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Message started by Raven on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 12:34am

Title: Trump inauguration speech fact check
Post by Raven on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 12:34am
Generally, inaugural addresses are not designed to be fact-checked. But President Trump’s address was nothing if not unique, presenting a portrait of the United States that often was at variance with reality. Here’s a guide to understanding whether the facts back up his rhetoric.


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Washington flourished, but the people did not share in its wealth. Politicians prospered, but the jobs left and the factories closed.


Trump engages in some sleight of hand here, equating “politicians” with “Washington.” The suburbs around Washington are among the richest in the United States, largely because of the federal government (which attracts people with college or advanced degrees). People either work for or lobby the federal government, and that was especially enhanced by the post-9/11 growth in defense and security contracts.

Among the 25 most populous metropolitan areas, the D.C. metro area has the highest median income in the nation — $93,294 versus a U.S. median of $55,775 — though growth has slowed in recent years, in part because of reductions in defense spending. Indeed, income in the D.C. area has grown essentially at the same rate as the rest of the nation since 2006, including a dip in median income during the Great Recession.

There is no empirical evidence that the D.C. area got rich off the rest of the country, as Trump suggests.


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You came by the tens of millions to become part of a historic movement, the likes of which the world has never seen before.


No matter how you measure it, the “movement” was not as historic as Trump proclaims it to be. Trump is a minority president, in terms of the popular vote. He lost the popular vote by nearly 2.9 million votes to Hillary Clinton. Clinton had the largest popular vote margin of any losing presidential candidate, according to an analysis by the Associated Press.

Trump’s electoral college win, meanwhile, was a squeaker. Trump had narrow victories in three key states (and narrow losses in two others). He won Michigan by 10,704 votes, Wisconsin by 22,177 votes and Pennsylvania by 46,435 votes. So if 39,659 voters in those states had switched their votes, 46 electoral votes would have flipped to Clinton — and she would have won 278-260.

Overall, according to a tally by John Pitney of Claremont McKenna College, Trump ranks 46th out of 58 electoral college results.


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Mothers and children trapped in poverty in our inner cities … and the crime and the gangs and the drugs that have stolen too many lives and robbed our country of so much unrealized potential. This American carnage stops right here and stops right now.


Trump repeats a problematic talking point about crime and poverty in “inner cities.” It’s unclear what he means by “inner cities,” which is not a category by which crime or poverty is measured.

In 2015, 13 percent of people lived below poverty level inside metropolitan statistical areas, according to census data. That is on par with the national poverty rate in 2015, which was 13.5 percent. Overall, the poverty rate has remained relatively flat under Obama.

Violence and property crimes overall have been declining for about two decades, and are far below rates seen one or two decades ago. Homicides have spiked in major cities in 2015 and 2016, but the rates remain far below their peak in the late 1980s and early 1990s.


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For many decades, we’ve enriched foreign industry at the expense of American industry; subsidized the armies of other countries, while allowing for the very sad depletion of our military.


Trump mixes up several things here. He seems to be referring to free-trade agreements in the first part of his sentence, though he ignores the fact that many U.S. industries also benefit and grow when they are able to sell products overseas.

As for subsidizing the armies of other countries, Trump appears to be referring to military bases that the United States has overseas. A 2013 Senate report found that the United States spent $10 billion a year on bases abroad, with 70 percent focused on three countries — Germany, South Korea and Japan. Germany is the center of European defense obligations, while the troops in Japan are the core of U.S. projection of power in Asia. The troops in Korea deter an attack by North Korea. Given a defense budget of more than $500 billion, the cost of maintaining these bases is a mere pittance.

The United States doles out about $6 billion a year in foreign military financing, with most of it going to just two countries: Israel and Egypt. But this money comes with a catch — most of it must be spent on U.S. hardware, creating jobs for Americans.

As for the “very sad depletion” of the U.S. military, this is hyper-exaggeration. One can argue about whether the military budget should be boosted, but there is no question that the U.S. military is stronger and more capable than any other nation’s. The website Globalfirepower.com ranks countries based on 45 factors, and the United States tops the charts. Here’s one small statistic: The United States has 19 aircraft carriers, as of the end of last year; no other country has more than four.


