements.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 9:49am:

Trump fails to meet even the most basic requirements.

Trump is going to win it and your head is going to explode.

It's going to be GREAT!!!!!

Frank wrote on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 10:19am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:49am: Trump fails to meet even the most basic requirements. Trump is going to win it ...

Wanna make a bet?

Frank ... ?

You went very quiet.

Got your bags packed mate? Sent for Uber?

Frank wrote on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 10:19am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:49am: Trump fails to meet even the most basic requirements. Trump is going to win it and your head is going to explode. It's going to be GREAT!!!!!

It's going to be messy because he'll have his head up his arse as usual.

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 12:26pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 10:19am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 9:49am: Trump fails to meet even the most basic requirements. Trump is going to win it and your head is going to explode. It's going to be GREAT!!!!! It's going to be messy because he'll have his head up his arse as usual.

;D ;D ;D

A shite bomb going off up his arse.  Let's build a wall of fans around him before 8 Nov.

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 11:57am:

Got your bags packed mate? Sent for Uber?

Yes, you all need to pack your bags.

When Hillary wins, you're all out of here.

That was the deal, remember.

Trump wins, I go; Hillary wins, you go.

I hope none of you are going to renege.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 2:26pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 11:57am: Got your bags packed mate? Sent for Uber? Yes, you all need to pack your bags. When Hillary wins, you're all out of here. That was the deal, remember. Trump wins, I go; Hillary wins, you go. I hope none of you are going to renege.

Why would someone need to actually pack their bags to leave a forum, pray tell?

Gordon wrote on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 2:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 2:26pm: bogarde73 wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 11:57am: Got your bags packed mate? Sent for Uber? Yes, you all need to pack your bags. When Hillary wins, you're all out of here. That was the deal, remember. Trump wins, I go; Hillary wins, you go. I hope none of you are going to renege. Why would someone need to actually pack their bags to leave a forum, pray tell?

Ask Bogie.

He's the one who mentioned it.

He also thinks a taxi is required   :-/

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 2:26pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 11:57am: Got your bags packed mate? Sent for Uber? Yes, you all need to pack your bags. When Hillary wins, you're all out of here. That was the deal, remember. Trump wins, I go; Hillary wins, you go. I hope none of you are going to renege.

Trump wins, Cancer Council gets $1k and I get your account.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 2:34pm:

Gordon wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 2:33pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 2:26pm: bogarde73 wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 11:57am: Got your bags packed mate? Sent for Uber? Yes, you all need to pack your bags. When Hillary wins, you're all out of here. That was the deal, remember. Trump wins, I go; Hillary wins, you go. I hope none of you are going to renege. Why would someone need to actually pack their bags to leave a forum, pray tell? Ask Bogie. He's the one who mentioned it. He also thinks a taxi is required   :-/

At least be classy and get an Uber.

https://s25.postimg.org/eeu6y0iv3/Getty_Images_618669282_640x482.jpg

But..but.., haemorrhoid said I would win..... ;D ;D ;D

However, the election result could be disputed in the courts due to the late intervention of FBI director with resurrection of email scandal.

Unforgiven wrote on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 2:48pm:

However, the election result could be disputed in the courts due to the late intervention of FBI director with resurrection of email scandal.

Would you like to make an election bet?

Gordon wrote on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 2:56pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 2:48pm: However, the election result could be disputed in the courts due to the late intervention of FBI director with resurrection of email scandal. Would you like to make an election bet?

I would not bet on an event that is decided by a majority of below-average IQ people.

Evidently Gordon is familiar with the thought process of below below-average IQ people.

Gordon wrote on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 2:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 2:26pm: bogarde73 wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 11:57am: Got your bags packed mate? Sent for Uber? Yes, you all need to pack your bags. When Hillary wins, you're all out of here. That was the deal, remember. Trump wins, I go; Hillary wins, you go. I hope none of you are going to renege. Trump wins, Cancer Council gets $1k and I get your account.

And when Hillary wins ... ?

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 3:19pm:

Gordon wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 2:36pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 2:26pm: bogarde73 wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 11:57am: Got your bags packed mate? Sent for Uber? Yes, you all need to pack your bags. When Hillary wins, you're all out of here. That was the deal, remember. Trump wins, I go; Hillary wins, you go. I hope none of you are going to renege. Trump wins, Cancer Council gets $1k and I get your account. And when Hillary wins ... ?

I'll still give CC 1k for your account so either way they gain.

Gordon wrote on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 3:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 3:19pm: Gordon wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 2:36pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 2:26pm: bogarde73 wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 11:57am: Got your bags packed mate? Sent for Uber? Yes, you all need to pack your bags. When Hillary wins, you're all out of here. That was the deal, remember. Trump wins, I go; Hillary wins, you go. I hope none of you are going to renege. Trump wins, Cancer Council gets $1k and I get your account. And when Hillary wins ... ? I'll still give CC 1k for your account so either way they gain.

And I get your account.

Deal.

Why do you want Greg's account?

Creepy.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 3:39pm:

Gordon wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 3:38pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 3:19pm: Gordon wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 2:36pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 2:26pm: bogarde73 wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 11:57am: Got your bags packed mate? Sent for Uber? Yes, you all need to pack your bags. When Hillary wins, you're all out of here. That was the deal, remember. Trump wins, I go; Hillary wins, you go. I hope none of you are going to renege. Trump wins, Cancer Council gets $1k and I get your account. And when Hillary wins ... ? I'll still give CC 1k for your account so either way they gain. And I get your account. Deal.

That would mean we swap accounts with 1k going to the CC.

mothra wrote on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 3:41pm:

Why do you want Greg's account? Creepy.

same reason gweggy wants gordys account I guess..

I think its creepy gown men are making bets that no one will keep.. and they have no way of making them keep them..

its such tosh,,

grow up guys at leas........... pretend to be grown up..

mothra wrote on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 3:41pm:

Why do you want Greg's account? Creepy.

Why do you think a $1000 donation to the Cancer Council is creepy, pray tell?

cods wrote on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 3:49pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 3:41pm: Why do you want Greg's account? Creepy. same reason gweggy wants gordys account I guess.. I think its creepy gown men are making bets that no one will keep.. and they have no way of making them keep them.. its such tosh,, grow up guys at leas........... pretend to be grown up..

I keep my bets. I know someone on here that doesn't tho.

Gordon wrote on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 3:50pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 3:41pm: Why do you want Greg's account? Creepy. Why do you think a $1000 donation to the Cancer Council is creepy, pray tell?

Where did i say a donation was creepy?

I said wanting someone's account was creepy.

mothra wrote on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 3:57pm:

Gordon wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 3:50pm: mothra wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 3:41pm: Why do you want Greg's account? Creepy. Why do you think a $1000 donation to the Cancer Council is creepy, pray tell? Where did i say a donation was creepy? I said wanting someone's account was creepy.

If you have creepy thoughts in your head I guess it's creepy.  He won't be needing it anymore,  CC gets 1000 and I get to give his profile a personality makeover.

cods wrote on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 3:49pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 3:41pm: Why do you want Greg's account? Creepy. same reason gweggy wants gordys account I guess.. I think its creepy gown men are making bets that no one will keep.. and they have no way of making them keep them.. its such tosh,, grow up guys at leas........... pretend to be grown up..

