A few weeks ago, it was a bit of fun to suggest that Trump might be removed from office but now, just a couple weeks into his administration, questions are being raised not just about his suitability for the job, but his mental fitness to hold the office.

Right from day one, we have witnessed the unedifying spectacle of Trump proclaiming his Inauguration as the 'biggest in history', despite proof that it was in fact, the lowest attendance in twenty years. That of course, introduced the new phrase 'alternative facts', which shocked the nation and the world and embarrassed Americans from coast-to-coast. But nothing could quite prepare the people for Trump insider Conway claiming that the Bowling Green Massacre had not been reported by the media when there was in fact, no such massacre or any loss of life at all. Suddenly, the quirkiness of the Trump team started to look less like incompetence and more like delusional and unbalanced behaviour.

Donald Trumps abusive phone call to Australian PM Malcolm Turnbull raised more than a few eyebrows as once again, the new President lowered the reputation of the United States across the globe. But who would have predicted Monday's astonishing claim that his current pet hate - the media - had for some years deliberately NOT reported terrorist massacres for some unstated 'hidden agenda'. He then listed these attacks, including the Nice assaults, the Paris attacks and even Australia's Lindt Cafe hostage crisis. As everyone who was alive during that time will testify, these events garnished massive media coverage worldwide. No one could even possibly be unaware that they had occurred. Except Donald Trump.

Yes, Donald Trump thought that these events were 'hidden' from the public. Even his later 'correction' that they were simply 'under-reported' remains a gross delusion.

So now it seems we don't just have an inexperienced or openly hostile President. We have a Chief Elected Official of the USA subject to very obvious signs of paranoid delusions and when matched with his rather obvious Narcissistic Personality Disorder, a clearly dangerous and highly unstable man.

Removing him from office is deliberately difficult to limit the spectre of mere political retribution, but even his Republican colleagues are now openly questioning Trump's, suitability for the job. It is now only a matter of time before either the 25th amendment or Impeachment removes him from the seat of power that he is so clearly and obviously unqualified to hold.

Most Americans - including those embarrassed folks who voted for him - will breathe a sigh of relief, as will the rest of the world. All except Vladimir Putin of course.

Reprinted with Permission

i'll be very surprised if he lasts a full term.

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 8:01am:

i'll be very surprised if he lasts a full term.

At his current speed of craziness, I think he could be removed by mid-year. He is clearly showing signs of paranoid delusion and his team is so incompetent that they literally work in some darkened offices in the West Wing because they dont know how to turn the lights on and there is no one left to even ask.

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/terrorism-not-even-being-reported-trump-cites-sydney-siege-in-list-of-attacks/ar-AAmGncQ?li=AAabC8j&ocid=spartandhp

Will Trump be deemed unfit for office?

One can only hope!

The sooner he goes the better!

Redmond Neck wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 8:38am:

Will Trump be deemed unfit for office? One can only hope! The sooner he goes the better!

It is like a reality show where they always choose the most inappropriate and unsuitable people for the job just so we can watch and laugh.

No one is laughing... except perhaps Hillary Clinton.

While I agree that Americans should be concerned with:

Illegal immigration.
Islamic infiltration.
Cheap communist labour used to undercut American workers.
American economic support of despotic governments.

Trump has shown himself to be incompetent in dealing with these issues. His incompetence is manifested in the idea that he can "go it alone." I am not sure that stupidity makes  one unfit for office. We have seen it before. It was just better dressed up.

issuevoter wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 8:58am:

Trump has shown himself to be incompetent in dealing with these issues. His incompetence is manifested in the idea that he can "go it alone." I am not sure that stupidity makes  one unfit for office. We have seen it before. It was just better dressed up.

I agree, for me the problem isn't so much in Trump himself, but whos beneath him.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 9:00am:

I agree, for me the problem isn't so much in Trump himself, but whos beneath him.

it's not their fault, Trump only puts yes men in ... anyone questions his judgement and they get sacked. The ones who should speak up are the other republican senators and congressmen

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 8:01am:

i'll be very surprised if he lasts a full term.

Oh.

Is that because it is obvious, that many people [who oppose his opinions and his worldview], are trying to assassinate him ?

If not [yet] his actual person, then trying to assassinate his character.



Dictionary;
assault = = a violent attack.          an act that threatens physical harm to a person, whether or not actual harm is done.


Dictionary;
disparage = = represent as being of little worth; scorn.




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HEY PEOPLE !!!!!!!

Donald John Trump, was lawfully elected to office, as president of the United States of America.



He came.

He entered the race.

He WON.






When People Laughed At The Idea Of Trump Actually Being Elected President! [Compilation]
https://youtu.be/zT0Rjc6jKCg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT0Rjc6jKCg


'Winners are grinners!'       folks!


But unfortunately, everyone else seems to have eaten sour grapes!!!!!          ;D

The Trump sideshow has stopped being simply funny - not that it isnt hilarious - but now it is downright dangerous.

Yadda wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 9:21am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 8:01am: i'll be very surprised if he lasts a full term. But unfortunately, everyone else seems to have eaten sour grapes!!!!!          ;D

Ever thought of addressing the ACTUAL TOPIC, monkey-breath?

Yadda wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 9:21am:

Is that because it is obvious, that many people [who oppose his opinions and his worldview], are trying to assassinate him ?

cause those who opposed Obama were happy to go along with everything he did, right?  :D :D :D

idiot

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 9:23am:

Yadda wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 9:21am: John Smith wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 8:01am: i'll be very surprised if he lasts a full term. But unfortunately, everyone else seems to have eaten sour grapes!!!!!          ;D Ever thought of addressing the ACTUAL TOPIC.............?

I am.

Donald Trump is being disparaged in this thread, because the Leftists candidate LOST the lawful contest.

And the Leftists hate the thought that Donald Trump is going to expose the Leftist worldview, for what it is.

Rank EVIL and WICKEDNESS.

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 8:36am:

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/terrorism-not-even-being-reported-trump-cites-sydney-siege-in-list-of-attacks/ar-AAmGncQ?li=AAabC8j&ocid=spartandhp

He doesn't even care that his lies can be easily refuted.

It's as though he actually believes his own bullshit.

Love him or loathe him, it's quite obvious that he has a serious mental illness.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 9:37am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 8:36am: http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/terrorism-not-even-being-reported-trump-cites-sydney-siege-in-list-of-attacks/ar-AAmGncQ?li=AAabC8j&ocid=spartandhp He doesn't even care that his lies can be easily refuted. It's as though he actually believes his own bullshit. Love him or loathe him, it's quite obvious that he has a serious mental illness.

he makes it too  easy. :D


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-08/mia-ayliffe-chungs-mother-criticises-white-house-terrorism-claim/8250410

Yadda wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 9:29am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 9:23am: Yadda wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 9:21am: John Smith wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 8:01am: i'll be very surprised if he lasts a full term. But unfortunately, everyone else seems to have eaten sour grapes!!!!!          ;D Ever thought of addressing the ACTUAL TOPIC.............? I am. Donald Trump is being disparaged in this thread, because ...

... he lies every single time he opens his mouth, and he is demonstrably unable to fulfill the duties of the office he was elected to.

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 9:39am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 9:37am: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 8:36am: http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/terrorism-not-even-being-reported-trump-cites-sydney-siege-in-list-of-attacks/ar-AAmGncQ?li=AAabC8j&ocid=spartandhp He doesn't even care that his lies can be easily refuted. It's as though he actually believes his own bullshit. Love him or loathe him, it's quite obvious that he has a serious mental illness. he makes it too  easy. :D http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-08/mia-ayliffe-chungs-mother-criticises-white-house-terrorism-claim/8250410

"There was, in fact, a terrorist attack shortly after Mr. Trump issued his immigration order: a white supremacist, officials say, armed himself with an assault rifle and stormed a mosque in Quebec City, slaughtering six Muslims during their prayers. Mr. Trump has not said a word about that massacre — although he was quick to tell America on Twitter to "get smart" when, a few days later, an Egyptian man wielding a knife attacked a military patrol in Paris, injuring one soldier."

"Trump sees terrorism only as perpetrated by Muslims - and all Muslims are complicit.

"And attacks in which the victims are Muslims don't seem to rate. Barely mentioned on the Trump list were countries most affects by terrorism from Islamist extremists."

The madness of Donald Trump's attack on the media

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 9:41am:

Yadda wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 9:29am: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 9:23am: Yadda wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 9:21am: John Smith wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 8:01am: i'll be very surprised if he lasts a full term. But unfortunately, everyone else seems to have eaten sour grapes!!!!!          ;D Ever thought of addressing the ACTUAL TOPIC.............? I am. Donald Trump is being disparaged in this thread, because ... ... he lies every single time he opens his mouth, and he is demonstrably unable to fulfill the duties of the office he was elected to.

And that is YOUR opinion.





Never ending.

greggery posting his opinion.

IMAGE....
https://media.giphy.com/media/DS5kXPTwMsihW/giphy.gif

Horse shite

Yadda wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 9:47am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 9:41am: Yadda wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 9:29am: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 9:23am: Yadda wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 9:21am: John Smith wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 8:01am: i'll be very surprised if he lasts a full term. But unfortunately, everyone else seems to have eaten sour grapes!!!!!          ;D Ever thought of addressing the ACTUAL TOPIC.............? I am. Donald Trump is being disparaged in this thread, because ... ... he lies every single time he opens his mouth, and he is demonstrably unable to fulfill the duties of the office he was elected to. And that is YOUR opinion.

No.

It's a fact.

Yadda == brainwashed idiot who continues to support an alleged child rapist who admits to sexually assaulting women   <------------ dictionary definition

"Trump sees terrorism only as perpetrated by Muslims - and all Muslims are complicit."

