Just when you thought Islam could not sink any lower. Now they are using babies in suicide attacks. Those dumbass unbelievers will never believe a mother could do such a thing. God is Great!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-38725976

In ISLAM, every moslem, is a lawful potential combatant.


IMAGE.....
http://d3lp4xedbqa8a5.cloudfront.net/s3/digital-cougar-assets/AWW/2017/01/19/30411/hero.jpg


Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1484778259/0#0

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IMAGE..... http://d3lp4xedbqa8a5.cloudfront.net/s3/digital-cougar-assets/AWW/2017/01/19/30411/hero.jpg These children are BATTLEFIELD combatants, in Allah's war against unbelief. It is ISLAM which regards these children as legitimate BATTLEFIELD combatants, in Allah's war against unbelief. That, is not a rash claim that i make. That, is what ISLAM declares. That is what the precepts, tenets, doctrines, and law of ISLAM, declare. Legitimate BATTLEFIELD combatants, is how ISLAM regards every man, woman and child, who says; "I am a moslem."

I want moslems, to die for their god.






Quote:

Hamas spokesman's declares [on 29-July-2014] that Hamas is winning!!!! "Today....the soldiers of God [Hamas]...yearn to die for Allah....[we, our Hamas soldiers] race toward martyrdom..."

Google

Every moslem, wants to die for Allah's glorious faith.

Every moslem, wants to sacrifice his life for Allah's glorious faith.





I too, want moslems, to die for their god.

Win, win !!!!!!




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Repeat after me,
"ISLAM - IS A DEATH CULT."

"......in the words of Islamism's most influential thinker, Sayyid Qutb,
....."the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood." "
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8802-2243871,00.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayyid_Qutb




Repeat after me,
"ISLAM - IS A DEATH CULT."

"We love death. The US loves life. That is the difference between us two."
Osama bin Laden, November 2001
Google




Repeat after me,
"ISLAM - IS A DEATH CULT."

"The Jews love life,.....they love life and we love death."
Hezbollah’s Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah
Google




Repeat after me,
"ISLAM - IS A DEATH CULT."

"We're talking about people [muslims] who like to die, the way, you [unbelievers] like to live."
Abu Izzadeen - UK cleric, July, 2006
http://www.islam-watch.org/AdrianMorgan/Izzadin_Sharia_conquer_infidel2.htm
Google




Repeat after me,
"ISLAM - IS A DEATH CULT."

25 May 2007
"......Al-Faisal spent years travelling the UK preaching racial hatred urging his audience to kill Jews, Hindus and Westerners.
......But throughout the trial he denied he had intended to incite people to violence.
......he argued his talks came from the Koran and if he was on trial so was the holy text."
Google




Repeat after me,
"ISLAM - IS A DEATH CULT.
.....And i am an ISLAMIST dupe.
.....And yet, i am happy to act as an apologist for HOMICIDAL MANIACS, because they constantly assure me that they really are my friends."

February 5, 2008
70-year-old woman, convert from Islam to Christianity, burned to death in Bangladesh
....DHAKA, BANGLADESH (BosNewsLife)-- Christian villagers in a Muslim-majority area of Bangladesh on Tuesday, February 5, mourned the death of a 70-year-old woman who died from burns she suffered when a mob reportedly set her home ablaze as a punishment for converting from Islam to Christianity.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/019813.php



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To all you people who really, really are, the friends of wanna-be-murderers [who tell you that 'ISLAM is peace'].....
.....shame on you.






"The Koran is our constitution"
"The Prophet Muhammad is our leader"
"Jihad is our path"
"AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg







Quote:

The video...... Allah once again blesses the righteous moslems, and sends many of them to his paradise. The moslems are greatful - and in the video, you can hear many of the moslems praise Allah, again and again and again. Luckily, Allah be praised!, the bomb didn't take out the cameraman!       ;) Great camera work!!! Islamic Terrorist Funeral Gets An Unexpected Surprise Ending http://vimeo.com/101431610

Yadda wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 1:47pm:

Quote: Hamas spokesman's declares [on 29-July-2014] that Hamas is winning!!!! "Today....the soldiers of God [Hamas]...yearn to die for Allah....[we, our Hamas soldiers] race toward martyrdom..." Google Every moslem, wants to die for Allah's glorious faith. Every moslem, wants to sacrifice his life for Allah's glorious faith.

Moslem = = human sewage, imo.

......and we choose, to allow these people into Australia!!!!!!

Shame on YOU, Australia,     shame on YOU, Australian people!





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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1

Quote:

"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac" - Yadda QUESTION; What about the innocent moslems ? IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems. How so [logically] ? QUESTION; How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ? QUESTION; How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],      ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ? QUESTION; How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],     ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

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CRIMINAL INTENT, IN THE MOSLEM HEART
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1252898491/0#0

Quote:

Every moslem in Australia [and indeed, every moslem on the planet], by self declaring as a moslem, is self declaring a criminal intent [by our laws] against local non-moslems. ISLAM is a criminal compact among moslems, to wage a violent 'religious' war against non-moslems ['disbelievers']. .....Basically, fundamentally, all ISLAMIC doctrine translates as enmity, and encourages [criminal] violence, towards ALL non-moslems.

Have they been listening to Paul Simon?

the bomb in the baby carriage was wired to the radio


Prob not, they wouldn't like music, especially from a Hungarian Jew.

I wish somebody could turn Yadda into something nice.

Unforgiven wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 5:56pm:

I wish somebody could turn Yadda into something nice.

unforgettable,

Thank you, but i am 'something nice'.

I'm not a moslem.




Back to the babies and children.....


https://cdn.jihadwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/boko-haram1.jpg




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By Robert Spencer on Jan 24, 2017 10:54 am Austria: 12-year-old Muslim boy arrested as part of an Islamic jihad network “The youngster is said to have been radicalised by a so-called hate preacher…” Where were his parents? Did he go to a mosque? Why was the benign and peaceful Islam he was (we are supposed to believe) taught by his parents and local mosque not able to withstand or counter the blandishments of this “so-called hate preacher”? Why do authorities never ask such questions, or ponder their implications?

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/01/austria-12-year-old-muslim-boy-arrest-as-part-of-an-islamic-jihad-network



Google;
jihad child combatants, images

I hope they don't steal other peoples' babies    :'(

Black Orchid wrote on Jan 25^th, 2017 at 6:50pm:

I hope they don't steal other peoples' babies    :'(

Knowing teh ruthless character of moslems [towards those who are not moslems], the bomb makers probably run a child minding centre, for infidel babies.



Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1367633212/236#236

Quote:

I know of a hadith, were night fighting was condoned by Mohammed. His cadres questioned whether women and children may be killed, and Mohammed replied to the effect that the women and children [who may be killed] were 'of them' [the enemy]. i.e. Mohammed didn't care if women and children, who were 'of them', the enemy, died.

We have been watching this stuff from Islam for over twenty years now. One thing that even Islamophiles cannot deny is that it is getting worse. And every time there is another atrocity, our governments say "Be strong, don't let them intimidate you . . ." from behind their security guards and armour plate glass.

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 9:17am:

We have been watching this stuff from Islam for over twenty years now. One thing that even Islamophiles cannot deny is that it is getting worse. And every time there is another atrocity, our governments say "Be strong, don't let them intimidate you . . ." from behind their security guards and armour plate glass.

One of my clients, Aussie guy with Muslim Leb wife who is a child of 1970s migrants tells me in the last 10 years she's notice creeping Islamism and fundamentalism in her extended family.

Cousins are turning up to weddings in hijabs, chador and niqabs where the original generation wore nothing more than what could be mistaken as an Aussie granny scarf.

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 9:17am:

We have been watching this stuff from Islam for over twenty years now. One thing that even Islamophiles cannot deny is that it is getting worse. And every time there is another atrocity, our governments say "Be strong, don't let them intimidate you . . ." from behind their security guards and armour plate glass.

And your evidence for it, "getting worse" is, what exactly, Issuevoter?

I'm often interested in people making pronouncements like you without citing and evidential support for them.  "Everybody knows," doesn't cut it, you realise?

As far as I can tell from the evidence that I have seen - not the bullshit on the Islamophobic websites, Islamist extremism is on a mild increase.   Generally, political violence though, be it Islamist or otherwise, is on the decrease.   The number and the types of wars around the world have been decreasing since the 2000s, according to the UN.  Insurrections are decreasing as well.  It is only in, surprise, surprise, Muslim nations that we have seen a reverse of that general trend.   As it is, more Muslims are killed by Islamists, than Westerners, despite what the Islamophobes claim and the tabloid press trumpets.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 1:36pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 9:17am: We have been watching this stuff from Islam for over twenty years now. One thing that even Islamophiles cannot deny is that it is getting worse. And every time there is another atrocity, our governments say "Be strong, don't let them intimidate you . . ." from behind their security guards and armour plate glass. And your evidence for it, "getting worse" is, what exactly, Issuevoter? I'm often interested in people making pronouncements like you without citing and evidential support for them.  "Everybody knows," doesn't cut it, you realise? As far as I can tell from the evidence that I have seen - not the bullshit on the Islamophobic websites, Islamist extremism is on a mild increase.   Generally, political violence though, be it Islamist or otherwise, is on the decrease.   The number and the types of wars around the world have been decreasing since the 2000s, according to the UN.  Insurrections are decreasing as well.  It is only in, surprise, surprise, Muslim nations that we have seen a reverse of that general trend.   As it is, more Muslims are killed by Islamists, than Westerners, despite what the Islamophobes claim and the tabloid press trumpets.    ::)

You obviously didn't notice, or care, what happened in France, Belgium, and Germany recently.

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 5:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 1:36pm: issuevoter wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 9:17am: We have been watching this stuff from Islam for over twenty years now. One thing that even Islamophiles cannot deny is that it is getting worse. And every time there is another atrocity, our governments say "Be strong, don't let them intimidate you . . ." from behind their security guards and armour plate glass. And your evidence for it, "getting worse" is, what exactly, Issuevoter? I'm often interested in people making pronouncements like you without citing and evidential support for them.  "Everybody knows," doesn't cut it, you realise? As far as I can tell from the evidence that I have seen - not the bullshit on the Islamophobic websites, Islamist extremism is on a mild increase.   Generally, political violence though, be it Islamist or otherwise, is on the decrease.   The number and the types of wars around the world have been decreasing since the 2000s, according to the UN.  Insurrections are decreasing as well.  It is only in, surprise, surprise, Muslim nations that we have seen a reverse of that general trend.   As it is, more Muslims are killed by Islamists, than Westerners, despite what the Islamophobes claim and the tabloid press trumpets.    ::) You obviously didn't notice, or care, what happened in France, Belgium, and Germany recently.