I don't want Gordy's account.

I'm just playing his silly game.

The deal is this:

- Trump wins, and I leave this forum forever

- Hillary wins, and Gordy leaves the forum forever

If he wants to donate to charity as well, that's fine.

However, my original deal stands.

I suspect Gordy will renege, though.

Gordon wrote on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 4:00pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 3:57pm: Gordon wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 3:50pm: mothra wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 3:41pm: Why do you want Greg's account? Creepy. Why do you think a $1000 donation to the Cancer Council is creepy, pray tell? Where did i say a donation was creepy? I said wanting someone's account was creepy. If you have creepy thoughts in your head I guess it's creepy.  He won't be needing it anymore,  CC gets 1000 and I get to give his profile a personality makeover.

Very creepy.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 4:12pm:

cods wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 3:49pm: mothra wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 3:41pm: Why do you want Greg's account? Creepy. same reason gweggy wants gordys account I guess.. I think its creepy gown men are making bets that no one will keep.. and they have no way of making them keep them.. its such tosh,, grow up guys at leas........... pretend to be grown up.. I don't want Gordy's account. I'm just playing his silly game. The deal is this: - Trump wins, and I leave this forum forever - Hillary wins, and Gordy leaves the forum forever If he wants to donate to charity as well, that's fine. However, my original deal stands. I suspect Gordy will renege, though.

I agreed to nothing of the sort because I believe Hills will win :)

This part I believe has been agreed to by all parties.
If Trump wins, Greggy leaves forever (that bet was made with a 3rd party) As a side deal, I'll donate $1k to CC for the keys to his account.

There seems to be some confusion over this part.
If Hillary wins, I'm still open to donating $1k for Greggys account, up to him.

mothra wrote on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 4:19pm:

Gordon wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 4:00pm: mothra wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 3:57pm: Gordon wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 3:50pm: mothra wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 3:41pm: Why do you want Greg's account? Creepy. Why do you think a $1000 donation to the Cancer Council is creepy, pray tell? Where did i say a donation was creepy? I said wanting someone's account was creepy. If you have creepy thoughts in your head I guess it's creepy.  He won't be needing it anymore,  CC gets 1000 and I get to give his profile a personality makeover. Very creepy.

Why do you find a silly bet where the Cancer Council receives $1000 creepy? You must be a VERY creepy person. Yuck!!!

You're a bit slow on the uptake,  Gordy.

For the second time,  i don't finda donation creepy.

I find you wanting Greg's account creepy.

Do you understand now?  Or would you like it explained to you a third time?

mothra wrote on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 4:26pm:

You're a bit slow on the uptake,  Gordy. For the second time,  i don't finda donation creepy. I find you wanting Greg's account creepy. Do you understand now?  Or would you like it explained to you a third time?

Wouldn't it depend on what I intended to do with it?
I just want to change political opinions of his account

You must be a very creepy person.  Please don't talk to me anymore,  there are young children in my house.

Gordon wrote on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 4:30pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 4:26pm: You're a bit slow on the uptake,  Gordy. For the second time,  i don't finda donation creepy. I find you wanting Greg's account creepy. Do you understand now?  Or would you like it explained to you a third time? Wouldn't it depend on what I intended to do with it? I just want to change political opinions of his account You must be a very creepy person.  Please don't talk to me anymore,  there are young children in my house.

Are they there of their own free will?

Does Gordon wish to confess?

Unforgiven wrote on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 4:37pm:

Gordon wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 4:30pm: mothra wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 4:26pm: You're a bit slow on the uptake,  Gordy. For the second time,  i don't finda donation creepy. I find you wanting Greg's account creepy. Do you understand now?  Or would you like it explained to you a third time? Wouldn't it depend on what I intended to do with it? I just want to change political opinions of his account You must be a very creepy person.  Please don't talk to me anymore,  there are young children in my house. Are they there of their own free will? Does Gordon wish to confess?

I'll be doing soft sand laps of Bondi at 630 tomorrow,  come ask me yourself.

Anyone else get the impression Gordy has too much invested in this forum?

Offering to pay $1000 for people's accounts... wanting to meet people in real time.. 

Creepy and sad.

mothra wrote on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 4:53pm:

Anyone else get the impression Gordy has too much invested in this forum? Offering to pay $1000 for people's accounts... wanting to meet people in real time..  Creepy and sad.

The blue idiot asked me if I have kidnapped children in my house.  I'm simply providing him the opportunity to ask in person. Now stop bugging me,  creep.

mothra wrote on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 4:53pm:

Anyone else get the impression Gordy has too much invested in this forum? Offering to pay $1000 for people's accounts... wanting to meet people in real time..  Creepy and sad.

+1

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 5:12pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 4:53pm: Anyone else get the impression Gordy has too much invested in this forum? Offering to pay $1000 for people's accounts... wanting to meet people in real time..  Creepy and sad. +1

You invited me to meet you at Brown Sugar at Bondi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngQyzSez4cM

Gordon wrote on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 5:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 5:12pm: mothra wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 4:53pm: Anyone else get the impression Gordy has too much invested in this forum? Offering to pay $1000 for people's accounts... wanting to meet people in real time..  Creepy and sad. +1 You invited me to meet you at Brown Sugar at Bondi. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngQyzSez4cM

Miam miam.

Gordon wrote on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 4:41pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 4:37pm: Gordon wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 4:30pm: mothra wrote on Oct 30th, 2016 at 4:26pm: You're a bit slow on the uptake,  Gordy. For the second time,  i don't finda donation creepy. I find you wanting Greg's account creepy. Do you understand now?  Or would you like it explained to you a third time? Wouldn't it depend on what I intended to do with it? I just want to change political opinions of his account You must be a very creepy person.  Please don't talk to me anymore,  there are young children in my house. Are they there of their own free will? Does Gordon wish to confess? I'll be doing soft sand laps of Bondi at 630 tomorrow,  come ask me yourself.

You'll be the guy with the mouth full of sand running away with lips ceaselessly flapping?

mothra wrote on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 4:53pm:

.. wanting to meet people in real time..

Pecca wanted to meet me at some cocktail bar in Perth, then he asked to meet me at some place called the Malaga tavern. i agree, very creepy.

I don't know how this has become Greg's story.
This is Hilary and Donald's story.

Why Is Bill Cosby Finished While Bill Clinton Is Beloved?

Nobody needed criminal convictions to drop Cosby - just multiple accusations of sexual assault and some out-of-court payouts. But multiple accusations of sexual assault, out-of-court payouts and the loss of his law license are apparently not enough to bar Bill Clinton from another eight years in the White House.

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 31^st, 2016 at 6:45am:

I don't know how this has become Greg's story. This is Hilary and Donald's story.

;D ;D ;D

Post of the Day.

Gregg is like the Best Man at a wedding who believes he's the most important person in the room.

The bride and groom are just background padding while he carries on in front of the cameras. 