Just like the rightards in this forum.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 9:45am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 9:39am: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 9:37am: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 8:36am: http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/terrorism-not-even-being-reported-trump-cites-sydney-siege-in-list-of-attacks/ar-AAmGncQ?li=AAabC8j&ocid=spartandhp He doesn't even care that his lies can be easily refuted. It's as though he actually believes his own bullshit. Love him or loathe him, it's quite obvious that he has a serious mental illness. he makes it too  easy. :D http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-08/mia-ayliffe-chungs-mother-criticises-white-house-terrorism-claim/8250410 "There was, in fact, a terrorist attack shortly after Mr. Trump issued his immigration order: a white supremacist, officials say, armed himself with an assault rifle and stormed a mosque in Quebec City, slaughtering six Muslims during their prayers. Mr. Trump has not said a word about that massacre — although he was quick to tell America on Twitter to "get smart" when, a few days later, an Egyptian man wielding a knife attacked a military patrol in Paris, injuring one soldier." "Trump sees terrorism only as perpetrated by Muslims - and all Muslims are complicit. "And attacks in which the victims are Muslims don't seem to rate. Barely mentioned on the Trump list were countries most affects by terrorism from Islamist extremists." The madness of Donald Trump's attack on the media

Google;
msm hiding terror, mental illness




Quote:

About 2,100,000 results MSM call Washington mall murder mentally ill instead of a terrorist ... How the Media Covers Up Muslim and #BlackLivesMatter Terrorism ... New mantra to deny Islamic terror: 'Mental illness' - WND.com Report: MSM Desperately Trying to Hide Muslim Faith of NYC ... www.truthrevolt.org/.../report-msm-desperately-trying-hide-muslim-faith-nyc-bombers - Cached 21 Sep 2016 ... In the wake of last weekend's terrorist attacks in Minnesota and the ... you will notice the muslim European terrorists, all seem to be mentally ill.

etc, etc, etc........



i.e.
Attacks are NOT ISLAMIC terrorism.

Oh no !!!!!!!!!

'It was just some poor mentally ill        'person'        did something he shouldn't have done.'

delusional == Yadda    <------------ dictionary definition

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 10:03am:

delusional == Yadda    <------------ dictionary definition

greggery,

That is simply your 'deflection', away from substance.



Your try to smear my character/competence,           in your POST-TRUTH attempt to avoid confronting          the substance         of          my argument          and          the substance of the evidence which i presented         in my post.....

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1486504805/21#21





greggery,

You are WEAK, you present no logical argument.

And have proven yourself to be a liar and deceiver in this forum **,
so nothing you say in this forum has any CREDIBILITY.


**
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1486445155/104#104




People who visit this forum will read our posts, and they will weigh the evidence, and they will make a judgement about what we both have presented here.

:)

Redmond Neck wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 8:38am:

Will Trump be deemed unfit for office? One can only hope! The sooner he goes the better!

Not before little Malcolm Trumble hits the road, and Billy Shortarse will be still waiting at the gate........

Yadda wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 10:23am:

People who visit this forum will read our posts, and they will weigh the evidence, and they will make a judgement about what we both have presented here.

Most people don't read your posts, Yadda.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 10:31am:

Yadda wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 10:23am: People who visit this forum will read our posts, and they will weigh the evidence, and they will make a judgement about what we both have presented here. Most people don't read your posts, Yadda.

And you would be 'most people' would you haemorrhoid?

Fuzzball wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 10:33am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 10:31am: Yadda wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 10:23am: People who visit this forum will read our posts, and they will weigh the evidence, and they will make a judgement about what we both have presented here. Most people don't read your posts, Yadda. And you would be 'most people' would you haemorrhoid?

there was a poll on the forum once, yadda was voted the most ignored. I'd bet even you don't read all his gibberish

He lies every single time he opens his mouth, and he is demonstrably unable to fulfill the duties of the office he was elected to.

/thread

Yadda wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 9:29am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 9:23am: Yadda wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 9:21am: John Smith wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 8:01am: i'll be very surprised if he lasts a full term. But unfortunately, everyone else seems to have eaten sour grapes!!!!!          ;D Ever thought of addressing the ACTUAL TOPIC.............? I am. Donald Trump is being disparaged in this thread, because the Leftists candidate LOST the lawful contest. And the Leftists hate the thought that Donald Trump is going to expose the Leftist worldview, for what it is. Rank EVIL and WICKEDNESS.

READ THE OPENING POST you dimwitted, illiterate retard.  Comment on that.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 10:31am:

Yadda wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 10:23am: People who visit this forum will read our posts, and they will weigh the evidence, and they will make a judgement about what we both have presented here. Most people don't read your posts, Yadda.

I generally skip right past. I certainly never read them word for word. He fills it with annoying white space and intersperses with out of context quotes and then fills the rest with just his own ramblings unrelated to the actual content of the thread. He is like death rides a bong... never bother reading.

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 8:01am:

i'll be very surprised if he lasts a full term.

@Anyone...  Ok, if you were assigned to find a way to legally remove President Trump from office, precisely where in the Constitution would you find the reasons, the particular conditions necessary, that need to be proven, & proven to what parts of government, & how would you go about doing so, completely based upon your actual Constitutional findings, & Law?

Please cite exactly where in the US Constitution you find the authorities to remove a sitting President of the United States of America due to fitness (your definition of "FITNESS" must fit the law(s) you cite).

To start you in the right direction on your hypothetical quest, may I suggest one of a hundred starting places......US Constitution

PS....your quest may be hypothetical, but the grounds for removal, the process that must be followed, & legal findings (Constitutionality) must be factual (real...legitimate).......

Even if a way to remove him cannot be found..just let the BLOTUS rant and rave for 4 years..then the next election will end his shameful diarreahh anyway.. close your ears and don't listen/read. No oxygen would kill the putrid sack of shyt anyway.

who said anything about legal? the CIA has other methods
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/if2ob-nZ3lM/0.jpg

Agnes wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:07pm:

Even if a way to remove him cannot be found..just let the BLOTUS rant and rave for 4 years..then the next election will end his shameful diarreahh anyway.. close your ears and don't listen/read. No oxygen would kill the putrid sack of shyt anyway.

Ok.....one anti-Trump, chest thumper, eliminated.....a dozen or so to go.


  AGNES    https://i.imgsafe.org/fa6437d.gif

Panther wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:14pm:

Ok.....one anti-Trump, chest thumper, eliminated.....a dozen or so to go.

you haven't eliminated anyone ... you're dreaming if you think he cannot be impeached.

Agnes wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:07pm:

Even if a way to remove him cannot be found..just let the BLOTUS rant and rave for 4 years..then the next election will end his shameful diarreahh anyway..

LOL

Sorry, but barring an actual assassination, its going to be,        8 YEARS!

Bank on it.

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 8:11am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 8:01am: i'll be very surprised if he lasts a full term. At his current speed of craziness, I think he could be removed by mid-year. He is clearly showing signs of paranoid delusion and his team is so incompetent that they literally work in some darkened offices in the West Wing because they dont know how to turn the lights on and there is no one left to even ask.

What's far more likely than impeachment is the public's willingness to suck up the lies.

Well, 50% of the public. The US has never been so divided, even during Vietnam and Watergate. The other 50% will continue to rail and protest against Trump, making almost everything Trump does smell like sh/t. Trump can't possibly govern for all Americans, and there's no sign in his behaviour that he ever intended to.

Trump will prevail because the public has such low expectations of him, but he will certainly get nothing of any merit done. All Trump has to do is deliver on his breaking a few eggs promise - undo the work of Obama, break up federal agencies, get rid of a few taxes for the rich.

Trump will get his 4 years because the voters gave those 4 years away. The world will become accustomed to Trump, just as you get used to most afflictions. Trump's transparent spin will give us no end of entertainment - made even more compelling by the fact that this is the highest office in the world. This is not TV, it's reality.

Don't worry, Longy, you'll get used to it. You have no choice.

Karnal wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:36pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 8:11am: John Smith wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 8:01am: i'll be very surprised if he lasts a full term. At his current speed of craziness, I think he could be removed by mid-year. He is clearly showing signs of paranoid delusion and his team is so incompetent that they literally work in some darkened offices in the West Wing because they dont know how to turn the lights on and there is no one left to even ask. What's far more likely than impeachment is the public's willingness to suck up the lies. Well, 50% of the public. The US has never been so divided, even during Vietnam and Watergate. The other 50% will continue to rail and protest against Trump, making almost everything Trump does smell like sh/t. Trump can't possibly govern for all Americans, and there's no sign in his behaviour that he ever intended to. Trump will prevail because the public has such low expectations of him, but he will certainly get nothing of any merit done. All Trump has to do is deliver on his breaking a few eggs promise - undo the work of Obama, break up federal agencies, get rid of a few taxes for the rich. Trump will get his 4 years because the voters gave those 4 years away. The world will become accustomed to Trump, just as you get used to most afflictions. Trump's transparent spin will give us no end of entertainment - made even more compelling by the fact that this is the highest office in the world. This is not TV, it's reality. Don't worry, Longy, you'll get used to it. You have no choice.

What sort of message would get sent if the leftists whinged so much  that Trump got the sack? It would put on display how the US political system is undemocratic and would put the country into massive social division and decay. The best thing is to let it run it's course and stick to the system.

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:40pm:

It would put on display how the US political system is undemocratic

that horse has long bolted

3 million less votes and he still won  :D :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:13pm:

who said anything about legal? the CIA has other methods https://i.ytimg.com/vi/if2ob-nZ3lM/0.jpg

  Oh joy I am all excited..now don't be building my hopes up Mr Smith..steady as she goes . [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif]

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:17pm:

Panther wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 4:14pm: Ok.....one anti-Trump, chest thumper, eliminated.....a dozen or so to go. you haven't eliminated anyone ... you're dreaming if you think he cannot be impeached.

Anything can happen in US Politics.......but that said, NO SITTING US PRESIDENT over 230+ years has ever been forcibly removed from office via Impeachment.

Only 2 were impeached in over 230+ years.....Neither were removed.

President Donald J. Trump can be, but won't be legally removed from office outside of not being reelected. In American history, being reelected is overwhelmingly in an incumbent's favor if he wants a second term, & runs for a second term.


@John Smith...... Up to the challenge?....

For what, according to what law, & how?

Why not join Agnes??  8-) ::)

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:41pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 4:40pm: It would put on display how the US political system is undemocratic that horse has long bolted 3 million less votes and he still won  :D :D :D :D

Clinton won twice on less primary votes numbskull. It's not the first time it's happened.

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:40pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 4:36pm: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 8:11am: John Smith wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 8:01am: i'll be very surprised if he lasts a full term. At his current speed of craziness, I think he could be removed by mid-year. He is clearly showing signs of paranoid delusion and his team is so incompetent that they literally work in some darkened offices in the West Wing because they dont know how to turn the lights on and there is no one left to even ask. What's far more likely than impeachment is the public's willingness to suck up the lies. Well, 50% of the public. The US has never been so divided, even during Vietnam and Watergate. The other 50% will continue to rail and protest against Trump, making almost everything Trump does smell like sh/t. Trump can't possibly govern for all Americans, and there's no sign in his behaviour that he ever intended to. Trump will prevail because the public has such low expectations of him, but he will certainly get nothing of any merit done. All Trump has to do is deliver on his breaking a few eggs promise - undo the work of Obama, break up federal agencies, get rid of a few taxes for the rich. Trump will get his 4 years because the voters gave those 4 years away. The world will become accustomed to Trump, just as you get used to most afflictions. Trump's transparent spin will give us no end of entertainment - made even more compelling by the fact that this is the highest office in the world. This is not TV, it's reality. Don't worry, Longy, you'll get used to it. You have no choice. What sort of message would get sent if the leftists whinged so much  that Trump got the sack? It would put on display how the US political system is undemocratic and would put the country into massive social division and decay. The best thing is to let it run it's course and stick to the system.