How could I not notice, Issuevoter?  They were typical cases of a small number of Islamists leading the media and it appears you, 'round by the nose and made you panic.   Do you really consider what happened there as being the typical behaviour of most Muslims?   No, don't bother to answer, I can guess your views on the issue...   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 26^th, 2017 at 6:16pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 5:18pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 1:36pm: issuevoter wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 9:17am: We have been watching this stuff from Islam for over twenty years now. One thing that even Islamophiles cannot deny is that it is getting worse. And every time there is another atrocity, our governments say "Be strong, don't let them intimidate you . . ." from behind their security guards and armour plate glass. And your evidence for it, "getting worse" is, what exactly, Issuevoter? I'm often interested in people making pronouncements like you without citing and evidential support for them.  "Everybody knows," doesn't cut it, you realise? As far as I can tell from the evidence that I have seen - not the bullshit on the Islamophobic websites, Islamist extremism is on a mild increase.   Generally, political violence though, be it Islamist or otherwise, is on the decrease.   The number and the types of wars around the world have been decreasing since the 2000s, according to the UN.  Insurrections are decreasing as well.  It is only in, surprise, surprise, Muslim nations that we have seen a reverse of that general trend.   As it is, more Muslims are killed by Islamists, than Westerners, despite what the Islamophobes claim and the tabloid press trumpets.    ::) You obviously didn't notice, or care, what happened in France, Belgium, and Germany recently. How could I not notice, Issuevoter?  They were typical cases of a small number of Islamists leading the media and it appears you, 'round by the nose and made you panic.   Do you really consider what happened there as being the typical behaviour of most Muslims?   No, don't bother to answer, I can guess your views on the issue...   ::)

Oh, great. Everything is OK then, and Baby Bombs don't count. But here's one I did not see in the media at the time. Muz stabs his wife to death in Potts Point Sydney, because she became a Christian. 29/09/2016

issuevoter wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 6:49am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 6:16pm: issuevoter wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 5:18pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 1:36pm: issuevoter wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 9:17am: We have been watching this stuff from Islam for over twenty years now. One thing that even Islamophiles cannot deny is that it is getting worse. And every time there is another atrocity, our governments say "Be strong, don't let them intimidate you . . ." from behind their security guards and armour plate glass. And your evidence for it, "getting worse" is, what exactly, Issuevoter? I'm often interested in people making pronouncements like you without citing and evidential support for them.  "Everybody knows," doesn't cut it, you realise? As far as I can tell from the evidence that I have seen - not the bullshit on the Islamophobic websites, Islamist extremism is on a mild increase.   Generally, political violence though, be it Islamist or otherwise, is on the decrease.   The number and the types of wars around the world have been decreasing since the 2000s, according to the UN.  Insurrections are decreasing as well.  It is only in, surprise, surprise, Muslim nations that we have seen a reverse of that general trend.   As it is, more Muslims are killed by Islamists, than Westerners, despite what the Islamophobes claim and the tabloid press trumpets.    ::) You obviously didn't notice, or care, what happened in France, Belgium, and Germany recently. How could I not notice, Issuevoter?  They were typical cases of a small number of Islamists leading the media and it appears you, 'round by the nose and made you panic.   Do you really consider what happened there as being the typical behaviour of most Muslims?   No, don't bother to answer, I can guess your views on the issue...   ::) Oh, great. Everything is OK then, and Baby Bombs don't count. But here's one I did not see in the media at the time. Muz stabs his wife to death in Potts Point Sydney, because she became a Christian. 29/09/2016

Again, atypical behaviour.  Baby Bombs do matter but they are atypical behaviour.  What they indicate is that Boko Haram is becoming more and more desperate to strike at the Government forces which are proving successful in their campaign against them.   Muslims love their children (for the most part), just as do other humans, Issuevoter.   It's time you forgot your Islamophobia and looked upon Muslims as people.    ::)

You exhibit the worst trait to appear in Western thought, since the accommodation of the Axis fascists in the 1930s. You have come to accept Islamic atrocities as an inevitable part of life. That attitude is now starting to appear in the tone of Western journalism, along with the suggestion the reporting of the ethnicity and religion of perpetrators should be gagged in the media.

Conversion to Islam by Westerners, is the cowardice of acquiescence, but your attitude is more insidious, as you use a pretense of multicultural tolerance to cover up nothing but vain hope. Bosnia and Kosovo were created by this combination of acquiescence and prevarication. You are contributing to the Bosnification of the West.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 27^th, 2017 at 10:16pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 27th, 2017 at 6:49am: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 6:16pm: issuevoter wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 5:18pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 1:36pm: issuevoter wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 9:17am: We have been watching this stuff from Islam for over twenty years now. One thing that even Islamophiles cannot deny is that it is getting worse. And every time there is another atrocity, our governments say "Be strong, don't let them intimidate you . . ." from behind their security guards and armour plate glass. And your evidence for it, "getting worse" is, what exactly, Issuevoter? I'm often interested in people making pronouncements like you without citing and evidential support for them.  "Everybody knows," doesn't cut it, you realise? As far as I can tell from the evidence that I have seen - not the bullshit on the Islamophobic websites, Islamist extremism is on a mild increase.   Generally, political violence though, be it Islamist or otherwise, is on the decrease.   The number and the types of wars around the world have been decreasing since the 2000s, according to the UN.  Insurrections are decreasing as well.  It is only in, surprise, surprise, Muslim nations that we have seen a reverse of that general trend.   As it is, more Muslims are killed by Islamists, than Westerners, despite what the Islamophobes claim and the tabloid press trumpets.    ::) You obviously didn't notice, or care, what happened in France, Belgium, and Germany recently. How could I not notice, Issuevoter?  They were typical cases of a small number of Islamists leading the media and it appears you, 'round by the nose and made you panic.   Do you really consider what happened there as being the typical behaviour of most Muslims?   No, don't bother to answer, I can guess your views on the issue...   ::) Oh, great. Everything is OK then, and Baby Bombs don't count. But here's one I did not see in the media at the time. Muz stabs his wife to death in Potts Point Sydney, because she became a Christian. 29/09/2016 Again, atypical behaviour.  Baby Bombs do matter but they are atypical behaviour.  What they indicate is that Boko Haram is becoming more and more desperate to strike at the Government forces which are proving successful in their campaign against them.   Muslims love their children (for the most part), just as do other humans, Issuevoter.   It's time you forgot your Islamophobia and looked upon Muslims as people.    ::)

What you fail to recognise in just about every single post about Islam, is that ideologies DO matter.

You'd have no problem taking the far right ideology to task but you have a blind spot for Islamic ideology which incubates extremism.

Gordon wrote on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 9:19am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 27th, 2017 at 10:16pm: issuevoter wrote on Jan 27th, 2017 at 6:49am: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 6:16pm: issuevoter wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 5:18pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 1:36pm: issuevoter wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 9:17am: We have been watching this stuff from Islam for over twenty years now. One thing that even Islamophiles cannot deny is that it is getting worse. And every time there is another atrocity, our governments say "Be strong, don't let them intimidate you . . ." from behind their security guards and armour plate glass. And your evidence for it, "getting worse" is, what exactly, Issuevoter? I'm often interested in people making pronouncements like you without citing and evidential support for them.  "Everybody knows," doesn't cut it, you realise? As far as I can tell from the evidence that I have seen - not the bullshit on the Islamophobic websites, Islamist extremism is on a mild increase.   Generally, political violence though, be it Islamist or otherwise, is on the decrease.   The number and the types of wars around the world have been decreasing since the 2000s, according to the UN.  Insurrections are decreasing as well.  It is only in, surprise, surprise, Muslim nations that we have seen a reverse of that general trend.   As it is, more Muslims are killed by Islamists, than Westerners, despite what the Islamophobes claim and the tabloid press trumpets.    ::) You obviously didn't notice, or care, what happened in France, Belgium, and Germany recently. How could I not notice, Issuevoter?  They were typical cases of a small number of Islamists leading the media and it appears you, 'round by the nose and made you panic.   Do you really consider what happened there as being the typical behaviour of most Muslims?   No, don't bother to answer, I can guess your views on the issue...   ::) Oh, great. Everything is OK then, and Baby Bombs don't count. But here's one I did not see in the media at the time. Muz stabs his wife to death in Potts Point Sydney, because she became a Christian. 29/09/2016 Again, atypical behaviour.  Baby Bombs do matter but they are atypical behaviour.  What they indicate is that Boko Haram is becoming more and more desperate to strike at the Government forces which are proving successful in their campaign against them.   Muslims love their children (for the most part), just as do other humans, Issuevoter.   It's time you forgot your Islamophobia and looked upon Muslims as people.    ::) What you fail to recognise in just about every single post about Islam, is that ideologies DO matter. You'd have no problem taking the far right ideology to task but you have a blind spot for Islamic ideology which incubates extremism.

I think you've hit upon the biggest problem with forums such as these Gordon. Each of us position ourselves on a particular side and hammer that side till kingdom come. Lets be honest and admit that we are not really interested in constructive dialogue here, but to score points for whichever side we associate with. And that reinforces a particular identity we want to associate with, and gives us a fairly perverse boost in self esteem. Just like Brian instinctively doesn't lash out at Islamism, you and FD never say a word against Islamophobia or right wing extremism in gemeral. Its not that you or Brian don't oppose these forms of extremism, you just don't see it as your "role" to fight against them on a platform such as this forum.

If only Henry Tajfel was still alive - he would see no better working demonstration of his Social Identity Theory than on this very forum.

I am not talking about ideology, I am talking about murder and its religious justification, which apologists like Gandalf and Ross are continually trying to ignore or diminish.

issuevoter wrote on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 11:21am:

I am not talking about ideology, I am talking about murder and its religious justification, which apologists like Gandalf and Ross are continually trying to ignore or diminish.

You remain strangely silent when Christians commit murder and then justify it through recourse to their holy scripture, The Bible, Issuevoter.   Funny that.   I acknowledge that some fruitloops in all religions can find justification for anything in their holy scriptures if they look hard enough.  Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, you name it, all of them.   It is not up to you to blame an entire religious group (Muslims) for the acts of a minority who are considered lunatic by the majority.    ::)

Ah straight back into the lies in the new age of truth.

Christians who commit atrocities are directly disobeying the teachings of Christ.

muslims who commit atrocities are the highest grade of muslim and are devoutly following the teachings of muhammad and the immutable never to be changed word of allah.

Funny how the leftards and muslims always forget to mention this fact.

Oh well looks like the new age of truth is over before it got off the ground.

moses wrote on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 3:52pm:

Ah straight back into the lies in the new age of truth. Christians who commit atrocities are directly disobeying the teachings of Christ.

Christians who commit atrocities don't believe they are disobeying the teachings of Christ any more than Muslims who commit atrocities believe they are disobeying the teachings of Mohammed.   

They are both misguided according to the majority viewpoint in their religion which interprets the messages of their prophets differently to them.   When you, as a Christian acknowledge their sins and accept them as being a part of Christianity, you might understand these things a little better, Moses.   ::)

For your words to have any credence you have to be able to give us some teachings of Christ these people are using.

I know I've asked this of you before and you always run and hide, however I suppose I'll just have to run it again, knowing that you never will be able to give an honest answer to this question.

There are innumerable verses in the qur'an which urge and cause islamic atrocities.

While you are totally unable to come up with one verse from Christ which exhorts and motivates Christian atrocities.

moses wrote on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 4:48pm:

For your words to have any credence you have to be able to give us some teachings of Christ these people are using. I know I've asked this of you before and you always run and hide, however I suppose I'll just have to run it again, knowing that you never will be able to give an honest answer to this question. There are innumerable verses in the qur'an which urge and cause islamic atrocities. While you are totally unable to come up with one verse from Christ which exhorts and motivates Christian atrocities.

You'd have to ask a Christian Terrorist, Moses as I am unsure exactly which verses they quote while they are murdering their victims.   Perhaps you know, as you appear to ignore the teachings of Christ when you're attacking Muslims?   Tsk, tsk.    ::)

All I know is they are invariably characterised as being Bible quoting people, like most Christian extremists are.   You know the ones who whip their wives and children when they've transgressed The Bible's teachings?    ::)

As much as you disown them, they consider themselves to be god-fearin', Christians and as far as I am concerned, that's good enough for me.   ::)

You're unsure exactly which verses quote Christ?

