Berlin - truck ploughs into shoppers at Christmas market


http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/8133986-3x2-700x467.jpg

Berlin - Truck ploughs through a Christmas market.



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Witnesses describe 'chaos' after truck ploughs into Berlin Christmas market Updated December 20, 2016 A truck has ploughed into a crowd close to a Christmas market in the German capital Berlin, killing at least nine people and injuring up to 50 others, police say.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-20/truck-ploughs-into-crowded-christmas-market-in-berlin/8133952

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-20/truck-ploughs-into-crowded-berlin-christmas-market/7588296




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QUESTION;
Why would any sane person [who is not a moslem], invite increasing numbers of moslems to live among them,              .....when it is very easily discovered [it can easily be known, and cannot be hidden], that the 'cultural' imperative of ISLAM,            .....is to engender religious hatred towards those who are not moslems,               ....and to encourage the followers of ISLAM [moslems] to fight against and to kill, those who are not moslems [and who reject ISLAM] ?




ISLAM [ISLAMIC holy scripture] tells moslems          that their 'reason for being', is to HATE, to attack, and to kill persons who are not moslems.





THE PRINCIPLE 'REASON FOR BEING' FOR A MOSLEM, ACCORDING TO ALLAH......

.....IS TO 'DEFEND' ISLAM, BY MURDERING DISBELIEVERS WHO OFFEND 'MY' RELIGION.

[....and if you die doing this, i will admit you to my bordello in the sky, I PROMISE!, Allah].


Google;
"The peak, the pinnacle, the crest, the highest point, the pivot, the summit of Islam is jihad,...."
- Sheik Feiz Mohammed


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"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."
Koran 9.111





IN THE HADITH,      MOHAMMED SAID.....

"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.026


"A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.065
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.080i




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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1

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"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac" - Yadda QUESTION; What about the innocent moslems ? IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems. How so [logically] ? QUESTION; How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ? QUESTION; How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],      ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ? QUESTION; How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],     ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

If they can't blow them up, they run them down. Islamic jihadi twats. >:(

IMAGE....
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Political Correctness is a weapon, which is always unleashed against, and aimed at,            LIGHT AND TRUTH.






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QUESTION;
When a person self-describes, and announces; "I'm a moslem.".....

What is the most accurate and truthful definition [and description!] of such a person,      ....a truthful definition of what a moslem is ?

ANSWER;
A    -- moslem --    is a follower of ISLAM.       < -------- dictionary definition.



Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1481638676/0#0

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QUESTION; Why would a person self-describe as being a moslem,        unless that person understood what ISLAM is [and was willing to associate themselves,       personally,      with ISLAM],        and was willing to associate themselves,       personally,      with what the doctrines and tenets of mainstream ISLAM teach and promote in the world ? PROPOSITION; [logically....] Only a person that understood what ISLAM is [and who is willing to associate themselves,       personally,      with what ISLAM is],           and who was willing to associate themselves,       personally,      with what the doctrines and tenets of mainstream ISLAM teach and promote in the world,      would   -- reasonably --   self-describe as being a moslem and would insist that they   -- were --   a moslem. Else, what would be the point of personally identifying with, and in insisting that they were,         a moslem ?

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All moslems are monsters in human form, imo. How do i justify such an accusation ? --------> Where is Tony-missing-in-action-Abbott ??? http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1421158879/6#6

see also....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1469402078





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CRIMINAL INTENT, IN THE MOSLEM HEART
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1252898491/0#0

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Every moslem in Australia [and indeed, every moslem on the planet], by self declaring as a moslem, is self declaring a criminal intent [by our laws] against local non-moslems. ISLAM is a criminal compact among moslems, to wage a violent 'religious' war against non-moslems ['disbelievers']. .....Basically, fundamentally, all ISLAMIC doctrine translates as enmity, and encourages [criminal] violence, towards ALL non-moslems.

Ali akbah? Nah. . . just a common criminal who should go through the court system and get a cosy cell and a colour TV.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/19/europe/berlin-christmas-market-truck/index.html


The muslim apologists in Germany will have to change their tune now.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/8133986-3x2-700x467.jpg

Moslems commit new atrocity against 'Allah's enemies' in Berlin.
Truck ploughs through a crowd of      shoppers     at a Christmas market.





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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1293669294/0#0

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A simple definition of SANITY/INSANITY. Typically, an unrestrained sane person will act in ways which are harmless to others, and in ways which are creative, and productive [for himself, others, and society]. And typically, and conversely, an unrestrained INSANE person will act in ways which are harmful and destructive to himself, and, or, others around him.

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Moslems are dangerous people.

Moslems are a danger to everyone who is not a moslem.

.....it is simply the nature of the beast.



Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1335389097/5#5

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ISLAM, imo, creates a mental pathology, in those persons who choose to embrace it. i.e. ISLAM creates a mental instability [a state of insanity] in those people who choose to embrace it. ISLAM creates a mental instability [a state of insanity] in those people who choose to embrace its doctrines of hatred. A hatred directed towards ALL people, and ALL ideas, and ALL concepts, which are deemed to be non-ISLAMIC.

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CRIMINAL INTENT, IN THE MOSLEM HEART
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1252898491/0#0

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Every moslem in Australia [and indeed, every moslem on the planet], by self declaring as a moslem, is self declaring a criminal intent [by our laws] against local non-moslems. ISLAM is a criminal compact among moslems, to wage a violent 'religious' war against non-moslems ['disbelievers']. .....Basically, fundamentally, all ISLAMIC doctrine translates as enmity, and encourages [criminal] violence, towards ALL non-moslems.

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see also.....

Why are these people allowed to live among us ?

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http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1469402078/0#0

This is the religion John Smith,Mothra,Aussie and little pecca continually defend.

I am sure they will post something very soon about muslims being the victims of something minor calling it Islamophobia.

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 20^th, 2016 at 10:22am:

This is the religion John Smith,Mothra,Aussie and little pecca continually defend. I am sure they will post something very soon about muslims being the victims of something minor calling it Islamophobia.

And don't forget Karnal and his muslim supporters from Sydney's Bankstown Caliphate.

Karnal will be dancing in the streets at a Christmas market being attacked just as he probably did on 9/11.

Well no need to blame the camel jockeys, they are who they are.

The only person to blame here is that leftist cv-nt merkel


Execute her as a traitor as a lesson to all leaders about respecting the people who actually live in the country, before letting in hundreds of thousands of potential rapists and murderers.

The M.O. is definitely Muzlim, but is not confirmed yet.

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 20^th, 2016 at 10:22am:

This is the religion John Smith,Mothra,Aussie and little pecca continually defend.

this is where your stupidity shines through. You don't even know the difference between defending a religion and defending a person regardless of their religion.

All religions are bullshit.

Now that we've cleared that up, try not to make a total fool of yourself.

This is what happens when leftist do-gooders take control of your country.  ::)

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 20^th, 2016 at 1:49pm:

This is what happens when leftist do-gooders take control of your country.  ::)

X 2

Hang em and hang em high.

The future doesn't bode well for lefties.