It depends on the consequences of sticking with that system.

It's not just leftists screaming about Trump. For the most part, it's Republicans, judges, administrators and constitutional conservatives.

I can't see how Trump can get much done when he's opposed at every turn. Is that the system you want to stick with?

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 4:41pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 4:40pm: It would put on display how the US political system is undemocratic that horse has long bolted 3 million less votes and he still won  :D :D :D :D Clinton won twice on less primary votes numbskull. It's not the first time it's happened.

how does that make it more democratic?  :D :D

Panther wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 4:17pm: Panther wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 4:14pm: Ok.....one anti-Trump, chest thumper, eliminated.....a dozen or so to go. you haven't eliminated anyone ... you're dreaming if you think he cannot be impeached. Anything can happen in US Politics.......but that said, NO SITTING US PRESIDENT over 230+ years has ever been forcibly removed from office via Impeachment. Only 2 were impeached in over 230+ years.....Neither were removed. President Donald J. Trump can be, but won't be legally removed from office outside of not being reelected. In American history, being reelected is overwhelmingly in an incumbent's favor if he wants a second term, & runs for a second term. [font=comic sans ms]@John Smith...... Up to the challenge?.... For what, according to what law, & how? Why not join Agnes??  8-) ::)[/font]

are you arguing that it is technically impossible?  ::)

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 4:41pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 4:40pm: It would put on display how the US political system is undemocratic that horse has long bolted 3 million less votes and he still won  :D :D :D :D Clinton won twice on less primary votes numbskull. It's not the first time it's happened.

We'll let you prove that claim, Homo.

Karnal wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:48pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 4:44pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 4:41pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 4:40pm: It would put on display how the US political system is undemocratic that horse has long bolted 3 million less votes and he still won  :D :D :D :D Clinton won twice on less primary votes numbskull. It's not the first time it's happened. We'll let you prove that claim, Homo.

Bill Clinton won the popular vote twice, both times with less than 50 percent of the total. Al Gore won the popular vote in 2000, but lost the Electoral College and the presidency. George W. Bush won re-election in 2004. Barack Obama won twice. And now it appears Clinton has won the popular contest as well. That’s six out of seven.

Panther wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 4:17pm: Panther wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 4:14pm: Ok.....one anti-Trump, chest thumper, eliminated.....a dozen or so to go. you haven't eliminated anyone ... you're dreaming if you think he cannot be impeached. Anything can happen in US Politics.......but that said, NO SITTING US PRESIDENT over 230+ years has ever been forcibly removed from office via Impeachment. Only 2 were impeached in over 230+ years.....Neither were removed. President Donald J. Trump can be, but won't be legally removed from office outside of not being reelected. In American history, being reelected is overwhelmingly in an incumbent's favor if he wants a second term, & runs for a second term. Up to the challenge?.... For what, according to what law, & how? Why not join Agnes??  8-) ::)

Look Clinton and his cigar thing was not an impeachment worthy offence, in fact some say Bill was one of the US best presidents..but Twump is so ignorant it won't be something as silly as a little affair that will see him impeached...most likely be the fact he is rorting the system via his business interests that he is not being honest about..something pretty major and he will provide plenty of impeachable offences for them to choose from...it must already be a massive migraine having a 70 yr old demented toddler in da house..

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:51pm:

Bill Clinton won the popular vote twice

you do realise that means he got the most votes? right?  :D :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:52pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 4:51pm: Bill Clinton won the popular vote twice you do realise that means he got the most votes? right?  :D :D :D :D

Yeah, less than 50%. Gore got the most primary votes and still lost.

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 4:52pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 4:51pm: Bill Clinton won the popular vote twice you do realise that means he got the most votes? right?  :D :D :D :D Yeah, less than 50%. Gore got the most primary votes and still lost.

it doesn't matter if it's less than 50%, they don't have preferences. They still got the most votes of all the other candidates. Trump didn't, he fell way short, by 3million.

Karnal wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:36pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 8:11am: John Smith wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 8:01am: i'll be very surprised if he lasts a full term. At his current speed of craziness, I think he could be removed by mid-year. He is clearly showing signs of paranoid delusion and his team is so incompetent that they literally work in some darkened offices in the West Wing because they dont know how to turn the lights on and there is no one left to even ask. What's far more likely than impeachment is the public's willingness to suck up the lies. Well, 50% of the public. The US has never been so divided, even during Vietnam and Watergate. The other 50% will continue to rail and protest against Trump, making almost everything Trump does smell like sh/t. Trump can't possibly govern for all Americans, and there's no sign in his behaviour that he ever intended to. Trump will prevail because the public has such low expectations of him, but he will certainly get nothing of any merit done. All Trump has to do is deliver on his breaking a few eggs promise - undo the work of Obama, break up federal agencies, get rid of a few taxes for the rich. Trump will get his 4 years because the voters gave those 4 years away. The world will become accustomed to Trump, just as you get used to most afflictions. Trump's transparent spin will give us no end of entertainment - made even more compelling by the fact that this is the highest office in the world. This is not TV, it's reality. Don't worry, Longy, you'll get used to it. You have no choice.

Even the idiot trumpoids cannot put up forever with the paranoid insanity of this clown. Even sprinty has gone quiet as he watches his king go mad(der). Here he is claiming that media isnt reporting terrorist attacks that literally have 24/7 coverage for weeks. Conway is literally MAKING UP terrorist attacks.

Even the dumbest-of-the-dumb are going to pick up the problems in this. The republicans know he is a fool and will be just as happy to be rid of him.

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:51pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 4:48pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 4:44pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 4:41pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 4:40pm: It would put on display how the US political system is undemocratic that horse has long bolted 3 million less votes and he still won  :D :D :D :D Clinton won twice on less primary votes numbskull. It's not the first time it's happened. We'll let you prove that claim, Homo. Bill Clinton won the popular vote twice, both times with less than 50 percent of the total. Al Gore won the popular vote in 2000, but lost the Electoral College and the presidency. George W. Bush won re-election in 2004. Barack Obama won twice. And now it appears Clinton has won the popular contest as well. That’s six out of seven.

Everyone wins with less than 50% of the total, Homo, because the total doesn't vote.

I'm asking you to back up your claim that Clinton lost the popular vote - twice. This was your claim. Will you prove it?

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 5:18pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 4:36pm: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 8:11am: John Smith wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 8:01am: i'll be very surprised if he lasts a full term. At his current speed of craziness, I think he could be removed by mid-year. He is clearly showing signs of paranoid delusion and his team is so incompetent that they literally work in some darkened offices in the West Wing because they dont know how to turn the lights on and there is no one left to even ask. What's far more likely than impeachment is the public's willingness to suck up the lies. Well, 50% of the public. The US has never been so divided, even during Vietnam and Watergate. The other 50% will continue to rail and protest against Trump, making almost everything Trump does smell like sh/t. Trump can't possibly govern for all Americans, and there's no sign in his behaviour that he ever intended to. Trump will prevail because the public has such low expectations of him, but he will certainly get nothing of any merit done. All Trump has to do is deliver on his breaking a few eggs promise - undo the work of Obama, break up federal agencies, get rid of a few taxes for the rich. Trump will get his 4 years because the voters gave those 4 years away. The world will become accustomed to Trump, just as you get used to most afflictions. Trump's transparent spin will give us no end of entertainment - made even more compelling by the fact that this is the highest office in the world. This is not TV, it's reality. Don't worry, Longy, you'll get used to it. You have no choice. Even the idiot trumpoids cannot put up forever with the paranoid insanity of this clown. Even sprinty has gone quiet as he watches his king go mad(der). Here he is claiming that media isnt reporting terrorist attacks that literally have 24/7 coverage for weeks. Conway is literally MAKING UP terrorist attacks. Even the dumbest-of-the-dumb are going to pick up the problems in this. The republicans know he is a fool and will be just as happy to be rid of him.

The dumbest will hang in there, Longy, just as you stuck up for Mr Abbott a long as you possibly could.

Trump, of course, is no comparison, but the dummies love him because he promotes bigotry. Do this, it seems, and you'll get a crowd of rusted-ons no matter what else you do or say.

Bush got 8 years. The dummies only came around in his second term. Sure they'll come to on Trump, but they'll give him his chance to do as much damage first.

The objective for a significant number of people is to wreak as much havoc as possible - anywhere. Only when they see that havoc wreaked upon them will they finally see reason and stop their current crap.

Karnal wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 5:34pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 5:18pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 4:36pm: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 8:11am: John Smith wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 8:01am: i'll be very surprised if he lasts a full term. At his current speed of craziness, I think he could be removed by mid-year. He is clearly showing signs of paranoid delusion and his team is so incompetent that they literally work in some darkened offices in the West Wing because they dont know how to turn the lights on and there is no one left to even ask. What's far more likely than impeachment is the public's willingness to suck up the lies. Well, 50% of the public. The US has never been so divided, even during Vietnam and Watergate. The other 50% will continue to rail and protest against Trump, making almost everything Trump does smell like sh/t. Trump can't possibly govern for all Americans, and there's no sign in his behaviour that he ever intended to. Trump will prevail because the public has such low expectations of him, but he will certainly get nothing of any merit done. All Trump has to do is deliver on his breaking a few eggs promise - undo the work of Obama, break up federal agencies, get rid of a few taxes for the rich. Trump will get his 4 years because the voters gave those 4 years away. The world will become accustomed to Trump, just as you get used to most afflictions. Trump's transparent spin will give us no end of entertainment - made even more compelling by the fact that this is the highest office in the world. This is not TV, it's reality. Don't worry, Longy, you'll get used to it. You have no choice. Even the idiot trumpoids cannot put up forever with the paranoid insanity of this clown. Even sprinty has gone quiet as he watches his king go mad(der). Here he is claiming that media isnt reporting terrorist attacks that literally have 24/7 coverage for weeks. Conway is literally MAKING UP terrorist attacks. Even the dumbest-of-the-dumb are going to pick up the problems in this. The republicans know he is a fool and will be just as happy to be rid of him. The dumbest will hang in there, Longy, just as you stuck up for Mr Abbott a long as you possibly could. Trump, of course, is no comparison, but the dummies love him because he promotes bigotry. Do this, it seems, and you'll get a crowd of rusted-ons no matter what else you do or say. Bush got 8 years. The dummies only came around in his second term. Sure they'll come to on Trump, but they'll give him his chance to do as much damage first. The objective for a significant number of people is to wreak as much havoc as possible - anywhere. Only when they see that havoc wreaked upon them will they finally see reason and stop their current crap.