Frank wrote on Oct 31^st, 2016 at 8:02am:

Why Is Bill Cosby Finished While Bill Clinton Is Beloved? Nobody needed criminal convictions to drop Cosby - just multiple accusations of sexual assault and some out-of-court payouts. But multiple accusations of sexual assault, out-of-court payouts and the loss of his law license are apparently not enough to bar Bill Clinton from another eight years in the White House.

X 2

What an odd system to predict elections by.

mothra wrote on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 4:53pm:

Anyone else get the impression Gordy has too much invested in this forum? Offering to pay $1000 for people's accounts... wanting to meet people in real time..  Creepy and sad.

Nah, they get the impression that you just can't keep your head out of haemorrhoid's arse.  ;D ;D

Frank wrote on Oct 31^st, 2016 at 8:02am:

Why Is Bill Cosby Finished While Bill Clinton Is Beloved? Nobody needed criminal convictions to drop Cosby - just multiple accusations of sexual assault and some out-of-court payouts. But multiple accusations of sexual assault, out-of-court payouts and the loss of his law license are apparently not enough to bar Bill Clinton from another eight years in the White House.

His wife is running, Frank.

Haven't you heard?

But I'm curious. Which accusations of sexual assault has Bill Clinton received?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 31^st, 2016 at 11:00am:

What an odd system to predict elections by.

Seems to have worked for him though.

The emails will drag Herr Hillary to the bottom of the ocean

red baron wrote on Oct 31^st, 2016 at 4:47pm:

The emails will drag Herr Hillary to the bottom of the ocean

Then she can 'sleep' with her mate.......  http://www.33sm.ml/smileys/chuckle002.gif  ......
https://s15.postimg.org/fu50jpygb/Osama_Bin_Laden_Sleeping_With_the_Fishes_85590.jpg

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 31^st, 2016 at 2:51pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 31st, 2016 at 11:00am: What an odd system to predict elections by. Seems to have worked for him though.

True, but I wonder since this election by all accounts is so different from the past elections if it will hold.

I'd say his chances of being right again have noticeably improved in the last few days, wouldn't you?

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 9:04am:

I'd say his chances of being right again have noticeably improved in the last few days, wouldn't you?

Lol I'll wait for the same people who say MSM polls dont count to look at improvement in Trumps poll numbers and say look at the polls, he's coming back.

Frank wrote on Oct 31^st, 2016 at 8:02am:

Why Is Bill Cosby Finished While Bill Clinton Is Beloved? Nobody needed criminal convictions to drop Cosby - just multiple accusations of sexual assault and some out-of-court payouts. But multiple accusations of sexual assault, out-of-court payouts and the loss of his law license are apparently not enough to bar Bill Clinton from another eight years in the White House.

the somewhat significant difference of Cosby being CHARGED while bill clinton was NOT CHARGED.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 9:07am:

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 9:04am: I'd say his chances of being right again have noticeably improved in the last few days, wouldn't you? Lol I'll wait for the same people who say MSM polls dont count to look at improvement in Trumps poll numbers and say look at the polls, he's coming back.

None of the polls have Trump in front. A few have him close(ish) and a number have him well behind. That doesnt leave a lot of hope for Trump.

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 11:48am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 9:07am: bogarde73 wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 9:04am: I'd say his chances of being right again have noticeably improved in the last few days, wouldn't you? Lol I'll wait for the same people who say MSM polls dont count to look at improvement in Trumps poll numbers and say look at the polls, he's coming back. None of the polls have Trump in front. A few have him close(ish) and a number have him well behind. That doesnt leave a lot of hope for Trump.

I agree, I was more making the point that there seems to be a lot of Trump supporters saying the polls dont mean anything until they show good news for Trump, then they are 100% believable.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 11:55am:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 11:48am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 9:07am: bogarde73 wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 9:04am: I'd say his chances of being right again have noticeably improved in the last few days, wouldn't you? Lol I'll wait for the same people who say MSM polls dont count to look at improvement in Trumps poll numbers and say look at the polls, he's coming back. None of the polls have Trump in front. A few have him close(ish) and a number have him well behind. That doesnt leave a lot of hope for Trump. I agree, I was more making the point that there seems to be a lot of Trump supporters saying the polls dont mean anything until they show good news for Trump, then they are 100% believable.

Yeah, I know. Polls in australia are easier and more accurate because of compulsory voting and also the absence of large racial group differences. To be honest, the american election system is a mess because each state runs it on its own with different rules, different methods and so on. But for all its faults, it does seem to work. The idea that the election could be rigged to the level of altering the outcome of a national election is ludicrous, but Trump is a conspiracy theorists as are many of his supporters.

Weirdest election ever!

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 12:03pm:

The idea that the election could be rigged to the level of altering the outcome of a national election is ludicrous, but Trump is a conspiracy theorists as are many of his supporters. Weirdest election ever!

I seem to recall reading some thing today about they've found two cases of voter fraud already in the US, but they were Trump supporters. Seriously though you're right. It's scary. The weird thing is the system may be broken, but just because it is broken, doesnt make Trump the solution to it. People seem to be falling into that trap.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 12:07pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 12:03pm: The idea that the election could be rigged to the level of altering the outcome of a national election is ludicrous, but Trump is a conspiracy theorists as are many of his supporters. Weirdest election ever! I seem to recall reading some thing today about they've found two cases of voter fraud already in the US, but they were Trump supporters. Seriously though you're right. It's scary. The weird thing is the system may be broken, but just because it is broken, doesnt make Trump the solution to it. People seem to be falling into that trap.

Amen!  after all, the biggest and most serious problem in the USA is DIVISION. Social division and Trump is perhaps the worst possible person to do so. Someone of Obama's skills and abilities could not do it and obviously Hillary wont do it either.  Trump would pour petrol on the fire.

I cannot understand how ANYONE at all can vote for trump or support him. He is the most manifestly unqualified presidential candidate I can ever recall. He has neither the temperament not the experience for the job. And he is just such a buffoon.

Curing the american social malaise requires both parties to actually work towards that goal. The republicans have been blockers for decades now. Ironically, Trump may help the problem after all by causing a landslide defeat of republicans all round leading perhaps to a painful re-evaluation of Republican (and Democrat) politics.

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 12:38pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 12:07pm: longweekend58 wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 12:03pm: The idea that the election could be rigged to the level of altering the outcome of a national election is ludicrous, but Trump is a conspiracy theorists as are many of his supporters. Weirdest election ever! I seem to recall reading some thing today about they've found two cases of voter fraud already in the US, but they were Trump supporters. Seriously though you're right. It's scary. The weird thing is the system may be broken, but just because it is broken, doesnt make Trump the solution to it. People seem to be falling into that trap. Amen!  after all, the biggest and most serious problem in the USA is DIVISION. Social division and Trump is perhaps the worst possible person to do so. Someone of Obama's skills and abilities could not do it and obviously Hillary wont do it either.  Trump would pour petrol on the fire. I cannot understand how ANYONE at all can vote for trump or support him. He is the most manifestly unqualified presidential candidate I can ever recall. He has neither the temperament not the experience for the job. And he is just such a buffoon. Curing the american social malaise requires both parties to actually work towards that goal. The republicans have been blockers for decades now. Ironically, Trump may help the problem after all by causing a landslide defeat of republicans all round leading perhaps to a painful re-evaluation of Republican (and Democrat) politics.