Title: Re: Trump inauguration speech fact check
Post by Raven on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 12:43am

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[We’ve] spent trillions and trillions of dollars overseas while America’s infrastructure has fallen into disrepair and decay. We’ve made other countries rich, while the wealth, strength and confidence of our country has dissipated over the horizon.


Trump appears to be referring to U.S. involvement in military adventures, such as the 2003 Iraq invasion he supported, and possibly foreign aid.

Foreign aid amounts to less than 1 percent of the U.S. budget, with about $18 billion going to economic and development aid and $8 billion for security assistance. Even the Marshall Plan advanced by President Harry S. Truman, designed to stabilize Europe after World War II, was only a little over $100 billion in today’s dollars.

So Trump only gets to “trillions and trillions of dollars” by including wars. The Iraq war is estimated to have cost $1.7 trillion through 2013, though one estimate says that the cost will rise to $6 trillion through 2053, primarily from paying the interest on the debt incurred to wage the war because the Bush administration chose not to raise the taxes to pay for it. But we doubt Iraqis would say the war made the country “rich.”

Contrary to Trump’s rhetoric, the United States is far wealthier than other nations. According to the International Monetary Fund, the United States has a gross domestic product of $18 trillion, one-third larger than that of China, the nearest rival and a frequent target of Trump’s attacks.

A Pew Research Center analysis found that the vast majority of Americans are either upper-middle income or high income; many Americans who are classified as “poor” by the U.S. government would be middle income globally.


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One by one, the factories shuttered and left our shores, with not even a thought about the millions and millions of American workers that were left behind. The wealth of our middle class has been ripped from their homes and then redistributed all across the world.


Trump again engages in hyperbole, attributing all of the decline in manufacturing to foreign trade. The number of U.S. workers engaged in manufacturing is now about 12.3 million, up from 11.5 million in 2010, after the Great Recession hurt many manufacturers. But that’s still a decline from about 17 million in the 1990s.

Some analysts calculate that between 1 million and 2 million U.S. jobs were lost after China was admitted to the World Trade Organization in 2000. But economists believe the biggest factor in the decline in manufacturing is automation, not jobs going overseas. Another factor is decreased consumer spending on manufactured goods. A new report by the Congressional Research Service notes that “employment in manufacturing has fallen in most major manufacturing countries over the past quarter-century,” so the U.S. experience is not unusual.

Meanwhile, the official unemployment rate is 4.7 percent, down from a high of 10 percent in the aftermath of the Great Recession of 2007-2009. Jobs have been added for a record 75 months.


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We must protect our borders from the ravages of other countries making our products, stealing our companies and destroying our jobs.


Trump continues to attack companies that ship jobs overseas, and has promised to keep jobs in the United States. But Trump has had a long history of outsourcing a variety of his products as a businessman, and he has acknowledged doing so.

There are at least 12 countries where Trump products were manufactured. Further, Trump products transited other countries through the packaging and shipping process — meaning that workers in more than 12 countries contributed to getting many of Trump’s products made, packaged and delivered to the United States.


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We will get our people off of welfare and back to work, rebuilding our country with American hands and American labor.


“Welfare” is a broad term and can apply to people who are working but receiving some government assistance. If someone is receiving means-tested assistance, it doesn’t necessarily mean they are not working.

Not all people eligible for welfare collect benefits. When they do, many of the benefits are contingent on the recipients working or actively searching for jobs, as a result of an overhaul of welfare signed into law by President Bill Clinton in 1996. And even low-income families receive some level of public assistance.

According to the 2012 U.S. Census, about 23 percent of U.S. households with at least one person with a job received means-tested benefits.

Meanwhile, Trump is apparently unaware that participation has declined in means-tested programs such as Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) and the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP, formerly known as food stamps).

Caseloads in the TANF program have declined over the past 15 years, from about 2.4 million families to 1.6 million families. After its post-recession peak in 2013, the number of people receiving food stamps has declined. In October 2016, there were 43.2 million people participating in the program, compared to 47 million in October 2013.

