https://www.prageru.com/courses/political-science/why-dont-feminists-fight-muslim-women

Are women oppressed in Muslim countries? What about in Islamic enclaves in the West? Are these places violating or fulfilling the Quran and Islamic law? Ayaan Hirsi Ali, an author and activist who was raised a devout Muslim, describes the human rights crisis of our time, asks why feminists in the West don't seem to care, and explains why immigration to the West from the Middle East means this issue matters more than ever.

To learn more, visit the AHA Foundation

http://www.theahafoundation.org/

We're too scared to.

Why?

We might be beheaded.

Strange isnt it. Feminists in the west including  the usual suspects here actually support the oppression of Muslim women.

rhino wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 10:49pm:

Strange isnt it. Feminists in the west including  the usual suspects here actually support the oppression of Muslim women.

We don't!

It's a self protection thing  :o

Is there any truth in this? If there is, then here we have the leader of feminism supporting FGM. Germaine's millions of followers are not likely to disagree, now are they?


Radical Leftist Feminazi, Germaine Greer, comes out in support of Female Genital Mutilation in the Muslim world

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/02/12/radical-leftist-feminazi-germaine-greer-comes-out-in-support-of-female-genital-mutilation-in-the-muslim-world/

Freedom/liberty, is not 'free'.

Wherever freedom/liberty exists,       ....it was achieved and paid for, with someones blood.

It is achieved through struggle and sacrifice, usually against forces which seek to impose a tyranny of power upon everyone.





Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1484652226/1#1

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Diversity Makes Us Smarter Worshiping at the alter of 'Diversity', is a crock. What makes us smarter, is recognising, and defending open truth. And, discriminating against liars and deceivers.

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Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1469916976/1#1

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Above all, pursue the truth. Honour the truth. Defend those who speak what is true. Speak up, and expose those, who pander to what is evil. Do not let rage and anger overcome you. If it is appropriate/necessary, actively defend your physical person and those you love. [you have every right to do this] BUT DO NOT JOIN IN, WITH ANY LAWLESSNESS, DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN ANY LAWLESSNESS. DO NOT DO, WHAT YOU KNOW TO BE WICKED. Read the Book of Proverbs in the OT. Proverbs 3:3 Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart: 4  So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man. 5  Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. 6  In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. Proverbs 22:24 Make no friendship with an angry man; and with a furious man thou shalt not go: 25  Lest thou learn his ways, and get a snare to thy soul. Proverbs 29:22 An angry man stirreth up strife, and a furious man aboundeth in transgression.

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Yadda said...

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IMO, ppl like yourself seem to want a 'peace' at any cost. But, imo morality, or life, doesn't work like that. Peace comes from defending open truth. But your logic seems to be; 'Wanting' something, will produce it. Or; 'If we give bullies what they want, surely, they will be satisfied, and leave us alone.' They won't. If you give a bully/thug, what he wants, he will come back again, and again. And eventually he will take from you, everything that you own. And the last thing the bully/the thug, will take from you, is your life. The appeasement of evil men, does not lead to peace. IMO, this generation has lost the ability to discern between good and evil, between truth and falsehood. As individuals, we all know, or as adults, we should know by now!, that if we walk away from truth, we will [always!] reap confusion in our lives.

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Yadda said...

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How is peace achieved, in the real world? Peace comes from justice. Justice comes when we respect, and defend, free and open truth. With justice comes peace. Justice comes from facing up to, and embracing, TRUTH. Peace comes through sacrifice, and our willingness to fight for truth, and to fight for what is right[eous]. And, peace comes from judgement. Peace among men comes as a consequence of righteous judgement. Peace among men comes when wicked men are judged, and when their fellows [other wicked men] come to understand that [their own] wicked actions, will bring judgement upon them.

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"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them."
Karl Popper


"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil."
Thomas Mann

Germaine Greer on FGM and women's rights:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/535488.stm

"One man's beautification is another man's mutilation."

freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2017 at 12:17pm:

Germaine Greer on FGM and women's rights: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/535488.stm "One man's beautification is another man's mutilation."

Oft times i'm not with Germaine. This is one of them.

Reprehensible comments.

But don't make the mistake of thinking feminists aren't on the front line about the way women are treated in Muslim majority countries.

Ask yourselves how much attention you give feminists.

mothra wrote on Feb 1^st, 2017 at 12:52pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 1st, 2017 at 12:17pm: Germaine Greer on FGM and women's rights: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/535488.stm "One man's beautification is another man's mutilation." Oft times i'm not with Germaine. This is one of them. Reprehensible comments. But don't make the mistake of thinking feminists aren't on the front line about the way women are treated in Muslim majority countries. Ask yourselves how much attention you give feminists.