That about sums you up doesn't it?

You just don't know.

Oh well them's the breaks, new age of leftard truth, you just don't know.

moses wrote on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 5:23pm:

You're unsure exactly which verses quote Christ? That about sums you up doesn't it? You just don't know. Oh well them's the breaks, new age of leftard truth, you just don't know.

So then, explain to us why we should not consider those people, who consider themselves to be Christians and who commit Terrorist acts, Moses?

Can you also explain then, why we should consider you still to be a Christian after the hatred and bigotry you have posted here, counter to the words of Christ...   ::)

So when have Christian flown planes into the Burj Khailfa or the Burj Al Arab Ross?  When have they attacked hotels or public transport systems?  Have they been kidnapping or impregnating muslim schoolgirls lately lately?  Stopping women and killing them for going to school?  Or changing their religion?  The list goes on and on and on.... 

Grendel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 9:17am:

So when have Christian flown planes into the Burj Khailfa or the Burj Al Arab Ross?  When have they attacked hotels or public transport systems?  Have they been kidnapping or impregnating muslim schoolgirls lately lately?  Stopping women and killing them for going to school?  Or changing their religion?  The list goes on and on and on....

Its not that he doesn't get it, its that he doesn't want to get it.

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So then, explain to us why we should not consider those people, who consider themselves to be Christians and who commit Terrorist acts, Moses?

Oh I would go on the word of Christ as the best guideline for what constitutes a Christian .

Matthew 15:9  But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Mark 7:7  Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Matthew 7:21  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Mattthew 7:22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Matthew 7:23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Very straight forward: doing evil deeds in the name of Christianity count for nothing, workers of iniquity are rejected.

Now to get to your masters the muslims.

Well we all now that hatred, rape, torture and mass murder are the core values of islamic doctrine.

The qur'an is riddled with commands which urge and motivate islamic atrocities, muslims commit depraved deeds every day of their lives, secure in the noesis they are the highest grade of muslim, loved by their god allah.

This overwhelming disparity between the two beliefs has you and yours running scared.

You lie snivel and sneak desperately trying to equalise the two beliefs.

I believe that the present political climate is a sign that people are rejecting your abject dissimulation, the world is turning.      
      
Good luck you and the muslims deserve each other.

Grendel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 9:17am:

So when have Christian flown planes into the Burj Khailfa or the Burj Al Arab Ross?  When have they attacked hotels or public transport systems?  Have they been kidnapping or impregnating muslim schoolgirls lately lately?  Stopping women and killing them for going to school?  Or changing their religion?  The list goes on and on and on....

Christian Terrorists have committed the greatest crimes of Terrorism.  They have destroyed entire cities, wiped out entire populations, Grendel.  That you seem to defend and deflect criticism of them makes you an apologist.   Disgusting.    ::) ::)

issuevoter wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 9:47am:

Grendel wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 9:17am: So when have Christian flown planes into the Burj Khailfa or the Burj Al Arab Ross?  When have they attacked hotels or public transport systems?  Have they been kidnapping or impregnating muslim schoolgirls lately lately?  Stopping women and killing them for going to school?  Or changing their religion?  The list goes on and on and on....  Its not that he doesn't get it, its that he doesn't want to get it.

Yes, Grendel lives in a world of his own, Issuevoter.  He supports Racists and he now apologises for Terrorists.     Disgusting.    ::)

moses wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 1:08pm:

Quote: So then, explain to us why we should not consider those people, who consider themselves to be Christians and who commit Terrorist acts, Moses? Oh I would go on the word of Christ as the best guideline for what constitutes a Christian .

So, I take it that you are then NOT a Christian, Moses?

Afterall, you have posted your hatred of other human beings on numerous occasions if they happen to be Muslims - no matter how peaceful, law abiding and assimilated they may be.

You are, along with Yadda, one of the greatest hypocrits I have read online, Moses.  Disgusting.    ::)

Oh dear more red herrings to run from the fact that islam and Christianity are the antithesis of each other.

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Christianity and violence The relationship between Christianity and violence is a subject of controversy because some have used or interpreted its teachings to justify violence, while others maintain that it only promotes peace, love, and compassion. Despite the example of Jesus, some institutions and individuals have acted violently and attempted to justify themselves through Christian writings.[1] Heitman and Hagan identify the Inquisition, Crusades, Wars of Religion and antisemitism as being "among the most notorious examples of Christian violence".[2] To this list, J. Denny Weaver adds, "warrior popes, support for capital punishment, corporal punishment under the guise of 'spare the rod and spoil the child,' justifications of slavery, world-wide colonialism in the name of conversion to Christianity, the systemic violence of women subjected to men." Miroslav Volf says that Christianity is intrinsically nonviolent, but has suffered from a "confusion of loyalties". He proposes that "rather than the character of the Christian faith itself, a better explanation of why Christian churches are either impotent in the face of violent conflicts or actively participate in them derives from the proclivities of its adherents which are at odds with the character of the Christian faith." He states that "(although) explicitly giving ultimate allegiance to the Gospel of Jesus Christ, many Christians in fact seem to have an overriding commitment to their respective cultures and ethnic groups."[3] Bible Scholars are divided on whether the text of the Bible itself supports waging of violence. Ra'anan S. Boustan states that "(v)iolence can be found throughout the pages of the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament."[4] Philip Jenkins describes the Bible as overflowing with "texts of terror".[5] Supersessionist Christians focus on violence in the Old Testament while ignoring or giving little attention to violence in the New Testament.[6] Christian violence Among common examples of violence in Christianity, J. Denny Weaver lists "(the) crusades, the multiple blessings of wars, warrior popes, support for capital punishment, corporal punishment under the guise of 'spare the rod and spoil the child,' justifications of slavery, world-wide colonialism in the name of conversion to Christianity, the systemic violence of women subjected to men".[7] In the view of many historians, the Constantinian shift turned Christianity from a persecuted into a persecuting religion.[8] Miroslav Volf has identified the intervention of a "new creation", as in the Second Coming, as a particular aspect of Christianity that generates violence.[9] Writing about the latter, Volf says: "Beginning at least with Constantine's conversion, the followers of the Crucified have perpetrated gruesome acts of violence under the sign of the cross. Over the centuries, the seasons of Lent and Holy Week were, for the Jews, times of fear and trepidation; Christians have perpetrated some of the worst pogroms as they remembered the crucifixion of Christ, for which they blamed the Jews. Muslims also associate the cross with violence; crusaders' rampages were undertaken under the sign of the cross."[10] The statement attributed to Jesus "I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword" has been interpreted by some as a call to arms for Christians.[11] Mark Juergensmeyer argues that "despite its central tenets of love and peace, Christianity—like most traditions—has always had a violent side. The bloody history of the tradition has provided disturbing images and violent conflict is vividly portrayed in the Bible. This history and these biblical images have provided the raw material for theologically justifying the violence of contemporary Christian groups. For example, attacks on abortion clinics have been viewed not only as assaults on a practice that Christians regard as immoral, but also as skirmishes in a grand confrontation between forces of evil and good that has social and political implications.",[11]:19–20 sometimes referred to as Spiritual warfare. Higher law has been used to justify violence by Christians.[12] Historically, according to René Girard, many Christians embraced violence when it became the state religion of Rome: "Beginning with Constantine, Christianity triumphed at the level of the state and soon began to cloak with its authority persecutions similar to those in which the early Christians were victims."[13]

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Holy war The Biblical account of Joshua and the Battle of Jericho has been used by Oliver Cromwell to justify genocidal against Catholics.[14]:3[15] Chirot also interprets 1 Samuel 15:1–3 as "the sentiment, so clearly expressed, that because a historical wrong was committed, justice demands genocidal retribution."[14]:7–8 Just war theory, on the other hand, is a doctrine of military ethics of Roman philosophical and Catholic origin[16][17] studied by moral theologians, ethicists, and international policy makers, that holds that a conflict can and ought to meet the criteria of philosophical, religious or political justice, provided it follows certain conditions. In 1095, at the Council of Clermont, Pope Urban II declared that some wars could be deemed as not only a bellum iustum ("just war"), but could, in certain cases, rise to the level of a bellum sacrum (holy war).[18] Jill Claster characterizes this as a "remarkable transformation in the ideology of war", shifting the justification of war from being not only "just" but "spiritually beneficial".[19] Thomas Murphy examined the Christian concept of Holy War, asking "how a culture formally dedicated to fulfilling the injunction to 'love thy neighbor as thyself' could move to a point where it sanctioned the use of violence against the alien both outside and inside society". The religious sanctioning of the concept of "holy war" was a turning point in Christian attitudes towards violence; "Pope Gregory VII made the Holy War possible by drastically altering the attitude of the church towards war... Hitherto a knight could obtain remission of sins only by giving up arms, but Urban invited him to gain forgiveness 'in and through the exercise of his martial skills'." A holy war was defined by the Roman Catholic Church as "war that is not only just, but justifying; that is, a war that confers positive spiritual merit on those who fight in it".[20][21] In the 12th century, Bernard of Clairvaux wrote: "'The knight of Christ may strike with confidence and die yet more confidently; for he serves Christ when he strikes, and saves himself when he falls.... When he inflicts death, it is to Christ's profit, and when he suffers death, it is his own gain."[22] In Ulrich Luz's formulation; "After Constantine, the Christians too had a responsibility for war and peace. Already Celsus asked bitterly whether Christians, by aloofness from society, wanted to increase the political power of wild and lawless barbarians. His question constituted a new actuality; from now on, Christians and churches had to choose between the testimony of the gospel, which included renunciation of violence, and responsible participation in political power, which was understood as an act of love toward the world." Augustine's Epistle to Marcellinus (Ep 138) is the most influential example of the "new type of interpretation."[23] Just war theorists combine both a moral abhorrence towards war with a readiness to accept that war may sometimes be necessary. The criteria of the just war tradition act as an aid to determining whether resorting to arms is morally permissible. Just War theories are attempts "to distinguish between justifiable and unjustifiable uses of organized armed forces"; they attempt "to conceive of how the use of arms might be restrained, made more humane, and ultimately directed towards the aim of establishing lasting peace and justice."[24] The just war tradition addresses the morality of the use of force in two parts: when it is right to resort to armed force (the concern of jus ad bellum) and what is acceptable in using such force (the concern of jus in bello).[25] In more recent years, a third category — jus post bellum — has been added, which governs the justice of war termination and peace agreements, as well as the prosecution of war criminals. The concept of justification for war under certain conditions goes back at least to Cicero.[26] However its importance is connected to Christian medieval theory beginning from Augustine of Hippo and Thomas Aquinas.[27] According to Jared Diamond, Saint Augustine played a critical role in delineating Christian thinking about what constitutes a just war, and about how to reconcile Christian teachings of peace with the need for war in certain situations.[28] Jonathan Riley Smith writes, [quote]    The consensus among Christians on the use of violence has changed radically since the crusades were fought. The just war theory prevailing for most of the last two centuries — that violence is an evil which can in certain situations be condoned as the lesser of evils — is relatively young. Although it has inherited some elements (the criteria of legitimate authority, just cause, right intention) from the older war theory that first evolved around a.d. 400, it has rejected two premises that underpinned all medieval just wars, including crusades: first, that violence could be employed on behalf of Christ's intentions for mankind and could even be directly authorized by him; and second, that it was a morally neutral force which drew whatever ethical coloring it had from the intentions of the perpetrators.[29]