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 20^th, 2016 at 1:49pm:

This is what happens when leftist do-gooders take control of your country.  ::)

No.

This is what happens when leftist do-gooders take control of government policy in your country. [i.e. leftist public service 'experts' and government 'advisers' - with a leftist agenda for society]

!!!!!!!

Yadda wrote on Dec 20^th, 2016 at 5:23pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 20th, 2016 at 1:49pm: This is what happens when leftist do-gooders take control of your country.  ::) No. This is what happens when leftist do-gooders take control of government policy in your country. [i.e. leftist public service 'experts' and government 'advisers' - with a leftist agenda for society] !!!!!!!

Couldn't agree more yadda. :)

Yadda wrote on Dec 20^th, 2016 at 5:23pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 20th, 2016 at 1:49pm: This is what happens when leftist do-gooders take control of your country.  ::) No. This is what happens when leftist do-gooders take control of government policy in your country. [i.e. leftist public service 'experts' and government 'advisers' - with a leftist agenda for society] !!!!!!!

Progressive, limp wristed, bed wetting, leftist, apologists -

have allowed this to happen.


( they think the terrorist was a Pakistani )

Bobby. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2016 at 5:35pm:

Yadda wrote on Dec 20th, 2016 at 5:23pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 20th, 2016 at 1:49pm: This is what happens when leftist do-gooders take control of your country.  ::) No. This is what happens when leftist do-gooders take control of government policy in your country. [i.e. leftist public service 'experts' and government 'advisers' - with a leftist agenda for society] !!!!!!! Progressive, limp wristed, bed wetting, leftist, apologists - have allowed this to happen.

This is what happens when cretinous, right-wing, lip-service-patriot leaders start wars they can't finish and bomb and invade countries without cause and cause mega deaths and refugee swarms.

Unforgiven wrote on Dec 20^th, 2016 at 5:40pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 20th, 2016 at 5:35pm: Yadda wrote on Dec 20th, 2016 at 5:23pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 20th, 2016 at 1:49pm: This is what happens when leftist do-gooders take control of your country.  ::) No. This is what happens when leftist do-gooders take control of government policy in your country. [i.e. leftist public service 'experts' and government 'advisers' - with a leftist agenda for society] !!!!!!! Progressive, limp wristed, bed wetting, leftist, apologists - have allowed this to happen. This is what happens when cretinous, right-wing, lip-service-patriot leaders start wars they can't finish and bomb and invade countries without cause and cause mega deaths and refugee swarms.

Except that Germany is not even in the war - you fool.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2016 at 5:49pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Dec 20th, 2016 at 5:40pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 20th, 2016 at 5:35pm: Yadda wrote on Dec 20th, 2016 at 5:23pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 20th, 2016 at 1:49pm: This is what happens when leftist do-gooders take control of your country.  ::) No. This is what happens when leftist do-gooders take control of government policy in your country. [i.e. leftist public service 'experts' and government 'advisers' - with a leftist agenda for society] !!!!!!! Progressive, limp wristed, bed wetting, leftist, apologists - have allowed this to happen. This is what happens when cretinous, right-wing, lip-service-patriot leaders start wars they can't finish and bomb and invade countries without cause and cause mega deaths and refugee swarms. Except that Germany is not even in the war - you fool.

Bobby, you are diverting more of your hardening matter away from your sporting and procreation equipment to your heart and arteries.

Germany is a victim in being impacted by refugees from Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and other countries.

Unforgiven wrote on Dec 20^th, 2016 at 5:53pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 20th, 2016 at 5:49pm: Unforgiven wrote on Dec 20th, 2016 at 5:40pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 20th, 2016 at 5:35pm: Yadda wrote on Dec 20th, 2016 at 5:23pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 20th, 2016 at 1:49pm: This is what happens when leftist do-gooders take control of your country.  ::) No. This is what happens when leftist do-gooders take control of government policy in your country. [i.e. leftist public service 'experts' and government 'advisers' - with a leftist agenda for society] !!!!!!! Progressive, limp wristed, bed wetting, leftist, apologists - have allowed this to happen. This is what happens when cretinous, right-wing, lip-service-patriot leaders start wars they can't finish and bomb and invade countries without cause and cause mega deaths and refugee swarms. Except that Germany is not even in the war - you fool. Bobby, you are diverting more of your hardening matter away from your sporting and procreation equipment to your heart and arteries. Germany is a victim in being impacted by refugees from Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and other countries.

They invited that sh!t into their country &
then their women were raped &
now people were run over by a huge truck.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2016 at 5:35pm:

Yadda wrote on Dec 20th, 2016 at 5:23pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 20th, 2016 at 1:49pm: This is what happens when leftist do-gooders take control of your country.  ::) No. This is what happens when leftist do-gooders take control of government policy in your country. [i.e. leftist public service 'experts' and government 'advisers' - with a leftist agenda for society] !!!!!!! Progressive, limp wristed, bed wetting, leftist, apologists - have allowed this to happen. ( they think the terrorist was a       Pakistani         )

!!!!!!!!!!!!!


bobby,

He, 'the terrorist', could of been born in      Australia        !

.......but he woulda still been a       MOSLEM     !!!!

Committing the atrocity, because he was inspired by the imperatives to violence against Allah's enemies, which is encouraged by mainstream ISLAM.



e.g.


Quote:

"We want to have children and offer them as soldiers defending Islam. Teach them this: There is nothing more beloved to me than wanting to die as a mujahid (holy warrior). Put in their soft, tender hearts the zeal of jihad and a love of martyrdom."

- An 'Aussie' born, 'Aussie' moslem






http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2007/01/18/va1237230244821/Sheik-Feiz-Chris-Pavlich-5363339.jpg



Quote:

Use children as troops, says cleric January 18, 2007 SYDNEY'S most influential radical Muslim cleric has been caught on film calling Jews pigs and urging children to die for Allah. Firebrand Sheik Feiz Mohammed, head of the Global Islamic Youth Centre in Liverpool [Australia], delivered the hateful rants on a collection of DVDs called the Death Series being sold in Australia and overseas. .........Sheik Feiz says in the video. "We want to have children and offer them as soldiers defending Islam. Teach them this: There is nothing more beloved to me than wanting to die as a mujahid (holy warrior). Put in their soft, tender hearts the zeal of jihad and a love of martyrdom." An Australian citizen born in Sydney who has spent the past year living in Lebanon, Sheik Feiz was exposed this week in a British documentary Undercover Mosque. ......"The peak, the pinnacle, the crest, the highest point, the pivot, the summit of Islam is jihad," he declares in the film, before denouncing "kaffirs" (non-Muslims). "Kaffir is the worst word ever written, a sign of infidelity, disbelief, filth, a sign of dirt." ......Sheik Feiz - who just two weeks ago said he felt like an "alien" in his own country - leads about 4000 followers through his Global Islamic Youth Centre in Sydney's southwest. He also accused Australian authorities of being over-zealous in their approach to clerics like him.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21074839-2,00.html
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014863.php





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It was 'ISLAMIC culture'         .....which encouraged Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar, to murder Australian Curtis Cheng].


i.e.
Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar committed that atrocity against an un-armed Australian because Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar was 'rightly offended' by all aspects of Australian culture.


Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar....was offended, by the Australian culture,             ....which rejected the imperatives of ISLAMIC culture!




IMAGE...
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ce73Q-AW4AE-z37.jpg

Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar outside Parramatta police headquarters





IN AUSTRALIA;

After a 'troubled moslem youth' murders an Australian citizen outside a Sydney police station......

......how does PM Malcolm Turnbull      PUBLICLY    respond to this outrage committed by a member of the Australian moslem community ?

Google;
malcolm turnbull calls for mutual respect



Malcolm Turnbull,        BELIEVES [hopes ? prays ?]       that if Australians will simply appease the demands of moslems who are living in Australia,      .....that the 'expression' of the worst evil that is living within men's hearts [moslem hearts] will be averted.

Sure.

/sarc off

dear Yadda,

they think the terrorist was a  Pakistani.

The truth is being withheld for now. 

Bobby. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2016 at 5:59pm:

dear Yadda, they think the terrorist was a  Pakistani.

Thank you bobby.           :)

Yadda wrote on Dec 20^th, 2016 at 6:02pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 20th, 2016 at 5:59pm: dear Yadda, they think the terrorist was a  Pakistani. Thank you bobby.           :)

Thanks -

ABC 2 news -

they think the attacker was either a Pakistani or an Afghan.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2016 at 5:59pm:

dear Yadda, they think the terrorist was a  Pakistani. The truth is being withheld for now.

... the voices in Bobby's head?

The truth is being withheld so that the false news manufacturing industry has more time to access dupes?

Unforgiven wrote on Dec 20^th, 2016 at 6:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 20th, 2016 at 5:59pm: dear Yadda, they think the terrorist was a  Pakistani. The truth is being withheld for now.  ... the voices in Bobby's head? The truth is being withheld so that the false news manufacturing industry has more time to access dupes?

Unforgiven is an apologist for Muslim atrocities.


http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/20/europe/berlin-christmas-market-truck/index.html



US President-elect Donald Trump quickly linked the incident to "ISIS and other Islamist terrorists" and "global jihad."

Published on Dec 19, 2016

Truck plowed into a crowd at a German Christmas market; reaction on 'Hannity'


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4UGjPRKnag

The moment we all heard it on the news we all knew it was a Muslim.  Brian, Karnal, Smithers, Mothers, gandalf - everyone. This never happened in France and Germany until Muslims got in. Everyone knows that.

Islam should be banned from the West until they utterly and completely renounce Mohammed. A complete hatemonger, terrorist, violent warlord.

The chaos and conflict in the Middle East and the consequent refugee stream to Europe, and terrorism in Europe has been caused by USA bombing of Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya and USA support of terrorists in Syria. Not to mention USA support and armaments for the bombing of Yemen.

There wouldn't be a problem if USA had not meddled in the affairs of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and Yemen.

Unforgiven wrote on Dec 20^th, 2016 at 8:49pm:

The chaos and conflict in the Middle East and the consequent refugee stream to Europe, and terrorism in Europe has been caused by USA bombing of Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya and USA support of terrorists in Syria. Not to mention USA support and armaments for the bombing of Yemen. There wouldn't be a problem if USA had not meddled in the affairs of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and Yemen.

Apologist for terrorism.


You're either with us or you're with the terrorists.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2016 at 8:58pm:

You're either with us or you're with the terrorists.

why are we in the M.E. booby? To help bring about democracy? hows that going do you think? 

it's time we got out and left them to sort their sh1t out on their own. Until we do, you can't complain if they come here.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/20/europe/berlin-christmas-market-truck/index.html?adkey=bn


A man suspected of deliberately ramming a large truck into a Christmas market in Berlin is a
refugee from the Afghanistan-Pakistan region, two German intelligence officials and a police official told CNN.




hang em and hang em high.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QRFeV4rPZE

John Smith wrote on Dec 20^th, 2016 at 9:00pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 20th, 2016 at 8:58pm: You're either with us or you're with the terrorists. why are we in the M.E. booby? To help bring about democracy? hows that going do you think?  it's time we got out and left them to sort their sh1t out on their own. Until we do, you can't complain if they come here.

Germany is not in the ME but still they are targets.

We are all targets of terrorists - even you.

Go away - you terrorist apologist.

Notice Merk's use of the term "Terrorist." Very convenient not to talk about motive or inspiration. How does she know this person, or persons, were trying to scare people? It looks more like they were trying to kill as many as possible. That is the Jihadist way, fear is secondary, and she knows it. Kill infidels, the Koran says so. Oh sorry, the guy was a Buddhist.

Earlier today Trump delivered a response, it effectively means look out and changes are a coming.

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 20^th, 2016 at 11:14am:

And don't forget Karnal and his muslim supporters from Sydney's Bankstown Caliphate. Karnal will be dancing in the streets at a Christmas market being attacked just as he probably did on 9/11.

Karnal's mourning the death of 20-odd innocent people, along with one brainwashed Pakistani.

No one's dancing here, Bogie. There are no winners, only Death.

German police now unsure if the man they have in custody is the actual perpetrator of the terrorist truck attack.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38379157

Johnnie wrote on Dec 20^th, 2016 at 9:32pm:

Earlier today Trump delivered a response, it effectively means look out and changes are a coming.

Trump's blather is just that.

Berlin Christmas market:

Police release man from custody


By Frederik Pleitgen, Angela Dewan, James Griffiths and Catherine E. Shoichet, CNN

Updated 1852 GMT (0252 HKT) December 20, 2016

The man detained after a truck crashed into a Berlin Christmas market has been set free, Germany's general prosecutor said in a statement Tuesday. "The investigations thus far have not produced sufficient evidence against the suspect," the statement said.


http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/20/europe/berlin-christmas-market-truck/index.html

Berlin attack:

Isis claims responsibility for Christmas market massacre that killed 12


Isis has claimed responsibility for the lorry attack on a crowded Christmas market in Berlin.

Through its Amaq news agency, the jihadi group has claimed the attacker is a "soldier of the Islamic State".

The phrase matches that used to claim previous lone wolf attacks, such as those in Orlando and Wurzburg.
Language of claim matches that used for previous lone wolf attacks


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/berlin-isis-claim-responsibility-christmas-market-latest-updates-a7487746.html

Unforgiven wrote on Dec 21^st, 2016 at 1:33am:

Johnnie wrote on Dec 20th, 2016 at 9:32pm: Earlier today Trump delivered a response, it effectively means look out and changes are a coming. Trump's blather is just that.

It is the 'blather' of the president-elect of the USA.

And after Jan, 2017, Donald J Trump's 'blather' will have effect upon some serious US government policy.

Possibly the first time you have ever actually inspired trepadation yadda.