Trump is a special case. Presidents have been good and poor. But this one is beyond incompetent, setting new standards by which others will be measured.  His incredible lies will eventually toke hold of even the craziest nutjobs. You can only say the sky is orange for so long
before people actually look up and see it is blue.

Notice how sprint has already given up? Even mechanic has slowed down. Panther and hammer will keep going tho as they are out-and-out racists and such people have no pride... or morals.

Sprint has not given up, Longy, nor has Mechanic, and nor will Panther or Homo.

None of them give a hoot if they're proven wrong, and they are proven so on a daily basis. They believe they can get away with it, if you don't mind me saying, because they think they're that good.

What's actually the case, however, is they think everyone else is as dumb as they are.

Year 9 maths, innit.

John Smith wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 5:04pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 4:55pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 4:52pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 4:51pm: Bill Clinton won the popular vote twice you do realise that means he got the most votes? right?  :D :D :D :D Yeah, less than 50%. Gore got the most primary votes and still lost. it doesn't matter if it's less than 50%, they don't have preferences. They still got the most votes of all the other candidates. Trump didn't, he fell way short, by 3million.

When will you dickwad, idiot, muthafawkers ever get it through your thick muthafawking skulls....

America was not founded as a Democracy, America never was a Democracy, & America never will be a Democracy!

America is a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC.

Everything in America evolves around the "Rule of Law".

Everything in America evolves around the United States Constitution.

Source:      Wikipedia      
Quote:

The Twelfth Amendment (Amendment XII) to the United States Constitution provides the procedure for electing the President and Vice President. It replaced the procedure provided in Article II, Section 1, Clause 3, by which the Electoral College originally functioned. Problems with the original procedure arose in the elections of 1796 and 1800. The Twelfth Amendment refined the process whereby a President and a Vice President are elected by the Electoral College. The amendment was proposed by the Congress on December 9, 1803, and was ratified by the requisite three-fourths of state legislatures on June 15, 1804......continued

The American Founding Fathers despised the premise of 50% + 1 wins.....Mob Rule......where the majority will always subjugate the minority........The American Founding Fathers despised the thought that America would become that Democracy, & they did everything in their power to make sure America would never be that Democracy when crafting the Constitution.

They devised a method to employ regarding the elections of Presidents & Vice Presidents.

Read the Laws that America will abide by when electing a President & Vice President in every National Election for President & Vice President.....Article II  Section I, later revised with the 12^th Amendment to the US Constitution.

Everyone running for President & Vice President knows full well that they are not campaigning for the Popular Vote, they are campaigning for States, & the Electoral College Members chosen by those States to represent thenm when the Electoral Collage.....not the People.....cast their votes for the President & Vice President of the United States of America.

Who wins the Presidential Election vote wise, the 'National Popularity Contest',  is totally & absolutely immaterial.

Who wins the most Electoral College Votes, on the other hand, is all important.

Anyone that thinks otherwise is ignorant of American Law provided within the United States Constitution.

So 3 million more votes means dick-squat ........ Unfortunately for the loser of the 2016 Presidential Election, they were cast in the wrong places.....pure & simple.....they had nothing to do with deciding the election of the President & Vice President of the United States.

America is governed by the United States Constitution.

America is not a Democracy........it's a Constitutional Republic!

..

Karnal wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:36pm:

Trump will prevail because the public has such low expectations of him, but he will certainly get nothing of any merit done. All Trump has to do is deliver on his breaking a few eggs promise - undo the work of Obama, break up federal agencies, get rid of a few taxes for the rich.

I see one of 3 things happening during this term:

1. Trump will bumble around propose all sorts of outrageous policies but get blocked at every turn. He will become nothing more than a media spectacle, flailing around saying all sorts of outrageous, yet ultimately harmless stuff. Meanwhile the repug controlled congress will push through all the repug-agenda stuff - with the Trump spectacle providing a useful cover for some of the more extreme elements of that agenda.

2. Trump will actually use his executive powers to remove or greatly diminish the system of checks and balances to get his agenda through and consolidate his grip on power. This will move America towards an authoritarian system. Whether or not this is possible will come down to the legal nuances of the American constitution and what loopholes are open to Trump, and how successful he will be at exploiting them.

3. Number 2 is attempted, but thwarted by the repug congress, who impeach Trump and force his resignation. But this will only happen if and when the repug agenda is pushed through congress and sufficiently set in stone. This includes the all important stacking of the supreme court with conservatives (the main reason why establishment repug's finally rallied behind Trump). I would imagine the repugs already have a sufficient mechanism to impeach Trump - probably in relation to his many business conflicts of interest - which can pretty much be triggered at any moment.

I see one and only one thing happening:

Delusional, infantile crybabies continuing to scrape the bottom of the barrel for ways to try and rationalise their irrational, dogmatic, contrived opinions.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 10:36am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 4:36pm: Trump will prevail because the public has such low expectations of him, but he will certainly get nothing of any merit done. All Trump has to do is deliver on his breaking a few eggs promise - undo the work of Obama, break up federal agencies, get rid of a few taxes for the rich. I see one of 3 things happening during this term: 1. Trump will bumble around propose all sorts of outrageous policies but get blocked at every turn. He will become nothing more than a media spectacle, flailing around saying all sorts of outrageous, yet ultimately harmless stuff. Meanwhile the repug controlled congress will push through all the repug-agenda stuff - with the Trump spectacle providing a useful cover for some of the more extreme elements of that agenda. 2. Trump will actually use his executive powers to remove or greatly diminish the system of checks and balances to get his agenda through and consolidate his grip on power. This will move America towards an authoritarian system. Whether or not this is possible will come down to the legal nuances of the American constitution and what loopholes are open to Trump, and how successful he will be at exploiting them. 3. Number 2 is attempted, but thwarted by the repug congress, who impeach Trump and force his resignation. But this will only happen if and when the repug agenda is pushed through congress and sufficiently set in stone. This includes the all important stacking of the supreme court with conservatives (the main reason why establishment repug's finally rallied behind Trump). I would imagine the repugs already have a sufficient mechanism to impeach Trump - probably in relation to his many business conflicts of interest - which can pretty much be triggered at any moment.

A good assessment.

At first, I though it would be #2.

However, he just doesn't have the intelligence or maturity to carry that out.

I think you're pretty much spot on with #1.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 10:36am:

1. Trump will bumble around propose all sorts of outrageous policies but get blocked at every turn. He will become nothing more than a media spectacle, flailing around saying all sorts of outrageous, yet ultimately harmless stuff. Meanwhile the repug controlled congress will push through all the repug-agenda stuff - with the Trump spectacle providing a useful cover for some of the more extreme elements of that agenda.

Yep.


http://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/imagecache/mbdxxlarge/mritems/Images/2017/1/28/0822f23a1007431294a3f250561f5953_18.jpg

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8^th, 2017 at 4:40pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 4:36pm: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 8:11am: John Smith wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 8:01am: i'll be very surprised if he lasts a full term. At his current speed of craziness, I think he could be removed by mid-year. He is clearly showing signs of paranoid delusion and his team is so incompetent that they literally work in some darkened offices in the West Wing because they dont know how to turn the lights on and there is no one left to even ask. What's far more likely than impeachment is the public's willingness to suck up the lies. Well, 50% of the public. The US has never been so divided, even during Vietnam and Watergate. The other 50% will continue to rail and protest against Trump, making almost everything Trump does smell like sh/t. Trump can't possibly govern for all Americans, and there's no sign in his behaviour that he ever intended to. Trump will prevail because the public has such low expectations of him, but he will certainly get nothing of any merit done. All Trump has to do is deliver on his breaking a few eggs promise - undo the work of Obama, break up federal agencies, get rid of a few taxes for the rich. Trump will get his 4 years because the voters gave those 4 years away. The world will become accustomed to Trump, just as you get used to most afflictions. Trump's transparent spin will give us no end of entertainment - made even more compelling by the fact that this is the highest office in the world. This is not TV, it's reality. Don't worry, Longy, you'll get used to it. You have no choice. What sort of message would get sent if the leftists whinged so much  that Trump got the sack? It would put on display how the US political system is undemocratic and would put the country into massive social division and decay. The best thing is to let it run it's course and stick to the system.

Actually, it would demonstrate the fundamental strength of the democratic system that autocratic and dictatorial people are REMOVED by that same system.

Panther wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 9:20am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 5:04pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 4:55pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 4:52pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 4:51pm: Bill Clinton won the popular vote twice you do realise that means he got the most votes? right?  :D :D :D :D Yeah, less than 50%. Gore got the most primary votes and still lost. it doesn't matter if it's less than 50%, they don't have preferences. They still got the most votes of all the other candidates. Trump didn't, he fell way short, by 3million. When will you dickwad, idiot, muthafawkers ever get it through your thick muthafawking skulls.... America was not founded as a Democracy, America never was a Democracy, & America never will be a Democracy! America is a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC. Everything in America evolves around the "Rule of Law". Everything in America evolves around the United States Constitution. Source:      Wikipedia       Quote: The Twelfth Amendment (Amendment XII) to the United States Constitution provides the procedure for electing the President and Vice President. It replaced the procedure provided in Article II, Section 1, Clause 3, by which the Electoral College originally functioned. Problems with the original procedure arose in the elections of 1796 and 1800. The Twelfth Amendment refined the process whereby a President and a Vice President are elected by the Electoral College. The amendment was proposed by the Congress on December 9, 1803, and was ratified by the requisite three-fourths of state legislatures on June 15, 1804......continued The American Founding Fathers despised the premise of 50% + 1 wins.....Mob Rule......where the majority will always subjugate the minority........The American Founding Fathers despised the thought that America would become that Democracy, & they did everything in their power to make sure America would never be that Democracy when crafting the Constitution. They devised a method to employ regarding the elections of Presidents & Vice Presidents. Read the Laws that America will abide by when electing a President & Vice President in every National Election for President & Vice President.....Article II  Section I, later revised with the 12th Amendment to the US Constitution. Everyone running for President & Vice President knows full well that they are not campaigning for the Popular Vote, they are campaigning for States, & the Electoral College Members chosen by those States to represent thenm when the Electoral Collage.....not the People.....cast their votes for the President & Vice President of the United States of America. Who wins the Presidential Election vote wise, the 'National Popularity Contest',  is totally & absolutely immaterial. Who wins the most Electoral College Votes, on the other hand, is all important. Anyone that thinks otherwise is ignorant of American Law provided within the United States Constitution. So 3 million more votes means dick-squat ........ Unfortunately for the loser of the 2016 Presidential Election, they were cast in the wrong places.....pure & simple.....they had nothing to do with deciding the election of the President & Vice President of the United States. America is governed by the United States Constitution. America is not a Democracy........it's a Constitutional Republic! ..

wow... that is possibly the stupidest and most ignorant thing youve said - and that is quite a challenge. You seem to confuse democracy-the-concept and style of government.