Title: Re: Trump inauguration speech fact check
Post by Bias_2012 on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 1:18am
Did you want Trump to make a speech 500 pages long Raven?

Title: Re: Trump inauguration speech fact check
Post by Karnal on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 2:21am
Brilliant post, Raven. Genius statistics. Trump has told porkies about a number of those statistics - and let's not forget his howler on black crime.

Trump could tell a compelling story about how certain businesses in the US profit from all those trillions spent on the military, but he won't. He could captivate people by talking about how global trade is dominated by the US, but how little of it gets passed down to working Americans - not to mention the stiffs in the developing world. Trump won't tell the truth because his friends - and his administration - profit from this.

Trump himself has paid no taxes for the past decade, and he loves to have a chuckle over this. If Trump could focus on the declining tax revenue and repairing the bulging deficit, he may have some hope in making Amerika great again. Instead, he plans to give corporations a 50% tax cut.

These aren't secrets, but they've been kept mum for the campaign. Amerika talked about email servers and grabbing pussies while Trump got away with hiding the details, or stumbling over them when asked, which was rare.

Trump can't possibly make Amerika great again, but that's never been his purpose. He's achieved that.

Now watch as corporate Amerika plunders the country while Trump gets his revenge on Twitter.

Title: Re: Trump inauguration speech fact check
Post by Raven on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 3:04am
It's staggering to see how people fell for his spiel Karnal.

He ran on anti-establishment, "drain the swamp."

Appoints establishment people to his cabinet. If average Americans (or certain posters on OzPol) think they are going to destroy the system that made them billions then they are on drugs.

Now he just was sworn in so let's give his administration the benefit of the doubt.

That said, he refused to divest ownership of his businesses, owes the Bank of "Jhina" hundreds of millions of dollars, can't help himself on twitter...

Raven wouldn't be surprised if President Pence was the the one contesting the 2020 election

Title: Re: Trump inauguration speech fact check
Post by Marla on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 5:38am
You know the homoerotic-worshipping Trumptards are going to love this.

Trump's entire Trump bullshit chauvinistic speech hinged itself on the claim that “The wealth of our middle class has been ripped from their homes and then redistributed all across the world.” Not true! The wealth produced by working people has indeed been stolen and “redistributed..."

In reality, the "wealth of the American people" has been illegally seized by capitalist such as himself and corrupt financial aristocrats many of which lie in his joke of a administrative cabinet.



Hitler knew well how to bullshit. How to blame the Jews, not capitalists for every devastating consequences that devastated the economy. Hitler knew well of the profit system that produced the Great Depression. Trump’s lying big utilizes a different scapegoat to divert popular anger over the economic crisis by implementing the same false and reactionary rhetoric.  And like Hitler, Trump is pushing for the expansion of American militarism to find a violent solution to each and every problem the long-term economic decay of the United States offers.

Trump’s speech was the language and vocabulary of fascism.

World War III is right around the corner.

Title: Re: Trump inauguration speech fact check
Post by The Mechanic on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 7:12am
what an absolute load of Garbage...

we all know what trump was on about...

how the Rich Elite in DC got richer and the rest of the county got poorer...

its true 100%

and yes... we came by the tens of Millions...

the whole world has been engaged... I've been with them, Sprint has been with them... groggy has been with them and the rest of you writing on this forum have travelled this journey to the Presidency for months....


all of us..

hell... I was in a cafe yesterday having a coffee and reading the paper of the Trump inauguration...

my Granddaughter was sitting on the other side of the table then she looked at the paper and said..

"the president of the United States" (she is 6 years old) and an excellent reader but I was surprised she read that upside down...  :o

I said to her... where did you read that?

she points to the picture of Donald J Trump and says... - "thats Donald Trump... he's the American President"  :o

so yeah... 10s of millions have been with Trump on this journey...

the butthurt loses can twist things however they want... but it won't change the facts...