Unforgiven wrote on Dec 20^th, 2016 at 8:49pm:

The chaos and conflict in the Middle East and the consequent refugee stream to Europe, and terrorism in Europe has been caused by USA bombing of Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya and USA support of terrorists in Syria. Not to mention USA support and armaments for the bombing of Yemen. There wouldn't be a problem if USA had not meddled in the affairs of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and Yemen.

You mean the US should not have responded to 9/11, should have also left Saddam in power, not respond to his earlier invasion of Kuwait, etc, etc. Just let Muslims do whatever they feel like otherwise they will unleash chaos?

Islam

Frank wrote on Dec 21^st, 2016 at 10:00am:

Unforgiven wrote on Dec 20th, 2016 at 8:49pm: The chaos and conflict in the Middle East and the consequent refugee stream to Europe, and terrorism in Europe has been caused by USA bombing of Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya and USA support of terrorists in Syria. Not to mention USA support and armaments for the bombing of Yemen. There wouldn't be a problem if USA had not meddled in the affairs of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and Yemen. You mean the US should not have responded to 9/11, should have also left Saddam in power, not respond to his earlier invasion of Kuwait, etc, etc. Just let Muslims do whatever they feel like otherwise they will unleash chaos?

There would be less dead people today if the USA had not attacked Afghanistan and Iraq. The waves of terrorism would not have happened.

300,000+ people who died would still be alive today.

Dustwun wrote on Dec 21^st, 2016 at 1:13pm:

Islam

... has taken over Dustwun's mind and dumped the previous contents.

Unforgiven wrote on Dec 21^st, 2016 at 1:20pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 10:00am: Unforgiven wrote on Dec 20th, 2016 at 8:49pm: The chaos and conflict in the Middle East and the consequent refugee stream to Europe, and terrorism in Europe has been caused by USA bombing of Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya and USA support of terrorists in Syria. Not to mention USA support and armaments for the bombing of Yemen. There wouldn't be a problem if USA had not meddled in the affairs of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and Yemen. You mean the US should not have responded to 9/11, should have also left Saddam in power, not respond to his earlier invasion of Kuwait, etc, etc. Just let Muslims do whatever they feel like otherwise they will unleash chaos? There would be less dead people today if the USA had not attacked Afghanistan and Iraq. The waves of terrorism would not have happened. 300,000+ people who died would still be alive today.

Just remind us - what was that in response to??

Unforgiven wrote on Dec 21^st, 2016 at 1:20pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 10:00am: Unforgiven wrote on Dec 20th, 2016 at 8:49pm: The chaos and conflict in the Middle East and the consequent refugee stream to Europe, and terrorism in Europe has been caused by USA bombing of Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya and USA support of terrorists in Syria. Not to mention USA support and armaments for the bombing of Yemen. There wouldn't be a problem if USA had not meddled in the affairs of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and Yemen. You mean the US should not have responded to 9/11, should have also left Saddam in power, not respond to his earlier invasion of Kuwait, etc, etc. Just let Muslims do whatever they feel like otherwise they will unleash chaos? There would be less dead people today if the USA had not attacked Afghanistan and Iraq. The waves of terrorism would not have happened. 300,000+ people who died would still be alive today.

I blame Islam.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 21^st, 2016 at 2:19pm:

I blame Islam.

Bobby blames Islam for all his daily misfortunes.

Sports bet is showing odds on for another Muslim terrorist attack within the next 24hrs, all Christmas festivities should be cancelled forthwith and until further notice until this whole islam V the rest of the world thing is sorted out, along comes Trump, a very merry Christmas next year.

Frank wrote on Dec 21^st, 2016 at 2:11pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 1:20pm: Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 10:00am: Unforgiven wrote on Dec 20th, 2016 at 8:49pm: The chaos and conflict in the Middle East and the consequent refugee stream to Europe, and terrorism in Europe has been caused by USA bombing of Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya and USA support of terrorists in Syria. Not to mention USA support and armaments for the bombing of Yemen. There wouldn't be a problem if USA had not meddled in the affairs of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and Yemen. You mean the US should not have responded to 9/11, should have also left Saddam in power, not respond to his earlier invasion of Kuwait, etc, etc. Just let Muslims do whatever they feel like otherwise they will unleash chaos? There would be less dead people today if the USA had not attacked Afghanistan and Iraq. The waves of terrorism would not have happened. 300,000+ people who died would still be alive today. Just remind us - what was that in response to??

The 2000 recession and Saddam threatening to sell oil for Euros rather than US dollars, as every schoolboy knows.

What did you think? Saddam was harbouring Osama bin Laden?

Oh, old boy, you really are a hoot.

Johnnie wrote on Dec 21^st, 2016 at 2:42pm:

Sports bet is showing odds on for another Muslim terrorist attack within the next 24hrs, all Christmas festivities should be cancelled forthwith and until further notice until this whole islam V the rest of the world thing is sorted out, along comes Trump, a very merry Christmas next year.

What's Trump going to do, Matty? Start a war with Islam?

Strange. Only a few weeks ago you were saying what a warmonger that Hillary is. Vote for Hillary, and Uncle will be back in the Middle East next year.

A lot has changed since then, no?

Karnal wrote on Dec 21^st, 2016 at 3:01pm:

Johnnie wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 2:42pm: Sports bet is showing odds on for another Muslim terrorist attack within the next 24hrs, all Christmas festivities should be cancelled forthwith and until further notice until this whole islam V the rest of the world thing is sorted out, along comes Trump, a very merry Christmas next year. What's Trump going to do, Matty? Start a war with Islam?

Don't worry - it will all change when Trump sorts the Muslims out.

Karnal wrote on Dec 21^st, 2016 at 3:01pm:

Johnnie wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 2:42pm: Sports bet is showing odds on for another Muslim terrorist attack within the next 24hrs, all Christmas festivities should be cancelled forthwith and until further notice until this whole islam V the rest of the world thing is sorted out, along comes Trump, a very merry Christmas next year. What's Trump going to do, Matty? Start a war with Islam? Strange. Only a few weeks ago you were saying what a warmonger that Hillary is. Vote for Hillary, and Uncle will be back in the Middle East next year. A lot has changed since then, no?

Islam started the war against the West shortly after the last Arab Israeli War.

Frank wrote on Dec 21^st, 2016 at 10:00am:

Unforgiven wrote on Dec 20th, 2016 at 8:49pm: The chaos and conflict in the Middle East and the consequent refugee stream to Europe, and terrorism in Europe has been caused by USA bombing of Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya and USA support of terrorists in Syria. Not to mention USA support and armaments for the bombing of Yemen. There wouldn't be a problem if USA had not meddled in the affairs of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and Yemen. You mean the US should not have responded to 9/11, should have also left Saddam in power, not respond to his earlier invasion of Kuwait, etc, etc. Just let Muslims do whatever they feel like otherwise they will unleash chaos?