Quote:

...............He has neither the temperament not the experience for the job. And he is just such a buffoon.............

He has the 'temperament' to successfully run private businesses.
Hillary has the 'temperament' to lie, cheat, slander and take bribes.

He has international experience in good negotiating.
Hillary has experience in losing.

'...... a buffoon .........' , well that is immature, subjective and personal abuse.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 12:44pm:

He has the 'temperament' to successfully run private businesses. e.

I'm not sure thats the case really is it?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 12:44pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 12:38pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 12:07pm: longweekend58 wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 12:03pm: The idea that the election could be rigged to the level of altering the outcome of a national election is ludicrous, but Trump is a conspiracy theorists as are many of his supporters. Weirdest election ever! I seem to recall reading some thing today about they've found two cases of voter fraud already in the US, but they were Trump supporters. Seriously though you're right. It's scary. The weird thing is the system may be broken, but just because it is broken, doesnt make Trump the solution to it. People seem to be falling into that trap. Amen!  after all, the biggest and most serious problem in the USA is DIVISION. Social division and Trump is perhaps the worst possible person to do so. Someone of Obama's skills and abilities could not do it and obviously Hillary wont do it either.  Trump would pour petrol on the fire. I cannot understand how ANYONE at all can vote for trump or support him. He is the most manifestly unqualified presidential candidate I can ever recall. He has neither the temperament not the experience for the job. And he is just such a buffoon. Curing the american social malaise requires both parties to actually work towards that goal. The republicans have been blockers for decades now. Ironically, Trump may help the problem after all by causing a landslide defeat of republicans all round leading perhaps to a painful re-evaluation of Republican (and Democrat) politics. Quote: ...............He has neither the temperament not the experience for the job. And he is just such a buffoon............. He has the 'temperament' to successfully run private businesses. Hillary has the 'temperament' to lie, cheat, slander and take bribes. He has international experience in good negotiating. Hillary has experience in losing. '...... a buffoon .........' , well that is immature, subjective and personal abuse.

You're not serious, right?

He has been bankrupt FOUR times. That's not a record to be proud of. He has also been taken to court 4000 times!  and a few over sexual harassment and now, one for child rape.

But my favourite is that Trump has superior international negotiation experience over... wait for it... a former Secretary of State and Senator.

Really???

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 3:10pm:

He has been bankrupt FOUR times. That's not a record to be proud of.

These bankruptcies didn't in any way mean the companies went belly up, not at all.

On all occasions Trump availed himself of the well crafted Law, he was able to stave off creditors by reducing the payments he needed to make on an expanded payment schedule........basically less $$ per month, over a longer stretch of time (court renegotiated the loans), thus saving the businesses while protecting the jobs of those that worked in those companies, & also keep those creditors from attaching the assets of his other vibrantly successful companies, which were still able to make substantial untouchable incomes.

Anyone that is aware of the processes involved in those bankruptcy cases, of which you obviously aren't one, would know that tens of thousands of business owners all across America do exactly the same to protect their companies every year, preliminarily because of the reasons I mentioned earlier. Trump should be commended, as well as any of the other business owners, should also be commended, for taking advantage of the American Bankruptcy Laws that were written specifically for their benefit, & the overall benefit of their companies future financial health. ;)

In America Bankruptcy isn't as catastrophic as it is here. Individual average Americans also claim personal bankruptcy according to generous American Bankruptcy Laws, not to avoid paying off debt, but to have the court force debt renegotiation upon lending institutions that might not be willing to do otherwise, giving the individual the ability to pay down their debts at a rate that will hopefully keep their heads above water, rather than having to take up residency on the Poor Farm at the hands of the banks. ;)

Panther wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 4:23pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 3:10pm: He has been bankrupt FOUR times. That's not a record to be proud of. These bankruptcies didn't in any way mean the companies went belly up, not at all. On all occasions Trump availed himself of the well crafted Law, he was able to stave off creditors by reducing the payments he needed to make on an expanded payment schedule........basically less $$ per month, over a longer stretch of time (court renegotiated the loans), thus saving the businesses while protecting the jobs of those that worked in those companies, & also keep those creditors from attaching the assets of his other vibrantly successful companies, which were still able to make substantial untouchable incomes. Anyone that is aware of the processes involved in those bankruptcy cases, of which you obviously aren't one, would know that tens of thousands of business owners all across America do exactly the same to protect their companies every year, preliminarily because of the reasons I mentioned earlier. Trump should be commended, as well as any of the other business owners, should also be commended, for taking advantage of the American Bankruptcy Laws that were written specifically for their benefit, & the overall benefit of their companies future financial health. ;) In America Bankruptcy isn't as catastrophic as it is here. Individual average Americans also claim personal bankruptcy according to generous American Bankruptcy Laws, not to avoid paying off debt, but to have the court force debt renegotiation upon lending institutions that might not be willing to do otherwise, giving the individual the ability to pay down their debts at a rate that will hopefully keep their heads above water, rather than having to take up residency on the Poor Farm at the hands of the banks. ;)

Panther, every time one's debt is wiped off, someone else loses money - in this case, the owners of junk bonds in Trump's casinos.

And we're talking billions - most from small investors who were sold a lemon. The banks got some back. Mom and pop went belly up.

Alan Bond and Christopher Skase did it in Australia, and Donald Trump did it in the good old US of A. The business of Amerika is business.

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

Karnal wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 4:30pm:

Panther wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 4:23pm: longweekend58 wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 3:10pm: He has been bankrupt FOUR times. That's not a record to be proud of. These bankruptcies didn't in any way mean the companies went belly up, not at all. On all occasions Trump availed himself of the well crafted Law, he was able to stave off creditors by reducing the payments he needed to make on an expanded payment schedule........basically less $$ per month, over a longer stretch of time (court renegotiated the loans), thus saving the businesses while protecting the jobs of those that worked in those companies, & also keep those creditors from attaching the assets of his other vibrantly successful companies, which were still able to make substantial untouchable incomes. Anyone that is aware of the processes involved in those bankruptcy cases, of which you obviously aren't one, would know that tens of thousands of business owners all across America do exactly the same to protect their companies every year, preliminarily because of the reasons I mentioned earlier. Trump should be commended, as well as any of the other business owners, should also be commended, for taking advantage of the American Bankruptcy Laws that were written specifically for their benefit, & the overall benefit of their companies future financial health. ;) In America Bankruptcy isn't as catastrophic as it is here. Individual average Americans also claim personal bankruptcy according to generous American Bankruptcy Laws, not to avoid paying off debt, but to have the court force debt renegotiation upon lending institutions that might not be willing to do otherwise, giving the individual the ability to pay down their debts at a rate that will hopefully keep their heads above water, rather than having to take up residency on the Poor Farm at the hands of the banks. ;) Panther, every time one's debt is wiped off, someone else loses money - in this case, the owners of junk bonds in Trump's casinos. And we're talking billions - most from small investors who were sold a lemon. The banks got some back. Mom and pop went belly up. Alan Bond and Christopher Skase did it in Australia, and Donald Trump did it in the good old US of A. The business of Amerika is business. Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

I am staggered that ANYONE supports trump. The election has been a very public exercise of how some people put politics about morality, religion and pretty much everything else. It has been both enlightening and deeply saddening.