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W.E. Addis et al. have written that Christianity has always had a place for violence: "There have been sects, notably the Quakers, which have denied altogether the lawfulness of war, partly because they believe it to be prohibited by Christ (Mt. v. 39, etc), partly on humanitarian grounds. On the Scriptural ground they are easily refuted; the case of the soldiers instructed by in their duties by St. John the Baptist, and that of the military men whom Christ and His Apostles loved and familiarly conversed with (Lk 3:14, Acts 10, Mt 8:5), without a word to imply that their calling was unlawful, sufficiently prove the point." [30] Inquisition The Inquisition is a group of institutions within the judicial system of the Catholic Church whose aim was to combat heresy[31] The Spanish Inquisition is often cited in popular literature and history as an example of Catholic intolerance and repression. The total number processed by the Inquisition throughout its history was approximately 150,000; applying the percentages of executions that appeared in the trials of 1560–1700—about 2%—the approximate total would be about 3,000 put to death. Nevertheless, it is likely that the toll was higher, keeping in mind the data provided by Dedieu and García Cárcel for the tribunals of Toledo and Valencia, respectively. It is likely that between 3,000 and 5,000 were executed.[32] About 50 people were executed by the Mexican Inquisition.[33] Included in that total are 29 people executed as "Judaizers" between 1571 and 1700 out of 324 people prosecuted for practicing the Jewish religion.[34] In the Portuguese Inquisition the major target were those who had converted from Judaism to Catholicism, the Conversos, also known as New Christians or Marranos, who were suspected of secretly practising Judaism. Many of these were originally Spanish Jews, who had left Spain for Portugal. The number of victims is estimated around 40,000.[35][36] One particular focus of the Spanish and Portuguese inquisitions was the issue of Jewish anusim and Muslim converts to Catholicism, partly because these minority groups were more numerous in Spain and Portugal than in many other parts of Europe, and partly because they were often considered suspect due to the assumption that they had secretly reverted to their previous religions. The Goa Inquisition was the office of the Portuguese Inquisition acting in Portuguese India, and in the rest of the Portuguese Empire in Asia. It was established in 1560, briefly suppressed from 1774–1778, and finally abolished in 1812.[37] Based on the records that survive, H. P. Salomon and Rabbi Isaac S.D. Sassoon state that between the Inquisition's beginning in 1561 and its temporary abolition in 1774, some 16,202 persons were brought to trial by the Inquisition. Of this number, it is known that 57 were sentenced to death and executed, and another 64 were burned in effigy (this sentence was applied to those who had fled or died in prison; in the latter case, the remains were burned in a coffin at the same time as the effigy).[38] Others were subjected to lesser punishments or penance, but the fate of many of those tried by the Inquisition is unknown.[39] The Roman Inquisition, during the second half of the 16th century, was responsible for prosecuting individuals accused of a wide array of crimes relating to religious doctrine or alternate religious doctrine or alternate religious beliefs. Out of 51,000 — 75,000 cases judged by Inquisition in Italy after 1542 around 1,250 resulted in a death sentence.[40] The period of witch trials in Early Modern Europe[41] were a widespread moral panic suggesting that malevolent Satanic witches were operating as an organized threat to Christendom during the 15th to 18th centuries.[42] A variety of different punishments were employed for those found guilty of witchcraft, including imprisonment, flogging, fines, or exile.[43] In the Old Testament's Exodus 22:18 it states that "Thou shalt not permit a sorceress to live".[44] Many faced capital punishment for witchcraft in the period, either by being burned at the stake, hanged on the gallows, or beheaded.[45] Similarly, in New England, people convicted of witchcraft were hanged.[46] The scholarly consensus on the total number of executions for witchcraft ranges between 40,000 and 60,000.[47]

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The legal basis for some inquisitorial activity came from Pope Innocent IV's papal bull Ad extirpanda of 1252, which explicitly authorized (and defined the appropriate circumstances for) the use of torture by the Inquisition for eliciting confessions from heretics.[48] By 1256 inquisitors were given absolution if they used instruments of torture.[49] "The overwhelming majority of sentences seem to have consisted of penances like wearing a cross sewn on one's clothes, going on pilgrimage, etc."[50] When a suspect was convicted of unrepentant heresy, the inquisitorial tribunal was required by law to hand the person over to the secular authorities for final sentencing, at which point a magistrate would determine the penalty, which was usually burning at the stake although the penalty varied based on local law.[51][52] The laws were inclusive of proscriptions against certain religious crimes (heresy, etc.), and the punishments included death by burning, although imprisonment for life or banishment would usually be used. Thus the inquisitors generally knew what would be the fate of anyone so remanded, and cannot be considered to have divorced the means of determining guilt from its effects.[53] Except within the Papal States, the institution of the Inquisition was abolished in the early 19th century, after the Napoleonic Wars in Europe and after the Spanish American wars of independence in the Americas. The institution survived as part of the Roman Curia, but in 1904 was given the new name of "Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office". In 1965 it became the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.[54] Christian terrorism Main article: Christian terrorism Christian terrorism comprises terrorist acts by groups or individuals who use Christian motivations or goals for their actions. As with other forms of religious terrorism, Christian terrorists have relied on interpretations of the tenets of faith – in this case, the Bible. Such groups have cited Old Testament and New Testament scriptures to justify violence and killing or to seek to bring about the "end times" described in the New Testament.[55] Forced conversions Main articles: Forcible conversion to Christianity and History of Christian thought on persecution and tolerance After the Constantinian shift, Christianity became entangled with government. While anthropologists have shown that throughout history the relationship between religion and politics has been complex, there is no doubt that religious institutions, including Christian ones, have been used coercively by governments, and have themselves used coercion.[56] Augustine found that persuasion was insufficient to the task of conversion. He advocated government force in his Epistle 185, A Treatise Concerning the Correction of the Donatists, justifying coercion from scripture. He cites Jesus striking Paul during Paul's vision on the road to Damascus. He also cites the parable of the feast, Luke 14:22-3. Such short term pain for the sake of eternal salvation was an act of charity and love, in his view.[57] Examples include: during the Christian persecution of paganism under Theodosius I,[58] forced conversion and violent assimilation of pagan tribes in medieval Europe,[59] the Inquisition, including its manifestations in Goa, Mexico, Portugal, and Spain, forced conversion of indigenous children in North American[60] and Australia,[61] and, since 1992, against Hindus in Northeast India.[62]

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Support of slavery Early Christianity variously opposed, accepted, or ignored slavery.[63] The early Christian perspectives of slavery were formed in the contexts of Christianity's roots in Judaism, and as part of the wider culture of the Roman Empire. Both the Old and New Testaments recognize that the institution of slavery existed. The earliest surviving Christian teachings about slavery are from Paul the Apostle, who frequently referred to himself as a "Slave of Christ", perhaps implying that he was a slave and Jesus was his master, although it may have just been an expression. Paul did not renounce the institution of slavery. Conversely, he taught that Christian slaves ought to serve their masters wholeheartedly.[Eph. 6:5–8]. Nothing in the passage affirms slavery as a naturally valid or divinely mandated institution. Rather, Paul’s discussion of the duties of Christian slaves and the responsibilities of Christian masters transforms the institution, even if it falls short of calling for outright abolition. In the ancient world the slave was a thing. Aristotle wrote that there could never be friendship between master and slave, for master and slave have nothing in common: “a slave is a living tool, just as a tool is an inanimate slave.” Paul’s words are entirely different. He calls the slave a “slave of Christ,” one who wants to do “the will of God” and who will receive a “reward” for “whatever good he does”. Likewise, the master is responsible to God for how he treats the slave, who is ultimately God’s rather than his own property. This is another way of saying that the slave, no less than the master, has been made in God’s image. As such, he possesses inestimable worth and great dignity. He is to be treated properly. In such a framework slavery, even though it remained slavery, could never be the same institution as for non-Christians. It was this transformation (which came from viewing all persons as made in God’s image) that ultimately destroyed slavery.[64] Tradition describes Pope Pius I (term c. 158–167) and Pope Callixtus I (term c. 217–222) as former slaves.[65] Nearly all Christian leaders before the late 17th century recognised slavery, within specific Biblical limitations, as consistent with Christian theology. In early Medieval times, the Church discouraged slavery throughout Europe, largely eliminating it.[66] That changed in 1452, when Pope Nicholas V instituted the hereditary slavery of captured Muslims and pagans, regarding all non-Christians as "enemy of christ."[67] Genesis 9:25–27, the Curse of Ham, says: "Cursed be Canaan! The lowest of slaves will he be to his brothers. He also said, 'Blessed be the Lord, the God of Shem! May Canaan be the slave of Shem." This verse has been used to justify racialized slavery, since "Christians and even some Muslims eventually identified Ham's descendents as black Africans".[63][68] Anthony Pagden argued that "This reading of the Book of Genesis merged easily into a medieval iconographic tradition in which devils were always depicted as black. Later pseudo-scientific theories would be built around African skull shapes, dental structure, and body postures, in an attempt to find an unassailable argument—rooted in whatever the most persuasive contemporary idiom happened to be: law, theology, genealogy, or natural science—why one part of the human race should live in perpetual indebtedness to another."[69] Rodney Stark makes the argument in For the Glory of God: How Monotheism Led to Reformations, Science, Witch-Hunts, and the End of Slavery,[70] that Christianity helped to end slavery worldwide, as does Lamin Sanneh in Abolitionists Abroad.[71] These authors point out that Christians who viewed slavery as wrong on the basis of their religious convictions spearheaded abolitionism, and many of the early campaigners for the abolition of slavery were driven by their Christian faith and a desire to realize their view that all people are equal under God.[72] Many modern Christians are united in the condemnation of slavery as wrong and contrary to God's will. Only peripheral groups such as the Ku Klux Klan and other Christian hate groups on the racist fringes of the Christian Reconstructionist and Christian Identity movements advocate the reinstitution of slavery.[63] Full adherents to reconstructionism are few and marginalized among conservative Christians.[73][74][75] With these exceptions, all Christian faith groups now condemn slavery, and see the practice as incompatible with basic Christian principles.[63][66] Modern day Christians can also point to the Hebrews 2:14-16, which says "Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death-that is, the devil-and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham's descendants."

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Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 1:30pm:

Grendel wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 9:17am: So when have Christian flown planes into the Burj Khailfa or the Burj Al Arab Ross?  When have they attacked hotels or public transport systems?  Have they been kidnapping or impregnating muslim schoolgirls lately lately?  Stopping women and killing them for going to school?  Or changing their religion?  The list goes on and on and on....  Christian Terrorists have committed the greatest crimes of Terrorism.  They have destroyed entire cities, wiped out entire populations, Grendel.  That you seem to defend and deflect criticism of them makes you an apologist.   Disgusting.    ::) ::)

Puhlease the deflection and in this case dishonesty is all yours bwian, it always has been...  how about addressing my post and answering the questions for a change eh...