9/11 would never have happened if we'd stayed out of the M.E. in the first place

issuevoter wrote on Dec 21^st, 2016 at 6:33pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 3:01pm: Johnnie wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 2:42pm: Sports bet is showing odds on for another Muslim terrorist attack within the next 24hrs, all Christmas festivities should be cancelled forthwith and until further notice until this whole islam V the rest of the world thing is sorted out, along comes Trump, a very merry Christmas next year. What's Trump going to do, Matty? Start a war with Islam? Strange. Only a few weeks ago you were saying what a warmonger that Hillary is. Vote for Hillary, and Uncle will be back in the Middle East next year. A lot has changed since then, no? Islam started the war against the West shortly after the last Arab Israeli War.

I blame Israel, and the Jewish people,        ....for existing, for breathing !

issuevoter ???

Berlin attack:

Police hunt Tunisian suspect after finding ID papers in truck



By Frederik Pleitgen, James Griffiths and Angela Dewan, CNN

Updated 1125 GMT (1925 HKT) December 21, 2016


Berlin (CNN)Police are searching for a Tunisian man in his early 20s in connection with the Berlin Christmas market attack, a German security official told CNN Wednesday.
The suspect's identity papers were found inside the cabin of the truck used in the attack, which left 12 people dead and 48 injured, the official said.

Authorities on Tuesday released another man who was arrested shortly after the truck smashed into the market, saying there was no evidence to connect him to the attack.
Police have appealed to the public for any digital videos and photos they have of the incident or possible suspects. They tweeted Tuesday that they were investigating 508 leads.
Latest developments

    Police are searching for a Tunisian man in his early 20s, security official says
    German President Joachim Gauck visits the injured at a Berlin hospital
    Police searching for suspect who deliberately drove truck into crowd
    Mourners pack a nearby church for memorial to victims
    Officials say several people could have been involved in the attack.


Attacker on the loose
ISIS claimed it had inspired the attack. The terror group's affiliated Amaq news agency described the perpetrator as a "soldier of the Islamic State," who had acted in response to calls for attacks in the West.
German police say they are treating the attack as terrorism, but there is no evidence of a direct link with ISIS.
On Tuesday evening, police released an asylum-seeker believed to be from Pakistan who had been detained in the immediate aftermath of the attack. According to German media, witnesses had said he had been driving the truck.
But Peter Frank, general prosecutor at Germany's Federal Court of Justice, said that forensic tests offered no link between the man and the truck's cabin.


http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/21/europe/berlin-christmas-market-truck/index.html

John Smith wrote on Dec 21^st, 2016 at 6:36pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 10:00am: Unforgiven wrote on Dec 20th, 2016 at 8:49pm: The chaos and conflict in the Middle East and the consequent refugee stream to Europe, and terrorism in Europe has been caused by USA bombing of Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya and USA support of terrorists in Syria. Not to mention USA support and armaments for the bombing of Yemen. There wouldn't be a problem if USA had not meddled in the affairs of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and Yemen. You mean the US should not have responded to 9/11, should have also left Saddam in power, not respond to his earlier invasion of Kuwait, etc, etc. Just let Muslims do whatever they feel like otherwise they will unleash chaos? 9/11 would never have happened if we'd stayed out of the M.E. in the first place

Well, if they can fly planes into our buildings and drive trucks into our civilians we can bomb them back to hell.

If anything, the response by the US and West was way too timid. These fanatics are not like us, they understand nothing but force. They exercise force and they will be called to heel by nothing but force.

I have no sympathy for Afghans, Iranians, Iraqis, Syrians, Yemenis. They are battling each other, as they have done for centuries, but this time we get involved. We can't seal them off - if only we could - so we are inevitably dragged into their mindless tribal feuds.

Berlin attack:

Police hunt Tunisian suspect after finding ID papers in truck



By Frederik Pleitgen, James Griffiths and Angela Dewan, CNN

Updated 1125 GMT (1925 HKT) December 21, 2016


Berlin (CNN)Police are searching for a Tunisian man in his early 20s in connection with the Berlin Christmas market attack, a German security official told CNN Wednesday.
The suspect's identity papers were found inside the cabin of the truck used in the attack, which left 12 people dead and 48 injured, the official said.

Authorities on Tuesday released another man who was arrested shortly after the truck smashed into the market, saying there was no evidence to connect him to the attack.
Police have appealed to the public for any digital videos and photos they have of the incident or possible suspects. They tweeted Tuesday that they were investigating 508 leads.
Latest developments

    Police are searching for a Tunisian man in his early 20s, security official says
    German President Joachim Gauck visits the injured at a Berlin hospital
    Police searching for suspect who deliberately drove truck into crowd
    Mourners pack a nearby church for memorial to victims
    Officials say several people could have been involved in the attack.


Attacker on the loose
ISIS claimed it had inspired the attack. The terror group's affiliated Amaq news agency described the perpetrator as a "soldier of the Islamic State," who had acted in response to calls for attacks in the West.
German police say they are treating the attack as terrorism, but there is no evidence of a direct link with ISIS.
On Tuesday evening, police released an asylum-seeker believed to be from Pakistan who had been detained in the immediate aftermath of the attack. According to German media, witnesses had said he had been driving the truck.
But Peter Frank, general prosecutor at Germany's Federal Court of Justice, said that forensic tests offered no link between the man and the truck's cabin.


http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/21/europe/berlin-christmas-market-truck/index.html

Frank wrote on Dec 21^st, 2016 at 10:05pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 6:36pm: Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 10:00am: Unforgiven wrote on Dec 20th, 2016 at 8:49pm: The chaos and conflict in the Middle East and the consequent refugee stream to Europe, and terrorism in Europe has been caused by USA bombing of Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya and USA support of terrorists in Syria. Not to mention USA support and armaments for the bombing of Yemen. There wouldn't be a problem if USA had not meddled in the affairs of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and Yemen. You mean the US should not have responded to 9/11, should have also left Saddam in power, not respond to his earlier invasion of Kuwait, etc, etc. Just let Muslims do whatever they feel like otherwise they will unleash chaos? 9/11 would never have happened if we'd stayed out of the M.E. in the first place Well, if they can fly planes into our buildings and drive trucks into our civilians we can bomb them back to hell. If anything, the response by the US and West was way too timid. These fanatics are not like us, they understand nothing but force. They exercise force and they will be called to heel by nothing but force. I have no sympathy for Afghans, Iranians, Iraqis, Syrians, Yemenis. They are battling each other, as they have done for centuries, but this time we get involved. We can't seal them off - if only we could - so we are inevitably dragged into their mindless tribal feuds.

Frank,

Exactly so, imo.

ISLAM teaches moslem men to have the character and inclination, of a base ruthless thug.

Moslems employ treachery, lying, deceit, intimidation, and utter ruthlessness, against those they deem to be their enemy.

Moslems pretend to have honour and virtue,      but the reality is, that they conceal their wrongdoing, and are a shameless, deceitful, lying people.      [they are a people, who will never accede to any form of 'repentance']



A person like Saddam Hussein was, essentially a perfect foil, against the moslem psyche, imo.

Saddam Hussein [himself an utterly ruthless thug] knew 'what was required' to 'engender respect' from those moslems he ruled over.     !!!!



p.s.
And the same 'qualities' applied to Muammar Gaddafi, in Libya.