If FBI Director Comey thought that Clinton would be elected president, do you think he would advised Congress of the reopening of investigations 10 days before the election?

TRUMP will win and it will be a landslide....

thehermit wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 5:21pm:

TRUMP will win and it will be a landslide....

True -

also Hillary & Bill will end up in jail.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 5:25pm:

thehermit wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 5:21pm: TRUMP will win and it will be a landslide.... True - also Hillary & Bill will end up in jail.

has that ever happened..?.....

I dont think anything like this has ever happened this close to an election anywhere....they need a system whereby the election can be cancelled....

as both candidates have legal things hanging over their heads.

Karnal wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 4:30pm:

Panther, every time one's debt is wiped off, someone else loses money - in this case, the owners of junk bonds in Trump's casinos. And we're talking billions - most from small investors who were sold a lemon. The banks got some back. Mom and pop went belly up.

@Karnal  Trump's debt wasn't "wiped off" in any of his bankruptcies.

The court just changed....forced his creditors to accept revised repayment particulars (the monthly payments were lowered, & the time to pay it all back was lengthened, while the interest rate was also lowered) so Trump could pay back all his debt while keeping his business above water, & protect employee jobs, the best he could, in the process.

Trump financed in many ways, usually with banks & other lending institutions.

Junk bonds, if you would dig into who manipulates those, are usually issued by others who in turn use their plunder to invest in safer undertakings.


junk bond noun  plural noun: junk bonds
a high-yielding high-risk security, typically issued by a company seeking to raise capital quickly in order to finance a takeover.




In all my reading I can't find anything that shows he issued any junk bonds as a regular practice, maybe you can provide us a link if you know he did.

In America, again if you'd investigate & read, the stock exchange is pretty much the same as our TAB, it's legalized gambling......sometimes you win, & sometimes you lose. On junk bonds, which you can invest in in hopes of big payouts/returns, most people usually lose, & when they do it's usually substantial, but those that win usually win a King's ransom.

Those that invest (bet) on the wrong stocks, usually get better/higher returns when they win, but the fact is they also are accepting higher risks.....your Mom & Pops in your 'theoretical scenario' were just investors that wanted an unusually higher return, & some of their risks didn't pan out as they hoped it seems......it's all in the roll of the dice. Time to invest wisely, & when it comes to unusually high yielding junk bonds, only invest what you are willing to lose, because you probably will.

Mom & Pops, & their little children too, are not the typical investors who invest in junk bonds.

No, Panther, the very definition of a bankruptcy is when you can't repay your debts.

This is all on the record. Trump lost the casinos, but kept his shirt. He even sells this as one of his great negotiations, the "art of the deal".

Problem is, on the other side, Trump lost the shirts of thousands of small investors who invested in the "Trump brand". Some lost everything. Trump prevailed. He kept his other businesses and his inheritance.

Perhaps he'll use the same formula to make Amerika great again, eh?

Karnal wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 7:24pm:

No, Panther, the very definition of a bankruptcy is when you can't repay your debts. This is all on the record. Trump lost the casinos, but kept his shirt. He even sells this as one of his great negotiations, the "art of the deal". Problem is, on the other side, Trump lost the shirts of thousands of small investors who invested in the "Trump brand". Some lost everything. Trump prevailed. He kept his other businesses and his inheritance. Perhaps he'll use the same formula to make Amerika great again, eh?

Wrong.......absolutely, completely, & totally.......you seriously need to get out.....if you insist on staying home, at least read.....otherwise there is no hope for you increasing your awareness of the real world, & not the imaginary world of Karnal. http://www.33sm.ml/smileys/hitqt9.gif http://www.33sm.ml/smileys/skrewball004.gif


➤ ➤ ➤ ➤ This is mandatory reading on your part......once read, then read again, then rescind correct your incorrect interpretation above.

This is the Chapter/Type of Bankruptcy that Donald Trump utilized/filed for:

Chapter 11 Bankruptcy

Trump's junk bonds were written off, Panther.

Karnal wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 7:57pm:

Trump's junk bonds were written off, Panther.

Your Link that provides corroboration/your documentary evidence (as in the courts settlement agreement for his application for relief)?   BTW....were drifting off topic, so our discussion needs to be wrapped up.....if you wish to continue on this line, create a new thread on the subject.

Panther wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 8:09pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 7:57pm: Trump's junk bonds were written off, Panther. Your Link that provides corroboration/your documentary evidence?

I'm not playing, Panther. Trump lost 3 casinos, an airline and his luxury yacht. It was the 80s, it was all on credit. The junk bond holders paid.

You know this, everybody does. Stop pretending.

Karnal wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 8:15pm:

Panther wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 8:09pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 7:57pm: Trump's junk bonds were written off, Panther. Your Link that provides corroboration/your documentary evidence? I'm not playing, Panther. Trump lost 3 casinos, an airline and his luxury yacht. It was the 80s, it was all on credit. The junk bond holders paid. You know this, everybody does. Stop pretending.

Wrong........Educate yourself & force yourself to read (comprehensively).......enjoy ;)


 

 POLITIFACT.....Trump's Bankruptcy's
If I wished I could explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you......

Panther wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 8:32pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 8:15pm: Panther wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 8:09pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 7:57pm: Trump's junk bonds were written off, Panther. Your Link that provides corroboration/your documentary evidence? I'm not playing, Panther. Trump lost 3 casinos, an airline and his luxury yacht. It was the 80s, it was all on credit. The junk bond holders paid. You know this, everybody does. Stop pretending. Wrong........Educate yourself & force yourself to read (comprehensively).......enjoy ;)    POLITIFACT.....Trump's Bankruptcy's If I wished I could explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you......

Have you read your link?

Oh, look. You've gone.

cods wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 5:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 5:25pm: thehermit wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 5:21pm: TRUMP will win and it will be a landslide.... True - also Hillary & Bill will end up in jail. has that ever happened..?..... I dont think anything like this has ever happened this close to an election anywhere....they need a system whereby the election can be cancelled.... as both candidates have legal things hanging over their heads.

They are both crooks.

Karnal wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 8:15pm:

I'm not playing, Panther. Trump lost 3 casinos, an airline and his luxury yacht. It was the 80s, it was all on credit. The junk bond holders paid.

Smart fellow.

Just the sort of mover-and-shaker the White House needs in the Oval Office. A risk-taking Alpha-male who covers his ass with other people's money.

His misdeeds are mere peccadilloes compared to what's brewing for Hillary. 

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2016 at 8:30am:

Karnal wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 8:15pm: I'm not playing, Panther. Trump lost 3 casinos, an airline and his luxury yacht. It was the 80s, it was all on credit. The junk bond holders paid.  Smart fellow. Just the sort of mover-and-shaker the White House needs in the Oval Office.

Who for, Herbie? Himself?