Title: Re: Trump inauguration speech fact check
Post by Dnarever on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 7:23am

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 1:18am:
Did you want Trump to make a speech 500 pages long Raven?


He could have used the same amount of words but told the truth ?

Title: Re: Trump inauguration speech fact check
Post by Dnarever on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 7:25am

Raven wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 3:04am:
It's staggering to see how people fell for his spiel Karnal.

He ran on anti-establishment, "drain the swamp."

Appoints establishment people to his cabinet. If average Americans (or certain posters on OzPol) think they are going to destroy the system that made them billions then they are on drugs.

Now he just was sworn in so let's give his administration the benefit of the doubt.

That said, he refused to divest ownership of his businesses, owes the Bank of "Jhina" hundreds of millions of dollars, can't help himself on twitter...

Raven wouldn't be surprised if President Pence was the the one contesting the 2020 election


He ran on anti-establishment

Trump is the biggest establishment guy in Washington, he has always been part of the establishment.

Title: Re: Trump inauguration speech fact check
Post by Dnarever on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 7:30am
You have to ask the question was Trump lying or does he really believe the stuff he makes up ?

In other words is it better for the USA if he is dishonest or delusional ?

Title: Re: Trump inauguration speech fact check
Post by Fireball on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 7:41am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 7:30am:
You have to ask the question was Trump lying or does he really believe the stuff he makes up ?

In other words is it better for the USA if he is dishonest or delusional ?


That's your (misguided) opinion Mr Puddle-Duck. You leftards can't even wait until he gets into Office before you deride him and his appointment as POTUS. Your not even a fvvking yank, just a gob-shite.....

Title: Re: Trump inauguration speech fact check
Post by Dnarever on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 7:48am

Fuzzball wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 7:41am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 7:30am:
You have to ask the question was Trump lying or does he really believe the stuff he makes up ?

In other words is it better for the USA if he is dishonest or delusional ?


That's your (misguided) opinion Mr Puddle-Duck. You leftards can't even wait until he gets into Office before you deride him and his appointment as POTUS. Your not even a fvvking yank, just a gob-shite.....


Well he clearly said a lot of things that are not correct ?

Does he believe them or does he know that what he is saying is untrue is the question ?

It isn't my opinion fact check finds that the facts he quotes are not correct. It is known that about 75% of what he said during the campaign was not true and now we know that much of his acceptance speech was based on untruths.

The question is he dishonest or delusional stands as valid ?

Title: Re: Trump inauguration speech fact check
Post by John Smith on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 8:39am
Trump inauguration speech fact check

I find that it is far easier to assume that anything that comes from trumps mouth is a lie ... more often than not, you'll be correct

Title: Re: Trump inauguration speech fact check
Post by Karnal on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:26am

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 7:12am:
what an absolute load of Garbage...

we all know what trump was on about...

how the Rich Elite in DC got richer and the rest of the county got poorer...

its true 100%

and yes... we came by the tens of Millions...

the whole world has been engaged... I've been with them, Sprint has been with them... groggy has been with them and the rest of you writing on this forum have travelled this journey to the Presidency for months....


all of us..

hell... I was in a cafe yesterday having a coffee and reading the paper of the Trump inauguration...

my Granddaughter was sitting on the other side of the table then she looked at the paper and said..

"the president of the United States" (she is 6 years old) and an excellent reader but I was surprised she read that upside down...  :o

I said to her... where did you read that?

she points to the picture of Donald J Trump and says... - "thats Donald Trump... he's the American President"  :o

so yeah... 10s of millions have been with Trump on this journey...

the butthurt loses can twist things however they want... but it won't change the facts...


Yes, Mechanic, now Trump's in, the job's done, eh?

Title: Re: Trump inauguration speech fact check
Post by Karnal on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:36am

Marla wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 5:38am:
You know the homoerotic-worshipping Trumptards are going to love this.

Trump's entire Trump bullshit chauvinistic speech hinged itself on the claim that “The wealth of our middle class has been ripped from their homes and then redistributed all across the world.” Not true! The wealth produced by working people has indeed been stolen and “redistributed..."