Another utterly ruthless thug, who knew 'what was required' to 'engender respect' from those moslems he ruled over.     !!!!

Frank wrote on Dec 21^st, 2016 at 10:05pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 6:36pm: Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 10:00am: Unforgiven wrote on Dec 20th, 2016 at 8:49pm: The chaos and conflict in the Middle East and the consequent refugee stream to Europe, and terrorism in Europe has been caused by USA bombing of Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya and USA support of terrorists in Syria. Not to mention USA support and armaments for the bombing of Yemen. There wouldn't be a problem if USA had not meddled in the affairs of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and Yemen. You mean the US should not have responded to 9/11, should have also left Saddam in power, not respond to his earlier invasion of Kuwait, etc, etc. Just let Muslims do whatever they feel like otherwise they will unleash chaos? 9/11 would never have happened if we'd stayed out of the M.E. in the first place Well, if they can fly planes into our buildings and drive trucks into our civilians we can bomb them back to hell. If anything, the response by the US and West was way too timid. These fanatics are not like us, they understand nothing but force. They exercise force and they will be called to heel by nothing but force. I have no sympathy for Afghans, Iranians, Iraqis, Syrians, Yemenis. They are battling each other, as they have done for centuries, but this time we get involved. We can't seal them off - if only we could - so we are inevitably dragged into their mindless tribal feuds.

Quote:

............the response by the US and West was way too timid.........

cowardly timid.
there has been no response.

The clash of civilisations has been on for 1400 years. It's heating up now, not for the first time.

You can be with civilisation or you can be with the heathens.

Frank wrote on Dec 21^st, 2016 at 10:05pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 6:36pm: Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 10:00am: Unforgiven wrote on Dec 20th, 2016 at 8:49pm: The chaos and conflict in the Middle East and the consequent refugee stream to Europe, and terrorism in Europe has been caused by USA bombing of Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya and USA support of terrorists in Syria. Not to mention USA support and armaments for the bombing of Yemen. There wouldn't be a problem if USA had not meddled in the affairs of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and Yemen. You mean the US should not have responded to 9/11, should have also left Saddam in power, not respond to his earlier invasion of Kuwait, etc, etc. Just let Muslims do whatever they feel like otherwise they will unleash chaos? 9/11 would never have happened if we'd stayed out of the M.E. in the first place Well, if they can fly planes into our buildings and drive trucks into our civilians we can bomb them back to hell. If anything, the response by the US and West was way too timid. These fanatics are not like us, they understand nothing but force. They exercise force and they will be called to heel by nothing but force. I have no sympathy for Afghans, Iranians, Iraqis, Syrians, Yemenis. They are battling each other, as they have done for centuries, but this time we get involved. We can't seal them off - if only we could - so we are inevitably dragged into their mindless tribal feuds.

Yes, everybody but the Saudis, who funded and planned 9/11. Why are you such a cowardly apologist?  ::) ::) ::)

Tsk tsk tsk.

Berlin (CNN)A manhunt is underway for a 24-year-old Tunisia native in connection with this week's Christmas market attack in Berlin -- a man German authorities say may be "violent and armed."
Anis Amri is being sought in Monday's truck attack, which left 12 people dead and 48 injured, a wanted notice issued Wednesday by the German federal prosecutor's office said.

The suspect - 3 photos.

Police have offered a reward of up to 100,000 euros (about $104,000) for information about his whereabouts, and said Amri, who was born in Tunisia, is "under urgent suspicion."
"If you see this person that we are seeking, inform the police. Please do not put yourself in danger because this person could be violent and armed!" the notice said.

http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/161221120530-anis-amri-exlarge-169.jpg

http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/161221130420-02-anis-amri-exlarge-169.jpg

http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/161221121439-anis-amri-exlarge-169.jpg


http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/21/europe/berlin-christmas-market-truck/index.html

Frank wrote on Dec 21^st, 2016 at 10:05pm:

Well, if they can fly planes into our buildings and drive trucks into our civilians we can bomb them back to hell.

except that we were bombing them long before any planes flew into any buildings.

All MALE. What a surprise.

Frank wrote on Dec 21^st, 2016 at 10:05pm:

If anything, the response by the US and West was way too timid. These fanatics are not like us, they understand nothing but force. They exercise force and they will be called to heel by nothing but force.

You're so funny, you're sad, troll.

Like Nicholson said, put up weapon and fight for your smacking beliefs - you know, if you can leave your bridge long enough.

https://youtu.be/hopNAI8Pefg

A Tunisian Christmas present from the folks who brought you the beachfront tourist massacre.

John Smith wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2016 at 8:23am:

Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 10:05pm: Well, if they can fly planes into our buildings and drive trucks into our civilians we can bomb them back to hell. except that we were bombing them long before any planes flew into any buildings.

Really?

When?

issuevoter wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2016 at 10:57am:

A Tunisian Christmas present from the folks who brought you the beachfront tourist massacre.

Do we want more Tunisians (Iraqis, Afghans, Pakistanis, Somalis, etc)  or fewer??


Why are people who want to murder us for attending a Christmas market in our countries in the first place?

Frank wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2016 at 1:09pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 8:23am: Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 10:05pm: Well, if they can fly planes into our buildings and drive trucks into our civilians we can bomb them back to hell. except that we were bombing them long before any planes flew into any buildings. Really? When?

pretty much the last 50 yrs.


In Osama Bin Laden's November 2002 "Letter to America",[5][6] he explicitly stated that al-Qaeda's motives for their attacks include: Western support for attacking Muslims in Somalia, supporting Russian atrocities against Muslims in Chechnya, supporting the Indian oppression against Muslims in Kashmir, the Jewish aggression against Muslims in Lebanon, the presence of US troops in Saudi Arabia,[6][7][8] US support of Israel,[9][10] and sanctions against Iraq.[1

John Smith wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2016 at 2:32pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 1:09pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 8:23am: Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 10:05pm: Well, if they can fly planes into our buildings and drive trucks into our civilians we can bomb them back to hell. except that we were bombing them long before any planes flew into any buildings. Really? When? pretty much the last 50 yrs. In Osama Bin Laden's November 2002 "Letter to America",[5][6] he explicitly stated that al-Qaeda's motives for their attacks include: Western support for attacking Muslims in Somalia, supporting Russian atrocities against Muslims in Chechnya, supporting the Indian oppression against Muslims in Kashmir, the Jewish aggression against Muslims in Lebanon, the presence of US troops in Saudi Arabia,[6][7][8] US support of Israel,[9][10] and sanctions against Iraq.[1

But why attack Germany?

They have helped the refugees.

Germany’s security services are facing mounting pressure to explain how Amri could have been able to carry out Monday’s attack in spite of having been under covert surveillance for several months and known to multiple intelligence agencies for apparent ties to Islamic extremists.

A deputy chairman of Chancellor Angela Merkel’s Christian Democratic party accused German intelligence agencies of incompetence, saying Wednesday’s reports on security failures had left him “shocked”.

He was added to the government’s central terror watchlist in January and his telecommunications were under surveillance until September.

