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Message started by it_is_the_light on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 4:57pm

Title: What came first, the chicken or the egg ?
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 4:57pm
many blessings ..

One group of animal essence spirit beings

made the physical bodies of the chickens ancestors ,

which laid eggs and eventually evolved into the chickens we have today, and so

spirit made the body and the body laid the egg

truths continue to be revealed

in love and light

namaste

- : ) =

Title: Re: What came first, the chicken or the egg ?
Post by Yadda on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 5:19pm



Spirit beings being real [inhabiting a 'spiritual realm'], what is 'SPIRIT' ?

And where did God [another spirit being] 'come from' ?

What is our God creators' origin ?




Too much.  !!

There is a lot we simply cannot know, it would seem.




Title: Re: What came first, the chicken or the egg ?
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 5:21pm
and as such there are differing expressions of spirit energy

animal energy and hu-man aka god man energy

the same energy that is reading this humble message through your wonderful physical eyes *

as this connection is now manifest

though love and light

namaste

- : ) =



Title: Re: What came first, the chicken or the egg ?
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 5:22pm

Yadda wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 5:19pm:
Spirit beings being real [inhabiting a 'spiritual realm'], what is 'SPIRIT' ?

And where did God [another spirit being] 'come from' ?

What is our God creators' origin ?




Too much.  !!

There is a lot we simply cannot know, it would seem.


many blessings ,

of and in due course beloved yadda

you may speak for yourself yes

and so be it

namaste

Title: Re: What came first, the chicken or the egg ?
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 5:38pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 4:57pm:
many blessings ..

One group of animal essence spirit beings

made the physical bodies of the chickens ancestors ,

which laid eggs and eventually evolved into the chickens we have today, and so

spirit made the body and the body laid the egg

truths continue to be revealed

in love and light

namaste

- : ) =


and so suppose the egg came first ..



what is the egg programmed to replicate ?

is the egg programmed to manifest into a body ?

well no because there must be a body first so the egg can replicate, and as such this fact further solidifies

the body came first and that was created by spirit ..

these are divine truths being absorbed by your being now

as you are most welcomed to



in love and light

namaste

- : ) =

Title: Re: What came first, the chicken or the egg ?
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 8:17pm
lets research ,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-replication

Self-replication

Self-replication is any behavior of a dynamical system that yields construction of an identical copy of itself. Biological cells, given suitable environments, reproduce by cell division. During cell division, DNA is replicated and can be transmitted to offspring during reproduction. Biological viruses can replicate, but only by commandeering the reproductive machinery of cells through a process of infection. Harmful prion proteins can replicate by converting normal proteins into rogue forms.[1] Computer viruses reproduce using the hardware and software already present on computers. Self-replication in robotics has been an area of research and a subject of interest in science fiction. Any self-replicating mechanism which does not make a perfect copy will experience genetic variation and will create variants of itself. These variants will be subject to natural selection, since some will be better at surviving in their current environment than others and will out-breed them.

Overview[edit]
Theory[edit]
See also: Von Neumann universal constructor
Early research by John von Neumann[2] established that replicators have several parts:

A coded representation of the replicator
A mechanism to copy the coded representation
A mechanism for affecting construction within the host environment of the replicator
Exceptions to this pattern are possible. For example, scientists have successfully constructed RNA that copies itself in an "environment" that is a solution of RNA monomers and transcriptase. In this case, the body is the genome, and the specialized copy mechanisms are external.

However, the simplest possible case is that only a genome exists. Without some specification of the self-reproducing steps, a genome-only system is probably better characterized as something like a crystal.

Classes of self-replication[edit]
Recent research[3] has begun to categorize replicators, often based on the amount of support they require.

Natural replicators have all or most of their design from nonhuman sources. Such systems include natural life forms.
Autotrophic replicators can reproduce themselves "in the wild". They mine their own materials. It is conjectured that non-biological autotrophic replicators could be designed by humans, and could easily accept specifications for human products.
Self-reproductive systems are conjectured systems which would produce copies of themselves from industrial feedstocks such as metal bar and wire.
Self-assembling systems assemble copies of themselves from finished, delivered parts. Simple examples of such systems have been demonstrated at the macro scale.
The design space for machine replicators is very broad. A comprehensive study[4] to date by Robert Freitas and Ralph Merkle has identified 137 design dimensions grouped into a dozen separate categories, including: (1) Replication Control, (2) Replication Information, (3) Replication Substrate, (4) Replicator Structure, (5) Passive Parts, (6) Active Subunits, (7) Replicator Energetics, (8) Replicator Kinematics, (9) Replication Process, (10) Replicator Performance, (11) Product Structure, and (12) Evolvability.

A self-replicating computer program[edit]
Main article: Quine (computing)
In computer science a self-reproducing computer program is a computer program that, when executed, outputs its own code. This is also called a quine. Here is an example program in the Python programming language:

a='a=%r;print a%%a';print a%a
A more trivial approach is to write a program that will make a copy of any stream of data that it is directed to, and then direct it at itself. In this case the program is treated as both executable code, and as data to be manipulated.