In reality, the "wealth of the American people" has been illegally seized by capitalist such as himself and corrupt financial aristocrats many of which lie in his joke of a administrative cabinet.



Hitler knew well how to bullshit. How to blame the Jews, not capitalists for every devastating consequences that devastated the economy. Hitler knew well of the profit system that produced the Great Depression. Trump’s lying big utilizes a different scapegoat to divert popular anger over the economic crisis by implementing the same false and reactionary rhetoric.  And like Hitler, Trump is pushing for the expansion of American militarism to find a violent solution to each and every problem the long-term economic decay of the United States offers.

Trump’s speech was the language and vocabulary of fascism.

World War III is right around the corner.



The biggest lie of all is that Amerika is getting ripped off by the rest of the world. Instead, it pretty much runs the WTO, and gets everything it wants in trade negotiations. It has the largest agriculture subsidies of any country, the most dubious patents, and some highly suspect trade practices. How Trump could make the US any more self-interested is too scary to think about.

Title: Re: Trump inauguration speech fact check
Post by Frank on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 11:04am
Prior to President Trump's inaugural address, the media was predicting that the speech would be conciliatory,  healing and humble. Maybe another "compassionate conservative" type of speech.

Wrong.

President Trump punked the media with a passionate speech that included the following themes:

1. America First
2. Damning Washington D.C. politicians
3. The need to keep jobs in America
4. That he will eradicate "radical" Islam.

It was a masterful performance. This will be an interesting four years.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol46dU1W87s

Title: Re: Trump inauguration speech fact check
Post by Frank on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 11:05am

Karnal wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:36am:
The biggest lie of all is that Amerika is getting ripped off by the rest of the world. Instead, it pretty much runs the WTO, and gets everything it wants in trade negotiations. It has the largest agriculture subsidies of any country, the most dubious patents, and some highly suspect trade practices. How Trump could make the US any more self-interested is too scary to think about.



Good to see you triggered.

;D

Title: Re: Trump inauguration speech fact check
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 11:10am

Frank wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 11:04am:
Prior to President Trump's inaugural address, the media was predicting that the speech would be conciliatory,  healing and humble. Maybe another "compassionate conservative" type of speech.

Wrong.

President Trump punked the media with a passionate speech that included the following themes:

1. America First
2. Damning Washington D.C. politicians
3. The need to keep jobs in America
4. That he will eradicate "radical" Islam.

It was a masterful performance. This will be an interesting four years.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol46dU1W87s


And disease.  Don't forget disease, old boy.

Trumpy Wumpy's gonna eradicate all disease.

Americans won't need health care any more, so that'll get him off the hook for at least one of his lies promises.

Cunning.

Title: Re: Trump inauguration speech fact check
Post by miketrees on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 11:10am



What is wrong with you people?

You get outraged when a politician lies.

You really should be accustomed to it by now.

Lies, half truths, evasions are the stock and trade of politicians of all spectrums of politics.

Because the average Joe and Josephine are too stupid to accept the truth.

This is the weakness of democracies

Title: Re: Trump inauguration speech fact check
Post by cods on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 11:17am

Karnal wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:36am:

Marla wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 5:38am:
You know the homoerotic-worshipping Trumptards are going to love this.

Trump's entire Trump bullshit chauvinistic speech hinged itself on the claim that “The wealth of our middle class has been ripped from their homes and then redistributed all across the world.” Not true! The wealth produced by working people has indeed been stolen and “redistributed..."

In reality, the "wealth of the American people" has been illegally seized by capitalist such as himself and corrupt financial aristocrats many of which lie in his joke of a administrative cabinet.



Hitler knew well how to bullshit. How to blame the Jews, not capitalists for every devastating consequences that devastated the economy. Hitler knew well of the profit system that produced the Great Depression. Trump’s lying big utilizes a different scapegoat to divert popular anger over the economic crisis by implementing the same false and reactionary rhetoric.  And like Hitler, Trump is pushing for the expansion of American militarism to find a violent solution to each and every problem the long-term economic decay of the United States offers.