US officials said Amri was on a US no-fly list, had researched bomb-making online and been in contact with Isis at least once, the New York Times reported.

However, the Tunisian suspect dropped off the security agencies’ radar in November this year. Newspapers were highly critical of the intelligence services. The Süddeutsche Zeitung said the authorities had “fallen asleep”, while Der Spiegel weekly said on its website that “they had him in their crosshairs” and he still managed to vanish.

The best-selling Bild tabloid said in a commentary piece that in future such suspects had to be locked up and not allowed “to roam free”.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/22/police-raid-flats-in-search-for-berlin-truck-attack-suspect-anis-amri

such suspects had to be locked up and not allowed “to roam free"



We need concentration camps for all suspects.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2016 at 10:11pm:

Germany’s security services are facing mounting pressure to explain how Amri could have been able to carry out Monday’s attack in spite of having been under covert surveillance for several months and known to multiple intelligence agencies for apparent ties to Islamic extremists. A deputy chairman of Chancellor Angela Merkel’s Christian Democratic party accused German intelligence agencies of incompetence, saying Wednesday’s reports on security failures had left him “shocked”. He was added to the government’s central terror watchlist in January and his telecommunications were under surveillance until September. US officials said Amri was on a US no-fly list, had researched bomb-making online and been in contact with Isis at least once, the New York Times reported. However, the Tunisian suspect dropped off the security agencies’ radar in November this year. Newspapers were highly critical of the intelligence services. The Süddeutsche Zeitung said the authorities had “fallen asleep”, while Der Spiegel weekly said on its website that “they had him in their crosshairs” and he still managed to vanish. The best-selling Bild tabloid said in a commentary piece that in future such suspects had to be locked up and not allowed “to roam free”. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/22/police-raid-flats-in-search-for-berlin-truck-attack-suspect-anis-amri

MI5 tipped off the Krauts to look for Brazilian electricians because they are easier to kill.

Unforgiven wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2016 at 10:16pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 10:11pm: Germany’s security services are facing mounting pressure to explain how Amri could have been able to carry out Monday’s attack in spite of having been under covert surveillance for several months and known to multiple intelligence agencies for apparent ties to Islamic extremists. A deputy chairman of Chancellor Angela Merkel’s Christian Democratic party accused German intelligence agencies of incompetence, saying Wednesday’s reports on security failures had left him “shocked”. He was added to the government’s central terror watchlist in January and his telecommunications were under surveillance until September. US officials said Amri was on a US no-fly list, had researched bomb-making online and been in contact with Isis at least once, the New York Times reported. However, the Tunisian suspect dropped off the security agencies’ radar in November this year. Newspapers were highly critical of the intelligence services. The Süddeutsche Zeitung said the authorities had “fallen asleep”, while Der Spiegel weekly said on its website that “they had him in their crosshairs” and he still managed to vanish. The best-selling Bild tabloid said in a commentary piece that in future such suspects had to be locked up and not allowed “to roam free”. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/22/police-raid-flats-in-search-for-berlin-truck-attack-suspect-anis-amri MI5 tipped off the Krauts to look for Braziliian electricins because they are easier to kill.

are you making fun of a tragic mistake?

forgiven

namaste

Bobby. wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2016 at 10:11pm:

such suspects had to be locked up and not allowed “to roam free" We need concentration camps for all suspects.

Australia has those, but they filled them with innocent people because they are easier to catch than terrorists.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2016 at 10:26pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 10:16pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 10:11pm: Germany’s security services are facing mounting pressure to explain how Amri could have been able to carry out Monday’s attack in spite of having been under covert surveillance for several months and known to multiple intelligence agencies for apparent ties to Islamic extremists. A deputy chairman of Chancellor Angela Merkel’s Christian Democratic party accused German intelligence agencies of incompetence, saying Wednesday’s reports on security failures had left him “shocked”. He was added to the government’s central terror watchlist in January and his telecommunications were under surveillance until September. US officials said Amri was on a US no-fly list, had researched bomb-making online and been in contact with Isis at least once, the New York Times reported. However, the Tunisian suspect dropped off the security agencies’ radar in November this year. Newspapers were highly critical of the intelligence services. The Süddeutsche Zeitung said the authorities had “fallen asleep”, while Der Spiegel weekly said on its website that “they had him in their crosshairs” and he still managed to vanish. The best-selling Bild tabloid said in a commentary piece that in future such suspects had to be locked up and not allowed “to roam free”. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/22/police-raid-flats-in-search-for-berlin-truck-attack-suspect-anis-amri MI5 tipped off the Krauts to look for Braziliian electricins because they are easier to kill. are you making fun of a tragic mistake? forgiven namaste

It wasn't a mistake. They meant to kill him. It was criminal negligence.

Islam   :-/

Unforgiven wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2016 at 10:31pm:

It wasn't a mistake. They meant to kill him. It was criminal negligence.

The police were in a state of hysteria -

they thought he had a bomb on him that he could trigger with a button.

It was a tragic mistake.

Not only were those attackers men, but they committed those crimes in the name of violently patriarchal religions.

Marla wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2016 at 1:14am:

Not only were those attackers men, but they committed those crimes in the name of violently patriarchal religions.

Marla - get a job & stop smoking dope.

How can one not despise those who offer platitudes after these atrocities? If they were honest, they would say, "Sorry, we are defenseless against these attacks." That would probably not be diplomatic, but they don't have to insult us with requests to turn the other cheek, when they will never be in the crowd that is mowed down.

issuevoter wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2016 at 6:41am:

How can one not despise those who offer platitudes after these atrocities? If they were honest, they would say, "Sorry, we are defenseless against these attacks." That would probably not be diplomatic, but they don't have to insult us with requests to turn the other cheek, when they will never be in the crowd that is mowed down.

Good intelligence would stop most attacks.
In this case the security services dropped the ball.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2016 at 7:09pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 2:32pm: Frank wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 1:09pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 8:23am: Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 10:05pm: Well, if they can fly planes into our buildings and drive trucks into our civilians we can bomb them back to hell. except that we were bombing them long before any planes flew into any buildings. Really? When? pretty much the last 50 yrs. In Osama Bin Laden's November 2002 "Letter to America",[5][6] he explicitly stated that al-Qaeda's motives for their attacks include: Western support for attacking Muslims in Somalia, supporting Russian atrocities against Muslims in Chechnya, supporting the Indian oppression against Muslims in Kashmir, the Jewish aggression against Muslims in Lebanon, the presence of US troops in Saudi Arabia,[6][7][8] US support of Israel,[9][10] and sanctions against Iraq.[1 But why attack Germany? They have helped the refugees.