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 12:38pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 12:07pm: longweekend58 wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 12:03pm: The idea that the election could be rigged to the level of altering the outcome of a national election is ludicrous, but Trump is a conspiracy theorists as are many of his supporters. Weirdest election ever! I seem to recall reading some thing today about they've found two cases of voter fraud already in the US, but they were Trump supporters. Seriously though you're right. It's scary. The weird thing is the system may be broken, but just because it is broken, doesnt make Trump the solution to it. People seem to be falling into that trap. Amen!  after all, the biggest and most serious problem in the USA is DIVISION. Social division and Trump is perhaps the worst possible person to do so. Someone of Obama's skills and abilities could not do it and obviously Hillary wont do it either.  Trump would pour petrol on the fire. I cannot understand how ANYONE at all can vote for trump or support him. He is the most manifestly unqualified presidential candidate I can ever recall. He has neither the temperament not the experience for the job. And he is just such a buffoon. Curing the american social malaise requires both parties to actually work towards that goal. The republicans have been blockers for decades now. Ironically, Trump may help the problem after all by causing a landslide defeat of republicans all round leading perhaps to a painful re-evaluation of Republican (and Democrat) politics.

Post of the day.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2016 at 9:04am:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 12:38pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 12:07pm: longweekend58 wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 12:03pm: The idea that the election could be rigged to the level of altering the outcome of a national election is ludicrous, but Trump is a conspiracy theorists as are many of his supporters. Weirdest election ever! I seem to recall reading some thing today about they've found two cases of voter fraud already in the US, but they were Trump supporters. Seriously though you're right. It's scary. The weird thing is the system may be broken, but just because it is broken, doesnt make Trump the solution to it. People seem to be falling into that trap. Amen!  after all, the biggest and most serious problem in the USA is DIVISION. Social division and Trump is perhaps the worst possible person to do so. Someone of Obama's skills and abilities could not do it and obviously Hillary wont do it either.  Trump would pour petrol on the fire. I cannot understand how ANYONE at all can vote for trump or support him. He is the most manifestly unqualified presidential candidate I can ever recall. He has neither the temperament not the experience for the job. And he is just such a buffoon. Curing the american social malaise requires both parties to actually work towards that goal. The republicans have been blockers for decades now. Ironically, Trump may help the problem after all by causing a landslide defeat of republicans all round leading perhaps to a painful re-evaluation of Republican (and Democrat) politics. Post of the day.

He's that good.

Karnal wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2016 at 8:32am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 8:30am: Karnal wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 8:15pm: I'm not playing, Panther. Trump lost 3 casinos, an airline and his luxury yacht. It was the 80s, it was all on credit. The junk bond holders paid.  Smart fellow. Just the sort of mover-and-shaker the White House needs in the Oval Office. Who for, Herbie? Himself?

The Presidency is not an autocracy.

There are any number of checks-and-balances before action is sanctioned by various committees and bureaucracies.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2016 at 12:13pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 8:32am: Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 8:30am: Karnal wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 8:15pm: I'm not playing, Panther. Trump lost 3 casinos, an airline and his luxury yacht. It was the 80s, it was all on credit. The junk bond holders paid.  Smart fellow. Just the sort of mover-and-shaker the White House needs in the Oval Office. Who for, Herbie? Himself? The Presidency is not an autocracy. There are any number of checks-and-balances before action is sanctioned by various committees and bureaucracies.

Indeed.

And if Trump ever became POTUS (it's never gonna happen), these would be the first checks and balances put to him:

http://irish684.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/SUASD.jpg

He would achieve nothing.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2016 at 12:59pm:

He would achieve nothing.

As will Hillary.

The US is effectively a one-party state - the repugs and the dems are merely two factions of the one party. In fact there is a bigger ideological divide within the republican party than there is between repugs and dems. You only need to look at the way establishment repugs are clambering over to the dems after Trump became their candidate. They prefer Hillary because she is Mrs establishment - establishment meaning the ruling elite that rule America - by and for big business. Yet even if Trump wins it won't be a big deal. He'll end up playing the establishment role just like every other President. In any case, they've never been able to do much anyway - outside starting wars. And that will probably be the key difference between a Clinton and Trump Presidency - we'll likely see more wars under Hillary.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2016 at 1:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 12:59pm: He would achieve nothing. As will Hillary.

Indeed.

She'll spend the next four years fighting off frivolous litigation from Trump.

Far Left Social-Marxist Marla from Colorada voted for Trump.

That's got to be a harbinger of Things to Come on the 8th.

She was so desperate to keep Hillary out of the Oval Office that she voted two weeks early.

The lesser of two evils is Trump.

Trump only obeys the Voices in his Pants - but Hillary obeys the Voices in her Head, which as President would be a lot more dangerous than Trump molesting the White House interns.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2016 at 1:51pm:

The lesser of two evils is Trump. Trump only obeys the Voices in his Pants -

Yes, two voices.

The voice from his wallet, and the voice from his shriveled orange member.

http://www.supercoupongirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/small-carrot-600x450.jpg

He's the greater of two evils, though.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2016 at 1:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 12:59pm: He would achieve nothing. As will Hillary. The US is effectively a one-party state - the repugs and the dems are merely two factions of the one party. In fact there is a bigger ideological divide within the republican party than there is between repugs and dems. You only need to look at the way establishment repugs are clambering over to the dems after Trump became their candidate. They prefer Hillary because she is Mrs establishment - establishment meaning the ruling elite that rule America - by and for big business. Yet even if Trump wins it won't be a big deal. He'll end up playing the establishment role just like every other President. In any case, they've never been able to do much anyway - outside starting wars. And that will probably be the key difference between a Clinton and Trump Presidency - we'll likely see more wars under Hillary.

But of course. Just look at how the first black president, originally the "hope" candidate, has been restrained by the system.

US intervention in foreign countries, using drones - escalated.
Guantanamo Bay - maintained. 
US foreign surveillance and spying on friendly heads of state - exposed.
Universal health care - compromised.
The appointment of Supreme Court judges - prevented.

And when every policy or appointment is blocked in congress, it's the president's fault for being weak. 

If the Republicans get a majority in either house, watch them go for Hillary. They will reject all her policies simply because of who's proposing them. They'll play hard-ball with Supply, ultimately screwing government workers, just as they did in Obama's first term. They'll oppose everything they can because, in their words, the election of Hillary will be illegitimate.

Republican tactics have become more extreme and less in the interest of American citizens as they've welded themselves onto their lobbyists and corporate donors. In doing so, the business of government has been seriously compromised. Food safety standards, universal health care, environmental protection, a living minimum wage - all have been neutralized in the interests of the lobbyists.

Politicians slide between the corporate and public sectors. Running for office is now a big business career move. Do what you're told in the senate or congress and be rewarded with a multi-million dollar CEO or corporate-consultancy job.

Public service - working for the people who voted for you - is no longer an end in itself. Through the untendered contracts, the appointment of corporate lobbyists as the heads of public boards, and private industry representatives writing actual laws, US governance has been effectively outsourced.

The system is rigged, not because of any actual corruption or illegality, but because corporate Amerika pays its politicians to get elected and pays them off with lucrative jobs when they decide to retire. In the last administration, Cheney, Rumsfeld and even Bush himself, went seamlessly from the corporate sector into government and back to the corporate sector again.