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 12:09pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 4:40pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 4:36pm: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 8:11am: John Smith wrote on Feb 8th, 2017 at 8:01am: i'll be very surprised if he lasts a full term. At his current speed of craziness, I think he could be removed by mid-year. He is clearly showing signs of paranoid delusion and his team is so incompetent that they literally work in some darkened offices in the West Wing because they dont know how to turn the lights on and there is no one left to even ask. What's far more likely than impeachment is the public's willingness to suck up the lies. Well, 50% of the public. The US has never been so divided, even during Vietnam and Watergate. The other 50% will continue to rail and protest against Trump, making almost everything Trump does smell like sh/t. Trump can't possibly govern for all Americans, and there's no sign in his behaviour that he ever intended to. Trump will prevail because the public has such low expectations of him, but he will certainly get nothing of any merit done. All Trump has to do is deliver on his breaking a few eggs promise - undo the work of Obama, break up federal agencies, get rid of a few taxes for the rich. Trump will get his 4 years because the voters gave those 4 years away. The world will become accustomed to Trump, just as you get used to most afflictions. Trump's transparent spin will give us no end of entertainment - made even more compelling by the fact that this is the highest office in the world. This is not TV, it's reality. Don't worry, Longy, you'll get used to it. You have no choice. What sort of message would get sent if the leftists whinged so much  that Trump got the sack? It would put on display how the US political system is undemocratic and would put the country into massive social division and decay. The best thing is to let it run it's course and stick to the system. Actually, it would demonstrate the fundamental strength of the democratic system that autocratic and dictatorial people are REMOVED by that same system.

Yeah, by a tiny whinging minority while the 46 million who voted for him lose out.

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 12:14pm:

Yeah, by a tiny whinging minority while the 46 million who voted for him lose out.

and the 49 million who voted against him win ...... also known as DEMOCRACY

John Smith wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 12:32pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 12:14pm: Yeah, by a tiny whinging minority while the 46 million who voted for him lose out. and the 49 million who voted against him win ...... also known as DEMOCRACY

Are we still talking about Trump?

If so, approximately 73.6 million people voted against him.

Approx. 62.9 million voted for him.

A gap of more than 10 million.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 12:50pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 12:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 12:14pm: Yeah, by a tiny whinging minority while the 46 million who voted for him lose out. and the 49 million who voted against him win ...... also known as DEMOCRACY Are we still talking about Trump? If so, approximately 73.6 million people voted against him. Approx. 62.9 million voted for him. A gap of more than 10 million.

thanks ... i didn't check the numbers, when he said 46 I assumed (stupidly) he'd at least get that right :D :D

John Smith wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 12:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 12:50pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 12:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 12:14pm: Yeah, by a tiny whinging minority while the 46 million who voted for him lose out. and the 49 million who voted against him win ...... also known as DEMOCRACY Are we still talking about Trump? If so, approximately 73.6 million people voted against him. Approx. 62.9 million voted for him. A gap of more than 10 million. thanks ... i didn't check the numbers, when he said 46 I assumed (stupidly) he'd at least get that right :D :D

He might have been thinking in percentages.

Approx. 46% voted for Trump.

Approx. 54% voted against him.

A gap of 8 percentage points.

Either way you look at it, most voters did NOT want Trump as their President.

The Trumptards can talk about the electoral college, and how the popular vote doesn't determine who becomes President, as much as they like.

It will never change the fact that the American voting public did NOT get the President they wanted.

Karnal wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 3:14am:

Sprint has not given up, Longy, nor has Mechanic, and nor will Panther or Homo. None of them give a hoot if they're proven wrong, and they are proven so on a daily basis. They believe they can get away with it, if you don't mind me saying, because they think they're that good. What's actually the case, however, is they think everyone else is as dumb as they are. Year 9 maths, innit.

LOL, anyone who posts on here(Ozpol) is probably in the top 20 % of the population in terms of engagement and political intelligence
its not that the population  are dumb, they just dont care.they are too disinterested to even post an opinion.
they care more about the superbowl and the winner of american idol.

Gweg thinks the american people are outraged by trumps alleged sexual assaults.
they could not give a flying f*ck.
they could not care less about lies.

They have the attention span of twitter...thats how he won the election.

year 9 maths is not neccessary to read 21 words on a tweet.

the intellectual elite are so divorced from reality.

They just make trump look strong.
no one likes a cry baby and a sore loser.
suck it up leftards, if you want to hurt trump, just suck it up.
leftards are trumps biggest asset along with the leftard media who keep attacking him (and by default , keep attacking american patriotism).

social intelligence of leftards  =  non existant.

aquascoot wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 2:26pm:

social intelligence of leftards  =  non existant.

Says the guy who plays with horses all day.

aquascoot wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 2:26pm:

Gweg thinks the american people are outraged by trumps alleged sexual assaults.

No.

Greg is outraged that the American people aren't outraged by Trump's self-confessed sexual assaults.

Greg is also a little concerned that you spend every day in here defending a self-confessed sexual predator.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 2:40pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 2:26pm: social intelligence of leftards  =  non existant. Says the guy who plays with horses all day.

ah, not so.
2 things , i have found, will bring me back to reality again and again and again.
working with horses and running a business (interacting with the public).

theres the way you would "like" things to be (the echo chamber, observer bias, emotional addiction, drawing state off the environment , stimulation and titilation...and the mainstream media and group think and modern social conditioning are FULL of it)
and then theres the harsh reality of how things actually are.

you cant run a business or work with horses and not hone your skills and build your social intelligence thru 1000's and 1000's of reference experiences (learning experiences).
you can , maybe for a while, but you will be destroyed if you dont develop real social intelligence and real mindfulness.

the person who just tries to think his way to a solution will remain forever socially naive.

it is totally illogical that a rich, arrogant and ugly man like trump got to be president.
he got there through his superior social intelligence and he got his superior social intelligence thru the 1000's of reference experiences he got grinding it out for years in the harsh reality of business.

the marketplace IS reality
nature IS reality.

leftard intellectuals need to put down the books, jump on a horse(or at least take some sort of action ) and start a business(this is also taking action).  this is the path of the socially intelligent man

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 3:02pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 2:26pm: Gweg thinks the american people are outraged by trumps alleged sexual assaults. No. Greg is outraged that the American people aren't outraged by Trump's self-confessed sexual assaults. Greg is also a little concerned that you spend every day in here defending a self-confessed sexual predator.

thats because you have no idea what goes on in the head of the average voter.

aquascoot wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 3:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 3:02pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 2:26pm: Gweg thinks the american people are outraged by trumps alleged sexual assaults. No. Greg is outraged that the American people aren't outraged by Trump's self-confessed sexual assaults. Greg is also a little concerned that you spend every day in here defending a self-confessed sexual predator. thats because you have no idea what goes on in the head of the average voter.

'average voter'?

The average voter in America didn't want Trump as their President.

73.6 million people voted against him.

aquascoot wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 3:10pm:

thats because you have no idea what goes on in the head of the average voter.

pretty sure he has a fair idea.

nearly 74 million votes against trump

nearly 63 million votes for trump



average voter doesn't want trump :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 3:17pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 3:10pm: thats because you have no idea what goes on in the head of the average voter. pretty sure he has a fair idea. nearly 74 million votes against trump nearly 63 million votes for trump average voter doesn't want trump :D :D :D

Correct.

The electoral college may have wanted him, but the average voter certainly did NOT.

aquasquirt just doesn't seem to get it.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 3:12pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 3:10pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 3:02pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 2:26pm: Gweg thinks the american people are outraged by trumps alleged sexual assaults. No. Greg is outraged that the American people aren't outraged by Trump's self-confessed sexual assaults. Greg is also a little concerned that you spend every day in here defending a self-confessed sexual predator. thats because you have no idea what goes on in the head of the average voter. 'average voter'? The average voter in America didn't want Trump as their President. 73.6 million people voted against him.

but some 60 million just couldnt care less and voted for him and probably another 60 million were so apathetic they couldnt be bothered voting at all.

apathy greg, apathy


the level of apathy is so huge out there, you are literally pissing in the wind.

its why Trump understands his people .

people are like a pyramid greg,

theres 100 million durping around at the bottom and theres a few elite guys at the top.

there is absolutley nothing stopping those guys at the bottom climbing to trumps level, except their own apathy.

its why the rewards at the top are so huge for the few people who climb.

because you dont have to climb nowadays.
you can durp around and you can still pump out a few kids and it is the socialist system that has enabled this.

if we got rid of the socialist system, then the millions of durpers would have to climb or they would be destroyed and if they started to climb they would re engage and they wouldnt be susceptible to a guy like Trump with his tweets.

the only way you lefties can get rid of trump and all the other trumps who are going to come is to awaken the mass of durpers and you cant awaken them because you have put them to sleep with welfare that has made them so dammed apathetic.

let me say it again, the left do not understand the marketplace and they do not have social intelligence...they are trumps best asset. YOU are an asset to trump. you probably appear in one of his ledger entries under asset .

aquascoot wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 3:23pm:

its why Trump understands his people .

They're not his people.

Most voters did NOT want him.

I'm gonna keep repeating this fact, until you understand.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 3:02pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 2:26pm: Gweg thinks the american people are outraged by trumps alleged sexual assaults. No. Greg is outraged that the American people aren't outraged by Trump's self-confessed sexual assaults. Greg is also a little concerned that you spend every day in here defending a self-confessed sexual predator.

You and i both know thats not it.

I posted a story where nearly 500 child sexual predators were caught and 28 children freed from sex slavery, thanks to Trump and his supporters.  Real people, saved from a real life nightmare.