:D :D :D :D :D

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Violence against Jews A strain of hostility among Christians to Judaism and the Jewish people developed from the early years of Christianity and persisted over the ensuing centuries, driven by numerous factors including theological differences, the Christian drive for converts[76] decreed by the Great Commission, misunderstanding of Jewish beliefs and practices, and a perceived Jewish hostility toward Christians, and culminated in the Holocaust, which has driven many within Christianity to reflect on the relationship between theology, practices, and that genocide.[77] These attitudes were reinforced in Christian preaching, art and popular teaching over the centuries containing contempt for Jews.[78] Modern Antisemitism has been described as primarily hatred against Jews as a race with its modern expression rooted in 18th century racial theories, while anti-Judaism is described as hostility to Jewish religion, but in Western Christianity it effectively merged into antisemitism during the 12th century.[79]

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Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 1:32pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 9:47am: Grendel wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 9:17am: So when have Christian flown planes into the Burj Khailfa or the Burj Al Arab Ross?  When have they attacked hotels or public transport systems?  Have they been kidnapping or impregnating muslim schoolgirls lately lately?  Stopping women and killing them for going to school?  Or changing their religion?  The list goes on and on and on....  Its not that he doesn't get it, its that he doesn't want to get it. Yes, Grendel lives in a world of his own, Issuevoter.  He supports Racists and he now apologises for Terrorists.     Disgusting.    ::)

You need to stop lying about me and see a shrink too bwian.
Maggots are a higher lifeform than you... ::) ::) ::)

Meanwhile islam and Christianity, chalk and cheese.

islamic doctrine causes and motivates atrocities.

Christian doctrine rejects barbaric inhumanities.

The poor old leftards just can't bring themselves to admit this fact

Grendel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 1:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 1:30pm: Grendel wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 9:17am: So when have Christian flown planes into the Burj Khailfa or the Burj Al Arab Ross?  When have they attacked hotels or public transport systems?  Have they been kidnapping or impregnating muslim schoolgirls lately lately?  Stopping women and killing them for going to school?  Or changing their religion?  The list goes on and on and on....  Christian Terrorists have committed the greatest crimes of Terrorism.  They have destroyed entire cities, wiped out entire populations, Grendel.  That you seem to defend and deflect criticism of them makes you an apologist.   Disgusting.    ::) ::) Puhlease the deflection and in this case dishonesty is all yours bwian, it always has been...  how about addressing my post and answering the questions for a change eh... :D :D :D :D :D

When you answer my points, I will answer your questions, Grendel.  Until then...   ::)

moses wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 1:54pm:

Meanwhile islam and Christianity, chalk and cheese. islamic doctrine causes and motivates atrocities. Christian doctrine rejects barbaric inhumanities. The poor old leftards just can't bring themselves to admit this fact

Christian teachings have been used, as I have just demonstrated to support:

The Inquisition
Holy War
Terrorism
Racism
Slavery
Forced conversion
Anti-Semitism

It appears you have a great many questions to answer, Moses.  Your views on Christianity are very strange compared to the mainstream of that religion.   Time you took control of your religion and forced your fellow Christians to change their views on those issues.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Grendel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 1:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 1:32pm: issuevoter wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 9:47am: Grendel wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 9:17am: So when have Christian flown planes into the Burj Khailfa or the Burj Al Arab Ross?  When have they attacked hotels or public transport systems?  Have they been kidnapping or impregnating muslim schoolgirls lately lately?  Stopping women and killing them for going to school?  Or changing their religion?  The list goes on and on and on....  Its not that he doesn't get it, its that he doesn't want to get it. Yes, Grendel lives in a world of his own, Issuevoter.  He supports Racists and he now apologises for Terrorists.     Disgusting.    ::) You need to stop lying about me and see a shrink too bwian. Maggots are a higher lifeform than you... ::) ::) ::)

As usual, you respond to criticism with ad hominem debate, Grendel.  Time you crawled back under your rock.    ::) ::)

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Christian teachings have been used, as I have just demonstrated to support: The Inquisition Holy War Terrorism Racism Slavery Forced conversion Anti-Semitism It appears you have a great many questions to answer, Moses.  Your views on Christianity are very strange compared to the mainstream of that religion.   Time you took control of your religion and forced your fellow Christians to change their views on those issues.  Tsk, tsk.

it's very simple, it either lies from someone who has a one sided agenda to decry Christianity, or it's the truth.

It's very simple to establish if it's truth or lies.

You simply give the teachings of Christ the purveyors of evil were following.

If you can't you are simply lying.

A failure on your part to give some clear instructions from Christ motivating atrocities indicates you're a liar.

No excuses, no sneaking around, just come up with the goods, or are you lying?

moses wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 2:13pm:

Quote: Christian teachings have been used, as I have just demonstrated to support: The Inquisition Holy War Terrorism Racism Slavery Forced conversion Anti-Semitism It appears you have a great many questions to answer, Moses.  Your views on Christianity are very strange compared to the mainstream of that religion.   Time you took control of your religion and forced your fellow Christians to change their views on those issues.  Tsk, tsk. it's very simple, it either lies from someone who has a one sided agenda to decry Christianity, or it's the truth. It's very simple to establish if it's truth or lies. You simply give the teachings of Christ the purveyors of evil were following. If you can't you are simply lying. A failure on your part to give some clear instructions from Christ motivating atrocities indicates you're a liar. No excuses, no sneaking around, just come up with the goods, or are you lying?

The charges were made in the long quote I supplied from Wikipedia, Moses.  Take it up with the authors of that piece.   It reads true to me, from my knowledge of history and scripture.  Are you denying that Christianity and it's teachings were used to justify:

The Inquisition
Holy War
Terrorism
Racism
Slavery
Forced conversion
Anti-Semitism

If you are, then you are out on your own there.  There is ample historical evidence which suggests that.    ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 2:00pm:

Grendel wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 1:54pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 1:32pm: issuevoter wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 9:47am: Grendel wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 9:17am: So when have Christian flown planes into the Burj Khailfa or the Burj Al Arab Ross?  When have they attacked hotels or public transport systems?  Have they been kidnapping or impregnating muslim schoolgirls lately lately?  Stopping women and killing them for going to school?  Or changing their religion?  The list goes on and on and on....  Its not that he doesn't get it, its that he doesn't want to get it. Yes, Grendel lives in a world of his own, Issuevoter.  He supports Racists and he now apologises for Terrorists.     Disgusting.    ::) You need to stop lying about me and see a shrink too bwian. Maggots are a higher lifeform than you... ::) ::) ::) As usual, you respond to criticism with ad hominem debate, Grendel.  Time you crawled back under your rock.    ::) ::)

As usual you avoid factual debate...
Dear me what a pathetic person you've become...  so lying about me which is factual is ad hom is it? ;D ;D ;D
I'll even let the hypocrisy go this time. ;D

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 1:30pm:

Grendel wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 9:17am: So when have Christian flown planes into the Burj Khailfa or the Burj Al Arab Ross?  When have they attacked hotels or public transport systems?  Have they been kidnapping or impregnating muslim schoolgirls lately lately?  Stopping women and killing them for going to school?  Or changing their religion?  The list goes on and on and on....  Christian Terrorists have committed the greatest crimes of Terrorism.  They have destroyed entire cities, wiped out entire populations, Grendel.  That you seem to defend and deflect criticism of them makes you an apologist.   Disgusting.    ::) ::)

So have Muslims bwian...  isn't it about time you came into the real world of today and addressed what I posted  :D :D :D :D :D

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The charges were made in the long quote I supplied from Wikipedia, Moses.  Take it up with the authors of that piece.   It reads true to me, from my knowledge of history and scripture.  Are you denying that Christianity and it's teachings were used to justify: The Inquisition Holy War Terrorism Racism Slavery Forced conversion Anti-Semitism If you are, then you are out on your own there.  There is ample historical evidence which suggests that.

As we all know, many people have committed the foulest of deeds supposedly in the name of Christianity.

They were all perpetrated by men who departed from the actual teachings of Christ, giving their own teachings instead.

They were foretold 2016 years ago by Christ:

Mat 15:9  But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Mar 7:7  Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Mat 7:21  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 7:22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Mat 7:23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

The above verses are self explanatory, they foretold the very people you are pushing, as being workers of iniquity and rejected By Christ.

Now this is the part that has you back peddling.

Your hatred of Christianity forces you to lie at every opportunity.

You simply can't admit that Christian doctrine as espoused by Christ does not incite any of the above atrocities, they were all the product of men who disobeyed the teachings of Christ.

You simply prefer to be a deliberate liar than admit a truth which goes against your anti Christian  prejudices.

However your lies will never alter the facts that islam and Christianity are polar opposites.

muslims who commit atrocities are obeying islamic doctrine.

Christians who commit atrocities are disobeying the word of Christ.

No amount of sniveling, sneaking or lying on your part will ever alter this fact.

The reason you lie all the time is: you simply can't find one teaching of Christ which actuates depraved inhumanities.

Oh well, when has a leftard ever told the truth anyhow?

moses wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 3:29pm:

Quote: The charges were made in the long quote I supplied from Wikipedia, Moses.  Take it up with the authors of that piece.   It reads true to me, from my knowledge of history and scripture.  Are you denying that Christianity and it's teachings were used to justify: The Inquisition Holy War Terrorism Racism Slavery Forced conversion Anti-Semitism If you are, then you are out on your own there.  There is ample historical evidence which suggests that. As we all know, many people have committed the foulest of deeds supposedly in the name of Christianity.

Ah!  An admission that there are Christians who do bad things in the name of their religion.

We have advanced, Moses away from your normal, complete denial that such people exist.

Now, perhaps would you care to explain how you are amongst their number?  Afterall, you break the Christian command to "love thy enemy" (Matthew 7:12; 1 John 4:7;  Luke 6:27-32; Matthew 5:41-48 ) and that of course includes Muslims, now doesn't it?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 2:00pm:

Time you crawled back under your rock.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 2:00pm:

As usual, you respond to criticism with ad hominem debate

Tut Tut.

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Ah!  An admission that there are Christians who do bad things in the name of their religion. We have advanced, Moses away from your normal, complete denial that such people exist.

Another deliberate lie on your part?

Over the years I've repeatedly posted the same old verses which show men will disobey Christ and pursue their own interests, that these men are not Christians but rejected by Christ:

You must like reading them as you're
always lying trying to tie atrocities in with the word of Christ and promote these men as true Christians.

Here they are again just for you:

Mat 15:9  But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Mar 7:7  Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Mat 7:21  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 7:22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Mat 7:23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Now the question is when are you going to cease lying or is your hatred of Christianity so overpowering you'll never be able to stop?

Oh and on the question of islam and muslims there is another quote from the N.T. which I think makes good sense, you know the one about abhorring evil.

Well that makes good sense to me, as I find a doctrine based on rape torture and mass murder (islam) to be putridly evil in every sense.

When bwain moves on from the really olden days he might discover the world is shaping up the way the silent majority want it, it is evident, the movement  is well under way.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 3:37pm:

Afterall, you break the Christian command to "love thy enemy" (Matthew 7:12; 1 John 4:7;  Luke 6:27-32; Matthew 5:41-48 ) and that of course includes Muslims, now doesn't it?   ::)

Oh, we love the sinners, Brian, we just don't like their sin.

I'm still waiting for answers bwian...  wassup...  got nothing as usual, rather ignore the facts than face them?

Want me to post them again...?

OK just for you bwian...