Trump’s speech was the language and vocabulary of fascism.

World War III is right around the corner.



The biggest lie of all is that Amerika is getting ripped off by the rest of the world. Instead, it pretty much runs the WTO, and gets everything it wants in trade negotiations. It has the largest agriculture subsidies of any country, the most dubious patents, and some highly suspect trade practices. How Trump could make the US any more self-interested is too scary to think about.



WHY?... he claims he is looking after Jobs in AMerica for Americans..

you no like?.

as far as I am concerned.. give him a chance see what he does..

but so far all I see is some kind of creepy clairvoyance.... where they are telling us whats happened.. in the future..


no not what they think will happen..

it has happened...

its the only thing that explains this madness of bizarre behaviour....I mean whats it got to do with British Women.for gods sakes...????????

Title: Re: Trump inauguration speech fact check
Post by lee on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 11:29am

Marla wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 5:38am:
In reality, the "wealth of the American people" has been illegally seized by capitalist such as himself and corrupt financial aristocrats



You mean like Soros, Rockefeller's etc?

Title: Re: Trump inauguration speech fact check
Post by Karnal on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 11:39am

Frank wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 11:05am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:36am:
The biggest lie of all is that Amerika is getting ripped off by the rest of the world. Instead, it pretty much runs the WTO, and gets everything it wants in trade negotiations. It has the largest agriculture subsidies of any country, the most dubious patents, and some highly suspect trade practices. How Trump could make the US any more self-interested is too scary to think about.



Good to see you triggered.

;D


Not too good for Australia, old chap, but you always did like Danish, didn't you?

Title: Re: Trump inauguration speech fact check
Post by Karnal on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 11:48am

cods wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 11:17am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:36am:

Marla wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 5:38am:
You know the homoerotic-worshipping Trumptards are going to love this.

Trump's entire Trump bullshit chauvinistic speech hinged itself on the claim that “The wealth of our middle class has been ripped from their homes and then redistributed all across the world.” Not true! The wealth produced by working people has indeed been stolen and “redistributed..."

In reality, the "wealth of the American people" has been illegally seized by capitalist such as himself and corrupt financial aristocrats many of which lie in his joke of a administrative cabinet.



Hitler knew well how to bullshit. How to blame the Jews, not capitalists for every devastating consequences that devastated the economy. Hitler knew well of the profit system that produced the Great Depression. Trump’s lying big utilizes a different scapegoat to divert popular anger over the economic crisis by implementing the same false and reactionary rhetoric.  And like Hitler, Trump is pushing for the expansion of American militarism to find a violent solution to each and every problem the long-term economic decay of the United States offers.

Trump’s speech was the language and vocabulary of fascism.

World War III is right around the corner.



The biggest lie of all is that Amerika is getting ripped off by the rest of the world. Instead, it pretty much runs the WTO, and gets everything it wants in trade negotiations. It has the largest agriculture subsidies of any country, the most dubious patents, and some highly suspect trade practices. How Trump could make the US any more self-interested is too scary to think about.



WHY?... he claims he is looking after Jobs in AMerica for Americans..

you no like?.

as far as I am concerned.. give him a chance see what he does..

but so far all I see is some kind of creepy clairvoyance.... where they are telling us whats happened.. in the future..


no not what they think will happen..

it has happened...

its the only thing that explains this madness of bizarre behaviour....I mean whats it got to do with British Women.for gods sakes...????????


No, dear, I no like. The only power Trump has to create manufacturing jobs in Amerika is to restart the arms race.

Trump has no such plans. Read his policies. Trump can't possibly return Amerika to the 1970s. The US doesn't work that way now.

We are about to witness unprecedented plundering of US wealth by a new crowd of Trump cronies. Trump doesn't salute Putin for nothing. Putin and his oligarchs are the model for Trump's presidency.

This is not in the US' favour, and it's definitely not in ours.

Title: Re: Trump inauguration speech fact check
Post by lee on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 12:34pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 11:48am:
We are about to witness unprecedented plundering of US wealth by a new crowd of Trump cronies.