This passed without comment, just as i knew it would. 

... wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 3:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 3:02pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 2:26pm: Gweg thinks the american people are outraged by trumps alleged sexual assaults. No. Greg is outraged that the American people aren't outraged by Trump's self-confessed sexual assaults. Greg is also a little concerned that you spend every day in here defending a self-confessed sexual predator. You and i both know thats not it. I posted a story where nearly 500 child sexual predators were caught and 28 children freed from sex slavery, thanks to Trump and his supporters.  Real people, saved from a real life nightmare. This passed without comment, just as i knew it would.

Fake news, Honky.

That sh!t don't fly here.

"Authorities did not release the names of any of those arrested. No other information about the operation was immediately provided."

Quote:

“Pretending this issue doesn’t exist only makes us more complicit in it,” newly elected San Diego City Attorney Mara Elliott said.

How complicit are you gweggy?

aquascoot wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 3:23pm:

and probably another 60 million were so apathetic they couldnt be bothered voting at all.

that's how much they wanted him .... or not  :D :D :D

... wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 3:37pm:

Quote: “Pretending this issue doesn’t exist only makes us more complicit in it,” newly elected San Diego City Attorney Mara Elliott said. How complicit are you gweggy?

I'm not pretending.

... wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 3:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 3:02pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 2:26pm: Gweg thinks the american people are outraged by trumps alleged sexual assaults. No. Greg is outraged that the American people aren't outraged by Trump's self-confessed sexual assaults. Greg is also a little concerned that you spend every day in here defending a self-confessed sexual predator. You and i both know thats not it. I posted a story where nearly 500 child sexual predators were caught and 28 children freed from sex slavery, thanks to Trump and his supporters.  Real people, saved from a real life nightmare. This passed without comment, just as i knew it would.

GARBAGE.  If that were even remotely true it would have been global news and yet no one has heard a single peep about it.

FAKE NEWS, RETARD!

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 3:54pm:

... wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 3:31pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 3:02pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 2:26pm: Gweg thinks the american people are outraged by trumps alleged sexual assaults. No. Greg is outraged that the American people aren't outraged by Trump's self-confessed sexual assaults. Greg is also a little concerned that you spend every day in here defending a self-confessed sexual predator. You and i both know thats not it. I posted a story where nearly 500 child sexual predators were caught and 28 children freed from sex slavery, thanks to Trump and his supporters.  Real people, saved from a real life nightmare. This passed without comment, just as i knew it would.  GARBAGE.  If that were even remotely true it would have been global news and yet no one has heard a single peep about it. FAKE NEWS, RETARD!

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

http://ktla.com/2017/02/01/474-arrested-28-sexually-exploited-children-rescued-during-statewide-human-trafficking-operation-lasd/

http://abc7.com/news/474-arrested-in-california-human-trafficking-stings/1732137/

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sheriff-474-arrests-in-california-human-trafficking-sting/

Fook you're a joke longy.

... wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 3:31pm:

I posted a story where nearly 500 child sexual predators were caught and 28 children freed from sex slavery, thanks to Trump and his supporters.

No.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 12:50pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 12:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 12:14pm: Yeah, by a tiny whinging minority while the 46 million who voted for him lose out. and the 49 million who voted against him win ...... also known as DEMOCRACY Are we still talking about Trump? If so, approximately 73.6 million people voted against him. Approx. 62.9 million voted for him. A gap of more than 10 million.

Clinton - 65,844,610 votes (48.1%)


Trump- 62,979,636 votes (46.0%)  ::)

... wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 3:54pm: ... wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 3:31pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 3:02pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 2:26pm: Gweg thinks the american people are outraged by trumps alleged sexual assaults. No. Greg is outraged that the American people aren't outraged by Trump's self-confessed sexual assaults. Greg is also a little concerned that you spend every day in here defending a self-confessed sexual predator. You and i both know thats not it. I posted a story where nearly 500 child sexual predators were caught and 28 children freed from sex slavery, thanks to Trump and his supporters.  Real people, saved from a real life nightmare. This passed without comment, just as i knew it would.  GARBAGE.  If that were even remotely true it would have been global news and yet no one has heard a single peep about it. FAKE NEWS, RETARD! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D http://ktla.com/2017/02/01/474-arrested-28-sexually-exploited-children-rescued-during-statewide-human-trafficking-operation-lasd/ http://abc7.com/news/474-arrested-in-california-human-trafficking-stings/1732137/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sheriff-474-arrests-in-california-human-trafficking-sting/ Fook you're a joke longy.

Your claim is that it was 'thanks to Trump and his supporters'.  There is no reference to that or could be.  More likely some of the arrested  are trump supporters.  also it wasnt 474 CHILD sex predators at all. it was largely ADULT predators with a few child predators in the mix.

You don't seem to get too much right.

And still no humility, not that anyone is surprised.

... wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 4:56pm:

And still no humility, not that anyone is surprised.

Gotta be wrong first. We leave that to Trump and his trumpoids like you to provide all that entertainment for us!

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 4:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 12:50pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 12:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 12:14pm: Yeah, by a tiny whinging minority while the 46 million who voted for him lose out. and the 49 million who voted against him win ...... also known as DEMOCRACY Are we still talking about Trump? If so, approximately 73.6 million people voted against him. Approx. 62.9 million voted for him. A gap of more than 10 million. Clinton - 65,844,610 votes (48.1%) Trump- 62,979,636 votes (46.0%)  ::)

They weren't the only two candidates, Homo.

73.6 million people voted against Trump.

i.e. 54%

Still feel like rolling your eyes?

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 5:42pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 4:14pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 12:50pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 12:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 12:14pm: Yeah, by a tiny whinging minority while the 46 million who voted for him lose out. and the 49 million who voted against him win ...... also known as DEMOCRACY Are we still talking about Trump? If so, approximately 73.6 million people voted against him. Approx. 62.9 million voted for him. A gap of more than 10 million. Clinton - 65,844,610 votes (48.1%) Trump- 62,979,636 votes (46.0%)  ::) They weren't the only two candidates, Homo. 73.6 million people voted against Trump. i.e. 54% Still feel like rolling your eyes?

You add the minor parties on to Trump but not Hillary ??? So 71 million voted against Hillary.

I have a feeling you don't believe me, Homo, so I'm posting a link for you.

http://cookpolitical.com/story/10174

You will see that 65.8 million people voted for Clinton and 7.8 million voted for the other candidates (that's right, Homo: Clinton and Trump weren't the only candidates).

Thus, 73.6 million voters cast their votes against Trump.

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 5:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 5:42pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 4:14pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 12:50pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 12:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 12:14pm: Yeah, by a tiny whinging minority while the 46 million who voted for him lose out. and the 49 million who voted against him win ...... also known as DEMOCRACY Are we still talking about Trump? If so, approximately 73.6 million people voted against him. Approx. 62.9 million voted for him. A gap of more than 10 million. Clinton - 65,844,610 votes (48.1%) Trump- 62,979,636 votes (46.0%)  ::) They weren't the only two candidates, Homo. 73.6 million people voted against Trump. i.e. 54% Still feel like rolling your eyes? You add the minor parties on to Trump but not Hillary ??? So 71 million voted against Hillary.

Correct.

Now, is 73.6 more or less than 71?

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 5:55pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 5:52pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 5:42pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 4:14pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 12:50pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 12:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 12:14pm: Yeah, by a tiny whinging minority while the 46 million who voted for him lose out. and the 49 million who voted against him win ...... also known as DEMOCRACY Are we still talking about Trump? If so, approximately 73.6 million people voted against him. Approx. 62.9 million voted for him. A gap of more than 10 million. Clinton - 65,844,610 votes (48.1%) Trump- 62,979,636 votes (46.0%)  ::) They weren't the only two candidates, Homo. 73.6 million people voted against Trump. i.e. 54% Still feel like rolling your eyes? You add the minor parties on to Trump but not Hillary ??? So 71 million voted against Hillary. Correct. Now, is 73.6 more or less than 71?

Don't be sneaky with the figures and I wouldn't have to pull you up on it.

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 5:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 5:55pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 5:52pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 5:42pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 4:14pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 12:50pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 12:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 12:14pm: Yeah, by a tiny whinging minority while the 46 million who voted for him lose out. and the 49 million who voted against him win ...... also known as DEMOCRACY Are we still talking about Trump? If so, approximately 73.6 million people voted against him. Approx. 62.9 million voted for him. A gap of more than 10 million. Clinton - 65,844,610 votes (48.1%) Trump- 62,979,636 votes (46.0%)  ::) They weren't the only two candidates, Homo. 73.6 million people voted against Trump. i.e. 54% Still feel like rolling your eyes? You add the minor parties on to Trump but not Hillary ??? So 71 million voted against Hillary. Correct. Now, is 73.6 more or less than 71? Don't be sneaky with the figures and I wouldn't have to pull you up on it.

I wasn't sneaky at all.

Everything I said was true.

No matter how you present the figures, the American voting public did NOT get the President they wanted.

Stop playing games Hammer. Clinton got more votes than Trump. That is the issue that despite Trumps posturing, remains unassaibaly true.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:02pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 5:59pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 5:55pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 5:52pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 5:42pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 4:14pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 12:50pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 12:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 12:14pm: Yeah, by a tiny whinging minority while the 46 million who voted for him lose out. and the 49 million who voted against him win ...... also known as DEMOCRACY Are we still talking about Trump? If so, approximately 73.6 million people voted against him. Approx. 62.9 million voted for him. A gap of more than 10 million. Clinton - 65,844,610 votes (48.1%) Trump- 62,979,636 votes (46.0%)  ::) They weren't the only two candidates, Homo. 73.6 million people voted against Trump. i.e. 54% Still feel like rolling your eyes? You add the minor parties on to Trump but not Hillary ??? So 71 million voted against Hillary. Correct. Now, is 73.6 more or less than 71? Don't be sneaky with the figures and I wouldn't have to pull you up on it. I wasn't sneaky at all. Everything I said was true. No matter how you present the figures, the American voting public did NOT get the President they wanted.

It's happened before in the US. I don't know you think it's so weird.

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 5:52pm:

You add the minor parties on to Trump but not Hillary ??? So 71 million voted against Hillary.

you were discussing how many voted against trump ... not how many voted for hillary  :D :D :D

..