Grendel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 9:17am:

So when have Christian flown planes into the Burj Khailfa or the Burj Al Arab Ross?  When have they attacked hotels or public transport systems?  Have they been kidnapping or impregnating muslim schoolgirls lately lately?  Stopping women and killing them for going to school?  Or changing their religion?  The list goes on and on and on....

moses wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 3:56pm:

Quote: Ah!  An admission that there are Christians who do bad things in the name of their religion. We have advanced, Moses away from your normal, complete denial that such people exist. Another deliberate lie on your part?

Nope, just obviously a misunderstanding on my part of your usual obstinate position, Moses.

Despite what some may believe, I don't deliberately lie.

So, at least you admit that these people are Christians (in their view)?

Or are we back at the usual position that they aren't Christians 'cause IYO they have disobeyed Christ?    ::)

Frank wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 4:27pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 3:37pm:   Afterall, you break the Christian command to "love thy enemy" (Matthew 7:12; 1 John 4:7;  Luke 6:27-32; Matthew 5:41-48 ) and that of course includes Muslims, now doesn't it?   ::) Oh, we love the sinners, Brian, we just don't like their sin.

I never assumed that you did, just that you're willing to cut them some slack, 'cause afterall, they are just misguided Christians, now aren't they, Soren?  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Johnnie wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 4:01pm:

When bwain moves on from the really olden days he might discover the world is shaping up the way the silent majority want it, it is evident, the movement  is well under way.

Those that fail to study history are doomed to repeat it's mistakes...   ::)

Grendel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 5:32pm:

OK just for you bwian... Grendel wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 9:17am: So when have Christian flown planes into the Burj Khailfa or the Burj Al Arab Ross?  When have they attacked hotels or public transport systems?  Have they been kidnapping or impregnating muslim schoolgirls lately lately?  Stopping women and killing them for going to school?  Or changing their religion?  The list goes on and on and on....

Yet you keep regurgitating the past like its relevant today bwian...  wassup, inconvenient truth staring you in the face so you keep running away? :D :D :D

Grendel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 7:07pm:

Grendel wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 5:32pm: OK just for you bwian... Grendel wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 9:17am: So when have Christian flown planes into the Burj Khailfa or the Burj Al Arab Ross?  When have they attacked hotels or public transport systems?  Have they been kidnapping or impregnating muslim schoolgirls lately lately?  Stopping women and killing them for going to school?  Or changing their religion?  The list goes on and on and on....  Yet you keep regurgitating the past like its relevant today bwian...  wassup, inconvenient truth staring you in the face so you keep running away? :D :D :D

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Run along, Grendel.  I hear a Goat trying to cross your bridge...   ::)

Funny you hang out and TROLL here then accuse others of doing just that when you refuse to enter into any sort of sensible debate.

YOU LOSE BWIAN... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
again. ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 6:25pm:

Despite what some may believe, I don't deliberately lie.

Well, Brian, despite what you are saying, I and other think that you are indeed lying deliberately.

What are your significant personal traits?


Dishonesty
Ignorance
Vacuousness




Readers are invited to add to the list of your defining characteristics.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 7:29pm:

Grendel wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 7:07pm: Grendel wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 5:32pm: OK just for you bwian... Grendel wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 9:17am: So when have Christian flown planes into the Burj Khailfa or the Burj Al Arab Ross?  When have they attacked hotels or public transport systems?  Have they been kidnapping or impregnating muslim schoolgirls lately lately?  Stopping women and killing them for going to school?  Or changing their religion?  The list goes on and on and on....  Yet you keep regurgitating the past like its relevant today bwian...  wassup, inconvenient truth staring you in the face so you keep running away? :D :D :D http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Run along, Grendel.  I hear a Goat trying to cross your bridge...   ::)

Not a Goat....

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Frank wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 8:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 6:25pm: Despite what some may believe, I don't deliberately lie. Well, Brian, despite what you are saying, I and other think that you are indeed lying deliberately. What are your significant personal traits? Dishonesty Ignorance Vacuousness Readers are invited to add to the list of your defining characteristics.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

If you have proof that I have knowingly told an untruth, Soren, post it.  Otherwise, all you're doing is embarrassing yourself, again.   ::)

Grendel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 8:44pm:

Funny you hang out and TROLL here then accuse others of doing just that when you refuse to enter into any sort of sensible debate. YOU LOSE BWIAN... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D again. ::)

Wrong, Grendel, I win.  When you offer debate that is sensible and does not consist of endless resorting to ad hominem, I will take you on.   I am simply treating you and your fellow travellers with the contempt they deserve.   Tsk, tsk.     ::) ::)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FPELc1wEvk

What you are simply bwian is a coward and a lying hypocrite...

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 9:11pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 8:50pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 6:25pm: Despite what some may believe, I don't deliberately lie. Well, Brian, despite what you are saying, I and other think that you are indeed lying deliberately. What are your significant personal traits? Dishonesty Ignorance Vacuousness Readers are invited to add to the list of your defining characteristics. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg If you have proof that I have knowingly told an untruth, Soren, post it.  Otherwise, all you're doing is embarrassing yourself, again.   ::)

All your posts are deliberate untruths, Brian. Re-post anything concerning Islam you have said that you think is true. Anything.

You are a Muslim propagandist dealing in lies and falsifications.

Frank wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 9:39pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 9:11pm: Frank wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 8:50pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 6:25pm: Despite what some may believe, I don't deliberately lie. Well, Brian, despite what you are saying, I and other think that you are indeed lying deliberately. What are your significant personal traits? Dishonesty Ignorance Vacuousness Readers are invited to add to the list of your defining characteristics. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg If you have proof that I have knowingly told an untruth, Soren, post it.  Otherwise, all you're doing is embarrassing yourself, again.   ::) All your posts are deliberate untruths, Brian. Re-post anything concerning Islam you have said that you think is true. Anything. You are a Muslim propagandist dealing in lies and falsifications.

No evidence?  How unsurprising from you, Soren, how unsurprising.  I am neither a Muslim nor a Muslim "propagandist".  All I ask is for Muslims to be given a fair go - an Australian ideal which one of our former Prime Ministers was want to tell us.    You, however condemn and persecute simply because you're an Islamophobic bigot, Soren.   Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Grendel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 9:39pm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FPELc1wEvk What you are simply bwian is a coward and a lying hypocrite...

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Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 11:02pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 9:39pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 9:11pm: Frank wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 8:50pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 6:25pm: Despite what some may believe, I don't deliberately lie. Well, Brian, despite what you are saying, I and other think that you are indeed lying deliberately. What are your significant personal traits? Dishonesty Ignorance Vacuousness Readers are invited to add to the list of your defining characteristics. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg If you have proof that I have knowingly told an untruth, Soren, post it.  Otherwise, all you're doing is embarrassing yourself, again.   ::) All your posts are deliberate untruths, Brian. Re-post anything concerning Islam you have said that you think is true. Anything. You are a Muslim propagandist dealing in lies and falsifications. No evidence?  How unsurprising from you, Soren, how unsurprising.  I am neither a Muslim nor a Muslim "propagandist".  All I ask is for Muslims to be given a fair go - an Australian ideal which one of our former Prime Ministers was want to tell us.    You, however condemn and persecute simply because you're an Islamophobic bigot, Soren.   Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Tell us one positive improvement that Islam brings to the West, Brian.

One.

Frank wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 11:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 11:02pm: Frank wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 9:39pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 9:11pm: Frank wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 8:50pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 6:25pm: Despite what some may believe, I don't deliberately lie. Well, Brian, despite what you are saying, I and other think that you are indeed lying deliberately. What are your significant personal traits? Dishonesty Ignorance Vacuousness Readers are invited to add to the list of your defining characteristics. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg If you have proof that I have knowingly told an untruth, Soren, post it.  Otherwise, all you're doing is embarrassing yourself, again.   ::) All your posts are deliberate untruths, Brian. Re-post anything concerning Islam you have said that you think is true. Anything. You are a Muslim propagandist dealing in lies and falsifications. No evidence?  How unsurprising from you, Soren, how unsurprising.  I am neither a Muslim nor a Muslim "propagandist".  All I ask is for Muslims to be given a fair go - an Australian ideal which one of our former Prime Ministers was want to tell us.    You, however condemn and persecute simply because you're an Islamophobic bigot, Soren.   Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) Tell us one positive improvement that Islam brings to the West, Brian. One.

Brings or brought? If it's the latter I can think of a very important one that we in the west would not be what we are without. Al jabr.

Setanta wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 11:48pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 11:23pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 11:02pm: Frank wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 9:39pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 9:11pm: Frank wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 8:50pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 6:25pm: Despite what some may believe, I don't deliberately lie. Well, Brian, despite what you are saying, I and other think that you are indeed lying deliberately. What are your significant personal traits? Dishonesty Ignorance Vacuousness Readers are invited to add to the list of your defining characteristics. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg If you have proof that I have knowingly told an untruth, Soren, post it.  Otherwise, all you're doing is embarrassing yourself, again.   ::) All your posts are deliberate untruths, Brian. Re-post anything concerning Islam you have said that you think is true. Anything. You are a Muslim propagandist dealing in lies and falsifications. No evidence?  How unsurprising from you, Soren, how unsurprising.  I am neither a Muslim nor a Muslim "propagandist".  All I ask is for Muslims to be given a fair go - an Australian ideal which one of our former Prime Ministers was want to tell us.    You, however condemn and persecute simply because you're an Islamophobic bigot, Soren.   Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) Tell us one positive improvement that Islam brings to the West, Brian. One. Brings or brought? If it's the latter I can think of a very important one that we in the west would not be what we are without. Al jabr.

the greeks.

rhino wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 11:57pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 11:48pm: Frank wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 11:23pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 11:02pm: Frank wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 9:39pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 9:11pm: Frank wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 8:50pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 6:25pm: Despite what some may believe, I don't deliberately lie. Well, Brian, despite what you are saying, I and other think that you are indeed lying deliberately. What are your significant personal traits? Dishonesty Ignorance Vacuousness Readers are invited to add to the list of your defining characteristics. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg If you have proof that I have knowingly told an untruth, Soren, post it.  Otherwise, all you're doing is embarrassing yourself, again.   ::) All your posts are deliberate untruths, Brian. Re-post anything concerning Islam you have said that you think is true. Anything. You are a Muslim propagandist dealing in lies and falsifications. No evidence?  How unsurprising from you, Soren, how unsurprising.  I am neither a Muslim nor a Muslim "propagandist".  All I ask is for Muslims to be given a fair go - an Australian ideal which one of our former Prime Ministers was want to tell us.    You, however condemn and persecute simply because you're an Islamophobic bigot, Soren.   Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) Tell us one positive improvement that Islam brings to the West, Brian. One. Brings or brought? If it's the latter I can think of a very important one that we in the west would not be what we are without. Al jabr. the greeks.

The Indians. As is the concept of zero. The Arabs brought it west.

The Julian calendar comes from Egypt, even though the Romans could have thieved the celtic calendar hundreds of years before.
History is written by...

Setanta wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 11:48pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 11:23pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 11:02pm: Frank wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 9:39pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 9:11pm: Frank wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 8:50pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 6:25pm: Despite what some may believe, I don't deliberately lie. Well, Brian, despite what you are saying, I and other think that you are indeed lying deliberately. What are your significant personal traits? Dishonesty Ignorance Vacuousness Readers are invited to add to the list of your defining characteristics. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg If you have proof that I have knowingly told an untruth, Soren, post it.  Otherwise, all you're doing is embarrassing yourself, again.   ::) All your posts are deliberate untruths, Brian. Re-post anything concerning Islam you have said that you think is true. Anything. You are a Muslim propagandist dealing in lies and falsifications. No evidence?  How unsurprising from you, Soren, how unsurprising.  I am neither a Muslim nor a Muslim "propagandist".  All I ask is for Muslims to be given a fair go - an Australian ideal which one of our former Prime Ministers was want to tell us.    You, however condemn and persecute simply because you're an Islamophobic bigot, Soren.   Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) Tell us one positive improvement that Islam brings to the West, Brian. One. Brings or brought? If it's the latter I can think of a very important one that we in the west would not be what we are without. Al jabr.