Trump knows the process well - he used to pay Hillary. He's given millions to politicians, a tactic he learned from his father. As Trump pointed out in a debate during the primaries, he'd given to every politician on the stage.

The business of Amerika is business. Unravelling this process will be next to impossible, but putting Trump in to do it is like putting the wolf in charge of the sheep. Obama was too much of an outsider to make any progress, and Hillary is too much of an insider to want to. But Trump, who still runs a business, and pays no taxes, and has a bigger conflict of interest than anyone who's stood for office to date, is already part of the system.

Voting for Trump to shake things up and make Amerika great again is the most ludicrous proposal ever made in a US election.

The strangest thing of all, of course, is that people actually buy it.

Karnal wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2016 at 2:37pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 1:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 12:59pm: He would achieve nothing. As will Hillary. The US is effectively a one-party state - the repugs and the dems are merely two factions of the one party. In fact there is a bigger ideological divide within the republican party than there is between repugs and dems. You only need to look at the way establishment repugs are clambering over to the dems after Trump became their candidate. They prefer Hillary because she is Mrs establishment - establishment meaning the ruling elite that rule America - by and for big business. Yet even if Trump wins it won't be a big deal. He'll end up playing the establishment role just like every other President. In any case, they've never been able to do much anyway - outside starting wars. And that will probably be the key difference between a Clinton and Trump Presidency - we'll likely see more wars under Hillary. But of course. Just look at how the first black president, originally the "hope" candidate, has been restrained by the system. US intervention in foreign countries, using drones - escalated. Guantanamo Bay - maintained.  US foreign surveillance and spying on friendly heads of state - exposed. Universal health care - compromised. The appointment of Supreme Court judges - prevented. And when every policy or appointment is blocked in congress, it's the president's fault for being weak.  If the Republicans get a majority in either house, watch them go for Hillary. They will reject all her policies simply because of who's proposing them. They'll play hard-ball with Supply, ultimately screwing government workers, just as they did in Obama's first term. They'll oppose everything they can because, in their words, the election of Hillary will be illegitimate. Republican tactics have become more extreme and less in the interest of American citizens as they've welded themselves onto their lobbyists and corporate donors. In doing so, the business of government has been seriously compromised. Food safety standards, universal health care, environmental protection, a living minimum wage - all have been neutralized in the interests of the lobbyists. Politicians slide between the corporate and public sectors. Running for office is now a big business career move. Do what you're told in the senate or congress and be rewarded with a multi-million dollar CEO or corporate-consultancy job. Public service - working for the people who voted for you - is no longer an end in itself. Through the untendered contracts, the appointment of corporate lobbyists as the heads of public boards, and private industry representatives writing actual laws, US governance has been effectively outsourced. The system is rigged, not because of any actual corruption or illegality, but because corporate Amerika pays its politicians to get elected and pays them off with lucrative jobs when they decide to retire. In the last administration, Cheney, Rumsfeld and even Bush himself, went seamlessly from the corporate sector into government and back to the corporate sector again. Trump knows the process well - he used to pay Hillary. He's given millions to politicians, a tactic he learned from his father. As Trump pointed out in a debate during the primaries, he'd given to every politician on the stage. The business of Amerika is business. Unravelling this process will be next to impossible, but putting Trump in to do it is like putting the wolf in charge of the sheep. Obama was too much of an outsider to make any progress, and Hillary is too much of an insider to want to. But Trump, who still runs a business, and pays no taxes, and has a bigger conflict of interest than anyone who's stood for office to date, is already part of the system. Voting for Trump to shake things up and make Amerika great again is the most ludicrous proposal ever made in a US election. The strangest thing of all, of course, is that people actually buy it.

Excellent post.

Karnal wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2016 at 2:37pm:

They'll play hard-ball with Supply, ultimately screwing government workers, just as they did in Obama's first term.

And as they did during Bill Clinton's Presidency.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2016 at 4:49pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 2:37pm: They'll play hard-ball with Supply, ultimately screwing government workers, just as they did in Obama's first term. And as they did during Bill Clinton's Presidency.

Something tells me they don't really want to make Amerika great again. And if your politicians don't want this, what to do?

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

Waffle.



Again, it's back to the lesser of two evils. In political terms Hillary is far less a clean-skin than Trump with her having years more experience of milking the system for hers and Bill's own personal benefit.

Just the fact that Trump isn't a rusted-on Old Boy career politician should be enough for America to give him a chance for at least a paltry four years.

mothra wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2016 at 3:16pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 2:37pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 1:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 12:59pm: He would achieve nothing. As will Hillary. The US is effectively a one-party state - the repugs and the dems are merely two factions of the one party. In fact there is a bigger ideological divide within the republican party than there is between repugs and dems. You only need to look at the way establishment repugs are clambering over to the dems after Trump became their candidate. They prefer Hillary because she is Mrs establishment - establishment meaning the ruling elite that rule America - by and for big business. Yet even if Trump wins it won't be a big deal. He'll end up playing the establishment role just like every other President. In any case, they've never been able to do much anyway - outside starting wars. And that will probably be the key difference between a Clinton and Trump Presidency - we'll likely see more wars under Hillary. But of course. Just look at how the first black president, originally the "hope" candidate, has been restrained by the system. US intervention in foreign countries, using drones - escalated. Guantanamo Bay - maintained.  US foreign surveillance and spying on friendly heads of state - exposed. Universal health care - compromised. The appointment of Supreme Court judges - prevented. And when every policy or appointment is blocked in congress, it's the president's fault for being weak.  If the Republicans get a majority in either house, watch them go for Hillary. They will reject all her policies simply because of who's proposing them. They'll play hard-ball with Supply, ultimately screwing government workers, just as they did in Obama's first term. They'll oppose everything they can because, in their words, the election of Hillary will be illegitimate. Republican tactics have become more extreme and less in the interest of American citizens as they've welded themselves onto their lobbyists and corporate donors. In doing so, the business of government has been seriously compromised. Food safety standards, universal health care, environmental protection, a living minimum wage - all have been neutralized in the interests of the lobbyists. Politicians slide between the corporate and public sectors. Running for office is now a big business career move. Do what you're told in the senate or congress and be rewarded with a multi-million dollar CEO or corporate-consultancy job. Public service - working for the people who voted for you - is no longer an end in itself. Through the untendered contracts, the appointment of corporate lobbyists as the heads of public boards, and private industry representatives writing actual laws, US governance has been effectively outsourced. The system is rigged, not because of any actual corruption or illegality, but because corporate Amerika pays its politicians to get elected and pays them off with lucrative jobs when they decide to retire. In the last administration, Cheney, Rumsfeld and even Bush himself, went seamlessly from the corporate sector into government and back to the corporate sector again. Trump knows the process well - he used to pay Hillary. He's given millions to politicians, a tactic he learned from his father. As Trump pointed out in a debate during the primaries, he'd given to every politician on the stage. The business of Amerika is business. Unravelling this process will be next to impossible, but putting Trump in to do it is like putting the wolf in charge of the sheep. Obama was too much of an outsider to make any progress, and Hillary is too much of an insider to want to. But Trump, who still runs a business, and pays no taxes, and has a bigger conflict of interest than anyone who's stood for office to date, is already part of the system. Voting for Trump to shake things up and make Amerika great again is the most ludicrous proposal ever made in a US election. The strangest thing of all, of course, is that people actually buy it. Excellent post.