United States presidential election, 2016






Source:      Wikipedia      
Quote:

The United States presidential election of 2016 was the 58th quadrennial American presidential election, held on Tuesday, November 8, 2016. The Republican ticket of businessman Donald Trump and Indiana Governor Mike Pence defeated the Democratic ticket of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and U.S. Senator from Virginia Tim Kaine. Trump took office as the 45th President, and Pence as the 48th Vice President, on January 20, 2017. Concurrent with the presidential election, Senate, House, and many gubernatorial and state and local elections were also held on November 8. Voters selected members of the Electoral College in each state, in most cases by "winner-takes-all" plurality; those state electors in turn voted for a new president and vice president on December 19, 2016.[a] While Clinton received about 2.9 million more votes nationwide, a margin of 2.1%, or 48% of the total cast, Trump won with 56% of electors in the Electoral College, winning 30 states with 306 pledged electors out of 538. He won the perennial swing states of Florida, Iowa and Ohio, as well as Clinton's "blue wall" states of Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, which had been Democratic strongholds in presidential elections since the 1990s. Leading up to the election, a Trump victory was considered extremely unlikely by most media forecasts. In the Electoral College vote on December 19, seven electors voted against their pledged candidates: two against Trump and five against Clinton. A further three electors attempted to vote against Clinton but were replaced or forced to vote again. Ultimately, Trump received 304 electoral votes and Clinton garnered 227, while Colin Powell won three, and John Kasich, Ron Paul, Bernie Sanders, and Faith Spotted Eagle each received one. Trump is the fifth person in U.S. history to become president despite losing the nationwide popular vote. He is the first president without any prior experience in public service or the military, while Clinton was the first woman to be the presidential nominee of the Democratic Party. This was the first time since the landslide 1984 re-election of Ronald Reagan that Wisconsin voted for the Republican nominee. It was also the first time since the 1828 election, in which Democratic nominee Andrew Jackson won the presidency, that an electoral vote split occurred in Maine.....continued

When do 77 votes mean more that 3 million votes?

When they are Electoral College Votes for President, that's when. ;)



https://s28.postimg.org/wnb7oh3kd/2016_PM.png


United States President Donald J. Trump won the U.S. Presidency by 77 Electoral College votes. http://www.s22.site88.net/smileys/usa-flag-89.gif

..

Q: How many times was a president elected who did not win the popular vote?

A: It has happened five times. 

FULL ANSWER

The 2016 election was the most recent when the candidate who received the greatest number of electoral votes, and thus won the presidency, didn’t win the popular vote. But this scenario has played out in our nation’s history before.

In 1824, John Quincy Adams was elected president despite not winning either the popular vote or the electoral vote. Andrew Jackson was the winner in both categories. Jackson received 38,000 more popular votes than Adams, and beat him in the electoral vote 99 to 84. Despite his victories, Jackson didn’t reach the majority 131 votes needed in the Electoral College to be declared president. In fact, neither candidate did. The decision went to the House of Representatives, which voted Adams into the White House.

In 1876, Rutherford B. Hayes won the election (by a margin of one electoral vote), but he lost the popular vote by more than 250,000 ballots to Samuel J. Tilden.

In 1888, Benjamin Harrison received 233 electoral votes to Grover Cleveland’s 168, winning the presidency. But Harrison lost the popular vote by more than 90,000 votes.

In 2000, George W. Bush was declared the winner of the general election and became the 43rd president, but he didn’t win the popular vote either. Al Gore holds that distinction, garnering about 540,000 more votes than Bush. However, Bush won the electoral vote, 271 to 266.

In 2016, Donald Trump won the electoral vote by 304 to 227 over Hillary Clinton, but Trump lost the popular vote. Clinton received nearly 2.9 million more votes than Trump, according to an analysis by the Associated Press of the certified results in all 50 states and Washington, D.C.

miam

Panther wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:06pm:

.. United States presidential election, 2016 Source:      Wikipedia       Quote: The United States presidential election of 2016 was the 58th quadrennial American presidential election, held on Tuesday, November 8, 2016. The Republican ticket of businessman Donald Trump and Indiana Governor Mike Pence defeated the Democratic ticket of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and U.S. Senator from Virginia Tim Kaine. Trump took office as the 45th President, and Pence as the 48th Vice President, on January 20, 2017. Concurrent with the presidential election, Senate, House, and many gubernatorial and state and local elections were also held on November 8. Voters selected members of the Electoral College in each state, in most cases by "winner-takes-all" plurality; those state electors in turn voted for a new president and vice president on December 19, 2016.[a] While Clinton received about 2.9 million more votes nationwide, a margin of 2.1%, or 48% of the total cast, Trump won with 56% of electors in the Electoral College, winning 30 states with 306 pledged electors out of 538. He won the perennial swing states of Florida, Iowa and Ohio, as well as Clinton's "blue wall" states of Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, which had been Democratic strongholds in presidential elections since the 1990s. Leading up to the election, a Trump victory was considered extremely unlikely by most media forecasts. In the Electoral College vote on December 19, seven electors voted against their pledged candidates: two against Trump and five against Clinton. A further three electors attempted to vote against Clinton but were replaced or forced to vote again. Ultimately, Trump received 304 electoral votes and Clinton garnered 227, while Colin Powell won three, and John Kasich, Ron Paul, Bernie Sanders, and Faith Spotted Eagle each received one. Trump is the fifth person in U.S. history to become president despite losing the nationwide popular vote. He is the first president without any prior experience in public service or the military, while Clinton was the first woman to be the presidential nominee of the Democratic Party. This was the first time since the landslide 1984 re-election of Ronald Reagan that Wisconsin voted for the Republican nominee. It was also the first time since the 1828 election, in which Democratic nominee Andrew Jackson won the presidency, that an electoral vote split occurred in Maine.....continued When do 77 votes mean more that 3 million votes? When they are Electoral College Votes for President, that's when. ;) https://s28.postimg.org/wnb7oh3kd/2016_PM.png United States President Donald J. Trump won the U.S. Presidency by 77 Electoral College votes. http://www.s22.site88.net/smileys/usa-flag-89.gif ..

and the racist n1ggr hater returns.

You are a worthless POS

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:04pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 6:02pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 5:59pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 5:55pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 5:52pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 5:42pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 4:14pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 12:50pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 12:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 12:14pm: Yeah, by a tiny whinging minority while the 46 million who voted for him lose out. and the 49 million who voted against him win ...... also known as DEMOCRACY Are we still talking about Trump? If so, approximately 73.6 million people voted against him. Approx. 62.9 million voted for him. A gap of more than 10 million. Clinton - 65,844,610 votes (48.1%) Trump- 62,979,636 votes (46.0%)  ::) They weren't the only two candidates, Homo. 73.6 million people voted against Trump. i.e. 54% Still feel like rolling your eyes? You add the minor parties on to Trump but not Hillary ??? So 71 million voted against Hillary. Correct. Now, is 73.6 more or less than 71? Don't be sneaky with the figures and I wouldn't have to pull you up on it. I wasn't sneaky at all. Everything I said was true. No matter how you present the figures, the American voting public did NOT get the President they wanted. It's happened before in the US. I don't know you think it's so weird.

I've never said it's weird.

I'm just telling you the facts: they didn't get the President they wanted.

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:07pm:

Q: How many times was a president elected who did not win the popular vote? A: It has happened five times.  FULL ANSWER The 2016 election was the most recent when the candidate who received the greatest number of electoral votes, and thus won the presidency, didn’t win the popular vote. But this scenario has played out in our nation’s history before. In 1824, John Quincy Adams was elected president despite not winning either the popular vote or the electoral vote. Andrew Jackson was the winner in both categories. Jackson received 38,000 more popular votes than Adams, and beat him in the electoral vote 99 to 84. Despite his victories, Jackson didn’t reach the majority 131 votes needed in the Electoral College to be declared president. In fact, neither candidate did. The decision went to the House of Representatives, which voted Adams into the White House. In 1876, Rutherford B. Hayes won the election (by a margin of one electoral vote), but he lost the popular vote by more than 250,000 ballots to Samuel J. Tilden. In 1888, Benjamin Harrison received 233 electoral votes to Grover Cleveland’s 168, winning the presidency. But Harrison lost the popular vote by more than 90,000 votes. In 2000, George W. Bush was declared the winner of the general election and became the 43rd president, but he didn’t win the popular vote either. Al Gore holds that distinction, garnering about 540,000 more votes than Bush. However, Bush won the electoral vote, 271 to 266. In 2016, Donald Trump won the electoral vote by 304 to 227 over Hillary Clinton, but Trump lost the popular vote. Clinton received nearly 2.9 million more votes than Trump, according to an analysis by the Associated Press of the certified results in all 50 states and Washington, D.C.

Yuo dont seem to understand. No one is suggesting he didnt win the election, only that he got FAR fewer votes. And this translates into NO MANDATE of any kind.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:09pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 6:04pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 6:02pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 5:59pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 5:55pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 5:52pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 5:42pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 4:14pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 12:50pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 12:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 12:14pm: Yeah, by a tiny whinging minority while the 46 million who voted for him lose out. and the 49 million who voted against him win ...... also known as DEMOCRACY Are we still talking about Trump? If so, approximately 73.6 million people voted against him. Approx. 62.9 million voted for him. A gap of more than 10 million. Clinton - 65,844,610 votes (48.1%) Trump- 62,979,636 votes (46.0%)  ::) They weren't the only two candidates, Homo. 73.6 million people voted against Trump. i.e. 54% Still feel like rolling your eyes? You add the minor parties on to Trump but not Hillary ??? So 71 million voted against Hillary. Correct. Now, is 73.6 more or less than 71? Don't be sneaky with the figures and I wouldn't have to pull you up on it. I wasn't sneaky at all. Everything I said was true. No matter how you present the figures, the American voting public did NOT get the President they wanted. It's happened before in the US. I don't know you think it's so weird. I've never said it's weird. I'm just telling you the facts: they didn't get the President they wanted.

What's your opinion on Pauline Hanson getting all those votes that election  but no seats because of deals?