Not a Muslim invention, I'm afraid.

Have you got anything else?

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Nope, just obviously a misunderstanding on my part of your usual obstinate position, Moses. Despite what some may believe, I don't deliberately lie. So, at least you admit that these people are Christians (in their view)? Or are we back at the usual position that they aren't Christians 'cause IYO they have disobeyed Christ?

Oh dear more smoke screens, misunderstandings, lies that aren't deliberate etc. etc., to hide the fact that muslims who are running around in the 21st century raping, torturing and murdering innocent people are devoutly following the teachings of the psychopathic muhammad and the supposedly immutable perfect commands of the moon god allah.

With regards to the usual position of they aren't Christians, well I hate to rain on your parade, but it comes directly out of the N.T. instructed as being the actual words of Christ.

You appear to have a fetish for these verses as you make all kinds of deliberately false statements which are easily refuted by these verses which have you mesmerized.

Mat 15:9  But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Mar 7:7  Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Mat 7:21  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 7:22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Mat 7:23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Perhaps it's the literary style which has you dumfounded, however they have a clear unambiguous meaning: workers of evil are rejected by Christ, they are not Christians.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 11:02pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 9:39pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 9:11pm: Frank wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 8:50pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 6:25pm: Despite what some may believe, I don't deliberately lie. Well, Brian, despite what you are saying, I and other think that you are indeed lying deliberately. What are your significant personal traits? Dishonesty Ignorance Vacuousness Readers are invited to add to the list of your defining characteristics. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg If you have proof that I have knowingly told an untruth, Soren, post it.  Otherwise, all you're doing is embarrassing yourself, again.   ::) All your posts are deliberate untruths, Brian. Re-post anything concerning Islam you have said that you think is true. Anything. You are a Muslim propagandist dealing in lies and falsifications. No evidence?  How unsurprising from you, Soren, how unsurprising.  I am neither a Muslim nor a Muslim "propagandist".  All I ask is for Muslims to be given a fair go - an Australian ideal which one of our former Prime Ministers was want to tell us.    You, however condemn and persecute simply because you're an Islamophobic bigot, Soren.   Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Muslims are given a much better go in the West than in their own Muslim countries, yet everywhere you look they are plotting jihad and global caliphate. All because of Islam. There is not a single positive thing to recommend Islam. Not one.

Frank wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 5:39pm:

There is not a single positive thing to recommend Islam. Not one.

Sorry to have to disagree Frank.

Killing has been the overriding achievement of islam.

80 million Hindu, absolute minimum!

250 million Africans, minimum!

When Constantinople was slaughtered by the Turks it took 100 years for the population to recover and attain its former size.

moses wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 11:55am:

Quote: Nope, just obviously a misunderstanding on my part of your usual obstinate position, Moses. Despite what some may believe, I don't deliberately lie. So, at least you admit that these people are Christians (in their view)? Or are we back at the usual position that they aren't Christians 'cause IYO they have disobeyed Christ? Oh dear more smoke screens, misunderstandings, lies that aren't deliberate etc. etc., to hide the fact that muslims who are running around in the 21st century raping, torturing and murdering innocent people are devoutly following the teachings of the psychopathic muhammad and the supposedly immutable perfect commands of the moon god allah.

Some Muslims are, I agree.  In fact I've never disagreed.  What I disagree with you is your's and your fellow Islamophobes' characterisation of all Muslims in that way.  They are not.  When you stop trying to claim that is the view of all Muslims, I'll stop arguing with you.  Simples, really.

All you're doing is being an Islamophobic bigot.  In your eyes, all Muslims are guilty of worshipping a god other than Yahweh.   How terribly of them.  Let me guess if all the Muslims disappeared overnight you'd start on the Hindus and then the Buddhists?  Tsk, tsk, tsk.    ::)


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With regards to the usual position of they aren't Christians, well I hate to rain on your parade, but it comes directly out of the N.T. instructed as being the actual words of Christ.

Yet the Old Testamant is part of The Bible and is quoted extensively by (nearly) all Christians, Moses.   It is a fundamental part of Christian belief and everybody who is an expert on theology agrees that it is the cornerstone of Christianity - except you.   Such a strange view you have on your own religion, completely at odds to all other Christians.   Are you an evangelical Christian?  A Happy Clappy Christian?


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You appear to have a fetish for these verses as you make all kinds of deliberately false statements which are easily refuted by these verses which have you mesmerized.

So, you're claiming that the verses I quote do not say the things I say they do?  Really?  Amazing.   You can look in The Bible to verify what I claim is true (King James version of course, although, I do prefer the language of the King Charles one)...   ::)


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Perhaps it's the literary style which has you dumfounded, however they have a clear unambiguous meaning: workers of evil are rejected by Christ, they are not Christians.

He may reject them, Moses but do they reject Christ?   That is a far more important question.  Afterall, to them, they are not doing evil, in their eyes but are doing what they perceive is God's work.

The problem is you never look at this from their perspective.  You only look at it from your perspective.   We can see that you're rejecting Christ's exhortations to love thine enemies.  So, does that make you an evil doer as well?  Tsk, tsk.    ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 5:39pm:

Muslims are given a much better go in the West than in their own Muslim countries, yet everywhere you look they are plotting jihad and global caliphate. All because of Islam. There is not a single positive thing to recommend Islam. Not one.

So, all Muslims are "plotting Jihad and global caliphate," are they, Soren?

Nope, you're not an Islamophobic bigot, are you?  Nope, not all...   ::) ::)

Perhaps as an athiest bwian you shouldn't hold yourself up as an expert on Theology or Christianity eh...

Grendel wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 7:16pm:

Perhaps as an athiest bwian you shouldn't hold yourself up as an expert on Theology or Christianity eh...

Why not, Grendel.  Afterall, I do have a Doctor of Divinity degree...   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 7:19pm:

Grendel wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 7:16pm: Perhaps as an athiest bwian you shouldn't hold yourself up as an expert on Theology or Christianity eh... Why not, Grendel.  Afterall, I do have a Doctor of Divinity degree...   ::)

Oh Jesus! We got a live one.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 7:19pm:

Afterall, I do have a Doctor of Divinity degree...

Why is it that liars are allowed to post????????????

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 7:19pm:

Grendel wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 7:16pm: Perhaps as an athiest bwian you shouldn't hold yourself up as an expert on Theology or Christianity eh... Why not, Grendel.  Afterall, I do have a Doctor of Divinity degree...   ::)

Mods, do you allow this sort of thing?

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 7:19pm:

Afterall, I do have a Doctor of Divinity degree...   ::)

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


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Brian Ross wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 7:19pm:

Grendel wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 7:16pm: Perhaps as an athiest bwian you shouldn't hold yourself up as an expert on Theology or Christianity eh... Why not, Grendel.  Afterall, I do have a Doctor of Divinity degree...   ::)

LOL you mean the one you got from that Cornflakes box...  come back to me when you hold an actual degree in Theology. :D :D :D :D :D

Grendel wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 8:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 7:19pm: Grendel wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 7:16pm: Perhaps as an athiest bwian you shouldn't hold yourself up as an expert on Theology or Christianity eh... Why not, Grendel.  Afterall, I do have a Doctor of Divinity degree...   ::) LOL you mean the one you got from that Cornflakes box...  come back to me when you hold an actual degree in Theology. :D :D :D :D :D

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As always, you attempt to denigrate what you have an inability to understand, Grendel.   I have a valid DD from a valid University.   I gained it through study and examination.   You may disagree with my opinions but don't doubt my credentials.

What qualifications to you have, Grendel?  Any?   Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Adamant wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 7:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 7:19pm: Afterall, I do have a Doctor of Divinity degree... Why is it that liars are allowed to post????????????

If I have knowingly told an untruth, post proof I have done so.  ::)

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Stooge

Johnnie wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 10:31pm:

Stooge

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Brian Ross wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 10:11pm:

Grendel wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 8:18pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 7:19pm: Grendel wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 7:16pm: Perhaps as an athiest bwian you shouldn't hold yourself up as an expert on Theology or Christianity eh... Why not, Grendel.  Afterall, I do have a Doctor of Divinity degree...   ::) LOL you mean the one you got from that Cornflakes box...  come back to me when you hold an actual degree in Theology. :D :D :D :D :D http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg As always, you attempt to denigrate what you have an inability to understand, Grendel.   I have a valid DD from a valid University.   I gained it through study and examination.   You may disagree with my opinions but don't doubt my credentials. What qualifications to you have, Grendel?  Any?   Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

And which particular brand of Divine Snake Oil are you trying to sell?

Yes he's an academic snob of the highest order...  lol.
He has a Divinity Degree from the University of Kellogs.
Funny he must have done it online because he shows no ability to actually adhere to any of the teachings one with such a degree would 1/ know and 2/ show.
:D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

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They are not.  When you stop trying to claim that is the view of all Muslims, I'll stop arguing with you.  Simples, really.

muslims slaughter innocent people citing the verses in the qur'an which sanction their depravities, as the cause and motivation for their deeds.

These verses are considered to be immutable perfection, they can never be changed.

Every single muslim on this earth shares this belief: the verses are perfect and can never be changed.

If you support the cause and motivation, you support the atrocities engendered.

Now there is a simple answer to the problem of islamic depravities: a review which thoroughly scrutinizes islam allah and muhammad.

However this has leftards and muslims running scared, as islam would simply implode if a truthful examination of islam ever occurred.

So where does this leave us, well leftards lying through their teeth, desperate to protect islam at any cost, muslims doing exactly the same thing, they both favour islamic death and destruction over truth which would eventually bring it to an end.

However the world is turning on them, there is light at the end of the tunnel.

It's coming as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow, islam and leftards will be defeated by the truth. 

issuevoter wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 6:33am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 10:11pm: Grendel wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 8:18pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 7:19pm: Grendel wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 7:16pm: Perhaps as an athiest bwian you shouldn't hold yourself up as an expert on Theology or Christianity eh... Why not, Grendel.  Afterall, I do have a Doctor of Divinity degree...   ::) LOL you mean the one you got from that Cornflakes box...  come back to me when you hold an actual degree in Theology. :D :D :D :D :D http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg As always, you attempt to denigrate what you have an inability to understand, Grendel.   I have a valid DD from a valid University.   I gained it through study and examination.   You may disagree with my opinions but don't doubt my credentials. What qualifications to you have, Grendel?  Any?   Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) And which particular brand of Divine Snake Oil are you trying to sell?

