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General Discussion >> General Board >> Aceh - 339 people caned in 2016 http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1486723197 Message started by Gordon on Feb 10th, 2017 at 8:39pm |
Title: Aceh - 339 people caned in 2016 Post by Gordon on Feb 10th, 2017 at 8:39pm
This is Islam
This is Sharia law Australia needs to ban immigration and deport anyone who wants any aspect of Sharia law. Let them move to Aceh https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/02/08/indonesias-aceh-authorities-lash-hundreds-under-sharia-statutes |
Title: Re: Aceh - 339 people caned in 2016 Post by John Smith on Feb 10th, 2017 at 8:53pm
can we send hammer and make it an even 340?
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Title: Re: Aceh - 339 people caned in 2016 Post by freediver on Feb 11th, 2017 at 7:02am Quote:
Why is it that it seems there is only one video? I think we have a dozen threads on caning in Aceh all showing the one incident. Aceh is where Islam first landed in Indonesia, so it makes sense that it is the most backward and brutal place, even though it was the more peaceful, open minded sufis who first settled there. Aceh is a warning. http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Faith_Ratchet#Aceh The spread of Islam west across North Africa and into Spain, as well as east to Pakistan, closely reflects the 'faith ratchet' presented here. Islam did however spread much further east, and today there are large numbers of Muslims in places like Indonesia and Malaysia. This eastern spread lacks the initial military conquest and 'top down' imposition of Islam that makes the current Western extent of Islam match the original Caliphate so closely. The more recent spread into Southeast Asia may be partly due to a clash of cultures in which Muslims from the west had more advanced technologies - similar to European conquest of the new world, but on a much smaller scale due to the less significant cultural differences. Islam has a much shorter history in the east than it does in the territory captured by the first Caliphate. The spread of Islam without political imposition is not without doctrinal precedent. Muhammed's early career shows his effective promotion of Islam from a very weak political position. During this time Muhammed preached what could (very loosely) be described as pacifism and tolerance. Modern (and historical) Muslims that find themselves as small minorities tend to present this face of Islam. It was not until Muhammed gained unchecked power that the 'rape and pillage' aspects of Islam were revealed. There is clear doctrinal guidance for interpreting the apparent contradiction: the later, more violent aspects 'abrogate' (ie, replace) the earlier more tolerant aspects. Although the illusion of pacifism is shattered by terrorist attacks in the west, modern Muslims spreading Islam in the west employ many of the strategies used in Muhammed's early career, as did those who spread Islam east from Pakistan. Modern Muslims for example manage to claim victimhood status in the west despite the high death toll from their co-religionists. Aceh province in Indonesia is a good example of this process. Aceh was the first place that Muslims settled in South East Asia. Although modern Aceh is associated with violent Islamic separatist movements and one of the most traditional and conservative Islamic societies [28], it was originally settled by Sufi Muslims. Sufism is the 'inner, mystical dimension' of Islam. Sufis are generally regarded as more peaceful and tolerant - almost the 'Hare Krishna' version of Islam (with some notable exceptions [29]). It is ironic then that today, Sufis in Aceh face the dual threat of bans on their schools (and the basis of blasphemy) and terrorist attacks [30]. |
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