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:11pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 6:07pm: Q: How many times was a president elected who did not win the popular vote? A: It has happened five times.  FULL ANSWER The 2016 election was the most recent when the candidate who received the greatest number of electoral votes, and thus won the presidency, didn’t win the popular vote. But this scenario has played out in our nation’s history before. In 1824, John Quincy Adams was elected president despite not winning either the popular vote or the electoral vote. Andrew Jackson was the winner in both categories. Jackson received 38,000 more popular votes than Adams, and beat him in the electoral vote 99 to 84. Despite his victories, Jackson didn’t reach the majority 131 votes needed in the Electoral College to be declared president. In fact, neither candidate did. The decision went to the House of Representatives, which voted Adams into the White House. In 1876, Rutherford B. Hayes won the election (by a margin of one electoral vote), but he lost the popular vote by more than 250,000 ballots to Samuel J. Tilden. In 1888, Benjamin Harrison received 233 electoral votes to Grover Cleveland’s 168, winning the presidency. But Harrison lost the popular vote by more than 90,000 votes. In 2000, George W. Bush was declared the winner of the general election and became the 43rd president, but he didn’t win the popular vote either. Al Gore holds that distinction, garnering about 540,000 more votes than Bush. However, Bush won the electoral vote, 271 to 266. In 2016, Donald Trump won the electoral vote by 304 to 227 over Hillary Clinton, but Trump lost the popular vote. Clinton received nearly 2.9 million more votes than Trump, according to an analysis by the Associated Press of the certified results in all 50 states and Washington, D.C. Yuo dont seem to understand. No one is suggesting he didnt win the election, only that he got FAR fewer votes. And this translates into NO MANDATE of any kind.

I sorry to burst your bubble that you'll just have to come to terms with Trump being president. There's no use whining and whinging over something you can't fix. :)

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 6:09pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 6:04pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 6:02pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 5:59pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 5:55pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 5:52pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 5:42pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 4:14pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 12:50pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 12:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 12:14pm: Yeah, by a tiny whinging minority while the 46 million who voted for him lose out. and the 49 million who voted against him win ...... also known as DEMOCRACY Are we still talking about Trump? If so, approximately 73.6 million people voted against him. Approx. 62.9 million voted for him. A gap of more than 10 million. Clinton - 65,844,610 votes (48.1%) Trump- 62,979,636 votes (46.0%)  ::) They weren't the only two candidates, Homo. 73.6 million people voted against Trump. i.e. 54% Still feel like rolling your eyes? You add the minor parties on to Trump but not Hillary ??? So 71 million voted against Hillary. Correct. Now, is 73.6 more or less than 71? Don't be sneaky with the figures and I wouldn't have to pull you up on it. I wasn't sneaky at all. Everything I said was true. No matter how you present the figures, the American voting public did NOT get the President they wanted. It's happened before in the US. I don't know you think it's so weird. I've never said it's weird. I'm just telling you the facts: they didn't get the President they wanted. What's your opinion on Pauline Hanson getting all those votes that election  but no seats because of deals?

There are no consoltion prizes. You want seats, you have to get actual first-preference votes. Get over it.

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:11pm:

You dont seem to understand. No one is suggesting he didnt win the election, only that he got FAR fewer votes. And this translates into NO MANDATE of any kind.

Correct.

In fact, I was the first to congratulate him on his win.

He won the election, and he's the President.  No argument there at all.

He is NOT, however, the President the voting public wanted.

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:14pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 6:11pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 6:07pm: Q: How many times was a president elected who did not win the popular vote? A: It has happened five times.  FULL ANSWER The 2016 election was the most recent when the candidate who received the greatest number of electoral votes, and thus won the presidency, didn’t win the popular vote. But this scenario has played out in our nation’s history before. In 1824, John Quincy Adams was elected president despite not winning either the popular vote or the electoral vote. Andrew Jackson was the winner in both categories. Jackson received 38,000 more popular votes than Adams, and beat him in the electoral vote 99 to 84. Despite his victories, Jackson didn’t reach the majority 131 votes needed in the Electoral College to be declared president. In fact, neither candidate did. The decision went to the House of Representatives, which voted Adams into the White House. In 1876, Rutherford B. Hayes won the election (by a margin of one electoral vote), but he lost the popular vote by more than 250,000 ballots to Samuel J. Tilden. In 1888, Benjamin Harrison received 233 electoral votes to Grover Cleveland’s 168, winning the presidency. But Harrison lost the popular vote by more than 90,000 votes. In 2000, George W. Bush was declared the winner of the general election and became the 43rd president, but he didn’t win the popular vote either. Al Gore holds that distinction, garnering about 540,000 more votes than Bush. However, Bush won the electoral vote, 271 to 266. In 2016, Donald Trump won the electoral vote by 304 to 227 over Hillary Clinton, but Trump lost the popular vote. Clinton received nearly 2.9 million more votes than Trump, according to an analysis by the Associated Press of the certified results in all 50 states and Washington, D.C. Yuo dont seem to understand. No one is suggesting he didnt win the election, only that he got FAR fewer votes. And this translates into NO MANDATE of any kind. I sorry to burst your bubble that you'll just have to come to terms with Trump being president. There's no use whining and whinging over something you can't fix. :)

Why are you unable to get the point? why can you not accept that trump lost the popular vote by a massive margin? thats all you need to do. Simply accept and actual fact and not resort to conway-esque 'alternative facts'.

It is hardly asking that much. Simple intellectual assent to a undeniable fact.

I suppose you muppets must have been  outraged at this then-


1998 federal election-


One nation 936,621 votes. no seats.

National Party Of Australia 588,088 votes. 16 seats.


You do-gooders would've been cumming in your pants when that happened. Selective outrage!! ::)

miam

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:21pm:

I suppose you muppets must have been  outraged at this then- 1998 federal election- One nation 936,621 votes. no seats. National Party Of Australia 588,088 votes. 16 seats. You do-gooders would've been cumming in your pants when that happened. Selective outrage!! ::)

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Got em!

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:21pm:

I suppose you muppets must have been  outraged at this then- 1998 federal election- One nation 936,621 votes. no seats. National Party Of Australia 588,088 votes. 16 seats. You do-gooders would've been cumming in your pants when that happened. Selective outrage!! ::)

what is selective is your reporting. the Nats stood in 25 seats for their votes while ON stood in 150.

idiot.

... wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:26pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 6:21pm: I suppose you muppets must have been  outraged at this then- 1998 federal election- One nation 936,621 votes. no seats. National Party Of Australia 588,088 votes. 16 seats. You do-gooders would've been cumming in your pants when that happened. Selective outrage!! ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Got em!

cheers. ;D

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:26pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 6:21pm: I suppose you muppets must have been  outraged at this then- 1998 federal election- One nation 936,621 votes. no seats. National Party Of Australia 588,088 votes. 16 seats. You do-gooders would've been cumming in your pants when that happened. Selective outrage!! ::) what is selective is your reporting. the Nats stood in 25 seats for their votes while ON stood in 150. idiot.

miam. ;D

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 6:26pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 6:21pm: I suppose you muppets must have been  outraged at this then- 1998 federal election- One nation 936,621 votes. no seats. National Party Of Australia 588,088 votes. 16 seats. You do-gooders would've been cumming in your pants when that happened. Selective outrage!! ::) what is selective is your reporting. the Nats stood in 25 seats for their votes while ON stood in 150. idiot. miam. ;D

I imagine in your mind that was some amazing comeback. trust me, it only made you look stupid.

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:08pm:

Panther wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 6:06pm: .. United States presidential election, 2016 Source:      Wikipedia       Quote: The United States presidential election of 2016 was the 58th quadrennial American presidential election, held on Tuesday, November 8, 2016. The Republican ticket of businessman Donald Trump and Indiana Governor Mike Pence defeated the Democratic ticket of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and U.S. Senator from Virginia Tim Kaine. Trump took office as the 45th President, and Pence as the 48th Vice President, on January 20, 2017. Concurrent with the presidential election, Senate, House, and many gubernatorial and state and local elections were also held on November 8. Voters selected members of the Electoral College in each state, in most cases by "winner-takes-all" plurality; those state electors in turn voted for a new president and vice president on December 19, 2016.[a] While Clinton received about 2.9 million more votes nationwide, a margin of 2.1%, or 48% of the total cast, Trump won with 56% of electors in the Electoral College, winning 30 states with 306 pledged electors out of 538. He won the perennial swing states of Florida, Iowa and Ohio, as well as Clinton's "blue wall" states of Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, which had been Democratic strongholds in presidential elections since the 1990s. Leading up to the election, a Trump victory was considered extremely unlikely by most media forecasts. In the Electoral College vote on December 19, seven electors voted against their pledged candidates: two against Trump and five against Clinton. A further three electors attempted to vote against Clinton but were replaced or forced to vote again. Ultimately, Trump received 304 electoral votes and Clinton garnered 227, while Colin Powell won three, and John Kasich, Ron Paul, Bernie Sanders, and Faith Spotted Eagle each received one. Trump is the fifth person in U.S. history to become president despite losing the nationwide popular vote. He is the first president without any prior experience in public service or the military, while Clinton was the first woman to be the presidential nominee of the Democratic Party. This was the first time since the landslide 1984 re-election of Ronald Reagan that Wisconsin voted for the Republican nominee. It was also the first time since the 1828 election, in which Democratic nominee Andrew Jackson won the presidency, that an electoral vote split occurred in Maine.....continued When do 77 votes mean more that 3 million votes? When they are Electoral College Votes for President, that's when. ;) https://s28.postimg.org/wnb7oh3kd/2016_PM.png United States President Donald J. Trump won the U.S. Presidency by 77 Electoral College votes. http://www.s22.site88.net/smileys/usa-flag-89.gif .. and the racist n1ggr hater returns. You are a worthless POS

http://www.s22.site88.net/smileys/cray.gif  Awwww, burns yer leftist ass when I present Fact & Truth dunnit!!  http://www.s22.site88.net/smileys/biglaugh023.gif    http://www.s22.site88.net/smileys/SunglassesBubblegum.gif



longweekend58 trying unsuccessfully to cope! ;D

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Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:21pm:

I suppose you muppets must have been  outraged at this then-

Pay attention, Homo.

Nobody is outraged.

Trump won the election, according to the rules.

We all completely accept that fact.

Now you need to accept the fact that he's not the President the American voters wanted.

... wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 6:26pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 6:21pm: I suppose you muppets must have been  outraged at this then- 1998 federal election- One nation 936,621 votes. no seats. National Party Of Australia 588,088 votes. 16 seats. You do-gooders would've been cumming in your pants when that happened. Selective outrage!! ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Got em!

opps, looks like honky cum to soon  :D :D :D

"Washington, D.C. -- Today, Congressman Jerrold Nadler (D-NY), senior Member of the House Judiciary Committee, introduced a Resolution of Inquiry directing the Department of Justice to provide the House of Representatives with any and all information relevant to an inquiry into President Trump and his associates’ conflicts of interest, ethical violations—including the Emoluments Clause—and Russia ties. 

"If the House Judiciary Committee does not schedule the resolution for a Markup within 14 legislative days, it becomes a privileged resolution and can be brought to the floor in front of the full House for a vote."