Indeed.

Hits every nail on the head.

Unlike Obama, Hillary is not a committed ideologue: There is no policy end she desires, there is only an urge to power, with policy and platforms as a discreet veiling of that urge. Her tin-eared phrase for the rest of you losers - "everyday Americans" - underlines the distance between the rulers and the ruled. Her replacement slogan - "Stronger Together" - translates to "Get with the program", but the program is mere set-dressing. Trump is demonized as a Caesar - the strong man as embodiment of the state - but in fact his rise was driven by highly specific policies: build the wall, end mass Muslim immigration, make health insurance purchasable across state lines. Trump is inviting you to vote for something; Clinton to vote for someone: With Hillary, power and authority are all, and public policy is simply collateral damage. A Clintonian restoration, born of politically-derailed criminal investigation, industrial-scale charities fraud and a foreign policy for sale to dictators, would see a massive acceleration of the already appalling and debilitating levels of political corruption in America - because there is nothing else.

Nigel Farage has never held high office: he will never be Prime Minister, Foreign Secretary, Chancellor of the Exchequer or anything else. But he has accomplished more than anybody who has held those offices in the last quarter-century. Twenty years ago, he set out to reverse the principal thrust of post-war British policy (foreign and domestic) - and he did. Whether you agree with it or not, that's an accomplishment; that's a reason to go into politics.

The Clintons? Hillary got rich, Bill got laid, republican virtue got screwed. Like the sickly leaders of late-Soviet politburos, both appear older and feebler than their years: once the star performer of the double-act, Bill staggers around like the Blowjob of Dorian Gray; the life has all but literally been sucked out of him. His straight-woman, once the reliably stolid, stone-faced Margaret Dumont of his cigar-waggling routine, now has to be propped up on street bollards and fed lines by her medical staff. When she shuts down and she's out cold, who's driving the pantsuit? Huma? Cheryl? Podesta? Bill and Hillary have been consumed by their urges. America would be electing the Walking Dead, insatiable and fatal to the touch, but utterly hollow.

Steyn

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

I am a chartist of some 20 years experience.

Hillarys chart has a downward trend.
It show lower tops.

Trumps chart has an upward trend.
It show higher bottoms.

Meaning, Trump will win.
Quite likely in an eruption.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2016 at 7:15pm:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html I am a chartist of some 20 years experience. Hillarys chart has a downward trend. It show lower tops. Trumps chart has an upward trend. It show higher bottoms. Meaning, Trump will win. Quite likely in an eruption.

Wanna bet?

Frank wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2016 at 6:57pm:

Unlike Obama, Hillary is not a committed ideologue: There is no policy end she desires, there is only an urge to power, with policy and platforms as a discreet veiling of that urge. Her tin-eared phrase for the rest of you losers - "everyday Americans" - underlines the distance between the rulers and the ruled. Her replacement slogan - "Stronger Together" - translates to "Get with the program", but the program is mere set-dressing. Trump is demonized as a Caesar - the strong man as embodiment of the state - but in fact his rise was driven by highly specific policies: build the wall, end mass Muslim immigration, make health insurance purchasable across state lines. Trump is inviting you to vote for something; Clinton to vote for someone: With Hillary, power and authority are all, and public policy is simply collateral damage. A Clintonian restoration, born of politically-derailed criminal investigation, industrial-scale charities fraud and a foreign policy for sale to dictators, would see a massive acceleration of the already appalling and debilitating levels of political corruption in America - because there is nothing else. Nigel Farage has never held high office: he will never be Prime Minister, Foreign Secretary, Chancellor of the Exchequer or anything else. But he has accomplished more than anybody who has held those offices in the last quarter-century. Twenty years ago, he set out to reverse the principal thrust of post-war British policy (foreign and domestic) - and he did. Whether you agree with it or not, that's an accomplishment; that's a reason to go into politics. The Clintons? Hillary got rich, Bill got laid, republican virtue got screwed. Like the sickly leaders of late-Soviet politburos, both appear older and feebler than their years: once the star performer of the double-act, Bill staggers around like the Blowjob of Dorian Gray; the life has all but literally been sucked out of him. His straight-woman, once the reliably stolid, stone-faced Margaret Dumont of his cigar-waggling routine, now has to be propped up on street bollards and fed lines by her medical staff. When she shuts down and she's out cold, who's driving the pantsuit? Huma? Cheryl? Podesta? Bill and Hillary have been consumed by their urges. America would be electing the Walking Dead, insatiable and fatal to the touch, but utterly hollow. Steyn

Excellent post.

Hits every nail on the head.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2016 at 8:00pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 6:57pm: Unlike Obama, Hillary is not a committed ideologue: There is no policy end she desires, there is only an urge to power, with policy and platforms as a discreet veiling of that urge. Her tin-eared phrase for the rest of you losers - "everyday Americans" - underlines the distance between the rulers and the ruled. Her replacement slogan - "Stronger Together" - translates to "Get with the program", but the program is mere set-dressing. Trump is demonized as a Caesar - the strong man as embodiment of the state - but in fact his rise was driven by highly specific policies: build the wall, end mass Muslim immigration, make health insurance purchasable across state lines. Trump is inviting you to vote for something; Clinton to vote for someone: With Hillary, power and authority are all, and public policy is simply collateral damage. A Clintonian restoration, born of politically-derailed criminal investigation, industrial-scale charities fraud and a foreign policy for sale to dictators, would see a massive acceleration of the already appalling and debilitating levels of political corruption in America - because there is nothing else. Nigel Farage has never held high office: he will never be Prime Minister, Foreign Secretary, Chancellor of the Exchequer or anything else. But he has accomplished more than anybody who has held those offices in the last quarter-century. Twenty years ago, he set out to reverse the principal thrust of post-war British policy (foreign and domestic) - and he did. Whether you agree with it or not, that's an accomplishment; that's a reason to go into politics. The Clintons? Hillary got rich, Bill got laid, republican virtue got screwed. Like the sickly leaders of late-Soviet politburos, both appear older and feebler than their years: once the star performer of the double-act, Bill staggers around like the Blowjob of Dorian Gray; the life has all but literally been sucked out of him. His straight-woman, once the reliably stolid, stone-faced Margaret Dumont of his cigar-waggling routine, now has to be propped up on street bollards and fed lines by her medical staff. When she shuts down and she's out cold, who's driving the pantsuit? Huma? Cheryl? Podesta? Bill and Hillary have been consumed by their urges. America would be electing the Walking Dead, insatiable and fatal to the touch, but utterly hollow. Steyn Excellent post. Hits every nail on the head.

Completely irrelevant, though (much like you).

Nobody here supports Clinton.

You guys are basically arguing with yourselves.

The bottom line is, Hillary will win the election.

That doesn't, however, mean anyone here likes her.

It's just what's gonna happen.

Get used to it, dust-farter, because Trump is headed for the scrap heap.