This approach is common in most self-replicating systems, including biological life, and is simpler in that it does not require the program to contain a complete description of itself.

In many programming languages an empty program is still a legal program, which executes without producing errors or any other output. The output is thus the same as the source code, so the program is trivially self-reproducing.

Self-replicating tiling[edit]
See also: Self-similarity
In geometry a self-replicating tiling is a tiling pattern in which several congruent tiles may be joined together to form a larger tile that is similar to the original. This is an aspect of the field of study known as tessellation. The "sphinx" hexiamond is the only known self-replicating pentagon.[5] For example, four such concave pentagons can be joined together to make one with twice the dimensions.[6] Solomon W. Golomb coined the term rep-tiles for self-replicating tilings.

In 2012, Lee Sallows identified rep-tiles as a special instance of a self-tiling tile set or setiset. A setiset of order n is a set of n shapes that can be assembled in n different ways so as to form larger replicas of themselves. Setisets in which every shape is distinct are called 'perfect'. A rep-n rep-tile is just a setiset composed of n identical pieces.

Title: Re: What came first, the chicken or the egg ?
Post by John Smith on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 8:27pm
What came first, the chicken or the egg

Colonel sanders ... every chicken or egg to get in his way has come off second best. :D :D

Title: Re: What came first, the chicken or the egg ?
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 4th, 2016 at 12:27am
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1294341/Chicken-really-DID-come-egg-say-scientists.html

They've cracked it at last! The chicken DID come before the egg



It has been the ultimate philosophical and scientific mystery for centuries - until now, that is.
Scientists yesterday claimed to have cracked the riddle of whether the chicken or the egg came first.
The answer, they say, is the chicken. Researchers found that the formation of egg shells relies on a protein found only in a chicken's ovaries.




Scientists have discovered that eggs can only have been laid by chickens, thus solving the puzzle
Therefore, an egg can exist only if it has been inside a chicken.
The protein - called ovocledidin-17, or OC-17 - acts as a catalyst to speed up the development of the shell.
This hard shell is essential to house the yolk and its protective fluids while the chick develops inside.
Scientists from Sheffield and Warwick universities used a super computer to 'zoom in' on the formation of an egg.
The computer, called HECToR and based in Edinburgh, revealed that OC-17 is crucial in kick-starting crystallisation - the early stages of the creation of a shell.
The protein coverts calcium carbonate into calcite crystals which make up the shell.
Calcite crystals are found in numerous bones and shells but chickens form them quicker than any other species - creating six grams (0.2oz) of shell every 24 hours.
Dr Colin Freeman, from Sheffield University's Department of Engineering Materials, said: 'It had long been suspected that the egg came first but now we have the scientific proof that shows that in fact the chicken came first.
'The protein had been identified before and it was linked to egg formation but by examining it closely we have been able to see how it controls the process.
'It's very interesting to find that different types of avian species seem to have a variation of the protein that does the same job.'
Professor John Harding, from the same department, said the discovery could have other uses.
'Understanding how chickens make egg shells is fascinating in itself but can also give clues towards designing new materials and processes,' he said.
'Nature has found innovative solutions that work for all kinds of problems in materials science and technology - we can learn a lot from them.'
The discovery was revealed in the paper Structural Control Of Crystal Nuclei By An Eggshell Protein.



Title: Re: What came first, the chicken or the egg ?
Post by Raven on Dec 4th, 2016 at 4:55am
The egg came first

Title: Re: What came first, the chicken or the egg ?
Post by Lord Herbert on Dec 4th, 2016 at 5:02am
The Real answer: Neither came first.

There wasn't a lightening strike and a clap of thunder and suddenly a fully-formed chicken was standing there - or an egg.

Title: Re: What came first, the chicken or the egg ?
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 4th, 2016 at 7:00am

Raven wrote on Dec 4th, 2016 at 4:55am:
The egg came first


how could this be ..

how did the egg know to produce blood vessels heart lungs choocken feet and beak ?

and so no , you are mistaken .

even in the face of your overwhelming evidence

namaste

- : ) =

Title: Re: What came first, the chicken or the egg ?
Post by miketrees on Dec 4th, 2016 at 3:05pm


Yes the egg came first, it may have been produced  by a lizard

Title: Re: What came first, the chicken or the egg ?
Post by Raven on Dec 6th, 2016 at 1:32pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 4th, 2016 at 7:00am:

Raven wrote on Dec 4th, 2016 at 4:55am:
The egg came first


how could this be ..

how did the egg know to produce blood vessels heart lungs choocken feet and beak ?

and so no , you are mistaken .

even in the face of your overwhelming evidence

namaste

- : ) =


A long time ago there was a chicken-like bird, a proto-chicken if you will. Genetically close to a chicken but not a chicken.