Because they don't give a crap about your borders ... Germany is just as good as France or England. 

http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r589/duadmin/161222-i-have-the-greatest-and-best-memory_zpsdeqac2m9.jpg

John Smith wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2016 at 8:04am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 7:09pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 2:32pm: Frank wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 1:09pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 8:23am: Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 10:05pm: Well, if they can fly planes into our buildings and drive trucks into our civilians we can bomb them back to hell. except that we were bombing them long before any planes flew into any buildings. Really? When? pretty much the last 50 yrs. In Osama Bin Laden's November 2002 "Letter to America",[5][6] he explicitly stated that al-Qaeda's motives for their attacks include: Western support for attacking Muslims in Somalia, supporting Russian atrocities against Muslims in Chechnya, supporting the Indian oppression against Muslims in Kashmir, the Jewish aggression against Muslims in Lebanon, the presence of US troops in Saudi Arabia,[6][7][8] US support of Israel,[9][10] and sanctions against Iraq.[1 But why attack Germany? They have helped the refugees. Because they don't give a crap about your borders ... Germany is just as good as France or England.

Which is why the rag heads should never be trusted or allowed into your country.

They are just violent sociopaths using a fkked up religion as an excuse.

At the very first sign they are not who they seem, the entire family should be deported, without recourse.

John Smith wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2016 at 2:32pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 1:09pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 8:23am: Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 10:05pm: Well, if they can fly planes into our buildings and drive trucks into our civilians we can bomb them back to hell. except that we were bombing them long before any planes flew into any buildings. Really? When? pretty much the last 50 yrs. In Osama Bin Laden's November 2002 "Letter to America",[5][6] he explicitly stated that al-Qaeda's motives for their attacks include: Western support for attacking Muslims in Somalia, supporting Russian atrocities against Muslims in Chechnya, supporting the Indian oppression against Muslims in Kashmir, the Jewish aggression against Muslims in Lebanon, the presence of US troops in Saudi Arabia,[6][7][8] US support of Israel,[9][10] and sanctions against Iraq.[1

;D ;D ;D ;D

Supporting the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan against Russians, supporting the Bosnian Muslims against the Serbians. Liberating Kuwait from Iraqi invasion (which is why Western troops were in Saudi), etc, etc.

The Muslim are always sooks about perceived slights. Any excuse will do for global jihad.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2016 at 10:36pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 10:31pm: It wasn't a mistake. They meant to kill him. It was criminal negligence. The police were in a state of hysteria - they thought he had a bomb on him that he could trigger with a button. It was a tragic mistake.

Seven bullets in the head is not a mistake. Its deliberate.

So, you contend that Brazilian electricians in London all carry bombs?

Bobby. wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2016 at 10:36pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 10:31pm: It wasn't a mistake. They meant to kill him. It was criminal negligence. The police were in a state of hysteria - they thought he had a bomb on him that he could trigger with a button. It was a tragic mistake.

The cops lied. They are just incompetent plods.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1496382/Shot-Brazilian-did-not-jump-barrier-and-run.html


Quote:

The Brazilian electrician shot dead by police on the London Underground last month was being restrained when he was killed by officers from Scotland Yard's firearms unit, according to documents leaked last night. Jean Charles de Menezes, 27, was shot seven times in the head by two plainclothes policemen who had followed him on to the train at Stockwell station in the mistaken belief that he was a potential suicide bomber. Documents and photographs leaked to ITV News also confirmed that Mr de Menezes did not run from the police, as had been reported, had used his Tube pass to enter the station, rather than vault the barrier, and had taken a seat on the train before being grabbed by an officer. He was wearing a light denim jacket and not as previously reported a padded coat which could have concealed explosives. The documents, which contain witness statements made to the Independent Police Complaints Commission, also suggest that the intelligence operation may have been botched because an officer watching a flat believed to be the hideout of one of the suspects in the abortive July 21 attack was "relieving himself".

I see this thread is full of the usual apologists - Hammer, Yadda, Baron, Fireball, Sprint, Bogie, et al. - making excuses for the murderer.

I unconditionally and resolutely condemn the actions of this murderer, while these apologists continue to shift the blame.

Typical.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2016 at 11:54am:

I see this thread is full of the usual apologists - Hammer, Yadda, Baron, Fireball, Sprint, Bogie, et al. - making excuses for the murderer. I unconditionally and resolutely condemn the actions of this murderer, while these apologists continue to shift the blame. Typical.

Thought there was a nasty smell.........haemorrhoid they have established this piece of sh!t, the jihadi muslim you are protecting, is linked to ISIS.

The only 'apologist' here is you......you prick!

Fuzzball wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2016 at 12:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 23rd, 2016 at 11:54am: I see this thread is full of the usual apologists - Hammer, Yadda, Baron, Fireball, Sprint, Bogie, et al. - making excuses for the murderer. I unconditionally and resolutely condemn the actions of this murderer, while these apologists continue to shift the blame. Typical. Thought there was a nasty smell.........haemorrhoid they have established this piece of sh!t, the jihadi muslim you are protecting, is linked to ISIS.

Apologist.

Unforgiven wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2016 at 11:23am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 10:36pm: Unforgiven wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 10:31pm: It wasn't a mistake. They meant to kill him. It was criminal negligence. The police were in a state of hysteria - they thought he had a bomb on him that he could trigger with a button. It was a tragic mistake. The cops lied. They are just incompetent plods. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1496382/Shot-Brazilian-did-not-jump-barrier-and-run.html Quote: The Brazilian electrician shot dead by police on the London Underground last month was being restrained when he was killed by officers from Scotland Yard's firearms unit, according to documents leaked last night. Jean Charles de Menezes, 27, was shot seven times in the head by two plainclothes policemen who had followed him on to the train at Stockwell station in the mistaken belief that he was a potential suicide bomber. Documents and photographs leaked to ITV News also confirmed that Mr de Menezes did not run from the police, as had been reported, had used his Tube pass to enter the station, rather than vault the barrier, and had taken a seat on the train before being grabbed by an officer. He was wearing a light denim jacket and not as previously reported a padded coat which could have concealed explosives. The documents, which contain witness statements made to the Independent Police Complaints Commission, also suggest that the intelligence operation may have been botched because an officer watching a flat believed to be the hideout of one of the suspects in the abortive July 21 attack was "relieving himself".

The police were in a state of hysteria -

they thought he had a bomb on him that he could trigger with a button.

It was a tragic mistake.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2016 at 11:54am:

I unconditionally and resolutely condemn the actions of this murderer, while these apologists continue to shift the blame. Typical.

How is the identification of motives blame shifting? Can you explain?

Frank wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2016 at 12:55pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 23rd, 2016 at 11:54am: I unconditionally and resolutely condemn the actions of this murderer, while these apologists continue to shift the blame. Typical. How is the identification of motives blame shifting? Can you explain?

Apologist.

Even the liberal press is starting to ask real questions.

Der Spiegel:

Even if the picture isn't complete here yet, what this case is hinting at could be far graver than even the bad series of failures connected with the investigation into Jaber Albakr, a Syrian with refugee status who had planned a bombing attack on a Berlin Airport and then killed himself in October during pre-trial detention in a Dresden jail. The overall image would be devastating, underscoring as it would the helplessness of German authorities in how they handle the problem of dangerous Islamists and the inability of the immigration authorities to determine the kind of people they are dealing with and keep track of their whereabouts.

At least they killed the Berlin terrorist in Italy.