As opposed to unprecedented plundering by Clinton/Obama cronies? ;)

Title: Re: Trump inauguration speech fact check
Post by Karnal on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 1:06pm

lee wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 12:34pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 11:48am:
We are about to witness unprecedented plundering of US wealth by a new crowd of Trump cronies.



As opposed to unprecedented plundering by Clinton/Obama cronies? ;)


No, Lee, as opposed to the Bush/Cheney/Halliburton/Saudi administration.

Amerika has seen nothing yet.

Title: Re: Trump inauguration speech fact check
Post by Frank on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 8:45pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 11:39am:

Frank wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 11:05am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:36am:
The biggest lie of all is that Amerika is getting ripped off by the rest of the world. Instead, it pretty much runs the WTO, and gets everything it wants in trade negotiations. It has the largest agriculture subsidies of any country, the most dubious patents, and some highly suspect trade practices. How Trump could make the US any more self-interested is too scary to think about.



Good to see you triggered.

;D


Not too good for Australia, old chap, but you always did like Danish, didn't you?



How is it not good for Australia?  Have we been taking American jobs? Is our trade deal with the US advantageous to us but disadvantageous to them? How? Because only then will it change.

SHow us how the US has been disadvantaged in its dealings with Australia and then you might have a point. Until then you are just engaging in empty speculation, as you have been for years.




ANother thing - all those protesters against trump want all sorts of diversity as long as it is not diversity of views. A diversity of views they cal 'divisive'.

It's like the Green/Lefties (actually, the same people) who are all for conservation as long as it is not conservation of social values - that to them is conservatism, a very bad thing.


Title: Re: Trump inauguration speech fact check
Post by Frank on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:27pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 11:48am:

cods wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 11:17am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 10:36am:

Marla wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 5:38am:
You know the homoerotic-worshipping Trumptards are going to love this.

Trump's entire Trump bullshit chauvinistic speech hinged itself on the claim that “The wealth of our middle class has been ripped from their homes and then redistributed all across the world.” Not true! The wealth produced by working people has indeed been stolen and “redistributed..."

In reality, the "wealth of the American people" has been illegally seized by capitalist such as himself and corrupt financial aristocrats many of which lie in his joke of a administrative cabinet.



Hitler knew well how to bullshit. How to blame the Jews, not capitalists for every devastating consequences that devastated the economy. Hitler knew well of the profit system that produced the Great Depression. Trump’s lying big utilizes a different scapegoat to divert popular anger over the economic crisis by implementing the same false and reactionary rhetoric.  And like Hitler, Trump is pushing for the expansion of American militarism to find a violent solution to each and every problem the long-term economic decay of the United States offers.

Trump’s speech was the language and vocabulary of fascism.

World War III is right around the corner.



The biggest lie of all is that Amerika is getting ripped off by the rest of the world. Instead, it pretty much runs the WTO, and gets everything it wants in trade negotiations. It has the largest agriculture subsidies of any country, the most dubious patents, and some highly suspect trade practices. How Trump could make the US any more self-interested is too scary to think about.



WHY?... he claims he is looking after Jobs in AMerica for Americans..

you no like?.

as far as I am concerned.. give him a chance see what he does..

but so far all I see is some kind of creepy clairvoyance.... where they are telling us whats happened.. in the future..


no not what they think will happen..

it has happened...

its the only thing that explains this madness of bizarre behaviour....I mean whats it got to do with British Women.for gods sakes...????????


No, dear, I no like. The only power Trump has to create manufacturing jobs in Amerika is to restart the arms race.

Trump has no such plans. Read his policies. Trump can't possibly return Amerika to the 1970s. The US doesn't work that way now.

We are about to witness unprecedented plundering of US wealth by a new crowd of Trump cronies. Trump doesn't salute Putin for nothing. Putin and his oligarchs are the model for Trump's presidency.

This is not in the US' favour, and it's definitely not in ours.



Infrastructure.

Buy American and hire American.

Title: Re: Trump inauguration speech fact check
Post by Karnal on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 11:05pm
And not Danish?

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