This proto-chicken laid an egg that a proto-rooster had fertilised. When these two genes fused  they combined in a new way, creating a mutation that accidentally made the baby different from its parents. Although it would take millennia for the difference to be noticed, that egg was different enough to become the official progenitor of a new species, now known as the chicken.

So in a nutshell (or an eggshell) the egg came first.

The question you should be asking is what came first, the proto-chicken or the proto-chicken egg?

Title: Re: What came first, the chicken or the egg ?
Post by Unforgiven on Dec 6th, 2016 at 1:42pm
What came first? The penis or the vagina?

According to the bible it was the penis which remained idle for some time.

Title: Re: What came first, the chicken or the egg ?
Post by miketrees on Dec 6th, 2016 at 8:15pm


According to the bible it was the penis which remained idle for some time.


Until you started posting utter nonsense on this forum.


Title: Re: What came first, the chicken or the egg ?
Post by Raven on Dec 6th, 2016 at 10:30pm

Unforgiven wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 1:42pm:
What came first? The penis or the vagina?

According to the bible it was the penis which remained idle for some time.


Do you think Eve ever counted Adam's ribs in case god made Adam a side chick or two?

Title: Re: What came first, the chicken or the egg ?
Post by Unforgiven on Dec 7th, 2016 at 12:56am

miketrees wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 8:15pm:
According to the bible it was the penis which remained idle for some time.

Until you started posting utter nonsense on this forum.


MikeTrees is presenting a case for the anus.

Title: Re: What came first, the chicken or the egg ?
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 7th, 2016 at 3:53am

Raven wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 1:32pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 4th, 2016 at 7:00am:

Raven wrote on Dec 4th, 2016 at 4:55am:
The egg came first


how could this be ..

how did the egg know to produce blood vessels heart lungs choocken feet and beak ?

and so no , you are mistaken .

even in the face of your overwhelming evidence

namaste

- : ) =


A long time ago there was a chicken-like bird, a proto-chicken if you will. Genetically close to a chicken but not a chicken.

This proto-chicken laid an egg that a proto-rooster had fertilised. When these two genes fused  they combined in a new way, creating a mutation that accidentally made the baby different from its parents. Although it would take millennia for the difference to be noticed, that egg was different enough to become the official progenitor of a new species, now known as the chicken.

So in a nutshell (or an eggshell) the egg came first.

The question you should be asking is what came first, the proto-chicken or the proto-chicken egg?


illogical semantics .

stay focused ...

how did the egg get programmed into creating the body of the chickens' ancestor ?

im interested in your logic

namaste

Title: Re: What came first, the chicken or the egg ?
Post by Raven on Dec 7th, 2016 at 5:03pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 3:53am:

Raven wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 1:32pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 4th, 2016 at 7:00am:

Raven wrote on Dec 4th, 2016 at 4:55am:
The egg came first


how could this be ..

how did the egg know to produce blood vessels heart lungs choocken feet and beak ?

and so no , you are mistaken .

even in the face of your overwhelming evidence

namaste

- : ) =


A long time ago there was a chicken-like bird, a proto-chicken if you will. Genetically close to a chicken but not a chicken.

This proto-chicken laid an egg that a proto-rooster had fertilised. When these two genes fused  they combined in a new way, creating a mutation that accidentally made the baby different from its parents. Although it would take millennia for the difference to be noticed, that egg was different enough to become the official progenitor of a new species, now known as the chicken.

So in a nutshell (or an eggshell) the egg came first.

The question you should be asking is what came first, the proto-chicken or the proto-chicken egg?


illogical semantics .

stay focused ...

how did the egg get programmed into creating the body of the chickens' ancestor ?

im interested in your logic

namaste


How did a Homo habilis ova and sperm transform into a Homo erectus ova and sperm?

How did our ancestors from hundreds of millions of years ago get programmed from egg laying amphibians to live birth mammals?

Mutation, adaptation. Subtle changes that over time created a chicken. But that chicken still had to come from an egg.

Here's a question what is a chicken egg? An egg laid by a chicken? Or an egg containing a chicken?

Title: Re: What came first, the chicken or the egg ?
Post by Raven on Dec 27th, 2016 at 3:58am
Have you considered Raven's question Light?

Title: Re: What came first, the chicken or the egg ?
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 27th, 2016 at 4:05am

Raven wrote on Dec 27th, 2016 at 3:58am:
Have you considered Raven's question Light?


your question would invoke and convey confusion..

this is not embodied within one such as I am..

namaste

- : ) =


Title: Re: What came first, the chicken or the egg ?
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 27th, 2016 at 4:09am
many blessings ..

One group of animal essence spirit beings

made the physical bodies of the chickens ancestors ,

which laid eggs and eventually evolved into the chickens we have today, and so

spirit made the body and the body laid the egg

truths continue to be revealed

in love and light

namaste

- : ) =

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