None.  I am an agnostic.  I seek proof that God exists.  Doesn't matter which snake oil he uses as far as I am concerned.  They are all distorted mirrors of one another...   ::)

Grendel wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 8:36am:

Yes he's an academic snob of the highest order...  lol. He has a Divinity Degree from the University of Kellogs. Funny he must have done it online because he shows no ability to actually adhere to any of the teachings one with such a degree would 1/ know and 2/ show. :D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

You appear to have a problem with me having a degree which suggests I actually have knowledge of the subject I'm discussing, Grendel.   Are you feeling inferior?   ::)

There is a form of theology called "Comparative Theology".  Guess what my degree is in?   8-)

moses wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 2:40pm:

Quote: They are not.  When you stop trying to claim that is the view of all Muslims, I'll stop arguing with you.  Simples, really. muslims slaughter innocent people citing the verses in the qur'an which sanction their depravities, as the cause and motivation for their deeds.

Christians laughter innocent people citing the verses in the Bible which sanction their depravities, as the cause and motivation for their deeds.  You deny their very existence for some reason, Moses.


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These verses are considered to be immutable perfection, they can never be changed. Every single muslim on this earth shares this belief: the verses are perfect and can never be changed.

These verses are considered to be immutable perfection, they can never be changed in the King James version of The Bible.

Many Christians on this earth shares this belief: the verses are perfect and can never be changed.[

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If you support the cause and motivation, you support the atrocities engendered. Now there is a simple answer to the problem of islamic depravities: a review which thoroughly scrutinizes islam allah and muhammad.

If you support the cause and motivation, you support the atrocities engendered.

Now there is a simple answer to the problem of Christian depravities: a review which thoroughly scrutinizes Christianity and it's followers.


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However this has leftards and muslims running scared, as islam would simply implode if a truthful examination of islam ever occurred.

However this has rightards and Christian fundamentalists running scared, as Christianity would simply implode if a truthful examination of Christian beliefs ever occurred.


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So where does this leave us, well leftards lying through their teeth, desperate to protect islam at any cost, muslims doing exactly the same thing, they both favour islamic death and destruction over truth which would eventually bring it to an end.

So where does this leave us, well rightards lying through their teeth, desperate to protect Christianity at any cost, Christians doing exactly the same thing, they both favour Christian death and destruction over truth which would eventually bring it to an end.


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However the world is turning on them, there is light at the end of the tunnel. It's coming as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow, islam and leftards will be defeated by the truth.

However the world is turning on them, there is light at the end of the tunnel.

It's coming as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow, Christian fundamentalists and Rightards will be defeated by the truth.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 3:27pm:

Grendel wrote on Jan 31st, 2017 at 8:36am: Yes he's an academic snob of the highest order...  lol. He has a Divinity Degree from the University of Kellogs. Funny he must have done it online because he shows no ability to actually adhere to any of the teachings one with such a degree would 1/ know and 2/ show. :D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) You appear to have a problem with me having a degree which suggests I actually have knowledge of the subject I'm discussing, Grendel.   Are you feeling inferior?   ::) There is a form of theology called "Comparative Theology".  Guess what my degree is in?   8-)

Cornflakes...
Why would even an agnostic waste time in Divinity? :D
Why would anyone? ;D

OK he's lost it....  where do we have Christians crying god is great when they kill innocent people bwian?  Where in the Wests do we have Christian Priests teaching people that it is alright to kill in the name of their God...?

You really are severely damaged goods bwian...  you need help.

:D :D :D :D :D

Grendel wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 3:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 31st, 2017 at 3:27pm: Grendel wrote on Jan 31st, 2017 at 8:36am: Yes he's an academic snob of the highest order...  lol. He has a Divinity Degree from the University of Kellogs. Funny he must have done it online because he shows no ability to actually adhere to any of the teachings one with such a degree would 1/ know and 2/ show. :D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) You appear to have a problem with me having a degree which suggests I actually have knowledge of the subject I'm discussing, Grendel.   Are you feeling inferior?   ::) There is a form of theology called "Comparative Theology".  Guess what my degree is in?   8-) Cornflakes... Why would even an agnostic waste time in Divinity? :D Why would anyone? ;D

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." ::)

Grendel wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 3:51pm:

OK he's lost it....  where to we have Christians crying god is great when they kill innocent people bwian?

Look in your history books, Geoff.  Look under "Genocide" and "Church" look under "Rwanda"...   ::)


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Where in the Wests do we have Christian Priests teaching people that it is alright to kill in the name of their God...?

Psalm 137:9


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You really are severely damaged goods bwian...  you need help. :D :D :D :D :D

Always with the ad hominem debate, hey, Geoff?  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 6:23pm:

Grendel wrote on Jan 31st, 2017 at 3:51pm: OK he's lost it....  where to we have Christians crying god is great when they kill innocent people bwian? Look in your history books, Geoff.  Look under "Genocide" and "Church" look under "Rwanda"...   ::) Quote: Where in the Wests do we have Christian Priests teaching people that it is alright to kill in the name of their God...? Psalm 137:9 [quote] You really are severely damaged goods bwian...  you need help. :D :D :D :D :D

Always with the ad hominem debate, hey, Geoff?  Tsk, tsk.   ::)[/quote]
Pull the other one Bwian you are the most hypocritical stooge on this forum...  you crap on about how superior you are whilst putting others down to build yourself up.
You play the man all the time.
You lie about people and what they do and say.
You refuse to enter into debate and answer questions... Look bwian if its so difficult and you find yourself incapable of engaging in proper debate then bugger off.  No one will cry about your absence honest.
As for me...  I've had enough of your blatant stupidity, you don't seem to want to answer any questions I ask and it seems the same for just about everyone here...  you spend most of your time posting the same boring image as if that is enough.  You aint got it bwian...perhaps you should stop wasting everyone's time.

Grendel wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 6:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 31st, 2017 at 6:23pm: Grendel wrote on Jan 31st, 2017 at 3:51pm: OK he's lost it....  where to we have Christians crying god is great when they kill innocent people bwian? Look in your history books, Geoff.  Look under "Genocide" and "Church" look under "Rwanda"...   ::) Quote: Where in the Wests do we have Christian Priests teaching people that it is alright to kill in the name of their God...? Psalm 137:9 [quote] You really are severely damaged goods bwian...  you need help. :D :D :D :D :D Always with the ad hominem debate, hey, Geoff?  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Pull the other one Bwian you are the most hypocritical stooge on this forum...  you crap on about how superior you are whilst putting others down to build yourself up.
You play the man all the time.
You lie about people and what they do and say.
You refuse to enter into debate and answer questions... Look bwian if its so difficult and you find yourself incapable of engaging in proper debate then bugger off.  No one will cry about your absence honest.
As for me...  I've had enough of your blatant stupidity, you don't seem to want to answer any questions I ask and it seems the same for just about everyone here...  you spend most of your time posting the same boring image as if that is enough.  You aint got it bwian...perhaps you should stop wasting everyone's time.
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When you answer my questions which I asked first, Geoff, I might answer your questions.  Until, you can keep up your usual barrage of ad hominem insults all you like.   I'll just keep yawning at your efforts.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 10:14pm:

Adamant wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 7:34pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 7:19pm: Afterall, I do have a Doctor of Divinity degree... Why is it that liars are allowed to post???????????? If I have knowingly told an untruth, post proof I have done so.  ::) https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/bd/5a/36/bd5a363887ba75c0deb57f4c4b5ca067.jpg

Afterall, I do have a Doctor of Divinity degree.

Issued by or thru a fatwah?

Get off the grass you muslim bigot Christianophobie!

kemal wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 6:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 10:14pm: Adamant wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 7:34pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 7:19pm: Afterall, I do have a Doctor of Divinity degree... Why is it that liars are allowed to post???????????? If I have knowingly told an untruth, post proof I have done so.  ::) https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/bd/5a/36/bd5a363887ba75c0deb57f4c4b5ca067.jpg Afterall, I do have a Doctor of Divinity degree. Issued by or thru a fatwah? Get off the grass you muslim bigot Christianophobie!

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Brian Ross wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 6:36pm:

kemal wrote on Jan 31st, 2017 at 6:34pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 10:14pm: Adamant wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 7:34pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 7:19pm: Afterall, I do have a Doctor of Divinity degree... Why is it that liars are allowed to post???????????? If I have knowingly told an untruth, post proof I have done so.  ::) https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/bd/5a/36/bd5a363887ba75c0deb57f4c4b5ca067.jpg Afterall, I do have a Doctor of Divinity degree. Issued by or thru a fatwah? Get off the grass you muslim bigot Christianophobie! http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

So you have proven to ALL you are a Liar. Well done son of little peccer.

kemal wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 6:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 31st, 2017 at 6:36pm: kemal wrote on Jan 31st, 2017 at 6:34pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 10:14pm: Adamant wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 7:34pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 7:19pm: Afterall, I do have a Doctor of Divinity degree... Why is it that liars are allowed to post???????????? If I have knowingly told an untruth, post proof I have done so.  ::) https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/bd/5a/36/bd5a363887ba75c0deb57f4c4b5ca067.jpg Afterall, I do have a Doctor of Divinity degree. Issued by or thru a fatwah? Get off the grass you muslim bigot Christianophobie! http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg So you have proven to ALL you are a Liar. Well done son of little peccer.

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issuevoter wrote on Jan 24^th, 2017 at 12:29pm:

Just when you thought Islam could not sink any lower. Now they are using babies in suicide attacks. Those dumbass unbelievers will never believe a mother could do such a thing. God is Great! http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-38725976

Muslim terrorists are seriously fking depraved pr*cks and need to be fought wherever they dwell.

The one point I would make though is that a neighbour to me is a Moroccan guy. Really decent guy who I will chat to during the weekend when I see him - his concern on Trump is that he is playing into the hands of the Muslim terrorist.

He said that ISIS and others state that you can't be a Westerner and a Muslim - something he said he as a Muslim living in the UK rejects.
However he said by Trump taking measures like this against Muslims (and I know its not a Muslim ban but its seen by many as such) - he is enabling ISIS to say 'see we told you, they are all against us'.

He has a fair point.

issuevoter wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 9:47am:

Grendel wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 9:17am: So when have Christian flown planes into the Burj Khailfa or the Burj Al Arab Ross?  When have they attacked hotels or public transport systems?  Have they been kidnapping or impregnating muslim schoolgirls lately lately?  Stopping women and killing them for going to school?  Or changing their religion?  The list goes on and on and on....  Its not that he doesn't get it, its that he doesn't want to get it.

The word you're looking for is :

DENIAL

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 11:55pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 12:29pm: Just when you thought Islam could not sink any lower. Now they are using babies in suicide attacks. Those dumbass unbelievers will never believe a mother could do such a thing. God is Great! http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-38725976 Muslim terrorists are seriously fking depraved pr*cks and need to be fought wherever they dwell. The one point I would make though is that a neighbour to me is a Moroccan guy. Really decent guy who I will chat to during the weekend when I see him - his concern on Trump is that he is playing into the hands of the Muslim terrorist. He said that ISIS and others state that you can't be a Westerner and a Muslim - something he said he as a Muslim living in the UK rejects. However he said by Trump taking measures like this against Muslims (and I know its not a Muslim ban but its seen by many as such) - he is enabling ISIS to say 'see we told you, they are all against us'. He has a fair point.

This "see, we told you so," gift to Islam, was evident in Trumps inaugural address, when he said that God would defend "us." To Muzlims that means he's is a Crusader.

Trump never considers the ramifications of what he says or does. However, we have arrived at a time in Islam's war against the West, where we cannot simple follow the twenty year old line that all we need to do is stand firm in our belief in tolerance.

Confronting Islam was never going to be tidy, and we could certainly use someone with more subtlety than Trump, but this was bound to happen, no matter how consistent Western denial has been.