Too late Mothball has already been 'beheaded'...... ;D ;D ;D

Fuzzball wrote on Feb 1^st, 2017 at 12:54pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 1st, 2017 at 12:52pm: freediver wrote on Feb 1st, 2017 at 12:17pm: Germaine Greer on FGM and women's rights: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/535488.stm "One man's beautification is another man's mutilation." Oft times i'm not with Germaine. This is one of them. Reprehensible comments. But don't make the mistake of thinking feminists aren't on the front line about the way women are treated in Muslim majority countries. Ask yourselves how much attention you give feminists. Too late Mothball has already been 'beheaded'...... ;D ;D ;D

Nothing intelligent to add? Thought not.

mothra wrote on Feb 1^st, 2017 at 1:01pm:

Fuzzball wrote on Feb 1st, 2017 at 12:54pm: mothra wrote on Feb 1st, 2017 at 12:52pm: freediver wrote on Feb 1st, 2017 at 12:17pm: Germaine Greer on FGM and women's rights: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/535488.stm "One man's beautification is another man's mutilation." Oft times i'm not with Germaine. This is one of them. Reprehensible comments. But don't make the mistake of thinking feminists aren't on the front line about the way women are treated in Muslim majority countries. Ask yourselves how much attention you give feminists. Too late Mothball has already been 'beheaded'...... ;D ;D ;D Nothing intelligent to add? Thought not.

Thought....what with no head????? ;D ;D ;D

Nope. Nothing.

http://www.feminist.org/global/fgm.html

https://www.socwomen.org/wp-content/uploads/Wade-The-Evolution-of-Feminist-Thought-About-Female-Genital-Cutting.pdf

http://www.feminist.com/violence/spot/fgm.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/hilary-burrage/fighting-female-genital-mutilation_b_3822317.html

Why is it that threads like these undermine the very powerful work being don by Muslim feminists.

It's like they don't even exist.

mothra wrote on Feb 1^st, 2017 at 1:26pm:

Why is it that threads like these undermine the very powerful work being don by Muslim feminists. It's like they don't even exist.

Come now, Mother. FD has been fighting for Muslim wimins' rights since 2007.

mothra wrote on Feb 1^st, 2017 at 1:26pm:

Why is it that threads like these undermine the very powerful work being don by Muslim feminists. It's like they don't even exist.

You mean the drop of water into the ocean. ;)

"Why don't feminists fight for Muslim women", cause they are all gay and would be killed if they intervened!

mothra wrote on Feb 1^st, 2017 at 1:26pm:

Why is it that threads like these undermine the very powerful work being don by Muslim feminists. It's like they don't even exist.

Yes, it is like that.

Hirsi is as always, trying to cleverly disguise her real agenda - in this case by trying to wedge western feminists.

This specific charge against western feminists in regard to women in the muslim world is a strawman - thats the first point. Hirsi herself would surely know that the accusation that feminists "don't care" about women in the muslim world simply doesn't stack up, and is unfair. Thats why she is directing the conversation towards "Quranic and Islamic Law" - by contextualising abuse of women's rights within absolute definitions (instead of acknowledging her definition as merely one interpretation) of "Islamic law" , she is making (or at least attempting to make) standing up for women's rights and condemnation of Islam one in the same.

Her agenda, as always, is the delegitimisation of Islam itself. She is merely using the ruse of women's rights as a cynical tool for this end.

When Muhammed struck his favourite child bride, it was because he loved her and was concerned for her safety if she went outside again without his permission, right Gandalf?

freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 10:18pm:

https://www.prageru.com/courses/political-science/why-dont-feminists-fight-muslim-women Are women oppressed in Muslim countries? What about in Islamic enclaves in the West? Are these places violating or fulfilling the Quran and Islamic law?

The answer is that the Left's long-term political ambitions needs the votes of all the immigrant minorities in order to increase its mandate to rule, and so feminist activism has been put aside for the greater purpose of ingratiating with the minorities for their votes.

The vast majority of Muslim women don't see themselves as 'oppressed' or as being 'second-class citizens', and so they view it as insulting to both themselves, their menfolk, and to Islam itself when Western feminists tell them they are chattels to their husbands, and they are inferior creatures according to the patriarchal edicts of the Koran.

Western feminists were stopped in their tracks when they realised they weren't winning the sympathy and gratitude of the vast majority of Muslim women, and so it became counter-productive to their socialist proselytizing to pursue this line of feminist complaint on their behalf any longer.

freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2017 at 7:15pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 1st, 2017 at 1:26pm: Why is it that threads like these undermine the very powerful work being don by Muslim feminists. It's like they don't even exist. Yes, it is like that.

;D ;D ;D